Summey plans protest rally
Legislature has 3 days left to pass port overhaul bill
By Schuyler Kropf , Yvonne Wenger
COLUMBIA — North Charleston Mayor Keith Summey is prepared to take lawmakers to court if they send an edict that would cause more railroads to run through his city, and he is planning to rally as many as 500 people to Park Circle tonight in protest.
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North Charleston Mayor Keith Summey
In the session's three remaining days, the Legislature is expected to pass a law to overhaul the governance at the State Ports Authority. The bill, as it's drafted now, also includes a provision that is intended to open up access to the region's two major rail carriers by transferring ownership of a rail line and right of way at the north end of the former Charleston Naval Base.
Summey on Monday repeated his comments that a protracted legal fight would ensue if the Legislature puts that provision into law.
"The city of North Charleston is in this for the marathon," he said. "We're not going to bow down and play like we're the lackey boy."
Ask anyone: The issue carries high stakes for South Carolina's future economic prosperity.
Legislative leaders decided to intervene in affairs when that port's biggest client, Maersk Line, announced that it would do its shipping elsewhere. Shortly afterward, in January, SPA's Chief Executive Officer Bernie Grosecloseclose abruptly resigned. Both developments followed reports that cargo declined by nearly 10 percent last summer. At the same time, business in Savannah was up by an amount about equal to Charleston's loss.
Rep. Jim Merrill, a Daniel Island Republican and former House majority leader, is one of the lawmakers pushing for the legislation to pass.
If you go
North Charleston Mayor Keith Summey and City Council invite residents to a rally at 7 p.m. today to voice concern about the proposed legislation regarding the State Ports Authority and rail lines in the community. The rally will be at Felix C. Davis Community Center at Park Circle, 4800 Park Circle in North Charleston.
"The port is one of the two or three top economic engines in our state," he said. "We've seen a very much disjointed approach to how the port interacts with our businesses, our local communities and our other state economic institutions. We have a window of time when we can fix this."
Merrill said the provision that deals with rail access pertains to a rail line that already is in place and still is used occasionally. He said the state must figure out a way to give both Norfolk Southern and CSX access for all the benefits competition brings while creating better infrastructure to help ease traffic congestion created by trucks that use the port.
Summey contends that the rail provision violates a memorandum of understanding that prohibits trains from going through the northern end of the old Navy base. The mayor is trying to protect the communities where the city is investing in ongoing revitalization efforts.
The bill
Read the full text of Bill 351, (Statehouse web site.
The Statehouse provision calls for the Charleston Naval Complex Redevelopment Authority to transfer the rail line and right of way to S.C. Public Railways, a division of the state Commerce Department, as a way to guarantee dual access.
A similar measure was passed in the state budget, which Gov. Mark Sanford is reviewing. Summey asked Sanford to veto the rail access provision. Sanford is expected to announce his veto decisions today.
Proposed changes
The original intent of the bill was to make changes to the port's governing board. The changes, such as calling for a performance review of the port's chief executive, were seen as safeguards.
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A Norfolk Southern train brings cargo to the State Ports Authority's Columbus Street Terminal.
The House passed a long list of changes to the bill before it was sent back to the Senate. The amendments include adding more education and experience requirements for members of the port's governing board, allowing the governor to appoint members from each Congressional district and seating representatives from the Commerce and Transportation departments on the board.
The bill now calls for the port to sell land it owns on Daniel Island by the end of 2011, or the land would revert to another state holding. If it becomes law, the former landowners on nearby Thomas Island also would have the chance to buy back the land the state paid them to take away for potential port business years ago.
Benefits and consequences
Money from the sale of that land could go to pay for infrastructure improvements in North Charleston, such as overpasses, Merrill said.
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A CSX train sits near the former Navy base.
"The mayor says he wants less traffic so we're trying to figure out a way for rail to come in so there is less traffic," Merrill said.
The bill will be sitting on senators' desks when they return to Columbia today.
Senate Transportation Chairman Larry Grooms, R-Bonneau, said the Senate is trying to craft an amendment to the bill that satisfies legislators in the House and Senate. Given the little time left in the current session, amending the bill rather than sending it to conference negotiations would be the expedient route.
Grooms said his main objective is to stabilize the leadership at the port to give shipping clients confidence.
But Summey said there should be no discussion until the rail provision is removed.
Summey said the memorandum of understanding was ordered by the Legislature and also reviewed by the Budget of Control Board. Merrill said that document was signed by the ports authority, which he contends does not speak for the state. Summey called Merrill's assertion flawed.
The issue is bigger than North Charleston; it's about home-rule and a city's rights, Summey said.
Allyson Bird contributed to this report. Reach Yvonne Wenger at 803-799-9051 or ywenger@postandcourier.com. Reach Schuyler Kropf at 937-5551 or skropf@postandcourier.com.
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sardis12 (anonymous) says...
Bernie Grosecloseclose???
I hereby apply for the job of proof-reader for the Post and Courier. The position is obviously open, since every day I see more and more examples of poor punctuation, spelling and grammar. I edited my high-school newspaper, so I do have experience, and I realize it would be a downward move, but I'm willing to sacrifice for the common good. Obama would be proud...
Its not to hard too fix there problem, so what have they got to loose? Me and them could get 'er done!
Seriously, this is a newspaper, they should do better...
May 19, 2009 at 1:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Citizens of this fine STATE...........
Would you all be so kind as to whip out Google EARTH and review a little geographic History....!?!?!
Lets go back to the "Motherland"....!!!! Can any of you all recount how VALUABLE the RHine River was and IS to the German Economy...!?!?!?!
Well....lets connect some dots.......
Switzerland is...... Greenville
Liechtenstein is ......Spartanburg
Heidelberg/Frankfurt is .....Columbia
Dusseldorf is .......Orangeburg
and Rotterdam is ......NORTH CHARLESTON !!!!!!!!
My BACKSIDE.......we hope that everyone at this PARADE is thoughtful enough to bring some PAMPERS.....!?!?!
We hope that Mark Sanford is looking out for ALL south Carolinians when he focuses on this PAPERWORK....!!!! It looks like Summey is HIGH on Truck Diesel FUMES...!?!?!
Talk about World War III ....!?! Geez..??? We sure are glad that the fine BMW workers in GREER are level headed and know how to see through MAYOR Summey's SMOKE and Mirrors...!?!?!
"Flap-JACK" Summey....do you think you deserve a 10 dollar DESK much less a 50K office Suite...!?!? DO you have any idea how much the "NECK AREA" is PIMPING the rest of the ENTIRE state of South Carolina.....!?!?!?! ALL Because you want to put MORE Trucks on the ROAD burning MORE Foreign Diesel Fuel than needs to be BURNED so we can have our SONS and Daughters galavant off to risk their LIVES ...FOR????? Instead of making LEMONADE with the fine LEMONS you have been bestowed....YOUR off crop dusting fruit FLIES and asking people to walk behind your FOGGER machine....!?!?!
Citizens ...I lived right by Summey on Braddock for years and was never harrassed by a TRAIN....!!!!!!! On the other hand ...if you would like to sit in traffic coming to FOlly on a Saturday or Sunday ......COME ON !! Talk about RoAD rAGE...!!!!!
We want to know where GLENN McConnell is....???? Has he ever grabbed ANYONE's EAR....!?!?! This would be an oppurtune...TIME !!!!! Glenn ...its time to MAN UP and eyeball SUmmey....!!!!
WE ...ARE....FED....UP !!!!!!!!!
May 19, 2009 at 1:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sardis12 (anonymous) says...
Oh, and by the way, I agree with the big man on this one. Hold your ground, Summey. Not that any ground he was standing on would be able to move...
May 19, 2009 at 1:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
karmann (anonymous) says...
How about a rally and lawsuit against CCSD for the poor performing schools in North Charleston? How about rally against over priced furniture in the Mayor's office?
May 19, 2009 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cwmcpa (anonymous) says...
zoomru if you lived on braddock for years and were not harrassed by a train you are either deaf and dumb or a liar. The fact is for years the Cameron terrace, Oak Park communities protested the rail on North Rhett. This rail is about 100 yards from the mayors old residence. I too live in the area and have experienced the huge traffic jams on North Rhett due to a train stopping for 20 to 30 minutes. This does not mention the 30 times the train blows it horn while crossing Rhett. If you want to critisize Summey then do so on the fact his chief of police refuses to enforce the law, due to resources, when a sole train holds up hundreds in traffic because the railroad is slightly ahead or behind its schedule.
May 19, 2009 at 7 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
My favorite is when the train blows its horn 30 times at 4:30 in the frickin' morning! I can't wait for that traffic to increase. And I live even a bit farther from the N. Rhett crossing.
May 19, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
if you don't want the jobs then turn down the federal stimilus money. talking out of both sides of your mouth boss hogg.
May 19, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
adenosinetriphosphate (anonymous) says...
It seems like lots of folks in the Charleston area are hell-bent on running the Port out of town. I guess soon in order to live in the area and be gainfully employed one will have to be retired (having made money elsewhere) or work at a restaurant.
- Exiled away from home due to inability to find a job.
May 19, 2009 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
singleroni --
No one is turning down jobs. For the umpteenth time, the rail line can run through the SOUTH end of the naval base. This would create the desired results without the undesired effects on the revitalized areas of North Charleston.
I do not see why people don't get this. People have worked very hard and many dollars (private and public) have been spent to bring this area "back to life".
And, like has been mentioned, this north end rail line business will adversley affect the rail lines that already run through that area, doubbling or even tripling the rail traffic.
Will anyone ever be able to cross N. Rhett again????? or will it turn into a train parking lot??????
May 19, 2009 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
Also, I don't see where anyone is trying to run the port out of town. I see people trying to compromise in the best interest of all communities. How come no one is giving the representatives and residents of Daniel Island a hard time for not wanting this type of situation in their own back yards?????
May 19, 2009 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
train parking lot? will it not be taking some of the trucks that jam up i26 and 526?
May 19, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
adenosinetriphosphate (anonymous) says...
Conceded. I'm giving Daniel Island a hard time too. Why on earth can't our relatively small community cooperate? It's all this infighting that's running the port (and others) away.
May 19, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
singleroni and adenosinetriphosphate - NOTHING has been said about not having a port or about running the port and it's jobs out of North Charleston. What has been said repeatedly is that the state needs to stick to it's original agreement, the one that spurred all of the growth that has occurred from the Noisette project, and not run rail through the North end of the base. North Charleston is the economic hub of the low country and has no problem staying as such, but if we are going to do that we should at least have some small bit of self determination on how that is going to occur. When the state can break agreements and other regions can request state money for rail lines to be placed in the city of North Charleston something is wrong with that.
zoomru - I am sure that you have a valid point to offer every so often but it is too much of a pain to try and find it in the crazily typed and cryptic writing style that you are so fond of. If you would like your message to be read I would honestly suggest that you try to type normally and stop with the suggestions and innuendo. Just my opinion.
May 19, 2009 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flyingopinion (anonymous) says...
Even though we have had our differences, I support Summey on this one! We moved to Park Circle because of the plans and potential that was outlined for this community. To have the Port Authority renege on their agreement is an outrage. This does affect people's lives! If they want to open the rail lines on the north-end and push this community backwards - then the Port Authority can buy my house and reimburse me for the moving expenses and home improvements! I love the neighborhood - but do temporarily tolerate the 'slums' because they won't last forever - unless you reactivate these trains. Talk about kicking us when we are down. I wish I could be there tonight! Summey has my full support! - Oak Park Resident
May 19, 2009 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jangyang (anonymous) says...
I will not read any comment zoomru makes. What a moron.
"WHAT!!!...WAKE up citizens blah blah blah
MY BACKSIDE..." and so on.
May 19, 2009 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
GUESS THEN THIS MEANS THE END OF LIGHT RAIL COMMUTER TRAINS. - SINCE NC DOESN'T WANT ANY TRAINS RUNNING THROUGH IT
May 19, 2009 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
singleroni can you read? No where has anyone said don't run through North Charleston, including Mayor Summey. What is being said is don't run rail through the North end of the Navy Base, especially since the SPA promised almost a decade ago that they would not do so.
May 19, 2009 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
Singleroni --
Please show me ANY statement in which Summey or anyone who supports him on this issue has made that condemns ALL trains in North Charleston.
Are you being argumentative and ridiculous for kicks and giggles? Or are you truly that thick-headed?
Please read posts from me and justjerry and anyone else from the Park Circle / Montague / Navy Base areas and see that no one is asking that no rail lines run through North Charleston.
The problem that we have is with THIS sepecific proposed legislation that negates a former deal that would forbid such rail lines to run in a very specific area of the city in order to maintain the revitalized integrity of that area.
Please show me where Summey's proposal eliminates or cuts jobs and potential jobs? Please show me where our stance inhibits port traffic in any way shape or form. Please show me something that makes you continue to repeat your so seemingly irrelevant thoughts.
May 19, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flyingopinion (anonymous) says...
People are so short-sighted! North Charleston has been more welcoming for industry, business and development than any other community in the region. We don't have an issue with trains in North Charleston, we don't want them running through a residential neighborhood that needs some revitalization! The Port Authority just needs to keep their word. This issue is bigger than just North Charleston. The Port Authority has been in bad shape for years and now they want to show some initiative! Do we want a rail line that will block 4 major traffic intersections (form the south end) or one that will block over 10 major intersections (from the north end).
May 19, 2009 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
MAYOR Summey.........(and RIley, and Beckmann and ALL mayors for that fact !!!!)
WOW......just how much taxes are you letting BLOW through your fingers TODAY....!?!?!
MY GOD....check out the WIND....!?!?!
We citizens SURE understand the FACT that you would rather look to OUR Property rather than SELLING Electricity to ATLANTA or Charlotte for your TAX Revenue....?!?!?
MAYOR ....SUMMEY, it is HIGH time that you come clean with the TRUTH about the Park Circle .....Fiefdom..!!!! Citizens..just pull up Google Earth and take a freakin' look around for yourself...!!!!! Matter of fact ...I'll pull it up again myself right NOW...let's see !?!
The line crossing N Rhett looks like it Services the HESS terminal for the Most part...!!! ...and I'm sure it services West Vaco too. The lines coming out of the North End of the BASE at the back of Park Circle head straight up past SPAWAR and beyond...!?! Now i'm sure they change the direction around like they want it but the TRACKS a the BACK of Park Circle coming OUT of the North End at the HEss Terminal would minimally impact N. Rhett...!?! If memory serves me correctly ......most of the rail going by when I sit at the tracks are for WEST Vaco and the Hess Terminal.
MAYBE The real stink is from WESTVACO ...NOT ....wanting more cargo coming out of the North END because they do NOT want more CARGO coming by their DIRECTION while trying to move WOOD CHIPS at the SAME time....!?!?! As far as the TRACK coming along North Charlesto High School...lets see...hmm ..... THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NORTH END OF THE BASE !?!?! It looks like it services UNION Pier and the "Promenade" Railyard....!?!?! That is NOT to say that a SPUR could not come off to support the North END..!?!
The whole point of this Eagle eye slueth is to reveal that all this SMOKE and tap DANCE by Summey and Riley and CRDA has cost us ALL dearly...!?! ...STATEWIDE !!!!! Most CARGO will not cross N. Rhett coming out of the North END going to Dubai PORTS in Orangeburg (CLY-burg_) !?!?! It does not take a SHERLOCK to figure that out .....just look for yourself PARK CIRCLE and Cameron Terrace VOTERZ !?!?!
SOme cargo will go South but most will go ....WEST !!!
Citizens.......the FACTS surrounding all ramifications involved and experienced by all PLAYERs with a "Dog" in the fight should be exposed by this PAPER in complete detail with CHARTS and graphs with the VARIOUS developement versions EXPLAINED. At least the citizens of this fine state should know exactly how there TAX Dollars are being leveraged by the Tri-county areas leaders for the benefit of WHOM...!?!?!
Its time for this STATE to move.....!!!!!!
May 19, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beefsaver (anonymous) says...
The every-day comments about Summey's expensive office, CCSD, and NCPD are red herrings to this issue. Believe it or not, Summey has an obligation to his constituency to both encourage growth and temper competing interests. Expanding rail access to the new port in North Charleston is a good idea. Running all this expanded rail traffic through neighborhoods at the North end of the Navy Base, however expedient, is a big problem.
1. It will block Virginia Avenue, cutting off I-526 access to the East end of the town.
2. It will block North Rhett, backing up traffic leaving Park Circle but also (very significantly) traffic leaving I-526.
3. It will block Montague Avenue, cutting off the High School and Olde Village businesses. The real rub here is that people may no longer consider that stretch of businesses a viable alternative for a quick lunch or dinner, which by visual estimation is a major deal for them.
I want the State to thrive, I want the commerce, and I want the jobs to be here. However, the idea of basically erasing the oasis of class that has sprung up in Park Circle among the depressed and dilapidated surroundings breaks my heart. For those of you that haven't witnessed the drastic transformation, you're missing out. For those of you that think the trains won't be a big deal... if they weren't then the port would be a failure. A successful port will move hundreds or thousands of containers a day... at 10mph across our thoroughfares if we leave the plan as-is. Summey feels the same way as we do and is serious about it.
Jim Merrill is at the head of this movement? Really? I'm shocked that DI's representative, so proud of getting this horrible eyesore and traffic disaster off his idyllic island would be so vocal a proponent of doing the same thing to Park Circle. Shocked, I tell you!
May 19, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
WOW....jang ??
....you sure are quick to trash a poster...???? We welcome you though and look forward to your DAILY thoughts....!!! On all topics that impact EVERY South Carolina Citizen and not just a chosen few...!?!
Jang ...we welcome all citizens thoughts....DAILY !!! At least by the time you have posted countless comments in the coming months ....all citizens will have a CLEAR understanding of HOW YOU THINK...!!! Which is not what we are getting WITH ANY of our LOCAL Leaders we elect to OFFICE to represent ....US ..ALL !!!
Jang we hope you understand how PROUD your children will be long after you are DEAD and gone by being able to come back and see for themselves in black and WHIT how involved and concerned you were for their futures...!!!!!
JANG...we welcome you and LOOK FORWARD TO Reading about your SOLUTIONS to problems that effect ALL of us ....not just yourself..!!!
By the WAY .....JANG..!! Have you notice the WIND today...!?! WHY Do we not have Wind turbines harnessing our GOD given WIND ....when in fact we have fine Turbine Workers in greenville building turbines for SHIEKS in what country....!?!?! Is their wind ANY cheaper than OURs....!?!
Jang......download Google Earth and ponder the locations statewide that Wind Turbines SHOULD be installed using PUBLIC Easement that is already set aside....!?!?!
Ask yourself JANG.........why should we RAIL in more COAL from Kinder-Morgan before we harness our states WIND....!?!?!
Just think....JANG ..!
Welcome..!!
May 19, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
Zoomru --
When you write "we welcome you" do you mean all of us on the board? Or you and the voices in your head?
May 19, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ParkCircle4Ever (anonymous) says...
PS Zoomru, the line that crosses North Rhett links directly to the crossing at Virginia avenue, that then links to the North End of the base (as well as over to WestVaco and Hess.) But thanks for your ever-impressive use of dramatic typing.
Oh and you lived on Braddock and never heard a train- MY BACKSIDE!!!!!
May 19, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Numba10 (anonymous) says...
there is no rail line running out of the south end of the old navy base-review mapquest
May 19, 2009 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
LOL.....LOL !!!
Yes, I heard plenty of trains. It just never bothered me that much because I grew up with them too..!?!
I bought my house their knowing about the track situation and didn't think twice.
The real JEWEL about this area is the PROXIMITY to everything.......!!!!!
Not only that........one needs to consider that BUY low ...buy LOWER...and then sell HIGH mentality with ANY development unknowingly PLANNED and STAGED for this area .....long term.!! Get out google EARTH and soar like an EAGLE and ponder the uniqueness of this LOCALE...???
Hmm.....?? If you review other cities historical transformations; WHAT was the OUTCOME..!?!
Think citizens...!?
Halfsheli.....yes there are plenty of "Ghosts in the MACHINE" ...so to speak.!? Considering that we select few citizens understand the VALUE of certain comment sections in the POST....I consider us a TEAM..!? I truly believe that if Martin Luther King were alive in the flesh today that he would NOT waste time and precious fossil fuels to attend this RALLY tonight...BUT ..instead focus 50 or 500 or 50,OOO concerned citizens on the very comment sections of EVERY newspaper in the STATE...!!!! Do you not think that it is rather dis-concerning that if SO MANY residents of N. Charleston are SO concerned about BIG RAIL that they do NOT understand the VALUE of letting their VOTE be heard in BLACK and WHITE in the very comment section of their LOACL newspaper....!?!? Maybe it is rather a sign of just how terrible our LOCAL newspaper is doing in alerting the PUBLIC to issues that have drastic impact on our very STATEWIDE Economy...!? !?! Who benefits from this lack of public AWARENESS....???? Hmmm...???
I appreciate EVERYONE's VOTE (opinion) by commenting here......do we even know if MAYOR Summey does or Mayor Riley does...or Charles ROwe....or Mark Sanford.....or the ILA wives...!?! I would much rather VOTE every day than WAIT every election cycle...!?! What impact would just 5000 citizen's comments have on a single article in one LOCAL newspaper......!?!?!?!
Halfsheli.........its going to be great to be a PART of...!!! Talk about total .....transparency...and openness...!!!!
Halfsheli.....you do realize that you are part of a TEAM here in the comment section whether you agree with me on EVERY subject or not..!?!
I know we CAN agree that we have WIND energy....!!!
...we can agree that OUR trash is ENERGY that should be harnessed instead of building Mega-dumps..RIght??
we CAN AGREE that the PORT of Charleston has statewide ECONOMIC ramifications for all citizens ...statewide..!?
Let's go ....TEAM !!!!
Hmm......???
May 19, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Numba10 (anonymous) says...
we can have wind energy by using a resourse the state already has for energy production---put windmills on Lakes Marion and Moultrie----the legs in the water will provide fish habitat
May 19, 2009 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
NUMBA....10
Keep that BRAIN working.......
when you walk outside and feel the breeze or See the westvaco FLAG....remember....WHO is not leading the efforts to harness OUR state's ENERGY...!!?!? They are faces on both sides of the aisle....!!!! NO ONE even mentions our local ENERGY that the good LORD has blessed US with....!?!?
Wind is CHEAPER to mine than COAL ...and safer for workers too..??? The "BTU's" are not equal but like a good STOCK plan....."NEVER put your EGGS in one BASKET!"
We feel certain that an Integrated and Efficient ENERGY harnessing layout for the ENTIRE state would do WONDERS for attracting all sorts of businesses with stable ENERGY prices....unlike what happened LAST summer when diesel and fuel and the cost to RAIL coal went through the ROOF...!?!
It effects everything......
School budgets........
health care........
pensions.........
city services........
county services......
......E_V_E_R_Y_T_H_I_N_G !!!!!!!!!
Are we as citizens going to sit back and allow developers and monopolistic lobbyists to bridle US....!?!? Are we going to let ROBERT Byrd impose MORE COAL plants on US rather than support Nuclear workers in Aiken or GE turbine workers in Greenville...!?!?
When ALL citizens realize what is REALLY going on.......LOOK OUT !>?!>? Google EARTH is very revealing and PICTURES ..DON'T ....LIE !!!!!!!!
May 19, 2009 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimjones (anonymous) says...
zoomru, Germany is called the "Fatherland" Russia is the "Motherland".
May 19, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
LOL.....LOL
Yes.....well I obviously DO NOT know everything and NEVER will........
BUT.... (Fist POUNDz !)
...I know the VALUE both countries place on access to WATER via a viable PORT....!!!!! Both "Father" and "Mother" need new pairs of SHOES.....and ENERGY FLOW !!!!!
LOL....
May 19, 2009 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimjones (anonymous) says...
zoomru, you're crazy but I like ya!
May 19, 2009 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
voxpopuli (anonymous) says...
and why does zoom-ru no longer live next to the mayor?
May 19, 2009 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
VOX.....WITH GAS WHAT IT IS .....I WISH I STILL DID !!!
May 19, 2009 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Zoomru,
Please, in all seriousness, stop with the type of posts you've been making.
I honestly wanted to read what you wrote, but your apparent random use of the CAPS LOCK key and very, very odd paragraph structure make it so difficult to read that I, and I suspect many others, just skip over your posts to find someone else's post... that is easily readable.
Just say no to your CAPS LOCK key. Please, give it a try, OK?
May 19, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
I confess that I too skip zoomru's posts because they are difficult to understand and read. The sentence and paragraph work for me. Still, he has a perfect right to write that way.
May 19, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scienceguy (anonymous) says...
Faulkner, e. e. cummings, Pynchon, Marquez, and zoomru are all challenging to read.
May 19, 2009 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Well....(snifle..)
I guess being "special"....DOESn't matter..???
...and here I thought everyone appreciated those "South of the Border" signs so much .........!! Seems to work for Dillon.....??
Oh, well I guess if I can get one more citizen to read all of your posts; instead, then thats all right ....with ME..!!
May 19, 2009 at 7:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
not a big fan of North Chuck...but I think legally, and morally they are correct on this one....SC should STOP thinking they can do as they please on every issue
May 19, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
Sardis,
...what have they got to loose?
Hilarious!!!
May 19, 2009 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
There is an existing railhead on the old base. It runs out through the north end. This provides an immediate link for commerce vital to this area.
You "folks" can argue all you like over asctetics, but restricting economic growth is suicide for the north area.
May 19, 2009 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
rollo - where has anyone said anything about restricting economic growth? The plan to run rail through the North end instead of coming out of the South end is what would restrict any growth due to the extreme damage it would do to the progress that the Noisette project has made for the area. What folks are saying is that it would be better and make far more sense to run rail through the South end of the base, a plan that would minimize the impact on the residents and businesses that are near the base - most of which are at the North end.
May 19, 2009 at 11:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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