Senator lays into Sanford
McConnell says governor is ignoring public interest
By Yvonne Wenger
COLUMBIA — South Carolina's top-ranking lawmaker sent a scathing letter to Gov. Mark Sanford on Thursday, saying that the governor needs to quit chasing political publicity and get down to the business of finding jobs for a state devastated by the recession.
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Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell, R-Charleston, also said the two-term Republican governor has proved to be neither a political reformer nor a statesman who is looking out for the public interest.
The letter was the latest in a war of words between the governor and many of the state's top Republican lawmakers, a war that political observers have warned could tear the party apart.
McConnell blasted the governor.
"Time and again, you have failed to address problems in a constructive manner and proactively work with the Legislature to find solutions," he wrote. "For seven years now, on issue after issue, you have chosen to make headlines rather than to make headway and to create problems rather than to solve them."
McConnell was replying to a May 6 letter that Sanford wrote to him and House Speaker Bobby Harrell, R-Charleston. Sanford told them that last week he signed off on another $20 million loan from the federal government for unemployment benefits.
Sanford press secretary Joel Sawyer said McConnell's letter was hypocritical. McConnell accused the governor of attacking the Legislature in a letter that is an attack on the governor, Sawyer said.
Related documents
Gov. Mark Sanford's May 6 letter to Glenn McConnell
Glenn McConnell's May 14 response
"As Senator McConnell has proven time and time again, he is very skillful about trying to divert people's attention without answering the question at hand," Sawyer said. "(Sanford's) letter was simply asking whether or not they believe we should continue asking for unemployment loans."
Sanford and legislative leaders have been feuding for years, but the situation was exacerbated in recent months with the governor's refusal to draw down federal stimulus money to sustain government services, despite the Legislature's urging.
Sanford wants the money to pay off debt.
Pat Caddell of Hanahan, an expert on public opinion polls and a Democratic strategist, and Clemson University political science professor and Republican political consultant David Woodard both said Thursday that if the Republicans don't watch out, they could end up as South Carolina's minority party.
"You ever see 'Animal House?' You know the food fight in the cafeteria? That's what they remind me of. I just can't figure out which one is John Belushi," Caddell said.
McConnell takes the tray and throws it.
"The public relations war you have been waging against the General Assembly, even with members of your own party who have tried to work with you, is simply not productive," McConnell wrote.
"While the attacks you have launched may have been intended to build your national image as a reformer, in the final analysis, the work of a true reformer is measured not by words or TV ads or by press releases but by what he or she has been able to accomplish."
Sawyer noted that it was McConnell, not Sanford, who made the letters available to The Post and Courier.
"We just chalk it up to more of the same political games from Senator McConnell," Sawyer said. "We would appreciate an actual answer from them at some point."
Caddell said the infighting between Sanford and McConnell, Harrell and lead Senate budget writer Hugh Leatherman, R-Florence, makes the argument for a Democratic alternative.
Perhaps the fight reflects that those in charge do not know what to do about the crisis that faces the state, Caddell said.
"This is how majority parties get overthrown," he said. "In watching Columbia, at the top levels, I see a lack of a sense of urgency. I understand why Michigan is No. 1 in unemployment. Somebody's got to explain to me how South Carolina got to be No. 2, or 3, depending on the month."
Woodard said Sanford and the Legislature are war weary at the end of the session and under enormous pressure. He said the Republicans must be careful not to lose a foothold, but the fight also opens up the door for a new GOP uniter to take the governor's office when Sanford's term is up in January 2011.
"The real losers in a bitter battle like that, that's not partisan, but personal, is the people of the state," Woodard said. "This stalemate and finger-pointing really isn't going to accomplish anything."
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sardis12 (anonymous) says...
Ah, I finally agree with Glenn McConnell on something...
May 15, 2009 at 12:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
surfer (anonymous) says...
Dear Glenn,
I'm sorry you disagree with Mark Sanford. It's his attitude towards frivilous government spending that got him elected. I don't think you or anybody is going to change that.
Sincerely,
Me
P.S. - No you still can't have untold millions for a ridiculously overpriced Hunley shrine disguised as a satellite Clemson campus even though Barack Obama's spendulus plan is doling out humdreds of billions of dollars.
May 15, 2009 at 1:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Creeker01 (anonymous) says...
Where does the Legislature expect to get the funding for their boondoggles next year?
Keep your stand, Mark. Those of us who are tired of the big spending on useless feel-good-learn nothing programs have your back.
May 15, 2009 at 1:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
Rarely do I ever agree with Sen. Glenn McConnell, but I absolutely support him on this. Mark Sanford is a CLOWN and a true embarrassment to this state. For the past 7 years, NOTHING, repeat NOTHING has he accomplished for this state except getting publicity for himself. His spokesperson blames McConnell and everyone except the real culprit, Sanford. If he had done anything for this state, WHY are we No. 2 soon to be No. 1 in UNEMPLOYMENT in the U.S.? WHY are we No. 49 out of the 50 states being at the bottom of education in the country? He FOOLISHLY will NOT accept the stimulus money in education for this state, but the taxpayers will STILL pay when the money is allocated to another state. This CLOWN and an embarrassment to the state only CARES about HIMSELF! He LIES about the future generation to cover up his own hypocrisy while trying to use this for his 2012 presidential primary. He will NOT even win his OWN state in a primary! He talks about the children future by not accepting the education stimulus money, but if your house is burning now Gov., will you REFUSE the Fire Dept. to put it out or return next week? This man is a Multi-Millionaire for those sticking up for him and could careless about you, me, or anyone else in this state for that matter.
May 15, 2009 at 2 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whalernut (anonymous) says...
Mark is smart mayor dont think he is not for a second.
Glenn is correct and it is time for change in columbia.
I think the gov has done a so so job.
We need Jobs
May 15, 2009 at 5:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Yeah even when he was in the federal gov he was out for his own skin. Headlines maker sleeping in his little office, etc, etc. He has done nothing for this state when you get right down to it. But what has McConnell done besides build a civil war memorial and befriend Robert Ford?? I agree with the statement if the repubs are'nt cafre ful they could be the minority party, SOON!
May 15, 2009 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
steve (anonymous) says...
KICK THE BUMS OUT! Every single legislator, the PR Governor! The whole bunch. What a waste of space our State House has become.
If a GOP House, Senate & Governor can't work together instead of acting like a bunch of pre-schoolers fighting over media attention KICK THEM OUT!
May 15, 2009 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
What a sorry bunch of dem-lites in the legislature; they merely tax and spend at a slower rate than the full flavor dems.
May 15, 2009 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
barterman1955 (anonymous) says...
mcconnell tells the media about a letter that he sent and he has the b*lls to say that sanford's all about publicity.i'm not real smart but it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
May 15, 2009 at 6:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JoanneH (anonymous) says...
It is somewhat hypocritical, Glenn, but I agree with you. Unfortunately, Sanford is too far into that climb up Fool's Hill. He won't back down.
To quote my senator, "He's a nutcase." We'd have better luck getting him committed.
May 15, 2009 at 6:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bobielfield (anonymous) says...
IWe totally agree with the comments of STANISH .. this governor gets more and more bizarre as time goes on.. We taxpayers will have paid him just under $ 850,000 for his "service" to this state... talk about a waste of money !! The real reason is he is truly a Libertarian but disguised as a Republican for these many years ... Sanford, right now, is the Democratic Party's greatest asset !!!!
May 15, 2009 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RuleNumberOne (anonymous) says...
In Columbia, people get things done by building relationships. Mark Sanford has failed to understand the basics of How to Win Friends and Influence People. He has never tried to work with anyone, just as he did in Washington. He has failed to understand the plight of the unemployed and our school teachers, many of whom have no contracts for next year. The result is lots of sound bite ideology that people agree with, but NO RESULTS. The state cannot afford to continue grinding to a halt. What a waste, a sad and dismal failure.
May 15, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scottmcx (anonymous) says...
What's wrong with paying off SC debt so we don't pay double interest? We're paying on the current debt and we'll be paying China interst on this "stimulus" money too. PAY ONE OFF, it reduces balance interest. Then, if you need more money, SC's credit rating will be better and we'll be able to borrow at a lower interest rate.
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts most folks against this don't pay off their credit cards every month and pay interest on their balance. Some probably cash advance on one to pay the another.
HOLD THE LINE MARK.
May 15, 2009 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notsosure (anonymous) says...
Sanford is right about this whole matter. You don't get out of debt by borrowing and spending. These people are treating the funds like it's just "free money." It's OUR money. Hard-earned taxpayer money. Sanford is the only fiscally responsible politician we have!
May 15, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
adenosinetriphosphate (anonymous) says...
Sanford: "... the stewards of the Unemployment Trust Fund allowed the fund's balance to decline from $800 million only six years ago to nothing last year while giving virtually no warning to those who should have been alerted - specifically your bodies."
Wow. The Gov. wants to "reform" the unemployment agency (i.e. take control of it) because they didn't warn anyone that unemployment was rising in SC during most of his term. And I guess they should have also predicted the most significant economic crisis since the Great Depression.
McConnell is 100% right.
May 15, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scottmcx (anonymous) says...
Notsosure...the problem is that schools don't teach the cost of "compound interest".
Einstein said, "the most powerful force in the universe is compound interest".
He knew that lenders crush borrowers and make lenders rich.
We, SC and the USA are the borrowers and we're being crushed by the most powerful force in the universe, compound interest.
May 15, 2009 at 7:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
martin (anonymous) says...
"Sanford wants the money to pay off debt." - everytime the press reports this, it needs to point out it is this very ESC debt that Mark is so crazy to pay off - the "debt" he's trying to blackmail the legislature with. He might want to just wait until people stop being laid off at record numbers and know the total amount before he starts worrying about it. Given our crisis, the Feds may even forgive this debt that many states owe in trhe current crisis.
Hey, don't you love how Mark tried to keep this latest application for ESC money secret? It was just December when he was all over the national media saying he wouldn't apply to keep the program funded. That showed the people of SC how he does not care if they feed their children or keep a roof over their heads.
Wow, do you think that may mean Mark might be capable of learning from his mistakes? Too late, buddy.
May 15, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zekemire (anonymous) says...
No, this just shows that those in the legislature who say they are Republican are really just democrats who ran as Republicans just to get elected! Instead of sticking to a conservative agenda, they only want to tax and spend! SANFORD IS THE ONLY ONE HERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA! HE HAS BEEN RIGHT ON EVERY ISSUE THE LAST 6+ YEARS, AND, IF THE NUTS IN THE LEGISLATURE HAD LISTENERS TO HIM AND HAD NOT BEEN SO READY TO SPEND EVERY DOLLAR AVAILABLE AND MORE, WE WOULD NOT BE IN THE FINANCIAL MESS WE ARE!
May 15, 2009 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
SCOTTMCX - What's wrong with paying off SC debt so we don't pay double interest? We're paying on the current debt and we'll be paying China interst on this "stimulus" money too. PAY ONE OFF, it reduces balance interest. Then, if you need more money, SC's credit rating will be better and we'll be able to borrow at a lower interest rate.
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts most folks against this don't pay off their credit cards every month and pay interest on their balance. Some probably cash advance on one to pay the another.
HOLD THE LINE MARK.
The FED is not responsible for SC Debt, why should they pay it off, so they can create another debt. We have losers running our state, THROW THE BUMS OUT, WAKE UP DUMB ASS!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jadedncynical (anonymous) says...
McConnell can point fingers and grandstand all he wants (something about the pot calling the kettle black may be apropos here), but the reality is that he and Harrell have had the power to make this state live within its means and put some money back for this incredibly long rainy day for the past several years. The fact that they've chosen not to do so, at the expense of the citizens of South Carolina, can't be blamed on Sanford. Do I think it's ridiculous that a governor and legislative leaders of the same party can't find some way to work together? Of course. The reality is, though, that collaboration is a two-way street, and all McConnell and Harrell have been trying to do over the past several years is keep Sanford "in his place," i.e., subservient to the all-powerful General Assembly. For a grandstanding McConnell to call Sanford out now, this late in the process, is remarkably hypocritical and borderline asinine. They're all to blame, and South Carolina loses as a result.
May 15, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
"What's wrong with paying off SC debt so we don't pay double interest?"
Sanford shifted the tax burden to the middle class under the guise that it would create jobs while statistics prove that it does otherwise. Mainly because of this shift, we didn't generate enough revenue to provide basic government services causing us to go into debt and now Sanford wants the federal governemnt to pay for his mistakes! Yet, we still are myraid with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country, I guess so much for "trickle down economics". Sanford has done little to nothing to invest into the future of our State as we face a global economy, on the contrary, he has criticised the government when they have done so. Now, Sanford has the opertunity to invest jobs and better the future of this State on taxes we will still have to pay back anyways. Sanford's idiocy stems from the fact that like many of YOU, has HIS IDEOLOGY SO FAR UP HIS BACKSIDE! That he couldn't rationalize a pragamtic thought even if his life depended on it. Now he is putting the livelyhooods of thousands of South Carolinians in jeapardy and FOR WHAT???!!!! HIS SCREWED UP IDEOLOGY!
BTW I like many working class people went to College on money that I didn't have to better myself in the long run. For those of you that already had enough money, it called investing for the future, a concept that Sanford and apparently many of you seem clueless about how it works!
May 15, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Here is a simple concept for many of you idiots!!! People working creates tax revenue, without jobs our tax base is nonexistant either way! Without jobs, most people do not have money to spend?
Oh yeah, right, many of the people that are on this site are retired anyways so this is a nonissue. Right?
May 15, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justlaughin (anonymous) says...
Mark has been "working" to give himself PR. He has aspirations of being president one day. What he doesn't realize is that he has "pizzed" off most of the state. You can't get into the White House (now the Dark Tan House) unless your own state will support you. I will never again vote for Sanford. Glenn is right - he is putting his own PR ahead of the interests of the citizens of S.C.
The stimulus money is meant to help states who are losing tax base during this economic downturn. We will have to repay the money even if we do not receive it. Why not help the education and law enforcement systems and help educate the children and protect the citizens? This seems so elementary to me. If I had a vote, would I have voted to have a stimulus bill at all? No. But I didn't get a vote and it exists. USE the $%%$# thing and quit trying to get free press!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
Sanford is a knucklehead. Theres a difference between ideolgy and realtity. Try looking it up on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology
While its good to have an ideolgy not to spend money "you don't have" the reality is that the stimulus plan has already been passed like it or not. That money is going to get spent by somebody regardless of what has been said about it being earmark for SC only blah, blah.
We just had a story a few months back about how all the SC school buses were falling apart.... and we don't need to spend money on education?
One more question/comment. Earlier posters have made reference to SC being 49th in education. I have heard this before and I'm not impressed with what I've seen from SC scools but I have NOT been able to find any statictics that rank states. Anyone that has a link to a source that ranks states for education, please provide the link in your post.
May 15, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
badplf (anonymous) says...
The Republican Party can self-destruct for all I care - obviously, they (state and national) have a pretty pathetic track record with being in charge.
With the exception of Mark Sanford, the Republican Party no longer represents those of us who believes in limited government, low taxes and individual responsibility.
May 15, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BBBP (anonymous) says...
All Sanford is trying to do is keep us taxpayers from paying more taxes than we should. He wants to pay down the debt. These idiotic SC statesmen are falling into Obama's trap..straight into Communism and they are too dull to see it. But worse is that if they keep up trying to make Sanford look bad...they are making it easier for the Democrats to get control of SC!!! Harrell and McConnell, I see at least one less vote for YOU this year! Keep it up! You are leading SC down the road of NO RETURN! NO SOVEREIGNTY! Get off your soap boxes and actually WORK for a living! And South Carolinians wonder why we are almost last in everything important to the state. McConnell and Harrell want to see us taxpayers paying more and more taxes! What is with McConnell?..He just closed down his Confederacy store....could that be because people just are not buying? Doesn't that tell him something! Dull! Dull! Dull! You can view Sanford's letter. He is truly making his point clear to them.
May 15, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BBBP (anonymous) says...
You people wanting Spendulous money for education...do you know what you are wanting? Do you understand that the further you get in bed with this present administration..the closer you are to Communism? Do you even realize that by giving control of education over to the federal government you have seen to it that your children are NOT being taught the truth? That the majority of the teaching is leftist? Do you know they are being taught to believe there is global warming caused by CO2 when anyone with half a brain realizes that this is another scheme by the Democrats to steal MORE money from your pockets and have you begging to have the Federal government take care of you? Talking about sucking at the Federal Goverments Teet!! Obama and friends want us all to be slaves to the federal government. Obama is taking over our children and will be indoctrinating them just like Hitler did. Read your history..it does repeat itself...sadly! Socialized medicine does not work..socialism and communism do not work! You lose all your liberties, you become dull and do not want to come up with fresh ideas..new inventions..because you are on the dole...and poor! Poor gets you down...for sure!
If we do not get together and remove the neocon Republicans and the Democrats from office in 2010...we lose our Republic!
May 15, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scottmcx (anonymous) says...
watchdog...why pay it off? to lower the overall cost.
Do you understand what "interest" on a loan is?
THEN, reduce the SC and USA budgets so we don't have to borrow and it doesn't happen again.
May 15, 2009 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
BBBP, I see that they let people at the mental ward play with computers?
May 15, 2009 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PC_Reader (anonymous) says...
Mark Sanford is doing the right thing in that he wants to use the same portion of the stimulus funds to pay off current debt instead of building security huts and having an army of security people at the state house. This I agree with.
Someone mentioned that SC was 49th in education as if it was Sanford's entire fault. LOL, SC has been 49th in the union ever since Moses broke the Ten Commandments. This means SC has been 49th long before Sanford was ever voted in office.
But to get back on topic, I really don't believe that Mark has ever been about PR but to look out for what he believes is the best interest of South Carolinians.
It amazes me that people think it is ok to bail out failed businesses, bad decision making and pay entitlements, in general, to people that just wake up and breathe while doing nothing else. What ever happen to responsibility?
However, since the Feds have spent all and then some, plus IOU's already and we all have to contribute to the big pay back. Mark should take the stimulus, but stick to his guns on what the money should be used for.
Go Mark!
May 15, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
outrage (anonymous) says...
Posted by guidedbystewart-Here is a simple concept for many of you idiots!!! People working creates tax revenue, without jobs our tax base is nonexistant either way! Without jobs, most people do not have money to spend?
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People not working, drain the State with their generous unemployment benefits. Study who qualifies, for how long, and their benefits package! That will make you understand part of SC's woes.
This state main economy is tourism, yet the City does not want cruise ships and Myrtle Beach does not want the bikers! hmm
guidedbystupid- You should not mention Trickle-down/supplyside, or any other kind of economics unless you know what you are talking about. Some people on here know more than you think you know. You have been caught trying to sound smart! Gotcha!
What is "opertunity"? Did you mean opportunity! Who is the IDIOT?
May 15, 2009 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Can anyone tell me why the voters of this State absolutely refuse to vote their local representative out of office? These guys have accomplished pratically nothing positive in the last twenty years yet they keep getting re-elected by landslides! It's always puzzled me.
May 15, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bosco (anonymous) says...
The problem is we need more politicians like Sanford who aren't afraid to make the tough decisions. Both Democrats and Republicans simply are afraid to make the right decisions on spending. We could get more politicians to make the right decisions if we had term limits. Until that happens (and I don't hold out much hope of this happening) the majority of politician's primary goal will be to get reelected which means spending more money to keep people happy in the short term. Sanford is correct on this issue in my opinion and is in line with how he has always voted or governed.
May 15, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Outrage,
So did correcting my spelling give you a woody outrage? So since you are unable to refute my post you attack my spelling, smooth move exlax. Since I am multi tasking and write these threads on the fly I am sure they have grammatical errors, I know, no excuse I should be more thorough on my proofreading, yet spelling not my forte and we all have are weak areas.
Yep, focusing on a tourist economy only helps the coast and not most people in this State. If we had done what NC did 30 years, an area that had similar demographics to us, and invested in our State's education, both post and secondary, we would not be relying on an economy that focuses on tourism and an unsustainable housing boom. The type of economy that is hurt by an economic downturn, but it does not take much of an education to serve food, clean rooms and mow golf courses. Yet, it not too late to start, but with the buffoons in Columbia I doubt that will happen any time soon!
May 15, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
If he was such a stand up guy why does he call himself a Republican? We all know he is a Libertarian......
Not saying they are all that bad except for the whole "do away with public education" thing. I actually agree with a lot of their other ideas.
What I find interesting is all the people jumping on the teabag wagon who do not really know all of the principals behind the "wanna be" third party.
You guys may want to educate yourselves.......they hold some very non-traditional beliefs that may surprise some.
All parties have some good ideas and all parties have some bad ideas.....the goal is to come to meeting of the minds and get the best from all.
May 15, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
~~*** Big Huge Horn SOUNDz !! ( Revelee !! ) **~~
Attention :: "NOW ...Hear THIS ..!!
Citizens of the STATE of South Carolina...WE are NOT DUMB !!
Carefully Re-read this article and all comments above and then sit back and THINK for ...oh ...5 Minutes !! Really get that noodle workin'. Are we as Democrats and Republicans going to TAKE this blatant political STUNT..?? Think...!?! We democrats really appreciate the fact that Glenn McConnell is standing up for ....WHAT ?? Does he not represent Democrats in his district...??? How are we to instill in our young Democrats that you should not spend more than the TAX base allows...!?!? We Democrats understand that our OWN Party Leaders are Nutz and are having "E.F. Hutto" conversations in OPEN forums with concerned citizens instead of Lathering each other in the PRESS to waste precious TREES that it took to publish this NEWS ...CRAP !!
1) We Democrats understand that MARK represents ALL South Carolinians as Governor whether Glenn understands this or NOT..!?! We Democrats do not stand with Mark on certain "boutique" or "SALON" issues but when it comes to Spending like "Drunken SAILORS" ....we appreciate the concerned tone of "Sheriff Andy Taylor" that Mark tries to relate...We Democrats are not OTIS or "10K Summey"....!!!
2) We Republicans understand that Glenn McConnell and Bobby Harrell hold OUR taxpayer "Checkbook" as the Leaderz of the Legislatorz..!! We clearly know just exactly WHO has not looked OUT for ....US !!! Glenn....We want to know WHO wrote this FOR you while you were ....WHERE..!?! Did you go with Mark to the "Das Moderlund" and enjoy "Stuttgarter Hoffbrau"...!?!?! What team work have you and Bobby ...displayed with Grooms or Haley...!?!?! Heck....have you been handing out blanketz...at ALL .!?! WITH ...WHO ??
Citizens.......all of US ...!!! Are we going to take this type of "Mamba juice " ...ANY LONGER....!?!?!
Glenn....
1) What Steel Mill is doing WHAT..!?!
2) What Port tenant is doing ..WHAT !?!
3) What Turbine manufacturer is Not putting UP turbines ALL over OUR state...!?!
4) What are the Peeler tri-fecta doing ALL over our state's LANDFILLS...!?!
5) WHat is Lonnie Carter and Utility CEO's doing for Nuclear workers the LAST two ....DECADES...!?! You and Bobby have really helped out on PERMITS to support both Democrat and Republican ...Nuclear worker VOTERz..!!!!!
6) What have you and MArk both done with Robert FORD to help SC Farmers produce ALGAE Bio-Diesel for diesel BMW cars being produce right here in OUR state....!?!?!
7) Glenn........we citizens could fill in how many more examples of TEAMWORK issues that YOU have been silent on that benefit ALL South Carolinans......YOU FOOL !!!
Citizens.....get LOUD !!!
"..Itz the South Carolina ENERGY.......BOYz..!!! "
South Carolinians.......UNITE !!!!
May 15, 2009 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
McConnell has accomplished nothing since he has been elected except bankrupting the state. He REFUSED to listen to the governor when times were good and to put away $$ for a rainy day.
HEY SENATOR, NOW IS THE RAINY DAY. WHERE ARE THE FUNDS????
He is a shortsighted weasel that should be removed from office. I will be the first volunteer to help someone defeat him.
May 15, 2009 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GermanyXO (anonymous) says...
Clearly everyone posting hasn't taken some time to read the letters between Sanford and McConnell. Our governor is already signing for a $20 million dollar federal loan each week to pay for food and shelter for unemployed families throughout our entire state. Consider how long he's made sure our state's unemployed population gets what they're entitled to since Sep 2008: that's soon to be 40 weeks. Multiply that figure by $20 million dollars each week and those pushing for Governor Sanford to apply for $700M may begin to realize how a shot of $700M isn't enough to reverse or slow the momentum of economic slowdown that $800M (with more on the way) has been unable to accomplish.
As a former lobbyist in Columbia, I can assure all of you that special interest groups will ensure only a small percentage of the $700M will materialize as benefits for lower income families who've been conned by politicians active in throwing tar and feathers at Governor Sanford.
Just remember one thing: everyone's giving you lip service about the $700M until YOU get YOUR CHECK in the mail.
May 15, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
guided,
"Sanford shifted the tax burden to the middle class under the guise that it would create jobs while statistics prove that it does otherwise. Mainly because of this shift, we didn't generate enough revenue to provide basic government services causing us to go into debt"
You are incorrect. Much Increased revenue was generated each year until this collapse. Each year The legislature spent it and more and would set aside none. Sanford vetoed it saying a rainy day would come. The legislature showed him his place every year with an overide on every veto in less then 2 hours and no discussion.
It would appear that You are using this subject to try and throw fuel on the class envy fire.
May 15, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
WHAT....?????
"..Pat Caddell of Hanahan, an expert on public opinion polls.."?????? ...what..?? (Fist Poundz !!)
"..political consultant David Woodard.." WHO...???
Citizens......where does Charles ROWE dig up these BONEz..!?!
Opinion....polls..!?! Who needz a freakin'...POLL ?? When all you need to do is WALK out side to feel the BREEZE or get on Google Earth and fly like EAGLE for tax revenue...!?!?!
GEEZ...!?!?!
Citizens.....wake UP .!?!?! Take a look at ALL the present and Historical and PRIVATE landfills across OUR state..!?! Take a look at all the POWERLINE, and RAIL and Highway ...EASEMENTS that should be generating ....WHAT !?!?!
~~~...E_N_E_R_G_Y !!!! ....~~~~
Fellow Citizens.....LOOK At all the FARM LAND that could produce ALGAE Bio-Diesel....!?!?! What generates MORE TAXES for the STATE....!?!? FUEL or ....what ??
Citizens....think about Tax free Muni-BONDS that would DO what...!?!?!
We have "Uncle TOMS" looking to DC instead of in the Mirror...!!!!!
WE...ARE....FED...UP !!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CNSYD (anonymous) says...
The US debt to China is so easy to solve. Just remind them of how we (the US) rescued them from the Japs in WWII gratis. So we will just call it even.
May 15, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
harold - play nice! Darling we will get nowhere without finding common ground.
Ditto for guided!
May 15, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PalmettoinTexas (anonymous) says...
The Great Depression was brought about by government policy that made the problem much bigger than when it started. Thats exactly what is happening now. A problem that was created by building up of too much debt will not be solved with creating more debt. Why is that so hard to understand!!!!!
A lot of people who've made stupid decisions are being bailed out by the you and me....well some of us, and I'm tired of paying for others stupidity.
Some of you seem to think that a president and a Congress can deliberately bankrupt this nation thru "Stimulus" bills and force their will on the sovereign states. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
May 15, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
SC Senator ROBERT ..FORD !!!!!
YES....you !!!!
You do remember that yesterday MORNING that MAYOR Summey actually worked the crowd by serving "FLIP-Flop-FLAP Jacks" at Aunt "B"'s between 8 and 10 in the MOrning ...RIGHT..!?!
So ....do you not think that HE would have a great feel for OPINION POLLS...!?!?!
Robert-O FORD......do you NOT think that this is a DIRECT slap in the FACE to MAYOR Summey...!?!?! Our local MAYOR is reportedly trying to do WHAT for the PORT of Charleston...!?!?!
Robert FORD.....do you or TIM Scott know WHO Mayor Summey talked too LAST WEEK in Columbia....!?!?!
MY BACKSIDE.....!??!
Robert FORD...you are a LEADER aren't you..?? Are you going to let Charles ROWE print CRAP for your fellow Democrats to be hoodwinked ....BY !?! SInce you are running for GOvernor...your not going to appreciate the smoke that is BLINDING all South Carolinians...RIGHT !!!???
Robert FORD...........GET LOUD....!!! You can't let Nikki Haley come in here acting like "INEZ Tenenbum" if SHE knows nothing about the amount of Foreign Diesel it takes to RUN our PORT....OUR trash trucks...our SCHOOL Buses...Mayor SUMMEY TRUCKS.......or the 3+ Billion Anchor that is the MRAP chuggin' SPAWAR Command..!!!!!!!!
Robert FORD.........do you need a "POLL Crutch" or do you all ready know that...."Itz the ENERGY, BOYz!!" ???
WE WANT TO KNOW.......ROBERT ?!
May 15, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Mayor RILEY.......WOW !?! Come on boy wonder...! Charles "Charley Brown" Rowe is ignoring the OPINION POLL of what "WATERFRONT Lawyer brigade" that YOU command..!?!
Geez...."Ricky" !?!
"Ricky" RILEY.....you sure have been WHAT !?!
How helpful was MARK Sanford in supporting the Ravenel Bridge ........."Project" ?? ...and you are going to sit back and allow McConnell to divert precious INK away from helping you and Summey do ...WHAT..!?!
Mayor RILEY....how well will ROBERT or Nikki LEAD...US !?!
May 15, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
I didn't think it was worth removing.
May 15, 2009 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Whopper (anonymous) says...
Balance the budget with what the state generates in taxes. If you can't do that McConnell, then it is time for you to go. Stand firm Sanford -- we know you will unlike the usual spineless policians. Don't be fooled people -- we dont need a government that lives beyond its means.
May 15, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bkm (anonymous) says...
I would be curious to know how much of this debt our governor wants to pay off was generated during HIS tenure. I didn't support the stimulus plan when it passed through Congress, but we are now stuck with it, and all of the strings attached to it. We will be paying taxes on this money for the rest of our lives whether we accept it or not. Why should South Carolinians pay taxes on money that is going to help some other state's economy? At this moment, the steel mill in Georgetown is closing, hundreds of teachers may find themselves without jobs next year, yet our pigheaded governor continues to fiddle while Rome burns. Either he is the biggest fool to ever hold the office of governor of SC (and we have had some doozies), or he is nothing more than a self-serving, egomaniacal politician who thinks he can walk into the White House by stepping on the people of South Carolina. Here's hoping he commits an impeachable offense soon (if he hasn't already) so we can put him out of office and our state out of its misery.
May 15, 2009 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
steve (anonymous) says...
Ya get what ya vote for. I think it's time to vote outside the box.
May 15, 2009 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
Thank you Mr. McConnell
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
May 15, 2009 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
monskie52 (anonymous) says...
The one thing that I do have a problem with is paying for something that I never received. I guess it's like UPS dropping off a free gift from Bloomingdales to my neighbors, but I'm being forced to pay the shipping and handling charges. So since you guys seem to think this is all good, then I'll just quit paying my bills and eventually, you paying folks(you all know how they pass these type situations on to the customer) with all this money won't have a problem when you see "your portion due from worldwide delinquency" on your statements that you no doubt pay in full each month. Now certainly this should make you feel good about your childrens future. Governor Sanford "TOMORROW WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF" regardless of whether we're here to witness it. Now don't quote me on that!!!
May 15, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
Mark Sanford is a FRAUD.
Mark Sanford is a CON-ARTIST.
Mark Sanford is PRO-CRIMINAL.
Mark Sanford is a DISGRACE.
AND ...he is a PATHETIC excuse for a governor.
May 15, 2009 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Well.....CITIZENS !!
There is ONE thing that is for SURE today.......Glenn McConnell, Mark Sanford, RObert FORD, Sen Grooms Nikki HAley, AMAZING, MoonPIE, Harold, Zeke, Luna, CRANKY, TC ....and ME have in COMMON...!!!! We ....
1) ....had NO choice at the PUMP between AMERICAN Fuel or Foreign Fuel today.
2) ...had no choice when we flipped on the Lights this Morning between Foreign COAL or SC WIND or Nuclear ...POWER..??
3) .....had NO Choice where OUR trash GOES between a LANDFILL or a PLASMA Converter to produce ENERGY...!?!
4) .....have NO choice in the MIKE ROSE charade concerning school funding..!?! http://www.postandcourier.com/news/20... It is OBVIOUS that SEN GLENN McConnell or Bobby Harrell did NOT put up too much of a fight for ALL school districts to do the SAME...!?! Why does GLENN McConnell treat MIKE ROSE Differently than ...ROBERT FORD or MIKE Fair ....or HARVEY Peeler ...or Nikki Haley when it come to school funding..!?!?!
5) ...have a voting CHOICE between MORE Trucks on our Interstates concerning our PORT or RAIL for CARGO and www.unimodal.com for Passenger and commuter transport...!?!?
Citizens........OUR problem is OUR SELVES..!!!!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GermanyXO (anonymous) says...
ZOOMRU FOR GOVERNOR!
WHO IS WITH ME?
May 15, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsence (anonymous) says...
"clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you."
May 15, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Glenn McConnell ......
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/20...
More LAB Research......!?!?! Research...!?!?!
What kind of CARS should South Carolina be sellin' on the Dealership lots that are CLOSING.....!!!!!!
Are you Sir going to come out in a STATEWIDE address and tell everyone that their TAXES are going up because of the LOSS of revenue at these DEALERSHIPS....!?!?!
You ....COWARD....!!!!!
Oh....you say it is a COUNTY Problem and not yours...!?!
You Idiot !!!!!!!!
Oh ...you say it is a School Board Problem because this property value will obviously go DOWN and the school board will have to go after WHO.......Residential homeowners ...you snooker..!!!!
GLENN... " Itz the ENERGY......bucko !! "
GET BUSY...........!!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
River_Rat (anonymous) says...
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Take a look at the picture of McConnell in this article and tell me what's the first word that comes to mind. I've grown up in this state and have never been a fan of the business as usually good ole boys that look out for themselves and their self-interest over the good of the citizens. I have witnessed this stuff for the past forty years. Operation Lost Trust was just another example of business as usual and McConnell personifies the good ole boy system that does not limit itself to one party in this State. The only thing Sanford is guilty of is not being willing to participate in this perverse game.
May 15, 2009 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
Mark Sanford has plenty of perverse games.
May 15, 2009 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
What's the matter ........
Chip "Camper", Hutto, Scarborough, Beckmann, Darby, Colleen, FORD, Cobb-Hunter, Ravenel, and all other "LEADERz" !!! We see you cowering under your desks......!!! WHAT...you say your NOT and instead....choose to SMILE !!!??
Iz there anything to be SMILIN' ...about !?!?! We would like to know because it is NOT being reported...!?!?! It sure isn't BLOWING in the WIND to generate SC tax Revenue...!!!???
Your SILENCE is not what SC Voterz ....expect..!?! MOONPIE would love to see WHAT you would have to say about this "NEWS" right here in the COMMENT Section..!!!! MajorJohnson would love to "understand" how you think instead of having a press tickler in the occasional OP-ED...!?!
We highly suggest you get off of the Horses your ridin' in the "Lobby Carousel" in Columbia and actually ...."SADDLE UP" for the TAXPAYERS of our ENTIRE state....!?!?!
"What is good for all ..is good for ONE..!!" Should our Government work for the good of ALL instead of "protecting"...ONE.!?! What "Protection " was bestowed MIKE ROSE (or who did what for him in the primary) and NOT the rest of the STATE....!!!!???
If it is GOOD for Dorchester County.....should it not also be good for Hutto and FORD....!?!
MY BACKSIDE....!?!?!
BRAVO...(Clap, Clap, ..CLAP!!) Bravo...GLENN for bestowing such wonderful benefits on all school children statewide....!?!?!
MAYOR Summey ....pick up your freakin' phone and CALL the Honorable Glenn McConnell (to save taxpayers time and gas fuel that it takes you to drive up to Columbia) and tell GLENN to ....."Kiss your FLAP-JACKS...!!!"
WE ARE FED ....UP !!!!!
Glenn.......WE Citizens ARE ...WINNERz !! Whether you want to be or NOT...!!!
Glenn get you backside up to GE.....pronto !!! Get Google Earth OUT and USE the noggin of yours to locate all CELL TOWERS in this state and then call a SUMMIT in your OFFICE.....!!!! MONDAY..Morning..!!!! With ...who?
Lets...GO !!!! The WIND is not blowing NOW but it will LATER today.....!! Will you be PREPARED to harness this ENERGY to shove down Lonnie Cartez ...THROAT !!!!!!
Glenn......by GOD.....MOVE!!!!!
May 15, 2009 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by guidedbystewart on May 15, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"S governemnt to pay for his mistakes! Yet, we still are myraid with one of the highest unemployment rates in the contrary,"
" he has criticised the government when they have done so. Now, Sanford has the opertunity to invest jobs and better"
"BTW I like many working class people went to College"
Brilliant post!
Just what college was that you attended?
Evidently English 101 wasn't a required course.
May 15, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Glenn McConnell.......
do you know how to save this NEWSPAPER...!?!
I DO....!!!
Moonpie...does !!
Majorjohnson...does .!!
Do the fellow Senators in Columbia that you "lead" care about the FINE workers in the BOWELS of PRESS rooms statewide...!?! How much Advertising Revenue will be lost due to these DEALERSHIPS closing...!?! TV ...ADs..??
Uh...oh !?!
We highly suggest you learn to TAP and type......Glenn !!
You have a lot of THOUGHTS that are not being ..published for the PUBLIC to ponder and think about..!?! Just what do you know that we would all LOVE to be taught..!?!
Come on......Legislatorz.....!! You do serve US...!!
So you want to WASTE time with your OWN websites instead of helping promote STATE NEWSPAPERS...!?!
Hmm....!?!? Does this demonstrate.....efficiency.?? Simple voter....interface..?!?
No wonder Voterz...don't CARE !! It might be a reflection of how much you (Legislators) care about the actual voterz of SC..!?!
Citizens.......THINK !!
May 15, 2009 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
Seriously, I think zoomru is the most knowledgeable poster on this sight!
Hard to read? A little until you get into the rhythm. And I get the feeling zoomru is on the inside or at least peeking in the window.
Zoomru for governor!
May 15, 2009 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GG (anonymous) says...
This is why we need term limits for all political offices. All these politicos do is play games for public light; all the while, they get nothing else done but spend our tax dollars.
May 15, 2009 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PalmettoinTexas (anonymous) says...
It's amazing how the posts on this board reflect the same insanity of the rest of the country.....the country chose the clown in the White House based on NOT "what can you do for me" but "what can you give me."
I guess there's no such thing as integrity or pride anymore....gimmee, gimmee, gimmee!!!! You call yourselves AMERICANS!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!! Dont worry, your checks will be in the mailbox the 1st of every month. You should be proud.
May 15, 2009 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
Not sure that is anyone on this sight is saying.
Its more like, "give us, give us" big difference.
May 15, 2009 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
yird, Read my above comment to outrage and the same applies to you. I find it ironic that you would comment about my spelling when I have read several misspellings in your threads. The fact is few of people that posts on this site have error free post, again it another case of lets degrade the person we disagree with and a common tactic of yird the turd!
May 15, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JD_Simms (anonymous) says...
"As a former lobbyist in Columbia, I can assure all of you that special interest groups will ensure only a small percentage of the $700M will materialize as benefits for lower income families who've been conned by politicians active in throwing tar and feathers at Governor Sanford."
If indeed you were REALLY a quote, unquote, "lobbyist" in Columbia, you either a) intentionally spread misinformation (likely) or b) were too lazy to actually read the legislation for which you lobbied for or against (also likely), or c) both (most likely).
The State Fiscal Stabilization Fund Program portion (i.e., for SC, the $700M) of the American Recovery
and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is not about giving any benefits directly to any citizen, regardless of which income bracket they may be in or to any "special interest group".
It simply provides funding for government services (i.e. public education, law enforcement) that are already in place...i.e., no new services/programs. This is in direct contrast to the rest of the $2.8 billion that the governor has already accepted. The ristrictions on what the funding can be used on are fairly rigid, and actually provide the Governor new controls for spending that he doesn't have now (e.g. caps on tuition, etc.).
Now...I don't know about you, but I would think a good portion of teachers in this economy could be considered of "lower income". In that case then it would be only fair to say that this legislation benefits them by allowing a huge number of them to stay employed...to say nothing of the benefit that provides to students.
Look...I'm as angered as the next guy over the whole stimulus package. Sanford was right about trying to block its passage. But unfortunately it is done. It is now law. And no matter how he or anyone else tries to spin the numbers the fact of the matter that there are far more economic and taxpayer benifits to keeping someone on the taxrolls as a taxpayer than there would be from a miniscule decrease in annual debt service requirements. Even then, such a decrease would be only temporary as we'd need to add more to our federal loan for unemployment funding.
So please, at least read about the actual legislation first rather than spouting off about what you
"think" it's about. Here's a link to get you started:
http://www.ed.gov/programs/statestabi...
May 15, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whatelseisthere (anonymous) says...
Who has been there longer? Sanford, Booby Harrell, McConnell, Leatherman...hmmm. Seems to me the problem lies with the people who have been spending the $$$ for 20+ years with no accountability or oversight (except themselves). Not the guy who has been there for 7 years and is trying to make them stop spending $$ they don't have. What came first? Spend, spend, spend with the old timers? Or 'time to save $$' with Sanford. What a no brainer.McConnell, go back to you sub or your mommy. Booby, just GO. And Letherman please shut up!
May 15, 2009 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
guidedbystewart,I read all your posts and as such am well aware that they are primarily comprised of insults and left wing dogma so there isn't much of value to discuss.
As for your pitiful grammar and spelling ability, let me remind you that on more that one occasion you have pointed out your lofty position as an analyst and the fact that you have gone to college and are thus assumed to be far more qualified to offer opinions than those of us less endowed intellectually.
It is you who have "raised the bar".
I'm only trying to encourage you to display the level of intelligence that you claim for yourself, and so frequently insinuate that so many of us rednecks lack.
May 15, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CNSYD (anonymous) says...
I looked up the definition of "phony baloney" and there was a picture of Sanford!
May 15, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutz4seabrook (anonymous) says...
The good Senator is 100%. Stanford grandstands and has accomplished almost nothing. He has done nothing to keep or bring jobs to SC. He likes to talk about cutting taxes, but Sc taxes are already low and what have low taxes got us - underfunded schools, roads that are in disrepair, public universities that have become among the most costly to attend, no jobs...
He goes on national TV and now thinks he is rising politician. Just wait until his record become public. He has no future and we all better off.
May 15, 2009 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheTruthFighter (anonymous) says...
Let's just make this plain and simple, "Impeach the Governor"!
May 15, 2009 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
julie (anonymous) says...
Posted by commonsence:
"clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right"
Congratulations are in order. In 10 words you have precisely described the politics of our great state - and every single Post and Courier comment board.
May 15, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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