As criticism mounts, Sanford not bending
Governor says Legislature responsible for budget woes
COLUMBIA — Gov. Mark Sanford is not going to bend to criticism that he has put political aspirations above the needs of a desperate state by changing his mind about rejecting $700 million in federal stimulus cash.
South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford
The two-term Republican governor is standing firm in the face of mounting pressure that includes a New York Times editorial published Sunday that called Sanford's actions reckless. The governor's controversial stance, which has won him kudos from the country's conservatives, is not the first decision that is not popular with the "left-leaning media" and won't be the last, Sanford press secretary Joel Sawyer said Monday.
The decision, however, also is not popular with the state's Republican legislative leadership and many South Carolinians, who are urging Sanford to accept the money Congress set aside for the state to help balance its budget over the next two years and jump start it out of recession. The governor has until Friday to request the money.
Kate Darby of Mount Pleasant sent out e-mails to hundreds of contacts Monday to try to gather as many people as possible for a rally this afternoon at Brittlebank Park to ask Sanford to take the money.
Darby, who is president of the East Cooper Parent-Teacher Association Council, said she is very concerned about what will happen to Charleston County public schools without the stimulus money. Education needs in South Carolina are desperate, she said.
The fact that the governor is standing by his principles is understandable, but the decision was made in Washington, and taxpayers here will have to pay back the money whether the state spends it or not, she said.
NY Times editorial
Read the New York Times editorial on Gov. Mark Sanford.
"By making that point, he is making his citizens suffer, and that's not what a governor should be doing," said Darby, a self-described independent. "Be principled all day long, but you don't hurt your citizens to do that. When the people speak, I hope he will be listening."
Sawyer said that the governor is open to taking the stimulus dollars so long as the Legislature uses it to pay off debt. Sanford's name is being floated in political circles as a conservative savior for the 2012 presidential race, but the governor has dismissed claims that he is posturing and calls on doubters to research his consistent 15-year track record in politics.
House Speaker Bobby Harrell, R-Charleston, said the governor is signing off on more than $2 billion in stimulus cash that is coming to the state for many different purposes, such as $50.5 million to improve energy efficiency in public buildings and $59 million to make homes better able to withstand the elements. Meanwhile, Sanford is refusing to request the $700 million in budget aid, which is primarily aimed at helping public schools survive the recession.
A Issue Brief
from An brief on the issue of "Increasing Educational Attainment: South Carolina's Best Means to Pay off School Debts" from the Southern Education Foundation. (14 page PDF)
Harrell said given that, Sanford's motives surely are about something other than philosophy and more in line with making national headlines.
Sawyer said Harrell should stop the political attacks and look at the facts. The governor only has power to accept or reject the budget aid and signing off on other funds set aside for South Carolina in the $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is nothing more than procedural.
The governor encourages taxpayers to call their senators and representatives to urge them to work with Sanford in drafting a budget that keeps core government functions intact while spending $350 million each of the next two years to pay down debt, Sawyer said.
The White House twice denied Sanford's request to use the $700 million in state budget aid toward debt. Legislators had intended on relying on a provision in the federal stimulus package to bypass the governor and take the money, but in the past two weeks the provision has been called into question.
If you go
Rallies in Charleston and in Columbia have been planned to urge Gov. Mark Sanford to sign off on $700 million in federal stimulus cash before Friday's deadline:
• A group of concerned residents are gathering for a rally at 12:15 p.m. today at Brittlebank Park across from the Charleston Workforce Center at 176 Lockwood Boulevard.
• The S.C. Progressive Network, a coalition of activists who push for social and economic change, is planning a rally from 5:30 to 6:30 p.m. Wednesday at the Statehouse.
Attorney General Henry McMaster could issue an opinion today that will advise the legislators about whether they can request the money without Sanford and be on sound footing in case the provision is challenged in court.
On Monday, Senate budget writers met into the night to write two versions of the state budget, which will take effect July 1. Senate Finance Chairman Hugh Leatherman, R-Florence, instructed the budget writers to cut $370 million from the House-passed budget, including $161 million from public schools and $44 million from higher education.
Leatherman warned the governor in a two-page letter sent Thursday that rejecting the stimulus money would create "absolute chaos" and harm South Carolina families. He wrote that thousands of teachers and school employees would be laid off and college tuitions would increase by double digits without the cash.
Sanford responded Monday to Leatherman in a four-page letter. The governor wrote, "Both you and I know that it's your committee's very decisions that could have taken our state down a more responsible path in years' past, and this year you could still avoid any and all lost education jobs that you so ominously foretell. It's your pen, not mine, that has in large part brought us to this point today."
If left up to Sanford, the state budget would not have a $700 million hole over the next two years that could only be dealt with by taking the drastic measures Leatherman describes, Sawyer said. The governor would start by going back to his $5.8 billion executive budget that was able to fund base government services responsibly without taking a dollar in stimulus funds.
Senate leader Glenn McConnell, R-Charleston, said the governor's actions are classic Sanford, in the way that he is pushing blame back on the Legislature to deflect criticism that he is mishandling the situation.
"It is a very simple issue to me," McConnell said. "It boils down to plain common sense: We should take whatever money is offered when there are no strings attached because we're stuck with the bill anyway."
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KidYendor (anonymous) says...
Whatever Sanford says should be followed by all of South Carolina's legislators without question. The people support Sanford and his conservative ideals but the politicians support spending until catastrophe results. Politicians feel that not blowing money is wrong and un-American. It is more important to save what is left of our country and our incomes than catering to liberal propaganda via the liberal print and TV media.
March 31, 2009 at 1:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandnateater (anonymous) says...
I support Sanford's decision not to accept this portion of the Stimulus Money. If more people in this country lived within their means and the other half stopped relying on goverment for their livelihood, we would not be in this mess. What Sanford is trying to do is the right thing.....and more people need to start restructuring their home finances just like he is trying to do with state goverment finances. You can't spend your way out of this people....and you goobers who can't keep it straight, investing is not spending. See, if we let the gov't bail us out, we don't have to admit we can't manage our home finances or our state gov't....Give up the house you can't afford and stop making excuses why you suck managing your budget. Keeping up with the Jones's does not work does it?and now all you know is bail me out, bail me out!!!! Man I am so glad when it comes to finances I am old school southern raised.
March 31, 2009 at 4:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
How could anyone not be for education and public safety?
Sanford is a fraud, not to mention, stubborn, aloof, and a blowhard.
March 31, 2009 at 5:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spengler (anonymous) says...
You can't spend your way out of this. After firing the CEO of GM, Fezorama will soon be EVERYONE'S BOSS, no matter what your business, it belongs to him. The Poseur president needs to go back to Kenya.
March 31, 2009 at 5:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HighDef (anonymous) says...
this guy is idiotic, you have the dumbest state in the nation and he wont take the money.
Spengler- 'go back to Kenya" go back to the rock you live under and stay.
March 31, 2009 at 6:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
curiousgeorge (anonymous) says...
DUH! Does anyone remember that SC is already 49th in the country for education? Rejecting this money will just cause further deterioration of our schools. (How do you run a presidential campaign on that?)
March 31, 2009 at 6:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
He'll bend! He is playing hardball but he will eventually take the funds and spend the funds. Wanna bet? He doesn't waste a good national trajedy either, just like his counterparts.
March 31, 2009 at 6:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
hold the ship steady Gov Sanford... we're behind you 100%
this is a pay me now or pay me later scheme that merely prolongs deeper problems, don't fall for it
March 31, 2009 at 6:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scgirlz3 (anonymous) says...
As a native South Carolina girl, I fully support Gov Sanford. More money will not "fix" this problem - the solution is comman sense. Stop throwing money into a broken system and repair it from the inside out. Our teachers need support from families, not the other way around.
March 31, 2009 at 6:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jifdeng3 (anonymous) says...
What you people dont get is that we are goung to have to pay this money through our taxes regardless if we take it or not! So why not take it and use it to improve the schools if were paying it anyway. I understand the position of the gov, and I do agree we need to control spending, however this is money already spent so why not use it for us instead of paying for other states benifit?
March 31, 2009 at 7:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
MARK SANFORD'S HOME MAKES NBC NEW YORK NEWS HEADLINES
"Buy Mark Sanford's House For $3.5 Million"
South Carolina gov stands to reap a huge profit from 1997 investment
South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford belongs to a dying breed.
We're not talking here about fiscally conservative Republicans -- he'll probably have to buckle on spending $700 million from the Feds that he would rather use to pay down the state debt.
No, Sanford is something far more rare and far more precious than the fiscal conservative: he belongs to a species of mammal that once ranged proudly from the desert foothills of the American Southwest to the swamps of Florida. It was known as "the real estate speculator," and for many months their increasingly infrequent sightings have been confined to dollar stores and bankruptcy courts.
But not Governor Sanford! He's alive and doing fine.
He bought a house on Sullivan's Island in 1997 for $482,500 and is now selling it for $3.5 million. Sure, 12 years of ownership and a full renovation make Governor Sanford a little different from your average house-flipper.
Unlike your circa-2006 real estate goon who would take an ugly little stucco ranch, slap some paint on it, install granite countertops and stainless-steel appliances from Home Depot and charge an extra $150,000 to the next sucker who wanted to buy it, Mark Sanford has at least legitimately classed up the joint. Heck, he probably even lived in it, or vacationed in it or whatever.
Speaking of: this 4,500-square-foot palace has a weekly vacation rental license, which means it probably wouldn't even be that hard to pay the mortgage. In the summertime, at least.
And thus we arrive at the solution to all of South Carolina's budget woes: Sanford donates his house to the state for a tidy tax deduction. The state rents the house to wealthy out-of-towners for $500,000 a week. They'll pay off the state debt in no time.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/busine...
March 31, 2009 at 7:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Victor (anonymous) says...
Mark Sanford, signing the bill or not, should be in the hot seat to explain why SC has the top 3 unemployment rate in the country and what has he done so far to help the catastrophe instead of just going public to criticize others. What measurements has he done effectively besides complaining?
March 31, 2009 at 7:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
The Mark Sanford Clown Shows continues. Day after day, we have to see this clown in the headlines. This guy could not run a sub shop or anything else. Who let him run a state? Not me.
March 31, 2009 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
The people supporting Sanford must have been educated in SC. I guess they want to keep the education level in SC right at the bottom. Just do as your told by the Gov, like good old boys. Lets keep the citizens as dumb as possible and then they will never question Mr. Mark. Sanford has no plans to improve education. Infact, he could care less about fixing the schools that they parade on national TV.
March 31, 2009 at 7:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BreezinIAm (anonymous) says...
Too funny. Maybe this report title (from article above) is the Post & Courier's subtle way of saying that we need the money for education:
An brief on the issue of "Increasing Educational Attainment: South Carolina's Best Means to Pay off School Debts" from the Southern Education Foundation.
March 31, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
So many have no shame. What idiot feels that a few million will improve education. So many are so easily bought. So many are paid for and want to stay bought. Pathetic losers. The dem-lites are joining the dems in the state. Their is no rep party in this state; it's an illusion.
March 31, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GOP10 (anonymous) says...
Northeast guy, you have got to be kidding.I see the dumb sheep as being the ones from your region of the country, the very ones who keep voting for Dodd, Frank, Murtha,Schumer, and others who do nothing but tax people to death and then tell them they are representing their interests. It is best for people to look in their own backyards first before casting aspersions on others. Aren't you proud of what the dems are doing in New York?.
March 31, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rx7fury (anonymous) says...
I might not know everything about how things work in the state government, but I thought that the "South Carolina Education Lottery" was suppose to take care of education.....
Stanford for President 2012
March 31, 2009 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SC_Native_ElCid07 (anonymous) says...
Go Sanford! Stand strong!
I realize we may need some things here in this state but we simply DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, what is so hard to understand about that? You can't just fire up the printing presses and "create" money w/ bad consequences.
Why is that such a hard concept?
March 31, 2009 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
Don't allow these freedom grabbing liberals to sway you Governor. By having the ultra-liberal New York Times mention your opinion in an opposing article speaks volumes!
March 31, 2009 at 7:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
GOP10
Why don't you check the unemployment rates in VA, MD, DE, MA PA, VT, ME, etc and compare to S.C. You may also want to compare ave education level of the residents in each state. Also compare ave income in each state. Also compare the ranking of K-12 schools and higher education. I believe SC is last in every category. So, what is your point about the north again, lol
March 31, 2009 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joldham (anonymous) says...
We need to stop seeing this as "FREE" money and stop using it's for "EDUCATION" and "PUBLIC SAFETY" as excuses. THIS IS NOT FREE MONEY!!! The bill will come due in the future and our kids and grand kids will have to pay that bill. We need to buckle down and curb the out of control spending now. We need to stop saying "oh, we'll start spending less after we get this money". START NOW!!!! People today are so caught up in letting the government take care of them they have no desire to work for what they get. If we don't stop this now we will be a third world socialist country before we realize it.
March 31, 2009 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
"DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND" You must be as hard headed as Sanford. He is refusing the money that you will pay back anyway. It's there for the taking, but the King of Clowns is producing his 2012 political ad and you bought into it.
March 31, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ccfirefighterchick (anonymous) says...
On the surface, it sounds like this money would help "fix" problems that we have. But, once you dig into it, you realize that this will only drive us deeper into debt in the long run. The money is to fund programs for two years. After that, it is up to the state to fund the programs. We don't have the money now, and we most likely won't have the money in two years. So, your programs that you people are fighting for are temporary. If the governor doesn't accept the money, he is doing the best thing for his state. If he does and we spend the $350 billion a year for the next two years, the state is responsible for the $350 billion a year after that to keep the state programs. How is it that that can make sense to people? How is it that you can be conned by a president that quickly? Read the bill. Read the consequences to the states in the future. That is why Sanford is against this money. Spending the money on what Obama wants will only hurt the economy right now. Spending is why we are in this mess. Wake up, people!
March 31, 2009 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
Blue Eyes, perhaps you and northeastguy should consider getting together (in New York)!
A match made in liberal hell!
March 31, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Gems0413 (anonymous) says...
OK. I get it. He does not want to take the money. For the love of God Sanford, tell us your plans to help unemployment and the public education system. You keep telling us what you will not do, now tell us what you will do.
March 31, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
IHATEINBEV (anonymous) says...
Keep it up Governor Sanford. You are doing the right thing. Don't take the money. It's not worth it. To anyone who actually believes that we have to have the money for education, you need to call your representative and tell them to stop passing budgets that rely on federal stimulus money. Pass a balanced budget, live within your means, and stop spending money!
March 31, 2009 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
I guess Mark Sanford is very smart, the other 49 must be a bunch of fools. I think not, maybe you need to find out way most Republican gov's are taking ALL the money. Sandford is the King of Clowns is only able to fool the uneducated folks of SC.
March 31, 2009 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogfan (anonymous) says...
South Carolinians are going to be paying the bill for this whether Sanford takes the money or not. If South Carolina does not take the 700m it will go to another state, and we still will be paying for it. The horse has left the barn, the bill passed through congress, the money is allocated. Only an idiot would not take what they are already paying for. I am a conservative republican, but Sanford actions are just plain dumb.
This state's education achievement is awful, how can that blowhard in Columbia refuse dollars to help.
March 31, 2009 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whodey507 (anonymous) says...
Sanford-
It's about time someone took a stand against Hussein and his crazy spending.
Wachovia bank refused to take money from the Government, so why can't a governor. Neither one liked the way the government was telling them how to spend the money, it is their choice. It is clearly evident we are losing our free economy.... Bailouts and printing of more money ONLY delay the inevitable, you simply cannot CONTROL a free economy.
America ranks between 1st and 3rd for the amount that we spend on education per pupil, yet our graduation rates rank us 21st...yeah lets spend more money that no one has right
"Northeast Guy"
YOu are lucky you can talk all the shiznit you want about South Carolina because you are safe behind your computer in some state that has no business worrying about what we do here...does it really affect you that much??? whatever state you live in, it sucks...trust me. I will see you on your next vacation I am sure...helping our economy.
People here realize we have to pay for the money no matter what but with the government printing a trillion dollars and bailing out any and everyone, money has become just another number. I am happy someone is taking a stand just as millions of Americans will do so on Tax day throughout ALL Major cities. Check and see where your tea party is and take a stand too!
http://taxdayteaparty.com/
March 31, 2009 at 8:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Gems0413 (anonymous) says...
How can you guys support this clown who has no plans. Think about it! Where is he going to get the money he needs! That's right you idiots that support him and the innocent will pay 4 times higher taxes next year. He is just waiting to spring this on you. I don't care if you take it or leave it, just give us your plan for the future. Idiots stand behind a political party no matter how dumb the leader is, smart people demand a political platform and a plan for the future.
March 31, 2009 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
After Sanford collects 4% of the vote in the 2012 run, I would sugguest he take a chance with one of these two employers: Barnum & Bailey or Cole Brothers, I hear they are always in need of more clowns.
March 31, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Wel, Well, well.........
Citizens .....obviously there is no pleasing EVERYONE.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT DRIVES US ALL........ its ENERGY !!!
It is what WARS are fought over !!!!
Think citizens......
Most of what these funds will be spent on have absolutely nothing to do with .....ENERGY !!!
How often does ANY politician even mention....anything about energy....????
Roads and bridges and so-called NEW infrastructure still PROMOTE the use of foreign OIL.....
I am for FREE MARKETS, not anti-OIL. Oil and the industrial revolution and sheer will have made this country what it is....! I am against accepting these funds due to the fact that very few dollars will be used in NEW job creation that harnesses NEW technology or much worse lines the pockets of the entrenched corporate foreign OIL interests. I believe in market forces and I would hope that Mr. Sanford would take this opportunity to EDUCATE citizens that it is UP to us and NOT wimps in DC that will bring US all out of this downturn. It is the force of US as consumers to be AWARE of new technology and PROMOTE its use...!! Has Mark or Andre or Henry or Robert or OBAMA, or Graham, or T. Boone, or Bill Gates, or Jane Fonda, or Jesse Jackson, or Summey, or Riley, or the EDITOR of this FINE newspaper ASKED US and informed US about WHAT, WHEN , and HOW we should promote FREEDOM in the ENERGY sector of OUR economy...!!!
The Oil industry along with the military complex of this NATION have had DECADES of monopolistic RULE...!!! As a business owner would smile and say .....its what we go in business to do ....to WIPE OUT the competition. !!! We as consumers MUST realize this and look out for OUR own financial FREEDOM !!! This is WHAT OUR leaders are failing to protect US from...!!!! Who funds the majority of campaigns; either directly or indirectly..??
When OUR leaders DO NOT Harness the ENERGY right here in OUR state FIRST; before importing other ENERGY .......they are setting US all up..!! When you control the flow of OIL or its price....YOU CONTROL THE Countries and STATES that are dependent on OIL !!!! If you do NOT believe this ...then get on Google EARTH and see what is being built in DUBAI...!!!!! Look at WHO is moving there to live....!!!! There is a reason they are building those ISLANDS off the coastline...!?!?!
Will Andre Bauer tell YOU this....???
Will Robert Ford TELL you this...????
Has Mark Sanford..??
Do you know that you have a CHOICE to write-in ZOOMRU in the next election as PROTEST....??? Matter of fact, write in ZOOMRU for every city, county and state election as ...PROTEST !!! Stop and think, how do you show your disgust..!?!?!
We have AMERICAN ...WIND !!
We have American...algae bio-diesel..!!
We have AMERICAN ....PLASMA Converters to CLOSE Landfills and generate ...ENERGY !!!
We have AMERICAN .....technology...!!!
Will WE USE ...IT !!!!????
March 31, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
If you are broke you don't borrow more money. If you have a windfall it makes much more sense to pay down debts rather than spend it on new things. Common sense, the enemy of government.
March 31, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drdora (anonymous) says...
Gov. Sanford,
It is obvious that your constituents want you to take the money. Just do it and let's help get the state back on track. Please...
March 31, 2009 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
As for education spending in S C. We spend about the National average per student on education yet we get the worst education of any State in the Country and most of you want to spend more! That makes a lot of sense and I'm glad ya'll don't do my shopping. For years when S C ran a budget surplus Sanford begged the legislatures to save for a rainy day and they didn't so here we are. Most of you wanting to spend this so called stimulus money didn't do a thing to earn it let alone deserve it! I've never seen so many with hand outstreched wanting to spend money they don't have and didn't earn. We have truely become the Me Me Me generation. It's all about Me! Give Me free education! Give Me free health care! Give Me, give Me, give Me! Most of you would starve to death if forced to survive on your own. If more money is to be spent on education at least hire more armed guards and flack jackets it's the least we can do for the children! Ya'll are brilliant!
March 31, 2009 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whodey507 (anonymous) says...
Crankyyankee....you are spot on with that comment!
March 31, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Hang in the Sanford! There is nothing intelligent or educated about taking money that does not exist! Only those fools that think they are "educated" believe this borrowed money is real, these fools are delusional and desperate and selfish. Don't force this massive debt on our children!
On April 15, be part of the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party rally in your community
http://teapartyday.com/
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/toda...
March 31, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
For those about to type "go back where you came from". I would but I am mentally retarded back there but I'm considered an honor student when compared to the "Natives" what ever a native is? I love you all! you make me laugh (a lot)!
March 31, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
The Mark Sanford freak show continues...
Sanfraud is the Super Freak.
Super freak! Super freak!
Besisides Mark Sanford's favorite "Super Freak", he also likes "Give It to Me Baby" and "Ghetto Life", it spent three weeks at #1 on the American dance charts.
Mark Sanford is also performing the smash hit song "U Can't Touch This"...
Super Freak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrE2c...
March 31, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Speaking of "OUR" children as the left loves to call them, wasnt it the democRATs, that would scream and shout about any republican spending bill that would place a "heavy burden" on our childrer's future. Its ok now to spend their future into oblivion, now that its them doing it I guess.
'Core Beliefs
Republicans believe that each person is responsible for his or her own place in society. Government should enable each person the ability to secure the benefits of society for themselves, their families and for those who are unable to care for themselves. The Republican philosophy is based on limiting the intervention of government as a catalyst of individual prosperity. Government should only intervene in specific cases where society cannot effectively act at the individual level. With the core belief that individual destiny should be in the individual's hands, governmental power and resources should be kept close to the people, through their state and community leaders, and not centralized in distant federal government agencies.
Democrats believe it is the responsibility of government to care for all individuals, even if it means giving up some individual rights and/or subordinating enterprise and initiative. Democrat Party administrations have pushed for the centralization of power in Washington D.C., with only secondary consideration for the rights of both individuals and communities. Democrats have favored federal-level interventions that replace community-based solutions to community problems. These tactics have created several federal regulations and controls that are often in the hands of unelected bureaucrats, causing a severe erosion of local authority.'
The Economy
Republicans believe free enterprise has brought economic growth and innovations that have made this country great. Government should help stimulate a business environment where people are free to use their talents.
Democrats believe that the economy is too complicated for individuals to navigate alone. They believe that business decisions should be guided by government officials and in the best interest of labor unions.
Taxes and Government Spending
Republicans work tirelessly to cut government spending and to eliminate government waste. Republicans believe individuals should control both their own and their government's pocketbook the people should authorize all tax increases.
Democrats believe that government knows what is best for individuals. They argue that federal bureaucrats better understand the needs of a community than a locally elected council and the federal government should define the tax burden necessary to meet its obligations, because this is too complicated for individuals to understand.
http://www.svgop.com/files/Difference...
March 31, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
humane_human (anonymous) says...
clearly a political stunt!!! read my lips...this will make sanford look like a moron in the long run, dashing his delusional hopes for 2012.
the real question is, what DOES sanford plan to do once he's done saying no?
regardless of one's political affiliation, it's hard to argue that sc's education and employment situation don't need to be rectified...how about a couple of alternatives rather than all of this grandstanding!!!
March 31, 2009 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whodey507 (anonymous) says...
Amazing...your "chants" of super freak and u can't touch this prove all too much about your intelligence.
I see MC Hammer (U Can't Touch this) selling his "Gold for Cash" Why??? Because Gold = Cash. Printing money that doesn't exist does not equal Cash
March 31, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
badplf (anonymous) says...
absolutely right. according to national education association's own website, SC spends above the national average in all categories of education (and has for some time) and consistently ranks at the bottom of the list.
so how is throwing more money at government schools going to help education? it's not. it's going to help teacher unions, not kids.
school choice/voucher programs will help kids and improve education.
new york times - reckless? racking up trillions of dollars of debt that our uneducated kids will be saddled with is reckless.
bobby harrell - sanford's action are not about philosophy, they're about future ambition? what are your actions about? surely, you're not going to run for governor sometime in the future are you? it's irresponsible politicians like harrell that got SC in the mess it's in, not sanford.
March 31, 2009 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dawhetsell (anonymous) says...
I wish some one could explain hor the $700 million Sanford is not getting will create one job? They say it is going to education. We are last in education and money has not solved that problem yet. Most of the stinulus money is for raises in social program benefits. Only about 20% is for construction. If you go to the different jobsin building and road construction ,the workers are illegal aliens. These businesses can pay them $10.00 per hour with no deductions( no unemployment, withholding, workers comp.). The contractors make huge profits and make large payoffs to the Legislators reelection fund. You can not spend your way out of debt, if you could they would give everyone a credit card with no limits. They give you people billions in stimulus(crumbs) and give their buddies Trillions of dollars. Who is getting jobs? Who is really getting money? Who thinks this spending our way out of debt will really work? Vote your selves into SLAVERY.
March 31, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Why don't Democrats use the term "mortgaging our children's future" any more?
March 31, 2009 at 8:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Posted by crankyyankee on March 31, 2009 at 8:15 a.m - good post!
Posted by whodey507 on March 31, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Amazing...your "chants" of super freak and u can't touch this prove all too much about your intelligence.
I see MC Hammer (U Can't Touch this) selling his "Gold for Cash" Why??? Because Gold = Cash. Printing money that doesn't exist does not equal Cash'
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Another great point!
March 31, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oceanlover (anonymous) says...
You moronic Sanford cheerleaders seem to be forgetting that we are paying for this stimulus money in the form of Federal taxes whether the state actually gets to use it or not. So instead of having that money go to, say, helping fix our woefully inadequate, 3rd world, banana republic schools, it will go to wonderfully forward thinking states like Alabama and Mississippi. Sanford is the worst kind of craven posturer. Posturing for some supposed moral high ground while his state wallows near the bottom of the barrel on nearly every important measure of civilization. Congrats Mark, you're just the kind of forward thinker the south needs to rise again.
March 31, 2009 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
Facebook event page for today's rally in Charleston, starting at 12:15 in Brittlebank Park. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid...
We'll have video and still images on that page after the event.
March 31, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
The Mark Sanford freak show is now showing in town, it will have an exhibition of rarities, "freaks of nature" and performances that are expected to be shocking to the viewers. Mark Sanford as the ring master will have heavily tattooed and pierced people as part of this fabulous freak show, as well as fire-eating and sword-swallowing acts.
Also, featured will be two-headed cows, one-eyed pigs, and four-horned goats and the famous hoaxes of "science gone wrong" exhibits.
Hurry, buy your tickets now for the "Mark Sanford Freak Show", the Circus is in town.
March 31, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
Oceanlover - well said,
This is no more than a political ad for the King of Clowns.
This is the real deal.
If someone tells you that you will pay for a $30,000 car and you have two coices, keep the car or give it to some guy in N.J., but either way you will make the payments. Mark Sanford says give the car to the guy in NJ.
March 31, 2009 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southerngrace (anonymous) says...
Stand your ground Gov. Sanford...these people that think it is free money are crazy!!!!
March 31, 2009 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
northeastguy, "You may also want to compare ave education level of the residents in each state."
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Oh yeah, you northeastern folks are so educated, oh,oh, and sophisticated to!!
That's why you keep reelecting crud like Kennedy, Frank, Dodd, DeLauro Leahy, Biden, Schumer, and Sanders (socialist party) to name just a few of the rogues, many who have made substantial fortunes as career politicians because their particular electorate have been too stupid to see what's happening.
It's still going on. There are more career politicians from the northeast than any other area of the country.
All they have to do is encourage some number cruncher to do a poll showing how educated "THE CHILDREN" are and it convinces these sheep to pay more taxes without a hint of displeasure.
In fact the whole northeast seems to run on poll or survey ratings which tells me that the folks there have lost the ability to think for themselves.
Politicians and pollsters backing surveys telling people they're smart are not going to be too scrutinized for accuracy by those being pandered to.
This results in all these real smart people voting for other real smart people who are the driving force behind making us the number one debtor nation of the world.
And these mentally deficient slugs have the audacity to question governor Sanford's fiscal policies?
If there were more like him and a helluva lot less of these progressive (read screw the children and grandchildren, I got mine) parasites this country would not be in the sorry shape it is today.
Damn idiots!
March 31, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
"Stand your ground"
Let the people of SC pay to give other states money.
Sanford follers are like cattle being led to the edge of the cliff. No wonder yankees laugh at you all.
March 31, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
papalila (anonymous) says...
If Mr Sanford is so fiscally principled, then why is SC in debt? Seems to me we should be leading the nation in economic prosperity...but now we have to use stimulus money to pay the debts Sanford incurred. Oh, I forgot, it's the fault of our elected legislature. Sorry Mr Sanford, your meager military service should remind you that when your in charge...you take the blame. Taking care of your constituents is the number one priority. Our education system and infrastructure will suffer tremendously because of your selfish, politically dreams. Isn't the name of your plantation La-La Land?
March 31, 2009 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Obdewlla_X (anonymous) says...
The Governor is correct in that unlimited deficit spending by the gov't. can have dire consequences later in the form of inflation, and this 'money' will have to be repaid one way or another. But I think the Guv'nor is being penny wise and pound foolish in this case by placing fiscal ideology before practical concerns in the current fiscal disaster.
I recently heard a nationally known financial advisor lecturing that individiuals in this economic climate should make only minimum debt payments and use their remaining financial assets to take care of monthly bills, and even save a bit!
Gub'ment finance is a different animal than personal finance, and there is a place there for limited deficit spending to get through the crisis. We need to limit our "new" debt, but we have dire needs in the community, e.g. education and health care for citizens, that need help now.
The Gub'nor and the Legislature both need to get off their bully pulpits, and start working together to serve the dire needs of We the Peeps! Then they can start to work on a plan to right the state's financial ship, which was in trouble even before this national mess took over everyone's attention.
March 31, 2009 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Posted by Oceanlover on March 31, 2009 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You moronic Sanford cheerleaders seem to be forgetting that we are paying for this stimulus money in the form of Federal taxes..."
No, it would appear as though you and the rest the me, me, me, crowd are the morons.
WE will not be paying for this pork-us-all play money, future americans will, if you have kids, look them in the eyes and say THANKS! Have fun working your butts off to pay the Chinese back for our selfishness!
IT IS BORROWED MONEY!
On April 15, be part of the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party rally in your community
http://teapartyday.com/
March 31, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
So the soul reason most of you have for spending the stimulus money is "we need to spend it before someone else does"? Brilliant!
March 31, 2009 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
The hard headed Sanford supporters should have got a real education and then maybe, just maybe they would understand what a Clown Sandford is why the rest of America laughs at him. Nine out of 10 republicans think he is dumb to not take the money he will pay back. What don't you Sanford cattle understand?
March 31, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
humane_human (anonymous) says...
it's ironic to me that republicans are now lauding their methods, when it was 8 years of dubya that got us into this mess. the revisionist history is ridiculous.
March 31, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsence (anonymous) says...
Sanford's letter says it all. This is about blaming the Legislature for creating the problem and not about finding solutions to today's problem. If it looks and smells like posturing for the future, it most likely is.
March 31, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
northeastgay forgot to mention RI which, like MI and and OH have the highest unemployment. Convenient, overeducated, overpaid limosine liberal. Look in the mirror--you are the real clown. Now go spend your social security to improve SC's economy. Just like the stimulus, something to spend that you didn't earn.
March 31, 2009 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
northeastguy, what is a 'follers'?
The real cattle or in this case sheep being led to the edge of the cliff are the lemmings that follow the mentality that somehow spending other people's money and placing future Americans in debt and servitude, is the right thing to do.
Any fool, including you, could look at any major NE major city and see the crime, run down public housing, homeless in the streets, massive drug abuse and mindless self indulgence and think they (the fools) are far more intellectual and moralistic than the poor, ignorant folks living in SC.
How do such highly educated sheep in the North East convince themselves they are so superior?
Is it their collective self-deluded belief they have indeed reached leftist UTOPIA?
March 31, 2009 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
Posted by crankyyankee on March 31, 2009 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So the soul reason most of you have for spending the stimulus money is "we need to spend it before someone else does"? Brilliant!'
Cranky, seems to be the same rational that a 7 year old would use '..well he got his where is mine...'
humane_human - 8 years of Bush, is BS, weak minded and disingenuous. Bush didnt get us here all by himself.
Its time to stop the leftist rant "8 years of Bush" crap, it took much more than one man to cause this financial meltdown, which started with easy to get home loans. I wont waste my time showing you. But if you insist, I will give you the sources to educate your self past your obvious left-wing/MSNBC talking point mindset.
March 31, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
On April 15, be part of the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party rally in your community
http://teapartyday.com/
Why don't Democrats use the term "mortgaging our children's future" any more?
March 31, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
june (anonymous) says...
I recommend that Gov. Sanford take the stimulus pay and divide among
each SC tax payers to update their energy costing appliances, air conditioner systems and homes that need repairs.
what is left over it goes to education system and healthcare programs.
Smart thinking,Friday is the deadline to accept. Refused the tax payers have to
repay for money refused by our govenor. Our state deserves to served better. I do not like to pay for
goods that I do not get. I don't think that Gov. Sanford does either!
March 31, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AMAZING (anonymous) says...
Look at what Sanfraud is doing, NOT what he is saying.
1. Sanfraud is selling his HOME.
2. His brother(John Sanford's) company Wilson Brothers USA went belly up and investors and creditors lost millions of which Markie Mark Sanford and his family was a major shareholder.
3. Markie Mark's brother-in-law(William Rauch) former Mayor of Beaufort recently settled insider trading charges with the SEC on a little boitech penny stock. BTW, Billy Boy Brother-in-law sold his Mansion on the point in Beaufort and has moved out of the state.
4. John Sanford has a problem showing up for court in Beaufort County and is racking up judgements from his business dealings in which he literally bet his portion of the family farm.
Now, guess what? Markie Mark wants to tell everyone else how to handle their finances. FREAKING AMAZING!
March 31, 2009 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GOP10 (anonymous) says...
Hey Northeast guy, If where you are from is great and wonderful, why is it that I keep seeing more amd more of you move down here? Hmmmm, let's see..taxes, corrupt leaders and politicians. I will take our governor over your subservient dem party hacks anyday.
March 31, 2009 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newsreader74 (anonymous) says...
For all the people calling for Gov. Sanford to 'use the money', please note two things. First, this isn't really money it is debt and along with the other debt spending in the budget, bailouts, etc it threatens the stability of our currency. This is no joke, our debt to GDP ratio is moving in the direction of 3rd world countries. Second, before you stand on the assertion that money = education improvement, please consider that the spending in Charleston County is about $14,000.00 per student per year or about what you pay at the best private schools in the area. So is money the real issue?? Multiple bonds for construction and constant spending increases have not made a dent in our national standing.
I encourage you to really listen to Gov. Sanford's ideas and plans. His principles have not changed since he ran as a congressman in the early 90s. Paying off the debt will save us millions in interest, coupled with smart spending and tax restructuring will best position the state.
By the way, if you want to improve education - turn off the TV and work with your kids on their studies. Quit blaming the government for your laziness as a parent. Parents are the best teachers of their children regardless of the quality of the schools. Even though I am not an Obama fan, I appreciate his accomplishments as a person which he greatly credits to his mother who woke him at 5am each morning to study before school.
March 31, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BreezinIAm (anonymous) says...
My sis (Masters) teaches Honors English in one of the best middle schools out of a goddamn TRAILER, which farts unknown gasses which cause her and some of the kids to have headaches.
So who cares, right?
Here's the gov's argument on March 20th:
"$700 million - to pay for past promises made by state government. Doing so with debt related to education would free up over $162 million in debt service in the first two years and save roughly $125 million in interest payments over the next 13 years ..."
I would suggest that the gov use the stimulus money to take a math class.
We give $700 million to another state and save $287 million (162,000,000 + 125,000,000) over thirteen years.
So now our total bill is $413,000,000 (700,000,000 - 287,000,000).
Does this make sense in terms of governing for the future?
I only wish the gov would move his office into my sister's trailer for a day.
BTW: Yes, she and her fellow teachers are being held accountable. Laptops and new software progs are introducing new accountability standards, new metrics which are beginning to have an effect. South Carolina's educational system is improving, but it needs imaginative leadership, not political roadblocks.
March 31, 2009 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lottcm (anonymous) says...
Basic economics- you can't spend what you don't have... The government/media are spending money that is not "real". We don't have it... The education system needs to be fixed-agreed. But we must work within our means to make this happen. Learning begins at home not in public or private schools. I have two boys in public schools ages 13 and 8 and both are doing very well (both on honor roll). My husband and I follow them very closely and actually communicate with the teachers all year to make sure they are learning the needed concepts and reinforce them at home. What are parents doing to improve the
"broken" system? I wonder if this is related to the "broken" home more than the broken system? And yes, I am highly motivated to better myself. Only one of my parents even has an associate degree, so its not that either. I am educated, married, work full time, and continue to go to school. And I do not spend money I don't have.
March 31, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
GOP10, right on! newsreader74, excellent post!
March 31, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kidmaster6 (anonymous) says...
If we will have to repay the money whether or not we spend it, then wouldn't it make sense to get use from it?? Do you know how many teachers have been laid off in schools across the state? Oh, I forgot, this is South Carolina-we LOVE being at the bottom in education! We've been there for so long, we've made it HOME!
March 31, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonbill (anonymous) says...
i agre with Mark. we dont ned no mor mony fur edukation her in sc. luk how good i kan spel. we didnt get to be 49th fur nothing. it tok good ledership like mark!
Take the money and fix what you have been so successful in cutting "education"
ps- Where the heck is all the loto money going????
March 31, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
All of you out there that hold to the idea that "since we have to pay for it anyway, go ahead and take the money".
If you take the money now, you have no leg to stand on in the future to talk against government bailouts. You become a nothing more than a whore. Exactly where the President wants you...
Get a clue people, the President wants you permanently attached to the his government teat. Suckling at that teat forever...take the money and your hooked!
March 31, 2009 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
agoodsongmaker (anonymous) says...
The Political 'Slight-of-hand' manuevers continue. Most everyone states why we should or should not take the money...most explanations make sense. Villifying individuals for their stance is just what they want...don't look at the issue, look at the individual's and call them names and then argue with each other, ad nauseum.
The Stimulus Bill is either right or wrong. If you think it's wrong but decide to take the 'wrong' money, it doesn't make the decision any less wrong.
The arguement we will have to pay it back anyway has no merit on this decision. This Administration is going to make you pay regardless of your choices. So do you compromise what you know to be right just because doing right is going to be painful? Why Govenor Sanford has taken his stance is a diversion from the central question of, 'is his position based on an honorable deportment regarding the money'?
I believe if you think some of the money is wrong, then all of it is wrong. Forget the $700M; turn down all of it and do what our forefathers did...dig in, work hard and pay your bills and make do with what you have until you're done.
A Proud Native born downtown Charleston, y'all!
March 31, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HighDef (anonymous) says...
it sure isn't easy picking up the mess after the worst president in the history of the United States of America.
March 31, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
I support Sanford.
I am a public school teacher and a native of SC. I have yet to see money fix anything in our public education system.
And as for Sanford selling his house for a profit, I say good for him!!!! Anyone who disagrees should have their home appraised then go sell it for a loss.
March 31, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonhome (anonymous) says...
Its not coincidence that Sanford won his reelection in a landslide in an otherwise Democrat coattail election. It amazes me how Clyburn and some of the state legislature want to "go around him". Sanford has ALWAYS been principled and fiscally conservative, yet people accuse him of political posturing. More money thrown at public schools has never solved the public education problem and never will. If I had $1 to go to Columbia (or Washington) to be spent wisely by the government, I would give it to him. And so would most SC residents......
March 31, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by HighDef on March 31, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
it sure isn't easy picking up the mess after the worst president in the history of the United States of America.
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You're right, it wasn't, but Ronald Reagan managed to do it after the worst President in US history: Jimmy Carter.
March 31, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
GOP10
Once again, then north has beat you. We are smart enough to educate ourselves up north, put our kids through good schools up north, attend the best colleges up north, make real money up north, then when we get our fat retirement money we come down and enjoy the sun and beach and low taxes because we know you guys enjoy being last in everything and could care less if your kid's schools are falling apart. With Sanford, SC is sure to remain at the bottom. I'm glad you are so proud of the King of Clowns. We laugh at him up north!
March 31, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
I love how all these elitists want to try and denigrate SC's education system, it is so weak-minded and only meant as insulting.
I found this link of the:
#1 Ranking is "Smartest"
2006-2007 Smartest State Award
RANK STATE SMART RATING
2005-2006 RANK
26 South Carolina
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm
Now if anyone can find a more recent listing post it. But I see many states that fall below SC, including:
27 Colorado
28 Delaware
29 Florida
30 Tennessee
31 Kentucky
33 Washington
34 Ohio
39 Michigan
40 Oregon
47 California
49 Nevada
Now, you can check for yourselves. I have to ask, how did this nation become so great and lead the world throughout the mid 1800s with advances in industry and inventions - land a man on the moon in 1969, with millions of kids educated in small schools, some of them 1 room, mixed age school houses and little money per student?
Even with dramatic increases in the amount of educational resources spent on primary and secondary education over the past two decades -- expenditures have risen nationally to an all-time high of $9,295 per pupil -- student performance has improved only slightly; 69 percent of American eighth-graders are still performing below proficiency in math and 71 percent in reading, according to the 2007 National Assessment of Education Progress (NAEP).
March 31, 2009 at 10:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HighDef (anonymous) says...
sanford for president would be like having barney frank run for the democrats...it wont happen. Great story about Sanford's whole family screwing up different companies etc...
March 31, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
june (anonymous) says...
newspaper 74,your article is good,but you see the stimulus package can not
be used to pay down debt,stated by the president. Objected.
It is suppose to be used to stimulate the economy so by helping people,educators and getting jobs going would be a useful way to use the money that no matter what,take or leave it the taxpayers are going to have to pay back.
South Carolina should not penalized because gov. Sanford has in head in the ocean sand.
March 31, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
"I'm glad you are so proud of the King of Clowns. We laugh at him up north!"
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As the saying goes, "We don't care what you do 'up north'".
March 31, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
"One of the most destructive myths of our time is the notion that the problems in America's schools are primarily a result of inadequate spending. For years, through its annual Report Card, ALEC has performed a noble service for our nation by putting forth the hard facts that challenge this myth, and providing data that prove the positive impact of reforms rooted in accountability, transparency, and parental choice. As a former state legislator and ALEC member, I'm proud of the contribution ALEC continues to make in the effort to ensure every student in America has the opportunity for a quality education."
- Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), Minority Leader, U.S. House of Representatives
Here is a more recent "report card" on our state, but it also shows that spending more $$$ on education does not get the results you think your going to get.
http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?S...
IMHO, the following is the real problem with our government run education system:
2006 HIGH SCHOOL
GRADUATION RATES
State Average 52.8%
National Average 70.2%
http://www.alec.org/am/pdf/education/...
Decide for yourself, but more money will not fix our problems, especially BORROWED MONEY!
March 31, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newsreader74 (anonymous) says...
Kidmaster6, the answer to your question and all the others like it is NO, NO, NO. What we should do is everything we can to stop this debt spending here and in Washington. What good is a one year bump in budget? Are we going back to 2008 levels after the 'bump'? What good is all of this if we're paying $10.00 or $15.00 for a gallon of milk in a year? You have to understand how scary and bad it will be to have hyper-inflation. This is no joke, it has happened many times in history. It destoys economies and punishes the poor. It is caused by printing money out of thin air and dumping it into the economy.
You think we're talking about taking free money or not, I'm talking about the need to stop a coming disaster. I am talking about groceries that cost you $100 now costing $200 in the blink of an eye. The dow dropping by 50% only effects people who have investments, the price of everything going up by 100% will effect everything.
Please look at the larger picture.
March 31, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
Why give your kids 2 more years of a half way decent education, when you can let them fall further behind today. Thats the advice from the King of Clowns. There are about 45 other states happy to take your money. And they know you will pay it back for them. They thank you and hope to fix up their schools and let you Sandford lovers pay off their loans.
March 31, 2009 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc_refugee (anonymous) says...
WOW! Glad I was able to get out of SC 30 years ago. I am never amazed at what goes on in SC. I was fortunate enough to escape through an education. Although I still own property in SC,and I pay taxes there, I am ashamed of this governor and the bozos that put him there. This is nothing more than grandstanding. SC is first in evertything bad. Inferior schools, public servants, etc. I weep for SC. If the money is not taken, you all get what you deserve
March 31, 2009 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NanMcCarthy (anonymous) says...
Governor Sanford, try taking the silver spoon out of your mouth long enough to talk to hurting South Carolinians.
March 31, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
After looking over the numerous and slanderous posts of northeastgoon that contain absolutely nothing of merit, and plenty of derogatory remarks about our state there is only one conclusion to be made that logic dictates.
This is another pimply face introverted troll lashing out at the world he knows nothing about, from the confines of the safe room in his mommy's house.
Puts me in mind of that other jerk who fantasied about kicking my butt then got booted for his childish obscenities.
People like him are just too dumb to see the wisdom of the governor's stand and no amount of reason will ever get through to them.
March 31, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newsreader74 (anonymous) says...
June, I would prefer to take any opportunity to reject and otherwise not participate in the destruction of the currency and economy.
As far as stimulus and payback...I drive a 10 year old beaten up car and skip vacations. At the same time I am averaging (over 4 years) about $45,000.00 per year in federal income tax as I work 80 hours per week trying to build a stable business and create long term jobs. I base my opinions on the belief that I know more about what really stimulates the economy that those reckless knuckleheads in Washington.
March 31, 2009 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
smosellem (anonymous) says...
EVERYONE TAKING THE TIME TO POST ON HERE, WHY NOT TAKE THE TIME TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION WHERE IT COUNTS? Call Governor Mark Sanford at(803)734-2100 and exercise your right as a constituent to express your opinion!
March 31, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
newsreader74, another great post, the problem is that some of the brilliant posters here today have no idea about de-valued currency and hyper-inflation. They are the same ones that think if they have checks in their checkbook, than there must be money in their checking account.
northeastguy, it appears the only clown here is you and you appear to be the queen. Can you post anything other than your same old tired crap? You know, something intelligent, being that you are so much more superior to the rest of us. Use some big words.
sc_refugee - Please, dont be so phony. You join today and make 1 post. Tell us more of why where you live is better than SC. Or did you join just to make that one comment with nothing more than an attack on the people of SC and its Gov?
Thank you for leaving the state and thanks for paying your taxes.
March 31, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teresa40insc (anonymous) says...
That is what is wrong with this world right now everybody wants the easy way out and a hand out. I agree with MS and I don't think he should take the money. Because the greedy always wants more and it never stops. Our great great great great.....grandchildren will never be able to repay what your president has spent...and for what? He continues to give money to the ones that don't need it. Common sense tells you that you can all the money in the world to any business but without working people to use or buy from that company it does NO GOOD> the money should have been given to the American Tax Paying Citizens. If every tax paying person was given say $200,000.00 the economy would have turned around. So I say Kudos to MS...stick to your guns. All this hoop ha about fixing schools and making them better there have been many many multi million dollars spent in making new schools and I am sorry but the fact that we are one of the lowest ranking school systems in the country has nothing to do with the building it has to do with kids, parents not taking responsibility for their own actions. Kids use to learn by a oil lamp and one book... come on. Get real....
March 31, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BlackReign (anonymous) says...
smosellem, I tried to call, but it seems his number is disconnected, the bill hasnt been paid! LOL, sorry, that wasnt funny.
March 31, 2009 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BBBP (anonymous) says...
Hang in there Mark!
Many are behind you and for what you stand!
Bobby Harrell...and McConnell...it is time for you to step down. You have been there too long! Give some new blood a chance. Blood that believes in the Constitution and not indebting us further in a couple of years from now!
When your credit cards get maxed out...and you cannot pay them..what do you do? You cut them up and live within your means...you pay down your debt! Otherwise...you go bankrupt.
And when he spoke of Zimbabwe...he was not being racial! He was trying to open people's eyes to what happened there financially...the Zimbabwe dollar collapsed! Bread can cost you hundreds of dollars...people are starving to death there! Do you want to see that here!?
Well.. we are walking that path now!
March 31, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
northeastguy (anonymous) says...
yird,
you and Sanford are the fools here, even most republicans disagree with him on this, that is a fact.
March 31, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Get_seriousHELP (anonymous) says...
yird "This is another pimply face introverted troll lashing out at the world he knows nothing about, from the confines of the safe room in his mommy's house.
Puts me in mind of that other jerk who fantasied about kicking my butt then got booted for his childish obscenities.
People like him are just too dumb to see the wisdom of the governor's stand and no amount of reason will ever get through to them."
I think your troll cyber stalker is back Yird!
Hello HeHateMe_bro, former troll known as getserious. What next? Attack Limbaugh, than your infamous foul rants with a sprinkle of quasi-profanities?
March 31, 2009 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Get_seriousHELP (anonymous) says...
Posted by northeastguy "yird, you and Sanford are the fools here, even most republicans disagree with him on this, that is a fact."
WOW, what a brilliant and well written come back! LOL.
March 31, 2009 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
I call the stimulus package, the forcing of a private sector CEO to resign without knowing squat about business, wreckless.
The last thing this hayseed state needed was to cut education first and now the concerned legislature is whining about needing money.
What happens when the stimulus money goes away and the state can't fill it? I love short-sighted people. The US is full of them and they live on both sides of the aisle and so do the stupid voters.
March 31, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
smosellum...........
WHY call when you can POST in Every paper in the state for everyone TO .......READ and think about !!
If a politician does NOT read the comments in the PAPER THEN WE KNOW HE WILL not Listen to US face to FACe...!!!
Besides......do you think MARK or anyone else has time to answer PHONES...???
That is so 60's............!!!
March 31, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by UrGatorbait on March 31, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I call the stimulus package, the forcing of a private sector CEO to resign without knowing squat about business, wreckless.
The last thing this hayseed state needed was to cut education first and now the concerned legislature is whining about needing money.
What happens when the stimulus money goes away and the state can't fill it? I love short-sighted people. The US is full of them and they live on both sides of the aisle and so do the stupid voters.
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But, but, but, we're going to have to pay back the money even if we don't take it!!! So we HAVE to take it!!!!
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:eyeroll:
They don't want to talk about how we are going to come up with the money to continue paying for all of The Anointed One's social programs after the Federal teat has dried up. They just wants them some of dat free gub'ment money!!!
March 31, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cjwtacoma (anonymous) says...
TO ALL YOU SANFORD SUPPORTERS, STOP, LISTEN, AND READ.
You all are so out of touch WITH reality for what is happening in this country and especially in South Carolina. This country is in a recession, closest to the Great Depression, it didn't took much for South Carolina to get this way in terms of high unemployment rate, because there were never a lot of jobs in the state in the frist place. I can bet you my bottom dollar, the ones supporting Sandford for being stupid, are not hurting in terms of living, and has a good job, incomes, and are wealthy, and don't give 'D' about the poor citizens that are struggling to make ends meet. We just got a President out the White House who didn't cares about the poor and Middle Class, now here come a Governor, he should resign from his post if he doesn't't want to be a part of South Carolina Depression, think of it this way, if the country in is a recession, then South Carolina is in a Great Depression. So let stop being like an idiot and take the money, for now, and deal with the pay back issues later.
March 31, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Zoomru's post is the most intelligent here.
Dwahetsell comes close, with brevity included.
The rest range from well thought out to beyond in_____r.
March 31, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by cjwtacoma on March 31, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TO ALL YOU SANFORD SUPPORTERS, STOP, LISTEN, AND READ.
So let stop being like an idiot and take the money, for now, and deal with the pay back issues later.
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Wow... that was.... painful to read. But anyway...
Worry about paying it back later????? THAT is a major part of what has caused the problems facing the nation.
And I beg of you, please use this link:
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/
March 31, 2009 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
smurph2 (anonymous) says...
This is not hard to figure. The $700 mill is slated to go for education. What is the best way to continue to allude the Repulican constichency that Rebublicans are on their side? By making sure they never become educated.
March 31, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lloyd007 (anonymous) says...
Thank you New York Times for pointing out the shear reckless actions of this governor. This Man is doing nothing more than simply playing politics with the people of this state for "His Own" personel gain. Does this guy really believe he would ever win a national election with such divisive actions .Hell, he can't even unify a state with regards to the confederate flag, How can he ever look to unite a country...What a Loser...A state at the bottom of the barrel in "EVERYTHING", And this joke of a Governor.Why don't someone slap these "good old boys" into the 21st century and have them realize that "It's Not About Them",It's about "THE PEOPLE" ...
March 31, 2009 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
cjwtacome says, "the ones supporting Sandford for being stupid, are not hurting in terms of living, and has a good job, incomes, and are wealthy, and don't give 'D' about the poor citizens that are struggling to make ends meet"
You bet your butt on that! The ones supporting Sanford got an education, didn't have welfare babies and invested in their future. Unlike the whining gimme's with no education and only one parent living in subsidized housing crying for gubment handouts between crack deals. If you think spending money you don't have and can't afford is a good thing you will remain hurting! Stop whining and get an education even if you have to pay for it yourself. Of coarse that takes commitment and work which most of those that are hurting have no intention of doing when BO will give it to you for free. I was raised in a different world and philisophical time, people took care of themselves which todays voters seem incapable. It was an era when the US was #1 at just about everything. Gimme, gimme, gimme, the today (BO) philosophy!
March 31, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fins711 (anonymous) says...
It seems that the Times would be better served in going after their own, arrogant,UNELECTED governor. They are too busy covering for Hussein and Patterson.Their governor is hell-bent on driving businesses and the main tax-payers out of the state with his tax programs. What hypocrisy!!
March 31, 2009 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
Hello BOYS! Did you miss me?
Having fun typing away and agreeing with each other?
NO?
You guys need a little stimulation........Sanford is a horrible governor and will never get elected to any office higher than city council in some beau-dunk town that has no newspaper.
We are first in everything bad and last in everything good....and I lay a whole steaming pile at Sanford's feet!
Now that should get you guys all hot and bothered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cuz it seems so empty without me.......na na na na na
March 31, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
stimulus...parasites (northeastgay included) rejoice!
March 31, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
Who you calling parasite, boy?
I pay my taxes, more than my fair share of taxes, unlike the richies that scream for tax cuts so they can stimulate the economy....they just say that so they can purchase some jewels for their ladies and get their own stimulation!
March 31, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by Luna on March 31, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
....and I lay a whole steaming pile at Sanford's feet!
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You shouldn't do that... I'd hate to see him trip over you.
March 31, 2009 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
geek - you are about as funny as a boil on your behind. You are the lonely little guy with a Star Wars collection, right?
March 31, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCBorn1 (anonymous) says...
LOL....hahahahhahaha
March 31, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jadedncynical (anonymous) says...
Credit Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al., for painting Sanford and other fiscally conservative governors (not all of whom are Republicans, by the way) into a corner on this one. As a fiscal conservative, what disappoints me is that Obama did not outline a single good reason for denying either of Sanford's requests to use the money to pay down state debt; instead, he simply used the authority of his position to reinforce his big-government mantra. Never mind that paying down state debt, particularly in these economic times, is the most responsible thing that any state could do with the money; that's not an important consideration.
What's more, the supposedly Republican-led SC legislature (you know, the body that actually creates and passes the budget) bears more responsiblity (and if they had any scruples at all, a deep sense of shame) for the budget mess and attendant problems with education, infrastructure, etc., than Sanford ever could. That they support this porkulus fiasco is galling; that they have considered circumventing the Constitution in order to access the federal blood money is damning. As far as I'm concerned, the entire bunch should be tarred and feathered and run out of the state on a rail for showing how easily they can be bought. They're worse than incompetent, because they have no idea just how foolish they are.
March 31, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Luna do you live in a trailer or under a bridge?
March 31, 2009 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
The very fact that the New York Times is trying to do a hatchet jog on governor Sanford is an indication that he's on the right track.
The Southern Education Foundation makes pie in the sky predictions based on what they percieve as the right path to take relating to the stick it to us monies.
Cute little graphs with idealistic projections indicated do not represent real anything except the wishful thinking of some bean counter.
I'm sure similar graphs could be formulated that would emphasize the horrific effect of a debt growing at an exponential rate. Those unfortunately would be based on numbers that can be easily understood by most, even with only a limited math background and it's hard to make those kind of numbers lie.
Well maybe that small percentage that couldn't figure out what an adjustable rate mortgage was might not get it but then they probably think the NYT is a creditable source of information so they're in never never land anyway.
Posted by HeHateMe_bro on March 31, 2009 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sanford acting like a donkey is not news, what a waste of cyberspace. Get that monkey out as governor before he sets this state back another 30 years.
Posted by northeastguy on March 31, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yird,
you and Sanford are the fools here, even most republicans disagree with him on this, that is a fact.
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Somebody help me. I can't determine which one of these trolls is the dumbest.
March 31, 2009 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Luna your breadth of understanding economics is laughable, stick to preaching love and peace and other fairy tales.
You and the rest of the hacks of both sides are the problem so stop acting like you know what your doing. You are just removing all doubt.
March 31, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Fins711 (anonymous) says...
Luna loves him some Hussein!!!
March 31, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by Luna on March 31, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
geek - you are about as funny as a boil on your behind. You are the lonely little guy with a Star Wars collection, right?
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LOL!!! That's it? That's the best insult you can come up with? Wow... I'm actually embarrassed for you.
March 31, 2009 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
icbmman (anonymous) says...
Usually Luna comes across as fair-spoken, so this is a surprise to see him/her riled up with Sanford's actions as governor. However, I think the reason behind her emotional reaction is two-fold: she is blind with rage and envy at executive salaries (even though they themselves provide true economic stimulus through job growth and spending), and she truly is a lemming/a sheep that worships at the altar of the Obamessiah.
Luna's complete allegiance to the Church of Liberalism is becoming more apparent.
March 31, 2009 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
FOOLS! I come on here to give you guys something to talk about!
Do you think that I don't get that we are in a pickle? Do you think I don't see my sizable 401K getting the beat down?
No, as Jimmy Buffet says: I'm just glad I don't live in a trailer.
Sorry, geek, I should have come up with something more vulgar for a troll like you. You send your days tied to a computer screen trying to figure out exactly what relevance you represent to anyone.
I worship NO ONE, not your god, not a president and darn well not any MAN! So, if you light weight blow hards are ready to fight I'm done with the free love shicrap.
You are all a bunch of lonely little p&*ck@d boys who couldn't get a rise if Viagra was involved.
Now, let's see who will run to the P & C police and get me kicked off for telling it like it really is.
If someone disagrees with you small minded fools you start with insults, but it's a lovefest when it is only Republitards bantering like fat cats.
The funny thing is.....most of you make the same amount of money as everybody else; you just try to create some mystical persona when you get on-line. Dang it must be tiring to be so fake!
It seems so empty without me:.na na na na na
March 31, 2009 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Lunatic, maybe you and your girlfriend ought to smoke a couple and see if you can't compensate for some of that bile that's got your panties all in a wad.
Of course for a dried up twit like you a little KY might be necessary to replace what nature has robbed you of.
Now nix with the insults unless you want to continue to be on the losing end.
Remember the subject is our great governor which you could mention between rants just to give the vague impression of being on topic!
March 31, 2009 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
So sorry yird the turd or is it tripsa? Forgot that you are an older gentleman with perfect politness at all times. Goodness me, how could I possible allow my anger get the better of me?
Where are my manners? Let me see, maybe they are sick and tired of Sanford playing politics when places like the Charles Webb center is closing, or maybe I should focus on all the bad roads in SC, or maybe I should set my sights on the fact that we cannot keep criminals behind bars because of budget cuts? No, no.....maybe I should just talk about our mental health care score, what was it again....oh, yes it was an F.
Or maybe you would rather I keep my pretty little head in the kitchen and allow you big strong white men take care of all our problems......WAIT, you guys are the ones that caused all our problems to begin with.......Silly me!
March 31, 2009 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
NO TAXATION WITH OUR REPRESENTATION. lindsey is a waste. he is why i dropped from the rep party. but Sanford is right the govt wants the banks, businesses and control over the states. too many strings are attached. there is no such ting as free, some one has to pay and it will be the rest of us who are working.
March 31, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by Luna on March 31, 2009 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FOOLS! I come on here to give you guys something to talk about!
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No, you come here to embarrass yourself. And you do a very, very good job of it.
March 31, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
icbmman (anonymous) says...
What's hilarious about Luna(tic)'s argument among others like northeastguy is that just because the government is out printing the money and handing it out, we should willfully accept it because we're already "paying" for it through our taxes. This basic premise is a lie!
You can't spend what you don't have. All the fed is doing now is printing more dollar bills, which will eventually bankrupt the nation, make inflation soar, and cause our dollar to be worthless. Whatever money the government is using for their stimulus packages is NOT money taken from its coffers, which are supposed to procure it from the actual production sectors of this country: the hard-working people like you and me. The money the fed is printing is just paper, not based on any significant commodity like gold or oil. In other words, they are writing TRILLIONS of dollars of IOUs that our grandchildren's GRANDCHILDREN will be paying for!!
Sanford is making a choice on pure principle that you can't drive yourself further into debt on the gamble that it might stimulate more jobs. It's plain fiscal conservatism, and that strategy has ALWAYS worked. If you people want to suck on the government teat, GTFO of this state and move up to your idiot utopia of Michiganistan, Connecticut, and Massachusetts (home of Mr. Grabby Hands himself, Bawney Fwank)! There'll be plenty of other serfs with you in those sections of the USSA, dumping a case load of dollars for a loaf of bread.
March 31, 2009 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by Luna on March 31, 2009 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)"Or maybe you would rather I keep my pretty little head in the kitchen and allow you big strong white men take care of all our problems......WAIT, you guys are the ones that caused all our problems to begin with.......Silly me!"
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"Pretty little head", that's hard to believe given your ugly demeanor.
And if you have problems don't blame whitey, blame yourself for not learning how to cope.
March 31, 2009 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Welcome back, ICBMMAN!!!!!!!!!!! Crushing the lesser posters is effortless for you.
March 31, 2009 at 6:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by HeHateMe_bro on March 31, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Imagine what the Obama Administration could do if they hadn't inherited a trillion dollar deficit from you-know-who...
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Imagine what our children and grandchildren could do if Obama hadn't spent 3 trillion dollars of their money in less than 90 days.
March 31, 2009 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oceanlover (anonymous) says...
icbm - your logic would be brilliant if it was not true that in some way, that farking money that's going to go to some other state is eventually going to come out of my paycheck. We may be borrowing like there's no tomorrow, but I sure am having a heck of a lot of my work going to the feds in the form of my paycheck. I'd like as much of it to stay in my state as possible. And if you ignorami don't think that there is a direct correlation to this money and education, why don't you call McGinley and ask her what she's going to have to cut from Chas cty's school budget because our state's essentially in a depression. We're trying to get a new teacher hired for the overcrowded school my daughter will attend. But it ain't going to happen unless there is money - borrowed or not - to pay for that teacher. Instead, the class will be too full. The teacher will be harried and overworked trying to discipline too many kids and the educations of every kid in that class will suffer for it. If my money is going to be used anyway, I want it to go to a teacher in my state, and preferably in my school zone. Sanford will be laughed off the national stage if he tries for national office. He makes Sarah Palin look like Stephen Hawking.
March 31, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
osted by HeHateMe_bro on March 31, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Imagine what the Obama Administration could do if they hadn't inherited a trillion dollar deficit from you-know-who..
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You mean the mess created by hot bottom Frank and two tongued Dodd?
This genetic mistake that temporarily resides in the white house could screw up a two car funeral.
If he had "inherited" a trillion dollar surplus it'd be gone in a week and know one would be able to figure out where it went.
March 31, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by Oceanlover on March 31, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
icbm - your logic would be brilliant if it was not true that in some way, that farking money that's going to go to some other state is eventually going to come out of my paycheck.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Tell me, how do you know that?
March 31, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsSun (anonymous) says...
Northeastguy & CrankeeYankee-do you guys both have gargoyles in front of your house and plastic flowers on your door? At least we simple minded southerners can always tell what house the Yankee's live in. Usually the gaudiest and aesthetically challenged house in the neighborhood. You can usually tell a Yankee by the mannor of clothing as well.
Well at least our SC governor can talk in public without using a teleprompter like the great northern educated president we have.
March 31, 2009 at 9:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Get_seriousHELP (anonymous) says...
yird, HeHateMe_bro, is the old POS Getserious, trolling to start crap. As usual, he is an idiot and has no input.
Check this Nazi thinking out;
There are already too many people living on Planet Earth, according to one of most influential science advisors in the US government.
Nina Fedoroff told the BBC One Planet programme that humans had exceeded the Earth's "limits of sustainability".
Dr Fedoroff has been the science and technology advisor to the US secretary of state since 2007, initially working with Condoleezza Rice.
Under the new Obama administration, she now advises Hillary Clinton.
"We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can't support many more people," Dr Fedoroff said, stressing the need for humans to become much better at managing "wild lands", and in particular water supplies.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/na...
March 31, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hln051305 (anonymous) says...
I say kick him out of office. The South Carolina residents need leadership who can handle a storm with defeat. We have the second highest unemployment in the nation. Gov. Mark Sanford has the audacity to turn away money we can use but still have to payback. Gov .Sanford I say to you what in the world are you thinking? God help you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 1, 2009 at 5:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by hln051305 on April 1, 2009 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I say kick him out of office"
I agree. The longer Alinsky's protege remains in the white house the more damage he does to the country.
What would really be great is if we could just swap Sanford and Obama in their present roles.
Then all those that think South Carolina is screwed up would truly have something to cry about.
But in the real world, we have a governor who understands the dangers of runaway debt and a president who can't construct a coherent sentence without a teleprompter to guide him.
April 1, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eds777 (anonymous) says...
Hold your ground, Governor Sanford!
There are so many who have posted here who have no clue concerning economic slavery, yet beg for it!
April 1, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
icbmman (anonymous) says...
Hey postman! I've been working pretty hard lately, so I can't get on here as often as I would like.
Oceanlover, the problem with your argument is that regardless of how much of our paycheck is going to the fed, the "stimulus" money is not actual money we will ever see. It basically is a sum of IOUs written in printed currency, NOT currency generated from tax revenues. Sure, if we are getting taxed to oblivion by the fed, it is natural to think that the federal stimulus should not be withheld from our state, because supposedly, it's "our" money. However, this is an easy falsehood that the mainstream media and Obama administration perpetrate as common sense, when it really is pure propaganda.
It's money that doesn't EXIST. It is money that the government, quite literally, conjured out of thin air. All accepting the stimulus will do is make the state even MORE dependent on the federal government, depreciate the state's sovreignty even further, and prolong the recession and unemployment rate in SC. You say this money should go to education; well, wasn't this money supposed to go to infrastructure?! As it has been stated before, simply throwing money at the education bureaucracy is not going to help it...SC already does this. There are also other considerations for SC low scores: testing in other states is not as stringent as SC, SC also tests mentally handicapped and deficient students and includes their scores in the final results, and teachers in SC are not allowed to help any student with questions while other state teachers do.
The education problem is not stemmed from monetary problems; there are far many more causes for it. Simply destroying this country financially will not help education anymore than make more jobs.
April 1, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GermanyXO (anonymous) says...
God Bless Governor Sanford and God Bless South Carolina!
Great posts, icbmman! Members of our state legislature are quick to react to what amounts to another credit card account to fund programs its members know can't be sustained by existing state tax revenues. Governor Sanford knows the vast majority of our state legislature will drag their feet throughout their terms in office when asked to figure out how to pay for accumulated debt, ignorantly passing the responsibility to future generations of legislators and taxpayers.
Both Clyburn's and McConnell's intentions should be up for scrutiny. Who wants to start investigating their political ties to construction (transportation infrastructure) and consulting firms (improving educational system through analysis studies) throughout the state that stand ready to benefit from this $700 million federal loan? Yes, it's a loan everybody and not free money like both of these elected officials are marketing it as to win the hearts and minds of us taxpayers.
What both Clyburn and McConnell are NOT PREPARED to explain are how both intend to pay back the $700 million loan! Any data/evidence they provide must factor in recent declines in state taxpayer revenue. Will either of these men be in office to SERVE AS EXAMPLES to our state's future working population on HOW TO MANAGE CREDIT or will we continue to have elected officials like both of these men continue the STATUS QUO OF RUNNING OUR STATE DEEPER INTO THE RED?
Think about the loan Governor Sanford already applied for to SAVE OUR UNEMPLOYED! Our Post & Courier reported this expense as costing our state nearly NINE MILLION DOLLARS PER WEEK! Do the math and our state's financial situation may make headlines much like AIG. Who will bail out our state unless we take responsibility now?
April 1, 2009 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCBorn1 (anonymous) says...
Too late GermanyXO we already made headlines much like AIG for not accepting.
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"Posted by HeHateMe_bro on April 1, 2009 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush never vetoed a single spending bill that came across his desk."
I wish Bush did veto a bill, maybe out debt wouldn't be as high as it is now.....
April 1, 2009 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCBorn1 (anonymous) says...
our*
April 1, 2009 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mabilene (anonymous) says...
Stick to your guns, Guv!!!
It looks like WATTS up here in Columbia right now @ our State House.
Mob mentality makes us look 'stupider' than I think we really are...
April 1, 2009 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lbqwsq (anonymous) says...
They built a new high school on Johns Is. a few years ago to IMPROVE education. It costs millions and the price per child now runs 22,000 a year per child to "educate" them in this district. Guess what? The drop out rate is(still increasing) 53%, leaving only 47% to graduate with a 70% illiteracy rate. Many of these otherwise bright children could have become productive citizens with VOUCHERS and Transfers to good schools. All of which are programs supported by Sanford. Too late now... they have become unemployable or barely so due to yet another fine same old, same old (way above the national avg $/child)SC education. CHANGE THE SYSTEM NOT THE $'s. Sanford is right, the schools and SC will not be able to sustain massive expenditures after 2 years without getting a handle on our debt first and the school system as it stands now.
April 1, 2009 at 8:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
torde2u (anonymous) says...
After watching the "Obama Deception Movie", I was left numbed by shock that this national crisis 1)is bigger in scope than most people could fathom 2) is unfolding hourly 3) the "stimulus" (or spendulust) loan is part of it!
April 1, 2009 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
meemz (anonymous) says...
northeastguy,
Before you bash anyone educated in S.C., I suggest YOU learn an elementary grammar lesson:
"your" shows possession
"you're" contraction of you & are
p.s. I support Governor Sanford and, yes, I was educated in
S.C.
Posted by northeastguy on March 31, 2009 at 7:30 a.m.
The people supporting Sanford must have been educated in SC. I guess they want to keep the education level in SC right at the bottom. Just do as your told by the Gov, .......
April 2, 2009 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Get_seriousHELP (anonymous) says...
WOW! If Sanford can get all these delusional morons, like amazing, all bent out of shape about what the little leftist lemmings think is free money, than go GOV!
What a bunch of societal parasites wanting to pass on massive debt to their children. Way to live for today and for your self. Typical left wing nut jobs, it's all about serving self.
What is it about taking other peoples money that makes the left so flippin ecstatic?
April 2, 2009 at 9:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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