Spiritual adviser: 'Darkness' gripped Sanford
COLUMBIA- Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."
Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.
When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor - and their secret keeper.
The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.
In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."
Culbertson also thinks that the only thing holding his friends' marriage together right now is "their vow to God."
"Because it's not feelings - it's not emotions," Culbertson said, the smile fading from his tanned face. "For most Christians, at some point in your marriage, if you're married long enough, you do it because that's what we're called to do - out of obedience instead of out of passion. And I think that's where Mark and Jenny are right now."
The two men met in 1986, when Sanford was driving for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Lader and Culbertson was a campaign volunteer. Culbertson, 51, owns a court reporting business and has been described as a pillar of the capital city's Christian community.
Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.
"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."
When Sanford made his tearful public confession in the lower lobby of the State House Wednesday, Culbertson was there. Sanford singled him out.
"I would consider him a spiritual giant," Sanford said, breathing heavily to stifle his sobs. "And an incredibly dear friend."
Culbertson was talking with Jenny Sanford earlier that day when he learned that his old friend had not been hiking the Appalachian Trail for six days, as he'd told staff. He had returned to Argentina.
During his 18-minute mea culpa, the governor made numerous references to "God's law" and the sin of self. They were straight out of "Cubby's Talks" and the CDs the Culbertsons used in their "boot camp."
When Sanford cited the example of King David's infidelity and fall during a meeting with his cabinet on Friday, he was also drawing on the Culbertsons' sessions.
"One of the quotes we use in our couples course is, 'You can choose your sins, but you can't choose your consequences,'" Culbertson said. "We used to use David as an example of that. Mark may be the 2009 version of a good example.
"Mark knew what David knew."
Some who watched Sanford's news conference felt he was insincere, playing to the Palmetto State's religious base to salvage his political future.
Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.
"He answers the question before it's been asked," said Driver, who spent 15 years with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Then what does he do? He drops both his eyes and turns his head AWAY? ... That's what's called the cold shoulder. Because we face the core of our body toward people who usually address us."
Culbertson has asked his friend that same question several times over the years - not because he worried about it necessarily, but "just to kind of keep him accountable." It's a question occasionally asked of Culbertson.
"And I think it's something that men need to ask men who truly want to stay in line," he said.
Sanford told Culbertson he had never strayed before, and he "absolutely" believes him.
Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.
But cheating?
"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."
Even Sanford's political enemies would concede that much.
Will Folks, a former Sanford spokesman who has been excoriating his old boss in his political blog, said sex and romance "never seemed to be things that were on the governor's radar." Although he has since reported on two other alleged dalliances, Folks said this passionate love affair is "100 percent inconsistent with everything I ever saw of the man."
"I honestly thought the guy was asexual," Folks said. "I am not kidding."
In their course, the Culbertsons tell the couples - particularly the men - to avoid being put "in places that allow them to be more vulnerable in that area." Culbertson himself keeps his office door open when meeting with a woman and avoids dining alone with women.
In his confessional, Sanford said the relationship started as an "innocent" e-mail exchange, and Culbertson believes him.
Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.
"I'm not going to comment," he said.
The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.
The Sanfords asked to take part and even offered the governor's mansion as a meeting place.
Culbertson said the course is "pretty intense." He quizzes prospective participants and asks them not to start the course if they don't intend to take it seriously.
"But they both committed to doing the work," he said, "and they both did all the work."
Besides Bible readings and prayer, the Culbertsons stage what they call a "date night," where spouses interview each other. Culbertson said the boot camp is "not a marriage course, but marriages benefit from it."
"Because it challenges husbands and wives to talk about things eternal that typically we won't do unless we're in a structured environment," he said. "So it's to challenge you - in your spiritual life, in your walk with the Lord."
Culbertson said media characterizations that Jenny Sanford kicked the governor out of their home are "pretty harsh." He noted that the children had just finished school for the summer, and that Sanford was coming off a grueling legislative session.
"There's a term we use in our couples boot camp: 'When emotions are high, discernment is low,'" he said. "And they both accepted that there was a lot of emotion where they were, obviously."
Years ago, Culbertson warned his friend about the demands and corrupting influences of public office.
When Sanford asked Culbertson to contribute to his 1994 congressional campaign, Culbertson refused. Sanford was "very offended," but Culbertson told his friend it's the rare man who can be an effective congressman and fulfill his biblical responsibilities as a husband and father.
Culbertson admits he was "crushed" to learn of his friend's betrayal.
"I hate to see anybody I love fall," he said. But he still loves Sanford, and he disagrees with those who would say the governor is unfit to lead the state.
Culbertson cannot say for sure whether any love survives between the Sanfords. But he would counsel them to stay together.
"I've seen God change hearts in ways that they can't imagine," he said. "And if I hadn't seen that over and over and over and over again, I would have no hope."
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Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman also contributed to this report.
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theronce (anonymous) says...
I just don't know about these other spriritual advisors. We Christians should be in constant touch with the Holy Spirit. The love of sin is tearing this man apart.
June 29, 2009 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ashleyatwork (anonymous) says...
Why would Culbertson smile when asked if he had ever met Sanfords paramour? Seems inappropriate. When would Sanford ever find the need to have his lover in the presence of his religious mentor? It sounds odd. I wouldnt trust Culbertson for marital help.
June 29, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
metallic (anonymous) says...
I don't often have a reaction to others which I would characterize as "vile revulsion," but this Culbertson sure gets that reaction.
I'm not religious, but I know and like a lot of people who are. The sort of religious people I can't stand are the ones like this Culbertson character who thinks that he's in some position to "speak for God," or think that their "relationship" with God gives them some special insight so that they are qualified to give advice to others in things such as others' relationships.
As I posted here the other day: Just as one wouldn't use the Biblical description of Moses' "parting of the sea" as a possible solution when trying to solve an engineering problem of crossing a body of water, so too one shouldn't look to the "relationships" in the Bible as some example to help guide relationships in real life.
Heck, most of the Biblical relationships between men and women in the Bible are based on the idea of women as "property" -- and Culbertson thinks "Bible boot camps" is something good for couples?
This jerk is pushing a philosophy that is anti-human, anti-life (on this earth), and anti-happiness. He sounds like he's the one driven by some deep-seated "darkness," trying to drag others down to a state where they will be as miserable as he is.
Stay away from this loser!
June 29, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ncsugradsc (anonymous) says...
Ok....let's blame it on the "darkness". What a joke. He needs to take responsibility for what he did and not make excuses. And if his "spiritual advisor" knew about the affair before Sanford's wife knew and kept quiet....not exactly someone who should be advising couples on marriage. I think everyone is just sick of the whole thing. Sanford needs to just get out of public service for the best interest of the state.
June 29, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mb300sl (anonymous) says...
"The power of darkness" = The power of the pooswar
June 29, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
metallic (anonymous) says...
"The power of darkness"? More appropriate (if people would admit it to themselves):
"The Power Of Love," by Huey Lewis, lyrics:
The power of love is a curious thing
Make a one man weep
make another man sing
Change a hawk to a little white dove
More than a feeling
that's the power of love.
Tougher than diamonds
bricks like cream
Stronger and harder than a bad girl's dream
Make a bad one good
make a wrong one right
Power of love that keeps you home at night.
You don't need money
don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train.
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life.
That's the power of love
that's the power of love.
First time you feel it
it might make you sad
Next time you feel
it, it might make you mad.
But you'll be glad
baby, when you've found
that's the power makes the world go 'round.
And it don't take money
don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train.
It's strong and it's sudden, it can be cruel sometimes,
But it might just save your life.
They say that all in love is fair,
yeah but you don't care.
But you know what to do when it gets hold of you
And with a little help from above, you feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
can you feel it?
It don't take money. Don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train.
Tougher than diamonds and stronger than steel
But you won't feel nothin' 'til you feel
You feel the power
just feel the power of love.
That's the power
that's the power of love.
You feel the power of love
you feel the power of love
Feel the power of love.
June 29, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Loki,
I agree. A lot of marriages are held together by love and mutual respect, and no snake-handling advisor can make that happen, only the couple...
June 29, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
studley (anonymous) says...
Is this the "devil made me do it" defense?
These dudes are going to keep invoking religious themes until God pukes!
June 29, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Metallic, I don't know what your poltical beliefs are BUT your assessment of Culbertson bears up under logical scrutiny. I have to agree that it is insane to believe that a mortal man has a special pipeline to an omniscient and omnipotent being that created the universe and everything in it just because he says so and demonstrates both being a control freak and fanaticism in a non stop attempt to induce the rest of us to believe him.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if Culbertson's assessment of Mark is correct. That does not mean that he is Jesus Christ the Second.
June 29, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tallblonde (anonymous) says...
When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.
"I'm not going to comment," he said.
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Silence speaks volumes
June 29, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Most of you folks are pretty smart and know a lot of stuff and have opinions that I favor...and some not. In particular, though, many of you commenting on Christianity negatively is understandable from a limited point of view. I know you don't want me piping up every time an incorrect is made, and I promise to resist the urge. However, (1)nowhere in the Bible is a woman treated less than a man by God, Jesus, or His disciples (often there good works and nature are put forward as examples), and (2) Christians do in fact have a direct spiritual link with God as the Holy Spirit. I'm sure that some of the confusion does come from both false Christians and over zealous Christians who do try to drive the lost to the fold. That is not our job; our job is to live obediently and witness as we are given an opportunity...just lay it out there. It's above our pay grade to hound you; the calling should be there in your own hearts to find the truth. If it's not, then perhaps you have been given up for. I don't know and don't want to speculate. Just don't put it off. For future reference, you'll know a Christian by their actions, not by their words. We are here to serve.
June 29, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Name_Withheld (anonymous) says...
Try an exorcism next.
June 29, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hipchick (anonymous) says...
Once again the P&C embellishes. I watched Gov. Sanford's press conference & never once did I see him stifle a "sob". Yes he was emotional, perhaps on the verge of a tear, with a shaken voice, but he was never on the verge of sobbing. Just the FACTS, please.
June 29, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blueline (anonymous) says...
EELS.
My hovercraft is full of them.
June 29, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Arguendo (anonymous) says...
Does Culbertson have the Sanfords' permission to speak publicly about their relationship? Counselors, whether religious or secular, normally have a duty to protect their clients' confidences. A "spiritual advisor" should not abuse his position of confidentiality for publicity.
June 29, 2009 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...
Darkness... Charlie Murphy!!
June 29, 2009 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
funny nonpartisan.
June 29, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodforyou (anonymous) says...
Excellent posts metallic and ashley. When Sanford talked about the economy he said "when you find yourself in a hole the first order of business is to stop digging." Now with his personal life in shambles he drags in the Bible and this cultish adviser. Put down the shovel governor. I'm a supporter of your political philosophy and willingness to take a stand, but you're running out of people who take you seriously.
June 29, 2009 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
theronce: I must disagree with you on one point. In its current KJV women are not EQUAL to men, with few exceptions they:
*'belonged' to their husbands
*must SUBMIT to their carnal requests
*COMMANDED to only wear what was considered women's garments
*rarely did they own property as the society at the time was patriarchal. Property transferred to sons and husbands of daughters.
Granted men are commanded to LOVE their wives as they love Jesus but no where I've read in the Bible are they commanded to treat them as well or as fairly as they would their fellow men.
There are many sects of Christianity, Judaism and even Islam that take the tenets of the Old Testament literally. As for the New Testament, women's statuses were NOT elevated much. Granted they are loved and held to a high standard (nothing wrong with that) however BEING TREATED WELL IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS BEING TREATED EQUALLY.
Remember, IF we are TRUE Christians and TRULY adhered to the tenets of the Bible, both New & Old Testaments, we would:
*own slaves or endorse the industry thereof
*not eat shellfish
*not 'touch' your wife during her menses
*pay a dowry for the marriage of your daughter
*transfer property only to males
*no female clergy
*not accept blood products for ANY reason
Metallic is correct. In the Bible women were property of their fathers, brothers, husbands and sons. Granted many women held "positions" of power "behind" closed doors, however that power only lasted as long as they wielded their particular brand of coercion.
People of faith tend to believe that the words written in a book by men, translated several times via several languages (a couple of them dead languages) are the unequivocal word of God. And any dissension of that theory is heresy.
I leave them to their faith and wish them well.
But when you have individuals such as Mr. Culberston, using Biblical teachings to excuse immoral (not anti-religious) behavior and to promote loveless marriages under the guise of obedience to a Christian God, the stereotype that the evangelical faithful are blind sheeple that would rather follow ideology than utilize common sense is reinforced.
This man did Governor Sanford NO favors by opening his mouth. His self-aggrandizement only served to make himself, the Governor and evangelicals look foolish.
June 29, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JSteven3 (anonymous) says...
If Culbertson has met Maria (as would be indicated by his "no comment" when questioned), does that mean she has been to the United States? Or more particularly, to South Carolina? Just asking.
June 29, 2009 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
What's a little philandering among friends?
Are we not supposed to go forth and populate the world?
Judging from the population growth of recent years I'd say most people are doing a pretty good job of following some variant of scripture.
Or is humanity responding to instinct?
June 29, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gmc1 (anonymous) says...
Gee Cubby, where did you meet the other woman? This keeps getting better the more you dig.
To all Christians, stay away from Cubby and his ilk, these are oppotunistic snake oil salesmen.
June 29, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
devilsadvocate77 (anonymous) says...
Another religious hypocrite. Either you follow your religious ways or you don't. Its so ridiculous how this pattern occurs over and over. I guess he will be on his knees like Jimmy Swaggart talking to his god begging for forgiveness. People seem to like that, all the crying and carrying on. As for me, I don't follow any of that so I don't ever have any need to make a fool out of myself. I know I am only human and humans have a tendency to screw up ocassionally.
June 29, 2009 at 2:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Good comment, theronce. Unfortunately the fanatical and stupid that twist, warp, and distort everything have even made believing in God a chore. My observations about Culbertson were logically accurate. Since I believe, why don't I have the same thunderous pipeline to God though the Holy Spirit that he claims he does? I understand that ultimately it is a matter of faith but God gave us intelligence and using that intelligence plus having all the information available is straining faith for the seriously intelligent amongst us to the breaking point and leading us to the conclusion that most religious figures are charlatans who use faith as a control tool to feed their egos and also get by financially.
In other words, people like me are reaching the conclusion that God is truly beyond our conception and that other mere mortals like ourselves that insist that they know the answers under any rubric are phony frauds.
June 29, 2009 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Not to belabor each and every point, but...I know that I can read a text on the physics of the composition and energy of the sun and walk away with little to no understanding. I'm quite sure that I could cherry-pick some sentences here and there, come to a conclusion, and be totally wrong, sounding as ignorant as a child to a physicist. Open your mind, give it a fair shot, and read the Bible again. It's one story, a love story, you know.
June 29, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
counterpoint (anonymous) says...
Pious, atheist, it's all the same. Justifications are as abundant as reprehensible actions.
June 29, 2009 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
I will not accept this weird concept of "Christian Marriage." This just isn't anything like the 53 year marriage of my grandparents, who helped celebrate the marriage of my wife and I 23 years ago. My grandmother's explanation of marriage was simply more positive and decent than this. She was a serious Christian, a titan of her community, a member of the same Sunday school class for half a century. A picture of her and my Grandfather hangs in our home. What these people do and say about her religion and marriage would flabbergast my grandmother were she still alive. I think my Grandfather would just get ill hearing it. It's weird, sick, perverse.
June 29, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"I understand that ultimately it is a matter of faith but God gave us intelligence and using that intelligence plus having all the information available is straining faith for the seriously intelligent amongst us to the breaking point and leading us to the conclusion that most religious figures are charlatans who use faith as a control tool to feed their egos and also get by financially.
In other words, people like me are reaching the conclusion that God is truly beyond our conception and that other mere mortals like ourselves that insist that they know the answers under any rubric are phony frauds."
THE BEST POST OF THE DAY GOES TO... Mr. Postman!
Theronce, I'm neither ignorant nor a child. Of course, I do not know all there is to know and nor will I ever.
However I do know enough that reading a book written by men, whose words have been twisted and convoluted by constant translations and with the Catholic Church removing chapters and books deemed unseemly for the masses, may NOT be the EXACT words of an omnipotent being.
Of course if you do, please give my regards to your slaves, stay away from shellfish, stone the adulterer and send your otherwise wonderful wife to the tool shed during "that time". (Facetiousness applied) ;-)
Of course any of us can pick and choose snippets from any written dialogue and extrapolate what we will.
I mean if the voice of "God" told you to take your grandson to boulder on a mountain and kill him in sacrifice in your mind and faith that would be your 'duty' to do so.
However, if I heard said 'voice' I would ask my psychologist for a script for Zoloft and schedule some sessions.
I know that sounded condescending and perhaps it is.
I digress:
But my question to you Mr. Theronce; isn't insinuating that anyone who would question or have an opposing opinion regarding your faith as somehow being childish or ignorant just as FOOLISH as those who would mock you for being faithful to your religion?
I'm just asking:
June 29, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Oh, I don't take offense. It comes with the territory. In fact, I don't really respond to your jibes for your enlightenment, as you seem to be as satisfactorily wise as you wish to be. I just hope to mediate in some small way your harsh words that may be read by someone else who may not have made a decision yet. Just as Jesus said...in so many words, He was mocked and asked if the servant of the Master is greater than the master. The answer is...of course not. So, I expect to be mocked for my beliefs. That's no problem. The problem is that man sees his thoughts as wisdom with one thought as good as the next. If you can mock Christians falsely, then I can respond as I can. I haven't done much of it and don't plan to do too much of it in the future. As I've said before, it's not my job to change your heart or mind, just to repeat the truth. But, we'll see; hopefully you won't be able to get my goat too many times in the future. One thing you do get right consistently is that we Christians are pretty bad people...many of us have done as bad or worse than what we read about here daily. What separates us is our faith in accepting the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus to forgiveness of sins and a contentment in this phase of life. The Bible was written by men inspired by God and is infallable. The 66 books are unchanged from the first century. (I know, the hisory channel and others dispute that, but, hey, they're on your side.)
June 29, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Also, Sanford should resign...yesterday.
June 29, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
realamerican (anonymous) says...
We need to rid ourselves of these religious nutjobs in government. Sanford did not encounter "forces of darkness" he let lust over ride his judgment. Trying to blame satan for his transgressions is just plain crazy.
Time for Sanford to accept responsibility and resign. He failed the people of our state and was well aware at the time he was doing it. He put his own personal lust above all else including his family and state responsibilities.
June 29, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
theronce, if you choose to debate me, then be sure not to put the proverbial words in my mouth.
"One thing you do get right consistently is that we Christians are pretty bad people..."
You sir are a LIAR for ever insinuating that I've said it, meant it or believe it.
You want to defend your faith by all means do so.
But you will not do so at my expense or the expense of my integrity.
Not only do I support those who have ANY faith in ANY religion, I do so out of love, empathy and respect.
I do have certain opinions about what people do & say in the name of their religion and I offer them without compunction because I believe in the freedom of speech.
However, it is YOUR condescension that reeks on this page today.
You attempt to belittle me by calling me 'young' and 'ignorant' because you believe differently than I do. You attribute quotes to me that you will not find on this or any other website.
Perhaps my 'asides' were a bit out of line, however unlike you I didn't lie about what you've said.
I also did not 'mock' Christians falsely; I simply reiterated what the Bible has commanded Christians to do. If speaking the truth as "it is written" is considered falsely mocking then you sir need to not only re-read my comments but also reach for a dictionary to understand the real meaning of false.
Today Theronce you've become no better than moonie, realamerican or others of their ilk. Once you lie I have no use for you.
Have a good day sir.
June 29, 2009 at 4:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tallblonde (anonymous) says...
JSteven3 - I read another article this weekend that said she travels to New York "semi-regularly". My question was how many times in the past year or years has Sanford traveled to NY?
June 29, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mon_Kie (anonymous) says...
"Do not be deceived...adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9
June 29, 2009 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Mon_Kie, Define God. Thanks.
June 29, 2009 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sark (anonymous) says...
"nowhere in the Bible is a woman treated less than a man by God"
How about by a man of God? A man that the bible uses as an example of a good man(Hebrews 11)? How about when Jephthah sacrificed his daughter (and act that is never condemned)?
June 29, 2009 at 6:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Takebackurcountry (anonymous) says...
A spiritual advisor? Didn't they used to be gypsies?
June 29, 2009 at 6:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
Feel free to quote me:
"Mark Sanford is unfit to lead the state".
June 29, 2009 at 6:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
When I read this headline, my first thought was that he was in the grip of something besides darkness.......
June 29, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
torde2u (anonymous) says...
He should have followed in Napolean's footsteps and blown his Bonaparte!
June 29, 2009 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Is he poking his spirtual advisor too?
June 29, 2009 at 11:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
The amount of christian nutjobbery in our state "leadership" saddens me. Why don't we just have him and Andre have a trial by combat to see who will be the governor - God's will be done, His holy spirit will strengthen the hand of his chosen one and smite the unworthy! Amen.
June 30, 2009 at 4:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
****Posted by TheFamilyValueParty on June 29, 2009 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
eyfigueroa- Everyone on here knows you're a POS hoax. Puta madre.****
ROFL!!!!
June 30, 2009 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
eyfig, I think someone felt a little left out because you didn't address him. LOL!
June 30, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mon_Kie (anonymous) says...
That's funny yird, quoting the Bible only proves I can read, it doesn't make me a philosopher. I was merely pointing out a verse Sanford might want to meditate upon.
July 2, 2009 at 12:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sassy (anonymous) says...
Warren Culbertson needs to stop trying to make himself God. He is the spiritual darkness that's gripped the Sanford's marriage, Yes, Culbertson traveled to New York with Sanford, and he did meet Sanford's soul mate there. Culbertson has been a thorn in the Sanford marriage, instead of warning Sanford because of his sin against Holy God, he should Resign as Governor of S.C. Instead he tells Sanford, God didn't remove King David after he sinned with Bathsheba, so he should not resign. However, he never warned Sanford of the Judgment of God upon David's Household because of his sin. 11Samuel chapters 12-13
July 4, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hartley8184 (anonymous) says...
Eyfigueroa,
You were a little harsh on theronce. He didn't deserve to be spoken to that way.
All that aside, Christians are not obligated to observe the Judaic religious traditions, such as abstaining from shellfish. Neither does the Bible assert that women are subservient to men. What the Bible does assert is that the man is the head of the house in the marriage. But neither does that mean the woman is a piece of property. Even Old Testament Jews didn't have that viewpoint.
You will have a hard time finding any culture that expands the rights and privileges of women to any greater extent than does the Jewish community. Or the Judeo Christian culture.
July 7, 2009 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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