Sanford fallout seen as severe, with long-lasting effects
By Robert Behre , Schuyler Kropf
As much as the mavericks saw Mark Sanford as a Republican star of the future, was Wednesday's news conference his political swan song?
There's little doubt that Sanford's 2012 presidential ambitions are over. The question now is: Can he weather the storm, remain in office and effectively represent the state?
The Post and Courier
Gov. Mark Sanford takes the oath for his second term in office as his son Blake holds the Bible as his other sons (from left) Marshall, Landon and Bolton look on during the Inaugural ceremony Jan. 10, 2007. Sanford's admission of an extramarital affair likely will injure his credibility with the public.
Those who've worked in previous gubernatorial administrations say the fallout from Sanford's bizarre Appalachian Trail hike-turned-Argentine tango will be significant, long-lasting and extended.
"He's damaged the government's part of this crisis," said Bob McAlister, former chief of staff to Gov. Carroll A. Campbell Jr.
A huge credibility gap — one Sanford allowed to linger for days — now exists throughout the administration. It will prompt every trooper, teacher, bureaucrat and voter to reassess anything Sanford says or does. It could affect a business sector leader's decisions to meet with him.
"Sanford is a lot of things, but I would never figure him for a Romeo," said Francis Marion University political scientist Neal Thigpen, who follows Republican politics. "Now he's not even a lame duck — he's a dead duck. He's kind of a sad character."
By all accounts, Sanford broke a cardinal sin of leadership: allowing his staff to tell the press corps and the people of South Carolina a story he knew wasn't true, either making them part of the conspiracy or unwittingly making them part of a cover-up.
"He also took it upon himself to stop being governor" for a week while he was in Argentina, McAlister said. What's worse, Sanford will be seen as a hypocrite.
As a congressman, Sanford didn't hold back on House Speaker-designate Bob Livingston, R-La., after he admitted an affair in 1998. "The bottom line is Livingston lied," Sanford said at the time during an appearance on CNN. "He lied to his wife."
During former President Bill Clinton's scandal, Sanford chimed in, "I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). ... I come from the business side. ... If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he'd be gone."
Sanford said he was comfortable with his vote backing impeachment articles, calling Clinton's behavior "reprehensible."
Sanford's name was expected to surface more often this summer during talk of possible GOP White House contenders, or even as a leader helping to reshape its message. Now, the story of Sanford's disappearance is helping shape jokes about the Palmetto State.
"I think it is fair to say his 2012 White House hopes are dead," said University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato. "Americans will forgive a lot, as we have come to see. But what they won't forgive is an apparent dereliction of duty. Sanford was AWOL. If an emergency had happened, the governor could not have been reached. Staffers in the governor's office are no substitute for the elected head of government."
Sabato added, "There has been so much prevarication in this incident that I don't know how Sanford gets his credibility back. I believe he's headed for a nice long career in the private sector."
One big question will be how Sanford's confession affects the 2010 gubernatorial race. One of the Republican contenders, state Rep. Nikki Haley, R-Lexington, took Sanford's picture down from her Web site. "Obviously, the governor has fallen far short ...," she said, "and that is extremely unfortunate."
One Democratic gubernatorial hopeful, state Sen. Vincent Sheheen, D-Camden, said his prayers are with Sanford's family, adding, "This is an unfortunate distraction for our state, and we cannot afford to lose sight of the problems that desperately need to be addressed in South Carolina."
Reach Schuyler Kropf at 937-5551, or skropf@postandcourier.com. Reach Robert Behre at 937-5771 or at rbehre@postandcourier.com.
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AMAZING (anonymous) says...
"Now he's not even a lame duck - he's a dead duck".
Lets see, not only is he a "dead duck", but he is also a stupid,lying, no-good-for-nothing, pathetic loser duck.
If the duck acts stupid, is he a "stupid duck"?
Lets give Sanfraud the duck test.
If the duck lies, is he a "lying duck"?
If the duck has an affair, is he a "philandering duck"?
If the duck has an affair and he lies about, does that make him a "stupid","lying", "no-good-for-nothing", "pathetic loser duck"?
I say if he acts like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then we have one freakin' stupid duck on our hands!
June 25, 2009 at 1:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
realamerican (anonymous) says...
If Sanford does not follow his own advice to others who have been in a similar situation and resign he should be prepared to reap all the political bad will he has generated for the last 7 years.
A person of character would not drag his family through this. Of course no one is calling Sanford a person of character anymore are they?
Get Andre Bauer in so everyone can see what a total douchebag he is and we won't see his name on another ballot either.
I don't know who is more pitiful Sanford or the republican party who are reduced to fielding immoral and corrupt politicians who they know are morally and politically flawed. It would be nice if the republicans would just get it over with and die. The spectacle of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Fox trying to spin these jokers as serious politicians is getting to be to much to bear.
June 25, 2009 at 2:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sandy37 (anonymous) says...
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. Sanford has been following the directions of the National Republican Party (the stimulus) Who wins from his losses? Jeb Bush. Have you noticed that all the problems in the way of the other top contenders for 2012 are being eliminated and all over SEX. This is so OLD like Bush 41. Haven't we had enough disasters from the Bush family?
June 25, 2009 at 2:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oracle (anonymous) says...
realamerican..I agree with your statement. Let's get rid of these Democrats who are immoral and corrupt...lets get rid of Barney Frank..he had a prostitution ring in his basement and lied about his involvement with Freddie and Fannie.Ted Kennedy because he killed a woman while on a drunken binge.Bill Clinton because he lied to America about his affair or affairs;you choose.John Edwards because of his affair( cheating on a dying woman...he's truly evil).Eliot Spitzer who used prostitutes and cheated on his wife.Jesse Jackson for his affair and the fathering of a child out of wedlock.Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa who had an affair.San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom who admitted to having an affair,at least it was with a woman!Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick who had an extramarital affair with his chief of staff.Florida U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney who admitted he had an affair with an aide and it is reported paid her $121,000 to keep her quiet and avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit.
Dang...I'm tired of writing; there are dozens more these Democrats but I guess you get the picture that the Republicans don't share the pedestal of adultery alone!
So realamerican...how's your character?
June 25, 2009 at 2:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jacman (anonymous) says...
God bless the current group of " goofy " Republicans , they sure are making it easy for us Democrats !
June 25, 2009 at 3:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pirate42 (anonymous) says...
LOL politicians got a heavy weight and a big ocean tie them all to it drop them in... where is the ordinary joes that want to get to the white house anymore nowhere they all have to connected to dam politicians or lawyers...
June 25, 2009 at 4:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kath21445 (anonymous) says...
Once upon a time when I was quite naive, I refused to vote for a local politician of my usual party because I knew he was unfaithful to his wife. My statement then was "If you cannot be faithful to the person you vowed faithfulness to, how can you be counted on to be faithful to the public?" Years later, I feel the same, but, wonder if there are any politicians who fill the bill.
June 25, 2009 at 4:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
we republicans stopped having a party a long time ago...
it's past time to create a new party, one that's actually for the people by the people... with normal joe's running it instead of all these rich spoiled pukes that run around doing whatever they want when they want thinking they can "sorry" their way out of everything
we all need someone in touch with the reality most of us live in... dems and repubs alike... we need to get rid of all the kennedy's and bush's, and find some regular old smiths or jones for office... our next door neighbor's...
they are "sorry" all right, and so are we... sorry we voted for them...
June 25, 2009 at 5:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
He'll certainly need to resign from his office. Anything less will be blatant hypocrisy.
June 25, 2009 at 5:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spengler (anonymous) says...
C-in-C of the State goes AWOL. He has to be releived of duty. The woman is a distraction on this point. He must resign.
June 25, 2009 at 5:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tues_nite (anonymous) says...
Oracle, Your mad as hell, are you not?Just because our governor is a flake. LOL
June 25, 2009 at 5:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
realamerican (anonymous) says...
Posted by Oracle
So realamerican...how's your character?
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My morals are fine. How about yours?
Of course neither of us are portraying ourselves as a bible thumping governor of South Carolina.
I find it amusing you fail to see the difference between republicans and democrats when it comes to infidelity. While always distasteful surely even you must notice it is republicans who want to control others behavior or to tell others how to live. The "christian conservatives" would even put their religious views into law if allowed. These self appointed religious guardians of the peoples morality seem to be the worst abusers when it comes to adultery and other perversions they rail against.
Sanford and those like him hold themselves up as paragons of virtue. It is only right that when they transgress and are caught they face stronger scrutiny and disdain.
June 25, 2009 at 5:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
steve (anonymous) says...
My father-in-law asked a great question last night: "I wonder which gay couple broke up Mark & Jenny's marriage?" Because we know that as far as the GOP is concerned in this State gays and lesbians are the root of all heterosexual marriages failing.
Kick the bum and Lady Macbeth out!
June 25, 2009 at 6:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spengler (anonymous) says...
Democrats don't defend morals because they have none. Their God is Karl Marx and their communion is abortion at the altar of Humanism. If Sanford was a democrat he'd have been caught with another guy or a horsey. Then he would have been promoted.
June 25, 2009 at 6:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teesa (anonymous) says...
Now is the time to step back for a moment. We have 2 issues here.
First, his personal life.
Though many of us are upset and angry, I'm sure his family is even more so. We need to give them a chance to absorb this and let them move forward with their dignity and restart their lives. His wife and children deserve our respect for their privacy. We voted them into the spotlight, its the least we can do.
Second, his political life.
Unfortunately he did everything that he has spent years saying was wrong. Lead by example shall never be said again. This man lied, possibly had his staff lie, his secret detail lie and so on. His credibility as an honest person who should be there to represent the people of South Carolina is shattered. He needs to step down with the small amount of dignity that remains and let the state of South Carolina starting their own healing process.
June 25, 2009 at 6:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GAL2000 (anonymous) says...
Posted by: kath21445, I agree with your statement in your post. I was thinking of a similar statement just as you posted.
June 25, 2009 at 6:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
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June 25, 2009 at 6:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
Im sue he was at the mansion last night writing that resignation speech. He cannot possibly stay in office at this point. The state newspaper ROCKS...good investigative reporting.
June 25, 2009 at 6:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
upstateislander (anonymous) says...
tsk, tsk, tsk........dear ole guv......so disappointed.....adultery? What about principles taught to you by your father? Well it is what it is......
Time to zip up the old Blackberry, make the rounds at the mansion and say your goodbyes and offer apologies(I'm sure everyone will really feel how heartfelt they area coming from you now).
I believe the fat lady is singing and the clock on the wall is now officially showing the big hand is on top of the little hand.......your 15 minutes are officially up!
Don't give up guv......even though the Wall Street Journal Op-Eds are out of reach now, Sunday morning National TV is a thing of the past......there's life after secret sex in another hemisphere.
Just think....in a few months...marbe you can walk into the welcome arms of Mike Huckabee on Saturday nights(FOX still loves ya), mornings with Regis, afternoons with Oprah and Dr. Phil. Who knows, I bet even Ellen DeGeneres and the girls on "The View" can't wait to get their hands on you!
Ironic isn't it guv? Infidelity opens so many doors!
So long Guv........we're gonna miss you!
June 25, 2009 at 7:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
I have absolutely no respect for this man now as a man. He also lost any moral authority to lead. He should resign or be removed. Having stated my position that is consistent with any political figure, let me caution some of you full flavor dems that many of you fought tooth and nail successfully to save a similar immoral leader in the late 90's. So, you have to realize that, while I do support your call for the gov's removal and for his public condemnation, I do not buy your hypocritical holier than thou remarks. That becomes nauseating as well. Take a stance like your gubernatorial candidate as stated at the end of the story. That is proper and to his credit.
June 25, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
captivated (anonymous) says...
No, Governor Sanford. I will not accept your apology. However, I will accept your resignation.
June 25, 2009 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
Thanks Mark! Another black eye for the Republican party. Now nothing will stand in Comrade Obama's and the other bed wetting liberals way of bankrupting the country and driving it more towards socialism. When will I be issued my sickle and hammer?
Going forward Mark's response to any question over this situation should be "that depends on what your definition of the word "is" is". It worked well for Clinton.
June 25, 2009 at 7:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Liberals_Are_Maroons (anonymous) says...
Posted by realamerican on June 25, 2009 at 2:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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Hey, look what crawled out from under a rock, our resident troll realamerican!!!!
Are you ready to tell us the name of the business you claim to own?
June 25, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
I'm now intrigued with with this woman "Maria." Who is she? I have visions of Helen of Troy, Evita Peron, Cleopatra and Delilah to.
Come on P&C. who is she??????
June 25, 2009 at 7:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ms_lady2u (anonymous) says...
Now that I'm caught, and only because I was caught, I'm
truly, truly, truly "BLINK" sorry. Did i say i was a born again christan and Republican.
June 25, 2009 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/24...
Lilly Collette, June 25th, 2009 8:04 am ET
When Mark Sanford was first running for governor he was duly informed and warned about criminal acts of misconduct by officers of the family court. The family court was indeed no more than a criminal industry. Sanford had people believing that he would look into the matter upon election.
Perhaps Jenny Sanford will give Mark cause to remember some empty promises there.
June 25, 2009 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Liberals_Are_Maroons (anonymous) says...
Posted by upstateislander on June 25, 2009 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tsk, tsk, tsk........dear ole guv......so disappointed.....adultery? What about principles taught to you by your father? Well it is what it is......
Time to zip up the old Blackberry, make the rounds at the mansion and say your goodbyes and offer apologies(I'm sure everyone will really feel how heartfelt they area coming from you now).
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Jan. 26, 1998: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
Aug. 17, 1998: "Indeed I did have a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible."
I'm sorry, but my memory isn't what it used to be... can someone please help me recall what happened to Bill Clinton after he fessed up after months of lying about it?
Didn't he immediately resign?
June 25, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
IValueU (anonymous) says...
As sad as the situation is, more equally sad is many of those who stand in judgment will never be judged for their unrevealed transgressions in a public forum for on going relationships with prostitutes and casual one night stands. Who among you can stand up to the public scrutiny?
June 25, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ms_lady2u (anonymous) says...
The problem is not so much the lying and the adultery BUT the way he so piously condemned others over the years, the holier than thou attitude, condescending to others who were not as righteous as he and claiming to be closer to Jesus than the rest of us !
So much for the sanctity of marriage, huh?
June 25, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Posted by IValueU on June 25, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As sad as the situation is, more equally sad is many of those who stand in judgment will never be judged for their unrevealed transgressions in a public forum for on going relationships with prostitutes and casual one night stands. Who among you can stand up to the public scrutiny?
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Not me. I like whores, gambling and recreational drugs too much.
June 25, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
SECTION 16-15-60. Adultery or fornication.
Any man or woman who shall be guilty of the crime of adultery or fornication shall be liable to indictment and, on conviction, shall be severally punished by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five hundred dollars or imprisonment for not less than six months nor more than one year or by both fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court.
SECTION 16-15-70. "Adultery" defined.
"Adultery" is the living together and carnal intercourse with each other or habitual carnal intercourse with each other without living together of a man and woman when either is lawfully married to some other person.
June 25, 2009 at 8:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
Posted by theronce on June 25, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Having stated my position that is consistent with any political figure, let me caution some of you full flavor dems that many of you fought tooth and nail successfully to save a similar immoral leader in the late 90's. So, you have to realize that, while I do support your call for the gov's removal and for his public condemnation, I do not buy your hypocritical holier than thou remarks.
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I like your statement, but I have not read anything from a Dem on this board that says their holier then thou. But if you read some of the repub's comments, you will realize those republicans still think there holier then THOU!!!!!!! Especially the ones that keep claiming Dems have no morals and Republicans still do. ha ha ha
June 25, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southerngrace (anonymous) says...
it isn't like he made a habit of running around on her. I think there is a difference in your oridnary ho'dog and when stuff happens. he fessed up, let's move on. he isn't the 1st man and there are worse things he be or could have done...he could be stupid like john graham altman.
June 25, 2009 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
will the last republican standing, please turn the light out when you leave.
There is one word that will decide who will have the GOP nomination in '12- default.
June 25, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
NOt only did he break his vows....he BROKE the LAW!
June 25, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
So much for the whole he is a governor that stands bye his principles argument. If he doesn't resign, that argument is blown out the window!
I guess it is a classic case of "Do as I say, not as I do."
WHAT HYPOCRISY!!
June 25, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
R_U_Kidding_Me (anonymous) says...
We have 2 separate issues. Cheating on his wife is a personal matter between them. They can work it out or call it quits but that is their decision and should not effect us. Secondly and most importantly he was AWOL from the governors office. That is inexcusable and definitly grounds for dismissal. If he doesn't resign he should be thrown (literally) out of office.
just my thoughts....
June 25, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
Another "do as I say not as I do" politician. What I think is funny is all of the left wing bed wetting liberals posting here think their party is immune.
Talk about short term memory loss. Less they forget it was their savior who first got caught with his pants down.
These liberals should spend more time on their new savior "Obama" and his pursuit of bankrupting the country.
June 25, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
harold, I must admit, you are right on this one- and you handled it with dignity. Bravo.
I will definitely give compliments when they are warranted, but don't get used to it! :)
June 25, 2009 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
Oracle, et al, do you think maybe the answer lies in getting rid of all the male politicians? Just wondering . . .
June 25, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
I have agreed with the vast majority of the stances Sanford took on the issues he has addressed throughout his time as Governor. I don't really care about his marital issues or this affair. At least he didn't look the people of the United States in the eye, shake his finger and lie about the affair. What does bother me is that he grossly neglected his duties, and responsibilities, as our Governor. He left the state unannounced, without contact, and with, at best, vague and incorrect information about his intentions.
He needs to resign today.
My only fear is that now we will have no one in office to keep the idiots in our state legislature at least half way contained.
June 25, 2009 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCHoser (anonymous) says...
I just have a huge issue now with his credibility. As someone said once before, if you can't be faithful to someone you made vows to before God, who can you be faithful to? How can we believe anything that comes out of his mouth now? Trust is very hard to re-establish. And to the dems-just because you don't shout your moral standing from the rooftop doesn't mean you shouldn't have any. Some of you make it sound as if it is okay to be a liar and a cheater if you don't claim to have high morals. Also-I read some of the excerpts from the emails he sent-what a weirdo.
June 25, 2009 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCHoser (anonymous) says...
On the bright side, maybe he is getting all of his skeletons out of the closet now so they won't hurt him in '012? Just thinking outside the box a little.
June 25, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Coldbud,
He lied about his whereabouts repeatedly, his morals vociferously, his conduct insidiously, the objective for his state funded repeated trips to Argentina, criminally ....
So as long as he didn't lie about his "sexo con un bimbo de mimo del boob", you're cool with lying....
June 25, 2009 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TinaR (anonymous) says...
Dear Liberals_Are_Maroons.. the situation of Gov Sanford Vs. President Clinton is ever so slightly different. Infidelity on both parties... YES.... but abandoning ones job with no one left duly in charge only happened with Sanford.
Now, people will say.. oh but he was reachable.. Ummm no he wasn't. Even his staff did not have a clear understanding as to where he was and his cell phone was TURNED OFF.
Sure if watching the news in Argentina (highly doubtful) and he saw and emergency in SC, maybe he could have returned, but let's us remember that not that long ago, there was a MAJOR AIR DISASTER on an Air France flight with many lives lost. With no clear understanding of where our Gov was, in event of an emergency, there would be no guarantee that his flight home would not have had trouble, and to get the manifest of passengers names would have taken days if not weeks for the airline to release, and the State of SC would have been without proper leadership. For that... he should resign!
I don't care that he cheated on his wife just as I did not care about Clinton, what I as a person who voted for him twice as gov, and for him while in Congress care about is that he abandoned his job and but for his simple dislike of Bauer, he did not turn over power while he was gone, leaving us without a head of our State in event of an emergency.. he was just lucky that there was no emergency, otherwise he would be in deeper doo doo than he is currently.
June 25, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
In 1959, I did make a preemptive remark for statements that sooner or later will come. I couldn't agree more with you that the dem-lites also have additional hypocrites. My observations, possibly simply confirming my tendencies, leads me to see that the full flavor dems tend to be more of the no solid moral absolutes (therefore all moralities are equal) until a dem-lite falters and then take on the same mantel as the dem-lites in condemning the fallen dem-lite then take off that mantel for their own immoral leaders.
June 25, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slr456 (anonymous) says...
It's been going on for years, Democrat and Republican...if their wife can't trust them, then why should I.
June 25, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
onawhim (anonymous) says...
Jenny, welcome to the ranks of many other women (and men) who have gone through what you are going through right now. Some more than once, in hopes of reconciliation and change. Your marriage will never be the same. Never. The trust is completely gone and it takes years to gain it back. Here's a bit of unsolicited advice ... once a cheater, always a cheater. Get out while you can, before the hurt and pain multiply. And, on the bright side, YOU 'BOUT TO GET PAID!!
June 25, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pete1957 (anonymous) says...
The difference between Clinton and Gov. Mark Sanford is simple.
The Gov has come clean publicly and not through a spokesperson.
Clinton to this day denies and lies!!!!!
Not that the guv did something we can look the other way, but he came clean. I don't believe Clinton did the same to the country except try to hide under the cover of how to define some small word. He probably apologized to his wife in private, but not publicly, and that was to stay in office.
It took a real man to fess up and apologize, publicly.
By the way, I am a Democrat.
June 25, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
Man I can not believe I am going to agree with realunamerican, but here goes;
Posted by realamerican on June 25, 2009 at 5:59 a.m. "These self appointed religious guardians of the peoples morality seem to be the worst abusers when it comes to adultery and other perversions they rail against.
Sanford and those like him hold themselves up as paragons of virtue. It is only right that when they transgress and are caught they face stronger scrutiny and disdain."
That is the issue when it comes to hypocrisy. Most Republicans stand for moral/family values, when they do this crap they become easy targets. For democrats, adultrey and lying are resume enhancers, as someone posted yesterday.
June 25, 2009 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
R_U_Kidding_Me (anonymous) says...
How about this idea... Limit all elected officials to one term in office and you cannot run for office while in office. In other words, you serve one term and then return to the private sector. Then you can campaign for election to another position. This does away with the professional politition. Which is just another name for crook (regardless of party). This would also mean that an elected official will serve his full term instead of spending half of it campaining for reelection. I know this is extreme but think about it for awhile...
just my thoughts ( and ramblings)...
June 25, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
Lib are Maroons: I think you really need to give that employment thing a rest concerning realamerican.
I mean come on, would you post on here your place of work? How about your home address?
Give it a rest.
June 25, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
BTW, despite what was said about Clinton, and his 'personal' goings on with Monica and it not affecting his job. I will not take the weak position of the left during Clintons time in office.
There is a reason, that this type of behavior is illegal in the military, it can jeopardize a member's security clearance, because of threat of blackmail.
I think character does matter and Sanford should resign.
June 25, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
I totally agree that Sanford should resign. However, then we get Bauer. Be careful what you ask for...
June 25, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
realamerican (anonymous) says...
Posted by Liberals_Are_Maroons on June 25, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by realamerican on June 25, 2009 at 2:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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Hey, look what crawled out from under a rock, our resident troll realamerican!!!!
Are you ready to tell us the name of the business you claim to own?
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Why sure! Post your name and number and I will give you a call and let you know where to come for a very special reception I will prepare just for you.
June 25, 2009 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCHoser (anonymous) says...
I love the statement Thug-character does matter! Some people may resign themselves to not care about it and it is okay if they are mislead and lied to, maybe that is what they are used to and accept it.I do not-I fully expect truth honesty and veracity from people in general, but am not surprised by the lack of it in politicians. Not sure when people settled for less, but for some reason many or ok with it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
combahee (anonymous) says...
This isn't about the Dems vs the Republicans. This isn't about Clinton, or Frank or Ensign.
This is about our Governor, how he governs, and his credibility as Governor.
This is about his moral fiber to lead this state.
This is about his commitment to South Carolina.
When you run for office you are and should be held to a higher standard. In addition Mr. Sanford held himself even higher as a moral compass for the citizens of this state and the country.
In all of these respects he has failed. He has fail in any number of ways. He has shown disregard for his family and for his State.
My heart goes out for his family, they are the ultimate victims.
Stop bring up other politicians. Stop trying to make this a conservative vs liberal fight, This isn't a football game. This situation should be looked at as a singular event.
June 25, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BZ (anonymous) says...
If Gov. Sanford was not able to perform because of his personal actions, is he returning the portion of his salary back to the state. It seems that this would be fair considering the other state employees who were forced to take reduction in pay due to the budget
June 25, 2009 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ashleyatwork (anonymous) says...
Good point Chicago
Hows this gonna affect his military status?
Other than honorable discharge?
June 25, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Name_Withheld (anonymous) says...
How many of your tax dollars did he spend on the Argentina Trail? Indictment time.
June 25, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
Sanford did nothing wrong in what people call abandoning his post. Why do you think McConnell is pushing forth legislation for a Constitutional change to force the Governor to let someone outside the staff know when there is a trip outside of the state? Currently there are no provisions to stop any Governor from just taking an excursion with family or mistress or heck even both if they are into that.
His other problem is something he and his wife need to work out. But I can already see it now. If I was to drive by their house on the island, I would be willing to bet there are some bloodsucking paparazzi idiots camped outside the driveway; Salivating at the mouth waiting for to opportunity to pounce on the wife and or kids with a barrage of questions that will drive the kids literally to a therapist later on. But then again all of you Sanford haters from before this unfolded are probably salivating already and waiting in line to get your copy of the enquirer. Perhaps you can put it next to the copy of the one you have when Clinton was caught lying to the country about his relationships!
a comment says 'he broke the law': Did you know that some driving infractions carry the same fines in SC? Let's go through and kick everyone out that has broken any law and see where we are. What is sad about the law mentioned, it says he could go to jail for what he did, but the veto overturned by the 'so called leadership' in Columbia now gives child molesters much less time.
June 25, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
Posted by theronce on June 25, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I totally agree that Sanford should resign. However, then we get Bauer. Be careful what you ask for...
You're right, because the majority of voters in this state KNEW about Andre Bauer's run in with the law! They had the opportunity to VOTE HIM OUT, but no, he's a REPUBLICAN with an R behind his name! Unfortunately, that's the mentality of most S.C. voters, and we wonder why we're considered a JOKE. I'm sorry, he's another outstanding role model citizen with deeply rooted christian values also. You're right @theronce, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR!
June 25, 2009 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joldham (anonymous) says...
I FEEL SORRY FOR MARK SANFORD. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HE'S GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW BUT HE IS ANOTHER ONE CAUGHT UP IN THE POLITICAL NIGHTMARE. AT LEAST HE DIDN'T TRY TO DENY IT OR LIE LIKE THE REST (BILL CLINTON), AND HE WAS STRAIGHT FORWARD AND PUBLIC WITH HIS ADMISSION. HE MIGHT HAVE TOLD THE PUBLIC MORE THAN WE WANTED OR NEEDED TO HEAR. SOME OF THIS STUFF IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS (INFIDELITY) AND SOME IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO HIS JOB PERFORMANCE (GOING AWAY AND NOT LETTING ANYONE KNOW OR HAVE A PHONE NUMBER TO CONTACT HIM). I FAULT HIM FOR THE WAY HE HANDLED THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND AS FAR AS HIS INFIDELITY, WHAT'S NEW, IT'S ALMOST PART OF THE RESUME TO APPLY TO BE A POLITICIAN ANYMORE.. THERE ARE MORE UNFAITHFUL PEOPLE IN POLITICS THAN ANY WHERE ELSE. AS LONG AS HE TAKES CARE OF HIS RESPONSIBILITIES AS GOVERNOR HE CAN KEEP HIS PERSONAL LIFE TO HIMSELF. WE ALL NEED TO STAY OUT OF HIS PERSONAL LIFE BECAUSE CONTRARY TO A LOT OF BELIEFS FLOATING AROUND, IT IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. HE IS A HUMAN AS WELL AS A POLITICIAN. THE ONLY THING HE HAS TO PUT UP WITH NOW IS BEING IN THE NEWS FOR A FEW DAYS UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE TAKES HIS PLACE IN THE NEWS.
June 25, 2009 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joldham (anonymous) says...
ALL OF THESE COMMENTS DEMANDING THE GOVERNOR'S RESIGNATION SHOULD BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WE CAN BE AS EASILY THROWN TO WOLVES AS THE GOVERNOR. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE THROWERS.
IF YOU LIVE A PERFECT LIFE THEN YOU CAN CONDEMN HIM BUT THERE ARE NONE OF US PERFECT...LET HIM DO HIS JOB AND LIVE WITH WHAT HE'S DONE. THERE IS NO ONE WANTING HIS JOB THAT CAN DO ANY BETTER. NO ONE!!!!!
June 25, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
dude...take off the all-caps.
June 25, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Charleston1960& Joldham,
The Lovenor lied, and he's a hypocrit, sorry, bringing up someones else's transgressions (Clinton) isn't going to change that fact.
Face it boys, your bromance is over, he's left you for a chica.....
June 25, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Ionoclast (anonymous) says...
Comparing Sanford to Clinton is apples to oranges.
Comparing Sanford to Spitzer is more appropriate, as both were governors.
"SECTION 16-15-60. Adultery or fornication.
Any man or woman who shall be guilty of the crime of adultery or fornication shall be liable to indictment and, on conviction, shall be severally punished by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five hundred dollars or imprisonment for not less than six months nor more than one year or by both fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court."
Sorry, Luna, but pointing to arcane laws that enforce biblical morality when not everyone is a biblical follower and that rarely exist among other states for that very reason is hardly an endorsement. The LAST thing we need is more government in our bedrooms based on the teachings one ONE religion.
June 25, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
jold...you forget one MAJOR difference between Sanford and us- he is an elected official, paid by state tax payers to represent us. We are not. Thus he should (and is) being held to a much higher standard.
June 25, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kcurry500 (anonymous) says...
Gover no Sanford "Sand Foot"
South Carolina thought governor Sanford was the man with the plan But he has his head and his foot in the sand. A governor is suppose to help the people however he or she can. But he told the people talk to the hand because the face doesn't understand. He don't have a clue on what to do and he wants to run for president! He don't know how to take care of his own residents.
He got Vietnams vets living in tents and nurses and teachers cant pay the rent. Police and firemen can't fix a dent because he don't want to accept the stimulus check. And get all of us out this train wreck. People can't even afford Trident Tech. He don't understand this crazy effect. Some people have to live check to check. We are the talk of the town Because our schools are all rundown kids walkin around with a frown. Hopefully we can turn this around because people are struggling and drug Smuggling I don't excuse any crime but I understand because it's hard times And it's messing up people's minds.
I'm a Quadriplegic and my heart is bleeding because my parents Have to work so hard
Because he is playing this politic card. We all have to pray Because it's so damn hard. I'm sorry he made me cuss Because I'm ready to fuss because of all this disgust That stimulus check is a must. Do for me and you Even Winnie the Pooh and Scooby Doo and for teachers to stay in school People are stealing and robbing banks and don't know how to think People are killing their family & friends 'cause they don't know how to cope til The end.
Governor Sanford is relaxing in his mansion Knowing he's gonna get a pension while other people have tension In their life, breaking up husbands and wives, going through all this stress As the President tries to fix this mess, the President is trying to help But Governor Sanford is trying to tie us down with his belt He must be smoking weed like Michael Phelps All he is thinking about is himself because he is out in left field Playing Deal or No Deal, playing with people's meal He is a liar and playing with fire. Rolling over people like a tire When he was first running, he said he would cut out property tax All he's done was drop his ax and raised tax to the max. And he has no one's back and that's a fact, so hit the road, Jack
June 25, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
lono>
i agree with your point about the laws. True the Government needs to stay out of the bedrooms.
Clinton started his affairs when he was a Governor. (Ms Jones) He just used the lawyer way to get through it by an out of court settlement or hush money if one wants to call it that.
June 25, 2009 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCHoser (anonymous) says...
That is where I think you and many other are wrong vmirat90-public office or not, people in general should hold morals and value, be truthful and faithful. It is a sad day when we don't expect truth and honesty from others, no matter what station you have in life. Think about it-where do our politicians come from? The general population. Don't settle for less or expect more because of a tittle or money.
kcurry-you are in serious need of therapy.
June 25, 2009 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
SCHoser, I am totally with you. I fully expect the truth from people that I meet daily and give it in return. From time to time, I am burned. I laugh at my gullibility, but I prefer to expect the truth and act accordingly. However, once that trust is compromised, I cannot seem to return to that same level of trust. I expect the same from the leaders in my life. As leaders, I expect that they not only act honorably but appear to act honorably. Once they knowingly break that trust, then I recommend their resignation as untrustworthy to lead.
June 25, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
twa (anonymous) says...
He apologized so let's "MOVE ON".
He went on vacation, a little less than honest in his final destination and should of told the gov he was going on holiday.
HE SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I.e. Clinton, Kennedy.
HE SEEMS TO BE OF THE SAME CUT.
June 25, 2009 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
iceman1978 (anonymous) says...
I never held it against Bill Clinton when he had his fling with Monica, and I don't hold this against Mark Sanford. Unless you're married to the guy, this isn't anyone's business.
June 25, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
If Sanford could've ran again for govenor, the sad reality is the people in this state would vote to RE-ELECT him! We only have 2010 to look forward to. We'll either have Andre Bauer or Henry McMaster guaranteed! We'll be GUARANTEED another four years of being a JOKE! Let the embarrassment continue! When will the citizens of this state ever learn?
Come on S.C., we DESERVE better, we can DO better!
June 25, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
The most telling thing to come from this whole mess pretty much sums up the differences between a liberal and a conservative. If you're a liberal you can have a gay lover that you appoint to a lucrative government job and that lover can run a lending institution into the ground until it takes billions of tax payer dollars to bail it out and your promoted to party leadership. If you're a liberal you can cheat on your wife and kill the woman you cheat with, walk free and become the respected face of the party. If your a conservative and cheat on your wife you need to be tarred and feathered and banished from the kingdom. It's easy to see who makes the rules. Go figure!
June 25, 2009 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ladybug1 (anonymous) says...
These comments are interesting. As a reminder- a few years ago the esteemed superintendent of schools here did something similar: broke up a marriage, got pregnant, finally married the babe's father. and then moved across the country. So it happens. Yes, he needs to resign and get his house in order. I am glad I did not cast my vote for him.
June 25, 2009 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hipchick (anonymous) says...
Thank you crankyyankee, well spoken. And to kcurry500, i hope you thank the gov when you put your "rap" to music & make millions off his grief...if you haven't noticed, Washington DC preys on the ALL the people & gets away with it...DAILY
June 25, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
kcurry500, Interesting, do you always write in rimes? I would like to see it in verse form.
June 25, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MANDO (anonymous) says...
You whining socialists, zip it.
Sanford supporters: SANFORD 2012!
Mr. and Mrs. Mark and Maria (yes Maria) Sanford still have a chance to fix Obama's damage. When you lose your job, recession-- when I lose my job, depression-- when Obama loses his, recovery.
One Big A** Mistake America!
June 25, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
I wish nothing better for the Sanfrauds than they fully experience all the family court oppression that helpless victims have been forced to suffer.
(Oooo, maybe their case will even make it to the CHARLESTON COUNTY family court.)
June 25, 2009 at 1:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
I don't think a 40 year old woman is a "chica." That really means a fresh, young girl. I'm not sure if people in Argentina would choose to call a woman of that age, no matter how attractive, una chica.
June 25, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
Thanks to Robert Behre for writing this story.
June 25, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
cranky, that's not true. Ask Spitzer how all that worked out for him.
June 25, 2009 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Vmirat, whats not true? That Barney Frank and his lover bilked the taxpayers out of billions or that Teddy murdered his date? Sanford's dalliances seem tame when compared to the Dems!
June 25, 2009 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
You are either delusional or ignorant if you think this is a liberal thing..come on, man! Wake up and stop taking your marching orders from Rush and Hannity. There are just as many cheaters and thieves on the right side as the left side of the Congressional aisle...
you really don't want me to list all of the republicans indiscretions, do you?
June 25, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
...and it also seems like you are justifying what Sanford did...I actually voted for him twice, so don't paint me as someone who's out to get him.
This goes beyond party lines- There are just as many pervs, cheaters, and thieves in the democratic party as in the republican party. To think otherwise is stupidy.
June 25, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
MANDO...Sanford supporters? All 5 of them??
June 25, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TinaR (anonymous) says...
This is NOT a republican or democrat issue. Does not matter if you like President Obama or not, if if you think that Mrs. Obama is pretty or not.... It is an issue of a man that cheated on his wife (Happens all the time). That issue is for them to resolve. The bigger issue is what he did to the state of SC, by lying to constituents, using taxpayer monies to further his affair, and leaving us without a leader of the state (no matter how short the time.) The man is still lying to the people of the state of SC. If he left to go to Argentina, how exactly did the SLED vehicle that he was driving when he went off radar end up at the Atlanta airport.. did it drive itself? Please!
June 25, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TinaR (anonymous) says...
Meant to say If he left on his flight to Argentina from the Columbia Airport.. who did the SLED vehicle he was driving end up at the Atlanta airport.
June 25, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
thanks, Tina...that is what I have been trying to say as well.
June 25, 2009 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MANDO (anonymous) says...
All seriousness, I don't see how this is any more damaging than any other affair that has been admitted. He didn't commit perjury or obstruct justice. Just let him pay his $100 fine and move on. This news will be old hat a week after her picture surfaces.
June 25, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
I havent been on here for months but The first comment has me dieing laughing!!!LOL-Stupid Duck!!!
June 25, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
signseeker17 (anonymous) says...
Anyone know why The State had those love e-mails since DECEMBER, but are just NOW releasing them?
Yes, let's move on...and OUT. Stick a fork in 'im - he's done.
June 25, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ashleyatwork (anonymous) says...
UPDATE
Her photos can be seen at www.newsbizarre.com
or google CHAPUR and go to that link
there are 4 or 5 pics of her
June 25, 2009 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
smp (anonymous) says...
those few people who think this is about sex...again...pay attention.
YOu would not be able to hold your job at MCDONALDS with this type of behavior. If you left your post at the french fry machine to go to argentina for 7 days to see your mistress...i am sorry...you would NOT have a job!
So why will I not hold the top leader of our state to the same level of responsibility that I would hold a fryer of french fries?
June 25, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
signseeker17 (anonymous) says...
And I don't think McD would PAY for your tripS...(this wasn't the only one). He wouldn't take stimulus money to help his state, but he'd take YOUR money to see his mistress...my, my...
June 25, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
With all that is going on in his personal life, do anyone honestly think he will be able to "work?"
I honestly think he will not be able to get anything done, his character will be trashed, reporters would want to know about his personal life and not about politics. I feel sorry for his wife and kids!
I think he needs to resign to get his head right.
June 25, 2009 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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