Zumalt joins call for reform

KidYendor (anonymous) says...

This is the problem. Our politicians and police chiefs will not put tough pressure on Washington to enforce immigration laws in effect and send illegals away. They want to give in by letting illegals stay here and assimilate with "reform". "Reform" is another word for amnesty. The victims are U.S. citizens who lose work to illegal aliens working under the table and pay for their healthcare and welfare. Jony Z. needs to get in the press and say N.Charleston will not be a sanctuary city and that illegals exist here at their own risk instead of calling for "refoooorrrrmmmmmm". America is just not tough anymore and that is why the world laughs at us. Jony needs to tell illegals to get out of Dodge.

June 12, 2009 at 12:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

"they should be prosecuted just like anyone else and deported, but if they're victims of crime, they should receive the same investigative support that anyone else would receive. The problem is, they won't talk to us."

So wait - this should apply to any other criminals who are victimes of crimes then too, right? Drug dealers should be coddled so that they will feel comfortable talking to the police if they are robbed, correct?

OF COURSE NOT!

You hunt down and arrest drug dealers, but you also investigate and arrest those who murder or rob them.

Similarly, you need to hunt down and arrest illegal immigrants and also investigate and arrest those who murder or rob them.

Don't expect CRIMINALS to cooperate with the police. They won't and they never have.

Zumalt - I don't live in North Charleston, which is fortunate for me because I have ZERO confidence in you.

June 12, 2009 at 1:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Vtel (anonymous) says...

Here is a reason I think we must give second chance to Illegal immigrants....

I agree with everyone that says people who come to USA without Visa or overstay their visa break immigration laws of our country. They must be punished for that. But don't u think coming to USA walking those miles in killer & lonely desert itself is punishment. working in farms, construction, restaurants and factories like slaves is punishment, living without any rights or driving license is punishment.... I guess we have punished them a lot. They do deserve better life after scarifying so much, its not that they are here for fun, they come here for better life for themselves and their kids just like our Great grandparents did for us.

Even a hardcore criminals like bank robbers, rapist and con-artist are given Second chance after serving 3-4 years in prison. I guess a life of illegal is worse then being in prison. While working, undocumented workers endure unfair treatment and wages because they fear being fired or reported to immigration or cops.

Just like every other criminal they too deserve a second chance, or we just want to keep them as slaves forever

June 12, 2009 at 5:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Tides (anonymous) says...

The bottom line here is, government has failed "we the people" on every single avenue. Our elected leaders make all these law and nothing is done about these MILLIONS of criminal aliens running wild and free everywhere you look.

People are sick and tired of this cesspool and look down upon law enforcement and politicians. Worthless, I say. Simply worthless crooks.

June 12, 2009 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillycollette (anonymous) says...

I happen to agree with Zumalt.

PS:// There is no job opening or applications being accepted for people to-LIKE-me or my opinions. Have a nice day.

June 12, 2009 at 7:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

The rationale of defending the illegals is the impetus for this reform. Being somewhat defenseless to an evil criminal element is another consequence of their illegal act of illegally sneaking into another country. I agree that no one should have to put up with that criminal element, but I would also at the same time think that the illegals would be the first in line to do something about it. Oh, yes, there are a lot of criminals involved here; don't forget the employer who knowingly hires the illegals. You lying employers just shut up before telling me that they have the papers. I can get papers saying I am a Martian; if they come here without a job, with basically nothing, and cannot speak the language, then your pea brain ought to tell you that their papers are lies.

June 12, 2009 at 7:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillycollette (anonymous) says...

LOL. I know some -- folks -- with impressive credentials and experience whose reading comprehension meter can drop to ZERO in less than 3 seconds-WHEN IT SUITS THEM.

June 12, 2009 at 7:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

lillyc, don't you know that "the measure of a man's intelligence is in how closely he agrees with you".

June 12, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Liberals_Are_Maroons (anonymous) says...

Posted by theronce on June 12, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lillyc, don't you know that "the measure of a man's intelligence is in how closely he agrees with you".
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Shhhh!!! At least s/he isn't prattling on and on about the family court system... again.

June 12, 2009 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

so you are saying you can't do your job? if they are illegals they should be arrested
selective law enforcement. no wonder no chas is a cesspool

June 12, 2009 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

issuetaker (anonymous) says...

"If I'm going to be asked by someone to step in and enforce immigration laws, those folks are going to hide from us and yet they're still going to be victimized. I'm not going to tolerate that."
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He must then tolerate federal criminals. He selects the criminals he'll arrest and who gets the pass. Other criminals hide too. They hunt them down. Afraid they won't talk, eh? Then save money and shutdown crimestoppers.

June 12, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mattcofc (anonymous) says...

I'm from Charleston, but currently live in Austin right now and the situation is downright dire. The city is filled with illegal immigrants, many of whom do not speak English. I had a friend get into a car wreck with an illegal. They smashed into the back of his car and then they all got out of the car, jumped into another truck and took off. I had one try to break in my car at my apartment complex (which is gated by the way). But you get a little distracted from trying to get into a vehicle, when the vehicle's owner is holding a pistol to your throat. The cops arrested the guy and I think they ended up holding him for a few months in jail while ICE dragged their feet. Eventually they cut the guy loose (which I'm not cool with) so they could reclaim jail space for violent criminals (which I'm cool with).

June 12, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...

California is nearly out of cash, yet when asked why the state continues to offer welfare asstistance to illegals, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, said he wouldnt stop the assistance.

In an Internet video interview of Gov. Schwarzenegger, Sacramento Bee columnist Daniel Weintraub read an e-mail question from "Stacey in Fremont":

"When are you going to address one of the reasons the state has been bled dry illegal immigration." Weintraub said "We're also hearing from a lot of people on that issue. "First of all, I think that is a myth," Schwarzenegger said. He then went on to say that "illegal immigrants" cost only $4 billion.

So we have gone from no taxpayer paid benefits for illegal aliens to $4 billion. Including counties and cities, the cost is probably much, much higher and the true cost, including the displacement of middle class Americans who are fleeing California, taking their tax generating capabilities with them, may never be known. Since Proposition 187 was killed by Gray Davis in 1999, illegal aliens have cost California taxpayers at least $50 billion and have essentially destroyed the state. This is not a myth."

http://americanpatrol.com/09-FEATURES...

Schwarzenegger : Illegal aliens not cause of California's budget woes

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/polit...

June 12, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...

"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's "happy" illegal immigrants get state services and says they're not to blame for California's $24.3 billion budget gap.

He noted the federal government requires California to provide emergency health care and education to illegal immigrants. And he says illegal immigrants often help pick the state's crops and construct its buildings."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/...

"And he says illegal immigrants often help pick the state's crops and construct its buildings." - this is the bigger picture for SC, illegals provide cheap labor. The companies hiring illegals should lose their business license and be fined and charged to help relocate the illegals.

June 12, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

abitskeptical (anonymous) says...

Lilly & I often do not agree on things, but she is right about the family court system & someone needs to "prattle on & on" about it. Ignoring the disasters & fiascoes perpetrated & perpetuated by this system will not make them go away.

I commend her for her diligence in bringing that issue to everyone's attention.

June 12, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

zekemire (anonymous) says...

The only reform needed is THE ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS!! ARREST, JAIL, THE DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS! THEY ARE CRIMINALS! THEY VIOLATE OUR BORDERS, OUR SOVREIGNTY, OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, OUR WELFARE SYSTEM AND OUR NATIONAL ECONOMY! GET RID OF THEM, QUIT LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE THEM LEGAL!!!

June 12, 2009 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dina123 (anonymous) says...

Have any of you ever thought about why there are undocumented immigrants in this country? Why don't you take a look at NAFTA and other international laws and policies the US has in place. The US has robbed many people of making a livelihood in their own country. The majority of these "illegals" come because they want a better life for their families as I would assume any of you would want for yours.

Educate yourselves. Don't forget where all of you came from (whether you like it or not, unless you are Native American, your relatives also were immigrants to this country).

June 12, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PoliGadfly (anonymous) says...

"We have the potential of losing the only witness who can provide the license plate of a kidnapper or a terrorist who might do harm to us," Acevedo said.
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If they can't speak English they won't be able to read the plate. What State's plate do you suppose they'll tell you was on the vehicle,through the additionally required resource of a Spanish speaking interpreter? The larger stake in stopping crime means stopping both your potential terrorist who is illegal as well as the potential "victim" who also is a law breaker. The guy that calls for help because someone jumped him and is also found in violation of other laws is arrested too, isn't he?
Put your "witness" in custody as a material witness, so he isn't "revictimized" by those who would terrorize him into not talking as they would any American citizen who is also subject to the same pressure.
Spend the time doing the job you are allowed to do under the present law instead of telling me why you can't.

June 12, 2009 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HighDef (anonymous) says...

why learn english if you're going to be sent back to Mexico ? We need a plan to get these illegals on the permanent tax roll.

June 12, 2009 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BlackReign (anonymous) says...

Posted by dina123 on June 12, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
' The majority of these "illegals" come because they want a better life for their families as I would assume any of you would want for yours.'

So we should just spit in the face of the millions of LEGAL immigrants that have come here legally, waited their turn, passed the Nationalization tests and swore an oath, and also spit in the face of the millions waiting to become citizens? Makes perfect sense if your think like a leftist.

June 12, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

how many americans are looking for jobs now. a lot of these jobs that illegals hold are higher paying jobs - not all are cutting grass. how many jobs are high school students losing over the summer to the illegals? -
every one that hires them should be fined. didn't dorchester county pass a law to enforce that? is anybody checking

June 12, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

NAFTA did not create this problem. People complain all the time about the NAFTA plants on the border. They complain about the conditions and pay to provide us with our products. What if we didn't have those plants there? What if all of those people didn't have those jobs? The Mexican economy isn't doing the best to create those jobs.

How can our country deem something "illegal" but then say it's okay, just don't get caught. They aren't paying taxes. That is the one thing our spend, spend, spend, government should be raving against.

What about drug dealers. Shouldn't we grant amnesty to people convicted of selling drugs. They could be in a horrible living condition with limited options and they are just trying to make a better life for them and their family. And before anybody says "drug dealers are destroying our youths future." So are illegal immigrants by taking jobs from us, feeding on our welfare, and driving up medical costs due to the free service they receive. I would have used all of that tax money to pay for my son's college. They as well as other taxpayer assisted citizens are robbing our youths future.

But I will make all the pro-amnesty people a deal. I say we grant amnesty to all working illegal aliens. We tax them at their jobs, just like the rest of us. In exchange we get rid of every American that feeds off the taxpayer. We get rid of everyone who has had no job for a year and receives taxpayer assistance. Fair trade, right?

What if the economy keeps going the way it is (which it will, if we keep spending) and we all decide to just move to canada and work. Wouldn't Canada be a little upset?

June 12, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...

Yes illegals are the only ones causing crime. Great piece of journalistic hogwash again. Yeah Zummie you can put the word terrorist in there to give it a little more appeal to flag wavers.

How many jobs if not held by illegals would raise the costs of a lot of items?
How many folks think menial labor jobs should provide wages to provide for car payments, mortgage payments? If these are the jobs being "lost" than I'm glad to see what some of you folks consider to be "jobs." Would you take them? Probably not, it's easier to flap your gums.
Is your sense of entitlement kid going to take them? Probably not but hey some of ya'll sound tough and act like you have a plan.

Cid95, criminals cooperate with LE and the legal system more than your rant will let on to.

The immigration issue gets obfuscated when you start using emotional appeals and high drama for a serious problem that needs logic and clear thinking for resolution. Its all part of the solve it now or else!! Don't think just solve it now!! Don't question anything, solve it now!!! Mob mentality at its finest. Shame on Zumwalt and the P&C.

June 12, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sandnateater (anonymous) says...

Zumalt is an idiot. he is the same guy not 5 years ago in a article stated there were no gangs in north charleston. he is a worthless police chief. he is so out of touch with the problems in NC. i can't believe the people of nc allow him to be their chief....but then again most people who live in nc believe sumney is doing a great job. I use to live in nc. i left because the mayor and the chief and the council people have hidden agendas that do not include making the place better. I ran into someone that still lives in the neighborhood i moved out of. He told me the other day that the grocery store plaza was a lot safer now because they have a full time 24/7 NC police officer on duty stationed there. I had no reply.

June 12, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sandnateater (anonymous) says...

urgatorbait is such a level headed thinker. NOT. he is an idiot that doesn't even live in chas but rants and rants on and on about what things he has no idea what he is talking about.

June 12, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shoelaces (anonymous) says...

URGATORBAIT....who did these jobs prior to the influx of illegals? Someone must have done them?

Come to this country. That is fine. Just do it legally, get a SS card, pay taxes, get a driver's license AND insurance, and learn to speak English. I would NEVER move to a foreign country and ASSUME myself into its culture expecting them to accommodate me.

Come here but do it the legal way.

June 12, 2009 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

suec (anonymous) says...

I agree with zumalt.
If someone beats robs you, should you be afraid to call the police because you have outstanding parking tickets? Should teh police check your record before they even look for the violent offnder? If your record isn't squeaky clean should they just say "oh well" you drive too fast or you have a DUI from last year so you "got what you deserved"?

These scum that prey on illegals will not sudeenly go out and earn a decent living if the illegals are gone. They will look for other victims. The young, elderly or maybe even you.

Zumalt is right. we need to do whatever we can to get these violent thugs off of our streets.

June 12, 2009 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

maeko (anonymous) says...

the job of a local police department is to protect the public's safety. protecting the country's boarders is the job of the federal gov't.

police cannot afford to alienate a segment of the community because the federal gov't is not doing what it promised to do. immigrant families, regardless of legal status, deserve the same human-rights as those we Americans wish for all the world.

local and federal gov't MUST come to an agreement to best handle the situation. as i am not qualified to make many suggestions (obviously it is a very complicated issue), i will give but one. effective boarder control is urgent and imperative.

June 12, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

To answer your questions Gator bait. If all illegals disappeared from the job market, those jobs would still have to be filled. They are not going to disappear. Which means they would start the jobs at minimum wage. If people still don't want them (welcome to the free market) they will then raise those wages until somebody is willing to do the job (which means now they can pay those car payments, and mortgage payments). You pay the majority the right amount, and they will do those jobs. This would happen across the board. Those companies are not going to fold, because illegals aren't working for them. Now there are more people working which would free up a lot of the welfare system, thus allowing us to keep more of our tax money to pay for the raise of costs due to wage increase.

It can all work and make sense. You can't say we should base our economy around people that aren't even supposed to partake in it. That's completely contradictory.

And Zumalt wasn't saying that illegals are committing all crimes, he was saying they are becoming a larger victim base, and due to their status, they can't help find the criminals. So basically, reduce the amount of illegal aliens and you reduce not only crimes that would have been committed, but the number of potential victims and criminals getting away.

June 12, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

DO YOUR JOB ZUMALT- CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE ADMITS HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB AND KEEPS HIS JOB

June 12, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

So SueC, what you are trying to say is even though they are in the middle of committing an illegal act, solely by being here, we should be more concerned about finding the suspect, and since they are a victim, they are granted immunity. So to compare that, if a drug dealer gets robbed while making a sale, the cops should grant him immunity even though he is in the middle of committing a crime and start looking for the guy that took his money? Please explain.

June 12, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JD_Simms (anonymous) says...

I grew up in El Paso, Texas which sits right on the Mexican border across from Juarez. While it was easy to understand the motivation behind crossing over into this country, it was not easy to understand the complete lack of civic responsibility displayed after they'd made the transition.

In the 1960's and early 1970's, illegal immigration was something that was tolerated as it provided an economic benefit to both sides of the equation. Before long, however, county residents began to see their taxes increase faster than other parts of the country. One of the reasons for this was due to costs at the county hospital.

It was common knowledge that pregnant Mexican women would often wait until they were just about ready to deliver before crossing the Rio Grande. They would show up at the doors of the county hospital just in time to deliver their baby which, by law, made the child a U.S. citizen. This child would eventually become the "anchor" for the rest of the family to eventually make its way over.

As time went on, I became absolutely astonished at the utter lack of responsibility these default citizens felt to their country as they grew up. Unlike many other first-generation children of other immigrant groups, there was absolutely no desire to assimilate. Many felt Mexico was still their home. Many of these folks were often my co-workers. I remember being flabbergasted at how many of them felt they shouldn't even be paying taxes since they felt they were really Mexican. Their sense of entitlement remained strong, however, when it came to government benefits.

By the time I left, the Hispanic population represented over 76% of the county's population. Discrimination against Anglo citizens was rampant in employment and housing. The ability to speak Spanish was required for almost any type of employment. I remember once how a group of Irish-Americans were decried as racist for wanting to hold a St. Patrick's Day parade. Never mind that the LULAC run Fiesta de la Flores parades and other events excluded anyone who was not Hispanic. And forget about it if anyone dared to suggest that English should be the primary language in official documents, much less the notion that it should be considered as the official language of the US. In a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, the term racist and bigot was liberally thrown at anyone who made such a suggestion.

I've often wondered, had the influx of the immigrants along the border been through legal means, would things have been different? I tend to think so as I've known many, many wonderful hard working Americans who've come here legally that have an entirely different viewpoint. Unless we can slow the tide of illegal immigration in the rest of the country, we'll probably get a chance to find out.

June 12, 2009 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...

It is one thing to get up 3 in the morning to work on a roof for 20 dollars a hour and it is another thing to get up 3AM to work on a roof for 7 bucks a hour. The big difference is that the 20 dollar a hour guy doesn't live 12 to a trailer!

I actually agree with your post nopartisen.

June 12, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ILLEGALEYE (anonymous) says...

Zumwalt saying he had the 10th most violent city in the country, but only states the VICTIMS were Illegal Immigrants... How many of the ASSAILANTS were Illegal Immigrants as well? Why do we seem to gravitate to the victim perspective with these people and virtually ignore the OBVIOUS taxing of our municipal and state resources they cause due to their being in this country? Why can't we realize the best thing for these people is to preserve the United States ability to assist their country with overall benevolence we provide to their home country? Why don't we pause and reflect on the issue that, if we continue to provide services to them within the border of the USA, we will be destroying our infrastructure and therefore, our ability to pay the taxes that affords out country the ability to spend BILLIONS in aid to their home country?

Our Healthcare problem is exacerbated by the illegal immigration problem. Obama wants to "fix health care", why can't we start by only offering it to those who are LEGAL RESIDENTS of this country? I understand the Hippocratic Oath requires physicians to "do no harm or allow them to pass by someone in need", but ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL is REQUIRED by OATH to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES, which states they will "DEFEND AGAINST ALIEN INVADERS". Are these people not "Alien Invaders"?

Why is it not a problem to smuggle humans into the country and profit from them, yet smuggling illegal drugs into the country gets HUGE RESPONSE and FUNDING from the Federal Government?

Why can we fund a HUGE WAR on DRUGS and yet we THUMB WRESTLE with the Illegal Importation of Humans that STEAL MONEY DIRECTLY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the CITIZENS of the USA.

If we diverted all of our drug interdiction efforts and just concentrated on Illegal Smuggling, I believe we would solve the DRUG and the HUMAN problem all at the same time.

We must give our Local Officials the help they need to handle this problem. There must be some local "Patriot" that has a huge plot of land in the middle of the county somewhere perhaps, where we can build a TENT CITY to house the illegals while they are waiting on deportation. This in itself, will deter any illegals from coming to this area, for as soon as they realize they have cracked down on it, they won't even try.

As far as funding the whole operation, I believe it is within the ability of local law enforcement to "Deputize" citizens and I also believe that if one were to ask any VFW post for volunteers to watch the deportees while in custody, they would have a longer line waiting to work for free than they have at the unemployment office.

Feeding these people can be handled by fines levied upon the EMPLOYERS of these people. There should be an ordinance passed that requires them to pay for the housing of any illegals caught on their payroll up until the time of their pick up by DHS.

Check out http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

Mike - IllegalEye.com

June 12, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ysillyme (anonymous) says...

Now Mr. Simms~
How many readers are going to plow thru that lengthy post? Realize you grew up in Texas son, but for God's sake get to your point, make your point, then haul your azz back to Texas.

June 12, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

Guidedbystewart, you actually agree with me on something. It's gonna be a good day.

June 12, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ccfromsc (anonymous) says...

Here is one fact that many miss: IF you witness a say a murder in North Charleston problem is if you call the police they put all of your info in the report, such as where you live, work, SS #, DL #, etc. and then when they arrest the guy for the crime, his "friends" buy the report and come for you. My point is why and who would trust the police there?

June 12, 2009 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Rocks66 (anonymous) says...

Check out the birthing stats for Parkland Hospital in Dallas. They deliver hundreds of kids on a monthly basis, and they are predominantly the offspring of illegals who either can't or won't pay for the services. As a result, the legal citizens of Dallas County are handed the check, which amounts to millions of dollars annually. What's more, each of those children automatically becomes a U.S. Citizen, entitled to all the rights thereof. The hospital must, by law, treat anyone who appears in their ER, regardless of their ability to pay. And if you think that's bad, just wait'll Mr. O rams his national healthcare proposal through Congress, where it will be eagerly supported by the Dems and will cover virtually anyone who sets foot on U.S. soil.

As to Arnold's refusal to cut benefits to illegals, it's no wonder that so many Californians are responding with "Hasta la vista, baby".

June 12, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JD_Simms (anonymous) says...

ysillyme - Gee...sorry I forget that this board attracts folks like yourself who's attention span is as small as their IQ. For an issue as complicated as illegal immigration, a sound-bite discussion is insufficient. If you lack the gray matter to keep up, perhaps you need to turn to the comics section instead.

June 12, 2009 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JD_Simms (anonymous) says...

haroldreems - Say what? Even by convoluted logic standards you've jumped the shark on this. If you're into counting the number of words, check out the second post below mine which is longer. Not legitimate either? Down the rabbit hole we go...

June 12, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

suec (anonymous) says...

my take on it is, the supposed illegals living on my street are no danger or threat to me. The thugs who prey on them are.
There is a huge difference between the crime of being an illegal alien vs being a violent criminal.
by the same token, I would not be too worried about a woman next door who writes bad checks. However if the guy living beside her is beating androbbing folks at gunpoint, then yeah I would be a lot more concerned. I would really be worried if the bad check writer was a victim and did not call teh cops for fear of being arrested.

June 12, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Excellent "devils advocate" post nopartisan_noproblem. If I am drunk as hell, driving down the road and someone smashes into my car, through no fault of my own....will I still get a DUI ? Hell yeah. I'm so sick of the "they just want to better their lives" crap. Well if I became a drug dealer or robbed a bank that could "better my life". (as long as the police would overlook my crimes.) I could make lots more money.

June 12, 2009 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Many of these jobs were once held by teens and young people just entering the work force. I've done just about all of those unskilled jobs that you normally associate with the illegals. I didn't have much at the time, but I sure learned a lot. I do not work in the trades any longer, but most of my acquaintances are in trades. They do not hire illegals, and none of us knowingly will have anyone working for us that hire them. That's about all that I can do, and I urge those I can to boycott businesses that have them. Oh, and good luck to those of you who has bought into a subdivision in the last 20 years or so. They all admit to being carpenters, masons, roofers, whatever; just ask them.

June 12, 2009 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

But see suec, you should be worried if those people are living by you. You are paying for them. When the lady that writes a bad check, you're paying for her arrest, detainment, and process time. For the illegal alien, you are paying for their lack of paid taxes. If they weren't working that job, someone else would be and would pay those taxes. You're paying for their infrastructure use. You are paying for some of their welfare assistance. If they did commit a crime, we don't have identification on them.

The only way that these things don't affect you, is if you're not paying taxes yourself. And if you are completely cool with it, could you take my portion of the tax burden that it takes to support their stay here.

June 12, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

I ran a plant in NC , it was sold and moved to mexico. My employees were paid $14.85 min per hour and had at least 10 years service. The employees in Mexico were paid $5.50 per day for a 10 hour day. they had a dr on call and fed them lunch. they also worked 6 days a week cutting grass for $6.50 per hr is a big increase.
all the money paid them leaves the country and is not spent on our economy. why not limit money orders like Italy does or at least put a tax on the money leaving the US

June 12, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JDHawg (anonymous) says...

Can anybody tell me why the good US of A has an open door policy on our boarder and just about every other country will throw your butt in jail or shot you if sneak in their country. ex: the two reporter taken in China for crossing a waterless ditch.

June 12, 2009 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Numba10 (anonymous) says...

One point I think many of you miss or are not aware of---The local police can arrest every illegal alien they come across----the illegals will then remain in the local jail untill someone from immigration comes to pick them up which can be quite a long time---this is one of the main reasons local police do not do immigration enforcement---when the local police become immigration enforces crime will rise since alien victims will not be abble to safely report to the police ---so then the criminal gets to continue thier activities without fear of being reported

June 12, 2009 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Numba10 (anonymous) says...

Jobs leave the US due to the fact that Americans refuse to work at the wages necessary for a business to be profitable in the US. On top of that many Americans now refuse to do many manual labor jobs. So many think they are above that any more. Which we are not we are the same as those coming here willing to take these labor jobs.

June 12, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...

Posted by JDHawg on June 12, 2009 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Can anybody tell me why the good US of A has an open door policy on our boarder and just about every other country will throw your butt in jail or shot you if sneak in their country. ex: the two reporter taken in China for crossing a waterless ditch."

People profit from illegals and the people that profit from it influence the government.

BTW, harold loves to attack anyone with half a brain, maybe it has to do with intelligence envy?

June 12, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

crankyyankee (anonymous) says...

If I'm going to be asked by someone to step in and enforce immigration laws, those folks are going to hide from us and yet they're still going to be victimized. I'm not going to tolerate that."

I'd rather have them hiding then running into me on the road with no license or insurance! How come the Constitution specifically addresses boarder control and LEO's and our elected officals can't enforce the laws but gambling and prostitution are not spelled out in the Constitution and we're all over that? How does anyone know you can't enfroce the laws on imigration when I've never heard of anyone that tried? I think our leaders are cock sure that we the voters are dummer than we look! Mr. Zummy doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the box but he's perfect for Charlestown el norte.

June 12, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PoliGadfly (anonymous) says...

They CAN arrest,and hold for ICE. ICE won't come get them but then I'm told they only have three people for the entire state to pick up these aliens and the felonies get more attention than driving without a license, for instance.

June 12, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

suec (anonymous) says...

non-partisan, the difference is in the type of crime.
when faced with a choice between higher taxes and someone imposing violence on me or one of my family members, it's a no brainer.
Zumalt is trying to make it so taht the illegal imigrants are not afraid to report the VIOLENT criminals like the ones who shot the man in front of his 5 year old.
Don't you want people like that off of the street more than you want Jose' to go back to Mexico?

June 12, 2009 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillycollette (anonymous) says...

"[:] Zumalt pointed out that the crime shows how illegal immigrants often are being targeted. That's VICTIMIZATION, and I'm not going to allow anyone be VICTIMIZED in my community, [:] I'm not going to tolerate that."

As I said earlier: I happen to agree with Zumalt.

I do not accept any EXCUSES from any quarter for VICTIMIZATION-not under any circumstances--MOST OF ALL FROM OFFICERS OF THE (bogus family) COURT.

I do not and would not evaluate a man's intelligence by how quickly he agrees with me-for that would make him a "Yes-man"-hardly a creature worthy of my attention. Like the bozo's who suggested otherwise.

June 12, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...

sandnat please I live in the Creek and work in North Chuck knucklehead, so again another astute assumption from the head poobah. Sarcasm escapes you but I would expect that from one like you. Even though we agree that Zummy is an incompetent you feel the need to carry on your myopic bigoted name calling attitude dude. I have two letters for ya....take a guess sunshine.

I digress.

Thank you for the level headed response non-partisan,it's refreshing around here. I disagree about a company staying in business if they paid the going wage rate when the competitiveness is tight. Cutting your largest expense down to manageable levels, even though illegal, is a way some companies are choosing to do to survive. Most folks decry illegals and agree its a problem but do little except complain and change the channel.

How much the prices would rise if we did what we are supposed to do? I don't know but if its something we have to do to stem the tide of illegals than it could be part of the solution. With the era of globalization upon us to find the production of products in the most cost effective methods, I can envision a workers permit that will still allow these folks to work and not really solve the job issue. You can't off-shore or relocate local construction/labor jobs. So until some kind of reform is enacted we are stuck with this mess.

The impetus of companies should be to use ethical hiring practices, if not you can boycott them or report them if thats what gets the ball rolling.

I don't support the hiring of illegals nor companies that hire them. Though some here may think so.

Implying that alot of the crime is related to illegals is disingenuous at best. North Chuck had a problem before the illegals came to NC to become the whipping boy for NCs on going crime problem. Using the word terrorist in the article was silly.

June 12, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillycollette (anonymous) says...

My regards to Abitskeptical. We have strenuously disagreed on topics in the past but at least Abit has taken the time to actually read what I have presented.

June 12, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sandnateater (anonymous) says...

ugatorbait,
go suck pole a hole....that's about all you are good for.

I am LMFAO at you. you are to easy goat man.

June 12, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sandnateater (anonymous) says...

creeker and a nc employee...that just says it all...sorry, my bad. hahahahahahaah

June 12, 2009 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PalmettoDP (anonymous) says...

Mr. Zumalt is part of the problem.

June 12, 2009 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TRODI (anonymous) says...

We as americans have lost our balls.they are illegal round them up send them back.anchor babies should be sent back with their parents to anchor in different waters.i have no problem with legal immigration.to reform and let these people stay is a insult to any immigrant who did it the right way.waited and did the process.no government services should be provided except a trip back where they came from period.apply come here legally .that is the right way.let the millions who are illegal form their own army and defend their right to freedom and democracy in the country they are from.

June 12, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

st (anonymous) says...

People you miss the point of all this, it is not about crime or serving the public. This is about politics and getting Hispanics to vote these politicians. They don't care about these people at all they only care about getting more votes and staying in office.

June 12, 2009 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mabilene (anonymous) says...

st -- this problem can definitely be used politically. That's the whole point.

How can we protect people who are here illegally from being used by those wish us all harm? The illegals have no leverage in their own survival if they're already in trouble.

They are human beings -- not disposable chess pieces.

How did things ever get this out of hand?

June 12, 2009 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

simple to prevent them from being exploited. get people like zoomie to either do their job or quit and deport the illegals,

zoomie and summey belong in california

June 12, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Numba10 (anonymous) says...

anchor babies????---born here makes them US citizens that is the constitutional rule---Just because you have been here longer from your ancestors gives you no more right to be here than the newly born-----this kind of attitude is not what America and Americans are all about--------however people get here if they dont do crime other than illegally entering---I say welcome to AMERICA

June 12, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...

Can you say welcome to my tax burden caused by illegal aliens Numba 10.

June 12, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TRODI (anonymous) says...

Let me tell you something ten.my wife went through a legal lengthy process to get here period to let these people in is a slap in the face.they should be deported.yes anchor babies to.to have a child on our soil just for the sake of staying here is a disservice to America and the child.the constitution should be amended as well. change the tax system to a consumption tax.to include these illegal wages.tax any monies being sent abroad by money order or wire transfer.
to do nothing is bs.no th the fact that im here legal.says it all.or option two take the babies as orphans still kick the parents out.the child isnt the problem its the dipwad who had it that is.as for half of my relatives they were here before any white settlers arrived there was no constitution for them.your still missing the point it is a crime period.tell the thief that breaks into your home welcome.they are not contributing to our society or tax burden they create thereby stealing from hard working legal citizens.its time we did something before its to late.

June 12, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Numba10 (anonymous) says...

trodi----well you are wrg on several points---many illegals use a federal tax ID and do pay taxes---and they do contribute---they in general harvest a vast majority of the food you eat ---build roads--and do janitorial that you wont or wouldnt do----so how do we kick the half of your family that came here out----and oh so many here claim to be native---but the main point you show in your rant is a great lack of compassion--that is truly UNAMERICAN---just because your wife did it doesnt warrant anything-----and by your whining we shouldnt accept her

June 12, 2009 at 4:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

They also poop in the fields and harvest E Coli and other diseases.

June 12, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mabilene (anonymous) says...

Your mama could have squatted in a field to birth you for all we know, CoolFreaknBeans!

:)

June 12, 2009 at 5:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

lol @ Mabilene

June 12, 2009 at 7:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

It's amazing that people can justify ignoring certain laws. How can selective law enforcement be considered acceptable?

One thing I'm sure of - this will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.

JD Simms - Good post, thanks for the insight into the future of America if we don't do something.

Last, but not least, my ancestors were NOT immigrants - they were settlers, pioneers. They built the United States of America. Native Americans had their chance but, in a pattern repeated throughout history all over the world, they were displaced by a superior civilization.
Cry me a river and welcome to planet Earth.

June 13, 2009 at 12:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wonderdog (anonymous) says...

It's time to give local LEO's the jurisdiction to detain illegals. I asked a city policeman about it, and he said that if they pull an illegal for a traffic offense, all they can do is give him a ticket and issue a warrant when the illegal doesn't pay or show up at court. They do, however, have the authority to impound a vehicle that has no insurance and will do so when possible so they can get the car off the road. That is not only done when an illegal is driving.

Buy uninsured motorist coverage just in case!

June 13, 2009 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TRODI (anonymous) says...

and many do not pay taxes as well.if i had to do janitorial work i would but i have a better job.working for low wages is under cutting Americans period.id rather pay a dollar more a pound for one of my fellow americans to earn a decent wage.i could care less weather you accept her she isnt breaking the law period they are breaking the law they should be punished cut and dry the law is the law.it isnt up for interpretation.

June 13, 2009 at 10:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

abitskeptical (anonymous) says...

Cid95...I suppose "superior" civilization is in the eye of the beholder.

June 14, 2009 at 2:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )