Immigrants' dilemma: Go or stay
Many Mexicans on both sidesof border decide to stay put
By Paul Bowers
In the three years since Javier Reyes moved to North Charleston from Tlaxiaco, Mexico, he has faced a dilemma: Should he stay or should he go?
Like many immigrants from Mexico, he is torn between the two countries by opportunity, economics and family. A study released Wednesday by the Pew Hispanic Center looks at two flows of people: from Mexico to the U.S. and from the U.S. back to Mexico.
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Javier Reyes, who is from Mexico and has lived in the United States for three years, works for Valeria Bayraktar at Los Puentes in North Charleston. Reyes has considered moving back to Mexico to go to school.
The number of Mexicans entering the U.S. in the last year was 636,000, compared with 814,000 from 2007-2008 and 1.3 million from 2006-2007.
Meanwhile, for the last three years, the number of Mexican immigrants returning to Mexico annually has hovered close to 450,000. The U.S. Mexican-born population, which grew early in the decade, has leveled out and sits at 11.5 million.
Reyes, 21, is part of a population group not counted in the study: the ones who are staying put. Factors ranging from the global recession to the watchful eye of Border Patrol are causing some to stay on one side or the other of the Rio Grande.
Arriving in North Charleston with his uncles, Reyes found work at Los Puentes, a Mexican grocery store on Ashley Phosphate Road. His uncles, who came for construction jobs, have found their work becoming scarce since the housing market collapse, but for now Reyes has steady work behind the meat counter.
Still, he thinks about moving back to Tlaxiaco, in the southern state of Oaxaca. With all the experience he's gained at Los Puentes, he could study business at a Mexican university and open his own store there.
For a single man, packing up and heading back home is relatively uncomplicated. But it's not so easy for families, especially ones who entered the country illegally, said Jeffrey Passel, co-author of the Pew report.
Previous stories
Recession slows illegal immigration; S.C. numbers are up but half of nation sees stall or decline, published 04/16/09
Hispanic growth booms in state; S.C. population spurt highest in the nation, published 05/02/08
"The stereotype is a young guy here by himself," Passel said. "What we're talking about with the undocumented population is family units, and that means that it's going to be a much more momentous and difficult decision."
Passel said only about one quarter of the undocumented Mexican population in the U.S. fits the profile of single males. Many of the rest are part of a family unit.
Still, 433,000 native Mexicans returned to Mexico from the United States last year. Hector Sanchez, a Mexican-American and co-owner of Los Puentes, sees many of them pass through his store. He said he sells four times as many bus tickets to Mexico as he did this time last year.
As for the would-be migrants staying in Mexico, their decision likely has more to do with economics than fear of trouble at the border, said USC-Aiken Professor Elaine Lacy, who has published studies on Latino immigration.
"Migrants have always known that there is danger in coming across the border," Lacy said. "There's enough evidence to indicate that people in Mexico understand that we are in the throes of a recession, and it's hard to get a job."
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Pew Hispanic Center report (22 page PDF)
South Carolina's unemployment rate is 12.3 percent by latest estimates, but the picture might be grimmer for Mexican immigrants. An Economic Policy Institute report showed the nationwide Hispanic jobless rate was one-third higher than the overall rate for all ethnicities in the first quarter of 2009.
Lacy said South Carolina traditionally has had many jobs that attracted workers from Mexico: construction, poultry processing and textile manufacturing. Through the 1990s and peaking around 2000, the state drew immigrants en masse, often after the promise of jobs spread by word of mouth in certain Mexican towns. A large portion of the Mexican community of San Juan Palmira, for instance, lifted up its roots and set itself down in Aiken.
But now that many of those industries have shriveled, the incentive to immigrate to South Carolina is disappearing. And with the cost of hiring a "coyote," or a human smuggler, now ranging from $1,800 to $3,500 by Lacy's estimate, illegal immigration has become a less appealing option.
"Why spend that money if you can't be guaranteed to get a job when you get here?" Lacy said.
At Los Puentes, there are other signs of hard times: People are buying less meat and more beans and rice. Co-owner Valeria Bayraktar remembers in 2001 when she started working at the store and people would come in to wire $500 back home from their first paycheck. These days, the same customers are wiring $40 at a time.
"Now there's no money to spend," said Bayraktar, 31. "There's only the bills."
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Cid95 (anonymous) says...
"Immigrants' dilemma: Continue to ignore American law or go back to Mexico" - do the right thing.
July 23, 2009 at 1:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reader (anonymous) says...
How hard can it be for ICE to pick up illegal aliens when a newspaper article writes a story about a guy, names him, and lists where he works?
July 23, 2009 at 1:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rednose (anonymous) says...
america is too stupid to survive
July 23, 2009 at 1:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rubiolaus (anonymous) says...
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals. You have some that came to this country at a very young age. They had absolutely no control of the situation. They go to school, want to further their education and they can't because they bear the title "undocumented immigrant" People think it's easy as being said. Become legal, but it's not that easy. Also, some illegal immigrants pay their taxes with an ITIN card, which is a taxpayer's card assigned by the IRS solely for tax purposes. Let's not forget that the real Americans here are the Native Americans. Everyone else is a damn immigrant. The Anglo-Saxons stole this land from the Indians. Part of this land did belong to Mexico and was stolen as well. I understand the ones that commit crimes, I feel strongly about getting rid of them. But not all of illegals are bad. Some work hard, pay their taxes, even though they don't qualify for disability, social security benefits, etc. It amazes me how much ignorance, racisms and just plain stupidity still exists in this country. Times are changing, though. Those that don't like it, deal with it. You can't do anything about it. Just suck it in, shut the hell up and live your life. Plain and simple.
July 23, 2009 at 3:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chasnative74 (anonymous) says...
If they leave it will cost us more money as no U.S. citizen is willing to work for $2 an hour. It is a catch 22, as a consumer you want prices to stay low, as a worker you want to make a liveable wage. Either way, the business owners will pass the cost of hiring minimum wage workers on to the consumers, which means our grocery bills will rise.
July 23, 2009 at 3:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pirate42 (anonymous) says...
should he STAY, Or should he go now, all of them that are here w/o papers ? no brainer... send them back...........
July 23, 2009 at 5:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
rubiolaus,
No, the original Americans, as in the United States of America, were Anglo-Saxons as they created this nation. Like the Phoenicians, Ndwandwe, Moriori, Celts and other earlier inhabitants of certain places on earth, the natives here were displaced by more successful civilizations. Welcome to human history, like you said - "deal with it."
My ancestors weren't immigrants, they were settlers and pioneers before the United States existed.
We need to either enforce our laws or just accept that we are in a steep decline.
July 23, 2009 at 5:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Rube,
As I am a WASP/Native American I believe I'm in the position to correct your misstatements about American history.
Anglo-Saxons did not steal the land from the Indians.
Europeans, most notably the English, French & Dutch not just AngloSaxons, purchased land and stole some, although the Pilgrims offensively sold some tribes into slavery in the West Indies in order to acquire more. Later on, the US government was responsible for the abuse of Native Americans.
Not everyone is an immigrant. According to the laws of the time, those who moved to the colonies of their home countries did not change citizenship, and legally were entitled and occasionally given land grants to relocate.
The parts of the US that were formerly Mexico, were either legally acquired through payment (Gadsden & Louisiana Purchases)or by military action.
Please don't equate current illegal immigration with the struggles faced by previous legal immigrants to the US, many who faced greater obstacles than an ICE raid.
July 23, 2009 at 5:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BKLYNIRISH (anonymous) says...
"Posted by rubiolaus on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals."
Did you really post that?
If they are not here legally, they are criminals, period. Whether or not they engage in further criminal activity after illegally entering the country is another matter.
July 23, 2009 at 5:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NativeSon (anonymous) says...
Los Puentes is in violation of federal law by hiring illegals and should be raided by every one who supports America and loathes treason!
To hire an illegal is paramount to treason and the owners are traitors of America.
Any employer who hires illegals needs some down time a like 10 year minimal sentence in prison.
Yes, it is not easy to come here legally but being here illegally is a crime and the forged documents you obtain is a crime and using false identification to obtain employment, services or education is to perpetrate a fraud which is a crime.
The person who says that being here illegally is not a crime deserves to be ostracised for their ignorance.
July 23, 2009 at 5:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BKLYNIRISH (anonymous) says...
I wonder what happened to this guy:
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/20...
July 23, 2009 at 5:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Cid95, you almost nailed it. The title should read "Criminal Illegal Aliens dilemma: Continue criminal behavior or go home".
Posted by rubiolaus on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 a.m. (Suggest removal): Not all illegal immigrants are criminals.
WHAT??? If it's illegal, it's a crime. If it's a crime, the person commiting the crime is a criminal. Duh.
chasnative74, you're not taking in to account everything that criminal illegal aliens cost us legal citizens in the form of health care, public services, such as police protection, education and so on. What will you say when your personal property is vandalized and the police reponse is slow because they are investigating the death of a drunk criminal illegal alien that walked out in front of a car? Maybe it's your car that he walked out in front of... what then? What happens when your child's education is dumbed down because our public schools are full of non-English speaking little criminals? What happens when a loved one is seriously injured, taken to the hospital only to have to wait because the emergency room is full of criminals? What happens when a crimina rauns in to your car, while driving with no license or insurance?
If they go home, the market will correct itself and those low paying jobs will suddenly be higher paying jobs. We'll pay slightly more for goods and services, but we'll save, as a whole, in the long run. Let's not forget, they can come here legally as migrant workers and do those same jobs... and be protected from bad employers.
You're also not taking in to account that if the criminal was a good worker, a good person, he'd have had a decent job in Mexico. There are plenty of jobs in Mexico, regardless of what the sympathetic media points out in articles such as these. We're getting Mexico's scum. The drunks, the druggies, the murderers, the robbers, the rapists.
The governments, local, state and federal, need to crack down hard on those that supply jobs and housing to the illegal immigrants. That's the only solution... make the jobs go away and the criminals will go away.
It should also be a law that if you know a crime is being commited, you must contact the police... even if you are a newspaper reporter.
July 23, 2009 at 6:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dadshome2 (anonymous) says...
Here are some facts that may be interesting for anyone reading this article. The discussion point that "illegal's are only here doing the jobs that most Americans won't do has a couple of serious flaws to the logic that created that point in the first place. Follow the bouncing ball from point to point.
1a. "A 1997 study by the American Academy of Sciences, (not exactly a conservative organization btw.), found that the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and poor immigrants caused a 44% decrease in wages among the poorest Americans from 1980 to 1994."
1b. "A study in the 1990s by Social Science Quarterly, (also not exactly a conservative minded organization), found that for each 1 percent increase in the proportion of immigrant workers without a high school education in any job category, wages for Americans performing that work fell 7 percent.
2. Illegal aliens are poor not because of their legal status but because of their lack of education and consequent inability to earn better wages. For the past quarter century, real wages for American workers without a high school education have declined 22 percent. The decline among those with a high school education but no higher education was 11 percent.
From the results of these studies, it would not be a leap of logic to conclude that the social economical group most affected would be the working poor here in the US. I do not want to make this a racial charged discussion, but the historic facts say that the poorest Americans would include those individuals of Native American and African American backgrounds. It has also been pointed out a number of times that one of the worst states in regards to relative education levels happens to be South Carolina. (end part 1)
July 23, 2009 at 6:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dadshome2 (anonymous) says...
(part 2)
Let's look a bit deeper if you don't mind.
3. Based on March 2008 data collected by the Census Bureau, the Center (Pew Research Center) estimates that unauthorized immigrants are 4% of the nation's population and account for 5.4% of its workforce.
3a. The Pew Hispanic Center reported in October 2008 that the illegal population stood at 11.9 million
(http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.ph...).
3b. An earlier Pew study found that 65 percent of the illegal population is employed in the United States (http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.ph...). The estimate that 7.7 million illegal aliens held U.S. jobs in 2008 assumes the same employment rate.
Now we are getting somewhere. With current unemployment rates reaching well into double digit ranges, how can we justify the "don't look, don't ask, don't tell" policies that have become the de-facto enforcement approach to illegal immigration? If 5.4% of the workforce is currently made up of illegal aliens and we have unemployment at 11 % (plus) it's time to look out for our own citizens first. The continued practice of hiring illegal aliens amounts to nothing less than indentured servitude in the 21st century, of those illegal aliens that are hired and of the citizens that are displaced. Allowing the practice to continue or suggesting that a "path to citizenship" is the answer should be called for what it is : the endorsement of modern day slavery.
It's time to create an environment that is so legally uncomfortable for business to hire illegal aliens and for illegal aliens to apply for a job that it forces everyone to work and play on a level playing field. Then, and only then, will the poor and under educated citizens of the USA have a chance to stabilize their family life, living conditions and social economic status and standing in society.
July 23, 2009 at 6:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billtom (anonymous) says...
It's real simple. Legal, stay; illegal, go!
The schools don't teach history any longer, it should be called "politically correct studies". When my grandmother came to this contry from Ireland, you had to be "sponsored" by a legal citizen inorder to get in. Her "sponsor" was sick when Nana arrived at Ellis Island (at age 14) and was almost sent packing on the next boat. The "sponsor's" employer came to pick nana up with papers proving he was representing the "sponsor" and Nana became a citizen, and raised five children 4 of whom served proudly in the US Navy during WW2 (two of whom went on to Korea). These are the people who make this country something to be proud of. Oh, and another note. When Ireland became part of the British, they were made to speek English. Gaelic (the native langauge) is only spoken in the households that continued on with their heritage, not in everyday public. So why are we being forced to learn Spanish just to work at our jobs?
July 23, 2009 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Of course, the simple answer is that they should have no choice, therefore, no dilemma, if we did the right thing and sent them back. As far as their unemployment rate goes, it should be 100%. That should reduce the 12.5% for SC and also increase the artificially low wages in SC. We might even consider stopping the slaughter of our own unborn children. Even those who promote unlimited infanticide should be able to see an economic advantage in stopping the murder of the unborn.
July 23, 2009 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
This is hilarious!
Posted by rubiolaus on July 23, 2009 at 3:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals.
July 23, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pb88 (anonymous) says...
To Reader, ColdBud and NativeSon: Nowhere in the article does it say that the employees of Los Puentes are in the country illegally. Let's keep the libel to a minimum, shall we?
July 23, 2009 at 7:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Clemsurf (anonymous) says...
Rubiolaus, you say that not all illegal immigrants are criminals. Are you serious??? They're illegal!! That makes them criminals. Wow somebody dropped out in second grade. I can't believe ICE isn't over there picking up this guy right now. It's like putting a bank robber in the paper. Go get him!!
July 23, 2009 at 7:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rgsno (anonymous) says...
Obama is going to save us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
ok ice you know where to go . now do your job!!!!!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
Did you know that our "current administration" in Washington quietly issued an executive order that our border patrol and customs and immigration agents are not to focus on apprehending illegals coming across our borders? What does that tell you. It is not immigration, it is "voter importation." And, as expected, we were lied to. Surprise!!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TinaR (anonymous) says...
To rubiolaus... your first sentence is laughable.. the whole word "illegal" makes them criminals. I am sick and tire of people trying to justify. If you do not have a green card or if you paid a coyote tohelp you across the border then you are doing somehting that is against the law. I have no problem with immigration as long as it is done the right way.
July 23, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Ok great so instead of enforcing our countries immigration laws on the books we just needed to create a recession?
Should you stay or go? I help with this one, GO!
July 23, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
smp (anonymous) says...
Its so ridiculous. I just want to throw my hands up.
July 23, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
READER, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. HEY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME AN ARTICLE WAS IN THE NEWS PAPER A BUSINESSMAN STATED "HE ONLY HIRED ILLEGALS" AND HE'S STILL IN BUSINESS? The p&c printed it and no one would do anything about it. This guy was even at the protest rally in Columbia when SC was trying to pass that "feel good" legislation.
A&A Granite on Cross County rd!
July 23, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
MP,
I guess the Meth fumes have taken over your brain. Please cite the executive order you are blathering about, if it exists outside the "birther" world.
Please note that illegal immigration exploded durng the Bush administration, as he kowtowed to the American Chamber of Commerce and other business groups who didn't want to pay fair wages to American citizens.
July 23, 2009 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Yeah Bush/Obama had/have the same policy. Get the illeglas in here to pad the voting blocs.
For the poster that wrote they are here doing jobs cheaper and that is passed on to the consumer...hahahahahah, what you smoking? It's called profit margin friend. That's what the employer gets more of when they pay for cheap labor....They work them because they're cheap and THEY KEEP THE MONEY not CHARGE THE CONSUMER LESS! Did you see a dramatic drop in prices for goods or services we missed?
July 23, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bridgeoperator (anonymous) says...
If we are going to raid this business then raid the landscaping companies, construction sites, etc. Why just this woman/business. You know why you are fast to jump on her, Because the guy doing the work for you showed up with 6 illegals today and you got the job done for $300 less. It starts at home and in your own business. Don't support businesses that hire illegals. Then they will go back and the people in this state who will work for $12 or more under the table will take their jobs, especially in this economy. Blah Blah Blah,,,same old BS from the same BSers.
July 23, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zekemire (anonymous) says...
WHY ALL THE WORRY OVER ILLEGALS, WHO ARE CRIMINAL, LIVING HERE? All illegals should go back, or, be arrested and deported! Think where our unemployed rate would be without 15 to 20 million illegals! ENOUGH! PROTECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY! PROTECT OUR BORDERS!
July 23, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
suec (anonymous) says...
where does it say the guy in the artilcle is illegal?
Not all hispanics are illegal aliens. Everyone from Mexico is not here illegally.
July 23, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Posted by omarro1974 on July 23, 2009 at 1:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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THERE.... I've just written ALL of their regurgitated talking points for the next MONTH.
Now you don't have to go to the rally."
Illegal Aliens, Check!
July 23, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blacman (anonymous) says...
At least the Mexicans had a choice, my ancestors were forced onto slave ships and brought to this country. I believe hard edged posters like moonpie and coldbud could never overcome such odds and wind up being President of The United States; never mind just prosperous business owners and high end wage earners. The illegals steal jobs from my people and cause alarmingly high unemployment for our youths leading to dabbling in crime, and ultimately in prison or parole. send them back, now wouldn't be too soon.
July 23, 2009 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WSM (anonymous) says...
"But it's not so easy for families, especially ones who entered the country illegally, said Jeffrey Passel, co-author of the Pew report."
Sooooo....
Some of my family were sent here by Britain because they were on the "wrong side" of the English Civil War.
Others were here in the Cheraw and Lumbee Tribes.
These are not "immigrants," as one poster pointed out. They are a. "pioneers," and b. "Indigenous persons."
My wifes's family were immigrants, and mostly from non-English speaking countries, the father was a Danish soldier during the First World War. This was only in the 1920's. Living memory. THOSE are immigrants, and they still had to be "sponsored" and learn the language of the country to which they moved.
The one English-speaking immigrant family, a veteran of the British Army and WWI, came here with his wife and children to NJ for "freedom of religion," in that he refused to participate in the Church of England, and was deemed a second-class citizen.
Although he fough and bled for King and Country, he had to renounce citizenship to a nation he defended. There was no "Anglo Rights Movement."
My point? Each immigrant wave up to this point has had to abide by our laws.
Today, this isn't immigration, it is voter importation, and both parties are doing ethical and mental gymnastics of the worst order to be the patrons of the new "power minority." Exhibit A? Senator Lindsay Graham!
Our country has been sold out to the highest bidder folks. Its about time we Constitutionally take it back!
July 23, 2009 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
pb88, is English your second language? You might want to look up the definition of "libel" and then reread my post. The two don't jive.
While your at it, look up the word "pompous".
July 23, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
ballachulish- illegal immigration exploded during the CLINTON administration. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth. There was a better effort to document the numbers during the Bush administration. The executive order exists. Get off your lazy butt and find it, it is not hard.
July 23, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
STREETLAW (anonymous) says...
You family was herded to those ships and sold out by their own people. They came from a country that is still a far cry from civilized even to this day.
If there were any great African poets, doctors, educators, scientest, religeous leaders, artist, etc., I never heard about them.
You see Africans were not brought to this country because they were black. They were brought here because they were too dull to avoid it.
How I wish African was such a beacon of civilization and such a champion of human rights that people everywhere that feel oppressed in America would flock there in droves.
But I'm not holding my breath until that happens.
July 23, 2009 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bluman111 (anonymous) says...
It amazes me how so many people here are calling for ICE..deportation..there are criminals..etc..But when the people that brought them here..hired them...USED them then dumped them at the parking lot of Walmart and then the almighty construction companies picked them up USED them to make nice little comfy houses for you..it was no big deal. I did not see anyone writing or protesting these sweat shop working depot sites demanding that they close up. It is typical of this state to blame everyone else for the mess it always gets itself into. period.
July 23, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Just GO......
July 23, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
MP - I tried to find the executive order you were referring to. I performed a Google search using the search terms "executive order border patrol". I was unsuccessful in finding a document that was in any way similar to your claim. Would you be kind enough to provide a link or address to view a hard copy?
Thanks
July 23, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nopartisan_noproblem (anonymous) says...
There you go blacman, "my people, my people". I know you fight for equality, but I think you're a little more into the separate but eaual side of it. How can you ever expect everyone to work together when the demand for sympathetic catering to a specific group is so high. Pointing out your people's past struggle (which has absolutely nothing to do with you, nor does it represent your "struggle")only dampers the ability for us as a country to overcome the struggles that we all share. Including the unemployment dilemma that we face, because of the many illegals that have taken jobs here.
"If they leave it will cost us more money as no U.S. citizen is willing to work for $2 an hour."
You can't say we should base our economy around people that aren't even supposed to partake in it.
July 23, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ysillyme (anonymous) says...
slacman~
You use the term "my people". Say, are you really an Indian Chief??? You sound an awful lot like Chief 10 Bears. Come clean now.
July 23, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcncamscott (anonymous) says...
BYE BYE! Don't let the border kick you in the azz..........
July 23, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcncamscott (anonymous) says...
Oh, and Valerie from Los Puentes should be right behind him!
July 23, 2009 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
When illegal immigration peaked had (has) nothing to do with who was in office at the time, but everything to do with what the economy was doing.
No administration has done anything effective with regards to stemming illegal immigration.
If there is money and there are jobs, they will come. If not (like now), they will go.
It's a great example of a "pure" market completely unaffected by politics.
July 23, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mb300sl (anonymous) says...
Round them all up and send them home!
July 23, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
MP,
You made a bs statement and cannot back it up about the executive order.
According to the PEW Hispanic Center Bush apprehended and removed 30% fewer illegals in the 1st 5 years of his presidency than Clinton did in the last 5 years of his. Furthermore Bush twice extended the "Temporary Protected Status" of the El Salvadorians, Nicaraguans and Hondurans who took shelter in 1998 from Hurrican Mitch.
Try backing up your aspersions, instead of quoting facts you pulled out of your tin hat.
July 23, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bridgeoperator (anonymous) says...
Blacman,
do your research. Blacks were sold by other black tribes into slavery. If you want to blame someone for slavery blame the people with your same skin color.
July 23, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Immigrant's dilemmma....???
What about the TAXPAYER'S Dilemma...??????
WOW...what a great job...EDITOR....!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lou9 (anonymous) says...
Excellent post, Dadshome2. You covered all the pertinent issues concerining illegals. They were poor when they were in Mexico and because of their lack of education and skills they have no potential to earn decent wages in the US so they will be poor here also. They are a drain on our already stretched thin social programs that are supposed to be for legal citizens. Not to mention they cause an increase in crime because they have no bank accounts, which makes them walking ATM machines for criminals. Send them all back.
July 23, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
WOW........
WHat about YOU...Rev Darby...?? What is your dilemma.??
What about you Sheriff Al Cannon? What is your dilemma..??
What about you Van's tree Service? What is your dilemma..??
What about you MAYOR SUMEY? WHat is your dilemma..???
WHat about you SEACOAST Church? What is your dilemma..???
WHat about you La Hacienda? What is your dilemma..???
What about you Sander's Construction? What is your dilemma..???
What about you Diane Knich? What is your dilemma..?? Habla ...WHAT ??
What about you Sherwin Williams Paints..?? What is your dilemma..??
How about you "JOE TAXPAYER" ? What is your dilemma...???
What about you ANDRE' BAUER, Robert FORD, and McMaster..?? WHat is your dilemma...??? LOL..!
One can't help but think just how "LOW" the citizens in the fine press room of this NEWSPAPER must "feel"...!?!?! Well, we here on the FRONTLINES of taxpayer awareness know full WELL....!!!!!! It may be time for a meeting in the canteen to discuss a time to confront ...IVAN...!!!!?!?
We are FED UP ....just like YOU !!!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
Actually immigration and border enforcement has continued under the Obama administration. What changed is that illegals are no longer deported without anyone checking to make sure they don't have children or elderly dependent relatives here. ICE is now required to be sure that appropriate arrangements are made to take care of the children of undocumented aliens before they are deported.
During the Bush administration children returned from school to find their homes empty and waited for Parents who had no opportunity to communicate with anyone about their children and no chance to pick them up from school. Sometimes social services picked up the kids, sometimes not. It was intensely traumatic for the children and exposed them to huge risk from sexual predators and criminals, who sometimes descended on areas to clean out homes and apartments after people were deported.
On some occasions where large numbers of undocumented aliens were picked up from an area, many children would come home to find their neighborhoods nearly deserted, with no one they knew to ask for help. It was indecent and utterly inappropriate for a civilized nation.
That's what Obama ended, a seven year old child coming home to an empty apartment, crying in the dark, terrified of the police and completely uncertain what to do. That is why I voted for the President.
July 23, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bullet06 (anonymous) says...
Get going and take your family with you.....there, wasnt that hard was it!
July 23, 2009 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
suec (anonymous) says...
again I ask...where does it say that the guy in this article is not here legally?
July 23, 2009 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vmirat90 (anonymous) says...
The solution is so simple. You don't make the jobs available to illegals. If there aren't any jobs, they won't come. Here is how you do it: you pass legislation that truly has some teeth in it visa vis hiring illegals. Make it a mandatory 50K fine and jail time. I guarantee that will stop the flow- provided it was truly enforced, which is another issue.
I don't fault the illegals for trying to better themselves, however, they are illegal and shouldn't be hired. Employers who hire them knowlingly, especially at the cost of undercutting American labor are total scumbags, and I wouldn't urinate on them if they were on fire.
July 23, 2009 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blacman (anonymous) says...
I have to wonder if all illegals get deported, who do you think would take the brunt of the criticism for the high (read white) unemployment rate? You guessed it.
July 23, 2009 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
PAUL Bowers......have you read the ART OF WAR ??
You Sir ...do not have CLEAR and CONCISE understanding.....!?!?!?!
The title MUST read "Illegal Visiting Immigrants Dilemma: Stay or GO..?"
An immigrant is one who is here LEGALLY...!!! With proper documentation and has followed the LAW..!!!!!
Everyone else is here on extended VISITATION...!!!!!
Paul....don't tell US here that CHarles Rowe changed the title of your article without telling YOU....!?!?! Charles is not that maniacal...!?!?!
Paul .....how do you think young children would be indoctrinated by your ....SPIN !?!?!
It is OUR children who will be paying taxes to benefit ....WHO...!?!?! LONG AFTER WE are immigrants to father TIME......!!!!!
PAUL.....wake UP.....!!!!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"If there were any great African poets, doctors, educators, scientest, religeous leaders, artist, etc., I never heard about them."
I was with you until this sentence, as it clearly shows your incredible ignorance of Human History and your particular racial/ethnic bias.
"You see Africans were not brought to this country because they were black. They were brought here because they were too dull to avoid it."
Do you feel that way about the Jews? Because according to Human History they were enslaved en mass long before the Africans. Taken from their 'homeland' and used as fodder for the Egyptians.
Were they also "too dull to avoid it"?
Are you man enough to address the descendants of THOSE slaves with such rhetoric?
I hardly think so.
Really streetlaw, in order to win a debate one must be able to do so.
The problem with you and other like minded individuals is that even when you do have a salient point, it's generally wrapped in the stink that I normally step over while walking my puppy Brutus in the dog park.
July 23, 2009 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
People Ive been saying this for years about ILLEGAL ALIENS but have been labeled a racist. I speak the truth and some of you also speak the same thruths as I but others are still brain washed about this matter.ICE I've got a great tip for you Los Puentes in North Charleston. Its solid. put down the coffee,contact the media,we know how much you love to have the press at your raids. It makes you look like you are doing something and it helps out when its time to move up on the latter at ICE.So hurry the media is waiting.Us local boys will stay out of your way,we know you like the glory.
July 23, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"The illegals steal jobs from my people and cause alarmingly high unemployment for our youths leading to dabbling in crime, and ultimately in prison or parole. send them back, now wouldn't be too soon."
blacman: let's be intellectually honest here. During Human History there have been several races/ethnicities of people that have been enslaved. Africans were not the first and unfortunately with Human Nature being what it is, won't be the last.
Also, there are far more pressing problems in the Black community than illegal aliens "stealing" jobs from 'our people'.
Getting into a pissing contest with some of less-than-esteemed posters on this site about racism & bigotry is an effort of futility.
They see nothing wrong with how they think, what they do and post on this website.
Conversely, blaming the White or Brown man for all of the ills facing our communities isn't productive either.
July 23, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"The solution is so simple. You don't make the jobs available to illegals. If there aren't any jobs, they won't come. Here is how you do it: you pass legislation that truly has some teeth in it visa vis hiring illegals. Make it a mandatory 50K fine and jail time. I guarantee that will stop the flow- provided it was truly enforced, which is another issue.
I don't fault the illegals for trying to better themselves, however, they are illegal and shouldn't be hired. Employers who hire them knowlingly, especially at the cost of undercutting American labor are total scumbags, and I wouldn't urinate on them if they were on fire."
Best Post of the Day Award!!!!
July 23, 2009 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Numba10 (anonymous) says...
did the article say the man who is the topic was an illegal----if it did I missed it----
Blacman---Obama is not a descendant of slaves---his father immigrated from Africa then returned-----and blacks were not the only group brought here by force--ever here of Savannah, Georgia and how it was founded----Also the first slave in the colonies was not black --do some historical research and quit whining about the past---and dont blame other people for the crime and drugs amongst the black community---Ask yourself how to stop it by taking action in your community---your community will get more support when the rest of the communities see people stand with the police instead of defending criminals and blaming others for thier criminal acts
July 23, 2009 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
nimuetre (anonymous) says...
Stay or go? Very simple... Legal? Stay.... Illegal? Get the hell out.
July 23, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa, The facts are the facts and the poster including me have posted them but you do bring up a good point on how to handle this problem.Good Job Best Post of the Day Award!!!! YES :)
July 23, 2009 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
YouKnowMe (anonymous) says...
hating hard today!
July 23, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mainermike (anonymous) says...
AS I SEE IT, by Mainer Mike Brown.
Being an immigrant in the U.S. is no picnic.
July 23, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Numba10 (anonymous) says...
Where's the picnic--I'm hongry
July 23, 2009 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mrjm (anonymous) says...
zoomru, the day is not complete without you posting your "hit list" - what did Sander's Contruction do to you?!!
July 23, 2009 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lumpy (anonymous) says...
This is a bloody shame!!!!
The Taco Bell dog died!
July 23, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justmetoo (anonymous) says...
no brainer, go and take the rest of the illegals with you. problem solved
July 23, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
YouKnowMe (anonymous) says...
and still hating
July 23, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ProudtobeanAmerican (anonymous) says...
"Blacman---Obama is not a descendant of slaves---his father immigrated from Africa then returned-----and blacks were not the only group brought here by force--ever here of Savannah, Georgia and how it was founded----Also the first slave in the colonies was not black --do some historical research and quit whining about the past---and dont blame other people for the crime and drugs amongst the black community---Ask yourself how to stop it by taking action in your community---your community will get more support when the rest of the communities see people stand with the police instead of defending criminals and blaming others for thier criminal acts"
Well stated Numba10. THIS gets the best post of the day award.
July 23, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SucksDoesntIt (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa, thank you. finally someone that can speak about the issue at hand without making it a race issue. i wish that more posters would (intellectually) think half a second faster than they typed.
July 23, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Numba10 (anonymous) says...
ProudtobeanAmerican-----TY
July 23, 2009 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whataday (anonymous) says...
Take a moment and walk by your nearest construction site or landscaping project.
If you happen upon a crew of Caucasian and African Americans what you'll likely see is one guy "working" and 10 guys sitting/standing around smoking, complaining and drinking mountain dew.
Happen upon a crew of Mexicans - many of whom are likely illegal - what you'll see is 10 guys working their butts off - many times until it's too dark to see - after having taken a 20 minute lunch.
Bottom line, illegal aliens do the jobs that many American's with their sense of entitlement and warped TV-fed hubris would refuse to do. There are very few instances where an illegal is taking a job that an American is actually willing to do.
Let 'em stay. Perhaps their work ethic will rub off.
July 23, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EleanorSargentTucker (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa,
I am with you 100%.
Well, I guess 99.9%. My dog's name is June Bug, not Brutus. But other than that, I completely agree.
July 23, 2009 at 3:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
YouKnowMe (anonymous) says...
whataday - well said! Bravo!
How many times have I seen Latinos working harder than anyother person. Then I see the white guy leaning on the shovel taking his 5th smoke break and it is 10am.
I hope the work ethic does rub off.....maybe we will be come producers instead of only consumers.
July 23, 2009 at 3:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fyrefighter273 (anonymous) says...
Yes the poor dog was 15 and had a stroke, I hear it was smuggled over the border and started as a bobble head dog in the back of an illegals Impala in East LA. The demon cracker who exploited this poor underpaid unknowing dog that come home from school to find it's family had moved before 4th period Mexican History class had explained the further exploitation of the Frito Bandito and Speedy Gonzales by the white American who would not pay them the wages paid to Daffy Duck and Mr Clean, said he had misplaced his I99 form, and was going to bury the dog back home in Juarez. A sad life through and through!
July 23, 2009 at 3:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Love2Laugh (anonymous) says...
Okay guys, take it easy on rubiolaus...while on the surface his/her statement is contradictory...any intelligent person can understand what he/she meant. If not, then ask yourself, how fast you were driving the last time you drove your car, if you went 1 mph over the speed limit, you were breaking the law...hence you are criminal....or are you? Instead of getting so caught up in semantics maybe the real issue should be the focal point of this discussion.
July 23, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
suec (anonymous) says...
amen whataday!
We hire latinos for our yard work. I don't ask for their papers any more than I would ask the white ro black guy for his. Woudln't that be racial profiling?? and that has been pounded into our heads to be a bad thing. To me it is mostly common sense.
Anyway back to the workers. I had a neighbor (black) who said his nephew would come rake our yard. he showed up one morning at 10. left at noon for lunch and never came back.
Then there was the white guy with the landscaping company who quoted us 3 times what I thought it was worth and then didn't even show up to do the job.
So yeah, maybe i am hiring illegals. Like I said, i don't check. but whatever they are, they get teh job done. They are pleasant and take pride in their work.
I also didn't check out the backgrounds of the crew that painted my house. I am pretty sure they were all citizens but I bet more than one of them was wanted for child support, DUI, title loans or bad checks.
July 23, 2009 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JohnS (anonymous) says...
As long as your company has less than 100 workers they won't ask for the I-9's. The key is stay under the 100 employee mark. Forget about hiring local rednecks for yard work or pool cleaning. They show up late and take too many breaks.
July 23, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CompostandWourier (anonymous) says...
Posted by wjhamilton3 on July 23, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually immigration and border enforcement has continued under the Obama administration. What changed is that illegals are no longer deported without anyone checking to make sure they don't have children or elderly dependent relatives here. ICE is now required to be sure that appropriate arrangements are made to take care of the children of undocumented aliens before they are deported.
During the Bush administration children returned from school to find their homes empty and waited for Parents who had no opportunity to communicate with anyone about their children and no chance to pick them up from school. Sometimes social services picked up the kids, sometimes not. It was intensely traumatic for the children and exposed them to huge risk from sexual predators and criminals, who sometimes descended on areas to clean out homes and apartments after people were deported.
On some occasions where large numbers of undocumented aliens were picked up from an area, many children would come home to find their neighborhoods nearly deserted, with no one they knew to ask for help. It was indecent and utterly inappropriate for a civilized nation.
That's what Obama ended, a seven year old child coming home to an empty apartment, crying in the dark, terrified of the police and completely uncertain what to do. That is why I voted for the President.
WJHAMILTON,
Holy crap, I have read some amazing (and ignorant) posts by you but this may take the cake.
So tell me, what kind of parent leaves a 7 year old child alone?
Is that a bad situation? Yes
Did anyone force them to break the law? No
Should we stop arresting anyone because they may have a 7 year old child running around? Hell no!
By your logic no crime should be punished, no criminal arrested, no consequences for actions. That is why you voted the way you did.
If you choose to break the immigration law you should be willing to accept the consequences, like any other law.
I fully support making reasonable effort to maintain the safety of children of legal or illegal immigrants or citizens but anyone who leaves their 7 year old alone for 8-10 hours should be charged with child endangerment.
July 23, 2009 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Ntsrey (anonymous) says...
Why are there so many Mexicans on Johns Island and then they have access to Habitat for Humanity. Are they legal ?
July 23, 2009 at 6:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Now that it has been mentioned I don't ever remember seeing a hispanic doing the leaning on the shovel thing. Still the answer is to make it not profitable to hire them.
July 23, 2009 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Love2Laugh (anonymous) says...
Compost,
I think what hamilton is saying is that the parents of the children were being removed from the homes while the children were at school and the children were coming home to an empty house not knowing where their parents were. It helps to carefully read posts and not be so quick to lash out at one another...
July 23, 2009 at 7:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mon_Kie (anonymous) says...
"Go or stay"
(raising hand and squirming wildly in my seat)
I've got it, I've got it...pick me...pick me!!!
GO!
July 23, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Aristotle_384 (anonymous) says...
"Oh no - you say goodbye, and I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye I say hello
I say high, you say low, you say why, and I say I dont know - oh
Oh no - you say goodbye, and I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye I say hello
Why, why, why, why, why do you say goodbye, goodbye - wow
Oh no - you say goodbye, and I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye I say hello
Hello, hello - I dont know why you say goodbye' Paul McCartney
LOL Goodbye illegals.
July 23, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jazmin (anonymous) says...
I am born here in south carolina but my parents are form mexico you know not all people that came form mexico to the U.S. are criminals they work hard and pay there taxes too as other do but not all llegal person that work do there taxes and some of the mexicana have to pay the IRS back so if mexicana go back to mexico where do the states would get some of there money form. most states they get some money form mexicanas that dont have a DL and what happend that they go to jail and they have to pay money like may $1000 to get out of jail and who get that money.I also think that not all llegal person are going to do the jobs that the illegal person do everyday that get pay $5 an hour o even $4.
July 23, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BKLYNIRISH (anonymous) says...
"Posted by jazmin on July 23, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am born here in south carolina but my parents are form mexico you know not all people that came form mexico to the U.S. are criminals they work hard and pay there taxes too as other do but not all llegal person that work do there taxes and some of the mexicana have to pay the IRS back so if mexicana go back to mexico where do the states would get some of there money form. most states they get some money form mexicanas that dont have a DL and what happend that they go to jail and they have to pay money like may $1000 to get out of jail and who get that money.I also think that not all llegal person are going to do the jobs that the illegal person do everyday that get pay $5 an hour o even $4."
I'll put this as nicely as I can: If you are indeed here legally, I beg you to take advantage of our school system.
July 23, 2009 at 8:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
This is whole thing is indeed VERY damn simple:
Step 1 - Secure our borders. There is no point fixing the water damage on your floor from a leak if you don't fix the hole in the roof first. How do we do this? Hint, since we want to guard the nation maybe we could use this organization called the US Army National Guard.
Step 2 - Enforcement. Everyone in every US community knows where the illegals are living and working. It's common information. Agressive enforcement and deportation. This sill get many out and, because of step 1, they won't be able to easily come back. This will also make many leave voluntarily.
Step 3 - Guest Worker program. We need labor and Mexico / Central America has laborers. They need to apply in their country, get a biometric ID which allows them to work in the Us for a fixed period of time, and their taxes and portion of their earnings are deducted while they are here. They only get that portion of their earnings back when they leave (on time).
Step 4 - Jobs for welfare recipients. We need labor, but we have lots of unemployed people that we have to pay to live with my tax dollars. Perfect match! Able bodied welfare recipients and those getting unemployment benefits will be advised of job openings and can take them, or starve. Of course minimum wage applies.
ONLY FOUR STEPS, and all are realistically accomplishable. Well, except maybe getting the welfare recipients to work. Does America have the will to do what needs to be done? I'm not hopeful.
July 23, 2009 at 10:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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