Test-score investigation ended
SLED inquiry drew no conclusions about gains made at downtown school
The State Law Enforcement Division has wrapped up its investigation into alleged test violations at Sanders-Clyde Elementary School downtown without drawing any conclusions or spurring any criminal charges.
The investigation leaves many unanswered questions about the improbable gains made by the school's students and the higher than average number of wrong answers that were erased and corrected.
MiShawna Moore
Sanders-Clyde also saw a massive drop in students' scores after intense monitoring of its testing process. All of those factors led to the Charleston County School District asking the state last fall to look into the situation.
The state investigation failed to provide further insight into what caused or created the anomalies.
"I, like anybody, would have appreciated a more final conclusion and explanation of this is what could have happened, and this doesn't really say that," Superintendent Nancy McGinley said.
Sanders-Clyde Elementary was among the district's lowest-performing schools when MiShawna Moore became its principal. The high- poverty school made dramatic improvements under Moore, and eventually outscored district and state averages.
School officials held up Moore's work as a model for others and gave her another struggling school to transform.
In 2007, an unusually large number of Sanders-Clyde students' test scores jumped two performance levels.
District officials consulted with the state and found that the school also had a higher-than-average number of answers that had been erased and corrected, which could be an indication of cheating.
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District leaders monitored the school's testing the following spring, and a few weeks later, Moore decided to leave Charleston for a job as an assistant superintendent in Halifax County, N.C., schools.
The state released the school's results in the fall, and its scores dropped an average of 31 percentage points, while its number of eraser marks returned to the statewide average.
The seven-page summary of the investigation conducted by SLED covers interviews with district and state school officials, Sanders-Clyde teachers, the school's testing coordinator, Moore and a representative of the company that developed the Palmetto Achievement Challenge Test taken by the state's students.
SLED was investigating allegations of testing fraud from May 7 to 17, 2007.
The report, which The Post and Courier has repeatedly requested since last month, is dated May 18. It included little information that had not already been revealed through the newspaper's investigation and reporting on the school.
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Test police monitor school results, published 11/02/08
SLED Capt. Roger Heaton, who reviewed the investigative report and made the decision to close the investigation, could not be reached for comment.
In an interview with the newspaper last year, Moore said she did not change students' answers, nor did she advise anyone else to do so.
Moore attributed the drop in scores to the district-imposed monitoring, which changed the school's testing environment.
She did not have an explanation for the eraser marks. She did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday.
Moore still could face penalties from the South Carolina Board of Education.
Although no criminal charges have been filed, the board can suspend or revoke teaching or administrative certificates for educators who demonstrate unprofessional conduct, said Jim Foster, spokesman for the state Department of Education.
The board's committee tasked with reviewing this case had not evaluated it yet, he said.
McGinley said the school district never pointed fingers or drew conclusions about what happened, and did not have reports of specific wrongdoing by anyone.
"I still don't have any reason to assign blame to any specific individual or individuals," she said.
"I'm relieved that the investigation was done, and I hope that people respect the objectivity of the investigators who conducted it."
McGinley said she has learned that the district needs to look closer at schools' performance on the state's standardized exam in comparison with their performance on benchmark testing that occurs within the district throughout the year.
Sanders-Clyde students scored among the worst in the county on the district's computer-based test, but it scored among the best on the pencil-and-paper PACT exams.
McGinley said those discrepancies could be early signs that officials need to monitor schools.
McGinley said her and staff members' observations led her to believe that Sanders-Clyde did make progress under Moore, and it's unfortunate that the testing irregularities overshadowed the good work done in a challenged school, McGinley said.
Reach Diette Courrégé at 937-5546 or dcourrege@postandcourier.com.
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bunting (anonymous) says...
Where there is smoke...
July 15, 2009 at 12:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestt (anonymous) says...
Another Sotomayor in the making. We can't presume to question her judgement she is probablly wiser than us. Can someone reach out to the NC board of education and expose this rat?
July 15, 2009 at 12:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lazy2009 (anonymous) says...
Sorry folks, alot of kids in Charleston are dumb as rocks. Its a sad fact. One can blame the schools, teachers, parents and whoever else but at the end of the day many students simply don't have the squash required to grasp basic concepts. I don't know if this Moore character cooked the books or not, but it would seem she had the good sense to get out of the puddle of dummies otherwise known as the Charleston County School system.
July 15, 2009 at 2:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reader (anonymous) says...
"Sorry folks[.] Alot (sic) of kids in Charleston are [as] dumb as rocks. Its (sic) a sad fact. One can blame the schools, teachers, parents and [whomever] else[,] but at the end of the day[,] many students simply don't have the squash required to grasp basic concepts."
So true. So true.
But seriously, I agree that there are some dumb kids out there. In this case, though, did the huge drop in test scores take the school BELOW where it had been before Moore took over or did things just drop back to the original level? In fact, do we know whether the most recent results -- even at 31% lower than the cooked level -- might have even been a slight up-tick from where the scores were before Moore?
It seems like Moore most certainly was involved in this matter, and she should have been fired had she not left. Still, I wonder how the scores compared when not doctored.
July 15, 2009 at 4:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhoCares (anonymous) says...
Me thinks someone should be investigating SLED! First they can find no evidence of wrongdoing on Sanfords booty-call trips to Argentina and New York, now they can find no wrongdoing in this school fiasco. I'll bet they couldn't even find their collective heads ...although we could tell them where to start looking... but(ts) they wouldn't believe us I'm sure!
July 15, 2009 at 5:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moorech (anonymous) says...
Thank you, Reader. Your re-write made Bunting's comments easier to read.
July 15, 2009 at 5:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
Swept under the rug, is all. SLED is not exactly a trustworthy law enforcement division.
Remember, SLED tipped off Arthur Ravenel in that matter concerning his son and a large sum of cocaine. There are a lot of big, rich names that mingle with that family.
July 15, 2009 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mb300sl (anonymous) says...
If you have to "monitor" the schools then you need to fire some teachers and administrators...
July 15, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
martin (anonymous) says...
SLED is losing credibilty at break neck speed.
July 15, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
WhoCares and Tides, yep. I think that I would fire my investigator. Does this remind anyone else about the emperor's new clothes.
July 15, 2009 at 7:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
STREETLAW (anonymous) says...
Is this the same agency that gave Sandford a clean bill of health.
We wonder how objective these investigation really are.
Can we really trust any politician or state employee in South Carolina to do the right thing?
July 15, 2009 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beentook2 (anonymous) says...
Time for the Duck theory. If it looks,walks and sounds like a duck, it is a duck. If MiShawana is capable of pulling off a con this large, she is destined for a greater calling. No doubt once she rips them off in North Carolina, she will become a candidate for Secretary of Education under NObama. Rather than calling on SLED they should have called DHEC to investigate. Have it on good authority that the water at Sanders-Clyde was spiked with brain cell growth hormone which only works with consistent use. MiShawana took the hormone with her to North Carolina and any day now we will read of elementary level children there bypassing high school and going straight to college.
July 15, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lazy2009 (anonymous) says...
I still write better than 99% of the kids being puked out of South Carolina schools.
July 15, 2009 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCHoser (anonymous) says...
What a complete waste of time and money. Why even investigate to begin with? Let's see, piss poor test scores 2 years ago, a miraculous turn around unsupervised along with high numbers of corrections, then a steep decline under supervision and electronic testing? Nah, nothing going on here-just business as usual and the kids are the ones that pay for it in the long run. And SLED can't draw and conclusions or findings? ROFL...what a joke!
July 15, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HERE_AND_THERE (anonymous) says...
No matter what you think, there are test score rigging going on everywhere there are tests being taken in this state. As a former teacher, I'm telling you that our State Dept of Education (miseducation), is only concerned with test scores and not intelligence. There is a difference and NO tests are not accurate indicators of knowledge. Practical application is. Most of our students in SC have no practical application of the knowledge they receive and thus are not adequately educated. Teachers, for the most part, aren't to blame as they get their marching orders from their district and also the state. I know of NO current teacher that is happy with what they are being made to teach and how it is administered. I'm sure I will hear from those ATTA BOY teachers who are "making the difference", "feeling the power" all that crap. Go ahead make your arguement, just remember there are rankings of state's and ours is right down there in the lower ten of states. It's a conspiracy right???? This state along with all of the others who can't seem to get it, better do so and soon, or we will see more student deaths, school violence, crime as a whole and a reduction in white collar job positions. Education is the only way to improve our society and our state needs to rid itself of this useless good ole boy/girl network that continually recycles and renames bad ideas for education. I've seen this in the profession and now out of the profession. MY children will not attend these useless and non-productive public schools. They are more screwls than schools.
July 15, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
WhoCares, Tides, STREETLAW - my thoughts exactly.
July 15, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
"Sanders-Clyde students scored among the worst in the county on the district's computer-based test, but it scored among the best on the pencil-and-paper PACT exams."
I have had just the opposite occur on occasion. Students perform exceptionally well on MAP testing throughout the year, show huge gains, then take PACT (now PASS) and score Below Basic or Basic. The two tests are NOT cut from the same cloth. PACT/PASS is based on SC's state standards whereas MAP is based on National Standards. Since MAP is a test taken on the computer, the computer can offer questions to challenge the child at levels well above his/her grade level.
All of that said.....a teacher/administrator would be an absolute FOOL to doctor any tests. We are paranoid to even handle the booklets too much!!!
July 15, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blacman (anonymous) says...
Can't help but wonder if the principal was a white woman. How about if she worked under the guidance of someone other than a black superintendent? Sled isn't Ghostbusters III, it's an impartial govt. arm. "Where there is smoke, there is fire". Oh really, take your logic and the duck test theory and see how the new, white superintendent is faring. N.C. 's gain will prove to be S.C.'s loss.
July 15, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CHRISJIII (anonymous) says...
Perhaps the low computer based scores show that there is a great need for more computer training and access for students at Sanders-Clyde.
July 15, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
http://www.ccsdschools.com/Our_School...
There's the link to Sanders Clyde on the CCSD website.
July 15, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
CHRISJ.....MAP testing is a multiple choice format. Read the question, click the answer. Unfortunately, that does not require much computer training. Our school even tests the kindergarteners!!!
HERE and THERE.....I agree with you about the state putting too much emphasis on standardized test scores. I have students who can perform quite well but as soon as they are put in that test setting for some reason they freeze up.
These tests usually show one thing. High poverty schools perform lower and low poverty schools perform higher. The higher the tax base, the higher the scores. NOT ALWAYS, but usually.
July 15, 2009 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nappyd (anonymous) says...
So these kids were geniuses for a month and then fell back down after that?
It's kind of like Barry Bonds's shoe & head sizes growing when he was in his late 30's. Not natural or normal at all.
July 15, 2009 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TRODI (anonymous) says...
osted by blacman on July 15, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Can't help but wonder if the principal was a white woman. How about if she worked under the guidance of someone other than a black superintendent? Sled isn't Ghostbusters III, it's an impartial govt. arm. "Where there is smoke, there is fire". Oh really, take your logic and the duck test theory and see how the new, white superintendent is faring. N.C. 's gain will prove to be S.C.'s loss.
Ok guy lets get this over with once and for all.
repeat after me.
DONT TRUS WHITEY..........DONT TRUS WHITEY.....DONT TRUS WHITEY...NOW THAT THATS OVER WITH.{sarcasm}
Our public education system is a joke.as here and there said its all about tests now.we really need to restructure our educational system.
July 15, 2009 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
What does this statement mean blacman -
"Can't help but wonder if the principal was a white woman. How about if she worked under the guidance of someone other than a black superintendent?"
Why is race interjected? seems like if we are to beleive the story is factual, what happened was that test scores went up dramtically, a review of the test documents showed and unusually high number of changed wrong answers, and finally when the tests were given again and monitored closely the results went way down. Everyone is free to draw thier own conclusions.
I'm not really sure what SLED is suppose to do other than present the facts. Without hard evidence or someone admitting to cheating they have nothing that can be proven.
It's sort of like the O.J. trial. lots of circumstaintial evidence but no witness.
July 15, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MontessoriMom (anonymous) says...
As teachers we are terrified to handle these tests we are required to give students. We feel our jobs are in jeopardy should one little thing even those out of our control go wrong. I work with students who are in self-contained special education classes for most of their day because their disabilities require an alternate curriculum, BUT come ever spring my 10th graders who have NEVER been in a mainstream english/math class are made to sit and take these tests. The same test as the general education 10th graders who are in grade-level classes.
Imagine you have never studied to be a lawyer, never even knew you could be a lawyer and all of a sudden one day in May you were made to sit for your LSAT's. My students have documented mental disabilities and some have Autism. They are made to go in a different room, many times with a different teacher and take a test that they cannot even read. It's a violation of their rights, but no one seems to care and their scores go against our school which makes us Special Education teachers and our students even more popular.
July 15, 2009 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
can anyone remember an investigation that sled was involved into that was successful? maybe sled has live beyond its useful purpose
July 15, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ysillyme (anonymous) says...
How the hello does race enter into this? Scores nationwide, not just in S.C., reveal that white students outperform minorities in every matchup. Yeah Marie-goodloe-Johnson was a super role model. As Harold used to opine, "Yeah she shows up preggers, unmarried, and ready to be a role model for the students of Charleston County". I believe she is Seattle's headache or arseache according to the Rocky D. radio program. The students test scores grew and Mishawna's ass flew!
July 15, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
MontessoriMom....I am disgusted every year when our special ed kids have to take these tests. To me it is a form of child abuse.
We have one in particular that really makes me sad. She is only mainstreamed during special area, is autistic, cannot identify letters or numbers, and has physical disabilities too. She has to endure these tests that prove nothing. All they do is impact our school's overall results.
Self-contained special ed students should NOT be required to go through the torture of these ridiculous tests.
July 15, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
ysillyme...If I am correct, Asians are considered minorities also, and all over America, it is shown that they out perform all races.
So your statement is as silly as you are.
Now, if your saying, that only blacks and hispanic's are minorities, then your point is taken, but only as far as the race as a hold.
July 15, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
STREETLAW (anonymous) says...
Btw, is the head of SLED black or white???
July 15, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
MontessoriMom and shoelaces, you know why your students have to take the test, don't you...probably because there are too many dishonest educrats that would coerce too many teachers into putting too many students into classifications similar to your students to enhance their overall test scores. Being in the system, you know that stands a good chance of being true. Of course the root problem lies with the testing and expectation that every student needs to attain the same minimum level of performance for an antiquated classical education.
July 15, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JustJennings (anonymous) says...
SLED is worthless. It is indeed rare when SLED does anything to a public official or employee who breaks the law and is one reason that South Carolina is a corrupt cesspool.
July 15, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MC29461 (anonymous) says...
SLED spent an unbelievable amount of time on this simple case and as usual was unable to come to any conclusions.
This investigation was a complete waste of taxpayer money and illuminates SLED's ineffectiveness due to the majority of their agents being politically appointed children of politicians.
July 15, 2009 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justlaughin (anonymous) says...
Let's see, the worst we can do is have the state dept of ed revoke her S.C. Teacher's License? Hmmm, now she works in NC, so that will really be a slap on the hand. The next thing you'll tell me is that the SC Republicans will only write a resolution of censure to slap the hand of Sanford for leaving his post unattended for a week. Wait a minute - - that really DID happen, didn't it?
Come to South Carolina, where big fish can break the law and turn their backs on their hired responsibilites and never be prosecuted...from the mountains to the sea...
July 15, 2009 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
I wonder if ysilly would decline care from a Black or Hispanic medical professional as he considers them of lesser intellectual & social value than Whites?
I wonder if he would refuse to hire a Black attorney?
I wonder if he would keep his child out of a classroom headed by a Hispanic teacher?
I'm just wonderin'...
July 15, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blacman (anonymous) says...
justlaughing
It doesn't have to be that way, people can and do make a difference. What are YOU doing to change your last sentence? Ever considered getting involved at the grass roots level? Look at what could happen when people do just that; A black man gets elected to the highest office in the land! And all of America benefits from these efforts.
July 15, 2009 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vulcan (anonymous) says...
Sadly, Lazy2009 represents the majority of adults who "think" they are smarter than a fifth grader.
The schools are not at fault. Its the stupid parents. Most parents would much rather spend $200 on their kid's shoes than buy books for them to read.
Our family watches a lot of TV but no (0%) network shows or sitcoms. Its mostly Discovery Science / National Geographic or PBS.
Most parents don't care to watch such shows and therefore can never influence their kids to watch them. Instead, we have cases like this 12yr old classmate of my son listening to "Bob&Tom" while his mom drives him to school. Needless to say, that kid is no longer invited into our home.
This is a systemic problem in the US. Check out this documentary called "2 Million Minutes" comparing our kids to those in India and China ... Youtube search for the term "3eZi-eXDw54".
Cheers //
July 15, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charles_Town (anonymous) says...
MontessoriMom and Shoelaces
if those are the facts my son's school is gonna have a helluva fight on their hands. My son has autism and being mainstreamed in most areas, but such a test would still be a very poor indicators of his abilities.
July 15, 2009 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
clisby (anonymous) says...
shoelaces:
"I have had just the opposite occur on occasion. Students perform exceptionally well on MAP testing throughout the year, show huge gains, then take PACT (now PASS) and score Below Basic or Basic. The two tests are NOT cut from the same cloth."
That's not at all surprising. But there's a big difference between having this sort of thing happen "on occasion" and in having it happen throughout the school, at all levels.
The fact is, the discrepancies at Sanders-Clyde, were way out of line with the rest of the district.
For those who criticize SLED, please remember - they are the State *Law Enforcement" Division. They are not the State Ethics Division, or the State Honesty Division. They are police officers. They are looking for evidence of crimes. That's evidence that can be used in a criminal prosecution, not evidence as in "Well, look at the test scores! It's obvious somebody cheated!" It would take a judge about a nanosecond to throw that out of court.
I think it's obvious something fishy happened with the scores at Sanders-Clyde.
But, just for the sake of argument, suppose only one or two people were involved. If they had the sense to shut up and claim ignorance, how on earth would SLED be able to provide evidence of wrongdoing?
"The scores are screwy so there must have been cheating so somebody must be responsible so it must be Mishawna Moore" may make perfect sense to a rational person. But it's not *evidence* you can present in a courtroom. Get real.
July 15, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lazy2009 (anonymous) says...
Vulcan, are you saying that you aren't smarter than a 5th grader? You see, my parents allowed me to explore life a bit. When Howard Stern came on the radio, I was allowed to listen. When an R rated movie came on HBO, I could watch it no problem. This allowed me to learn the difference between something truly offense and something that used profanity as a cover for a mediocre performance. I don't see much of a threat in Bob and Tom other than the fact they are not funny and laugh heartily at their own jokes. I'd say worry less about the kids who listen to Bob and Tom and more about the kids who are delving into drugs and alcohol.
July 15, 2009 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollnwflo (anonymous) says...
Has anyone seen the cost(total $) of this investigation? I don't know that I would pay for an investigation which refused to draw any conclusions. Wasn't that the point?
July 15, 2009 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
clisby (anonymous) says...
rollnwflo: " I don't know that I would pay for an investigation which refused to draw any conclusions. Wasn't that the point?"
Ummm ... no.
July 15, 2009 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
didn't she get a $25000 bonus for improving the test scores?
July 15, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bornin43 (anonymous) says...
Every time I read these comments from readers following a story on line I see indicators of how MODERN education is failing our communities.
At least fifty (50) percent of the comments have spelling and/or grammer errors. If this is represenative of the education people are getting these days, I thank God that I grew up when I did.
You all get a chance to proof read your comments before you actually post them, why don't you re-read them to see if they actually make sense.
I can't count the times I have seen the spelling "there" instead of "their", and comments posted with no puncuation.
July 15, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
bornin43 - Alas some of your observations are in error even if your grammar is not.
Many posters were not part of the MODERN education system. Whatever that means. Don't really know what the cutoff date was for that. Guess you had to be born in 43' or before. Anywho...
This forum is informal. People aren't writing resumes or cover letters. Most folks are just spewing out their thoughts as time allows between work, raising kids, etc.
If you really want to get pissed, try figuring out what a text message is saying, OMG that will have you ROFL....
July 15, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
P.S. Shouldn't there be a question mark after the word "sense"? Young whiper-snapper....LOL
July 15, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
After finding NO wrong doing on the part of mark Sanford and the Ravenel bug I dont trust SLED. As a matter of fact I have no confidence in any elected or appointed person in SC at all. its time to start all over again. The first thing we have to do is get rid of high stakes testing so teachers can teach skills that kids need to get jobs and live instead of skills they need to pass some D*** test.
July 15, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
chrisjill I saw that right away too, but there are people around here who will say and do anything to discredit the school system (Mark Sanford to name one) My teacher friends tell me the MAP test is a much more accurate analysis of a students ability than the PACT/PASS and its cheaper and the results are instant. yet our legislature continues to spend a ton of money on a test that THEY thought up to make themselves look good. The MAP is natioanlly normed, the PASS is SC's on version and from what folks say its awful. But its OURS
July 15, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
blacman, I would be remiss if I didn't say anything to you about injecting race into the conversation. It really doesn't matter what race this woman is, if she did something wrong then she needs to be punished. Period, end of story.
July 15, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
now_here_this (anonymous) says...
Today's assignment, boys and girls, is to find the three (3) spelling errors in bornin43's post lamenting our inability to spell.
For extra-credit, define irony.
July 15, 2009 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blacman (anonymous) says...
lovely_one
if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand it.
July 15, 2009 at 5:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
desspec (anonymous) says...
Now they need to go after Dot on NC City Council ...
July 15, 2009 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
blacman, I get what you are saying, but I still don't see how injecting race would add any substance to the article or to the discussion.
Your questions are asking if the the principal and superintendent were white would they be under the same scrutiny that Ms. Goodloe-Johnson and Ms. Moore are under at the current moment. The answer to that is simply, it really doesn't change the facts in the story above.
July 15, 2009 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rukiddingme57 (anonymous) says...
Uhm, bornin43, I hate to point this out, but the correct spelling is "grammar."
July 15, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MontessoriMom (anonymous) says...
Charles_Towne:
As of right now, a student with what is considered a mild mental disabilities, Autism or the like on the MILD level will take the HSAP during their 10th grade year.
The principal has no say. It's all mandated by the state. The principal I work for would rather not put the students through that type "torture" (my words) and have the students take an alternate test that truly indicates their levels.
Students falling in the moderate/severe/profound levels take an alternate test that is supposed to more accurately measure their abilities.
I am preparing to start my 17th year teaching special education and hope that one day the testing situation will change. If your child is in District 10, I look forward to meeting him or her in the future.
July 15, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reader (anonymous) says...
At least fifty (50) percent of the comments have spelling and/or grammer [Error #1: It is spelled GRAMMAR.] errors. If this is represenative [Error#2: There are two Ts in the word.] of the education people are getting these days, I thank God that I grew up when I did.
You all get a chance to proof read [Error #3: Proofread is one word.] your comments before you actually post them, [Error #4: This is a comma splice (i.e., two independent clauses joined with a mere comma and not a conjunction).] why don't you re-read [Error #5: Reread is not a hyphenated word.] them to see if they actually make sense.
I can't count the times I have seen the spelling "there" instead of "their", [Error #6: A writer's commas should be placed inside quotations even if not part of the quoted material.] [Error #7: Another errant comma!] and comments posted with no puncuation. [Error #8: Punctuation is spelled with a T in it.]
Any others?
July 15, 2009 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reader (anonymous) says...
[Error #9: As Fred-Durst1 pointed out above, there was supposed to have been a question mark instead of a period in one of the sentences.]
Boy, an average of more than two errors per sentence!
If Bornin43 is gunna throuw bricks,, I gess hee'd better move outta that glas howz?
July 15, 2009 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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