Boeing: In for a landing
Aerospace giant buys Vought's North Charleston facilities
Boeing Co. is stretching its wings in the Lowcountry with an acquisition that puts the Charleston area in line to land a full-scale assembly plant for the 787 aircraft and hundreds of jobs that would come with it.
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Visitors crowd around the first production model of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner airplane in 2007 during a ceremony at Boeing's assembly plant in Everett, Wash. Boeing has purchased the North Charleston Vought plant, one of its key 787 suppliers.
The aerospace giant on Tuesday confirmed previous reports that it is buying the North Charleston operations of Vought Aircraft Industries Inc., one of its key 787 Dreamliner suppliers.
Vought said it is selling its business at Charleston International Airport because it is struggling beneath the debt it has had to take on to start making aft fuselage sections for the new passenger jet. It said in a statement that "the financial demands of this program are clearly growing beyond what a company our size can support."
The $580 million sale, which does not include more than $400 million in advances Vought won't have to repay Boeing, is expected to close in about 30 days.
"Integrating this facility and its talented employees into Boeing will strengthen the 787 program by enabling us to accelerate productivity and efficiency improvements as we move toward production ramp-up," Scott Carson, chief executive officer of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said in a written statement.
Meet the new boss
Vought has about 600 employees and contractors at its factory off International Boulevard. They were notified of the sale early Tuesday at a meeting led by Scott Fancher, Boeing's vice president and general manager of the 787 program.
All of the workers will be offered jobs with Boeing, Fancher said.
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"I think the reaction has been generally positive," he said of Tuesday's announcement.
The Vought deal has fueled speculation within the aviation industry that North Charleston is the front-runner for a proposed second production line for the 787, which Boeing now pieces together in Everett, Wash., with parts flown in from vendors around the world.
That prospect of losing the investment and the jobs that the plant would bring has bruised corporate egos and put Boeing boosters on alert in greater Seattle, the longtime home of the company's aircraft manufacturing hub.
Getting off the ground
After making a splashy debut, the 787 has seen its share of bumps.
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Deliveries of the lightweight jet have been pushed back by about two years, mainly because of problems with parts made by some suppliers, including Vought, though an eight-week strike by union workers last year did not help. Those delays are expected to cost Boeing billions of dollars in expenses and penalties.
Fancher, who has been in his job for about six months, said many of the startup glitches have been ironed out and that the quality of the parts is exceptional.
He said the 787 is unlike any other commercial airplane because most of the fuselage is made from lightweight composite materials instead of aluminum. Also, most of the major structural pieces arrive in Everett with all of the hydraulic lines, wiring and other systems already installed, a break from Boeing's past practices.
The purchase of the Vought plant was attractive because it will give Boeing "direct knowledge" into what it takes to successfully complete a fuselage section. That insight will enable the company to make the entire manufacturing process flow more smoothly, he said.
Another new plant?
Fancher said the company already is studying sites for a second assembly line, partly to help get the 787 back on schedule. Boeing had 850 orders on the books as of Tuesday, a number that has been slipping as cancellations rise.
"We have a large number of airplanes in our backlog, actually an unprecedented number of airplanes in the backlog," Fancher said. "So in order to meet the commitments and projected or anticipated commitments going forward, it's likely we'll need a second production line."
He said the airport site will almost certainly be among the mix of contenders. He noted that Boeing last year bought a 50 percent stake in Vought's neighbor, Global Aeronautica, which also makes 787 fuselage parts.
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"Clearly, we have a footprint here in Charleston, with the Global Aeronautica partnership we have across the street and now with the Vought plant here that we're acquiring," he said. "So you can expect Charleston to be on that list of areas that will be considered."
South Carolina worked feverishly to attract Boeing to the airport several years ago, when the airplane maker was scouring the country for its first assembly plant location for the 787. The state offered what is now the Vought site and made the short list. But Boeing ultimately picked Everett.
Afterward, Boeing was closely involved in steering the Vought and Global Aeronautica supply plants to the 200-acre airport parcel, said Bob Faith, who was running the state Commerce Department at that time.
Faith said the state purposefully secured more land than Vought and Global Aeronautica would require just in case Boeing needed a secondary production line outside of the Puget Sound area.
"Now, Boeing is the one that has all of that expansion land available," he said. "I would say the state is extremely well- positioned to be competitive in that upcoming search."
South Carolina got a chance to woo Boeing officials in person Tuesday, when a group of lawmakers and other officials were invited to North Charleston to meet Fancher and to celebrate the deal at a private reception. Among those in attendance was Commerce Secretary Joe Taylor and two of his top sales executives.
"We are excited for both Vought and Boeing with today's announcement and we are committed to continuing to develop the assets and workforce necessary to allow Boeing to grow and continue to be successful in their North Charleston manufacturing operations," Taylor said in a statement.
Before the reception, Fancher said he fully expected the state to make a pitch for the assembly line.
Plane talk
Vought Aircraft and Global Aeronautica supply more than half of the fuselage for the 787 Dreamliner, a plane made largely from lightweight composites that Boeing Co. says will offer buyers significant fuel savings.
Vought makes the barrel-shaped tail section of the fuselage from scratch in North Charleston, a process that includes cooking the pieces in a huge pressurized oven called an autoclave. Vought has about 600 employees and contractors at the local plant. A strike at Boeing last year forced the Dallas-based company to lay off most of its production workers in North Charleston. Almost all have been recalled, the company said.
Global Aeronautica began as a 50-50 joint venture between Vought and Alenia Aeronautica of Italy. Boeing bought out Vought's stake in the company in June 2008 for about $55 million. Global modifies mid-section fuselage pieces made by Alenia in Italy. It has 1,100 workers and contractors at Charleston International Airport.
All parts that come through North Charleston are flown to Boeing's final assembly plant in Everett, Wash., on modified 747 cargo jets called Dreamlifters.
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BeastMode (anonymous) says...
The management team here at vought sucks!!
Welcome Boeing!!!
July 8, 2009 at 5:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BeastMode (anonymous) says...
The workers here at Vought are excited about becoming Boeing associates; hopefully they will treat us better than the previous management did. Since January we have been treated unfairly and unjust. The ridiculous "point system" we have here in place is designed to "terminate" employees. Now is the time to look forward.
July 8, 2009 at 5:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkcj (anonymous) says...
As a 20 year Boeing employee in Washington it is sad to see this company have to spend 1 BILLION $ to buy a company that has only proven 1 thing! It cannot build a part not an airplane a part on time and within budget. The 787 is the first commercial airplane we have ever been late to deliver. I see your paper also blames the strike on part of the delay which has no truth we cannot build what we don't have or don't have complete parts. Can you build the whole plane when you can't show that you can build just a part of it? 18 months ago $100 a share today $39 and falling thanks for your help S.C.
July 8, 2009 at 6:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fred_durst1 (anonymous) says...
An internet search reveals Boeing has delivered many planes late such as the 747 to name one. Maybe you mean late for first flight/ first delivery?.... Anywho papers other than the P&C also make reference to a strike causing problems such as the Wall Street Journal see ref below:
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.ar...
If I remember correctly, the out sorcing thing was a Boeing innovation where-by they would spread monetary risk to their suppliers. In hind sight maybe this wasn't an innovation.
July 8, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
china01 (anonymous) says...
Should I fly in something built by some fellow wearing a cami cap with a fish hook in the bill? Perhaps not.
July 8, 2009 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
I think kudos to the Governor (his transgressions aside) and his team and Mayor Summey are in order. They are expanding the runways at CHS to accomodate these upcoming projects and to attract new business. It is a pain to be a passenger since there are long taxi times but in the long run, if these jobs materialize--it is all for the better.
July 8, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkcj (anonymous) says...
Had we not went on strike would this airplane be flying right now? No way you still can't send us a complete part! How can it fly? It takes around 400 deliveries to see a profit when you factor in what we have spent and now add another 1 BILLION plus all the $ spent to send our people back there to help. Overtime here completing work that should have been done by the venders who know how much in penalties for late deliveries that # will never be known this airplane better be good because I don't think the 750 on order is enough to show a profit. Boeing had no choice but to buy out this company which is just a big pit they will have to throw hundreds of millions more into just to get a completed part. All they can do now is lie and try to cover up the fact that had this airplane been built here it would be flying right now! OUTSORCING DOES NOT WORK
July 8, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BeastMode (anonymous) says...
mkcj, I see your point. I guess when ship 7 arrived at 99% completed it wasn't good enough for you? Are you forgetting that this plant is only 3 years old? We are right now just starting to click again after your strike which laid us off for about 6 weeks. But don't worry we will handle the 2nd assembly line.
July 8, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RPSERV (anonymous) says...
Boeing, a great short term employer ???
Isn't Boeing notorious for layoffs ?
July 8, 2009 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Wboromom (anonymous) says...
I hope they do keep the employees on. After the training program they have, to finally get a decent job only to lose it would be awful. My son came back after college with a "great" job offer at a local company. It was rescinded after they announced a hiring freeze due to the economy, but was after he spent the money moving back here. He is hopeful that Boeing keeps everyone on. Its a huge opportunity for our area especially since they hint at putting more people to work. The job market stinks, any new jobs are welcome.
July 8, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tj (anonymous) says...
Wow some good news for our economy!!!
July 8, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
Larz, you are misinformed. The airport is owned by the Charleston COUNTY Aviation Authority. The airport runway was expanded for the Air Force C-17. The expansion (like everything else at the airport) is being financed by the US taxpayer.
Sumney has actually been a hinderance to jobs at the airport. He has been allowing various projects to be built around the airport that directly violate the safety precautions the Air Force set forth.
.......and the governor? He's been shopping for poontang so long that he could not even help the guy at the corner of Sam Rittenberg and 526 make the "Will work for Food" sign.
July 8, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tinmanforever1966 (anonymous) says...
hey mkcj we have people from charleston at everett right now and they are reporting back how lazy,laxidazical and uncaring about your work quality the workers there have and all i can say is it is in the publics best interest to get this program moved away from you guys down here to sc where we care about quality and public safety over how much we make.we are grateful to have jobs where as you guys go on strike every few years whinning over money
July 8, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
mkcj, It is OUTSOURCING you freaking moron!
As a union member and a US taxpayer let me inform you. It is absolutely stupid to incite a "right to work" state for work they perform and your local (if not the international) is filled with fools if they have not realized this fact. Seeing as Boeing is a defacto US government entity, the union would be well served to be friendly with the local population here within US borders. It is proven fact that the entire industry has been subsidized by the US taxpayer since it's inception. Boeing, being a shareholder owned company that WILL seek a profit has only sought out the cheapest work force available within US borders. You should consider yourself lucky that Boeing and the industry as a whole is subsidized so heavily. It is that fact that kept the manufacturing of this plane within US borders. Otherwise, your fuselage would be arriving via our "free trade" partner Mexico. Don't believe it? Take a look at the automotive industry.
Fact is that your union is stupid. They are stupid for a number of reasons but reason number one is that they chose to strike in the worst economic conditions known in over a half a century. They chose to strike for benefits that YOU will ultimately give back. Worse, they chose to strike rather than realize the political climate. It is up to that union to organize this manufacturing facility to bring their wages and benefits in line with yours. This economic fact is something that you nor the union seem to realize. The parts (if not the entire plane) will be built in South Carolina. Your only chance to survive in the battle for US taxpayer dollars is for this wage and benefit package to rival yours. Much to the memberships dismay, extortion through strike has not and will not ever work to achieve your goal.
July 8, 2009 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Zod,
Try to think out of the box (for once) and think that this plant does not even think of coming here without outside incentives from politicians. Sure, the funding came from taxpayers but someone (governor, mayor, senators, reps, CCAA, perhaps all of them and others) did the arm twisting and acquired the funding for it. Funding that didn't go for your public housing, EBT or "green initiatives."
This may be too simple for you to understand in your hemp-induced coma so I understand if you are clueless.
July 8, 2009 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
Hemp induced? Who is smoking the hemp?
What in the following statement was based in fact? Who is clueless?
All that I see is an apology for an obvious derelict of duty governor and a Mayor whose greatest claim to fame is a failed real estate venture with land GIVEN to him by the US government.
Posted by Larz13 on July 8, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think kudos to the Governor (his transgressions aside) and his team and Mayor Summey are in order. They are expanding the runways at CHS to accomodate these upcoming projects and to attract new business. It is a pain to be a passenger since there are long taxi times but in the long run, if these jobs materialize--it is all for the better.
July 8, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rocks66 (anonymous) says...
What does "..in line to become..." mean?
Rumors have abounded that this sale was precipitated by major quality control issues at the local facility, which some attributed to the caliber of talent available here. Given the school system, such that it is, and the dearth of major high tech industries in the area, does it really seem credible that Boeing would select this site as it's "Second Plant"? That would be a commerce coup of the grandest order.
July 8, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Zod,
Union member (obviously not Management material) let me walk you through this:
You said:
All that I see is an apology for an obvious derelict of duty governor and a Mayor whose greatest claim to fame is a failed real estate venture with land GIVEN to him by the US government.
This has nothing to do with bringing more jobs to the area which is what my comment:
I think kudos to the Governor (his transgressions aside) and his team and Mayor Summey are in order. They are expanding the runways at CHS to accomodate these upcoming projects and to attract new business. It is a pain to be a passenger since there are long taxi times but in the long run, if these jobs materialize--it is all for the better.
If it strokes your ego to make political points well then stroke all you want. Lord help us if we ever get someone like yourself and your lack of foreward thinking in power. Oh wait! That is our State Legislature! We are doomed! Are you Glen McConnell? Jim Rex? Fowler (foul mouth)?
July 8, 2009 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
I understand that Seattle considers the Charleston location a threat. The pis shrinks and the kids fight.
Has anyone actually flown one of these planes through the air in the real world yet? Does it actually fly and if it has, for how many hours?
July 8, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Greenboard (anonymous) says...
Selecting Charleston as the new BOEING site makes good business. First of all, it is much warmer, reducing maintainence on the buildings. Getting away from a Union who is proned to striking is a good step while staying in the United States as opposed to Mexico is a strong plus. Finally, those comments about people who wear "fish hooks in their hats": Charleston has, in the past, overhauled many nuclear submarines for the US Navy, provided support for surface ships, and has always had a supply of skilled labor. People who eat grits in the morning and like fishing are much more relaxed and happy with themselves. Besides, the Charleston area is outstanding with it's old city and great beaches. The area will attract young people out of college (Clemson, Duke, GA Tech) looking for a job.
July 8, 2009 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UberBlitzkrieg (anonymous) says...
Zod, You are an idiot. Summey a hinderance?! Name me one airport that does not have anything in their flight path. Second... the runway is NOT being extended for the C-17. It can land the shortest out of any plane in the Air Force, or for that matter the ENTIRE WORLD! You need to GET YOUR facts straight.
You will be seeing 787's and A380 Airbus's flying in and out of here in less than 4 years.
Mayor Summey, who is on the Aviation board, does not take a dump without a plan. Do you think that these runways are being extended just for fun. WOW then all of a sudden Boeing is bringing in this big MANUFACTURING facility for the 787.
PLEASE.... read between the lines people.
July 8, 2009 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
Yea! Some jobs for our area. I don't care if it was Sumney or Sanford....whoever kissed babies and got the deal....YOUR GREAT!
(today only - tomorrow no punches pulled)
July 8, 2009 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luna (anonymous) says...
doh - you're
July 8, 2009 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodforyou (anonymous) says...
BMW continues to expand it's SC operations, so they must be pleased with the work of their SC employees and local suppliers. A Boeing assembly line is what SC needs, wants and will support at every level.
July 8, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodforyou (anonymous) says...
No, Hamilton, it doesn't fly, they're going to hook one of those carriage horses to it and haul tourists around. Seriously though, it is close to its first test flight: www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/n...
July 8, 2009 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UberBlitzkrieg (anonymous) says...
also Zod, lets talk about the Unions in the Great State of South Carolina.
I have only two examples for you because that is all I really need.
Longshoremen + Maersk = bad for Charleston & SC
Steel Workers Union 7898 + ArcelorMittal = bad for Georgetown & SC
I bet if they had another chance they would take that $3+ paycut in Georgetown... now all they have is unemployment.
July 8, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
studley (anonymous) says...
Boeing makes the jets that fly to Argentina. Now I get it!
July 8, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
icbmman (anonymous) says...
Uh, UberBlitzkrieg, name me one AIR FORCE BASE combined with an international airport that DOES have large retail centers, a conference center, and a freaking coliseum in the runway crash zones.
Summey has been completely oblivious to the needs of the airport and the Air Force base with trying to establish a pseudo-downtown in the middle of these crash zones. The Chas County Aviation Authority and the U.S. Senators Demint and Graham have been the biggest contributors to the Vought and GA plants coming, as well as runway expansion (federal property requires collaboration with the state governor and Senators).
As for Boeing's purchase, this could be another step towards the ultimate goal: building an aviation industry cluster in Chas. More aviation companies could locate to the Chas area, generating more jobs. This is great news.
July 8, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fragdemon (anonymous) says...
Since I see that the doors are made in France, I will make note to remember to never sit in the seat next to the doors. I would not want an early ejection out of the plane. We know its a given unions are bad here in the states at manufacturing things, i.e. automotive industry, but God an entire nation of lazy workers such as France makes our union workers look like John Henry's.
July 8, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
I know nothing about Boeing other than what they claim on their grandiose television commercials.
I do however know something about South Carolina workers.
When I sailed on merchant ships Charleston was the fastest turn around port on the east coast.
When I Worked in the Charleston Naval Shipyard it was a known fact that the Charleston yard not only had an outstanding record for getting the jobs out on time but often under budget.
Folks here at that time must have been doing something right even if we think fish and grits happens to be the best breakfast food on the planet.
It is possible that the huge influx of people from other parts of the country over the past decade has reduced the overall quality of our workforce but that remains to be seen.
So all you insufferable snobs from the soggy northwest who know nothing about Charleston and the people who live and work here need to take a hard look at your own ineptitude instead of imagining ours.
July 8, 2009 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhyDoIBother (anonymous) says...
Greenboard.....BEST POST OF THE DAY!!! Are you in Sales?
Selecting Charleston as the new BOEING site makes good business. First of all, it is much warmer, reducing maintainence on the buildings. Getting away from a Union who is proned to striking is a good step while staying in the United States as opposed to Mexico is a strong plus. Finally, those comments about people who wear "fish hooks in their hats": Charleston has, in the past, overhauled many nuclear submarines for the US Navy, provided support for surface ships, and has always had a supply of skilled labor. People who eat grits in the morning and like fishing are much more relaxed and happy with themselves. Besides, the Charleston area is outstanding with it's old city and great beaches. The area will attract young people out of college (Clemson, Duke, GA Tech) looking for a job.
July 8, 2009 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/20...
"The U.S. Air Force, which owns the runways, will cover about $80 million of the cost"
"another $60 million to $100 million would have to be cobbled together from federal, state and county sources"
---I'm sorry but I miss the reference to CITY money.
"The airport could qualify for money from the Federal Aviation Administration, though it would have to tap into a number of other funding "buckets"
"Airport officials recently made their case to state House Speaker Bobby Harrell. They plan to brief Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell on the proposal soon."
"To help drum up support and financing for the project in the Pentagon, the county and the chamber have enlisted Col. Glen Joerger, who retired in June as commander of the 437th Airlift Wing at Charleston Air Force Base. The two groups each agreed to pay Joerger $9,000 for six months of consulting."
-----I'm sorry but I missed the reference to Mayor Sumney. He must have been planning to take a dump.
-----I also missed a reference to Governor Sanford. He must have........ Well, we all know what he was doing.
July 8, 2009 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheTruthFighter (anonymous) says...
AmericanZero - please explain more I surely would like to know more opinions on this subject. I knew before many folk at American LeFrance that she was full of nothing. She is more concern on showing legs and other body parts, appearing on FOX News than really running a first rate organization. She and her lousy team tired their best to place blame on a Fortune 500 company for their failures of the initial purchase of the business. When that did not work, then it was the software. Always placed blame on others and did not look at her. She placed idiots at the helm of the business and the bankruptcy proceedings were ridiculous; for the life of me, can't understand why the US Bankruptcy Court approved the deal. It makes me sick and I'm not even an employee of American LeFrance that she would jeopardize a business of 100 years with so much history. She is in the business of raiding firms and leaving them in the dust. And on other tip, some of these BIG company's move to SC because of the cheap labor; so don't get it twisted. And what is up with the "Points" thing? One of the biggest collection firms in the US has an office in N. Charleston and they installed the system on the slaves, oops workers! Is this the new whip on the people?
July 8, 2009 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
a friend of mine works for boeing as one of the chief engineers/inspectors, he had to make several trips overseas to I think Japan? where they have been "trying" to make part of the fuselage...
he tells me the hold up has been an overseas vendor, not Charleston... the vendor can't seem the make the fuselage the right side after countless tries... one end is always out, less than an inch, but it's wayyy too far to be acceptable
he's had to go overseas to try to figure out what they are doing wrong, but everytime they retool up they still have it off... last I heard Boeing was tired of wasting the millions for them to keep getting it wrong and was going to take over that operation too
this was a part of the fuselage that has to come here to Charleston for our people to finish it up
Charleston can't finish what isn't there... it's the usual outsourcing overseas that's the hold up... NOT Charleston
July 8, 2009 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkcj (anonymous) says...
Tinmanforever the reason we have a bad attitude here is because we get tired of having to fix everyone else's crap do it right the first time PLEASE.
Zod I thought the whole idea of OUTSOURCING was to save $ and now they have to spend a billion dollars to hopefully get the parts we need on time sounds like a great business plan to me.
July 8, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tinmanforever1966 (anonymous) says...
everyone elses crap?lol we have contractors here that worked there that say our quality is vastly supperior to yours.your union workers dont care about anything else but getting a paycheck and dont worry about quality because the iam will always intervene on their behalf.
last year you went on strike and didnt care that your iam brother here in sc got laid off because of you.
July 9, 2009 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tinmanforever1966 (anonymous) says...
mkcj,and something else to concider when talking about s.c. it has one of the worst educational systems in the nation and it shows sometime but when you pay aircraft mechanics $12 to start youre not going to get the best mechanics.would you work for $12 per hour?so vought got what it paid for now that we have boeing coming in here perhaps that will start to change but having said that we have made great strides here in terms of producing a quality component and our quality still out shines yours.
July 9, 2009 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tinmanforever1966 (anonymous) says...
yes i know i misspelled consider i was trying to be funny lol
July 9, 2009 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BeastMode (anonymous) says...
TinMan, if I didnt know you, I would think that you wore a cami hat with a fishing hook in the bill.
July 9, 2009 at 12:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tinmanforever1966 (anonymous) says...
yeppers indeede good neighbor beastmode..i cant twk long izz going to falilee reunion to pick up chix
July 9, 2009 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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