Organizers depend on DeMint to deliver views
By Tony Bartelme
Sen. Jim DeMint
On a broiling Independence Day morning, more than 800 people crowded into Cannon Park in downtown Charleston for a sequel to this spring's anti-tax "Tea Party"— minus one of the movement's standard bearers, Gov. Mark Sanford.
When Sanford spoke to thousands of protesters April 15 at the U.S. Customhouse, he had emerged as a leading national critic of the Obama administration's economic stimulus strategy.
Now, in the wake of Sanford's personal and political meltdown, Tea Party organizers are depending on others to tout their anti-big-government views, particularly U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint.
At Saturday's event, the South Carolina Republican signed copies of his new book, "Saving Freedom," and basked in the adulation of conservative voters concerned about the country's direction. In a speech, DeMint railed against the Obama administration's spending strategies to revive the economy. "There's only one word for it: It's socialism," he said.
Saturday's Independence Day Tea Party, one of many held across the country, comes amid two weeks of bad news for conservative Republicans. In addition to the Sanford saga, Minnesota courts ruled that Democrat Al Franken had won that state's Senate seat, giving Democrats enough votes to bust a Republican filibuster. Then, on Friday, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin surprised nearly everyone when she announced her resignation after 2 1/2 years on the job.
"I don't know what to make of that (Palin's move)," DeMint said later in the cool wood-paneled confines of his colorfully painted bus. "We've had a couple of people drop the flag. But it's a reminder that this is about principles, not people, so we just have to keep moving forward." Of Sanford, he said, "it's hard when a friend takes a fall."
During Saturday's event, Sanford was mentioned briefly by only one of the speakers, state Sen. Larry Grooms, a Republican from Bonneau running for governor. Grooms echoed DeMint's comments that "our cause is not about personalities; it's about principles." Sounding much like Sanford, he then criticized his own party's passage of what he described as "one of the most irresponsible budgets in the state's history." He added that South Carolina could serve as a model for the rest of the nation. "I believe that South Carolina is the hope of America," he said. "South Carolina is known around the world for its conservative values."
Grooms and others in the crowd had mixed feelings about the news of the past few weeks. Grooms has called on Sanford to resign over the recent revelations that the governor had trysts with an Argentine woman. In an interview before his speech, Grooms said he found it interesting "the governor of Alaska resigned while the governor of South Carolina was in Florida on vacation."
George Hudgins was carrying a sign with a Soviet flag and the words, "Obama has a prescription for America." He drove from North Myrtle Beach to attend the day's event.
"I was shocked when I heard about Palin. I had a lot of hope for her." He felt a sense of betrayal over Sanford, another leader he respected. "He should have known better, especially with his history with Slick Willie," he said, referring to former President Bill Clinton and Sanford's calls for Clinton to resign over his affair. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
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schrutebeetfarms (anonymous) says...
"I believe that South Carolina is the hope of America," he said. "South Carolina is known around the world for its conservative values."
Seriously?
July 5, 2009 at 1 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sardis12 (anonymous) says...
Sanford and DeMint. One down, one to go...
July 5, 2009 at 2:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BillytheKid (anonymous) says...
I am sorry, I have to leave the state for a week or so, I will be back. I need new everyone. We start at the top and go down from there.
July 5, 2009 at 3:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BillytheKid (anonymous) says...
De=I follow the money.
July 5, 2009 at 3:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BillytheKid (anonymous) says...
It took seconds to find out that there was NO issues with the governers office. It should at least took a day.
July 5, 2009 at 4:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BillytheKid (anonymous) says...
"Drop the Flag"? what a lost world you live in. I need a leader. You are not it.
July 5, 2009 at 4:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stoney1 (anonymous) says...
Principles? Since when did anyone in the Republican Party care about PRINCIPLES? Since your party had the advantages both in the Senate and Congress you were very instrumental in getting this country into the situation it is in now. The Country, including South Carolina, has voted for CHANGE, not the same old same old, get over it, if you don't like it come up with something different that will work but don't sit there and debate it session over session until you get you heads out of the sand once again. You may not care for Obama's policies but this country needed and still needs ACTION not more words and if we falter we fall together and we'll try something else. It is real easy to sit there out on the fence and criticize but since you were definitely part of the problem I would suggest you become part of the solution, people here would feel a whole lot better if we were all on the same team.
July 5, 2009 at 5:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GAL2000 (anonymous) says...
For years, you rearely, if ever, saw Jim DeMint in the news. Now in recent weeks, he is appearing everywhere in the news...somethings up!
July 5, 2009 at 5:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
It is nice to have SOMEONE from Washington at least mention fiscal responsibility and try to make the country aware that we are signing away our livelihoods for decades to come. If you have any money at all, circle the wagons. If you had any hopes of making any outside of government you might as well fall back and regroup. Bush bad, Obama 10 times (at least 5 times currently) worse. It's the spending, STUPID!
July 5, 2009 at 6:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MissLiberty (anonymous) says...
Thanks to the P&C for the fine unbiased coverage of the tea party. There were actually (and clearly) more than 2000 people at the celebration.
The tea party movement doesn't rely on any politician to be a standard bearer. While it's a shame about Governor Sanford, his exploits and the aftermath have absolutely no impact on our pursuit of smaller government and greater fiscal responsibility. Senator DeMint and Senator Grooms were welcome speakers because they champion those principles and adhere to them. If the reporter had bothered to really cover the event, he would have heard subsequent speakers rail against all politicians, including the ones who spoke.
As for posters wanting us to support Obama's policies - become part of the solution rather being part of the problem, well, that's exactly what we are doing. We acknowledge, and many signs in the crowd reflected this, that the descent into statism was caused by both parties. But neither larger government nor greater debt will solve our problems. You can sit around hoping for change, but we choose to actually implement it.
The president celebrated the passage in the House of the Cap & Trade bill. This is the largest tax to ever be imposed on the American people. If passed in the Senate, energy costs will increase substantially and you won't be able to sell your house unless it meets the new "green" standards similar to those that have killed the California housing market. Oh and you'll be pleased to know that the government will send inspectors into your home to see if it is up to standards.
Cap & Trade promises to make us less dependent upon foreign oil, but because we will be forced to stop drilling here, we will actually have to import more oil. The promise is that it's a painless (utopian) way to change the way we heat/cool our homes, transport people and goods, grow crops and raise livestock. The reality is that it's nothing more than a way to redistribute income from the people to the firms with the most clout in Washington.
July 5, 2009 at 6:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spengler (anonymous) says...
The State Media won't report the numbers of protestors correctly: they are afraid of you. If 5 hippie-commie protestors showed up, they would have mande it look like 500 by cropping the pictures. This news organ receives it orders from Kenyatta like the rest of them do. They can't stop it, though. It is going to grow. Americans did not vote for communism, nor the many lies of the current Chairman of the American Communist Party, er, 'president,' Frank Marshall 'Oboy' Davis, Jr.
July 5, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dawhetsell (anonymous) says...
DemoCRAPS or RePUKElecans, they is no difference because they are the peas from the same pod. Minnesota courts ruled that Democrat Al Franken had won that state's Senate seat, giving Democrats enough votes to bust a Republican filibuster. This means that you are going to get just what GOD has decided you get, just like the Isralites. I doesn't if you are a beliver or not, that will not change a thing that is going to happen. This country will chanage its ways and REPENT or GOD will leave a REMANENT. The choice is yours, repent or get what you asked for,MISERY, DEATH and SLAVERY.
July 5, 2009 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
martin (anonymous) says...
Jim DeMint is all about the cult he's been involved with in Washington: The Fellowship/ The Family/C Street.
Mark Sanford, too. Remember his spiritual advisor talking about Mark's C Street friends?
July 5, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
Tea Party movements don't have leaders nor do they need polticians to give them voice. It is the left that have given away their voices to polticians. They have created this cult of personality and chosen to worship it.
Many tea partiers don't even agree with one another but we agree that this current administartion is spending our children into oblivion. Tea Parties are neither republican nor democrat but I wouldn't expect anyone locked into their beliefs to show up and understand that.
That would be like expecting leaders to read bills before voting on them. Everything that is being tried now by our government has been tried throughout history in other countries and our own and THEY FAILED MISERABLY! It is being tried in individual states and those states are now bankrupt!
I wouldn't expect leftists to know this because it is hidden in books and not promoted in video games, movie theaters, or bathroom stalls in bars. Most countries that have enacted these ignorant policies have already reversed them after only a short period of time.
Tea parties are about celebrating our history, preserving our independence, and making sure our kids are not held accountable for one party's march toward Socialism with an army of zombies who think the govt is there to care for them.
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy; <YOU ARE HERE
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage
This is the story of our country if people do not stand up.
LIBERTY AND FREEDOM IS A HUMAN CONDITION NOT A GOVERNMENT ADMISSION!
July 5, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
The inherent deceitfulness of P & C reporting is beyond obvious. They simply LIED about the weather. It was not "broiling"--it was fairly comfortable. Check official NWS weather records if you don't believe me
This indicates a serious problem. LYING about something as fundamental and obvious as the weather, which we all experience, is part of a pattern of hyperbole meant to warp and distort. In this case, the obvious intention was and is to convey that, if you attend a TEA party, you will be uncomfortable. The secondary intention is to advance the insane global warming, climate change agenda
They lied as well about weather conditions at the opening of the Mount Pleasant Memorial Waterfront park on Friday. The temperature was 82 degrees at 4:30 in the afternoon. Obviously, the culture at the P & C is so sick that they even lie about the weather--anything to advance their caveman primitive left wing political religious cult.
If we can not trust our news media to shoot straight with us about something as obvious as weather conditions, this means that they are maniacal about advancing their world view and it also means that they actually believe that we are imbeciles. It means that we can not trust a word they say without verifying it elsewhere. This is why I am making such a point about the weather, because if they literally lie about the weather, that makes everything else in this article open to question. That's why this article is a rant about "Republican" problems, Mark Sanford, etc. instead of a recognition of the fact that NORMAL people who are not poltical protesters went there because they are rightfully worried, concerned, alarmed, and/or scared. It is also why they LIED about the size of the crowd. This is a transparent attempt to discredit the vent and all those in attendance.
July 5, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1stgenmills (anonymous) says...
This is drivel at most. Once again proof that the P&C hires from the bottom of the barrel.
The facts are that anyone involved with any of the Tea Party Organizations ...from volunteers to attendees depends on no-one but themselves to voice or "tout' as you say, their opinions about big government.
These gatherings across the nation are a spontaneous reaction by the people of the United States to an attack on the great American way of life and our constitution.
Demint was a citizen speaking.....from the heart as all the speakers were doing...no teleprompters required.
You did get one thing right though....the crowd was over 800. An estimate by an attendee EDUCATED in crowd control was over the course of the 4hour event around 2000-2250...in 93 degree weather....on July 4th....at lunchtime. Not bad......
July 5, 2009 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Oh right! AS IF Fox news gives to you straight without an agenda!
BTW DeMint is an extremist, and because of this I will work hard on my behalf for anyone that he runs against!
July 5, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
I am so pleased that I have so many for company. I don't expect anyone to hang onto my words--unlike the children who think they can lead us by the nose. Many, many people are independently reaching the same conclusions I am. Now that we are suspicious and therefore questioning, we are noting that the left wingers actually think that we are inferior and that they are just one news article, poll, Act of Congress, speech by Obama, or manufactured crisis away from us simply surrendering to their will, rolling over, and accepting being their serfs. Fortunately, the higher power that made this world and us didn't build it to left wing liar specifications. Thank God.
July 5, 2009 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
1stgenmills, excellent post.
Observations: The crowd was over 2000 at it height. It's very simple to understand the amount of square feet an average person occupies when standing, the square feet of Cannon Park, and then to correlate.
You made an honest mistake about the weather. The link below is to the ACTUAL weather data recorded for Zip Code 29401 (the penninsula south fo Calhoun street). The temperature was 86.0 F at 11:56AM four minutes before noon. Your were 7 degrees off. The temp never did reach 93 degrees. It was 89.1 at 1:56 PM.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/a...
As for you, GuidedbyStewart, your kind and your insane attmept to functionally enslave us has stirred us to anger. You favor tyranny. I suggest that you take a level-headed look at the fate of wanna be tyrants in our great country and what their fate was and is going to be.
July 5, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Oh and I forgot. The headline of this article is a lie, too. The organizers did not depend on Jim Demint to deliver OUR views. There were many speakers ranging from other politicians to concerned citizens to people who just had a chip on their shoulder. The crowd in attendance paid attention to every one of them, cheered them, and digested everything said by all speakers. The HIGHLY INTELLIGENT CROWD also spent a lot of time talking to each other and exchanging notes. Jim Demint was just one of many to most of us.
In other words, another Post and Courier lie.
July 5, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Carolinainfidel, you deserve reognition for an excellent post. I almost didn't give it you. Sorry for my near unintentional oversight.
July 5, 2009 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
MissLiberty (anonymous) says...
If Jim DeMint is an extremist because he favors smaller government, responsible spending, free market capitalism and an earmark-free Congress, then I am all for that sort of "extremism". The left has a difficult time absorbing such grown up concepts.
July 5, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mp123 (anonymous) says...
I agree with DeMint. I'm tired of all these liberal, commie, Obamacrats pushing us towards socialism with their police and fire protection, schools, libraries, roads and infrastructure. Who needs it!
July 5, 2009 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MissLiberty (anonymous) says...
Left obfuscates actual intent of tea party movement by presenting it as anti-tax rather than anti-irresponsble spending. Happy to support infrastructure, not happy to support statism. We are all created equal, but the outcome is up to us.
July 5, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
Too bad Sanford couldn't be there. He had a book coming out too.
July 5, 2009 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
postman-no one should rely on any one news source.
I have not found a consistently unbiased one yet.
I find that I must read multiple sources & cross reference the info given & then cross reference the cross references. It just about takes the skills of a PI to get an accurate picture of the news-especially politically oriented news (which most of it is).
July 5, 2009 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
You guys gotta go easy on these poor lefties. They haven't any good ideas to tout so they must attack ideas they don't understand. They can only borrow other peoples opinions and surmize fact from them instead of seeing facts and coming to an opinion.
Facts and liberals are not friends. Hell, they aren't even passers by. They are the product of FEELINGS not rationale. They hate themselves for being American because not everyone is so fortunate. They hate you for trying to be a successful American.
If a real liberal would read and UNDERSTAND liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg their head would explode or they would realize and adhere to their fascist roots. Unfortunately the book is full of facts and historical reference and lacks opinions to cling to so I doubt one would take the advice.
July 5, 2009 at 6:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
Jim DeMint is a dunderhead hillbilly who somehow stumbled into the Senate. Anyone who supports him should report immediately to a tall ledge.
Stop saying the Post & Courier "lied" about the weather. Your description of the weather as "comfortable" is an opinion, too. Get over it.
postman01: -2.
July 5, 2009 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rjparks (anonymous) says...
This reporter, Tony B., merely emphasizes the lack of journalistic proficiency that is sadly absent from most news mediums currently in circulation. I say currently in circulation because they (the news sources) are steadily shrinking, because they no longer consider the independent and intelligent reader to be a part of their target market. This being the case, it leaves their ever-shrinking circulation to a ever-growing populace (unfortunately) who is told how, and what, and when to think and act. This being the case there is no demand for journalism, because those of us with an appreciation for one's freedom to think for themselves, while assimilating a forthright, purposeful, industrial effort at an honest attempt to collect and report the facts as presented, no longer subscribe to news circulations such as this.
Now, the assumptions thus far would probably read like some of the earlier posts above, catergorizing me as a sore looser. And right you are! I am a little sore from losing...from losing America and the liberties she has afforded to me which are being threatened on a regular basis. Those of us involved in the Tea Party movement aren't saying that one party is so much better than another. What most of us are saying is that both parties currently are taking us to the same destination. It's just that one party is most certainly on the light rail, full speed ahead, while the other party (Mine) is moving much slower because some of us are refusing to get on board. The final destination being so far removed from what this country was founded upon and what has made her great! FREEDOM AND LIBERTY! From what? Do we even know? Freedom and liberty from the heavy hand of BIG GOVERNMENT. Once we have traded our liberty for government securities we will no longer be a free people.
The tea parties are attended by peoples of all parties. It is assumed to be only Republicans, probably because this is what mindless journalists report. We who attend tea parties see many problems with "our" party and if you were to listen, you would hear the discontent with our party coming through loud and clear. If the house and senate were filled with (our party types) we would still be sounding off, because we have awakened from our lethargic slumber. We understand that both parties need to return to the principles of liberty and adhere to the constitution, which was so wisely authored by our founding fathers to protect us, the people from the inherent corruption accompanying all forms of government, to which they have pledged themslves to honor and protect.
I sincerely hope that some of you, who are clinging to the mindless drivel coming from your victorious party, have the same opporunity as we, before it is to late for all, and all the good things about this wonderful country are lost.
July 5, 2009 at 7:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
Naked Yoga sounds like self gratification to me.
What exactly makes the man a dunderhead?
noun a dunce; blockhead; numbskull
is the definition in case you were just using a word you heard somewhere.
Can you point to some statements or actions that would back up your claim. Should you apply the same standard to other polticians would they not all end up as dunderheads or are you just a conservative hater?
Nice oneliner about the cliff but like most wackadoo statements, it completely lacks substance. I bet you read it somewhere and reposted it.
July 5, 2009 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
omarro1974 (anonymous) says...
In probably one of the most conservative states, on the Fourth of July, on a really nice day, with a U.S. Senator on hand, this is the best they could come up with?
Listen, I know you want the tea party movement to represent a real shift in the political landscape, but it isn't; It's the same old republican base that would have showed up at an pro-war rally, a anti-abortion rally, or a anti-homosexual rally. There is no real groundswell of support for it except in circles that were going to vote republican or libertarian anyway.
If you really know what socialism or fascism really is, maybe you would think twice before using those words. The same big deal about being an "intellectual" or a "liberal" or an "academic." America is easily frightened of words, regardless of what those words actually mean.
When Obama signed his tax relief legislation for the middle class in mid-February, everyone at my office got an email stating that the new tax rates would be reflected in our next paychecks, and in each paycheck going forward. And so they were. I am now taking home $70 more per month under the "tax-and-spend-socialist" Obama than I was under the supposedly anti-tax Bush.
I somehow doubt that most of the posters on this site make 250K a year, so the question is:
What are you complaining about?
Or what don't you REALLY like about the Obama presidency?
July 5, 2009 at 8:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
We are in the majority on this thread. A fact of life is that there is strength in numbers. The ultimate goal is to combine our superior ideas, knowledge, and abiltity to apply same with strength in numbers. That is the winning equation.
July 5, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rjparks (anonymous) says...
omarro,
I can see you love magic tricks and slight of hand. Have you looked closely at Cap-And-Trade and what that will do to your pocket book?
How about Socialized Health Care in its current form, and more than likely in any form unfortunately, what will that do to your pocket book? Someones got to pay for it.
What about the debt we have incurred from bail-outs and stimulus that isn't dribbling down to us, unless your seeing spending confidence that is not being reported? Let's see how you feel about your paycheck in two years when we have to begin paying back that money back with interest, and the state leaders come running to us for the bail-out. I bet they don't ask...they will just take.
What about the new energy referrendum? Who's paying for that?
Oh, I know your answer...NOT YOU! Because you don't make $250,000 a year! And you are right in your post, at least where I am concerned, I don't either. But guess who it will pass down to...who is always finally effected? Do you read history? Not history with a certain flavor...just world history? If you aren't on government welfare, which I assume by your post you aren't...you and I most assuredly will be effected in the end. Yes, we may be in different boats now you and I, but with current trends we will be in the same boat before long.
July 5, 2009 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MissLiberty (anonymous) says...
Well, Omarro if you are willing to give the government more control over your life via Cap & Trade and bankrupt future generations for a whole $70 more a month, you apparently can be bought cheap. Cap & Trade is the largest regressive tax to hit the American public. For you progressives who don't understand regressive taxation, it's taxation that impacts most those who make the least. Cool, huh? Yeah, not so much.
What don't I REALLY like about the Obama presidency? I don't like the fact that our deficit has quadrupled since January, that he tells us we can spend our way out of a recession (try that in your own life), takes no blame for his actions, was slow to come to terms with the Iranian revolution and is on the wrong side of the Honduran one, forced the CEO of GM to step down, bought GM with taxpayer money and GAVE 18% to the union, privatized banks, blatantly dislikes business, expresses his desire to redistribute wealth, believes bigger government solves all problems and generally expresses disdain for those who have succeeded in life due to capitalism. Other than that and the fact that we are moving closer to statism by the minute, I think the Obama presidency is just swell.
Enjoy the $70 a month because when Cap & Trade and Universal Health Care kick in, you will be wishing you had your Bush tax rate back again. Statists never learn that prosperity never trickles up, but poverty most certainly trickles down.
July 5, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sardis12 (anonymous) says...
Please tell me you aren't trying to say prosperity trickles down...
July 5, 2009 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Omarro, Miss Liberty is right. If something as precious as your freedom and liberty (meaning your sovereignty over your own life as an ADULT) is for sale at ANY PRICE, much less chump change, you are one sad example of humanity.
Surely you're being facetious?
Sardis12, properity does trickle down. Every job you've ever had and every penny you've ever gotten in a free government handout was CREATED by the so called rich people you stupidly love to hate. Of course, they don't have to be jet setting super millionaires. They might very well be people who simply have somewhat more money than you along with a lot more sense and discipline.
July 5, 2009 at 10:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
omarro1974 (anonymous) says...
To postman 01, sardis 12, Miss liberty, rj parks, and the rest of the neo-cons.....
Why weren't you guys beating this drum over the last 8 years prior to the past 5 months and 15 days? Because you'd rather get screwed by a friend than helped by an enemy?
Why is the situation so dire now? Oh I forgot....Because Rush said so.
You guys need to turn off Fox News and the Drudge Report.
Why is my humanity in so much danger NOW when a democrat is in office when a republican was busy rolling back my civil liberties as well as my tax rates?
Anyone?
The GOP works in support of businesses at the expense of every day workers. Then they blame the insecurities created by their policies on the very things that protected the jobs of American workers. The GOP is a fraud made up of people who aren't even loyal to their own fellow citizens. This is how the GOP frames arguments: "Are you economically insecure? Forget about job outsourcing or other factors. You've been victimized by affirmative action, or by environmental regulation!" or my favorite, "The reason jobs are going overseas is because labor unions make it too expensive to do business here." "Never mind that the factories owned by the manufacturing company you used to work for was sold off to pay off the junk bonds we used to buy the company, and we now buy our products from foreign manufacturers and stick our labels on them, it's the unions fault!"
Do you think it's a fluke that there are 60 democratic senators, or that we hold a 70 seat majority as well as the White House? With all due respect we don't need you to get anything done right now.
We are giving you your medicine right now. We know that you don't want it. And we know that you won't think us when you feel better. But the moral of the story is that you will get to feel better, instead of dying.
July 5, 2009 at 11:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
carolinainfidel: "What exactly makes the man a dunderhead?
noun a dunce; blockhead; numbskull
is the definition in case you were just using a word you heard somewhere."
You obviously just looked the word up and pasted the definition here, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
"Can you point to some statements or actions that would back up your claim[?] Should you apply the same standard to other pol[i]ticians [so that] they [do] not all end up as dunderheads[,] or are you just a conservative hater?"
(Fixed your grammatical and spelling errors. You're welcome.) Sure, I'll make it easy and just point to his entire record and everything that comes out of his mouth.
"Nice oneliner about the cliff but like most wackadoo statements, it completely lacks substance. I bet you read it somewhere and reposted it."
You're totally right.
July 5, 2009 at 11:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
I knew it YOGA, no substance whatsoever.
Big difference between conservatives and liberals, we look up words before we use them. We read about issues before we discuss them and we understand our opinions before we espouse them.
July 6, 2009 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
OMARRO,
You seemed to be all wrapped up in party politics. So apparently you are a dem before anything else. Throughout your posts it is we are giving you your medicine, blah blah. So socialism is the medicine from Dems? Not reading legislation before voting on it is medicine? Spending trillions of dollars we won't have for generations is medicine? I don't cal it medicine. I call it embarrassing.
I am not a republican. Bush laid the field for Obama to do what he did. They are cutting deals in Washington amongst each other. Socialism and Corporatism runs deep in both parties now.
If you want to know why you are "in danger now" you would have to understand what liberty and fascism really are.
We are not a nation of parties but a nation of individuals. The federal government is far outreaching its constitutional bounds. For the past century federal power has grown and more and more liberties have been taken in exchange for comfort through Rep and Dem administrations.
Liberty is not supposed to be comfortable. Living free requires more responsibility than any other way of living.
We tea partiers are not victims but people who understand why we are truly free people. Keep drinking the rep and dem koolaid. Both sides serve it up. The federal government is not supposed to play a day to day role in our lives save for securing our borders, protecting interstate and international trade.
Tea partiers are upset that each American's share of this spending is approaching $32000.00. Does that not upset you?
They spend our children's money by borrowing it. That is taxation without representation.
Not reading legislation is also taxation without representation.
We are upset by people making legislation on false science, like GLOBAL WARMING. In the 70s it was going to be an ice age. FASCISTS AND LEFTISTS LOVE CRISIS. THEY NEVER LET ONE GO TO WASTE AND WHEN THEY CAN, THEY CREATE ONE. Most EU countries who did the same type of legislation 2 years ago are already repealing it.
I know, you will say "but George Bush, uhh, uhh, GOP did it, uhh uhh, you don't like colored people, uhh, uhh, take your medicine".
Okay, I got all of the stupid stuff out of the way.
So does it upset you that people don't read bills before voting on them?
Does it upset you that the government is acting outside its bounds (adn has been through dems and reps)?
Does it upset you that we are spending money we don't have that will burden generations?
Are you a free person who believes in the right to assemble for redress of your grievances?
Does it upset you that a private corporation sets our finance rates and controls our currency?
Does it make you mad that the government and certain industries collude so as to wipe out the competition in particular sectors?
Or is it all okay when YOUR PARTY is in power and not okay when another party is? You don't care what the govt is doing as long as it is democrats giving out the medicine, RIGHT?
July 6, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MissLiberty (anonymous) says...
Omarro, as a liberal you have learned well the lesson that when faced with factual evidence that refutes your belief system, you should respond by 1) answering a question with a question: "Why weren't you guys beating this drum over the last 8 years prior to the past 5 months and 15 days?", 2) employ ridicule: "Why is the situation so dire now? Oh I forgot....Because Rush said so. You guys need to turn off Fox News and the Drudge Report." 3) repeat liberal talking points without regard to fact or logic: "The GOP works in support of businesses at the expense of every day workers." I'll just have to assume that GOP and Conservative are interchangable for you. Okay, so you want a job that is guaranteed by the unions regardless of whether that guarantee destroys the company or not. You pay the union and they protect your job. Must be nice. You can see how well that's worked particularly in the auto and airline industries. "The GOP is a fraud made up of people who aren't even loyal to their own fellow citizens." What does loyalty to my fellow citizen mean? Guaranteeing him a job? How about something other than a platitude? "Never mind that the factories owned by the manufacturing company you used to work for was sold off to pay off the junk bonds we used to buy the company, and we now buy our products from foreign manufacturers and stick our labels on them, it's the unions fault!" Gee, that's handy. Do you believe that all companies were financed by junk bonds and that said companies all defaulted on their payments, therefore needing to sell off their factories? Or how about, that has happened to some companies in some industries. How about that junk financing is one of the only ways for start ups or troubled companies to fund their businesses? If a company is in good shape, it doesn't issue junk bonds, it issues higher rated debt. If a company is in trouble and trying to get out of it, the last thing it needs is union thuggery holding it hostage. Sorry, but the days of union relevancy have long passed for the most part.
"We are giving you your medicine right now. We know that you don't want it. And we know that you won't think us when you feel better. But the moral of the story is that you will get to feel better, instead of dying." Who is "we"? Does "we" even have the vaguest idea how an economy works? Please ask "we" which includes the president, to give us all an example of how Keynesian economic theory, with it's strong emphasis on "international coordination" of economic institutions, will work for the good of the US. I'm already quite well versed on what it will destroy. Please demonstrate just one example of prosperity trickling up. It trickles down every time you get a paycheck. It trickles down every time you pay someone for goods or services. Your turn.
July 6, 2009 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinainfidel (anonymous) says...
Posted by thereemer on July 6, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Carolina:
Not to denigrate the quality of your post but for The Lord's sake please try and be more brief. Take you that long to use the restroom?
theremer
I was writing it in the restroom;)
I was really upset when my legs went numb and then I realized I had typed 5000 words. This was the editted version.
MissLiberty was in the stall next to me. It was annoying because she talks while she types. Airports are already so noisy.
July 6, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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