Convicted drug dealer charged
Man treated at hospital is arrested in downtown crash that killed couple
Leonard Bernard Gregory Jr., 23, is accused of causing the crash that killed Johnny and Betty Vice on Sunday near Hampton Park.
A convicted drug dealer with a suspended driver's license is accused of fleeing police and causing a wreck that killed a married couple Sunday in downtown Charleston.
A tipster Thursday morning led authorities to 23-year-old Leonard Bernard Gregory Jr. at Trident Medical Center, where he apparently was being treated for injuries related to the fatal crash, S.C. Highway Patrol Lance Cpl. Bob Beres said. He said troopers arrested Gregory just before noon as he was being released from the hospital.
Johnny and Betty Vice died after a car fleeing Charleston police crashed into their vehicle at Ashley Avenue and Moultrie Street near Hampton Park. Three men in the suspect car got out and ran away, and the driver sped off and left the couple to die.
Gregory, a Charleston construction worker, is charged with two counts of reckless homicide, two counts of leaving the scene of an accident involving death and fifth-offense driving under suspension. He remained Thursday night at the Charleston County Detention Center as the investigation continued and authorities tried to identify the men who fled the wreck on foot.
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Family grieves loss of couple, published 06/30/09
In bond court, Gregory's friends gasped as Charleston County Magistrate Alvin Bligen set bond for the reckless homicide and leaving-the-scene charges at $1 million each, for a total of $4 million. He also set bond at $2,105 for the driving-under-suspension charge.
Gregory's nine-page criminal history shows convictions for possessing, manufacturing and trafficking cocaine. The record shows that he also has been convicted of discharging a firearm into a dwelling. On Thursday, he told the bond judge that he had been released from jail on June 1.
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Betty Vice and her husband, Johnny, were killed Sunday after their car was hit by another car that was fleeing from police.
Gregory's driver's license has been suspended, off and on, since he started driving at age 17, his driving record shows. The record shows at least 13 traffic convictions since 2003, including speeding, careless or negligent driving, operating an unsafe vehicle, failure to pay a traffic ticket or appear in court, and multiple drug violations.
Johnny Vice, 63, a merchant mariner, and Betty Vice, 62, a teacher, raised six children in their North Charleston home. They were out for a Sunday drive when they were hit.
Reach Nadine Parks at 937-5573 or nparks@postandcourier.com.
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wonderdog (anonymous) says...
A criminal record that is NINE pages long, and he has killed two innocent people less than 30 days after getting out of jail.......the judicial system has failed us AGAIN.
The injuries he received in the commission of his crimes are probably the only serious consequences he will face after he takes another spin through the court system.
Bless the loved ones of Mr. and Mrs. Vice.
July 3, 2009 at 12:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
omarro1974 (anonymous) says...
We have a real problem here. We in the black community have a problem with the application of justice and what we want to see in the way of justice. People lose respect for a group of people that have such ad hoc policies as "stop snitching", people who always want their communities to be drug and crime free but always see the muscular use of police power as a form of racism. Their is a reason that there is a heightened police presence in SOME black neighborhoods...more crime is committed there, by a certain subset of the black population, a population that is young and carefree about the use of violence to benefit them and their brethren. These young men and women cannot be saved, no matter how many community marches, midnight basketball programs, and job training workshops or other giveaways are made available to them.
Please, no one tell me that that Leonard Bernard Gregory is a good kid, that he was misunderstood, that the white man was keeping him down. That's bull**it. This man should have been in prison for life. He didn't even have the decency to turn himself in, KNOWING that his actions led to 2 people being killed, two innocent people who's only crime was taking a drive on a Sunday afternoon. He is like a lot of these young men are these days, quick to kill, quick to sell drugs, quick to destroy, but without the knowledge or capacity to create.
When I usually take the time to post on this board, It is usually in defense of morons like this. But sometimes I can understand their points, especially at times like this. Yes, all races commit all sorts of crimes. But in this area, you can drive throughout this area during regular working hours and see black men, between the ages of 18-40 on a corner, in a shelter, at the employment office, usually walking around with a white t-shirt on, mad about something. You just don't see anything comparable in the white community, there is no epidemic of white on white crime among 15-30 year olds. There are no 15-year old white kids dying under interstate overpasses in Mount Pleasant. And I doubt that white people would spend all day blaming it on black racism it that were the case. As much as I hate to admit it, among some of us there is an expectation of an endless supply of chances. This criminal was free because someone, somewhere made deals and concessions in the criminal justice system. We expect someone to give us something, when all we are owed is an opportunity and respect. But I admit, as someone who manages people that it pains me to see young men who would not take a job if it means cutting their hair or taking their fake gold teeth out of their mouths. People who cant get your order straight because they want to text message. People who no matter how menial or easy the task is, will always say that they can't do it or that it is too hard. People are tired of this. And I'm as black as they come.
July 3, 2009 at 1:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Well thought-out posts, omarro1974 (both of them!).
July 3, 2009 at 1:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ARLEANCROSBY (anonymous) says...
Thank you omarro1974 for the post I am a black female raised in Mount Pleasant, hung out downtown with the worst of them. I chose drugs as my way of escape, but I can also say that I am a recovering addict with 9 years clean; a husband and two daughters. I am not sorry that I moved away from home to get my life togather and get away from the life style that I was living; because these were the type of people I hung out with. The victims are relatives of mine and it was truly a loss to the family. I pray that someone that is either living that life style or contemplating that lifestyle reads your post and turn their life around as I did 9 years ago. Thanks for the reality check.And for those of you who feels that he is wrongly accused I think his record speaks for itself.
July 3, 2009 at 2:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RedHorse7 (anonymous) says...
Bravo, Omarro1974 ! I could not have said it more straightforward than that. Nobody wants to take responsibility for his/her actions because it's always "someone else's fault". With 9 pages of criminal history, this murderer should not have been on the streets.
My sincerest condolences to the Vice family.
July 3, 2009 at 4:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPFROM843 (anonymous) says...
this man is a good person everyone makes mistakes and he will pay for his mistakes yall are so quick to judge people but you are not better than no one you just got lucky you didnt get caught this could have happened to any of you hypicritical morons while yall was drunk drivin home and got lucky or high off drugs yall aint perfect if everyone that committed a crime was arrested and convicted then 95% of you would have a record and you know it
July 3, 2009 at 4:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dessy1 (anonymous) says...
once again we have been failed by our so called justice system ( convicted of trafficking cocaine )convicted of manufacturing cocaine which basicly means CRACK !!!!!) and he is 23 and already out on the streets again to kill these poor people ?? what did he get sentenced to ?? community service ffs this is becoming rediculas 9 page criminal history at the age of 23 ....
very good points all omarro1974
people like this are the reason the black community as a whole are lumped into a group and stereotyped but not all of us are like these people.... the ones of us who actually had parents who had no issue with cracking a whip on our ass's instead of shoving the crack in there pipes, you would be suprised at some of these thugs parents the apple doesnt fall far from the tree
i would bet a years paycheck on this fact ... if welfare and foodstamps and sec8 where cut down to 2 year maximum programs ( for those whom really needed it.two years is plenty to get on youre feet)...you would see a abrupt halt in the number of young, single, no job having, dropouts having 4-7 kids whom they wont raise and send out on the rest on us as the theifs, crackdealers, carjackers,and murders.. anyone wanna challenge me on this ?? lol
July 3, 2009 at 4:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dessy1 (anonymous) says...
bpfrom843 are u serious how do you even begin to jusify someone convicted of ( and this is the short list )
1.cocaine trafficing
2.cocaine manufacturing ( making crack basicly)
and many other numerous convictions A GOOD GUY
are u kidding me ?? this guy is nothing more then a degenerate scumbag who didnt even have the desency to turn himself in after he MURDERED 2 innocent people who have done more for this community then that low life will ever do aw but he had to go to the er to get his boo boo's fixed ( i wonder who will pay that bill)
the one that deserves to be in a body bag is the crack dealing ,cocaine trafficing thug... not the two poor people he killed
wonders if all his lil crack dealing hommies and his family are gonna donate there blood money to the family of his victims so they can bury these poor people DOUBT THAT
July 3, 2009 at 4:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPFROM843 (anonymous) says...
so drug dealers are such low scum really??
DID YOU THINK LIKE THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT ALL THOSE DRUGS FROM THEM IN COLLEGE?
this man aint no cold hearted killer you dont think he feels horrible well yea he does how would you feel in that situation maybe the cops singled them out to pull them over he just came home he wasnt tryin to go back the cops very crooked downtown i dont blame him for fleeing but he could have been more careful and how do we know that the vices didnt cause the wreck?
July 3, 2009 at 4:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
Well said Omarro.
The amount of crime committed by blacks in Chas county, SC and the entire US is disproportionate to the black population. That much is indisputable fact.
Only by recognizing the problem and being able to discuss it openly can we have any chance of solving the problem.
At present, we cannot discuss this problem in the US openly.
Why?
July 3, 2009 at 5:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pirate42 (anonymous) says...
now my way thinking why feed em let god sort them out ..
July 3, 2009 at 5:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rednose (anonymous) says...
talk about your stereotype
July 3, 2009 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MC29461 (anonymous) says...
The City of Charleston mandates a comprehensive inspection of its carriage tour industry in the tourist district, but continues to ignore the problems caused by drug dealers and street thugs in other neighborhoods.
We need another Police Chief like Greenberg who has the backbone and ability to prioritize these issues - protect innocent lives first.
July 3, 2009 at 6:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jsmith8993 (anonymous) says...
BPFROM843:
Are you serious? He deserves the chair, lethal injection...an eye for an eye. He needs to die 2 times...fry him once and then fry him a second time. If he gets out, he should be hunted down. He deserves nothing. He does not deserve to serve time in jail and waste my tax payer money. BPFROM843, he are lost in reality, this is not a soap opera or some prime time story that has a happy ending for the accused. He will not see the light and the error of his ways and find God and turn his life around. He is scum.
His family deserves to pay for his sins. Yes, his family especially the parents (if he has any). They obviously were not role models and obviously he does not care about morality b/c he is not human...he is an animal. Animals run when scared. Like someone stated earlier, he should have stood up and turned himself in and acted like a man and not an animal. He needs to be road kill and die on the highway like the animal he is. My thoughts and opinions.
July 3, 2009 at 6:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
Omarro1974, truly well spoken, honest, and totally correct. It is refreshing to see someone willing to speak the truth and not be in total denial of fact.
July 3, 2009 at 7:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
One morning we're all going to wake up and read an article on this website that tells us this young man was shot dead during the night. When I post that we're better off with him dead, by any means, I'll be chastised for being cruel and uncaring. The religious nuts will tell me that "it's not my place to judge" and the friends and family will tell me that "I don't know him and that he was a good guy and that I should shut up". One or two might even go so far as to call me a racist.
Those are the attitudes that have led this country to continuously return criminals to the streets. Those are the attitudes that result in the deaths of innocent people.
Leonard Bernard Gregory Jr. has nothing positive to offer society. He is, and will always be, a leach. The justice system needs to remove him from society permanently.
BPFROM843, your post is so out of touch with reality, I'm going to assume that your words are not your beliefs, but just an attempt to get people riled up. If you truly believe that 95% of the people on this Earth are criminals, you're hanging out in the wrong crowds and will most likely end up being the subject of an article just like this one.
July 3, 2009 at 7:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
BPFROM843. Read Omarro1974's posting. You are obviously part of the problem, a major part, justifying the actions of a career criminal. I suspect you, also, must have a significant "rap" sheet and I am surprised you can even read these posts.
July 3, 2009 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
masterdiver (anonymous) says...
Well said Omarro!
He should have been placed in prison a LONG time ago with no possibility of parole.
If we as a society starting enforcing our justice system, our culture would be better off and Betty and John would still be alive along with countless others
July 3, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
I swear some of you ppl, just dont no what to say out of your mouth. Its said if you cant say nothing nice, then dont say NOTHING AT ALL!!! Even Though this is'nt a sitution of anything NICE, because both families lost out on LOVED ONES, but i see you all are so very quick to judge, when you dont no whats going on....Im pretty sure Most, if not all of you have a criminal record. If not then thats a good thing, but your LIFE AINT PERECT.
July 3, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
swear some of you ppl, just dont no what to say out of your mouth. Its said if you cant say nothing nice, then dont say NOTHING AT ALL!!! Even Though this is'nt a sitution of anything NICE, because both families lost out on LOVED ONES, but i see you all are so very quick to judge, when you dont no whats going on....Im pretty sure Most, if not all of you have a criminal record. If not then thats a good thing, but your LIFE AINT PERFECT!!!
July 3, 2009 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Wow Omarro nice post, well ssid, I'll leave this one at that.
EXCEPT, this BPFROM843 moron... You can't be serious or if you are your the most incredibly stupid person ever to post here.
July 3, 2009 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shootingstar (anonymous) says...
I can't believe this man's friends reactions to the judge's bond he set. he left the scene of the accident. Did they really think he'd be let out? if he left the scene of the accident do you really think he'd show up for the court hearing? NOT. I feel so sorry for the vice family.
July 3, 2009 at 7:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shootingstar (anonymous) says...
hey BFR, you call this man a good person and he hit two innocent people running from the cops? need I say more? you don't do drugs or drink and get behind the wheel, whatever the case may be!
July 3, 2009 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Zod (anonymous) says...
moonpie, check the posts. In the world according to BPfrom843, nobody is ever guilty of the crimes they are accused.
July 3, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
Posted by ColdBud "One morning we're all going to wake up and read an article on this website that tells us this young man was shot dead during the night."
CB, there is no doubt that you are going to be proven right.
Omarro nice post, well thought out, nothing that can be added.
80sBaby - you sound just like BPFROM843, so please, both of you morons, tell me how this thug is a beacon of love in his community?
"Gregory's nine-page criminal history shows convictions for possessing, manufacturing and trafficking cocaine. The record shows that he also has been convicted of discharging a firearm into a dwelling.
- driver's license has been suspended, off and on, since he started driving at age 17,
- at least 13 traffic convictions since 2003, including speeding, careless or negligent driving, operating an unsafe vehicle, failure to pay a traffic ticket or appear in court, and multiple drug violations."
Gregory, has no compassion, no consern for his fellow man, is a repeat offender, with obviously no reason to fear the law or worry about the consequences of his actions. He has a RECORD, that speaks for itself.
Well, meet the consequences of Leonard Bernard Gregory Jrs actions - "Johnny Vice, 63, a merchant mariner, and Betty Vice, 62, a teacher, raised six children in their North Charleston home. They were out for a Sunday drive when they were hit."
Take a good look 80sBaby & BPFROM843;
http://media.charleston.net/img/photo...
There is something seriously wrong with you 2 if you think this is everyday normal behavior of the rest of the population. Or, you are both trying to justify your guilt ridden souls of your possible criminal actions.
July 3, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
moonpie and BPFROM843 are cut from the same cloth, but are on two opposites ends of the same bigoted spectrum......
Now, on to the story at hand. I pray that justice is sift and fair in this case and the sentence fits the crimes. Lenny needs to get a quick date with a hard chair and a nice cocktail!
My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. and Mrs. Vice. God bless you all.
July 3, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eds777 (anonymous) says...
80s Baby is living off in fantasyland somewhere. Michael Jackson's dead . . . Neverland is GONE! Omarro has an excellent understanding of what it takes to succeed in society, regardless of race. This understanding is why the Asian community generally outperforms ALL other races!
July 3, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whatelseisthere (anonymous) says...
Omarro needs to be the Chief of Police. Gregory is heading for a very hard life in the SC jail system. The Vice's are in heaven and we are left to deal w/ the anger when this type of thing happens over, and over, and over again. Omarro is right on...nothing will work until the black community holds their children accountable.
July 3, 2009 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
harold, you know where that came from. As I said yesterday we can have honest discussion about race as long as that discussion comes without the bigotry, prejudice, and hidden "jabs" that many on here display. That comes from both sides.
And I am not stereotyping when it comes to moonpie and BPFROM843. They fit the type and I came to a conclusion about their characters from reading their posts over an extended period of time.
July 3, 2009 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WSM (anonymous) says...
This man is a: coward, a killer, and quite frankly, a predator that needs to be put down like sick cat.
Of course, we have three people in here trying to justify his actions as being "misunderstood," and those who think his actions are what they are as "racist," even though the poster has no idea of the races he/she/it accuses! Two are just plain idiots. A third has to prove that he/she/it is so much bigger and better than anyone else that she would demand that other people suffer from a homicidal freak to satify he/she/it's misplaced sense of self-serving noblesse-oblige!
To the abovementioned half-literate morons, put your money where your mouth is. Why don't you post surety or bond to help the downtrodden memeber of society out? He could live with you while he awaits trial, and heck, he could drive you around town, since he obviously knows how to get to places quickly. License? He doesn't need one, that's just another link in the chain the man has made to keep people down! He could babysit for you, or help you make flyers for the next International ANSWER protest or rally at the College of Charleston!
Why, he could even probably write a really great social action book of how being kept down by some faceless oppressor left him with no choice but to take two human lives. After all, one of the three posters stated that no one was "innocent," and who knows what those two were doing? They shouldn't have been on the same street as the other guy, anyway? Right?
It was once said that you could give a million monkeys each a typewriter and a year's time, you could produce the works of William Shakespeare. Now, with this forum and the internet, we now know that to be false!
July 3, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ONLYGODCANJUDGEME (anonymous) says...
I'm not condoning what he did, but at the same time I'm not judging him either! We are all man and have fallen short.... all sins are equal, please leave the judging for the only Man who is qualified for it!
July 3, 2009 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...
BPFrom843...posting rather early...what are you high on???
July 3, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
BPFROM843 is one of those people that we have to call out for his ignorance any time he posts something as asinine as he posted today...... He is one of those that thinks everyone is out to keep the black man down!
July 3, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
usa99 (anonymous) says...
The only thing that people are going to miss from Gregory is their next fix. This man didn't even have the decency to turn himself in. He's an ignorant male who is without morals and has no conscience.
And 80sBaby, I'm gonna quote some Steel Magnolias for ya, if you can't say anything nice then come sit by me. There is nothing nice to say about this person. He committed a heinous crime and tried to run/hide from it. Please tell me when I can start saying nice things?
I know plenty of people who have disowned their family members due to their 'lifestyle' of running and gunning. This guy sounds no different than those already disowned. At 23, he has a 9 page rap sheet! You're kidding me?! He should have been already deemed as a habitual offender and sent up the road. Good riddance. Let's just hope he gives up the other two so that the Vice family can feel some sort of justice.
My thoughts and prayers are with the Vice family.
July 3, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WSM (anonymous) says...
ONLYGODCANJUDGEME, please understand that I am not insulting you, but if you are thinking of that most taken out of context scripture, Matthew 7:1, as a means to absolve societal responsibilty for dealing with killers, then you have to ignore the rest of the Bible.
Christ said in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
Soooooo...that means all of the rules like the "Big Ten" are still in force, i.e., "You Shall Not Murder." Exodus 20:13.
"You shall not murder," Dueteronomy 5:17.
"Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty." Numbers 35:30.
"But the children of the murderers he did not execute, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, in which the LORD commanded, saying, "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; but a person shall be put to death for his own sin." 2 Kings 14:16.
"He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,'" Matthew 19:17-19.
I'm sorry, but I am more than a bit tired of all those people who are "suddenly Christian" when a thug kills someone in cold blood, and has to answer for his actions. I've seen too much of it, from the cold blooded animal who was shot dead robbing the bread deliveryman on James Island whose pastor said that he was such a good boy and sang in the choir, to every idiot that refers to the Bible when they get into trouble.
IF people of that ilk believed in it, then they should have been trying to minister to the guy BEFORE he killed someone, and during the time of his lawlessness!
July 3, 2009 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lunchlady (anonymous) says...
I run in Hampton Park and down Moultrie street nearly every Sunday, and I am so glad this guy was caught. I hope he rots in jail or, preferably, gets the death penalty.
July 3, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
omarro1974, one of the most powerful posts that I've ever read.
July 3, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
Posted by thereemer on July 3, 2009 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Boy lovelyone, not sure where that shot "moonpie and mpfrom843 are cut from the same same cloth" came from.
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I called moonpie out yesterday about having so much to say when a black person commits a crime and nothing to say when there is a white person that have committed a crime in the news.
Today, moonpie made a comment on this subject, but there is a story about a coach that molested a child and he has nothing to say about it. Wonder Why?
I also see that mpfrom843 followed suite.
No need to run and make a comment now.
July 3, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
His "mistake" was speeding, fleeing from a traffic stop, running a stop sign, broadsiding another vehicle, killing of two innocent people and then fleeing from the scene like the yellow bellied coward that he is.
At BPFROM843'S request, I am going to 'fess up. I got a a speeding ticket (35 in a 25) when I was 15 years old. I paid the ticket (though I guess NOW I should say that I was wrongfully accused by a crooked cop) and haven't been harassed by those wacky crooked cops since then.
Hey, BP, how about you? Were you in the car with Gregory? You should give yourself up. By the way, a "good person" doesn't have a nine page criminal record (according to the way I was raised). How long is yours?
Prayers to the Vice's loved ones. So sad.
July 3, 2009 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
for the idiots that say don't judge people like this... WE should ALL judge people like this, for what they are... they are predators, scum of the earth, career criminals that actually look forward to going to jails/prisons to add more notches to their belts
these are subhuman people, not because of their color but because of the lifestyle they CHOOSE to live... and they need to be removed permanently
the "thou shalt not judge" isn't talking about not judging criminals and predators like this, you guys trying to preach that are taking it way out of context for your own use... not for what it actually means
it also says follow mans laws, there's a "judge" in every courthouse that's supposed to enforce that... but they keep letting these thugs out over and over again
you have to judge the distance to a wall so you don't hit it, as you have to judge and area or a person for the safety of your family... when you judge that area you are judging the people that live in it because they are the one's that make that area what it is
we are supposed to judge everything and everyone... how do you think we make decisions to go to war and with who etc etc...
or do we not judge those that invade us and let them continue
well this is our internal invasion, the young black males have been allowed to run rampant because the white people have been soooooo scared to be called racist because many will lose their jobs or standing over it... that's how ridiculous this PC crap has got
the truth is the truth no matter who you are, and truth is that this POS is a POS that needs to be permanently removed... I'd be more than happy to pull the switch myself if allowed
he killed two very great innocent people, without a bit of remorse... who knows how many more he's killed over his few years with the dope he's sold
if he's sorry for anything it's because he got caught
we need our justice system completely overhauled, I just wish I knew how or when it could happen... until then these stories will just continue to repeat themselves
and ColdBud I am one of those kinds that you call religious nuts, however there's nothing nutty about my beliefs
even in scripture it says to handle idiots like this with an iron fist, and condones removing them from the face of this earth
just because I believe in a religion doesn't make me "better" or "less" than you or anyone else... do you believe that the sun will come up tomorrow? does that make you a sun nut??
people instantly think you're some kind of nut because you have religion, not true... look back at the yrs of my post and you'll see they look just like so many other people's here, you have a skewed view of what being a believer is...
July 3, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justalocalgal (anonymous) says...
BPFROM843 you are ignorant. My condolences to the family and friends of Mr. & Mrs. Vice.
July 3, 2009 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
BPFROM843 and 80sBaby, you guys are too cute.
"Everyone makes mistakes." That's right, but it doesn't mean you're excused from paying for them. The two of you also assume that all crimes are equal, and that none of us can judge this degenerate because we've all certainly committed a crime of some fashion at some point in our lives. Very true--I have received 2 traffic tickets in my life. Therefore, I am just as "guilty" as Gregory, right? Wrong. A ticket for making an illegal right turn on red at the corner of St. Philip and Calhoun is not in the same universe as speeding through Hampton Park, fatally crashing into an older couple, and then speeding away from the scene of the accident.
And as for your trying to excuse his drug offenses by implying that everyone bought drugs in college... you should get your stereotypes right. Young kids in college who are experimenting with drugs are certainly not buying crack in large quantities. They're buying marijuana mostly.
The attempts of you two to explain away his crimes are laughable at best. Making a few mistakes doesn't result in a 9-page criminal record. Sometimes, the thing speaks for itself.
July 3, 2009 at 10:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
jammer, I totally get what you are saying about judgment and agree wholeheartedly. I despise it when a person takes the Word out of context if for no other reason but to "prove" their own religiosity. They obviously don't know the difference between judgment and discernment. God gave us the power of discernment so I am sure he wanted us to use it.
With that being said, would you discern that all young, black males are up to no good or just the ones that fit a certain bill? This is an honest question that I feel you are level-headed and open-minded enough to answer in kind.
July 3, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lloyd007 (anonymous) says...
It's all quite simple people : " WHEN YOU DO WHAT YOU DO, YOU GET WHAT YOU YOU GET." When will Parents, Communities, Churches, Ministers, Community Leaders get it ???...It would seem to me that "ALL OF US" should be " SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED "...
July 3, 2009 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
Leonard Gregory is not a good guy, I know and have experience with this guy. What his nine page rap sheet doesn't show is how many times he was arrested and used his brothers name, Also while we are on the topic of drug dealers. Is anyone else sick of these guys getting caught with $15,000.00 cash $40,000.00 in drugs and where do they live ??? in section 8 housing that we pay for. While they drive around on 26 inch rims and restore old cars they live and eat off our tax dollars ! god something has to change.
Before anybody screams that I am a racist I will just put it out there that I am black, I also own a couple of very successful business, and it is my belief that the reason why white people (which I have nothing against them) hate us blacks so much is because of guy's like this. The guy's that have there pants hanging below there underwear. Rapping and dancing in the street, the same guys hanging out in liquor stores buying crown at 11:00 am. With no job They really cant help but judge us all by these guy's actions, it hard not to be hateful when you are getting up at 5 am to support a family, and you see these guys getting everything for free, and every opportunity in the world. Who could blame those that judge. What else do they have to judge us buy?
July 3, 2009 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Lovely-Hello! I havent posted in a while but this story is a lil close to home so I decided to give my input
I know Gregory personally aand I can say he is no role model citizen (but neither was I when I was that age)I was selling drugs at 23 and got arrested at 24 so who am I to judge this young man; I changed my life "AFTER" being arrested and doing federal prison time for drugs! Im sure that he didnt intentionally set out to murder Mr and Mrs Vice (I know their kids also) but he is responsible never the less. I cant say give him life in prison because I dont honestly believe he desreves it-he does deserve a substantial time in prison for his actions but I dont agree with the majority here (I know that is going to cause problems!!)
I think the problem is we are so quick to place blame on the same old excuses because thats what the news media has programmed us to believe. Mr Gregory isnt a welfare baby or even a young man that grew up in a low income household, his father whom recently passed, was a business owner in downtown chas that owns numerous real estate through out the area. What caused this young man to depend on a life of selling drugs and living the street life? I believe this is the better question that needs an answer to. There are plenty of young men downtown Chas and North Chas that dont neccessarily have to resort to selling drugs or that street lifestyle and have a family and/or support system backing thm but still get sucked in this way of life-WHAT CAN WE DO TO PREVENT THESE YOUNG MEN FROM LIVING THIS WAY OF LIFE??
I agree with Omarro and saying that marches, and midnight basketball arent working. What will work? If we dont find the answer to that question soon then we will continue to have events like this take place in the future. This is bigger than one drug dealer running from the cops and killing two innocent people in downtown. What if this happened on Daniel Island when he was delivering a 'package' and killed one of those residents?
July 3, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Jammer, I don't post as often as I used too, and I don't recall all of your posts or my replies. I don't recall ever thinking of you as a religious nut thought. Maybe I'm forgeting something, I don't know.
For the record, I don't think all religious people are nuts and I've stated that many times. If your religion gives you what you seek, more power to you. I just think that those that want to force me to live by their beliefs are nuts. People that want to prevent me from doing things, or force me to do things, based on their religious beliefs... those are the nuts. People that believe as they want and leave me alone about it.. I have no problem with that. In many ways I even respect the convictions of such a person.
I didn't want to hijack this thread. As far as the article goes... death penalty. And I DID make that same exact statement about the child molesting white pastor, or what ever he was, earlier today :)
July 3, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Leonard is a career criminal who the legal systems continues to allow back out on the street to further this career. I don't know if the lax sentencing is a result of some guilt, the fear of being labeled a racist as referenced by jammer, or if our legal system is that incompetent that they cannot seem to get it right. Do they not care about the safety of those of us on the right side of the law? Are they only concerned with their personal gains?
And then we have those people like BPFROM843 who are hell bent on blaming everyone else for their ills. Those are the people that make the community as a whole look bad. They are the ones that give justification to those who like to lump all of us together under the same dysfunctional umbrella. They are the ones that help to fuel the fires of bigotry and keep them burning indefinitely.
It is sickening and maddening, at best!
July 3, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
Kontact...i really do value your posting because there are some very ignorant ppl posting comments on here, as if they really no what they are talking about, most ppl who comments are he ones that dont no anything about the outside world as far as peeping out there window because they are afraid of whats outside of there front doors.
July 3, 2009 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
Lovely, just one's that fit a certain bill
as we all know first impressions mean a lot so what they are wearing starts the ball rolling, but that just puts the radar up... not the judgment call, because we all know that truly brilliant criminals know how to blend in with the rest of us... but thugs are not brilliant criminals
a small list...
1. what they are wearing
2. how they carry themselves
3. what time of day or night you see them in conjunction of where they are
4. age compared to how much the rims on their car cost, $10,000 rims on a 19 yr old kids car means he's temporarily higher in the hierarchy of dope dealing... until he gets shot of course
as we all know it's the 16-24 yr olds that usually are the most trouble, close to law enforcement stats...
I grew up here Lovely, there's always been a very large black population and I've always had a ton of white and black friends my entire life... but when I was a kid young black males weren't about killing each other like they are today, I don't know what happened but things are bad wrong now... much of it has to be blamed on the court systems and the judges for letting these people become career criminals to begin with, had they continually removed them from the streets when they actually needed to be removed a precedent would have been set and we would not be seeing what we do today IMHO
it's been let go this far because sooo many whites are scared to be called names... I'm not, I argue these same points FTF... I'm not nor will I ever be a politician, I'm a skilled craftsman that can make a paycheck with or without a boss
July 3, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Ok, 80sBaby, what do you think a just sentence for this career criminal should be?
By the way, thanks for turning the caps lock off.
July 3, 2009 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Hey kontact! How have you been????? Thanks for your post. It is very enlightening and shows us that there are those people out there, such as your self, who can turn their lives around and live on the right side of the law. As for Leonard....well, it's tough to say.
July 3, 2009 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
WW29485--I am black also and I would hate for someone to judge me based on the actions of others-I understand ur frustration but I dont believe that many drug dealers with access to 40k in cash would be living in section 8 houses. I am a convicted drug dealer and as soon as I got 2500 I gt myself an apartment. The goal of these guys are to project to their peers that they have more money than the next-moving out of the projects, section 8 homes is one of the first things they do. We hear it in the media so much that we start believeing it ourselves but I am here to tell you thats not the case.
Another misconception that we hear so much that immediately think we know the cause:Black on black crime amongst our generation is not caused by drugs!!!I know Im going to get it with this comment but its baloney!When I was selling drugs we never, I REPEAT, NEVER wanted to cause any attetion to ourselves with violence cause all that did was CAUSE ATTENTION TO OURSELVES!! I started to get along with people I didnt get along with before cause all we cared about was making money-Disagreements I had with other drug dealers were few and far in between and I was a pretty big dealer. Point of my post is that we shouldnt believe everything we hear!!
I know I know people dont like to hear this but its the truth! Drugs are not the cause of all this black on black crime!
July 3, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
Your welcome wonderdog, im not in the judicial system so i wouldnt not know, i would let the states be the judge of that. Even though we all know he really didnt mean to kill them, its just the facts of life. Sometimes things just dont go the way you want them to go, in his case it's either win, lose, or draw.
July 3, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
ColdBud it's all good brother... I enjoy most of your post, just making a reference to how you often talk about some religious nut that I don't see here? lol
July 3, 2009 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
jammer, thank you so much for answering my question. I feel the EXACT same way you do about a certain element of people. I often wonder where things went wrong and what we can do to turn it around. Why are these young men so intent on killing each other? How did their mentality become so warped? What can be done to change it?
These are all questions that can only be answered by those people that are living the lifestyle that is so prevalent in these young men that we read so much about. But, who is going to get out there and ask those hard questions?????
July 3, 2009 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
Kon ... loenard father is terry gregory, a wanna be bounty hunter that has two dollars in his pocket at any given time.
July 3, 2009 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Lovely-I have to agree that he is a career criminial
Hello Coldbud too
The reason he has been able to get out of jail so many times goes back to my first post-This isnt a young man from a low class background here. This is a young drug dealer that can afford to pay for Andy Savage's representation on matters like this. He is being treated just like any one else would if they could afford proper representation. Sounds screwed up right? Well it is screwed up!! Imagine all the young black men who had to use public defenders for lesser crimes and got lots more prison time than Mr Gregory aka Fridge got. He just did 13 months for a 9 page rap sheet!!WOW!! HOW MUCH TIME WILL HE REALLY DO FOR THIS AFTER HE GETS HIS HIGH PRICED LAWYER?? The problem is bigger than him personally people!
July 3, 2009 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
ww29485-His father is (was) Big Leonard who passed away this past year. His brother is DJ Kub the one that always on the radio for parties throughout chas-
July 3, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
For the uninitiated South Carolina has a three strikes law that states if you are convicted of three felonies you are eligible for life in prison. The problem like with this guy is, a person will be arrested let's say for drugs, naturally he will bond out. Now he gets arrested again , bonds out then is arrested a third time and bonds out.. now that's three strikes right ? gone for life sorry about your bad luck. NO what happens is the solicitors and the defense attorneys get together and say we will combine all charges into one case, and take him to court that way. It will save time and tax dollars. The problem with that is instead of having three strikes and being gone for life he now has one. So with probation he is right back on the street. Our legal system needs to be a lot tougher ! we wouldn't have all this violent crime if we were frying 8 people a year like Texas.
July 3, 2009 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Ohh and more thing--The newspaper had to let us know that this is a convicted drug dealer too-Thats the title of this article!What does drugs have to do with this senseless murder of two innocent law abiding citizens?? Nothing at all but it keeps the dangers of drug dealers in our minds!
July 3, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
I invite each of you to read Chapter 3 of "Freakonomics" by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner. This chapter is entitled "Why do drug dealers still live with their moms?" I guess in many cases here it would be why do they live with their girlfriends/baby mama (on Section 8)?
Here is the link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=LkQP...
You will also see how they are able to afford a lawyer. This book is a very interesting read and sheds light on a lot of issues we face today.
July 3, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Outstanding post Omarro.
So all the reformed dug dealers, crackheads, and other wannabes, what is the reason black on black crime is so high or appears to be? I know facts are troublesome when you can disprove them with other than calling folks who look at facts judgmental.
July 3, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
80sBaby your 10:44 a.m rant, says all there needs to be said about your ignorance. Do you also talk the way you type?
Get real, you cant excuse this punk scum. 2 upstanding parents that raised there kids and worked hard are dead because of this self-serving, drug-dealing arse.
ww29485 - good points.
July 3, 2009 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
The reaction of his friends to the size of the bond struck me. Then, I realized that I also am surprised that a judge would set one so high. Good for him; do we have at least one judge that has some sense. I don't suppose that this is a capital offense, but he doesn't need to see the light of day again as a free man.
July 3, 2009 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
What does this have to do with drugs ??? LoL let me think. suspect runs from police was how this started right? convicted 20 times for dealing drugs.. 2+2= the man had drugs on him and thats why he ran from city police. that is a direct result of city's no chase policy. try that crap with ncpd or chas county and see what happens.
July 3, 2009 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lloyd007 (anonymous) says...
Omarro1974:...VERY WELL SAID.!!!!.I too am African-american and agree with you 100%..!!!!
July 3, 2009 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1963 (anonymous) says...
Why do they say "suspended driver's license"? If your driver's license is suspended you no longer have a license. It should be "driving without a license" in my opinion.
July 3, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
herewego (anonymous) says...
I am an African American female and I agree totally with Omarion! It starts with us in our households, our communities. We have to be responsible for our actions. I hate to see posts that say "He was a good person"!! REALLY!? Good people do bad things more often than we want to admit, but you Mr. Gregory you are sooooo wrong you can't even attempt to make it right. He needs to be punished and noone should have had to call in a tip for him to be arrested. He should have just turned himself in and try to make things better on the family that lost a mother and father because of HIS actions. I am so tired of seeing these types of stories in the paper. It's depressing!
As for jsmith8993, sometimes parents do the best they can and just have children that are hell bent on doing the wrong thing. That doesn't mean that they were not good parents.I have seen kids come from good families and they are determined to make their parents ashamed of their actions. Some just plain don't care. There are some parents that don't give a damn but not all are like that. BPfrom843-clearly you are crazy as hell! And then you have the nerve to say maybe the Vices caused the accident? Really FOOL!!!?? They were broadsided by someone that ran a red light to get away from the cops. Stop blaming everything on the "white man" and the "crooked cops"!!!! Stand up and be a productive member of society rather than a problem. That's why some of us black folks move to "white" neighborhoods because we don't want our children to be exposed to the type of lifestyle you and your homies love so much! I am not saying that all black neigborhoods are bad but I am saying that most of them are. My son will not be a hustler, a thug,etc that wreacks havoc on the very community that I reside in. Look at the facts and maybe you will better equipped to make an unbiased decision about it all.
July 3, 2009 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
herewego thank you so much !
July 3, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
ww39485, excellent post on all points.
The city's no chase policy is based on the difficulty to pursue a vehicle on the narrow, crowded city streets without putting others at risk. It seems to be an open invitation to take off like perp Gregory did.
Many arrests, however, are the result of foot pursuits by officers. For one example out of many, three people were arrested in one federal housing apartment a few weeks ago (drug dealing, guns, and probation/parole violations) by an officer after a foot pursuit. The officers are out there - you just don't read about every arrest. MOST of the residents in the projects want the dealers out and deserve a safe place to live as much as any of us in Mt. Pleasant, James Island, etc. The judges and parole boards keep putting convicted criminals back on the streets, and as the chiefs say, they arrest the same perps like Gregory over and over again
July 3, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ww29485 (anonymous) says...
Wonderdog,
I am sorry if i offended any city officers, I know a few of them and i understand there hands are tied with the chase policy. and they are all good officers. what i meant is exactly what you said. the thugs don't care about other people, and you and i know they do take advantage of citys no chase policy. thats why when the try to run from ncpd, chas county, or hp they try to run into the city. They should make a law for 5 years no good time on anybody charged with failure to stop for blue lights. black white blue green it does not matter lets try to take all trouble makers off our streets and leave them in jail. but in the end probation makes the state money so this is why they are all out there time and time again
July 3, 2009 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cherub4uinsc (anonymous) says...
First thing, prayers and thoughts to the VICTIMS, Mr and Mrs. Vice families.
Yes people make mistakes but how many mistakes can one make and continue to be slapped on the hand and put back out on the streets to do this horrific crime and then be a COWARD and run from an accident?? I guess none of the people that do not understand hasn't been on the other side of the fence and have been a VICTIM of any type of crime continues to defend this thug. He wants to be a big bad man and drug deal put be a sissy and run from the law and cause an accident. And please no one use the race card, wrong is wrong. This goes back to the role models and up bringing.
July 3, 2009 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
ww29485,
I don't think your post offended any officers - I was just adding more information about the reason behind the no chase policy, and as a regular citizen, I am frustrated by it as well. The thugs take advantage of it.
Again, I agree with your posts.
July 3, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shootingstar (anonymous) says...
80's baby, naked yoga made an illegal u turn,
there is a difference in this and WILLFULLY RUNNING FROM THE POLICE WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR SIRENS ON! Gregory not only ran from the police which is a crime but also killed two people in the process, how can you even compare that to someone making a driving mistake? You make no point at all that makes any sense...
This man DISOBEYED THE LAW, put others in danger AND KILLED TWO HUMANS IN the process.
Big difference from a speeding ticket don't ya think?
July 3, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
egotrip (anonymous) says...
This is really a sad story. My prayers go out to this family. I can only imagine the hurt they are feeling. As for the man that killed them, his morals should've told him to turn himself in. The person that said he is a good person, I can't see his heart, but I know good people get satisfaction from doing the right things. It is not right for kids to suffer because he sold drugs to their parents. It is not right to run from your responsibility. Yes we have all made mistakes, but at some point you must own up and face the consequences. We don't know his family situation, sometimes people from good families do bad things. How many of you read about the craig's list murderer?
July 3, 2009 at 12:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shootingstar (anonymous) says...
Was it really worth it to kill two people just to avoid the law which caught you in the end anyways, and now you are in bigger trouble that you would have been if you had simply stopped..
so, what else were you hiding that you failed to stop???
July 3, 2009 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
Well spoken from the very recesses of your soul @omarro 1974. I am as BLACK as anyone, but I can't DEFEND these sub-human trash in any way! They certainly do NOT represent real hard working successful Blacks in mainstream america. Again, I can NOT add anything else because your post SPEAK for REAL Black Americans in this country omarro 1974.
July 3, 2009 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
I'm very encouraged to see all races basically saying the same thing, maybe there's still hope for our area not spinning out of control like LA and the likes.
for way to long anytime a white person said anything about a black person that was hurting, or killing, his community the white's were instantly called racist with no bassist... lol
we usually aren't allowed to be part of the solution by default, so why try... we'll just be hated and called names anyway,
look what happened to that poor truck driver in LA... and somehow it became all about Rodney King, a repeat criminal, instead... where was the outrage and sympathy for the small white guy that got beaten nearly to death for merely being white??
we see this all over, the Jena6, the brutal murders and torture of Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., 23, and Channon Gail Christian, 21... and the list goes on...
look at ole Jammie Fox talking about how MJ was "OURS", owned by the blacks and that he was "lent" to us etc etc etc...
everyone was just as pissed that Elvis OD'd, I still think he was a POS for living and dying in that lifestyle when he had such opportunity to do better
one day we'll stop being divisive just to be divisive and will work together against these thugs, and our legal system...
and ppl like BSFROMTHEHOOD and STUCKINDA80's aren't worth replying too... we'll read about them soon enough
July 3, 2009 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
stanish, America should Always be capitalized...
July 3, 2009 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
My most sincerest condolences to the Vice family. May God bless and continue to strenghten each and everyone of you at this most difficult time.
July 3, 2009 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
burton (anonymous) says...
Gregory's driver's license has been suspended, off and on, since he started driving at age 17, his driving record shows. The record shows at least 13 traffic convictions since 2003, including speeding, careless or negligent driving, operating an unsafe vehicle, failure to pay a traffic ticket or appear in court, and multiple drug violations.
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Why was this guy on the streets? Above shows that what happened to the Vice's should not be a surprised. I'm an African American male and these are the kinds of guys that I try my hardest to get out of our communities. All they do is bring destruction to the black community!! I blame the Solicitor and the judges for this. His sorry butt should have been given a long jail sentence long time ago and the Vice's would be alive today!
To all the posters, please don't lump all of us into one basket. The majority of African Americans are law-abiding citizens and doing great things for this country. This guy is the minority of our race that gives the rest of us a bad name. You have them in your race too. My condolences to the Vice family. Your parents did not deserve to go out this way because of the actions of this thug!!
July 3, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
I could get negative with you jammer, but I'll reserve that for another time.
July 3, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
lol stanish... not over the punctuation of OUR country
just as God and every time u type Black is capitalized so should be America
it's like saluting our flag or putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem
July 3, 2009 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
My deepest condolences to the Vice family.
Can't blame the police for this guy. They kept catching him and the judicial system kept letting him go.
July 3, 2009 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
ChicagoThug & shootingstar...both of yall can go to hell. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, you have yours and i have mine. Ur an ignorant A hole for responding to something that wasnt directed to you. Speak when spoken to, if not then mind ur damn business. How about you RANT about that loser!!!
July 3, 2009 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
Okay jammer, WHY do you always type President Obama using the SMALL o? His last name SHOULD be capitalized as he is worthy of the respect!
July 3, 2009 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
80sPunk STHU already, you're showing your age and immaturity... "Speak when spoken to", are you kidding me?? rofl...
July 3, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
Enough said to these immautre losers that have nothing to do with there lives. Rest In Peace Mrs & Mr Vice!!!
July 3, 2009 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcncamscott (anonymous) says...
80sBaby and BPFROM843:
Are ya'll really that ignorant? I mean really? In your view, just how many pages of offences does it take for you to say, "Hmmm, maybe this guy isn't so good after all"? You have the audacity to claim he's not so bad. He is the exact epitome of what's wrong in this world today. Not accountable for any wrongdoing. He is the lowest of scum and should never see the light of day again. And for you to come to his defense speaks loudly of your own convictions. ( I'm truly not impressed)!
July 3, 2009 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
jcncamscott...if u read my above post correctly then you would see i never said what he did was ok!!! i never said he was the greatest..So therefore take what the others got and go to hell also!!! toodles losers!! Are you ignorant???
July 3, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcncamscott (anonymous) says...
Oh yeah. 80sBaby:
You may want to re-take an English, Spelling and Grammer course!
July 3, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
I GOT A BACHALOR IN PSYCHOLOGY AND A MASTERS IN SCIENCE!!!
WTH!!! Whatever school gave you those should have their licenses revoked!!!!!!!!
July 3, 2009 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
Lovely_One i suggest you mind your business!!! Or your Feelings will be revoked!!!
July 3, 2009 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
This guy is a reason that people hate Mondays.
July 3, 2009 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
miamidolphin (anonymous) says...
this guy should be executed asap. its a very clear cut case of a man who was in no way a positive influence on society who never has nor will do anything with his life. He has now killed 2 innocent people due to his chosen lifestyle and nobody here can come up with a valid reason to keep this man around anymore. Why in the world would we want to have him suck money out of the system for the next 30 years when his "life" for all intents and purposes is clearly over. I hope the system works quickly to convict and execute this man so my hard earned tax dollars don't buy thousands of ham sandwiches to feed this guy for the next 25+ years. We need to get back to basics in this country...if the punishments for crime are severe enough we will either snuff out the scum over time or the people who had chosen this lifestyle will come around as they will see the consequences are far worse than the rewards. C'mon guys its a simple concept...if you talk back to mom and she quietly says "now don't do that again" chances are you will. I was caught with a swift backhand by dad growing up for talking back to mom and in an instant realized "WOW..that wasnt worth it!"
July 3, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
80sBaby, you are laughable at best, sweetie. Please, do yourself and everyone else a favor and back away from the PC. Kthanksbye!!!!
July 3, 2009 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
On second thought, 80sBaby, please stay. I am very bored today and you may prove yourself to be a very useful idiot!
July 3, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
80sBaby - you have accomplished 2 things here today; 1. you have pretty much got everyone that normally would disagree with each other to agree your a moron; 2. you have made a complete fool of yourself and are an embarrassment to yourself.
You may want to take it easy on the MD2020.
Take a deep breath, exhale...there. Feel better?
Seriously, how old are you 13?
July 3, 2009 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
lol, lovely, you must REALLY be bored!
July 3, 2009 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
teacher25 (anonymous) says...
I knew this man as a child. Everything was given to him on a platter. Nicest clothes, shoes etc.. He was a rude, disrespectful child and never treated any of his classmates with any kindness. He gave the same behavior to his teachers. I hate to admit it...but I knew then that he was going to end up "No Good". He was spoiled and was accepted for the way he was with never any consequences by his parents. His teachers and principals tried their very best but to no avail. I've taught for 25 years and this was the only child that I have ever taught that I never, ever wanted to see again. I wish that they had put him in prison years ago and maybe he could have been given some kind of help or rehabilatation. Leonard, you need to spend the next 30 years in prison and try to make yourself a better person.
I am so sorry that a lovely couple who looked like they had been better people had to suffer at your bad driving and bad decisions. My condolences to the Vice Family.
July 3, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
LOL! Chi_Thug, yes, sadly, I am. Home alone with nothing to do but clean! 80sBaby is just what I need to overcome my boredom. He/she is fun to laugh at.
P.S. You gave her 13, I would have said 6 because my 7 year old knows the difference between homonyms like sun/son; their/there/they're; your/you're....well you know what I mean!!! LOL
July 3, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dessy1 (anonymous) says...
i still stand by my comment nobody with a 9 page criminal history ate age 50 nevermind 23 is a good boy in any way shape or form .. im from ladson and its the same story here the dope dealers put the haul ass on it when the cops try to stop them and why (WHERE RIDIDNG WITH DOPE ) with 3 or 4 in a car
no matter if its the white meth dealers or the black crackdealers SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE
my prayers are with the children and family of these two poor MURDERED people
July 3, 2009 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
teacher25, thank you so much for the insight. It is sad that nothing was done with him sooner. Maybe, like you said, the Vices would still be alive today. Such a waste.
July 3, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dessy1 (anonymous) says...
lmaoo @ my post (WHERE RIDDING WITH DOPE ) erm that was a typo .... backs herself away from the pc lol
July 3, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
freespirit (anonymous) says...
I have been reading the comments while taking a break from work. I have seen this fool since the accident due to my line of work. He is a sorry excuse for human life to say the least. He at no time has shown any remorse for his crimes, but he has proven to be a big cry baby for his "poor hurt leg" wah wah wah. For the people that he has hurt he has no compassion. Most of the comments have been reasonably intelligent and I commend omarro for his comments because he spoke the truth. For 80sbaby and BPFROM843 you both should have been in that car that Mr and Mrs. Vice were in and let's see how good you both would have felt had other families taken the same stance that the two of you have taken. For the others on the site thank you for having the grace, intelligence and general common sense to realize that this fool should be executed or sentenced to life for his cowardly deed. One more message for 80sbaby and BPFROM843 Barney should be on soon, do us all a favor and tune in and stop wasting space and time.
July 3, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Lol @ dessy. At least you were intelligent enough to notice your mistake. We can't say that about everyone here (ahem). LOL!
July 3, 2009 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
freespirit: "One more message for 80sbaby and BPFROM843 Barney should be on soon, do us all a favor and tune in and stop wasting space and time."
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Bwahahahahah!!!!!
80sBaby says: "Oh, shoot! Thanks, freespirit. I almost missed it. I love you, too, Barney."
July 3, 2009 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blackandproud (anonymous) says...
This is sad to say the least. My heart goes out to the family of Mr. and Mrs. Vice. The most hurting part of all, is that this criminal did not have the heart to stop when the accident happened or turn himself in afterwards. It took him from Sunday up until yesterday to do so. Then he did not due it then. A tip help cops to arrest him. So to the ones that are defending him, take inventory of yourself as well as what Mr. Gregory did. If you can find any right in this, then something is terribly wrong with you. This is heartless. I am black and am tired of this. It has to stop. I am also tired of the white's labeling us hard working black citizens in the same group with these thugs.
Just a few months ago, a white guy was involved in a high speed chase with police after a domestic violence incident with his girlfriend. He ran from the cops and killed an innocent black lady and critically injured her daughter. This happened on Hwy 78 up near Trident Hospital. This was sad also. Then the white guy girlfriend gets on the news and says that he was a GOOD GUY. If he was a good guy, when the police responded to the call of the domestic violence, he would not have got in his car sped off, and at the moment did not care about his life or endangering the lives of someone else.
Ignorance and these types of heartless acts has no respect of color. It comes in any color.
July 3, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
stanish obama is not our country, he's just a man... very unqualified IMHO too, as is being unveiled daily...
our country deserves much more respect than a mere proper noun, hence why you see it capitalized everywhere except among the disgruntled or ignorant
it's always been an etiquette thing since it's beginning, to honor one's country... which is also why u'll see me use lower case for communist dictatorship type countries
it is very disrespectful to your, and our, country not to spell it properly... especially if you are doing it on purpose... millions died for our country over the years, it's the least we can do to show our appreciation for our freedoms that we all share
btw notice my own nick is in lower case, our country is much larger than any of us
July 3, 2009 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
freesprit...i never spoke in defense of the criminal. So therefore, you should have been in the car with the Vice's and died too. old hag!!!
July 3, 2009 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
80sBaby (anonymous) says...
This is not an instant message board, its where you leave your thought and go. Most of the people on here sits at the computer and wait for comments, so they can comment back. Get a LIFE!!!
July 3, 2009 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
freespirit (anonymous) says...
Look everyone 80sBaby is back
I take it Barney already went off. lol
July 3, 2009 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
80sBaby: "This is not an instant message board, its where you leave your thought and go. Most of the people on here sits at the computer and wait for comments, so they can comment back. Get a LIFE!!!"
Yes, we do wait to COMMENT back. Thus the term COMMENT BOARD. Keep trying 80s, you'll get it eventually. Bless your little heart.
July 3, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
LMAO @ freespirit. Yep it was about 30 minutes.
July 3, 2009 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
freespirit (anonymous) says...
Lovely_One you need not explain the term "Comment Board" to 80sBaby , I have a real bad feeling that unless it is in slang or something that is read on the side of a wall she really would not understand. I do however find it amazing that this person would take the time to make her/him self look like an absolute fool and not realize it.
o well.
I love you ( or for 80sBaby : U) U luv me ....
July 3, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
loopdeedo (anonymous) says...
Obviously the prospect of prison/jail is no deterrent for these career criminals. Maybe if we didn't provide better living situations for them inside of prison than they have on the streets then they would try a little harder to stay out of trouble. Also, if we brought back hard labor and chain gangs then I think these thugs would think twice before stealing, shooting, and selling drugs. I have NO sympathy for any criminal. Every person in this country has the ability within themselves to make something good out of themselves if they really want. Why should society and the government continue to give these people opportunities when they don't even believe in themselves? It's just a shame that this country will never change and these people will continue to be leeches on society because we let them.
July 3, 2009 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
freespirit, I think ur cor....um....rite bout dat. What wit "a Bachalor in Psychology and a Masters in Science" and all, who gots time for real English, spelling, or grammar, let alone knowing the what a comment board is for. (Written in a way I know 80s will understand it)...LOL!
Okay, I quit now. I'm going to be good from here on. But, I do reserve to change my mind at any given moment....;-)
July 3, 2009 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
omarro1974 (anonymous) says...
Come on 80's baby, you can't defend this at all. I have lived in Charleston for almost 2 years, and I have never seen such behavior from a group of people as I've seen in the young black men who live here. Not all of them, mind you, not even most of them, just enough so that the untrained eye get find something to adhere to a racist stereotype. These young men almost revel in being ghetto, being nonproductive and criminal. Like it or not, we are judged, as a race and as a people by the actions of these fools. That isn't right and it isn't fair, but that's life. We have to do better than we are doing. When you look at the schools that aren't educating, they are our schools. When you look at the projects and who lives there, those are our people. When you look at crime statistics, disease statistics, graduation rates, out-of-wedlock births, any social measure of achievement we are always at the bottom. I'm not trying to denigrate our people, but we have to stop this foolishness ourselves. There is racism in the world and on this board but we can no longer use it as our default excuse when things do not go our way. There is nothing racist about a fat-ass thug who killed two people because he was scared that they were going to run his plates. He is a coward that ran from his responsibility to the people that he killed. He makes every young black man like me, Stanish, Burton and the other MEN who post and defend our people look bad.
July 3, 2009 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
omarro, another stellar post. Thank you!!!!
July 3, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cb74 (anonymous) says...
Posted by 80sBaby on July 3, 2009 at 1:34 p.m.
JCNCAMSCOTT....I GUESS CAT GOT YOUR TONUGE. YOUR COMEBACK WAS WACK!!! ENGLISH, SPELLING, NOR GRAMMER IS NEEDED. I GOT A BACHALOR IN PSYCHOLOGY AND A MASTERS IN SCIENCE!!! WHAT ABOUT YOU, SHORT TERM WRITING IS WHAT YOU CALL IT SMART ASS!!!
I swear cracker jacks must still be handing out degrees I see. I may be wrong because I'm a no good criminal also (I've had 3 speeding tickets & one not at fault accident) <--- I deserve the chair!! Anyway it's it BACHELOR?
Posted by 80sBaby on July 3, 2009 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is not an instant message board, its where you leave your thought and go. Most of the people on here sits at the computer and wait for comments, so they can comment back. Get a LIFE!!!
As for your last comment your first comment was left at ummmm 7:30ish am & last comment 3:30ish pm with several in between who needs to get a life?
Moving right along other than the obvious stupid comments good comments today!!! Thank god I don't need a psychologist.
July 3, 2009 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stanish (anonymous) says...
Posted by 80sBaby on July 3, 2009 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freesprit...i never spoke in defense of the criminal. So therefore, you should have been in the car with the Vice's and died too. old hag!!!
80'sBaby, you do have a right to post if one agrees or not. Wishing one died in the car with the Vice's is beneath common decency! The Vice's did NOT ask for their lives to be taken away from them by this criminal thug. He does NOT value life whatsoever. He only wanted to get away and not be CAUGHT! If he would've come forward and said he was truly SORRY, then that would've said there is some GOOD and even HOPE for him. His SELFISH actions are to BLAME for this most heinous crime! As omarro1974 stated, I'm as BLACK as they come and have taken many to task on these forums even being labeled a RACIST when I stood up for what was the TRUTH! There is still HOPE for even him and others, and I pray that others learn from this TRAGEDY so we will NOT have repeats like this in the future!
July 3, 2009 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
I second that - very well said. I am just sick to my stomach about the 15 year old who was murdered a few days ago. There are many more like Gregory and whoever killed that child, and they have no respect for the sanctity of human life. It's NOT just in one community, one town or one race. This is becoming a frightening world, and no one seems to know how to make it stop. The alternative is to lock them up and hope they stay in prison and don't hurt anyone one else. Gregory obviously was and is a danger to society, but he was released back into our community, and because of his choices, two wonderful people have been taken from their family. Sad, very sad.
July 3, 2009 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPFROM843 (anonymous) says...
OK first of all im WHITE not black but i know what goes on and YES i did say 95% percent of our adult population would have a charge if everyone that committed a crime was arrested that means everything from dui, tax fraud, insurance fraud, possesion of drugs i mean come on there is at least one drug addict in every family none of yall is perfect im sure yall tried drugs when you were younger at least 3 of yall will probably get a dui this weekend I never said that gregory was a saint but i know him and he is no cold blooded killer yall are always so quick to judge but who are you what did you do in your past you are not a judge and you are not god so why are you judging this mans decisions thats exactly why yall redneck republicans are not anyone that has the authority to "hang" or "run him over" like you would have
July 3, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
BPFR your too ignorant to fool us, you are NOT white and you are very uneducated... maybe at a 5th grade reading level...
and NO, every family does NOT have a drug addict in it... and yes MANY families have entire families that NEVER did drugs or committed crimes
you must live in the hood with a dope dealing baby momma to believe the crap you type
give it a rest, we aren't as stupid as you seem to think
and yes, this idiot is a really bad worthless thug that needs to be removed immediately
July 3, 2009 at 9:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPFROM843 (anonymous) says...
im white why would i lie and i bet i have a better education than you and make more money than you and yes your mother is a crackhead
July 4, 2009 at 2:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by omarro1974 on July 3, 2009 at 1:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"We have a real problem here"
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Posted by BPFROM843 on July 3, 2009 at 4:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
so drug dealers are such low scum really??
DID YOU THINK LIKE THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT ALL THOSE DRUGS FROM THEM IN COLLEGE?
this man aint no cold hearted killer
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Posted by 80sBaby on July 3, 2009 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Kontact...i really do value your posting because there are some very ignorant ppl posting comments on here, as if they really no what they are talking about, most ppl who comments are he ones that dont no anything about the outside world as far as peeping out there window because they are afraid of whats outside of there front doors.
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After reading these posts it's not too difficult to determine who has a functional
brain and who doesn't.
omarro1974 offered a well written opinion that displayed a level of understanding and real compassion that seems uncommon in these times.
BPFROM843 and 80sBaby displayed no level of understanding and a total lack of compassion for Mr. and Mrs.Vice,as evidenced by the poorly written rants that they produced.
What possible excuse can be offered in defense of sending two people, who have worked all their lives, to an early grave, when they could conceivably have had many years left to enjoy the fruits of their labors?
July 4, 2009 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
miamidolphin (anonymous) says...
he should be executed asap...period.
July 4, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uzer1 (anonymous) says...
My condolences and sympathy goes to the Vice family.
I know the family of Leonard Gregory. This is a fine and outstanding family in the Charleston area. He was raised by a father and mother along with his siblings.He was not from a single parent home. His father died about a year ago and left a good legacy. He was well known in the Charleston area for his work in the black community and with the teenagers and young ones.
Sometimes, no matter what you do or how hard you work with your children and try to give them a decent upbringing, they go wrong. In no way should his family be held for what he did. It was bad and is not condoned. Parents can only be accountable for their children until they are at least 18. I have heard many parents try to steer their children in a positive direction and they will say"I'm grown now, let me do it my way", theres is nothing else to do, especially when they are away form home.
Many times the company or associates we hang around with will determine how we will do if we don't change. Everyone in the family is angry and hurt about this situation and how it happened.THe school of herd knocks has many students that have to learn the hard way, and this is one. THis was an inexcusable act.
But no matter how hurt, the Vice family has suffered a loss that will never be replaced.
I know there will be many more negative comments on this post, but I have had my say and you can't unring a bell. If we could, Mr. and Mrs. Vice would still be here.
July 5, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uzer1 (anonymous) says...
Kontact, I meant to say thank you for the information on Leonard also. I know how he was raised and know the family very well, I am a cousin to his grandmother and his mother. I know as I have stated earlier, that he was not raised to be the way he was. He came from a good upbringing and was loved by the family and his uncles who tried to steer him in the right way. THis was as shocking to some of us as it was to the area. Many family members found out by watching the news.
July 5, 2009 at 10:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
STREETWISE (anonymous) says...
WWWWOOOOWWW! BPFROM 843...PLESAE SIT UR A@$ DOWN! U MAY KNOW HIM ..BUT I KNOW HIS FAMILY AND HIS DECEASED FATHER. NO WAY IN HELL LEONARD SR. WAS PUTTIN UP WITH THAT! AND HE DID NOT COME FROM A WELFARE FAMILY. GO TO THE ARCHIVES OF THIS PAPER. HE (THE DRIVER) HAD NO REASON EVER IN LIFE TO TURN TO A LIFE OF CRIME! WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION! HE CHOSE IT! THE CHARGE HE HAS NOW MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN AN ACCIDENT...BUT IF HE WAS IN THE RIGHT...HE WOULD NOT HAVE FLED FROM THE POLICE REGUARDLESS OF WEATHER HE GOT OUT OF JAIL 5 MINUTES BEFORE. YA THINK?.....SO THE HUSBAND AND WIFE WHO JUST GOT A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO HAD NNNNNOOOOO BUSINESS DRIVING WAS ABOUT TO GET STOPPED AND RAN FROM THE LAW AND CAUSED THIS HORRIFIC ACCIDENT AND WE ARE SUPPOSE TO HAVE SYMPOTHY BECAUSE??????? I AM THINKIN' AAHH HELL NAW!...I'VE KNOWN THE DRIVER SINCE HE WAS A TEENAGER AND I CAN'T SYMPOTHIZE WITH HIM. HE KNEW BETTER HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO BETTER!....IT'S NOT HIS PARENTS FAULT HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO! THE FAMILY HAS TRIED ENDLESSLY. SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW SIT YOUR A@S DOWN!
July 6, 2009 at 3:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
STREETWISE (anonymous) says...
UZER1 you know what i am thinkin' i know! he (leonard jr.) never had a reason to go down the wrong path! he is just different and thought he could do what he wanted to until now. .....i am thinking that the bite mark of reality is hittin' right now! WORDS OF ADVISE to leonard jr.!....DON'T DROP THE SOAP....AND I HOPE YOU CAN FIGHT!
July 6, 2009 at 4:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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