Graffiti mars downtown buildings at unreachable heights
ARCHITECTURE
When Charleston was mired in the economic doldrums after the Civil War, many said she was "too poor to paint, too proud to whitewash."
As the city's prosperity returned, so has the paint. Unfortunately, much of it is illegal and unsightly.
Charleston police covered up 1,036 cases of graffiti last year, and no one knows how many more were painted over by private property owners.
And much still remains, especially along King and Meeting streets, where it was painted in hard-to-reach spots or on a relatively small scale or because it was done on a historic surface that police are reluctant to deal with.
Take the senseless black doodles painted on an old brick wall behind Second Presbyterian Church. They still linger because the city and church are talking about who owns the wall, Charleston Police Department Corp. Ed Robinson says.
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While Charleston is receiving fewer complaints about graffiti, there's plenty visible on the upper half of King Street buildings. It's difficult for police or property owners to get to these locations to remove it.
Still, some of this bothered a church member enough that he recently took a paint brush and some red and gray paint and covered over two of the largest blots.
The wall looks better than it did, but a keen eye can tell the difference between the original historic brick and the painted-over spots.
The city's Preservation Office and Historic Charleston Foundation can suggest better ways — and the city doesn't require a fee or approval for those removing graffiti.
Last month, police nabbed five people in two separate downtown graffiti incidents. Their fingers were stained with the same colors recently sprayed on walls. If they're as guilty as that sounds, I hope they get hit with the book.
This is more than some minor property crime. For many, graffiti — especially the crude, boring, monochromatic scribbling so common in Charleston — creates a visceral sense that the city is lawless, a place where people with spray paint can mark their presence with the same ease as a dog passing by a tree.
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This wall on Charlotte Street was tagged. Removing graffiti from brick is harder than removing it from wood or other materials.
While a scrawl on a building might not pose a threat in and of itself, it creates a sense that other bad things are more likely to happen there.
And there are victims. Robinson says that if property owners don't cover up their graffiti in a timely fashion (or let police help them), they can get in trouble, too.
Still, it doesn't seem right to expect solutions solely from the police, who already have someone working 30 hours a week removing graffiti. Police can't be blamed for being more concerned about people toting guns, knives and drugs than those wielding spray paint cans.
Maybe the city needs more places where graffiti is welcomed — a sort of release valve for youths with too much time on their hands — and too much paint in them. Think of the abandoned boat along Folly Road that today consists more of paint than whatever material it was built with. It even has its own Facebook page.
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This wall just off King Street has been tagged often.
Maybe King Street business owners need to band together to find a way to cover over more quickly the graffiti on their upper floors — places that police currently can't reach (though Robinson says he may seek help from the fire department's ladder trucks).
And maybe more people need to complain. Some feel the problem is worse than ever, but Robinson says calls to the city's graffiti hot line were sharply lower last month than in December 2007.
Is there really less graffiti out there? Or is it that fewer people are calling the hot line (at 958-1500)? Hopefully, it doesn't mean people are giving up.
After all, graffiti should be kept in its rightful place: inside church steeples, attics and beer joints.
Robert Behre may be reached at 937-5771 or by fax at 937-5579. His e-mail address is rbehre@postandcourier.com, and his mailing address is 134 Columbus St., Charleston, SC 29403.
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islandbenzbc (anonymous) says...
I can't believe that I agree with JimIslander about something...
January 5, 2009 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nappyd (anonymous) says...
Only 30 hours a week huh? No offense, but if it's this big of a problem to make it a full time job...why not give the guy his ten extra hours and benefits?
January 5, 2009 at 7:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billtom (anonymous) says...
The police should be taking more time to check into the graffiti. It's not always about "art" - it is gangs. The gangs are "tagging" the area saying "this is my property - stay out". The store owners cannot ignore it, and neither should be police be ignoring it!
January 5, 2009 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Oh, it's easy to pick on the citizens. Ticket them, and they go pay their fine. It's the path of least resistance.
Why pay anyone for a full time job when they can get something done for less. Who cares if the person doing the job can make enough at it to live.
Another alternative is to use community service hours for it. The problem with that is setting up and overseeing the work.
January 5, 2009 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pball4f (anonymous) says...
Gotta agree with JimIslander as well. The police under Mullen are too busy making us Charlestonians feel like criminals in our own city instead of taking care of real crime. Because evidently it is more important for police to have 15 minute talks each shift with the public instead of trying to get drugs or felons off the street. I guess why deal with a real crime when you can just pull someone over and go to traffic court, I guess its less paperwork.
And BillTom, where is it that you get your information, a 60 minutes piece. The vast majority of graffiti in downtown Charleston is done by rich white kids trying to show off.
January 5, 2009 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
The police most certainly do have the time. I don't know about you, but all these lies the police tell us is getting old.
We need to force some changes in our police departments. We start by replacing the Chief and the other nasty power freaks under him. They all have a bad attitude towards the public and act like the people should kiss their feet. This practice is going to come to a stop, and these power freak big headed politicians are going to be pulled back down to reality with them.
People all over are tired of there BS. Find these twits doing this spray painting and put them under the jail!
January 5, 2009 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
much still remains, especially along King and Meeting streets, where it was painted in hard-to-reach spots
Maybe King Street business owners need to band together to find a way to cover over more quickly the graffiti on their upper floors - places that police currently can't reach
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If the graffiti is so hard to access for removal, by what mysterious method were the people who put it there able to do so?
Maybe pictures of this "art" could be displayed in the paper along with proposed awards to be granted to the creators of these masterpieces.
Hidden Talent Deserves Recognition, then when the aspiring Rembrandts come to get their just do, give it to them.
If all else fails the NEA can open a taxpayer funded school for Graffiti artists providing room, board, an allowance for necessities like cell phones, and
awarding at the end of four years, a certified BA degree in Graffiti Technology thereby preventing this pool of local talent from "slipping through the cracks" and denying the community of a much needed resource of talent.
That would make as much sense as most of the other stupid government sponsored programs we are forced to pay for with our taxes.
January 5, 2009 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GermanyXO (anonymous) says...
Graffiti vandals must be tarred and feathered. Perhaps they may comprehend how property owners feel about their property being vandalized once the vandals themselves are vandalized. Personally, I may start an anti-graffiti task force and spray graffiti vandals with a barrage of paint-pellets!
January 5, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Most of the graffiti is caused by the vagrants who live in the projects on Beaufain Street. If they evicted all of them and sold the property at market rate, the city could make a profit and have a stream of property tax revenue (along with income tax).
Graffiti artists today, prisoners tomorrow.
January 5, 2009 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
The there was the case of the college kid who thought painting little frogs on the sidewalk was cute.
That was until the Secret Service picked him because he painted one in front of Dick Cheney's mother's house. Both the FBI and Secret Service considered him a terrorist and held him for a couple of days.
January 5, 2009 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Agreed JimIslander! They find people tasting wine at cultural events more of a threat to the community?! Gimme a break! It seems to me like they are starting to "tackle" and "target" whats easiest to handle.
January 5, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandnateater (anonymous) says...
we don't have gang problems in Charleston or North Charleston. Just ask the Police Chiefs for these areas. Anyone on this blog today doesn't think it's gangs you need to wake up. This is not rich white kids doing this. These people are gang bangers. But it's not good for tourism for it to be reported as gang warfare.
January 5, 2009 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
My Dad, many years ago, discovered naked women spray painted on his wall downtown. He set up his own sting in his garage.
When he caught the "youths" who were doing this he had his belt and he beat them with his belt until they had his "art" on them. Then he marched them over to their homes informed the parents of the cost to remove the art.The "youths" did the prep work to remove it and the parents spent a small fortune to finish it.
yird, I love your post.
Unfortunately I don't think it is rich kids downtown because there are very few kids left downtown because non-Charlestonians have come in and sent the prices through the roof, "modernized" the houses and then bragged in publications how they have saved us ignorant Charlestonians from ourselves. Life was just hell until these "people with vision" arrived. There were lots of children downtown until these "visionaries" showed up.All with the help of Mayor Riley and his posse.
Please don't think that everyone downtown is a millionaire.There are some true Charlestonians trying to hold on to their property despite the ridiculous taxes and lack of services.
January 5, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
icbmman (anonymous) says...
It is worrisome when there are times that I agree with JimIslander, but he pretty much nails it on the head. CPD and the city's livability court, as well as a few uptight blue-bloods, are more concerned about wine drinkers at art shows and tailgaters at Citadel and Riverdog games than actual criminals. This is just another sign that leadership in the city needs to change for the better.
Most big cities like Charlotte, Denver, and even smaller cities like Savannah don't have obtuse policies that hurt the law-abiding citizens and virtually ignore the real criminals. Here's a question, if police actually did more effective patrolling, wouldn't they be able to catch and convict these vandals? Wouldn't this vigilance cut down on the ugly graffiti?
January 5, 2009 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AFWally (anonymous) says...
hopefully the artists can finish their grafilthy for all of us to enjoy......maybe the cops can stand guard and protect them while they finish, just deploy several cases of donuts onsite for an incentive.
January 5, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
Bulldog 1 if you were responding to me let me set you straight.
If you live downtown you have money. Ignorant statement #1.
If someone's property is defaced and they complain its whining? So if your property is defaced and you complain its legitimate because you don't live downtown?
Don't whine to you? I related a story of how things were done in the good ole days. If I, you or anyone else did that now we would land in jail. And if the "artist" were black it would be on CNN as a hate crime.
So seek help for your anger issue and remember this forum is not all about you and your hang up with "rich" people.
Have a nice day.
January 5, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
I agree with BullDog the Tuna at the Club is excellent today!
January 5, 2009 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peopledontknowwhattheirsaying (anonymous) says...
I'm sorry but calling graffiti artists "gangbangers", "gangsters", or calling graffiti "senseless black doodles" shows ignorance on the part of the author of this article and everyone posting a comment.
While it may appear tags take no time, it is actually a lengthy process unless you have no idea what your doing. It requires a tag name and letters you perfect yourself, and everyone wants to be unique.
It is a way of proving respect in a way, and no, not all "North Charleston black kids" are into graffiti, in fact I know people that do graffiti and they don't look black or from North Charleston. In fact I'd bet the majority are not black or from North Charleston, and I would know more than you about the subject.
And also. Graffiti artists are not gangsters, what are you talking about you ignorant people. You have absolutely no idea who does this, why, when, or anything so just please stop making false accusations. You don't know what you're saying. From reading this I can see the author is poorly informed on the Graffiti issue.
January 5, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missing_Home (anonymous) says...
LOS ANGELES, CA - - - -Anyone that has been there knows Charleston better do something and do it Quick!!!!
I was amazed to see what lengths people would go through to graffiti on someone elses property. The more dangerous the tag the more people try to out do it.
Los Angeles put up concertina wire around the sign post to prevent people from crwling over the interstate to deface the traffic signs, the punks still got through.
I think they should cane these punks in the town square in front of everybody when they catch them. Give them some humility, give them some pain every time they sit down for a week, than make thier parents pay the bill.
Singapore does it, they have hardly any vandalism.
January 5, 2009 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
Hhmmm..I know they don't let your kind in at the Country Club Bulldog. You are not capable of controlling your rage.
Thanks for the name calling. Coming from someone like you I take that as a compliment.
Again ignorant statements abound. How do you know I have or don't have a mortgage? Again just because one lives in a certain part of town they are not entitled to any protection?
I stand by what I said. You are angry and now i will add a bore.
Yawn.And by the way they didn't have Tuna today at the Country Club. I called and asked.
January 5, 2009 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missing_Home (anonymous) says...
No Tuna, You should change CC?
Your Dad didn't happen to live in the Lockwood BLVD, Colonial lake area did he?
January 5, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
One last thing Bulldog before I ignore your angry little self, my husband treated himself to an M-4 Carbine for Christmas.
I'll bet my gun is bigger than yours.
January 5, 2009 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missing_Home (anonymous) says...
That was mature
January 5, 2009 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
johnnyholmes- I'm not ColdBeer. I'm CFB. I'd never swap spit with JimIslander either.lol I just happen to actually agree with him on this one.(but it's blatantly clear we don't agree on any other issues)
January 5, 2009 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AFWally (anonymous) says...
Jesus would be so proud.....buying guns for his birthday. :)
I try to get all my guns, ammo and accesories on MLK day. I had a dream that every man had at leat 10 guns and shot marksman at the range.
January 5, 2009 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
Bulldog I just read your post. I commend you for your words.I am not your enemy. I agree with you. There are some people who like where they live and are resentful to those who not only move in and demand we change but they blab about how we were so ignorant until they came on the scene.
Our elected officials side with the "newcomers" and "stylemakers".
All I can do is vote against them.Locally and nationally.
And now we will all pay whether downtown, west ashley, Mt. Pleasant or another state in this Country.
I am not whining merely venting like you.
I apologize to you as well.
And we really do have an M-4 Carbine. It scares me but i am glad my husband has it.
I am a Patriot and a Capitalist.
January 5, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KidYendor (anonymous) says...
Arrested graffiti artists should have a forefinger or two surgically removed along with jail time and paraded around town with a sign, "I GOT ARRESTED FOR SPRAYING GRAFFITI".
January 5, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Catherine (anonymous) says...
Have a good day Bulldog. There are plenty of us out there who are angry but we never get a forum.
We are called the hate mongers because we won't give in to the politically correct.
By the way google Mumia Abu-Jamal and go to his list of donors.
You will find the enemies of our Country sitting right there pontificating at the College of Charleston and in our unions in Charleston.
You may already know who jamal is but if not read about him and what a monster he is.His list of donors include coward bill ayers and a few academia you might be interested in knowing about.
Then refer back to an article written about obama and his visit to charleston at 21 King Street. Notice who he went to vist at CofC and whose name appears on the donors list to release Jamal from not only death row but prison all together.
You see, I agree with you.
January 5, 2009 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bpwnz (anonymous) says...
The third picture is a door not a wall.
January 5, 2009 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Catherine, Mister angry Bullldog knows all and A-S-Sumes alot.
I wonder if he can shot all 60 at once..impressive
On a lighter note, we should spray paint these fools at will whenever we like.
bpwnz, you, I, and the rest of us, well maybe not bullfrog, know it is a door. It is apparently the P&C that can't identify it 9 times out of 10.
January 5, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jmw9 (anonymous) says...
I think it is interesting that people get so irritated and mad about issues that don't necessarily effect them directly, but they aren't mad at themselves or even bothered by the simple ones that do - like the fact that that they can't spell simple words or make complete sentences.
January 5, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
peopledontknowwhattheirsaying - Tagging shows respect?
I see kind of like, HRH on Barbor Jackets, and Rolls Royce Cars?
I approve so I'll afix my "royal pain in the but" seal to your wall, your church, your mail box, our lamp post, the city stop light control box and so on.....
Nice!
To Bullstink and St. Catherine - why don't you two meet in a bar so we can catch the show on the 11 o'Clock news?
I really don't care who does it, why they do it or how bad it damages property or how much it costs to clean it up.
Getto Art is just all kinds of wrong!
I love selfexpression, you want to personalize something buy a ronco home tatoo kit, paint your car, paint your mother's car, build a sand castle, .....
Just don't do at IOP.
And don't make me have to pay for your damage to other people's property.
I'll give Charleston this, we have way more talented people here because down in Beaufort they have the same issue except with vinyl stickers.
January 5, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fyrefighter273 (anonymous) says...
Why don't the cop spend his 30 hours a week supervising the removal of ghetto art by the jail birds. The majority of the problems in Charleston are gang related, this is tagging, it means something to them.I say it is trash just like they are, I disrepct them I say make the dip --it crips, bloods, latin kings and other p.o.s. clean their mess up. Sentence them to community service so they will really enjoy their air conditioned cells!
January 5, 2009 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bagballa (anonymous) says...
Its a door, most doors can be found on a wall. Doors are not supported by just air. Hence the word wall.
January 5, 2009 at 6:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Funky_Winkerbean (anonymous) says...
Have any of you seen some of the peeps that are responsible for this behavior... Their bodies are mutilated with tattoos from head to toe. It's disgusting. I look at it this way at least these gawd awful scribbles can be painted over and eventually the dudes or dudettes will grow up. The sad thing is those Tramp Stamps and the like they have painted all over their beautiful bodies are not as easy to get rid of. I have too laugh whenever I see some of these bodies now-a-days cover with, er-r-umm, for lack of a better term, body art. I can only imagine what they will look like when they get in 70's... That tramp stamp that is riding high now will be somewhere around the lower buttocks, and the ankle tattoes will be under the foot. I tell we have some good laughs ahead of us. I can guarentee you this our building that have survived the perils of time will fair a lot better. Once painted none will be worse for the wear. Whatcha gonna do about those tats?
Just Venting!
Funky_WinkerBean
January 5, 2009 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Funky_Winkerbean (anonymous) says...
Just a side note- there is a special paint that graffiti will not stick too... Living in New York for quite a few years, graffiti became the norm. Then some genius invented the a paint and most, not all, the problems where solved. If the graffiti don't stick you must quit... There are bigger dogs the Charleston/North Charleston Police have to deal with. Our reputation as being the murder capital is one stigma we can do without. I remember when Charleston was actually perstine and wholesome.
Adding my 2 cents-
Funky_Winkerbean
January 5, 2009 at 8:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Funky_Winkerbean (anonymous) says...
Just a side note there is a special paint that graffiti will not stick too... Living in New York for quite a few years, graffiti became the norm. Then some genius invented the a paint and most, not all, the problems where solved. If the graffiti don't stick you must quit... There are bigger dogs the Charleston/North Charleston Police have to deal with. Our reputation as being the murder capital is one stigma we can do without. I remember when Charleston was actually pristine and wholesome.
Adding my 2 cents-
Funky_Winkerbean
January 5, 2009 at 8:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CannonMan (anonymous) says...
I own and live downtown and have had graffiti on my house. So, this story irritates me because it affects me jmw9.
But this quote gets me: "Maybe the city needs more places where graffiti is welcomed - a sort of release valve for youths with too much time on their hands - and too much paint in them."
Why is it so hard for the culprits just to realize that vandalizing OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY IS WRONG?
This is the same "prize for even the losers" attitude that has created the "entitled" Generation Y. Why is it such an issue to just prosecute the little buggers so that they learn what is right and what is wrong?
January 5, 2009 at 10:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peopledontknowwhattheirsaying (anonymous) says...
cedarposts
yeah tags are basically a way of expressing your artistic talent. one who has absolutely none downtown is a guy who does "Ace" tags that just suck, they take no skill and could be considered senseless black doodles or whatever.
but many people downtown do sick pieces (like real graffiti art), not tags, in places you wouldnt find. theyres on super good piece by the art shop downtownbut you have to look over a fence.
I'm just saying i know its defacing property but its awesome if you know what your doing, I mean look at the Graffiti Building in NYC. or a guy that did a piece called "bond" in India, thats some skill for you
especially the bond one.
you should check it out
January 5, 2009 at 11:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peopledontknowwhattheirsaying (anonymous) says...
this is the bond one.
its on a site, no viruses or anything
just has a few pics
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgur...
January 5, 2009 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ohmydarling (anonymous) says...
I know a good few personally, and dozen or so of people who consider themselves "graffiti artists". I know they all do it for different reasons. Some people do it because they are naive and believe it is the fad they feel they need to follow in order to fit in with the certain crowd they'd like to be a part of. And there are the few, but most recognizable ones that do it because they're truly passionate about art that so many people tend do look down on.
I have never once met one who is involved in gangs in any way though. Neither have I seen any graffiti marking spots on where to get drugs, which people falsely assume quite often.
And the tags, bombs, "scribble", stickers and such.. you have to realize it may look so sloppy to you, but its meant to be quick because they're usually done with the most traffic filled areas with a lot of eyes. If it was legal, it'd perhaps be a more sightly thing to even the ones who view it so negatively, because then theyd get to take their time on it. They are trying to get their names out to be recognized, and they are all trying to test their skill to display their creativity in just seconds timing. They'll sit for long periods of time at home zoned out in their sketchbooks, trying to perfect different styles. With how much time I've seen them dedicate to true graffiti, I think it deserves to be categorized as real art. Its just a matter of disposition. I definitely understand that in the art world there are many forms and everyone has picky.. acquired tastes towards it.. and this is one of those easily categorized as the misunderstood form. School teaches you the most popular forms of art that majority of people tend to like.
Not all graffiti artists are horrible, no-good kids with no lives. Some of these people have decent jobs, wonderful personalities, and are even some of the nicest and most respectable people that I never would have thought they'd be so vehement about something so illegal and looked down upon. Most even have their rules on where to not paint.. such as church and school property. Its just those naive ones that ruin it for the rest, and are responsible for the true "trash".
It shouldnt be everywhere and in certain areas on peoples walls, but every city needs a little something eye catching and creative. Why would it be considered a city otherwise? Some of those tourists are graffiti artists from other places to see what people across the states are coming up with. Truthfully, the graffiti style now is much more appealing and less offensive than what it was about 20 years or so ago.
And cops need to be spending more time on things that are truly corrupting the streets. I cannot walk for more than 10 minutes downtown without someone trying to sell me drugs or get money from me to buy liquor and get drunk and high on whatever and just pass out in the streets.
January 23, 2009 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peopledontknowwhattheirsaying (anonymous) says...
One last thing I find it funny that your stereotyping graffiti artists as people you describe as- "Their bodies are mutilated with tattoos from head to toe. It's disgusting."
Your great.
Cause i know plenty of people that do graffiti, maybe one or two have a tattoo, none have more than one or two.
Just don't talk about things you don't know.
Graffiti can be art, but people just stereotype it to the point of saying people that skateboard and people in North Charleston, for example, do graffiti, which isn't even true. Come on. It would be nice if they would deal with other problems
March 4, 2009 at 5:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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