Toddler's death labeled suspicious
Mother: Day spent at pool, things seemed normal
By Noah Haglund
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A man calls 911 on the morning of Monday, Sept. 15, 2008, from Dovetail Circle in Summerville to report the death of 22-month-old Blaise Preston Spoerl.
SUMMERVILLE — Authorities have labeled the death of a toddler as suspicious but aren't saying much else about the case.
The mother of 22-month-old Blaise Preston Spoerl said there was nothing out of the ordinary until she woke up Monday morning to find the boy dead in his crib. She said she and her boyfriend went swimming with the child at the neighborhood pool Sunday in the Weatherstone subdivision.
A police report describes officers going to the house at 402 Dovetail Circle for a medical emergency call around 10:45 a.m. They found the child in a crib, covered in blood and stiff.
Officers later interviewed the mother and her boyfriend, who lives with her and two roommates.
"It was a normal day, we spent the day at the pool," Jennifer Spoerl, 28, told The Post and Courier. "We ate dinner, put him to bed and when we woke up, he was already passed."
The boyfriend told police the child had a bruise on his face and might have fallen while at the pool, the report says. At dinner that night, the child was falling asleep in his highchair, the boyfriend told police, so he put him to bed early.
Spoerl said she hasn't heard from police since they questioned her and her boyfriend Monday. She wondered if the boy might have had water in his lungs, like a 10-year-old Goose Creek boy who died in June more than an hour after swimming in an apartment complex pool.
The Berkeley County Coroner's Office declined to release the results of an autopsy performed Tuesday morning.
Deputy Coroner George Oliver said Summerville police asked his office to withhold the child's name and cause of death. A death notice sent to the newspaper Tuesday identified the child.
The police report says that the Department of Social Services took custody of the toddler's 8-year-old sister on Monday.
Reach Noah Haglund at 937-5550 or nhaglund@postandcourier.com.
Comments
WhoCares (anonymous) says...
Is it just me, or does this mother's comments seem a little cold...and calculated? I sure don't see a lot of "mourning" or sadness in her words. Of course I'll admit we probably haven't read everything she said, just what the reporter chose to include in the story. But still, ...
September 17, 2008 at 5:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gococks1985 (anonymous) says...
This is not at all what the TV news said....and yes the mothers comments do seem to be a bit off considering that she just lost BOTH of her children. One to heaven and one to DSS...
September 17, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Yeah walks like a duck usually is a duck....Doesn't pass the sniff test.
September 17, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Sure is CONVENIENT that the Goose Creek incident was brought up by the Mom.
I smell fish...
September 17, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SummervilleResident (anonymous) says...
Lots of partying goes on with this couple and their friends. This is so very sad.
September 17, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sig (anonymous) says...
Another child gone probably because of irresponsible adults. It makes the soul sad that this child and many others never had/have a chance in life.
May god rest his soul and if this is child neglect, which it sounds like it is and not an accident, may the parents rot in prison before they go to hell!
September 17, 2008 at 6:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DanniD (anonymous) says...
The picture of the little boy breaks my heart. How could anyone possibly hurt that little boy?? What horrible thing to happen. I hope his sister is okay.
September 17, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
What a precious little boy. My heart is broken & I never knew him.
Covered in blood? That is very strange.
It does seem from the info given in this article that something is very "off", to say the least.
If mom &/or her bf were involved & trying to make it look like a SIDS or delayed drowning it seems they would have made some attempt to wipe off the blood. Maybe?
I find the call time odd also-people w/ 22 month olds rarely sleep until 10:45 am on a Monday. Neither adult had a job to go to? Maybe they both work the afternoon shift?
Of course from the article it is difficult to know how the info about the face bruise & possible "water in the lungs" came out. Was it given in response to questions from the police? Or was it defensively & eagerly offered?
If this mother is responsible...well, I cannot fathom destroying one of my children. It does not compute. I cannot wrap my brain around it.
September 17, 2008 at 6:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
counterpoint (anonymous) says...
You are all diseased.
September 17, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Something definitely seems off here.I didn't see the mother on tv,but I saw a bizaare comment on a news site.It sounded of no grieving.Someone had posted could this be secondary drowning?Well she jumped on the wagon and ran. (This was her response(the mother)
"The story you got is not correct. I am the childs mother and there was no indication that I thought there was foul play. We were at the pool all day on sunday, and from now hearing about secondary drowning syndrome I believe that is what happened. I will not comment any more until I get the autopsy from the police. Thank you for your neglect in finding the truth."
Jennifer Spoerl
I'm sorry but she sounds more concerned about planting seeds about what couldve happened than grieving.Another poster thought this was the same guy who took the kids to the pool and was so verbally abusive-she'd leave.(calling the baby boy a p***y and stuff like that)Who knows what happened but soon we will find out.I sure don't believe you bleed out from secondary drowning.
September 17, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Ok going to play devils advocate here I didn't see where it said he was covered in blood but will reread it also my son who passed away 38 years ago had a bruise on his head as well when he died. But he use to rock his self to sleep in the crib we didn't have bumper pads then and I use to try to keep a blanket on the bars never worked. When the corner saw it I too was labeled till the autopsy then they knew it was because of his pneumonia and cystic pybroisis I don't label anyone till I see the FACTS.
September 17, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
adorecouture (anonymous) says...
The WCIV website reports different information. A roomate said the boyfriend punished the child for "spilling his beer". The same roomate also stated that the mother came home intoxicated later that evening. Both parents also have myspace accounts...although the boyfriend just turned his myspace page private, as of today...something to hide? So much on the page was alcohol related. That poor innocent baby...I hope investigators get to the bottom of this story.
September 17, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkpainting (anonymous) says...
Cute little boy. God is in control. People can run but they cant hide. To the family, sorry about the lost. My heart go out to all of you.
September 17, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
Looks like he was a very lively kid. Its a shame that this little kid will never get the chance to truly live life.
Who had a 22 month old kid and sleep until 10 am. I wish I could sleep until 10 am now, with a 7 year old. Something is very fishy here and if they found out that someone hurt this kids, my they pay dearly for this.
September 17, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
"They found the child in a crib, covered in blood and stiff."
"Authorities have labeled the death of a toddler as suspicious"
Do ya think?
September 17, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wood_floors (anonymous) says...
What a sad story. I feel for the 8 year old in this case. She must be scared to death! It will be very interesting to see what the autopsy shows. If the mother and b/f were involved, let's hope they are punished accordingly...NO MERCY!!!
September 17, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
James_Crackcorn
Careful, comments like that will get the "PETA Patrol" after you.
(P.S.: I agree with you).
September 17, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
With me about to become a parent for the first time, it upsets me when I hear about stories like this. He was an adorable little boy and may he rest in peace. I hope he gets the justice he so rightly deserves.
If the parents had anything to do with this, may God have mercy on their souls because once they get locked up, Master Johnson and Willie Stroker will be all over the daddy like a polyester leisure suit and Big Lucille will be all over mom asking her to shave her coin purse. But I digress.
September 17, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
"If the parents had anything to do with this, may God have mercy on their souls because once they get locked up, Master Johnson and Willie Stroker will be all over the daddy like a polyester leisure suit and Big Lucille will be all over mom asking her to shave her coin purse. But I digress."
Awesome post!!!!
September 17, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
Like many of you have already said....
No 22 month old child sleeps until almost 11am. Especially when they've been put to bed early.
My daughter is 27 months old and I am LUCKY to be able to sleep in until 8 on the weekends.
Also, I've never heard of a child secondary drowning to be found covered in blood. SIDS either.
He "might have fallen at the pool"
What a crock of crap! As a mother of a child fairly the same age, I have to say that when we go to the pool, she can't be trusted to run around without me right there holding her hand. In the pool, she would have to either be in a floaty-boat thing or be in my arms. How the hell would someone not know for sure if a child that was not even 2 years old fell or not at the pool?! And if he DID fall at the pool and had a bruise on his head because of that, why in God's name wouldn't they take this little angel to a HOSPITAL when he was falling asleep while eating? Bruise on head + lack of consciousness= concussion. It's not rocket science people, it's parenting (although to some of these low life parents out there, it must seem like rocket science to them)!!!
Another thing, why aren't there any statements from the 2 other people who lived in the house? Seems to me that if I had 2 other people living in my house, they would know something or another.
September 17, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pillsbury (anonymous) says...
The kid was covered in blood and might have fallen at the pool? I'm sorry, and I hate to prejudge, but the mom and boyfriend suck as parents.
September 17, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
topix (anonymous) says...
Thank you, GrannyofSeven. Finally, someone with some common sense.
September 17, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Well, if anything happened at the pool, it'll be on camera, so says the neighborhood watch guy. If this baby died because of parental negligence, I hope they get the entire wall of the courtroom thrown at them and not just the book.
September 17, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
abitskeptical wrote:
"Covered in blood? That is very strange."
Marianne0558 wrote:
"Also, I've never heard of a child secondary drowning to be found covered in blood. SIDS either."
While it is true that the article's wording of "covered in blood" is a big, bright light over the heads of investigators, there is also the possibility that the blood they saw was actually interstitial fluid.
This fluid, as well as all others, will pool on the lowest part of the body when a person dies. If the person's face is turned sideways or face down, it will seep out of the mouth, ears, nose, etc. It resembles blood and is often mistaken for it during investigations.
Regardless, I don't see a human being of 22 months old dying of natural causes being "covered" in interstitial fluid. I suspect fowl play.
Just thought Y'all would like to know...
September 17, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
First off, If you put your child to bed earlier, doesn't that mean they are going to wake up earlier than normal...So why wait to go check on your kid until 10:45 IN THE MORNING!
Second off SHE'S LYING! The roomate told the police that the mother (Jennifer) didn't get home until 1:40 in the morning on Monday, and she (the mother) was intoxicated. The Boyfriend (Justin) Already admitted that the baby was left in his care and that he had put the baby to bed early after feeding him, because he was supposedly falling asleep... so why is she lying...
And third and foremost...Fine if the baby fell at the pool...OUR POOL HAS WORKING SURVELLIENCE THERE! If he fell and hit his face like that at the pool, it would be on CAMERA and if he did fall where are the scratches! They only said he had a bruise on his face...The pool is surrounded by concrete EVERYWHERE! I want to see it! They are BOTH liars from what this looks like so far!
Look at their myspace pages...all you have to do is a friend search with their names. The mother has all kinds of surveys on their about what kind of a drunk she is, and how she's an alcoholic and everything. You only seek and put up surveys that are of interest to you and you like...so you can already see the picture being painted together about what kind of a parent she was. I really PRAY for that little girl! She needs SO MUCH MORE THAN THIS! May God surround that little baby girl (I know she is 8/9) in his love and protection, and keep her AWAY from this! Justice will be done, and the truth will come out. You can only lie for so long. They will be caught!
September 17, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
katie (anonymous) says...
Who could possibly hurt that beautiful little baby? That mother is quite obviously hiding something...they came up with a nice little story. I would like to know where the father is in all of this. Remember that it is all of our responsibilities to be advocates for children since they can not always speak. Shame on all adults involved in this for not speaking up before this happened to protect him. What mother goes out drinking until 1:40 in the morning on a Sunday? I am sure that many people on this earth right now would have given anything for such a beautiful, healthy little boy. I wish they would all stop lying and just tell the truth, it is obvious that they killed this little boy since the coroner is refusing to release the autopsy. For Jennifer to even suggest that this is a case of dry drowning like the little boy in Goose Creek is a case of absolute disrespect to that boy's mother...shame on you, take some responsibility in your life already.
September 17, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
This is definitely heartbreaking. I can see why there is suspicion surrounding this baby's death.
I have never heard of a child this age being a victim of SIDS, and as far as the child being covered in blood, hard to say.
Hopefully the autopsy will provide all of the answers.
September 17, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missing_Home (anonymous) says...
To MejusM:
Post the Myspace URL
September 17, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SummervilleResident (anonymous) says...
For her to be out drinking until 1:40 isn't unusual for this group. It's very common and no doubt they were all drinking and partying all day long before that also because that is common as well.
September 17, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Well there were photos on the boyfriend's page that had another little boy that he called his son and in one of the pictures there was that little boy "his son" and Blaise. The little boy had a hold of Blaise's shirt and the commenting read..."Listen here Punk"...tells you how the boyfriend felt about the little boy Blaise. Yes I too have been to the pool while they were there and had to leave because I could not take listening to him calling the little boy names. I have heard from others they were not very responsible at all and that they were big partiers. You can tell that from thier myspace pages...Well at least her's because his is now private...Hmmm isn't that funny...What are you hiding JUSTIN???
September 17, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Hmm...GO FIGURE! NOW BOTH MYSPACE PAGES ARE PRIVATE! YOU ARE MURDERER'S!!!!
September 17, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jca (anonymous) says...
their pages are now private
this is justins his mood is scared why if he committed no crime
also the comment on the side is interesting
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?...
hers
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?...
the mood is uncomfortable
weird i know
i have a 5.
year old boy that i dont let out of my sight at the pool. too many things can happen in a split second
when he was this she i was worse
they were both drunk which means they passed out and probably wouldnt have heard him wake up.
they did something. why make your pages private all of a sudden
September 17, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
They're probably both monitoring the comments on the story... to see what people think about them.
Here's what I think...
You are both lying and that poor little boy would have been better off without you. I hope you get what's coming to you. No child just dies naturally and is found covered in blood. And in case you didn't follow the dry drowning story concerning that little boy in Goose Creek, he died an HOUR after he left the pool, NOT the next day!
September 17, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
I did not watch the TV last night so I am sorry I didn't see it. Ok so there is blood, mother likes to party. Ok I see the suspicion here but let's still wait for the rest of the story as Paul Harvey would say.
Because of the suspicion of my sons death and before it was released I was evicted from my home and yes I was very innocent as was my husband. I also got an apology from the then corner Kenneth Chew for any inconvenience he may have caused. And if they are guilty of this beautiful little ones death then hang her by her mammary glands and him by his sperm sack.
September 17, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Hmmm...Wonder why "Jennyfur"'s stomach is sick...Did you do something wrong and you are lying about it and you know your giong to get caught! Everyone around you already knows what kind of a parent you are so go ahead and CONFESS! Oh, and to be on Myspace after you lost your baby boy...Hmm...think you would be worried about a LOT more than a myspace page being set to PRIVATE! You are a LIAR!
September 17, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
"The Summerville Police Department is investigating the death of a two year old boy. According to the police report, a call came in that a two-year-old toddler was in his crib covered in blood, cold and stiff.
When police arrived at the house on Dovetail Circle, the toddler's mother, Jennifer Spoerl, was outside hysterically crying. The mother's boyfriend, Justin Hillerby, was also at the scene. Hillbery told police that the toddler might have fallen at the pool earlier in the day and that boy had a bruise on the left side of his face. Hillerby went on to say that as he was feeding the toddler dinner, the boy was falling asleep in the highchair so he put him to bed.
The couple lived with two roommates: Eric Riggins and Brandi Mihil. Mihil told police that when she and Riggins returned home from dinner the baby was in the living room crying. Mihil said that Hillerby told her the baby had knocked over this beer and that he had put the little boy in the corner.
Mihil said the boy's mother returned home at 1:40 in the morning and had been drinking. Everyone went to bed. At 10:45 yesterday morning, Spoerl checked on her baby, began yelling, waking her roommates. Mihil said that's when they saw the baby in his crib.
Berkeley County DSS took the little boy's sister into Emergency Protective custody.
The boyfriend, Justin Hillerby, is listed as a suspect in the police report. The investigation is ongoing. "
September 17, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonroots (anonymous) says...
Such an adorable child and a tragic end to his young life. If I had lost one of my boys I would be in no condition to speak to anyone much less the news. I wonder when she made the suggestion that the boy may have died from dry drowning? Last night I watched an Oprah show that I recorded on my DVR and Dr. Oz had an interview with the mother of the Goose Creek boy that died. It was recorded either Monday or Tuesday. So if she did not mention it to police during the interview then she may have got the idea from the Oprah show. That little boy in Goose Creek had white foam around his nose & mouth not blood all over his body. Also the mother from Goose Creek checked on her child 30 minutes after he went to bed and he was 10. I use to check on my kids when they were sleeping just to make sure they were breathing. The boyfriend states the baby may have fallen at the pool, they should know if he fell or not. You do not take your eyes off a child around a pool.
The other tragedy is the 8 year old little girl. Her baby brother is dead and she is with strangers at DSS. Are their no responsible relatives that could take custody of the little girl. God knows what she must be going through. She may have heard or seen this tragedy take place. My heart breaks for these two children. God bless them.
September 17, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
A 22-month old child was found dead in a Summerville home Monday, now police are saying the death is suspicious.
According to the Summerville Police Department, the boy was found dead in a home at 402 Dove Tail Circle in the Weatherstone Subdivision. An autopsy is expected to determine the cause of death. The mother, Jennifer Elizabeth Spoerl, called 911 Monday morning around 10:45.
The 2-year-old was found in his crib covered with blood, cold and stiff, according to the police report.
The mother's boyfriend, Justin Hillerby, told police the child was in his care Sunday and may have fallen into the pool. He also told police that while feeding the toddler dinner, he kept falling asleep, so Hillerby said he put the boy to bed.
According to roomate, Brandi Lynne Mihill, when she returned from dinner, Hillerby said the child had been placed in the corner after spilling his beer. Mihill told police the mother returned home intoxicated around 1:40 a.m.
The Berkeley County Department of Social Services removed the 8-year-old child from the home and placed her in emergency protective custody while the case is being investigated.
September 17, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jca (anonymous) says...
mr riggins myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?...
also private his mood is satisfied
he has also been on today hmmm
why wouldnt he be comforting the grieving parents since he lives with them
who has time for the internet when a family member has died
September 17, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
If someone is just going to harm their kids, why not give them to someone who will love them and take care of them! I would take anyone's child and raise it! I have children of my own and I love them all and I couldn't even imagine this...How do you not know what happened to YOUR CHILD in YOUR HOME!
September 17, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lowcountrydawg (anonymous) says...
The truth will come out...it always does...
September 17, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
citizen_smith (anonymous) says...
This Country spends too much time protecting those who have done wrong and not enough time protecting innocence. Citizens should gather, with torches tonight and storm his home. I think a public hanging is in order. Maybe the next child murderer will think twice.
September 17, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
iceman1978 (anonymous) says...
They're both lying if you ask me.
September 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
soul2soul (anonymous) says...
So sad......R.I.P. baby Blaise.
September 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
I wonder how the 8 year old girl got to school on Monday when all of this happened?
If both parents were drunk and passed out, didn't go to wake the little boy until almost 11... did the little girl get up and walk to the bus stop alone? Did someone drive her?
September 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Granny, I'm sorry for the loss of your son. The way the media is portraying the couple, it is putting them in a bad light and their statements are making them look more and more suspicious. I'm thinking when your tragedy occured, you and your husband were a lot more cooperative and forthcoming than this couple is.
September 17, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Well for me leaving was because I had children of my own that I didn't want in the mess.
September 17, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
MeJusMe, I certainly hope you let the authorities know what you witnessed at the pool.
September 17, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
Granny, I'm also sure you didn't spend the next few days on myspace.
If (God forbid) my child died, I don't think I could move on at all with my life. I think I would be seriously depressed, maybe even suicidal. I definitely would NOT be speaking to media, spending time on the internet, etc.
But then again, maybe it's because I love my baby with all my heart and am a good parent?
September 17, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
I am not going to intentionally put my children in harms way. You may have been by yourself. But what if I had said something and it started a confrontation. My children don't need to see things like that, nor hear them. I was thinking about MY children's safety...Isn't that what a REAL parent is supposed to be concerned about...THEIR CHILDREN'S WELL BEING! I was being a responsible parent the way I knew how.
September 17, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Thank god she didn't have an abortion or get neutured!
We live in a very mean social environment when we would rather she a child born to be abused by it's parents rather than demanding parents be responsible before they procreate. We don't act very responsible ourselves when we allow this to happen.
September 17, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jca (anonymous) says...
mejusme
you did the right thing. i would have done the same thing
dont let anyone tell you any differently
September 17, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I'm with you Marianne, God forbid something happened to my daughter, me and her dad would give a rat's azz less about MySpace, tv, mail, etc. I'd wanna know why..but then again, I'm thinking because my priorities shifted when I knew I was going to be a parent.
September 17, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Don't worry I already have. I also made sure they knew that the pool has video survellience and they need to get it to verify that the little boy fell.
September 17, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
adorecouture (anonymous) says...
Good point Marianne, did the 8 year old get up and go to school by herself while her parents were passed out? I wonder if the 8 year old can shed some light on the what happened and if there was any ongoing abuse...
September 17, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
The victim in all this is, of course, the little boy. However, the little girl is the one in my prayers right now. I can only imagine how her little world has changed. I am sure the people at DSS are doing all they can to comfort her right now. At least, I hope so.
September 17, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
When my son died (I was only 18) I to this day don't remember much of anything during the few days up to his burial only what was told to me I was in a catatonic state most of the time if we had a computer at that time no I don't think I would have been anywhere near it. But people do act in different ways. God help these people if they are guilty may they suffer for what they have done. Can someone answer me this one question WHY!!!!! These babies have no reason to be dead and I say Babies because all year this is all I have been seeing. WHY is this happing to such innocents this I will never ever understand?
And Yes CB sometimes I do question my God on this Why he would allow this to happen.
September 17, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
granny
Over 40 Million babies have been murdered since that horrible day in 1973. If we can LEGALLY kill babies in the womb without feeling guilt, then perhaps we (as society) are becoming desensitized now to killing children outside of the womb. May GOD help us.
September 17, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Two_Sheds (anonymous) says...
Another story about a dead or abused child who lives with the mother and her boyfriend. When will women get a clue and stop trusting her "shack-up" with her children?!
September 17, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nikkiP (anonymous) says...
So just because he's not the biological father, or married, means he will abuse the child? How many married parents abuse their kids? This didn't happen because he lived with her, it happened because they're negligent.
Not calling them murderers, because I don't know the facts, but at the very least they were negligent.
When should the coroner's report be out?
September 17, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
When will people realize that children are a precious gift given by God, or if you don't believe in God then given to each other.Tto love and hold dear. They are not thrown away dolls, when you get tired of them you just toss them aside or abuse them.
September 17, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
Granny sorry to hear about your lost.
I keep asking my mother how did she keep going after my brother die as a baby. And she would say I had another child that I had to live for, and that she also had her family around that helped her out during the hard times.
Like other posters. I would be devastated if I lost one of my children. I would not be able to function for months.
My question is, "How could anyone in the house have gotten up to take the little girl go to school. Hell they all went to bed around 2 am". So did the little girl even make it to school.
September 17, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Dixie_NC (anonymous) says...
I have a simple question and then a statement. Question: Do any of you leaving comments think yourselves to be christians? Statement: Leave the judging up to the Lord, as far as I know none of us can fit His shoes.
Let the proof be that, PROOF. I am not screaming innocence for these people but I am saying, as an American and as a chrisian, leave these people alone. Let them be. Let them be assumed innocent until proven guilty. I know that they partied, I know that they use foul language, I know that they might not be everyones choice for parent of the year. But, I also know that my entire life, Justin has never been anything but nice and caring. Do you know that he took care of his sister's kids sometimes when she wouldn't? Do you know that he would take his little niece to the beach? Do you know that every little kid in his family loves him and loves to be around him? Do you know that his ex has two children who absolutely adored him, (and P.S. are still alive)? And, also just to touch on the MySpace pages: They were probably made private because of all the vultures out there waiting to pick apart anything that is around to be picked. I suppose all of you good christians don't have anything derogatory or something that may be considered shameful by others on there? Oh, and how dare they use foul language. I am sure that none of you ever have. By the way, my MySpace is private too. But please don't contact local authorities, I didn't kill anyone.
I am so sorry for the loss of this precious little boy. I don't know what I would do if I lost a child. I don't think any of us do unless you have been through a tragedy like this.
Why God Takes Children
(By an Unknown Author)
When God calls little children
To dwell with Him above,
We mortals sometimes question
The wisdom of His love.
For no heartache compares with,
The death of one small child,
Who does so much to make our world, Seem so wonderful and mild.
Perhaps God tires of calling
The aged to His fold, So He picks a rosebud Before it can grow old.
God knows how much we need them, And so He takes but few,
To make the land of heaven
More beautiful to view. Believing this is difficult Still somehow we must try,
The saddest word mankind knows
will always be Good-bye. So when a little child departs, We who are left behind Must realize God loves children, Angels are hard to find.
September 17, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
1959 I had another child at the time my daughter. She was 2 at the time. And at that time I was unable to care for her Thank God for her grandparent's aunts and MY sweet hubby who I know was devastated since this was his first born son. How can you function I have no idea. But I can assure you I didn't joke or get drunk or even eat. I was blessed with two more wonderful boys later but they would never replace the one I lost.
We lose our parents, our spouses aunt uncles, etc but nothing in the world can prepare us for the lose of a child
Sorry about the preaching, but when a child dies it hits close to home for me. And as I said if these two are guilty then God helps them
September 17, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Dixie, no disrespect but this is the comment section and that is what we do, comment. This is by no means a sympathy page so if you're looking for some compassion, heart filled words, etc., this isn't where to find it. If the parents are found guilty, may they rot in hell. But with the way they're being portrayed in the media and their behavior before and after, they DO look suspicious. JMO of course.
September 17, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Well I look at it this way...this is a free Country and everyone has the FREEDOM of SPEECH so until that is taken from us, we will all continue to voice our opinions, Christians or not, so you mean to tell me since you are a Christian you have NEVER voiced your opinion on something or someone without knowing ALL the facts...I think NOT EVERYONE is guilty of it in some way...Just because you have a certain belief doesn't make you something, and just because you say something DOES NOT mean you are NOT are Christian or whatever belief you have. I understand where you are coming from and I understand that there are people on their side. That is GOOD because they are going to need you all if this is turns out better than what it is looking to right now.
September 17, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GreenvilleGirl (anonymous) says...
Ditto on most posts today. No comment about the idiotic posts.
I can't understand how people who lose a loved one suddenly or tragically can talk to the press. When it happened to us, we were in shock. We were as cordial as we could be, but told them our family was in mourning and could not comment. The paper/news very nicely stated that our family was in seclusion.
Maybe I'm wrong, but the last thing on my mind was talking to a newspaper reporter and/or giving an interview for television!
Doesn't everyone (less the idiots who post here) think the coroner's office would have normally released the results of the autopsy if this little boy's death was not deemed suspicious?
September 17, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Dixie_NC wrote:
"Let them be assumed innocent until proven guilty."
assumed = a** out of u and me...plus, if God is the sole judge, then why do we judge people in a court?
"But please don't contact local authorities, I didn't kill anyone."
Why did you say that? Feeling guilty about something?
"When God calls little children
To dwell with Him above,
We mortals sometimes question
The wisdom of His love."
This is an absolute crock of shiat! Comparing a human life/soul to a flower in a garden of God!! We're considered flowers to God? Pathetic.
But hey, what ever makes you sleep better at night, right?
September 17, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Posted by Dixie_NC on September 17, 2008
I know that they partied, I know that they use foul language, I know that they might not be everyones choice for parent of the year.
Do you know that he took care of his sister's kids sometimes when she wouldn't?
Why would'nt the sister take care of here own kids
With those statements alone says a very telling picture of this bunch. I am sure things run deeper then that. Sounds like one hell of family circle. It is amazing how the family and friends end up confiming all the suspestions.
September 17, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Dixie_NC (anonymous) says...
Tammie, no disrespect. But , all I believe I was doing was simply commenting too. I didn't call anyone out. But funny, isn't there something to be said about being defensive? Did I hit a nerve?
And I totally agree that if guilty I want the strictest punishment in the land and may the Lord have mercy on their souls.
September 17, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I'm not being defensive and no you did not hit a nerve one bit. I was just trying to be nice to you and let you know that before someone went into your "Christian moment" rant. Can't hurt me sweetheart, I dont know you and once I log off the PnC, you don't exist and I'm quite sure you feel the same about me. So let that be that, k?
September 17, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Believe in God or Not, either way this was NO ACT of God! If this was done by them, it was pure evil...Maybe closer to the Devil's side of the world...or whatever maybe...But the Autopsy was supposed to be told yesterday, and normally they do, but if they are investigating they may be holding the report until they confirm, as they don't want anymore conclusions or whatever in this. They are probably trying to keep it with the FACTS not the OPINIONS...I am sure by this evening (Hopefully) they will release something. I just know that for Now we cannot do anything about what is already done, but we can help what is happening, and maybe concentrate our sadness into happiness and Love for Serena (Blaise's Sister) and just pray to whomever, or whatever that she is taken care of during and after all this.
September 17, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
Damn trash, thats all they do is steal,embezzle, and kill! their welfare checks must have stop coming in so they had no use for the kid anymore. throw these scumbags under the jail! useless sob don't deserve to breathe air anymore.
September 17, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
I think when the comment was made about "taking care of his sister's children when she wouldn't" speaks volumns in itself. Parenting skills are learned.
As a mother, there is no way I would be out drinking at night when I had 2 children at home. One that is going to need to go to school and the other one that we all know will get up as soon as there is any noise in the house. Next, there is NO way I would let any guy speak to my child the way the poster said he talked to him at the pool.
Was the mother already gone at dinner time? The boyfriend said he was falling asleep at dinner. If not, I can't believe that she would leave anyway.
When I left my child with a sitter on a few occassions, I always looked in on her when I got home. She obviously did not.
The eight year old is going to be the key witness in all this. Unfortunately.
September 17, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
96whaler (anonymous) says...
Suggesting that God takes a young child because he grows tired of receiving old folks is straight up bizarre!
September 17, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Leaving a comment on this is just that. Be it this story or lets say the divorce of a well know actor. Either way it is a comment section. even if it is comment section on the weather it gives us a chance to voice our OPINON I am sure there are other talking at work or in the bar or at a restaurants talking and voicing their OPINON on this as well as other stories that come out. It has nothing to do with being the hand of God. And judging it has to do with OPINONS.
we all have our OPINONS on who is running for president as well and thats also is our OPINONS and how we feel about the person running . It is our right to voice these OPINONS.
September 17, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
james, you can find those trash on the east side buying dope all day long, and now they are even tricking-out their wives to the brothers for a hit of that rock!
September 17, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
ok good
September 17, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Hey James how are you dear. Just wanted to say not all us white trash go there. LOL if I get shaitfaced I do it at home closer to my bed. LOL
September 17, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
Dixie,
Just because Justin's family and friends love him and love to be around him doesn't mean he isn't a possible abuser/murderer.
I love ALL of my family and friends and I love to be around them. If something like this happened to one of their toddler children, I wouldn't help but to question what happened and the lies/incredibly ridiculous stories they are suggesting happened to this poor little boy.
Christian or not, we are all entitled to our freedom as speech as AMERICANS.
September 17, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
By the way,
I HAVE gone out to the bars with my girlfriends. I am a mother of a 2 year old. I don't leave her with a drunk though, I leave her with her grandmother for an overnight visit. It's called RESPONSIBILITY. Spell it out kids, R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Wheeew! That's a big 'un!
September 17, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
DoaMM-I don't think investigators would confuse/describe dependent lividity as "covered in blood".But thats just me.(there's a clear difference)This whole story is shady and I think these people are full of shiate!How amazing that they are jumping on the secondary drowning bandwagon?Trying to garner sympathy.
September 17, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Marianne, N-E-G-L-E-C-T is much shorter and easier to spell...let's use that one instead...
...or maybe B-E-A-T, or H-I-T...those are much more easier to done spell than that R-E-S...how'd you done spelled it agin?
September 17, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
coolfreaknbeans, agreed...but to the "layperson" (I hate that word) with no medical knowledge, they usually mistake the fluid for old/dry blood.
It is definitely shady. I can't wait to hear the medical report.
September 17, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
DoaMM...
B-E-E-R is easy to spell too.
I would think that someone relayed to the police official who took the report that it was blood. Afterall, they called 911, which would have immediately sent paramedics WITH medical training. I would think they knew the difference.
September 17, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kal26 (anonymous) says...
Question..........................Were any of you people in that house, when this baby died?? I didn't think so. Quit judging and let law enforcement and the medical examiner do their jobs. The facts will come out.
September 17, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
kal - They usually do...
September 17, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
kal..
As it has been pointed out many times before, this is the COMMENT section of the story, where people (like us) can comment about the story with our own opinions.
IF I was in that house when all of this bologna occurred, you better believe that child would be alive today.
September 17, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
Kal26...Ummm if you haven't read some FACTS have already came out! We are not making this up...if you bothered to read the story at the top of this discussion...Those things were in the POLICE REPORT!
The mom left the baby (Neglect)
She returned intoxicated...
The BOYFRIEND disciplined the baby...He has NO RIGHT to be doing that...its NOT his KID...
The baby was found COLD and STIFF and COVERED IN BLOOD!
These look like FACTS to me!
NUMEROUS people who know them have already stated that they DRINK/PARTY all the time...
September 17, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
can we say C O M M E NT S E C T I O N FOR YOUR OPINION ON THIS STORY
September 17, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Comments
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September 17, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justlivinlife (anonymous) says...
her last login on her myspace was today and her mood is uncomfortable. why in the world would you be worried about logging on to your myspace if the people who are supposed to be the most important in your life are gone. that is absolutely ridiculous! They need to investigate her and the boyfriend first.
September 17, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
armymom (anonymous) says...
ColdBeer said: I have, however, passed judgement on your god... and deemed him not worthy.
I honestly pray you will change your heart before that gets turned the other way around.
CB, God does not control us like puppets; this world is not a play, we are ALL free to do as we will. The evil in the world is a direct result of ungodliness. Things like what you mentioned are being stored up for release on the ungodly. [Rev 6:16,17] Can you imagine ALL the evil things that have been done coming back on the world all at once? That's what the great and terrible Day of the Lord will be like. I'm sorry you don't believe it. Unbelief is actually the most evil thing of all.
I think maybe you're judging God with a hardened heart, in which case you'll never see the Truth. I pray for you, I hope others are praying too. I don't condenscend to you at all, I hope you don't take it that way. I actually respect you, from what I've read. I just felt I had to say something.
September 17, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
I Too believe in GOD and all his miracles. BUT I can also understand CB and his non belief. read this story and others like it, I know he (GOD) has his reason. But sometimes things like this make people turn from GOD. I believe there is a GOD But, I believe in Mother Earth as well. CB has his belief as we all do I will not judge him for what he believes in
September 17, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MeJusMe (anonymous) says...
I too STRONGLY believe in God...I AGREE VERY MUCH with Grannyofseven! AMEN SISTA! :O) Hopefully this will all come to a conclusion, sooner than later at least for little Serena's sake. May God be with her through all this!!
September 17, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
darcycreaturo (anonymous) says...
I believe harm was done to the child, but I just want to say, I have a 2 year old and she has been known to sleep in. Sometimes she will go to bed at 7pm and sleep until 10 or 11. Rarely but she does do it.
September 17, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestongyrlz (anonymous) says...
I know Justin Hillerby and Jen personally. Neither one of them should have children in their custody. to. When his son was born half way through her pregnancy he was drunk that night. And the next and the next. You may as well call him an umemployed drunk. I have known Justin for a very long time and he has always been one to have alcohol and anger issues. He has been to jail for physical abuse and several DUI's. I don't know what happened in that house that night, but I do know that Justin is a pathological liar. Take his words with a grain of salt. Give that sorry a** a polygraph!!! And for the mother I wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of her mouth either. Jennifer, quit sleeping around with every Tom, Dick and Harry! For God's sake Jennifer, you had children who watched everything you did and counted on you for love, support and safety. And you can't even seem to handle that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to raise a child.
September 17, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
charlestongyrlz has merely confirmed what we all have thought and commented about.
Lying, abusing, drunk murderers.
September 17, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
Whether there is a God or not- this is a horrible tragedy that could have been prevented by MAN! So divine intervention may seem like a way to explain this but I am pretty sure if this boy was abused, they were not doing it in the name of God....If someone intentionally hurt that baby then may the Justice system have no mercy on him/her. As a mother, I am saddened for that poor child in Foster care right now..A RELIGIOUS DEBATE IS NOT GOING TO BRING THE CHILD BACK- EVERYONE BELIEVES WHAT THEY BELIEVE...IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE PREACHING TO YOU ABOUT BEING AN ATHIEST, THEN DON'T PREACH TO THEM ABOUT SAVING THEMSELVES...
September 17, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
ColdBeer...
I know you're being proselytized to but take a deep breath.
Innnnnnnn
Owwwwwt
Sorry for being presumptuous but I saw a retort coming.
September 17, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
WOw !!!!!!
September 17, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
CB, sorry for being presumptuous in my comment to you but I too hate when people feel compelled to proselytize.
I know some feel that it is their Christian duty to 'witness' to non-believers but there are times when it is truly inappropriate and simply a waste of time.
I'm sure armymom has good intentions and it wasn't my place to placate you.
sorry.
September 17, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I second that CB
September 17, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I'm a pea in a pod drinker currently...I indulge in momtini's frequently. I'm such a lush. :-)
Seriously though, this precious baby didnt deserve to die.
September 17, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
CB-
I was raised Catholic - schools, catechism, mass on Sunday, etc. But my views on religion tend to be similar to yours. (Much to the dismay of my mother) Then, compound that with what people like to refer to as their "religious" leaders (J. Jackson, Sharpton, Swaggart, etc.) I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs. And I understand believing in a higher being helps people deal with lif's tragedies, but I feel better pulling my strength from within myself and my loved ones.
September 17, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
armymom (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa:
Sorry if I offended you, or anyone else here. When you love God its hard not to say something when someone speaks of him as unworthy, that's all. I really didn't look at it as proselytizing. [I don't even know if I can spell it, much less do it]
But CB is right, this isn't the place. It is very sad what happened to the little boy. And I honestly don't know if the sister is better off now, or worse as I've heard so many DSS horror stories.
CB, I've wanted to say something to you for a long time about your beliefs and I did wish there were another place to do it!
September 17, 2008 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
-- "sex drinkers": those who drink, hoping to get lucky;
-- "ugly drinkers": desire the need to feel pretty;
-- "ugly sex drinkers": those who desire to have sex with an ugly person
September 17, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Jimmy Cornbread and Butter...
Agreed. The parents are getting thrown under the pavement! We only had one bleeding heart (wow, I'm surprised!). I just hope that all of the speculation surrounding the parents does not turn out to be true. But it's not looking good for them!
September 17, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
Well, I guess we'll all find out in another day or two what's going to happen.
September 17, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
armymom: no need to apologize to me. I shouldn't have stuck my nose in anyway.
September 17, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
That was a beautiful little boy! I really don't want to comment about the parents because this does not look good for them and the majority of the post pretty much sums it up for me. I keep staring at that precious picture and it's just upsetting. This is very sad.
September 17, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
yeah, I forgot about those folks, and:
-- "thong drinkers": coral around karaoke bars and continuously grab the mic saying, "Hey! I wanna thing a thong!"
September 17, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
As I said in the beginning we don't know everything. I was treated guilty till proven innocent as well, and was evicted from my home and these two may very well be abusive parents but, one thing is certain one child is dead and hone is in the care of foster parents not to see her mom for a while.
CB I will always respect your opinion on religion you have the right. THIS is one place I feel we don't have the right to judge JMO
September 17, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
Karaoke is FUN!!!!
Anyway,
The little boy was absolutely beautiful, as every child is in my eyes. I just don't understand what the point of carrying a child for 9 months, going through labor and delivery, to just throw that little miracle away!
My child is a precious gift and I suppose I'll never understand why parents kill/abuse/neglect their children. I feel bad when I have to put her in time out or if I say no to the candy while in the checkout line!
*sighh*
Whenever I see a story like this I just wonder why the parent/s didn't give the child/ren up to adoption if they are such a nuisance to them!!! People like me would take hundreds of unwanted children if I had the money and the resources.
September 17, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Ch 5 says boy friend arrested 4:00 news
September 17, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SummervilleResident (anonymous) says...
Justin Hillerby has been charged.He failed the polygraph and confessed.
September 17, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Only time I am in a bar is when I play darts on our league
E most of the time its in clubs like moose lodge or am vets American legion my bar days of drinking are over I will have a drink once in a blue moon.
Now that being said when I was younger and my children were small their grandparents would keep them overnight I knew then I would be in any shape to keep my children safe. Kids now just drop their kids anywhere just to have a good time Mom Was out drinking WHY????
September 17, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
This is terribly sad. What a sweet little boy. If either of them had something to do with it directly, they need to lose their lives too. :( Poor little fella.
September 17, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
choochood (anonymous) says...
So what about sweet little Justin now - bet the family really is proud of him. I hope he rots in HE**.
September 17, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
ok he did it now hang him by his sperm bags
September 17, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
You serious S'ville???
September 17, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
This was posted on WCBDs website:
Published: September 17, 2008
The Summerville Police Department is investigating the death of a two year old boy. According to the police report, a call came in that a two-year-old toddler was in his crib covered in blood, cold and stiff.
When police arrived at the house on Dovetail Circle, the toddler's mother, Jennifer Spoerl, was outside hysterically crying. The mother's boyfriend, Justin Hillerby, was also at the scene. Hillbery told police that the toddler might have fallen at the pool earlier in the day and that boy had a bruise on the left side of his face. Hillerby went on to say that as he was feeding the toddler dinner, the boy was falling asleep in the highchair so he put him to bed.
The couple lived with two roommates: Eric Riggins and Brandi Mihil. Mihil told police that when she and Riggins returned home from dinner the baby was in the living room crying. Mihil said that Hillerby told her the baby had knocked over this beer and that he had put the little boy in the corner.
Mihil said the boy's mother returned home at 1:40 in the morning and had been drinking. Everyone went to bed. At 10:45 yesterday morning, Spoerl checked on her baby, began yelling, waking her roommates. Mihil said that's when they saw the baby in his crib.
Berkeley County DSS took the little boy's sister into Emergency Protective custody.
The boyfriend, Justin Hillerby, is listed as a suspect in the police report. The investigation is ongoing.
September 17, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
I wish I could say I was shocked!!!
Now I just want to know what time he did it, how he did it, why he did it, why he lied and why he wasted my tax money on an investigation that went nowhere.
Poor baby :(
It really makes me want to cry
So go on DixieNC,
How much do you love this baby murderer now?!?!
September 17, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
Ohhhhhhh, he looks disgusting. How in the hell could someone be such a P***Y and hurt a child! Let him go, dont keep him in jail .. someone will take care of his a** the right way!
September 17, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
DixieNC ~ Now what in the hell do you think of your precious fun loving Justin? HE KILLED A CHILD! A HELPLESS CHILD and for what? Spilling his damn beer??? He is pathetic and doesnt deserve the oxygen he breathes!
September 17, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Yep everyone, S'ville is right...
http://www.counton2.com/cbd/news/loca...
Um..Dixie, oh dear bleeding heart...NOW my nerves have been touched! I hope your friend rots in the furthest depth of hell!
September 17, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
"Arrest Made In Child Death Case
Posted: Sep 17, 2008 04:07 PM
Updated: Sep 17, 2008 04:07 PM
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SUMMERVILLE, SC (WCSC) - The Summerville Police have arrested Justin Hillerby in connection with the death of a 22-month-old boy.
Justin Hillerby is being charged with one count of homicide by child abuse. Investigators say that Hillerby is the boyfriend of the child's mother.
According to the police report the baby was found Monday in his crib, covered in blood. The boy's sister has been taken into protective custody.
Hillerby is scheduled to go through bond court Thursday morning."
September 17, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jca (anonymous) says...
SUMMERVILLE, SC (WCSC) - The Summerville Police have arrested Justin Hillerby in connection with the death of a 22-month-old boy.
Justin Hillerby is being charged with one count of homicide by child abuse. Investigators say that Hillerby is the boyfriend of the child's mother.
According to the police report the baby was found Monday in his crib, covered in blood. The boy's sister has been taken into protective custody.
Hillerby is scheduled to go through bond court Thursday morning.
this just in guys
September 17, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
This truly makes me sick to my stomach. It hurts me deeply to hear of a child being hurt let alone killed. I just dont get it. :(
September 17, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
This truly makes me sick to my stomach. It hurts me deeply to hear of a child being hurt let alone killed. I just dont get it. :(
September 17, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...
Now I hope that worthless mother sees what she did to her child...
She knew what kind of a person he was.. he had been previously arrested for domestic abuse and was obviously a drunk.
Now because she wanted to go get drunk on a Sunday night when her kids were at home with this LOSER, one of the babies are dead.
September 17, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
no I am not flip floping on this I did say if guilty . he confessed so hang him by his BA**S
September 17, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Sorry i just got an email saying i keep flip floping to make up my mind
September 17, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
I know Im going nuts w/ these posts but it just really really gets to me.
She is just as much of a loser as he is. I pray that she doesnt get her other child back. Who knows who she will pick to be with next time. Very bad or selfish judge of character on her part.
September 17, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
Maybe this is the slap in the face his mother needs so she can get her life together. DSS needs to make sure the mother gets her life turned around before they give her back the older child.
She should also be required to take the parenting classes that the county offers. Alcohol and drug counseling seems to be in order, too. Also, if she doesn't have a high school diploma, to get her GED. She shouldn't be able to walk away from this. She is the one ultimately responsible for the boy's welfare.
September 17, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
CCGirl, no need to apologize. Think of all of the men and women that read the paper and who aren't able to have kids, and they read about someone who had a beautiful child and killed him. This is truly disgusting and Master Johnson and Willie Stroker may not let him live long. Think of all the inmates who have kids and can't see them...
September 17, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I gotta agree with you though Creamcorn...they need to implement a damn test to prove mental capacity to have a kids.
September 17, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Just got home from the afternoon school pick up & off to a
xcountry race, but I'll take time to quickly shove my nose in, a little late, on the God thing.
I like what Mejusme said...Believe in God or not, this was no act of God.
Many of us who do believe also, along the way, have struggled with reconciling/understanding all the pain & suffering in this world with a good & all powerful God.
And that's all I'll say about that at this point.
September 17, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
I didn't want to say this before, but I have also met this girl. In 2005, the business that I work at had a Christmas party and one of the employees brought her. We had an open bar, and halfway through dinner she was loud, obnoxious, wanted to fight, and had the most vulgar language I had ever heard come from a lady's mouth. Her date had to leave with her as soon as the dinner was over. At that point she had to have a 5 yr. old. I know she wasn't going to be in any shape to care for a child the next morning.
September 17, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
luvmydogs59 (anonymous) says...
Wow...the boyfriend did it...what a surprise! *dripping sarcasm*
I hope the mother is also charged with at least neglect.
So, so sad. May this beautiful little angel rest in peace.
September 17, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Sorry..I meant have kids...
September 17, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
What is his My Space mood now?.. Where are his defenders? I did not want to comment on this earlier, but I wish some that come here would keep their religionist convictions to their selves. My beliefs are no one business I do not care to hear about yours. Please quit using this medium trying to save someone else's sole or try to promote a belief and push it at others. I find it insulting. Especially when some comments like this is "Gods will" or "God" took him. I would have to say someone insane to think that way. I am with ColdBeer all the way on this. The bottom line is this SOB killed this baby over spilled beer. Everyone that seemed to know him for seen something such as this happening. You see these types all around, public places and such; don't know how to properly talk in a public place with foul obscene rants and bragging about their exploits....
September 17, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
Jeff ~ I understand where you are coming from and I am one who believes in God. To each his own in that department and I do not judge, but it bugs me that you would find someone elses or my beliefs insulting. You know me and Im pretty open to what many say. Just goes both ways.
What is even more insulting is for someone to be able to do something to this innocent child.
September 17, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I find it insulting that someone would think something like this would be "Gods Will"
September 17, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
I agree. I do not believe that this is God's will. God would not want a child to suffer the way this poor child did.
I am sorry for the misinterpretation of what you said.
September 17, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I find it insulting they try to save others in this medium instead of focusing on a child being killed by a drunk because his beer was spilled. I find it insulting that friends of the POS come and try to argure what a loving person this irresponsible drunk this dirt was. I feel what MejustMe is saying because too many times people have to put up with pigs like these at the pool and such and nothing much can be done with them. This sorry ass killed a baby and it is insulting that this is the only way to rid oue selves of POS like this,.
September 17, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Commenting on ones belief in God is no different than some commenting on their belief in the death penalty, premarital sex, teenage pregnancy, illegal aliens, political affilitations and views, racist views, et al. It is all the same. You may not believe in God as I do and I may not believe in the death penalty as you do but it is our right to post and comment in any way we like. IMHO!
September 17, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Maybe I being misunderstood. I took offense at the lady that felt the need to call Cold Beer out on his lack of belief and felt compelled to say something to him for quit some time and about it coming back around on him....I found that insulting and out of line.
September 17, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Oh, okay. Maybe we all have a bit of misinterpretation going on today. :-)!
September 17, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
As I posted on the story last night, this is a horrible tragedy and I hope the responsible (or should I say irresponsible as seems to be the case) parties are punished to the fullest extent.
May God have mercy on them, because I know I do not.
September 17, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KLC741 (anonymous) says...
I'm the one who posted on Topix earlier about being subjected to these people at our subdivision pool. The toddler wanted to swim, the adults were lounging in their chairs, basically ignoring him while they socialized with each other (loud, obnoxious, f-word every other sentence). The boy started crying for attention or was just plain cranky - mom ignored him, Justin kept calling him a crybaby and a p*ssy (which the mother also ignored). At one point, the toddler tried to get past Justin in order to get the pool, still crying. Justin held out his arm, the child ran into it, fell on his butt, and started crying harder. Justin's response? "Now you've got something to cry about, you little p*ssy."
Mom (and the roommates) just sat there and did nothing. I hope he rots in jail til the end of his days.
September 17, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
KLC741,
I would have hauled off and knocked the living sh*t out of that lowlife slime....no I take that back because I am pregnant I would not have gotten violent with him. But he would have heard a few choice words from me....after I sent my own children away, of course. Now I hope his p*ssy azz rots in jail while someone knocks him IN his butt everyday.
September 17, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Posted by KLC741 on September 17, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's what I am talking about.. some of us witness this kind of stuff all the time at a "pool" or even at a public "Pub" and have to see and hear this kind of crap from these pigs and we are almost powerless to do anything about it,, what are you going to do call the cops because a drunk called a kid a pussy??? Turst me they would laugh at you... I seen this kind of stuff all the time and would call DDS... they are unresponsive....If you walked over and kicked the sh!t out this guy,,, you would be in jail and these POS would be laughing at you.....I really hope this POS gets his....OK.... Lets here from the Family and Friends and tell us what good parents and people these POS were... come on....Please tell us what a loving ass_hole this and the babymaker were
September 17, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KLC741 (anonymous) says...
Lovely_One,
I was more p*ssed off at the mother than I was at him. This guy is just a punk. It infuriates me that women will allow these lowlife, worthless scum to treat their children that way. Anything to keep a man. Even a complete scumbag like that one. She just freaking sat there and let him treat her child like that. So did the worthless roommates.
What a bunch of selfish, selfish, disgusting people.
September 17, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KLC741 (anonymous) says...
You're right, Jeff61. The police and DSS would have just hung up on me. And no way was I going to take them on - not only were there 4 of them, they were all pretty aggressive. I also had my child with me and the child of a neighbor. Confronting them would only have put me and the two children with me at risk from these lowlifes.
I drive by their house every morning when I take my daughter to school. I'm just sick about this.
September 17, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
What makes you think she is any better then he is if not worst...I bet he was pissed off she was out drinking half the night and he took it on this poor baby...those sick bastards do that kind of stuff....you can cookie cut these sorry ass people...Stero Type...yea your damm right... they all fight a pattern....to the one that put a gun to his friends arm and killed him to these POS... they all travel in the same circles and all fit the same mold
September 17, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Trust me KLC... I have seen and come across these type of POS too many times... you always hope they get what's coming to them but unfortunately this poor baby lost his life....the outcome should be reversed...You only put yourself and your family endanger confronting these POS... And you get no support from LEO with it..."What you want us to do, lock him up for bad language?" Plus there is no support from apartment or other neighborhood associations to put take action against POS like this:.The only hope is to stoop to their level and resort to some kind of low life responses to send POS like this a message:and to the families of these POS:Well the P&C would boot me if I said what I wanted tooo
September 17, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KLC741 (anonymous) says...
In my opinion, she IS worse than him. It was HER job to protect that child from scum like her boyfriend. Instead she lets the drunk bully move in with her and looks the other way when he calls her child a crybaby and a p*ssy, then ultimately kills him.
There is no excuse whatsoever for putting a boyfriend (or girlfriend) before your children. This skank should be charged as well, and hopefully will be.
September 17, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Sadly we see it too many times... turst me I had,, I said had a friend that did this and called her out on it.. the kid decided to go live his father and she is still hanging with the same POS that caused him to want to leave to begin with... I simply don't understand it... and at this point don't bother...Not worth the time....There is a whole generation that needs to be written off as a bad debt... not all mind you but the bad debt know who they are
September 17, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
armymom (anonymous) says...
jeff61:
Hello. I just read your posts about me. I'm always curious why ppl will tolerate talk about any and every thing except God! I was not "judging" CB and I hope he sees that. I know someone may have, but I didn't say anything about this incident being God's will. CB said that he found God unworthy, I don't feel out of line for commenting on that and I def haven't been using this board to "push my beliefs" on anyone.
I'm sorry jess61 that you're so offended by something so eternally important! But, by looking at the shape of the mainstream church these days, one could hardly blame you.
I would say more, but I wish sharing seen as pushing.
September 17, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
KLC ~ That incident at the pool burns my blood. Talking that way to a child and the dumb mother leaves her child alone w/ someone like that so that she can get drunk? What a loser ... They both are. I seriously hope that she gets what she has coming to her. I pray that Scarlett whatshername isnt the prosecutor on this one ... They may never stay in jail if so.
September 17, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
KLC,
You are sooooo right about the female (I refuse to call her a mother or a woman because in my book she is neither). FOr her to sit back and allow a POS male speak to her child like that is deplorable at best. She needs her drunk azz beat for that crap alone.
September 17, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Posted by proletariat on September 17, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is the direct result of 35 years of legal child murder, better known as "pro-choice" or abortion.
Human life has no value to most of the current generation of young adults. They are self-serving, narcissistic, and damn to hell anyone or anything that gets in the way of their "good" times.
This animal, (Justin Hillerby), most likly has more respect for a dog then a innocent child.
Hedonistic, secular humanism and "no-fear" behavior and mentality, have brought us these child killers. From "parents" that don't know where their 9 year old son is at 1000 pm until he is hit by a car and killed, to the "mommy" of the kids left to cook to death in her car.
Not going there with the Pro Choice or Pro Life debate but I am with you
September 17, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Wow, I just got a chance to catch up on this article.
I am enraged beyond words.
This is one of those times that I truly wish that vigilante justice was legal.
I would love to see this scumbiotic torn apart like the monster that he is.
September 17, 2008 at 9 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Having dealt with the family court system, I can vouch for the fact that family court/DSS will NOT step in unless a child is put in the hospital.
September 17, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer007 (anonymous) says...
This is horrible . If they did it , I hope they get they get the death penalty . they don't deserve anything less
September 17, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JDV (anonymous) says...
No, this child didnt just "pass away", he was being beaten to death by his mother's darling boyfriend while she was out getting drunk!! and the very next day she's online posting defensive comments, instead of in a mental ward being sedated like most parents would be. That should have told who's ~~~ she was already trying to cover for right there!! As usual a POS "mother" + POS boyfriend = another dead baby. I pray to God they throw the book at her for enabling this child's murder along with the SOB that killed this child. She obviously was too busy partying to notice this guy was abusing her baby. She can party all she want to now, one child is in the cemetary & the other is with DSS. Party on Garth!! And for those who don't like what I'm saying thats just TOO D*** BAD! I'm with Nancy Grace on this child abuse BS, PROSECUTE THEM TO THE MAXIMUM DEGREE!! Society has HAD ENOUGH of Child Killers!!!
September 18, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JDV (anonymous) says...
ATT SOUTH CAROLINA!! -- the following is a sentence delivered in Bristow,Oklahoma in the murder of 2 yr old Kelsey Briggs, Kelsey' mother, Raye Dawn Smith was charged & convicted for enabling the murder of Kelsey because she ignored what her husband, Michael Lee Porter, was doing to Kelsey. Kelsey's step father, recieved a prison term of 30 yrs. ENABLING A PERSON TO KILL A CHILD IS A CRIME!! Enabling can be something as simple as refusing to acknowledge the abuse to protecting the abuser. The following is Raye Dawn Smith's sentence : excerpt taken from NEWSOK.com :
[[Jurors in July found Smith guilty of allowing her then-second husband to abuse Kelsey. They chose the punishment of 27 years.
The judge then ordered Raye Dawn Smith to serve 27 years in prison for enabling child abuse.
The sentencing lasted only four minutes.]]
--How long before South Carolina makes this kind of progress in our Justice System? I pray the time has come-- ~ R I P baby Blaise ~
September 18, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JDV (anonymous) says...
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: ~dizzyanne~
Date: Sep 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Bail denied in toddler's death
By Noah Haglund
The Post and Courier
Thursday, September 18, 2008
SUMMERVILLE A live-in-boyfriend is accused of kneeing his girlfriend's 22-month-old son in the head, then throwing him on the ground the day before the child died, an investigator's affidavit says.
Grace Beahm
The Post and Courier
Justin Hillerby, 27, is escorted by police officers Thursday into a bail hearing at Summerville Municipal Court. Judge denied bail for Hillerby.
Justin Hillerby, 27, is charged with homicide by child abuse in the death of Blaise Spoerl. The child's mother woke up Monday to find her son in his crib, covered in blood and lifeless.
Hillerby appeared in Summerville's municipal court today, where a judge denied his bail. The suspect said little, but did have one question for Chief Municipal Judge Tom Finucan.
"I would like to know if I could go to the funeral on Saturday," he asked.
"No, sir," the judge replied, "I don't think you'll be bonded by then.
"
The hearing began around 10:40 a.m. and lasted a little over 5 minutes. The toddler's mother attended, but sat quietly and showed no emotion.
The proceeding was largely a formality because a circuit judge must set bail on any charge carrying a possible life sentence. At the outset, the judge informed Hillerby that homicide by child abuse carries a prison term of 20 years to life.
The charging documents detail actions that Hillerby reportedly told police about when they questioned him on Monday:
He described striking the child in the head with his knee and throwing him onto the floor headfirst. When the youngster got on his feet, he wobbled to a seat looking like a "zombie.
"
Later, while sitting in a high chair, the child had trouble holding his head up. It was swaying back and forth, as if he had no muscle control.
When Hillerby carried the child from the chair to his room, he struck his head against the bedroom door frame and left the left front of the victim's head against the crib. The child wouldn't open his eyes while Hillerby was carrying him.
Afterward, Hillerby didn't seek medical attention for the child or check on him for about 12 hours, the affidavit says.
Police said their investigation continues.
September 18, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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