Man killed during party; charges filed

summerville_guy (anonymous) says...

He thought the gun was unloaded.

That's what the moron gets for thinking.

September 8, 2008 at 1:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

Playing with a handgun? Then you shouldn't own a and gun! Moron... Always a good mix alcohol, partes and guns with idiots attached to them!

September 8, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tmh32 (anonymous) says...

God bless richard's family and friends and may he rest in peace.
As for Josh. Now he has to live with the guilt and knowledge that he killed another person through his own stupidity. You 'thought it was unloaded'? Never think anything about a weapon. You have to check to make sure you KNOW! I'm a proud owner myself and think there should be a mandatory safety course taken by an individual and or a compatence test for those who have been trained since childhood or have been in the military. Gotta be tested to drive a car.
This is just going to give the bleeding heart anti-gun freaks something else to cry about.

September 8, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...

Unfortunately, most youth receive handgun training/education from hollywood. It's time for mandatory firearms education in our public schools.

September 8, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

halfsheli (anonymous) says...

"there should be a mandatory safety course taken by an individual"

If that individual owns a gun. Yes. There should be a required saftey course. People can't operate a vehicle (potentially deadly) without first passing a rules and saftey test as well as a road test.

I personally am scared to death of guns and don't care to own one, but I do belive that people should have the right to them. I also believe in strict background checks and safety courses.

Anyway, what jackass brings out his loaded handgun during a party at 5am? And then lets others handle it? Anyone at a party at 5am is likely drunk or has at least been drinking.

September 8, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

newto843 (anonymous) says...

I disagree with involuntary manslaughter. I think an accident has to be proven here. How easy is it to say it was an accident? Even then pointing a gun at someone and then pulling the trigger? Who cares what you thought about the weapon being loaded, this was first or second degree assault the moment you pointed that that gun at him and possibly murder. If not murder reckless endangerment, assault, manslaughter and a host of other things.

September 8, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tc (anonymous) says...

How do you know he pointed the gun at anyone? For all we know the victim could have been in another room. Let the facts come out before you start screaming for murder charges.

September 8, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...

Newto843

How do you prove intent?

September 8, 2008 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

newto843 (anonymous) says...

True tc, I guess I visualized a certain scenario of someone playing around and pointing the weapon then pulling the trigger. I had a good friend die this way when I was younger and believe stupidity to this extent should have a higher penalty but I do not know the exact situation here.

September 8, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

donny (anonymous) says...

"reckless endangerment" essentially equals involuntary manslaughter.

September 8, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

I smell a cover-up ... Anyone curious as to why the police were called to the residence at 4:45, yet the shooting didn't occur until shortly before 5?? Is this another case of NCPD being quick on the trigger and "pointing" the blame elsewhere?? Or did someone in the residence know the shooting was going to happen and had already called the police??? Timing sure seems suspicious.

September 8, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

katsplay (anonymous) says...

WhoCares: The police responded at 4:45 a.m. This time is recorded on their call log (911 or dispatch). However, the exact time of the shooting is not known. They simply have determined it to be after 4:30 and before 5 a.m.

September 8, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

armymom (anonymous) says...

It says he was pronounced dead at 5:02. Maybe he wasn't quite dead when the cops got there?

September 8, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...

He guess he never heard the line "if you play with fire, you might get burned!"

September 8, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lotsonmymind (anonymous) says...

Whocares- ARe you serious? That is just one stupid comment you posted. Times seems incorrect ok, but Its on the 911 tapes. Only the Dispatchers have the correct times on when the call came in and so on. Please make educated comments

September 8, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

smalltowngirl (anonymous) says...

Did it ever occur to any of you, that these 2 were best friends? Or that maybe it was accidental? Yes, I agree--they should not have been "playing" with guns, but boys will be boys, and things will happen. I dont think that he should have to suffer with this for the rest of his life, its already bad enough that he's gonna have to life with the guilt of killing his best friend. If Rally were alive, he wouldnt want him to go to jail. Yes, maybe they shouldnt have been drinking or partying..but that is the world today--Yes, he will have to suffer the consiquences, but are any of you even considering that it was accidental, and it could happen to anyone, or it could have even been the other way around. He would have never wished that on his best friend...

My prayers are with Rally's family and friends, also with Josh's b/c I know this is even harder for him than anyone..

September 8, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bagballa (anonymous) says...

Gotta practice that muzzle awareness ay?

September 8, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ashley0908 (anonymous) says...

smalltowngirl I agree with you 100%. Josh and Rally were close friends and Josh would not have intentionally done this to Rally. They aren't some drug running theifs like most people you hear about in the paper being shot. Also, no matter how safe you are with a gun, it happens and it could happen to anyone. Most people that write on here have nothing else to do but dwell on other people's problems becuase they are too scared to face their own.. They always want to put the blame on someone and think the worst of everyone, but sometimes an accident is an accident.

My thoughts and prayers are with Rally's family and friends.
Also, I hope Josh doesn't pay too big a price for an accident that has already scarred him for life.

September 8, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...

smalltowngirl

Pity and tears won't bring the victim back from the grave. This was an extremely stupid accident and the accused must be made an example of. For most of our youth, this is the only message they may receive (that guns are not toys, and one must me responsible for and accept the consequences for their stupidity).

A gun is ALWAYS LOADED until proven otherwise.

September 8, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...

ashley0908

All accidents are preventable, especially ones involving firearms. The old argument "accidents will happen" doesn't hold water.

September 8, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

To say this could happen to anyone I must disagee with. I also diagree with "these things do happen no matter how safe you are". Guns do not go off on thier own. The bullet can only hit someone if the gun was pointed at someone. I see some are trying to make some kind of excusses for this. If 'boys will be boys" then maybe he was too inmature to have a gun to begin with. I am sure he did not intend to show his friend but what possible reason was there to have this gun out to begin with? How many times has the excuss, "I didn't think it was loaded" been used in cases like this.

September 8, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

hehe ,... "I didn't know it was loaded" was exactly what I told my mom when I got pregnant!!

September 8, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MissPriss (anonymous) says...

WhoCares- you're an idiot.

September 8, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

"Boys will be boys" Are you fn kidding me?A "boy" should not have/handle a gun-a man should.Boys will be boys...as if one of these guys is charged with nose picking?And I'd venture to say the mother of the victim would be suffering way more than the guy who shot him.The way the world is today...concerning drinking and playing with guns?No sweetie,only morons do that-not "the world".This is a tragic,yet HIGHLY preventable accident.

September 8, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

Why yes, I am MissPriss ... but obviously you've heard the expression "It Takes One to Know One" :))

September 8, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

You should also remember ...My Dear MissPriss... that when you point a finger at someone there are three pointing back at you... and I'm not counting your thumb :)

September 8, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MissPriss (anonymous) says...

He lost his mother about three weeks ago.

I knew Rally and I knew Josh. I was really close with both of them. So damn close that I had just left about 15 minutes before it happened. They were sitting on the driveway beside each other laughing and joking like the BEST FRIENDS that they were. I want everyone to know that accidents happen everyday. This was a bad one. I am so shocked at the loss of my friend I can't even function right. So please put away all your conspiracy theories and just realize that Josh will have to wake up every morning and deal with the fact that he shot his best friend. That's pretty damn bad.

So sit around and joke about being knocked up by a loaded gun if you want WhoCares..pick a fight over the internet if you want, just realize there are more important things out there.

So for the record my dear WhoCares, when it comes to the whole finger pointing comment you posted just know that I only have one for you. :)

Have a nice day!

September 8, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Satanssybil2007 (anonymous) says...

Um a single shot to the shoulder killed this dude? My condolences to the family.

September 8, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

MissPriss-I am sorry for your loss of a friend.How terrible that he had just lost his mother.(How did she pass?)I have no crazy theory as to what happened.Someimes things are as simple as they seem.But when you have people posting such ignorance as "boys will be boys" people are gonna speak their mind in response.

September 8, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

LOL ... it wasn't a loaded "gun" that got me pregnant... But I still love you MissPriss ...you're the kewlest :)))

Too bad for the little white boys... if it had been a couple of brothas no one here would care, eh?

September 8, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

southerngirl45 (anonymous) says...

"Boys will be boys"~Sorry but these were not "boys",they were GROWN men and should have known better than to be playing with guns especially at a drunken party.Who knows what really happened? Drugs and alcohol don't mix.Remember the young Marine that just recently killed his 'best friend".They too were drunk.If your'e going to party,leave the guns in the closet!Some may not agree with me but I think given the situation the one who brought the gun out in the first place is at fault.With that said I would like to offer my sincere condolences to the victims family.

September 8, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

People...STOP!!!! stop the unnecessay nasty remarks. The families of both these boys are going through enough, without reading these nasty comments. The boys were BEST friends for years. Yes, it was an accident. Yes, they should not have been messing around with a gun. But NOTHING anyone says will bring him back. Josh already has a ife sentence of living with this for the rest of his life. It is terrible this has become a life lesson to so many young people.Maybe just maybe it will teach them guns and parties dont mix. REGARDLESS...it was not a cover up, but a TERRIBLE accident. Instead of nasty remarks. Pray for both families.

September 8, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Mary we have posted this before and please don't take offense.This is not a memorial site or one for condolences alone.This is a message board where people discuss their differing views on the article.I would advise against any family reading any of this.This site is like....(go ahead jeff61 and finish for me)

September 8, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mcitybabe08 (anonymous) says...

I completely agree with misspriss... I was also friends with both josh & rally... i love them both to death. Rally was by far one of the easiest people to talk to. Josh is the kind of person who can always make you laugh or cheer you up when your having a bad day... it kills me to think we have pretty much lost 2 great people because i know josh will never be the same. to sit here and assume things and jump to conclusions about the situation or even the people you know nothing about really shows your ignorance. i dont know who yall think you are! people are hurting and you want to make it worse. i would never wish this pain for anyone. i think that it wouldnt hurt anyone on here to think a little bit longer before you post things.

I know you want to place blame on Josh, but everyone I know that accuatly knows them the slightest bit isnt doing anything but blaming themselves. the truth is it was a ACCIDENT & it is terrible. Josh & Rally had been bestfriends for ever & he would never do anything to hurt him!! dont you think Josh is taking this harder than you could ever imagine he will wake up every day regreting this.

I am not on here to pick a fight or argue i just want you to see the situation for what it is. it happened & it is horrible & peole are hurting.... please respect that!

September 8, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

coolfeaknbeans, I am not taking offense. I was not making a memorial site. I was stating my opinion. I think it is unnecessary for nasty comments, when the people making comments are not aware of the whole situation, and make a knee-jerk statement. No one is going to ask the families/friends to read this...but they will and have. No need to ask someone to finish for you. This is a public site and people responding should use some type of courtesy and consideration when posting. all I am going to say.

September 8, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

Coolbean, I beat that drum so many after I first seen Coldbeer post I am worn out reposting it. I am not sure what people think they will find here. It is a newpaper comment section, not the condolence page. They have a nice Obit guest book that family and friends can read, make comments and feel good about people the knew. Maybe if Josh used a little more commnon sense then to play with a gun after drinking,,which has been comifrmed by several,, this would not have happened and we would not be having this disscussion.

September 8, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

southerngirl45 (anonymous) says...

Mcitybabe~I think what posters are trying to point out is "IF" you are going to drink and/or do drugs be prepared to suffer the conciquences because they clearly cause problems.I enjoy having a drink with a friend sometimes but I am responcible enough to know when to quit(which is usually after one drink)When your'e drunk you don't think clearly,simple fact.Yes it was a terrible tragedy but don't try and SUGARCOAT it!And as coolfreakenbeans said this is a comment section and we are allowed our oppinions and comments.All night party,drunk,maybe drugs,gun~get the picture?

September 8, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cdu06 (anonymous) says...

WhoCares... you are ignorant!! I have come to the conclusion that you have nothing better to do then read this horrible article and post your two cents... I came to read this because I love Rally and Josh both...and I see this which only upsets all of their friends more...Figures the ignorant one would bring the color of their skin into this. It is not a laughing matter and you sit here and post "LOL". Let those who have never sinned cast the first stone... would you be casting WhoCares!!?! Who are you to judge?! There is only one true judge and thats God...God wanted Rally with him and we have no control over that; Although we are unsure why it happened this way and why it had to involve Josh in such a tragic manor. Just be considerate as if it were your own friend, son, or brother.

To all saying it wasn't an accident...It happens to...Things happen to good people.

Rest in Peace Rally...
We Miss You...

Josh- We love you and are here for you also.

September 8, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

GreenvilleGirl (anonymous) says...

This is such a sad, tragic story. My heart goes out to both families. Deadly weapons and alcohol just don't mix. From the posts we've seen, it sounds like the article is accurate. I can't imagine anything much worse than accidentally killing someone, especially someone who was a friend.

My sympathy to both families and all friends of these two men.

September 8, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

I am sickened by how many young lives have been lost due to abuse of alcohol. Yes, I know a gun was the actual instrument of death here, but the gun was not the culprit.
People will never learn that drinking kills in so many ways. I'm not talking about drinking in general, but getting drunk and being careless.
If you are going to have a party with alcohol, don't have guns around and don't drive.
This young man will suffer for the rest of his life because of this. The law could never do more to him than what he will do to himself.

September 8, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

You are right Jeff61, I wish there was not a discussion about this. BUT.....accidents happen..some fatal some not..we cannot undo time..so for anyone to judge??? I am sure ALL of the people on discussion board has done something stupid, maybe the results were not this bad. Has anyone lacked common sense after having a drink and drove? Didnt get in a wreck, didnt get hurt, kill someone? well...you were lucky...never did anything stupid and careless? then judge!

September 8, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cdu06 (anonymous) says...

The comment above goes for coolfreaknbeans, jeff61 and coldbeer. It is very hard not to stoop to the level all of ya'll have when you are talking about OUR friends and family here...but I wont. Josh is dealing with the loss of his best friend too... Go beat on someone else's obituary.

September 8, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

If Rally and Josh were the freakin saints they're being made out to be, why weren't they up getting ready for sunrise church service instead of wrapping up (??) an all-night party? Let's be honest and call a spade a spade... We don't have to be aware of "the whole situation" to infer that booze and/or drugs were fueling this party... So is anyone really surprised at the results??

September 8, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

newto843 (anonymous) says...

cdu06 I think the point they were making is that this is NOT an obituary but my condolences to friends and family none the less.

September 8, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MissPriss (anonymous) says...

Lets be honest and call a racist a racist while we are at it....whocares

September 8, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

And I hate to tell you cdu06, but there ain't no god... if you believe there is, then you have my sympathy. Sorry you don't agree with my opinions, but if you don't want to hear the truth, you shouldn't be reading the P&C website. Or would you be implying not everyone here is honest and trustworthy??? If so, no problem my dear, you have a right to your opinion!

September 8, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cdu06 (anonymous) says...

YOU DONT KNOW RALLY OR JOSH SO YOU DONT SIT HERE AND JUDGE, OK...
ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE THIS HARDER ON US?! MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO DEAL WITH SOME FAMILY PROBLEMS LIKE GETTING KNOCKED UP ... SINCE YOU HAD TO TELL YOUR MOM IT WAS AN ACCIDENT YOU MUST HAVE SINNED AND HAVE SLEPT WITH SOMEONE BEFORE MARRIAGE. I DONT KNOW YOUR SITUATION AND YOU DONT KNOW THEIRS OR MINE. YOU ONLY READ SOMETHING IN THE PAPER AND PUT YOUR TWO CENTS IN... SEEMS THAT YOU'RE ONLY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE FIRED UP.
WELL LIKE MISSPRISS SAID IM NOT POINTING FINGERS AT YOU... JUST HOLDING THE SAME ONE SHE IS TO YOU.

September 8, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mcitybabe08 (anonymous) says...

I love how people keep preaching that this is a website for their own opinions, but when someone is using thier opinion to defend someone it is no longer an opinion but a comment for a memorial site... well that is ridiculous! but considering that i actually know what happened other than just a paragraph out of a newspaper i would consider it having an educated OPINION... you people need to find something else to do with your time than to hurt the people that are already hurting! in my "educated opinion" i think that the ones who know Josh & Rally have more to say about the situation then you could so shooting them down & saying they should stick to the obit is just rude! & maybe they are just trying to tell you all the facts so you too could maybe understand a little bit better & have a more accurate opinion.

September 8, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

southerngirl45 (anonymous) says...

cdu06~keep making excuses,but the fact is Josh was the one who pulled the triger and with all the comments made here about alcohol not once have you said Josh was not drunk.RTC said "People will never learn that drinking kills in so many ways"How true! and I personally know that it kills a family,maybe not in death but kills it nevertheless.I don't know if either of these young men had a "problem",but maybe somehow this will be a wakeup call and maybe it will be the last drink Josh will take.With that said,once again let me say I am sorry for everyone concerned.These are my closing thoughts!

September 8, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

halfsheli (anonymous) says...

"is very hard not to stoop to the level all of ya'll have when you are talking about OUR friends and family here"

To the friends of these people:

This may be a hard discussion board for family and friends; I would suggest that you not read any further. While some on here have been insensitive to the fact that a young man is dead, most have simply taken a pragmatic stance on the situation.

I doubt that anyone is glad that someone died. But this is not a sugar-coated medium for discussion. The fact of the matter is that these young men (and anyone else partying like rock stars) really effed up. The consequences are dire.

And people have opinions on this stuff -- opinions that aren't always politically correct. People who are not close to the situation are looking at this from unbiased points-of-view. Some of us are simply not very diplomatic in our wording (but some of us are). You can either pick and choose which posts you read and spare yourself more unnecessary grief, or you can read on and continue to be upset.

By the way, I am deeply sorry that your friend died, and that your other friend is in jail. This is a shame, that with a small amount of common sense could have never occurred.

September 8, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

Hey Whocares...your last statement said it all.."there aint no God." you have my sympathy. especially at your end!! now to my point..go to the lastest news, they just arrested two men for the MURDER of the deputy, and honey that was no accident..go post there. sorry you have no life.

September 8, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cdu06 (anonymous) says...

Well Whocares...You have my deepest sympathy...you will never get to meet one of the best people we ever had on this earth. I knew Rally... and I know where he is. And its better than being down here with such ignorant intolerable people such as you.

September 8, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Mary I have posted this many times before,but I'll say it again.Most of us don't post our views to be purposely hurtful,mean or cruel.We discuss these things to share our thoughts and feelings.We want to figure out how things happen,if they were able to be avoided and how people can learn from others mistakes.And yes,we all have done stupid things.But most stupid things we all do don't take the life of someone.If we don't discuss it and everyone just blows it off like some freak accident that was unavoidable-no one will learn.If it were my friend,family,loved one-I would be shouting from the rooftops warning people of the dangerous mix of alcohol and guns(the lack of gun safety) and what could result.

September 8, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Wow everyone should view the newest update on this story...geez

September 8, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

This is not the Obit page cdu and we are not trashing his obit. I will show this article to my son and hope he learns from this. I hope it will teach him not to involve himself in something like this and would remove himself from it if he finds himself in one,,, your friend was drinking according to smalltowngirl "Yes, maybe they shouldnt have been drinking or partying..but that is the world today". Maybe this is the world you live in and this is why a young man is dead. Then --Mrs. Priss "I was really close with both of them. So damn close that I had just left about 15 minutes before it happened. They were sitting on the driveway beside each other laughing and joking like the BEST FRIENDS that they were."

Ok at what point did the gun come into play and why. Were they playing with the gun when you where there? I see no reason what so ever for a gun to brought out. Something like this was bound to happen. How can any the friends and faimly possibly make excuess for this. This was not an accident. The gun did not "accidently" fall from the sky into his hand" The gun did not "accidently" pull the trigger. Did any of you pay attention to the story of a week ago where the Marine brought a gun to a party and "accidently" shot his "friend".
Guns have no bussiness being played with, especially when drinking at a "party"

September 8, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

Well we've covered gender, religion, race, alcohol, drugs, guns, and education. Sure glad their wasn't any sex (other than my pregnancy) involved in the discussion of this holier-than-thou, god-fearing bunch of party-goers!!

I whole-heartedly agree with everyone who has called me an idiot...I hear that every day, so it must be true! However, when people come on here and say "God took Rally because it was his time" when in fact it was his (drunken) best friend who took his life, then I gotta figger I'm not the only idiot here.

Y'all have a wonderful afternoon :)

September 8, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

southerngirl45 (anonymous) says...

WOW for all who have not read it yet read the latest report.
Josh was posted bond and at $10000 no less.Now we know that he was the one that brought the gun to the party.WHY would you bring a gun to a party?Why would you put a gun to your friend"s arm? And WHY would you pull the trigger,loaded or unloaded? News Flash-accidents are flukes and when you put a gun against someone's arm and pull the trigger it is NOT an accident but an act of stupidity

September 8, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

melanie23 (anonymous) says...

I really and truthful don't think that this crime was involuntary at all. Simply because how could you not know that your own gun was loaded. I really don't by that story.

September 8, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Perspective (anonymous) says...

News Flash:

"SHOOTING NOT AN ACCIDENT"

Gun in working condition. Guns do not go off unless trigger is pulled.

ps: This isn't an obituary site. Playing with a gun at 5am at a party is no different than getting behind the wheel of a car and driving through a playground. It is stupid and you should suffer the consequences. Just because you kill a friend doesn't make it any less of a crime.

September 8, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lovely_One (anonymous) says...

I send my condolences to all of the family and friends of the young man.

MissPriss (and other family and friends), my suggestion to you would be to skip over the comments section of this story. I know I did last month when my cousin was murdered. I know the kinds of things that we as posters with opinions and no inside information or connections to the parties involved say on these blogs, so I chose not to subject myself to those things. There is nothing you can say or do to change someone else's opinion or to stop them from posting them. When my cousin's story was in the paper I didn't expect anyone to be less than open with their comments and post as normal which is why I never came on and told them that she (Kim) was my cousin. I am not saying that you shouldn't let people know your relationship to the persons involved, just expect there to be more backlash because people don't like being told what they can and cannot say here.

Again, my deepest condolences to all of you, but I implore you to take my advice and refrain from reading the comments. It will do you a lot of good. It worked for me.

September 8, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

Posted by Mcitybabe08 on September 8, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they are just trying to tell you all the facts so you too could maybe understand a little bit better & have a more accurate opinion.

The fact is the guy Nicely took a Springfield XD 40 semi-automatic pistol that he owned and placed the barrel against Hyrne's right arm. Thinking it was unloaded, Nicely pulled the trigger.

Are those facts accurate?
Do we have the fact straight here?
Is something missing we should know about?
I am not suggesting he had intentions of shooting his friend but from his actions he might as well had. Explain exactly was how this was an accident? How did the gun accidentally get to this party with Nicely? Was he in the habit of carrying this gun with him? If so, for what reason? Explain how the gun accidentally got in Nicely's hand? Explain how did Nicely accidentally point the gun at his friend and pull the trigger? I am sorry but this was no "accident" The only time things like this happen all the time when "boys will be boys" is when boys like Nicely do stupid things like that and maybe that is the world you live in. I have sympathy for the young man that died but I can not see any reasonable justification or explanation for what this Nicely guy did.

September 8, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Rebel_Yell (anonymous) says...

Jeff 61: It certainly was not a smart thing to do but we, as a society, cannot dole out punishments based on what time of day an incident occurs. Vice President Cheney shot his friend in the face during the day. I also know of several good churchgoing christians who have shot themselves or their friends by accident while cleaning their guns due to the mistaken belief that the gun was not loaded. Most posters imply that as long as you go to bed by 10pm and don't drink alcohol, you are free to shoot your friends by accident due to stupidity. That, my friend, is a stupid premise.

September 8, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

I was not injecting God, Church or christians, time of day , cleaning guns of the vice president in to this...Yes Cheney shot his friend but he did not run up and put the gun to the guys face and pull the trigger. As far as your friends shoot themselves or friends,,, again they did not deliberatly point the gun and shoot thier friends..Not sure what the time of day has to do with anything....If your talking about other posters and thier it was gods plan remarks and so on then please address them. Not following what arugement your making with me

September 8, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lotsonmymind (anonymous) says...

I can sit here an say that I did not know either men, But Mistakes were made. Now I have to saw that it was a smart thing for them to party at home and not out at some bar and drive home. But the gun got brought out and someone got shot and died. Now josh has to live with that for the rest of his life. Does he deserve to be charged... Yes. It was a mistake yes but he should of known better. Someone lost his kid and they deserve to answer to the charge. Now i think it was a good call that NCPD charged him with involuntary Manslaughter than murder. I think it was a good investigation on their part. My heart goes out to the family of the victim who has suffered alot already. As for Josh..... I feel bad for him. I really do. I believe he will never recover from this incident whether he is found guilty of the charge or not. I think he his feeling the punishment as we speak.. So people dont be nasty ok. The family of the victim and offender are reading these comments and you are not helping their situation by being rude. If it was your child, i dont think you'd want people saying nasty things about them

September 8, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

Jeff61, it is obvious that you dwell on this site as you have stated in previous comments. Specifically when a person ask you to "go ahead Jeff and take it for me" Post and Courier writter want-a-be's? I only came to this comment section because someone called me and said..people are so nasty and willing to jump on a witch hunt.

FACTS:

1. Gun...yes
2. Drinking...probably...drunk?
3. Drugs......unknown
4. Party,dinking and guns..dont mix
5. Gun..owned by Nicely..stated
6. Hour of incident? no good
7. Intentional? to hurt or kill..NO
8. Prejudged..sentenced and convicted...by some
9. Senseless...absolutely
10. Guilty? yes..Josh is gulity and will serve the rest of
his life knowing he did this. He will have to live with
the memory. The rest of the people on this board will
will go on with their lives...

Unfortunately this is not the first time and "unloaded" gun killed someone or shot someone..As I stated earlier, this was a "hard lesson" to some and hopefully to ALL. Yes, I agree with some of the comment board...drinking, partying, guns dont mix....but it will not change this. Hopefully going forward, friends and strangers that have seen this, heard this, and people will share this to avoid something like this in the future!

September 8, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MMitchum (anonymous) says...

My Grandfather was shot by an unloaded gun. He was probably 50-60 years old at the time. His neighbor had bought a hand gun. My Grandfather was a magistrate in Berkeley County. Didn't drink or party. Around 9-10pm when it happened.
He told the neighbor to watch where he was pointing the gun and was it loaded? He said it wasn't.
Needless to say he was stooping down by the recliner when he was showing his new gun, so when it went off it went through the recliner and both of his legs.
This was in the 1960's so it can happen. Yes he lived but his neighbor did not mean to do this. And the guilt was their because he thought the gun was unloaded.
So can you imaging what this young person feels right now? I am sure he is wishing the worst on himself.
My heart goes out to both these families.

September 8, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kjt817 (anonymous) says...

Yes, a mistake was definitely made, but it was an accident and it is so sad. My boyfriend was friends with both Rally and Josh and is very sad about this. Before making comments, think about those that have been affected and be a little sympathetic. Have a heart.

As for "Whocares" Yes we can all tell that you do not care. Thanks for your comments. I'm sorry for whatever has happened in your life that has made you so bitter, but take it somewhere else. Race, really? You are going to bring race into this? That ridiculous. Grow up. As for the God comment, keep your beliefs to yourself. Be sensitive to those who have just lost a family member, right after losing another. Be sensitive to those who were friends with Rally and are friends with Josh. Take your jerk comments, and your self-loathing self and go somewhere else....a psychologist maybe? You need major help.

September 8, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

Posted by Mary on September 8, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff61, it is obvious that you dwell on this site as you have stated in previous comments. Specifically when a person ask you to "go ahead Jeff and take it for me"

First of all Mary, at least on my part there is no witch-hunt. People posted some questionable things but my point from the beginning was this was no "accident" in a sense. And Mary, that fact that I do post here regularly has exactly to do with anything I posted? Did I ever question that these two were friends? No. Did I suggest that Nicely had planned this? No Did I suggest or accused those involved with murder,, NO. As you stated, "Hopefully going forward, friends and strangers that have seen this, heard this, and people will share this to avoid something like this in the future!"

Yes that is what I posted in so many words and what I hope will be the case. You confirmed everything I have said so what exactly is your point? Yes I comment on articles here, as do many people..What I don't do is read these articles and just shake my head in sadness or disgust, I comment on the issue...Please explain what heartache you have with that? This was a total senseless thing to have happen and two young lives are now destroyed. One will never see another day...This type of thing has happened too many times in the past. It is bad enough we have a whole generation out their killing each for no other reason then being "disrespected". Another was stabbed to death last year over a girl so it is even more tragic when a young man dies because someone was goofing off. It is even more tragic they were friends:so tell me more about this witch-hunt

September 8, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

The P&C really needs to inform family and friends of something....I do feel for the family and friends but this has been said time and time again by people other then me. The comment section is not the place for family and friends to come and read tributes, condolences and expressions of sympathy to those who died a tragic, preventable or senseless death. The comment section is for those of us that wish to express an opinion as to how something senseless such as this could have happened and how to maybe something like this can be prevented within this group. Some family and friends have come here to defend the actions of this young man for taking a gun, pressing it to his best friends arm and pulling the trigger:some have suggest that this behavior is normal within some circles and it happens all the time:some have come here and said,, oh well boys will be boys as if this is something that should be considered acceptable. Some you even appear to have my sympathy for the young man that pulled the trigger than the young man that died. It seems some of you are just running in circles.

September 8, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

usna04 (anonymous) says...

He died from getting shot in the shoulder? Really?

September 8, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

No usna.. he was through the arm and it passed into his body...The initial entry point was the arm... very misleading but when someone takes a 40 cal weapon, puts it against you arm.. pull the trigger,,, the bullet is not going to stop at the arm... read other posts and you will see I am being sarcastic with you, not to be taken personally

September 8, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wonderdog (anonymous) says...

News 4 just reported that the shooter "playfully pointed the gun at Hyrne and pulled the trigger."

It's hard to believe that anyone over the age of 5 would do that. Did Nicely have any experience with firearms?

September 8, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

Wonder..This guy according to his own statement had no clue that it was "loaded",, so what that that tell you... but wait there's more.. You pay only shipping and handling and the friends and family will be here to defend this senseless death by ridiculing us for asking such questions

September 8, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...

Why do these type of "accidents happen in SC more than any other place? is there no gun safety law-Why is there no common since when it comes to booze and guns? There are countless examples of accidental gun deaths in this state, mostly involving kids whose parents leave the gun laying around. THey know all to well how to load it as they sit and watch dad or mom load the gun. Its just like a swimming pool, its an attraction. So many guns-so few brains to handle it safely.

September 8, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Mary (anonymous) says...

Jeff51, want to ask questions? Become a lawyer. I will not respond to anymore of your post as it appears you are an angry bitter person from your postings. Sorry you have such a narrow view and unrealistic view on life. It was never meant to be perfect and is certainly unfair. As for my heartache in this?? I know the family and friends, I am a mother...ENOUGH?

September 8, 2008 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

usna04 (anonymous) says...

lol Jeff

September 8, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

usna04 (anonymous) says...

yikes Jeff. You and Mary got into it, did y'all?

September 8, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

usna04 (anonymous) says...

***didn't

September 8, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

No... it was not my intent to get into it with anyone... I am sorry if what I posted is from the the outside looking in. I am sorry if I can get past the emotional aspect of it all and get to the real issue. Don't think for a second I could not see one of my own children sitting on that sofa. This maybe why I am so passionate about this... Lovely put it most lovely... she experience something like this first hand... she knows what takes place here in the comment section and she and backed it up... Lovely deserves all do respect because she never turned on her convictions. And Mary..... I am a father... can you image a father getting a phone call about this regardless on of what side of the gun they were on???? Am I angry and bitter? Your damm right I am..We have two young men who were best friends, one of them thought it was cute to pull out a gun, press it against his best friends arm, pull the trigger and end his life.. Your damm right I am angry and bitter that this happened and if you are not then what the hell is wrong with you..We have enough senseless killings and this is so sad that something like this happened. .I am grateful I can teach my children from this...I am angry .you people seem to justify this and excuses this.... Again this was a senseless tragic thing that happened... thank whoever I am not a lawyer/prosecutor..... I am appalled that any of you can try to somehow spin this and justify it... Look through the posts...some of you are pouring your hearts out for the guy that pulled the trigger then the one that will be buried...It is not my intent is not to heap more grief, I am responding to things that were posted. If my narrow and unrealistic view on life means I think it is acceptable for someone to pull out at gun, press it against his friends arm and pull the trigger...I really fear for you people that think it is....

September 8, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Perspective (anonymous) says...

If some really dumb friend of mine shoots me while playing with a gun I HOPE that none of my other friends are DUMB enough to say that I wouldn't want him prosecuted.

No matter friend or family member - I would want them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It is just absurd to think otherwise.

September 8, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lovely_One (anonymous) says...

Ah shucks, jeff, you got me blushing and all! I really meant what I said though. Folks need to realize that we are people who are giving, for the most part, unbiased and objective opinions of articles that are written here. We are not out to hurt the family and friends with what we say, we are merely making observations and trying to learn from others' mistakes and misdeeds. We use dialogue to express our viewpoints on the subject at hand.

I just wish that others would follow my lead and either don't read the comments or understand that the commenters are people who are here to do just that, comment on the story at hand. although there are those that strive on negativity and post flames to piss others off, there are those of us who are truly concerned and want to make sure things like this do not happen to us or others around us. We just have colorful ways of expressing that fact!

September 8, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jolena01 (anonymous) says...

GOD BLESS THE HYRNE FAMILY! THEY JUST BURIED RICHARDS MOTHER IN AUGUST. THIS YOUNG BOY WAS PROBLEY STILL GRIEVING FROM THE DEATH OF HIS MOTHER. ATLEAST NOW THEY HAVE EACH OTHER.

September 8, 2008 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

Was it an intentional shooting? No.

Was it the shooter's fault? Yes, obviously.

He need to step up and take responsibilit for his actions, which resulted in the death of his friend. If jail is the result, so be it.

September 9, 2008 at 1:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )