Brown, Ketner race stirs clash over cash
First Congressional District candidates Henry Brown and Linda Ketner are keeping the airwaves at a steady hum with their television ads, but their battle expanded to other fronts this week.
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Henry Brown (left), Linda Ketner (right)
South Carolina GOP chairman Katon Dawson wrote Ketner a letter demanding that she return $54,000 in political action committee contributions, saying that she made a pledge not to take any.
"Failure to keep your campaign promise and refund these contributions would be proof-positive that you will say and do anything to buy a seat in Congress," he said.
Ketner said she made no such pledge. She said Dawson is referring to a Project Vote Smart questionnaire that someone — she doesn't know who — filled out on her behalf.
She also noted her PAC contributions are but a fraction of Brown's, whose campaign had listed $234,400 as of Oct. 15, according to the Federal Election Commission.
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"They're trying to divert people in the 1st District from the things that matter," she said. "People need to stop putting up with this in politics."
Ketner appeared Tuesday at a Campaign for Change rally in North Charleston along with her fellow Democratic office seeker, 6th District Rep. James Clyburn, former S.C. Superintendent of Education Inez Tenenbaum and actress Phylicia Rashad, a star of the "Cosby Show."
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"We're going to reclaim our government and we're going to make it work again," Ketner told the crowd of about 150 supporters at Trident Technical College. Clyburn, who seldom campaigns much against his South Carolina colleagues, asked the crowd to back Ketner.
"(The pundits) are saying South Carolina is going to stay (Republican) red, but you know what? I feel something in the air in South Carolina," Clyburn said. "We can do it."
Rashad said she was advised as a drama student to avoid public discussion of religion and politics, and she said she normally takes that advice. "Normally. But lately, this ain't been normal," she said. "It just hasn't been normal."
Meanwhile, the National Rifle Association announced it would endorse Brown. The association's victory fund chairman, Chris Cox, called Brown "a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights" and "a great friend to gun owners."
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counterpoint (anonymous) says...
In this day and age, how do guns factor in the debate at all?
October 29, 2008 at 1:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Adam_F_ogle (anonymous) says...
Because my bosses are very worried. We don't have much to attack the lady on so we got to make up stuff. I know they are pushing me to write more and more lies about all of the dem candidates.
I just wish they would leave those people alone. If we lose, we lose. So what - I would rather have responsible leadership anway.
October 29, 2008 at 5:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Yeah "adam" you sound like more of the liberal media.
Out with Brown in with someone new.
October 29, 2008 at 6:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
It's a sad day, but it's time for Brown to go.
Brown is like an old rusty pickup. You hate to part with it but, it won't start, it leaks oil all over the driveway and your neighbors complain that it is an eyesore.
I hate the idea to turning congress over to the democrats but the republican party is in the process of imploding and it's old goats like Brown, Stevens and Larry Craig that have to be cut loose if the party is going to survive.
Unless we cut out the dead wood, perverts, pandering crooks and trucks that won't start there will be no future for the GOP.
Please vote the old goat out to pasture.
http://cedarposts.blogspot.com
October 29, 2008 at 6:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
While agree that it's time for Brown to go, Ketner is even worse. There is no way I could vote for her as she's just too liberal in her viewpoints. There are no other candidate running for this position. Brown gets my vote.
October 29, 2008 at 6:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Same here ColdBud. It is also time to understand what a veto proof democratic congress means to this country. For those that don't it means that even if a republican has the guts to fight it won't matter. The last time that happened was Jimmy Carter. Also even if Ketner were not of the liberal persuasion if she went against the democrat party she would not have even the little power that a freshman normally has. No matter how bitter the taste consider what your vote will contribute to the future.
October 29, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Counterpoint - Here's some news gun shops in Rock Hill are sold out of handguns. Seems the fear of a democrat controlled congress and not crime is the issue.
No secert the its easier to buy a handgun is SC than NC
Coldbud and tc1 you are correct a vote for Ketner is waving the white flag. But even if Brown holds his seat, Collins of Maine, Dole of North and in all 7 senate and 11 house seats are gone. The news is all sad and scary.
But the GOP has been out of touch since the first Bush.
October 29, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zekemire (anonymous) says...
Liberal democrats need to be banned from public office, or, they will try to turn this country into an image of the former FAILED SOVIET UNION!
October 29, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Spartan (anonymous) says...
Brown helped this district secure funding for the Arthur Ravenel Bridge with his relationships on the house and senate transportation committees. He also helped renourish Folly Beach twice. Without him, this would not have happened. Think about it: no bridge, no beach. And if he were not there working for this, there's no chance we get any money today due to the mess Wall Street & liberal Democrats have put us in. No its very simple for me: Brown trumps Ketner. Brown also secured funding for MUSC research that was Federal money that would go somewhere to some district. Unfortunately, thats the way the game is played. Or we can sit back and say: "no more earmarks" (less than 1/10 of 1 per cent of the budget) and let that money go to Kansas or California. I support Brown because he knows how to play the game and get funding for needed projects. I wish the system were different, but his seniority (8 yrs I think) and his ability to work the floor has and will be invaluable. And he can reach across the aisle as shown by his votes and general good demeanor with Clyburn and others. So next time you drive the Cuzway or go to Folly Beach, thank Brown. He got the job done.
October 29, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
The only way I can give her any credibility is if she was running as an independent. Since she's on the democrat ticket and she is beholding to the DNC, I seriously doubt she can be an independent or a blue dog. She also knows, that she is running in conservative district and she needs to be under the radar on some conservative issues. That's where her Orwellian newspeak, doublethink or the modern usage of doublespeak needs to kick in and fine tune her message to convince voters that she is the real deal, plus I think she likes that retirement system that congress has for its members. It's an carrot that is hard to resist.
October 29, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LocalHero (anonymous) says...
Henry Brown is emblematic of what's wrong with this country's politics. Crooked and self-serving is not what we need more of. This country is on a serious downward spiral and will continue in that direction unless we have dramatic change. I support Ketner just as I do Obama....Hoping that they truly represent a new way of doing things. The old way is killing us all.
October 29, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Posted by LocalHero on October 29, 2008 at 8:31 a.m.: Hoping that they truly represent a new way of doing things.
Just curious, are you basing that hope on specific issues that are important to you, and the candidate's stance on those issues, or are you just simply "hoping"? I've said it before and I'll say it again: Change is not good unless it is good change. We can put a crack whore in the White House and you can bet we'd have change. I'd doubt many of us would be very happy with that change though.
While I think that Henry Brown is a pompous ass most of the time, his views on many issues fall in line with mine. None of Ketner's views on issues fall in line with mine. As a matter of fact, the only issue that I have heard her speak about is the fact that someone is running against her. Much like Obama (as you pointed out), she hasn't really said anything beyond trying to degrade her opponent. Its fine to point out the short comings of your opponent, but you should also be able to point out why you would be a good candidate. Neither has done that with any detail on any issue.
I find it interesting that you can go to www.rnc.org and click on a link called "Issues" and read the RNC's stance on the issues they find important. You may disagree with the issues and/or maybe the RNC stance on those issues, but you can read them. If you go to www.dnc.org you cannot read about the issues that the DNC supports. You can't do anything at all except donate to Obama's campaign. That's it... nothing else on the site except for a donation form. That's pretty telling.
October 29, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
rgr75thlrrp,
"Two years is not enough time for her to screw things up."
By herself, correct, no freshman can do that. Not sure but maybe you did not understand my point that she will provide another vote in the unrestrained power of a super majority democrat house.
To stir the pot further, reality sucks sometimes, the same logic applies with Graham in the senate except he does have power and influence with his seniority.
I don't like this game but as of this point in time those are the rules. Like I said sometimes reality sucks.
For the Obama supporters I know you won't believe this. If Obama wins Never in my 62 years will I have ever wanted to be more wrong about someone. I would hope and pray that should he win that there will be a time that everything is so wonderful that I am glad my side lost.
October 29, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Adam_F_ogle (anonymous) says...
Look, my bosses are getting quite mad at me, but here is what I think
We really need to vote out Henry. He is a menance to all good people. He threatens anyone who tries to make things better or imporove the conditions for anyone other than him self.
Lets try someone who cares. Vote Ketner
October 29, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
Demcrats don't want to take away anyone's guns. How much clearer can you make it?
btw,
anyone catch that a man is named Katon?
October 29, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
The best way to predict the future is to look at the past. Ketner is a liberal. She is surrounded by liberals - Clyburn, Rashad, people who believe it is the government's responsibility to "spread the wealth". We had generations of welfare households who never even tried to work because they knew the government would take care of them. Legislation mostly ended that cycle, and it wasn't the lberals that did it. Government will help you, but you have to have a job!
Obama is a liberal. No, Obama is not a liberal, I am sorry. He is a socialist. He makes most liberals look conservative. Until 2001 he was a member of the socialist party in Illinois. He even made speeches and wrote about how it is the Supreme Court of the United States' responsilility to get involved in "redistributing the wealth." That is just another way of saying tax those who work to give money to those who do not want to work.
You want to talk about honesty? Do your homework on McCain, Obama, Ketner, Brown. They are all liars. But, you will quickly learn who the biggest liars are by far. Look who people associate with. There are two old sayings that aptly apply here: If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas; and, you can take the pig out of the pen, but you can't take the pen out of the pig.
October 29, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
deerhunter (anonymous) says...
ColdBud - you are making more and more sense, thanks for
your insight. Ketner spends her money critizing Brown instead of what she stands for. I called her office and was told she supports guns as she owns one but hear the opposite, and that she would go with the feelings of the majority on gay marriage.
Her ability to stick to her opinions is so shaky.
I'm voting for the "old guy" one more time..........
October 29, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonscman (anonymous) says...
Brown is bad but Ketner doesn't know who fills out her questionnaires? That is sad.
I believe she filled it out then realized later that she wanted to change her opinion and rather than be honest about changing her position she now says someone else did a position questionnaire for her.
Much like she didn't "know" about her making fun of Brown and posting it to the internet. Wonder if she has fired that person yet.
October 29, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LocalHero (anonymous) says...
ColdBud,
Funny that the thing I noted when I watched the debates was that Obama and Biden spoke more specifics where McCain and Palin said much less of substance. (especially Palin)
As for the comment on this news article, I'll admit I'm not voting for Ketner as much as I'm voting against Brown.
Serialmooner,
The last 8 years of republican rule has just about finished us off! Old style politics is what we can't survive any longer.
PS, I think anyone who voted for Bush/Satan, oops, I meant Bush/Cheney, should be embarrassed and anyone who voted for them the second time should make a public apology...maybe do some community service....
Off to work...
October 29, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Regardless of who wins the Presidential election, both the RNC and the DNC need to take a long hard look at their core missions.
If nothing else this contentious race has spotlighted the ever increasing numbers of independent voters who are no longer tied to any particular ideology. Many of these 'independents' no longer look at politics & ideologies purely in black or white, but see society evolving and desiring that government evolves as well.
Over the past four years the RNC has seen an erosion of its core base. It's lost headway in bringing moderates and independents into its fold. For far too long the Republicans have focused on their 'core', religious conservatives who vote as a bloc. I truly believe that the RNC has missed a great opportunity to reach out to voters who are not necessarily conservatives because of religion but because of more secular concerns such as finances, education, and health care. The RNC has catered so much so to the anti-abortion, anti-gay, "family-values" crowd that those who feel there are far greater concerns felt left out, pushed to the side.
The Democrats have focused so much on pandering to the lowest-common denominator of voting blocs that they too have pushed away many independent voters who would have otherwise had some common ground. The Democratic Party has been hijacked by radicals who see the need to force their ideologies down the throats of everyday Americans. Instead of trying to find common ground it is either their way or no way.
Interestingly enough, both major parties are starting to look eerily similar with every national election. Case in point, this socialistic attempt at controlling capitalism, the $800 billion bailout.
October 29, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Obama is a socialist?
Well here's two sides mine:
http://cedarposts.blogspot.com/2008/1...
and the New Yorker story from Monday posted on MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27397938/
October 29, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
When will the savages realize that you can't stop progress? Religion is, thankfully, dying a slow death. If you disagree, look at the statistics trends regarding church/synagogue attendance and membership. More people are realizing that, as scientists figure out how the world and universe work, that they don't need the crutch of religion to explain away their fears. Eventually, even the people of this State will catch up and abandon the fictional supernatural world of religion. Mark my words, 100 years from now, organized religion will be relegated to small pockets of cults scattered throughout rural America.
Only then can people focus on the issues that matter and make a difference in our daily lives - economics, healthcare, education, and national defense.
October 29, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
3olivesmike (anonymous) says...
Conservative values like what?
Fear, Ignorance, Extreme Paranoia?
You and those that think like you are far from Conservative. You use the front of Conservatism to rationalize your lazy minds and resistance to diversity. The Republican party will throw you wingnuts out in the next few years and our politics will return to bipartisan reason and debate. You are a mere short term annoyance. This country needs to get back to the serious business that has been blocked by your nonsense.
October 29, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
What are these "conservative values" that the Republican Party seem to think they are the only ones capable of having or exhibiting?
October 29, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
willbillbedamned (anonymous) says...
Posted by zekemire on October 29, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Liberal democrats need to be banned from public office, or, they will try to turn this country into an image of the former FAILED SOVIET UNION!
Zeke, explain to me how banning people from public office is different than the "Failed Soviet Union".
October 29, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Whatmeworry:
Do you have a copy of the good book of liberalism. I'm curious as to how liberalism deals with moral questions and also can I buy it on Amazon.com?
October 29, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Spankerbuns, you are so disgusting.
You think it is entertaining to say that Republicans are buying guns to blow their brains out? You want to provide the bullets?
You are one of the first to scream about people showing human decency, and yet you make comments like that.
I reiterate, you are so disgusting.
October 29, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
Riptide: I don't need fictional characters from a book written to control people to tell me how to be a good person. You can believe in and follow the 10 commandments without going to church. You can follow them because it's the right thing to do. You can follow them because society functions better that way. You can follow them because it's what your mama taught you and because it's what your kindergarten teacher taught you.
Which is more noble: To be a good person for the sake of being a good person, or to do it because you fear the consequences of an "afterlife?"
October 29, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
spanker, just what have I dished out? I don't recall ever wishing that someone would die.
I don't think that people committing suicide is funny.
Apparently you believe that anyone who is not a Democrat deserves the death penalty.
Your extreme liberal rantings have gotten far out of hand. You seriously need some help before you implode.
FYI- I am not a member of either party.
October 29, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonpride (anonymous) says...
Just curious spankerbuns....what would you do if obama loses? I know your first words will be that he won't, but what if....
October 29, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
WTF?
Posted by WhatMeWorry on October 29, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When will the savages realize that you can't stop progress? Religion is, thankfully, dying a slow death. If you disagree, look at the statistics trends regarding church/synagogue attendance and membership. More people are realizing that, as scientists figure out how the world and universe work, that they don't need the crutch of religion to explain away their fears. Eventually, even the people of this State will catch up and abandon the fictional supernatural world of religion. Mark my words, 100 years from now, organized religion will be relegated to small pockets of cults scattered throughout rural America.
Only then can people focus on the issues that matter and make a difference in our daily lives - economics, healthcare, education, and national defense.
-------------------------------------------------
Religion has done alot for the world. Its given the ideas of virtue, helping the less fortunate, charity and the most important idea that God can be reached by each individual through reason and reflection. It plays an important role in building a general consensious. The EVIL is how hte republican party has stolen the origianl message and converted the religious to 666.
October 29, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Whatmeworry...
The reason I ask, I'm a believer in science and I also have faith in a higher authority. You may think it's a contradiction but I really don't see it that way. As a believer in science it is a scientific fact that life begins at the point of conception. Since we all agree that life is important especially an innocent life then wouldn't it be immoral to terminate an innocent life even at it's earliest stages?
Go ahead and cast me as one of those guys that clings to my religion and guns. We still live in a free society until comrade Barack becomes president and then we might see changes that most Americans may not want.
You have a nice day.
October 29, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
spanker, I am shocked! You apologized.
Thank you.
October 29, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
I hope Brown is GONE...I would vote for Satan over Henry Brown
October 29, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
It's true the "Die Hard", NRA, and Rambo types are buying guns in record numbers. Rock Hill, Florence and Lancaster gun shops are "sold out" of hand guns.
Not because Michelle Obama always seems to have that 'kill whitey" expression going on or to "blow their brains out" if Obama wins.
But because they fear a democrat controlled house, senate and executive branch will lead to a liberal controlled supreme court and gun control will be the first victim of a liberal attack on our constitution.
October 29, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
that whole darn socialism bull crap is Republican media propaganda, I think we are all smarter than the Republicans media crusade gives us credit.
October 29, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
RTC...forgive him/her/it....overzealous reading of Daily Kos has created another (remember JohnQ?).
October 29, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
(for the rest of the week, I am posting like RW for Halloween)
Ketner is a lezzie and a socialist. She may be a lipstick lezzie, but she is still a lezzie because she drives a Subaru, and we do not need a lezzie representing our State's conservative values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brown will wax Ketner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW spankerbuns, you are a commie fairy, a fleeb and an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LLLOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 29, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
2cents (anonymous) says...
Posted by serialmooner on October 29, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
... our precious nation will not survive 4 yrs. of demoncrat rule.
_______________________________________
Really? Really? LOL. It has before and it will now.
October 29, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
mkris: Agreed that religion has done all of the good things you've mentioned. But why do those good things have to be done in the name of a god or religious organization? Also, you cannot deny that many of those good things you mention were done with the underlying motive to convert and "save." Lastly, along with the good, religion has been the basis for many of the evils done in this world, i.e. 9/11, the Crusades, slavery, hate crimes, the KKK, etc. I could do without those things.
And, of course, I agree with you regarding how the GOP has manipulated Christianity to promote a political agenda and get re-elected (though Obama panders as well). As far as I know, Jesus would not have voted for wars, greed, fraud, Big Oil, or the "bailout."
October 29, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Brown's days are numbered.
And I agree with charlestonnative1963 about the socialism propaganda... what a load of crap!
October 29, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Whatmeworry: "Eventually, even the people of this State will catch up and abandon the fictional supernatural world of religion."
Not believing in religion is no worse or no better than believing in it.
What you posted makes you the other side of the extremist coin. On one side are those of you who denigrate people who have any sort of religious faith and on the other side are the zealots who denigrate those who do not.
October 29, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jesus definitely would vote NO on war.
October 29, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
Rip: "As a believer in science it is a scientific fact that life begins at the point of conception."
It is certianly NOT a scientific fact. You haven't talked to (or read) enough scientists if you believe that. When life begins is heavily debated. From a scientific standpoint, it completely depends on your definition of "life." Is a group of organized cells life? What if they're disorganized? Does life begin when an organism can exist outside of the womb/egg? All debatable. Throw in the concept of "soul" and it gets even muddier.
Rip: "I'm a believer in science and I also have faith in a higher authority."
I have struggled to understand how people can do both. While I don't understand it, I realize that it can't (and doesn't have to) be explained. You either have faith or you don't. It does hurt your ability to process information in a scientific manner. Science depends on evidence. If you believe in religion and god and there exists no evidence that would stand up to scientific scrutiny, how can you be trusted to evaluate anything accurately?
October 29, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Posted by hightide on October 29, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.: Jesus definitely would vote NO on war.
Has Acorn illegally registered yet another alien???
Our political system and our governments are shot. I doubt they can be fixed. The people that are smart enough, and honest enough, to fix such a mess are also too smart to run for public office in the media environment we have today. All of the political parties are equally screwed up, equally corrupt and equally entrenched in "good ol' boy" networks. The days of honest, intelligent men running for office are long gone. The United States has jumped the shark. None of the candidates in any of the races has the ability to fix that. Yes, we will survive either Obama or McCain. Neither will have much affect on what happens in our daily lives. That path has already been charted and we've been traveling down it for decades. I feel somewhat fortunate in that I think the United States will still be the best country in the world at least for the rest of my life. I cannot say the same for my children's lives. I don't blame the Republicans or the Democrats, one any more than the other (quite honestly, I blame the hippies). It's sad, but they are all screwed up.
Still, I have to vote for the best of the worse. In my opinion, that means voting for Brown in this race.
October 29, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa: Have you ever said anything disparaging about the Mormon religion? Scientology? Islam? Guess what? They're all the same as Christianity /Judaism designed to create a set of circumstances in which people must conform to certain behavior in order to favor (usually financially) those in power.
The reason it's so easy to make fun of Mormons, Scientologists, and other newer religions is that they developed in the time of modern history so the idiocy of their beliefs is well-documented. We know that Joseph Smith was a charlatan and that Hubbard was a science fiction writer. The idea that Joseph Smith found golden tablets in a mountain, or that aliens came to earth is no more outlandish than a virgin birth.
If I told you that I believed in Frostyism, that we were all born from children who built us out of snow and we then sprang to life to inhabit the earth, would you question my intelligence? Frostyism = Scientology = Mormonism = Christianity = Judaism:
October 29, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
almostspeechless (anonymous) says...
Personally I am sick & tired of the Linda Ketner / Henry Brown campaign & 11/4 can't come quickly enough. My tolerance threshold was breeched on 10/27 when I picked up my Race for the Cure race packet & saw, with disgust, that Linda Ketner actually had the "chesticles" to put a bumper sticker in the race packet...complete with pink ribbon & her campaign website. She should be ASHAMED to use breast cancer as her own personal platform to push her political agenda. SHAME ON YOU LINDA KETNER!
October 29, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Ms. Reasonspeak:.
So if life doesn't start at the point of conception then when does it starts? What say you Ms. Liberal:oh wait you're not a liberal and you're the guardian and owner of reason.
There's a good movie on the subject that you liberals should see. It called Expelled by Ben Stein.
Isn't great to live in a free society. I wonder what it be be like with Barack Obama?
I really have to go so have a nice day Ms. Reason.
October 29, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
i know this falls on deaf ears but......
Democrats don't want to take away your guns! If you are a hunter, you can keep your shotgun.
Democrats want to make it harder to purchase guns that kill people.
Watch these boards light up when a story about some innocent person is killed by an illegal handgun. You won't see anyone say, man, I wish that person never got a hold of that uzi.
Shotgun - Yes
Uzi - No
October 29, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
RIptide, So if life doesn't start at the point of conception then when does it starts? Your lack of a response to REasonSpeacks argument is a classic logical fallacy also Known as: Black & White Thinking. A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning":
Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false).
Claim Y is false.
Therefore claim X is true.
October 29, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
Rip: "So if life doesn't start at the point of conception then when does it starts?"
Again, I beg you to read more carefully. I'll say it again. There is no concensus among doctors and scientists as to when life begins. Re-read my post for more details.
I think we're having a breakthrough here. You call me the "owner of reason." Is that the problem? If you think reason can be owned, are you waiting to purchase some? Is that why you can't seem to write with reason, because you've been waiting to purchase some?
I can help you. Reason is not something that can be bought, no matter how low your taxes are. You are born with it and either develop it through thinking and education or let it atrophy through political and religious indoctrination.
I have not yet seen Ben Stein's movie but I will.
October 29, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
Democrats not wanting to eliminate ALL guns in the hands of normal citizens is total BS. They just have to deal with the Supreme Court decisions on gun ownership. Otherwise, they would be kicking down our doors to collect the ones we alrready own.
October 29, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Whatmeworry: I did not question your intelligence. I only remarked that your blatant mockery of those who subscribe to any type of religious faith makes you no better than Muslims who feel 'infidels' should either converted or killed, or the über-Christians who love to post on this board decrying the fall of the Great American society because people don't live as they do.
I commented on how posters like yourself complain how badly religious zealots treat those who don't think as they do, yet you do the exact same thing.
I don't mock ANY religion, especially publicly, because I feel that everyone, especially in this nation, has the inalienable right to believe as they do as long as it does not interfere with my right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
October 29, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
GetSerious
I know the deal.
Republicans are pro-life. So they are so blinded by that one reason to vote for Republican, that they will sacrifice many other reasons to vote Democrat.
October 29, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
I'm asking for your opinion. This entire forum is base on opinions. I have mine you have yours. If you get the opinions of more liberal scientists as oppose to more conservative scientists then I would agree with you but consensus is not science. I'm glad we have fox news and talk radio. That may all change when comrade Barack becomes president. No doubt he will made some changes as to how the freedom of information is broadcasted in this country of ours. Then we might all have to think like you Ms. Reason god forbid.
As far as I'm concern life begins at the point of conception. I even watch it on a PBS program back in the mid-1990s and I think it was called the Miracle of Life. I'm sorry we don't agree on this or anything else but then again that is what this forum is all about.
October 29, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
It's funny, those of you spouting "the Democrats this" and "the Republicans that" are just as short sided and politically insane as those you are bashing on. Sterotypes are stereotypes, generalizations are generalizations. In both cases, the one spouting them usually ends up looking like the true fool.
October 29, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
Henry Brown is simply too tired and too slow for this century. He would be an adequate Congressman for 1960 in the Pee Dee, but Washington is a competitive game and his influence there has been declining, despite his seniority. He doesn't bring a lot of bacon home and he's useless on policy.
Ketner's smart and can handle complex issues. She works with many different types of people. She hasn't run a perfect campaign, but you can't do that on a million dollars these days. I've worked with her campaign and Obama.
It's a massive effort to run for congress now. Frankly, if what Brown is doing is the best he, a four term congressman can deploy, does it demonstrate he can be an effective politician? He doesn't even have many yard signs out. It looks like he had a supply of old ones he counted on using, didn't order in time and now doesn't have enough.
I suspect in his tired, old way Brown is doing the best he can. He hired a tired old campaign consultant and we're getting the old negative, last minute barrage. Where are Brown's ideas? He likes the flag and apple pie. Who doesn't? He's against abortion. Congratulations. What does he plan to do about the population of unwanted and abused children in his district when the funds for their programs are being slashed as they are now? I know private charities doing this work which are running out of money backed by Churches with thinner collections on Sunday. What happens to those kids? Should we punish their parents and bill them? Many of them are already in Jail. Many are unemployed. If they don't pay we can put them in Jail and then pay for that.
These problems are a lot more complicated than Henry Brown understands. They don't go away when you punish stupid people for their mistakes by locking them up by the hundreds. It just makes rednecks feel good. It's a lot harder to salvage families with problems. It's also cheaper than years in shelters and jail. Some people still go to jail. Some people deserve to. Some don't. You have to take the time to tell the difference.
Out country is in a full scale mess now. We've spent most of the money we could afford to print. We need smart people in government now because what little we have left to spend had better go to things that work. Linda's smart and works hard. She's not a bleeding heart liberal. She'll be a great congresswoman.
October 29, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
Riptide- I am only playing Devils Advocate- but what happens if a 12 year old is brutally raped and gets pregnant...what are your views on abortion in that case?
October 29, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonscman (anonymous) says...
Neither of them may be perfect but Ketner is too much of a gamble. She hasn't proven herself to be honest (video issues and the 'firings of those responsible') or trustworthy (not sure who fills out her campaign profiles). Plus she was the first to go negative in campaign ads.
When you are claiming to be different and above all of the politics as usual you hold yourself to a higher standard. Ms. Ketner has clearly not met that standard.
And you think I am crazy for not rewarding Brown for his mistakes. At least I know what I am getting with him. With her, no one really knows, and that scares me more.
October 29, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Getserious,
Isn't Ketner heir to the FoodLion Corp.? I am not aware of many poor democrats in the party leadership. You are using the age old tactic of class envy constantly reffering to "Rich Republicans". Also your attitude is typical. You come accross as as an arrogant, elitist snob. Anyone that can't see my superiority is a fool attitude is all over your post.
"conservative fiscal philosophy that in no way benefits them."
I believe that philosophy leaves me in control of myself and not the governments control and dependency. I believe it leaves my achievement level in my hands not the governments. And I do not need to envy or be angry at others to feel better about myself.
October 29, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
LOL ... LOL !!
KETNER and BROWN.... Your BOTH failing ....
How you ask?.....
Ketner.. your not going after HENRY on ENERGY !! Energy is important to Democrats and Republicans and your SILENT !!
You know that we can CLOSE all Landfills (19+) in the State and turn OUR 3.5 Million Tons of trash into energy to be sold back through the POWER GRID.....lady !!
This ought to be issue #1 for any candidate running against any incumbent...Republican or Democrat.
Ketner and Brown have NOT stood up for Nuclear jobs in Aiken or the environment by being a Carolina VOICE to Santee "Sandanista" Cooper. Nuclear instead of COAL for the PEE DEE Plant being planned.
Is this LEADERSHIP?? ..... NO !!!
Has CLYBURN, BROWN, GRAHAM, SCARBOROUGH, BOSTICK, SCOTT, WILSON, CONDON, and all others stood up for Nuclear JOBS in AIKEN????
....Protecting OUR environment ???
...creating TAX REVENUE instead of increasing TAXES ???
....Harnessing OUR COASTAL WIND ???
...harnessing OUR TRASH ENERGY THROUGH PLASMA TECHNOLOGY ???
WE LEAD THE COUNTRY IN WHAT FORM OF ENERGY PRODUCTION???
COAL?? .... LOL, LOL! We have no Coal Mines here; so we would rather backslap and be "RAVENEL'ers" rather than harness our OWN energy ?!
We would rather employ coal miners rather than Nuclear scientists!!!
We would rather spew into the environment rather than harness our WIND ???
All incumbents are SITTING DUCKS !!!!
Henry....You've had your chance to LEAD and when it comes to the mutual issue of ENERGY for all Carolinians...you have been CASPER !! You now want to talk about WINDFARMS?? How long has GE been producing turbines in Greenville !!!
Henry ..you pork 400k for Sweet Potatoes to study for biofuel when 65 Million has been pumped into www.vacent.net ??? You should have got with Clyburn to get OUR farmers producing Algea-biofuel for our states fleet of TRUCKs !!! My GOD !!!
Henry ..stop bending over and ....LEAD !!!!!!
WE WILL BE SLAVES TO OIL ....NO MORE !!!!
You need to take a walk on the beach and Feel the BREEZE !!!
October 29, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
That is ....
www.valcent.net
HENRY and LINDA !!!
October 29, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Katon Dawson.....
LOL ...LOL !!!!
Stop rattling ...TIN MAN !!!!
After you get through giving Mrs. Fowler her Loufa scrub; I highly suggest you get yourself down to "Diane's on Devine" and have a chat with some concerned voters !!!!
October 29, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
sc4peace....
You can make the case for rape but on the flip side you have a person like Ethel Waters an actress and singer who was born to a mother that was rape at the age of 12 or 13. Her contributions in music, theater and movies span from the 1920s through 1960s and it was all because her mother didn't abort her.
Again, if you don't have a problem killing the unborn then there's not much I can say to you is there?
Like Barack says; I'm just one of those guys that cling to my religion and guns.
October 29, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
ReasonSpeaks-- Just a weigh in on the science-faith thing:
There are many highly respected scientists who are also people of faith. Being able to use & apply the scientific method does not preclude one from having a faith in a higher power & faith in a higher power certainly does not disable one from perfectly applying the scientific method. Where on earth did you come up w/ that notion?
As a matter of fact there are many scientists who started out as atheists or agnostics & somewhere along the way came to a belief in a Creator.
One well known one is Hugh Ross, an astro-physicist. As an atheist, he set out to "disprove" all if the major holy books by proving errors in historical/factual claims made in them through the various sciences. When he got to the Bible he thought he'd be finished w/ his project in 6 wks. It took him 18 months & by then he had become not only a believer in a higher power, he became a Christian(for an interesting read check out his book The Creator & the Cosmos)
Just providing food for thought.
October 29, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
Wjhamilton3 - you the lawyer that writes for the Moultrie news? If you are, enough said.
October 29, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Looking over the various posts one thing is apparent,most have forgotten about a few pieces of paper that were cobbled together by a bunch of guys with more sense than any of us could lay claim to today.
The constitution is the law of the land and our sorry elected officials swear an oath to defend it against all enemies domestic and foreign then violate that oath on a regular basis in their quest to lure an ignorant electorate into reelecting them to their little fiefdoms.
Nowhere in the constitution is the government responsible to provide jobs,a home,or insurance of any kind, just to name a few of the things that politicians offer "we the people" as gratuities in exchange for votes.
Article II section 8 of the constitution spells out in language easily understood with anyone possessing an eighth grade reading level, what congress can and cannot do.
Until voters understand and and demand that their legislators adhere to what the law of the land proscribes, those same legislators will do as they please if they can profit by it, regardless of weather it is damaging to the rest of us and the country in general.
I voted today and the black turnout was impressive. Many do not have a clue about what his agenda is but they are voting for Obama simply because of his ethnicity.
What's important though is they are voting.
If we all demonstrated that same level of interest in how our country is supposed to function and voted accordingly, many of our seemingly unsolvable problems would start to be resolved.
At present we are morphing into a socialist society,a system of government that has never succeeded and guarantees a true two class populace, the ruling class (upper echelon party members) and a subservient class(workers) .
October 29, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
WhatMeWorry:
Read about the world of the ancients and the virtues and morality of that period. Most of what Christianity and Judism and Islam brought to the world were most of the virtues of compassion, freedom and equality. These concepts were alien to the ancients.Christianity gave rise to the reformation, which lead to the Enlightenment and Age of Reason. Without religion theses ideas would not have developed. Now, the evangelical right-wing republicans are not Christians. Almost every aspect of thier religion is alien to the 1st century Jesus and Church. It is a creation of the 20th century and particularly Bob Jones University of South Carolina.
October 29, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Posted by blah_blah_blah on October 29, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i know this falls on deaf ears but......
Democrats don't want to take away your guns! If you are a hunter, you can keep your shotgun.
Democrats want to make it harder to purchase guns that kill people.
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The best weapon around, for killing people, is a 12 ga. pump with 00 shells.
October 29, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Spartan (anonymous) says...
Coldbud has it right. Vote for Brown. He probably won't run again in two years and then we change horses. Ketner doesn't represent Charleston or MB very well given the makeup of our citizens. Henry will vote mostly conservative and we need that vote the next two years, I mean REALLY NEED THAT CONSERVATIVE vote. Ketner is too liberal and will vote with Nancy Pelosi. Vote Brown.
October 29, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Evil Genius, are you going to refuse to take your Social Security, Medicare? Thanks FDR.
Didn't think so, you Hypocrite.
October 30, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lava (anonymous) says...
Bottom line.
Desperation creates lies. And Henry Brown is a desperate liar. He is choosing to use the same underhanded tactics that John McCain is using against Obama. It really is pitiful. I am voting for Linda Ketner because I am a democrat, but mostly based on a debate I saw. She was very informative on her plans, and remained calm. Henry Brown sputtered on like the giant buffoon he is.
He is typical of the white, OLD, southern man who thinks THAT is what needs to stay in charge of our backwards state.
October 30, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Altho Ketner does speak well & certainly can come off sounding a bit more eloquent than Brown, I am not convinced she is any more honest than the rest of them (politicians).
I do not want to vote for Brown & I am not going to vote for Ketner. Perhaps I'll write in "Anyone else".
I am not a fan of Brown, but anyone who has read the report about the "Fire" can see that Ketner distorted facts on this "old news".
To borrow some from a previous poster's comment-
Between Ketner & Obama, when all else fails, I guess we can enter the international Toastmasters competition.
October 30, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LEYH (anonymous) says...
Just got an automated call from Joe Riley asking me to vote for Ketner. Now that I know they are "in bed together", there is no way I will vote for her due to that simple fact. Thanks for the heads up Riley!
November 2, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cinnabar (anonymous) says...
Just what we need, another demo-ralizing-crat to usher in 'change' from bad to worse....FROM ANOTHER POST, HERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...
7 1/2 YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH vs. 2 OF A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS
Only George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine. A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) The DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American''s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...
But American''s wanted ''CHANGE''! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress &
yes--we got ''CHANGE'' all right.
In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline has been over $3-4 a gallon!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) THE DOW is probing another low~~ $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS? EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BRING DOWN THE ECONOMY AND WEAKEN AMERICA IN IRAQ TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES IN THE 2008 ELECTION. THE LATEST DEMORONIC FIASCO IS THE MORTGAGE MELTDOWN AND THERE IS MORE TO COME..CHECK OBAMAS LATEST STATEMENT AT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4on...
REMEMBER, NATIONWIDE 50% OF THE ENERGY TO RUN FACTORIES, HOMES, AND ALL YOUR PLAYTHINGS COMES FROM COAL. EXCEPT IN SC ITS MORE LIKE 80%...CHEERS!
November 2, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
The last post is deperate.
Bush/ Cheney/ Brown are history.
November 2, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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