McCain favored in state
Margin over Obama is 55-35 percent, but race much closer in N.C., Va.
Poll Results
S.C. voter snapshot
55 percent: Plan to vote for John McCain.
47 percent: Undecided in the U.S. Senate race.
43 percent: Say economy is the most important issue.
31 percent: Approve of George Bush's job performance.
8 percent: Say the economy is getting better.
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A new poll shows Republican presidential hopeful John McCain blowing by Democrat Barack Obama in South Carolina, but their race in North Carolina and Virginia remains too close to call.
About 55 percent of South Carolina voters said they would vote for McCain, while 35 percent said they would support Obama. Almost 7 percent were undecided.
Meanwhile, the Winthrop University-ETV poll showed that contests in North Carolina and Virginia are deadlocked; the candidates' totals were within the poll's error rate of plus or minus 4 percent.
The poll also asked about U.S. Senate races, and about 47 percent of South Carolina voters said they were undecided in the race between incumbent Republican Lindsey Graham and Democratic challenger Bob Conley.
Graham was supported by 32 percent of those polled, and Conley's support was about 10 percent. The undecided percentage here was noticeably higher than in Senate races in North Carolina and Virginia.
The poll of 617 likely voters in South Carolina, and a similar number from the other two states, also showed that 31 percent of South Carolina voters approve of President George Bush's job performance. About 55 percent don't, while almost 14 percent didn't know or refused to say.
Bush's disapproval rating topped 60 percent in North Carolina and Virginia.
Two-thirds of South Carolina voters said the nation is on the wrong track, and 88 percent said the nation's economic conditions are getting worse.
Almost 10 percent of South Carolinians rated their personal financial situation as excellent, while 44 percent described it as good, 34 percent described it as fair and 11 percent said it was poor.
South Carolina voters said they were mostly looking for a presidential candidate who is honest and has values similar to theirs, while experience, knowledge-intelligence and a candidate's policy positions were less important.
About 43 percent of voters in the state said the economy was the most important issue in the Nov. 4 election.
South Carolina voters didn't give Obama or McCain an edge on the health-care issue, but they did rank McCain somewhat higher on the economy, energy policy, taxes and illegal immigration, and much higher on the issues of Iraq and terrorism.
Asked if they support the great deal of federal money pledged to rescue large private companies, 32 percent of South Carolina voters said yes, while 55 percent opposed it.
About 28 percent of the state's voters said Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin made the GOP ticket more appealing, while 23 percent said it had the opposite effect.
About 48 percent said it made no difference.
Also, 55 percent of South Carolina voters said Obama's choice of U.S. Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate reflects positively on his judgment, while 28 percent said it reflects negatively.
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moonpie (anonymous) says...
I don't guess SC is in play for OBAMA after all Mr Clyburn as you stated in yesterday's paper.
October 24, 2008 at 6:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Of course McCain is favored...
The economy: Obama wants to take from the hard working and give to the lazy. I am retired Navy and am now well in to my second career. My wife has a good job. Obama wants to reward our efforts by taxing me and giving MY money to welfare receiving, drug using and couch potato living dirt bags. I did not spend twenty years in the military so that Obama can tax my retirement and give it to freeloaders on the south side of Chicago.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: Obama has no military experience at any level what so ever. No one that Obama associates with has any military experience what so ever. Neither Obama, nor anyone he associates with, has any concept of war strategy (expect for the few associates of his that have a firm understanding of terrorist tactics). Obama does not have the international experience to assess the long term affects of his decisions and actions. We cannot immediately withdraw from Iraq without serious harm to the United States in the areas of national security, economics and international political standing. We need to leave Iraq as soon as possible: after ensuring the country will be an ally of ours in this volatile region.
National and border security: Stop illegal immigrants and upset 25% of the minority voter base? Obama? Not a chance. If you don't stop illegal immigration, you're also not stopping terrorist from entering our country at will.
Crime: Obama has stated that we are too tough on criminals. Prison sentences, in his opinion, are too long. Please explain that to the numerous women that were raped last night. Please explain that to the people that woke up this morning only to find their car window broken, stereo stolen: so that a crack head can get high one more time.
Energy: We need to exploit EVERY possible means of energy production available. Off shore drilling and nuclear power included. Obama doesn't have a clue.
October 24, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
3olivesmike (anonymous) says...
Cold Beer. Twenty and out? From your ignorant racist ranting it's no surprise you were not the Navy's vision of its leadership future. Let me guess, you spent 20 years getting to PO3.
October 24, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tues_nite (anonymous) says...
Mc Bush does'nt have a firm grasp on a handrail let alone an economic policy. "the fundementals of our economy are strong". If he meant "our workers are the greatest in the world", why did'nt he just say that? Because he's clueless. He admitted being clueless in the Keating 5 saving and loan scandal that soaked the people for 123 billion.Left them broke in the streets. If he had a clue he would of stopped it. If he was'nt so greedy it would of been the Keating 4.
October 24, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
YankeeLady (anonymous) says...
Again, SC shows itself to be in braindead lockstep with blind conservatism.
October 24, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
spankerbuns, I don't know about you, but Obama's plan increases my taxes. Even if I weren't in the scope of his tax increase plan, it would still affect me. His plan taxes the very people that have succeeded in this country. Those are the people that will turn the economy around. Welfare recipients will NOT get the economy jump started. I'm not part of any socialized health care either. My health care is provided by my previous employer simply due to the fact that I earned it. I worked for it.
3olivesmike, actually I retired MMCS/SS. If you knew anything about the military, you'd know that nobody can stay in for 20 years without advancing well past the rank of third class petty officer. As for racist... please copy and paste the part of my post, or any other post I've ever made, that you consider to be racist. Don't waste your time... you won't be able to find anything racist. Thanks for contributing intelligently to the conversation though... oh wait... you didn't. Hell, even spankerbuns was civil this morning and provided clear opinions.
October 24, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cplpunishment (anonymous) says...
Have any of you idoits given any thought to homeland security! I want a candidate that has a clue to defend me! Not some panty waste that hasn't a clue! If we are challenged again...you probably won't have to worry much about taxes! You people that want Obama better be lucky that breathing requires little thought....or you all would be starving for air!!!
October 24, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
I am so disgusted by both of the major parties I had planned on voting 3rd party wherever possible.
However, the behavior of the Dems over the last couple of weeks especially, has convinced me I must vote McCain/Palin.
I will vote 3rd party in every other race, but Obama & Biden have done more than shake my trust & confidence-they have made me very afraid for this country.
For anyone interested in something you will not hear on the mainstream media Google Phil Berg...a life long democrat, lawyer of 37 years, chairman of his local Dem party, on & on.. who has brought suit against Obama challenging his origin of birth...
I thought this was a bit off the wall until I started reading about it...now...who knows?
October 24, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BravesFan (anonymous) says...
Am I the only one thats sick and freakin tired of people calling others a racist when they say something negative about Barack Hussein Obama?
Let's take 3olivesmike, for instance. He called ColdBud an "ignorant racist". Will someone please tell me what part of ColdBud's post was racist? Perhaps 3olivesmike should put those olives back in a martini and take a long hard look in the mirror.
Or maybe look even longer at the people Barack Hussein Obama hangs around with before pointing fingers in the wrong direction.
October 24, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
THAT MEANS THAT 55% OF VOTERS IN S.C. ARE INTELLIGENT!
October 24, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Does that make me a BLACK racist??
October 24, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BravesFan (anonymous) says...
I dislike Howard Stern immensely but this was emailed to me yesterday. Very, very interesting:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/1...
October 24, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BravesFan (anonymous) says...
The color of your skin has nothing to do with being a racist. You either are or you're not.
October 24, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
laine61 (anonymous) says...
Would all of this be going on if both candidates were white? As for voting for Obama because he is black is like saying that the whites are voting for McCain because he is white! Ooops! Most of you are!!!!!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BigSargeofSC (anonymous) says...
NOBAMA!! Keep the change!
October 24, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NumbersSCcom (anonymous) says...
It all comes down to who can turn out the base.
Take a look at the SC primaries earlier this year to get an idea of the difference in turnouts if you want a clue about which party will get the vote out on November 4th.
Just saying I think we could just as easily see an Obama victory in SC as we can see a McCain victory. I don't think the polls are really reflecting that trend.
October 24, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
This is NOT news, everybody knows that South Carolina is a RED state, it always has been.
October 24, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
Either way, we are screwed!
October 24, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
I had to read ColdBud's post twice and I still don't see anything racist in it.
I just had a conversation with a co-worker who happens to be black. He says we will all benefit under Comrade Obama...better health care, health care for the children, higher taxes on the wealthy, lower taxes on the middle and poor, education reform, housing reform....
Hell, if Comrade Obama can do all of that then maybe, just maybe he IS the messiah...
Anyone seen Gabriel yet???
October 24, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
I make lots less than a quarter million dollars a year. I still want to pay my fair share in taxes. I think its the right thing to do. I don't like these socialist ideas.
October 24, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
addition to last post.....my coworker also pointed out that he has always voted Republican up until this year.
Still no angel singing of the new messiah....???
October 24, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
Well you see EvilGenius, its like this, when someone begins to subsidize your standard of living. Soon they will be in a position to tell you what to do.
October 24, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dhshjh (anonymous) says...
laine61
YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS WOULD NOT BE GOING ON IF THEY WERE BOTH WHITE. BUT ALL THE RACIAL REMARKS ARE COMING FROM THE BLACKS, WHICH IS ONLY REINFORCING THE OPINION THAT THEY ARE ONLY VOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. READ THE ISSUES ABOUT THE MAN, DON'T VOTE LOOKS. ANYWAY, OBAMA IS MORE WHITE THAN HE IS BLACK, READ HIS HERITAGE.
I HAVE BOTH WHITE AND BLACK IN MY FAMILY AND JUST TALKING TO THEM PROVES WHY THEY ARE VOTING FOR HIM. "CHANGE" TO THEM MEANS BLACK INSTEAD OF WHITE. "WHAT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO VOTE FOR." NOT KILLING BABIES OR THE ECONOMY.
October 24, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Eatmore-I make between 90-110k yearly (commision job) and I dont see anything wrong with people who make double my salary paying a lil higher. As it is now I pay proportionately higher than they do. Thats ridiculous. Im not on welfare by far and I know that Obama's tax plan wil allow me to opeN another business. I own a small business also that I let a manager run for me. Still Obama would be the best choice for ME!!
And as a younger black man this is the first time I have ever voted because this is the fist time I have seen someone that could really make a difference in MY life. AND YES I HAVE ALREADY VOTED ABSENTEE.
And dont give me the young and dumb college kid crap either cause I have served my country in the military and graduated College of Charleston afterwards all while working fulltime in the same job Im in now. Obama's legacy will ensure that other hard working Americans (white and black) will be able to obtain the goals I have accomplished in my short life too.
October 24, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
My husband did 25 years in the military and retired as a CWO3 - and for those who dont know anything about the military - lots of people apply every year for very few CWO (Chief Warrant Officer) positions - and my hubby made it - FIRST APPLICATION - and we are voting McCain - Obama could very possibly try to mess with NOT only the military retirement medical but pensions as well - theres no way ANYONE is getting their grubby paws on any more of my husbands retirement pay which is taxed already (and it shouldnt be!) - he fought in two wars - Vietnam and the first Gulf - and he refuses to let this country go down the tubes with the left wingers!
October 24, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
hmm kontact has made a success of his life - good - but under which party's leadership most of the time --- hmm wait let me guess - REPUBLICAN!!!! - Alex I take facts for 100 please.....
October 24, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missthang (anonymous) says...
Grandpa will not get my vote!!!
October 24, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tigerrecord (anonymous) says...
Has anyone noticed that Obama has stopped declaring that those who make less than 250K will receive a tax cut and has now started declaring that they won't see their taxes go up?
We haven't even made to the election and he's already changing his stance. You can give me "semantics" all you want, but he's already exposing his true colors.
October 24, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
YankeeLady,
Braindead is very appropo for this state. McC and OB are so closely matched that you really can't tell them apart.
It doesn't matter who's in power, I work I make money, I live, I pay taxes, I sleep, I eat I enjoy life to the fullest. Whoever is in office has nil effect on my life. Some here blame whoever is convenient for their woes. I'm glad they'll probably remain there.
n4dhs please provide some facts for your rant about OB cutting retirement benefits, instead of using the gossipy probably, maybe, might, I think, I heard mumbo jumbo that passes for facts nowadays. Thanks. Did you know McC voted against the new GI Bill? Yeah he supports the troops fully. Keep sipping the kool-aid. BTW, I'm combat veteran of 2 wars(including this misguided adventure times 2) and multiple deployments, carry a VA rating and am a 24 year veteran to top it off. I'm voting for neither. Neither represent me.
Given McC's choice of Caribou Barbie as VP, calls his judgment into question for picking such a rube like Palin. OBs cries of change are are nullified by choosing Biden. Ron Paul has disappeared.
We're screwed '08
October 24, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
missthang - You better cover that thang up for you catch cold.
October 24, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
On Communist News Network?? - NOW thats funny!
October 24, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
Obama is anti military - the last one we had like that - Clinton - retired all the ADULT SUPERVISION as we call it in the military and retired them all - fortunately my hubby got into military government contracting and we are OK - I dont NEED to know what Obama SAYS - I go on what I know Dems do - and military are always hit somehow! - folks get a clue McCain/Palin
October 24, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
if you are truly military then you would be voting for McCain - I hate war but people are NOT nice - Obama gets in and we will be attacked because they think they will be able to - at least Bush was able to show them that he had the cajones to strike back at them if they tried!
October 24, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
oh and while im on my soap box - my hubby fixed the river boats in Nam for a while (he is retired Navy) and heard all the comments pretty much everyone was making about Kerry and his "bravery" - oh and you are now on my ignore list - what is it you americans like to say - oh thats right - have a nice day!
October 24, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Let's be honest here folks. Most of the whites in South Carolina voting for McCain are doing so simply because Obama isn't 100% white and they don't think any non-white person is capable of leading this country. Remember, South Carolina was one of the last states to make Martin Luther King day a holiday and this man was a non-violent Southern preacher. Let's admit it and be honest, South Carolina WAS AND STILL IS one of the most hateful and racist States in the U.S.
John McCain is an angry old man who will continue to drive this country down the drain.
October 24, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
Government contractors are the lowest form of life on the planet.
Is your husband one of the scum contractors who keep hiring unlicensed electricians that are electrocuting soldiers?
Is he selling the Army unfiltered water swarming with diseases, or subcontracting his work to third world countries?
Of course you want McCain to win, so your gravy train never stops.
October 24, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
"You Americans"?
You're spewing GOP garbage and you're not an American?
Let me guess, you're one of those, "Hey Sailor, You take me big PX" wives...
October 24, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
In two weeks it will be over but the crying. ...Or will it.
I keep my vote secret. it is between me and Mickey Mouse. OOPs. It slipped
October 24, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
I can't believe that anyone believes even half of what these eguys are saying. When is the last time a president came through on a fraction of what he's promised?
Also, many of you are quick to insult those with opposing views -- especially those of you who are conservative in your rhetoric. I would think that everyone votes for not only what is best (in their opinions) for the country, but what's best for them and their families. All liberals are not lazy. All liberals do not live on welfare. That's just stupid. All conservatives are not wealthy.
Many liberals are HARD-WORKING lower and middle class people who just want to pay their bills, raise their children, and be happy. I would say that's true for conservatives also. It's a shame that we can't take the best of both parties' ideologies and actually accomplish something.
And as for liberals taking away freedom, I assume you mean the 2nd amendment. If that's what you mean, you are correct. And, I have no problem with the 2nd amendment. I will never own a gun, but others can keep theirs. Chances of eliminating gun violence in this country have become slim-to-none at this point anyway.
But I shutter to think of the rights and freedoms that the republicans would like to eliminate. Those freedoms of choice and privacy are the freedoms that I most cherish, so those are the freedoms that I will consider when voting. That does not make me an idiot. It makes me a conscientious private citizen. You like guns? That's great. Vote how you need to in order to preserve your rights to them.
Please, do not forget that there is a 3rd party out there. One that advocates for ALL rights and freedoms and a less-intrusive government. One that advocates for fiscal responsibility. Don't be a sheep.
October 24, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
laine61 (anonymous) says...
Thank you Preachlove!!! If voting for Obama makes me a racist, then anyone voting for McCain makes them racist. I am not voting for Obama because he is black, I am voting for him because I do not want another four years of the same old thing. I was for Hillary Clinton and she is not black, so race has nothing to do with it. The idea that Black people will only vote for a person because he or she is black is a prejudiced notion. We vote for who we think can do the best job. If that person happens to be Black,then so be it. You can vote for whomever you want not based on skin color, so why can't I?
October 24, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
preachlove:
You do NOT speak for me. I am a native South Carolinian and I am voting for McCain because he is the BETTER man for the job not because he is white!!! I would vote for Condoleezza Rice too!! I would have voted for Powell but he showed his true BLUE colors in supporting Comrade Obama.
Sounds like you are "angry and hateful" not the good folks in SC.
And...out of the mouths of babes....one of my students said yesterday not to vote for McCain because he "wants us to pay for stuff." His words not mine. That sums up the very bottom line.
October 24, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
LOL - i have lived here for 24 years - I pay taxes - I work - do you?????? - I have helped support three states with my taxes - have you??? - I come from Australia where the socialists have taken over with welfare for all so I understand the problems with National Healthcare etc. - do you?????
October 24, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
oops broke my word and stopped ignoring - God forbid I am turning Dem...ha ha
October 24, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
shoelaces,
Heck yeah, McCain wants us to pay for stuff, like AIG, Lehman Bros., Wachovia, Bear Stearns, Halliburton, Blackwater bonuses, a 100 year occupation of Iraq, massive interest payments to the Chinese...
October 24, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and actually my husband is trying to replace 30 year old radios that have never worked right so that all the services can talk to each other thereby saving lives in war AND peace.....he doesnt MAKE ammunition, weapons, drugs or anything else - just radio systems and internet systems - so that guys can call home and talk to their families - from Iraq, Korea or anywhere else - if that makes him scum then so be it - hes at least educated unlike some people here....
October 24, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
n4dhs
I'm still waiting for you to provide some facts about OB reducing retirement benefits.
Retired military and Government contractor? Well that explains alot, stay on the gravy train, not much thought needed for working for the gubmint in a good ol' boy system perpetuated by waste.
Judging from his service career, he's probably another high priced paper pusher/bean counter making sure they get their own, protect their job then they might have time for whatever they were really hired for. Bureaucracy in it's finest form, Ex- fed/military uppers getting the inside scoop on over paid contractor positions. If the American taxpayer cared about the piss poor quality of service on return for their tax dollar, the gravy train would sink under it's own devices.
I was a gubmint contractor and quit because of the abuses and shoddy work the American taxpayer is getting for their tax dollar. I couldn't consciously screw people over. Glad to see you are more than capable of it. No creativity or thinking required. A true hierarchy of stagnation.
Put people on ignore? You can come here and toss it around but can't back it up? Typical. USA Numba 1
October 24, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Shoelaces - Powell showed his true colors? What's that? He's shown his true colors by supporting someone not white? Oh, how dare Obama not support McCain. Because Powell felt Obama was the BETTER MAN to lead this country through the MISERABLE state Bush has us in, you say he's showing his true colors. I'm sorry that Powell didn't fall in step with the GOP party line and offended you. That's why Powell was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs because he was a BETTER MAN than all of the other generals.
And if Obama wins, you can rest assured that he will be advising Obama on Defense matters and not some old belligergant geezer like Rumsfield who mismanaged BOTH wars.
October 24, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
You know it doesn't matter what you say here, the main thing is you go and VOTE!!!! On November 4th. That's where you voice will be heard. Don't be like some I know run their mouths, and aren't even registered. You who aren't registered your voice means diddle squat to me or anyone else. If you are registered, (legally that is) VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!! That's where your voice will be heard the loudest.
October 24, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
You have cost the US taxpayers far more than you have ever contributed, and you don't have a dog in this fight, so unless you are commenting on Oz, STFU.
October 24, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Granny,
Already voted, absentee.
October 24, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Shoelaces - First of all, I am not an angry or hateful. I just point out the facts, and because I do, you call me angry and hateful. That doesn't bother me, because I have been called worse by whites even defending my country in uniform. There a lot of GOOD FOLK in South Carolina, but that doesn't refute the fact that it WAS AND STILL IS one of the most racist and hateful states in the country.
October 24, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
I HAVE PAID TAXES, SOCIAL SECURITY AND FICA FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS AND NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING BACK EXCEPT FOR THE OCCASIONAL AND I DO MEAN OCCASIONAL TAX REFUND - I HAVE TWO CHILDREN BORN HERE - ONE OF WHOM NOW WORKS AND PAYS TAXES AS WELL....oh and how many captains masts did you go to??? - makes me wonder...hubby has experienced types like you before....
October 24, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and granny i agree with YOU 100% - you want your voice heard no matter what side you are on then vote!
October 24, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
spankerbuns -Are you still useing drugs or are you just cazy. I've looked all over and can't find that.
When exactly did Pinochet come to America and blow up government stuff, spit on our flag, work to tear down America like the Bastard Ayers did.
October 24, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and my husband gets out there and gets his hands dirty literally - hes not a paper busher or a bean counter - hes a retired military man who CARES about this country and the men and women fighting for it....he earns a salary yes - but hes never defrauded the govt for anything in fact hes turned some people in for defrauding the govt....earn it, pay your taxes, protect freedom, vote (no matter for who..work hard and have fun....and thank GOD you live here....
October 24, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Gee they use radios to call in air strikes, artillery, MLRS but he doesn't make ammo. Okay he only facilitates the ability to kill. Gotcha n4dhs. The internet is use to pass plans and telecommunicate battle plans, etc., and the like for operations. Nice try. The ancillary off shoot of those capabilities is troops being able to use it for personal communications. Again nice try.
Radios that have never worked right because of government contractors made them that way, the procurement folks knew it and didn't care. Along comes someone else under government contract to fix them, brilliant now innit mate? The endless circle. Love it. Job security at the expense of the tax payer
I paid taxes all around the world too, saw the shortcomings of the NHS in the UK, so your point is what? That McC won't do the same and attempt nationalization of the health system? Please.
I'm still waiting for some evidence of OB gutting retirement benefits but if you only can provide gossip, I understand with you being a Navy wife and all living off of your husbands accolades.
Education, I have one or two of those degree thingys. What about you or do you worship your husband so much you can't make a stand without him? Just curious.
Other countries have phones, most internet is commercial or leased from commercial to reduce infrastructure costs to the government. Again, nice try
October 24, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
if you hate the military so much why serve in the first place???? and why stay except to make people like my husbands life miserable - hes had senior personnel like that - hate what they do so they have to make everyone else miserable....god what a waste of a potential good life....
October 24, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
but then again they dont hate the free medical or the pension they get - funny how that works isnt it - get milk from the govt. but insult everyone else for doing it too....wow liberals you got to love em!
October 24, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
willbillbedamned (anonymous) says...
Posted by EvilGenius on October 24, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
abitskeptical, about Phil Berg;
Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth
'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'
Posted: October 23, 2008
11:33 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."
He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...
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Hmmm, is this why Obama is "rushing" to her side?
Evil Genius you're a moron. His paternal grandmother said he was born in Kenya. He's going to Hawaii where his MATERNAL grandmother raised him. I know that's a tough concept for you, since your family tree has so few branches.
October 24, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
You aren't a CITIZEN, I don't care how much tax you pay, your retirement & military benefits have been paid by the US taxpayer for as long as you have been married.
You can't vote so your opinion is irrelevant.
As for Captain's Mast's who cares? Never been to one, but I have had cocktails with 4 SACEURS, met General's Eisenhauer & Omar Bradley (I was very young) and my parents were Navy (Dad) & Marine (Mom), so KMA!
October 24, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
id vote for Condie any day and up til now would have done the same for Powell....if it was just race in SC we would have NO politicians of color.....but we do which is great and hopefully we can get more who are qualified and wont sell out.....and if McCain was a person of color I would stil vote for him in a hearbeat!
October 24, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Early - WOW!!!! Because they're is a chance that OBAMA may win, he is now being called the ANTI-CHRIST? In case you didn't know, this nation has had Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, RELIGIOUS "FAKE-CHRISTIAN" FANATICS THAT BOMB OLYMPIC EVENTS and even devil worshippers for quite some time.
October 24, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Yeah I've seen many like you and your hubby n4dhs. Lockstep, protect self, follow the pack straight ahead, no thinking required, and best of institutionalized relying on jobs funded by taxpayers. Rah Rah we are number 1 mentality. Goody for you guys.
He's part of the problem but he has to work, I understand. The military industrial complex that perpetuates war and conflict and keeps people like your hubby in the gravy boat. Goody he gets his hands dirty. I did too until you see you are perpetuating the problem.
We all pay taxes, BFD.
Oh yeah, I'm still waiting on those facts of OB cutting retirement bennies.
October 24, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
I am a citizen you fool! - so hows that for facts which of course some people wouldnt know unless they were in front of their nose and even then maybe not!
October 24, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
i actually convinced my hybby to vote for clinton (he was going to vote for Bush Sr) - real fact - but once I saw what HE did to this country that was it for Dems - I used to think that Dems could do good for this country I really did - but not now..
October 24, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
I don't hate the military at all. I can trace my family's continuous military service to the Revolutionary War.
I have DAR, Daughters of the Confederacy, and FFV eligiblity.
You aren't a citizen, you're not a member of the military, and you have sucked at OUR government's teat for 20 years.
Again, you have no credibility and your opinions are irrelevant.
October 24, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and since i was told i didnt have a dog in this hunt - well i had to bring up the facts - i pay taxes TOO - and work TOO - so I have a right just as much as anyone else to put in my 2 cents - boy it must have been more than a few captains masts to get you this grumpy....
October 24, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Gosh we don't have enough DA's in SC, we have to import them.
October 24, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
hubbys first ancestor - the second boat after mayflower - his ancestors - revolutionary war - ancestors BOTH sides of the confederate war...or do you think YOU are the only "special one" here????? - i AM a citizen - read sweetie...naturalized but still ONE - i have given birth to TWO of them...what have you done except gripe about the military while reaping the benefits????? my daughters are DAR, DOC, and Huguenot among other things.....and they are FFV too!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
n4dhs, I signed a contract with the government and retirement bennies are one of the rewards for 24 years of service. They are fulfilling their end of the contract paying me retirement as agreed as I have fulfilled my contractual obligation. No issues there and my health care in the service was on par with NHS type toward the end. I pay for my health care via Tricare now.
I don't hate anyone, so take your strawman argument and try again. If your hubby is so miserable working for the government because of folks who can speak their mind, then why not try something else? Kinda hard when you are stuck on the government teat now isn't it? Government contracting and active military service are two different animals, try and remember that. Weak attempts to compare the two only supports peoples arguments about contractors and the gravy train that'll surely continue under McC.
Military folks or those that never really left the military after retiring, aren't really tolerant of those of us that don't speak lockstep. Thinking outside the box or being innovative always scared career military brown shoe types. We must be traitors or liberals they uttered. Sad.
October 24, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
LOL you are a trip sweetie! - thanks for making this dreary rainy friday an absolute hoot! - you say you are retired military but dont have a good word to say about any of them - wonder how many times you got busted in rank?
October 24, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
In one of the most uneducated states in the country where people don't vote for real issues, but for the R next to someone's name, I am not surprised.
October 24, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
Let me guess, you never got invited to the Commander's house and hate anyone with higher rank?
Treated your husband's few subordinates like dirt and played "the grand dame" at the NCO club?
Wives like you were the bane of my existance for years......
October 24, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Still waiting for those facts there n4dhs on OB cutting retirement bennies.
My ancestors came from somewhere and are neat historical family facts to have but in the end I'm an American.
I never had an Article 15 so again your windage and assumption is terrible. Keep going though, you're amusing.
October 24, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
its been fun boys and girls - and those of you who obviously have had problems with the military contractors - wonder who fired you???? - but its time to go back and earn the $ that since I wasnt born here I am not entitled to and the opinions that arent credible - got to help pay my oldests college tuition....no welfare in this house....
October 24, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
Oh Please!!!!!
You guys can dispute this all you want, South Carolina only has EIGHT electoral votes, whereas states like Texas, California, New York and to name a few others is where your concerns should be!
I really don't care one way or the other who votes for whom, or who wins for that matter!
We are screwed either way!!!!!!
However, there are two things that we must keep in mind here:
South Carolina has always been a RED STATE, just as it has always been at the BOTTOM of any list (excluding crime of course).
It is also a know fact that, politicians are nothing but, someone who seeks power!
One that will tell you just about anything to seek political gain!
To sum it all up, they are big, fat liars!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
LOL my husband was already a warrant when i married him - didnt go much to the club - actually hated the wardroom parties - so we went to the "mandatory fun" - noticed you said article 15 but not anything else - cute.....you dont have to be brought up on an article 15 to go to captains mast OR get busted for that matter......dont you know anything?????? - i dont like parties period actually - like being home with the animals or out on the water......
October 24, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
And your ancestors were convicts who got deported?
October 24, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
nope actually not - im french, irish, british and spanish, nothing as exciting as being deported to botany bay - would have been interesting to be able to claim it i guess - no worse than a lot of originals here who had the same thing happen to them for a while.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Alert!
n4dhs is going back to work, be on the lookout for loogies in the Big Macs!
October 24, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and no name you do have a point and a good fact.....8 votes aint much...i must say....
October 24, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
i am already at work - just work in a one person office and can multi task well - been taking phone calls and doing things while being amused....downtown charleston looks way too dreary today with all this rain - will have to check out market street on my way home to see how much the weather has affected them.....at least they are trying to make a living and work hard....and I always wish them well....
October 24, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
but check out the KFC later i may be there ;)
October 24, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Early said:" According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent"
Early, I don't know what Bible you read or what email forward you got that from, but MY Bible, does not say anything about MUSLIM descent. That's ludicrous and yet another scare-tactic of the neocons in this country.
October 24, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Gater,
Just winding up the old bat. Anyone spewing her garbage deserves a bit of taunting, and really, I've had to deal with this "wives wearing the husband's rank" crap for far too long...
October 24, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Political discussions just seem to bring out the best in people...
Not.
October 24, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
URGator not all people pay taxes and I am referring to people born and raised in AMERICA some get paid under the table. This has been going on for years. And what's really funny they are the ones that are complaining that the Politian's are using their tax dollars now that's a hoot.
(Posted by ballachulish on October 24, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Granny,
Already voted, absentee):::..
Was that supposed to be an insult. If so sorry didn't get it.
October 24, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
LOL well i guess i better throw away the broom stick if im a bat then huh? - you are so funny - i dont wear anyones rank or anything else - but you keep changing the subject when I bring up military punishment or firing from a military contractor - makes me think sumptins up! - but like i said sitting here watching the rain was getting boring and teasing them is WAY more fun!! - thanks for the entertainment guys its been great!
October 24, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
n4dhs
You are marvelous at stirring the pot and avoiding questions, playing victim when it suits, just like a true seniors wife. Good on ya.
I was never brought up on any charges, two LOCs in my younger days but they had nil effect of my career and hence was never busted in rank. Actually I got promoted below the zone and made rank rather fast. Glad to see you joined after your hubby had done all the hard work to get to his position. Very smart of you. Miss the hard parts. I was USAF, so hence the rebelliousness. I don't have a bad word to say about those serving, so stop spinning and setting up weak strawmen arguments sugar. Putting words where they don't belong is not surprising given your comments and inability to stay on topic. I was "fortunate" to be around wives like you that wore their husbands ranks. You types were always a hoot.
Now what about those accusations that OB is going to tamper with the retiree's money?
October 24, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
but one thing is a fact - in 10 days we know one way or another...simple as that....everyone votes their way (democracy at work) - and the decision is made - thats the way it should be - democrat OR repulican....
October 24, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Granny,
No, not an insult, I'll be out of the country on the 4th, so I voted absentee.
I was agreeing with you about the importance of voting...
October 24, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
As far as the military goes my grand father fought in ww1 my dad in ww11 my brother in Korea my husband in Vietnam my son in the gulf and my grandson in Iraq. not sure about further back
October 24, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
yep charges - knew it - other half never had any - thats why he was one of the youngest chief petty officers the navy ever had - USAF is harder to make rank I will say that - my newphew is Air Force - and you usually dont get transferred as much as the other forces.....you really think NObama is going to NOT try some underhanded stuff - and I have to be fair here - I am NOT sure McCain may NOT either - but theres less chance with him - McCain would NOT be my first choice this year either but given the other choice well.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
thats neat granny - I hope your son and grandson are OK - are they still over there or are they home now?
October 24, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Balla, I hear ya brother, then they go coy on ya and coil up or slither away or they proclaim in mock incredulity they never wear their husband's rank. It's her duty to be that way or something similar.
I love her strawman gossip level debate style. I'm still waiting for her to provide some evidence of OB cutting retirement bennies. Instead we get the irrelevant discussion of mast and how we have to be bad. Sheesh. Facts always bamboozle some.
October 24, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
ballachulish... ok sorry I have seen so much insults flowing here wasn't sure.:-))
n4dhs... I too am working in the office today alone but when I leave here is coming to Charleston for the weekend hope it doesn't rain all weekend but if so I need the rest
October 24, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
please let them know Granny that we are all thankful for their service.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Vote
Now still waiting for that fact where OB is going to chop the retirement bennies.
October 24, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
Since you weren't married for most of your husband's military career, how would you know if he was written up?
Good lord, I'm having combined club rank infighting flashbacks!
And Warrants are no man's land in catfights.
October 24, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Granny, thank them for their service and for you and your families support.
October 24, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Early, your post about Revelation has nothing to do with anything, and your woefully inept interpretation of it makes you look absurd.
Revelation was almost certainly written before 100 AD, which would mean that the person who wrote it would have no way of knowing anything at all about Muslims, whose religion wouldn't even show up until after 600 AD. Nothing in that document references Islam or Muslims, nor does Revelation even mention the anti-Christ at all.
Your historical ignorance also seems to extend to not knowing much at all about why or by whom this nation was founded. Many of the earliest European settlers came to colonize America to escape religious intolerance and oppression in Europe. When the war of independence against Britain was won it was decided that freedoms from all forms of tyranny would be the top priority. When the Constitution of the United States of America was written, it was ratified only on the condition that the Bill of Rights be attached, first and foremost among them being the right to freedom of speech, religion, peaceable gathering, etc. The First Amendment does not specifically guarantee Americans the right to be any kind of *Christian* they want, it specifically guarantees Americans the right to freely belong to *ANY* religion they want.
October 24, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
it should be over by tomorrow - at least I think so - I work in downtown charleston but live west of the ashley....are your relatives still in and what branch of the military were they in......however its still supposed to be cold and i hate cold ;)
October 24, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Gator,
I'm a sister, not a brother, but you and I do share superior genetics!
October 24, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
got friends of his plus we have all his military jacket on micro fiche from DOD - but then if you were really retired military you would know that.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
No, n4dhs, my son was there in the 90's my grandson joined as soon as he turned 17 because of 9/11. He couldn't go till he turned 18. He was there for 15 months he will turn 20 next month
He was ready to defend his country even before he was old enough to vote. He is home for now but he will be going back in Jan he comes home just in time for the birth of his son in July.
October 24, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Sorry there balla, I assumed and well you know...
Superior genetics...hehehe
October 24, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and he joined in 69 and i met him in 84 so i was there for at least the last portion of his career - was also one of the few warrants to be SWOS qualified...we were gator navy for the last bit of his career - no thats not right we had two ddgs and frigate too.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
n4dhs,
Paperwork can "disappear" mind you. My records are digitized.
Now what about OB hindering or interfering in retirement bennies?
October 24, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
my thoughts and prayers are with him granny - hes doing a brave thing and there are those of us who do think that they are all heroes! - is this his first child?
October 24, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
I'm not retired anything, never claimed to be, not that old.
I do find it suspect that a wife would peruse her husband's military record, I trust my husband, would never have occurred to me to pry.
Did you check out his medical records, too?
Looking for that STD he may have picked up on R&R?
What a crock!
October 24, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Thank you I will let my son and grandson now of your thanks. But dad and grandpa are no longer with us grandpa lost his life in WWI and dad later after the war. But as I said before we need to VOTE each and every one. And no matter who is our next leader we need to support him as well. This is AMERICA WE HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH OUR LEADERS. BUT, AS TRUE AMERICANS we should protect our rights as well.OK I will get off the podium now
October 24, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
as well as ours in a safe deposit box - you need to have your records to make sure you get things done right.....the original jackets in a safe deposit box too - when our girls were little they kept looking at it since they were so young when he retired - we married when he was almost 40 and it was his first marriage - so the girls actually dont remember their father in uniform....
October 24, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
granny you have the right to be on your podium just like the rest of us..... ;)
October 24, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Early - Point taken re: Barack's credentials and associations. That makes me think of Bush's credentials compared to McCain in 2000 and how Bush played the race card here in South Carolina with the "McCain has a black child" tactic. Bush's campaign turned something honorable that McCain and his wife did by adopting an Indonesian child into something sinister. I lost all respect for Bush after that. McCain = War hero. Bush = Spoiled little rich brat, cocaine/alcohol user, whose family got him into the National Guard to avoid Vietnam. What a coward and people in this State just loved the cowboy. McCain should have been the choice in 2000.
October 24, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Left out - Alcohol Abuser.
October 24, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
i actually managed to finish my major project for today - and only one more hour and I am out of here....then off to dinner for date night.....
October 24, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
actually McCains adopted daughter is from India.....
October 24, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Gator,
The Government lost all my medical records as a military brat/ dependant, and when they automated between 2000-2005, they mixed up my son's with my husband's and it's still messed up.
Maybe the same folks who "lost" W's proof of service (AWOL) were in charge of n4dhs' husband's records, that explains why they are "clean".
October 24, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Yes it is sorry he came home this year the middle of June he was there for the birth of his son (my spelling and grammar is horrid) he will be leaving some time in Jan for deployment back to Iraq We are all very proud of him and his new family. Remember people we are all AMERICANS whether born here or naturalized ...GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
October 24, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
since he retired 15 years ago and has had his michrofiche since 95 i seriously doubt that - but just because some people are dishonest well that doesnt mean the rest of us are....
October 24, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
its ok granny - even i wont judge you on grammar and spelling - how many children does he have?
October 24, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
i just saw on the news that the Florida "hanging chad" voting machines are being sold - interesting.....
October 24, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Just the one right now. I also have a great granddaughter by my granddaughter. who, is also thinking of signing up after the baby is a year old.
October 24, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
i am also wondering what if any changes the debates really make - and no im NOT going to get into the difference between Obama and McCains speaking styles etc. - my interest is strictly those of the undecideds - i.e. does that really affect their decision....
October 24, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
my youngest (17) is thinking of joining - of course her father told her that if she joined anything but the navy he would disown her (just kidding) ;)
October 24, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLWDALFAN (anonymous) says...
BEFORE ANY OF YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA, GO TO BARNES & NOBLES AND PURCHASE HIS BOOK "THE AUDACITY OF HOPE" I THINK ONCE YOU READ IT, YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THIS MAN. IF YOU ARE FOR A CANDIDATE AND ARE ONLY VOTING BASED ON THAT PERSONS RACE, WE ARE SERIOUSLY IN TROUBLE. ACCORDING TO HIS BOOK, HE HAS A DISLIKE FOR THE WHITE MAN. ACCORDING TO HIS BOOK, HE WILL STAND BY HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS CHANGE IN AN UGLY DIRECTION. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT A PERSONS RACE. ONE QUALIFICATION I MUST HAVE, IS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL CITIZENS.
October 24, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
If you think McCain and Palin have the best interest of ALL citizens of this country, you're crazy.
October 24, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
yea - interesting book.....
October 24, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
. I have been researching both candidates, still doing so. I am still undecided. Every night when I go home I get on here and use what links people put in here as well as search on my own. And I am trying to be fair to both. And yes we only have 8 electoral votes but those votes count so I am trying got make the right choice here. So, I will keep researching till 7 am Tuesday morning November 4th.
Whether it is McCain or Barrack or even Mickey Mouse. It will be me who makes the choice. And not someone who tells me who I should vote for.
October 24, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Gator,
I'm throwing in the towel, it's Friday and I think I'll crack open a bottle of the Veuve.
You know we lefty, heathen, Article 15 wives like to get tanked up and leer at old retired Warrant Officers before we go home to our quarters and make a move on our sponsors while dreaming of Obama....
Bon Soir, mon frere, Adieu!
October 24, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
N4DHS-Compare the qualifications of McCain/palin vs. Obama/Biden. Very interesting.
October 24, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
good riddance!
October 24, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
First off JLWDALFAN, you should realize that typing in all capitol letters is the equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs. Not only does it tend to come off a little rude, it also just looks displeasing on the eye.
As far as Obama's book, you clearly haven't read it. Before spreading something that you hear from someone else you should look into it and make sure that what you're hearing is actually true. There isn't much of a difference between intentionally spreading lies and unintentionally spreading lies because you believe the ones someone else tells you.
October 24, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
fair enough kontact....to NOT do so is NOT fair to either candidate i must say.....but one of my real ? and I will ask you this also - is what effect do YOU think the debates will have on the undecideds?
October 24, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Posted by ballachulish on October 24, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gator,
I'm throwing in the towel, it's Friday and I think I'll crack open a bottle of the Veuve.
You know we lefty, heathen, Article 15 wives like to get tanked up and leer at old retired Warrant Officers before we go home to our quarters and make a move on our sponsors while dreaming of Obama....
Bon Soir, mon frere, Adieu!
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Got to love an honest woman.
October 24, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Early, we've been there and done that with the anti-Christ scare tactics. What else do you have?
And what of John McCain saying that he never loved his country until he was separated from her?
October 24, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
n4dhs-I think that the debates worked out in Obama's and Biden's favor. They both seemed composed and handled themselves presidentially. It was a shame that McCain looked so upset at Obama while he was speaking. I think McCain is a good man and argueably wouldnt be that bad of a Republican President. Still surprised that he even got the nomination actually but anyway my vote is with Obama. We need change we can believe in and not just another politicial that speaks in circles and around the issues (Palin)
October 24, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
n4dhs- Funny how the majority (72%) of the military support Obama. WOW!! Thats a interesting fact that should speak volumes about this election.
October 24, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
My youngest will vote for the first time this year. She's excited. I'm getting old...
October 24, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Coldbud-I asked my 15 year old daughter who she would vote for. She said Obama and I asked her why.Her response was that he was for the issues that affected her and our family. Kinda took me aback that a 15 year old could comprehend something of this magnitude. I also (even though i'm voting for Obama too) told her that she should always make her own mind up based on her opinions and not let others choose her choices when she gets older. She laughed and said, " Daddy, I know that, beside McCain is too old to be president, he's like 80 something!". Gotta love PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION. HA ha
October 24, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
ltgrunt.. I have to admit I haven tread his book yet haven't had time have it, but only scanned through it and have not found have of what people said he wrote in his book. I guess this will be a good time to read it this weekend while in the Charleston hotel. With my fat short legs up and my bon bons beside me with a diet Pepsi
And find all these things he was supposed to have written in his book. Anyone know the exact pages these so called things he wrote are?
October 24, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and thats why kontact - you liberals dont get it - first of I was trying to be nice - which you obviously dont get - and 2nd as always you are WRONG - the military are for McCain much more than NOBAMA!
October 24, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and granny - how dare you not prefer strawberry hagen daaz ;)
October 24, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scnativ4ever (anonymous) says...
When my daughter registered to vote, I asked her who she thought she'd be voting for. Her response was "Probably McCain". I asked her why McCain and she mumbled something about Obama never really saying anything about the issues. My honest opinion was that she was repeating what she's heard me say in the past. I told her that she needs to go to both candidates' websites and review what they have to say about the issues that are important to her and THEN make up her mind who she wanted to vote for. When she makes up her mind, if she hasn't already, I feel confident that she'll still vote for McCain. The issues that are important to my daughter are the same ones that are important to me (the economy, the wars, energy, crime and national security). When you look at the candidates stances, and even more important, their ability to be effective, on those issues, side by side, McCain is the clear choice.
Trying to explain local politics to her is going to be a lot harder.
October 24, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
the best ever political slogan i ever saw was in key west -it said vote (cant remember the name) - hes hot! - that was a great one - nothing about partisan politics or what his position on the issues - just hes hot!
October 24, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Posted by n4dhs on October 24, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. and thats why kontact - you liberals dont get it - first of I was trying to be nice - which you obviously dont get - and 2nd as always you are WRONG - the military are for McCain much more than NOBAMA!
Skippy, then explain away the fact that the largest amount of donations from active military is to OBAHMA, not McCain.
You have an opinion, just stick to the facts.
October 24, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
n4dhs-Who said I was a liberal?
October 24, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
send me the proof with a link - and if its cnn or msnbc forget it dearie.....
October 24, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
also 1 of the best bumper stickers ive ever seen was be happy, work hard and make $ - p*** off a liberal...oh and NOT the abc clip either....
October 24, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
here we go again - yawn it was amusing earlier now its just boring ..... ill watch lost instead - bye ***
October 24, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
take care granny - have a great time in Charleston this weekend - hopefully the weather will cooperate - and buy local ;)
October 24, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Sorry, I have been sitting all day reading the exchange between n4dhs, UrGatorbait, and ballachulish and I find it funny that she is asking someone else for proof of something they posted when she has spent the entire day skirting around the plea for proof from UrGatorbait. That is rich!
October 24, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
that bumper sticker is lame. I'm a liberal, I work hard (60 hours a week - how 'bout you?), and I'm happy. That sticker ticks me off every time I see one. How dare anyone generalize liberals like that. I could say the same about plenty of lazy conservatives I know.
October 24, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
oh dear the inmmates have taken over the asylum again - how trite...i work 25 hours and get paid for it - my hubby averages 50-60 so the verbal diarhea is for?
October 24, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Oh yea... well my dad can beat up your dad...
October 24, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
and i didnt have the bumper sticker someone else on i 26 did - im just telling you what i saw - i dont do political stickers for anyone and i dont listen to talk radio - even Rush - hes making millions for hardly working and i for one wont support it.....
October 24, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
Did I say I didn't like strawberry hagen daaz? I don't even know how to spell it had to copy and paste and I am too tired to go back and look. But thanks n4dhs it's a much needed weekend at least it won't be in the hospital again last three were in the hospital. But hubby will be with me so this should be a bit well we are old so what trouble could we get into. And there are no political stickers on my car so I should be safe in Charleston
October 24, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
are you ok????
October 24, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
you are welcome in charleston anytime.....
October 24, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
No, CB, my dad can beat up your dad he can drink more beers than you!
October 24, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
and ColdBud On a good day I can lick both your dads (as I give a wicked grin)
ok being bad blme it on the rain and the meds
October 24, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
now lovely that would be a GREAT bumper sticker!
October 24, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
wow granny! - you naughty girl!
October 24, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
I am patenting it right now!
October 24, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
good for you - i know the lady who owns cafe press - i bet shed love it! thats one thing about her - shes completely non partisan - she skewers everyone equally ;)
October 24, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
rgr75thlrrp, I haven't made any false or sensationalist claims about the book which would give anyone cause to doubt anything I've said. You have no call to suggest that what I have said is BS, and I have absolutely no idea what you're thinking when you suggest that I might have Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder or what bearing that might have on anything I've said.
It's also worth pointing out that having Obama serve as president and having a Democratic-majority Congress would hardly make our government socialist. If anything, it would only return us to the taxes which were in place before Bush gave a bunch of big cuts to the obscenely wealthy.
October 24, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I'll be happy when this election comes and goes. All of the negative campaigning, articles, comments, etc. etc. have been getting on my last nerves. Hence, why I dare not comment on politics here. I'm still undecided but I will have my mind made up when I get my ballot in the mail (gotta vote absentee).
OK, back in my corner now where Lovely had exiled me. Lol
October 24, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...
I guess I am being naughty, I am thinking of the weekend with just me and hubby alone in a hotel. with our little toys you know bengay and a heating pad oh and our his and her cpaps
October 24, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
rgr75-I just read that you were in Ranger Bat. I didnt know that. I was infantry too just past your time. 5-87th in Panama from 94-97. I loved the military. HOOAH!! Too bad that McCain doesnt support the increase in G.I. bill benefits to veterans. I used mine and graduated College of Charleston a couple years ago. Would have never guess he wouldnt support that.WOW!!
October 24, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
tammie vote - thats all can say to you ;) no matter who for exercise the right....
October 24, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
granny you are a hoot! - you go girl!
October 24, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
I'm sorry rgr75thlrrp, I'm having a hard time seeing anything pertinent in your insipid stereotypes and shallow, vapid generalization. You're attempting subtly insult me and cast aspersions on my arguments, but you haven't provided anything at all to consider. Without providing any meaningful commentary or a cogent argument of your own I don't see what outcome you're striving for in attempting to demean me.
October 24, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Granny, I'm bathing you in cold water, ice, and rubbing alcohol if you keep that up...lol
October 24, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
that could get - well you know ;)
October 24, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Fact check: Biden spins a helicopter tale
October 2, 2008 - 12:03am
Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., speaks at a rally in front of the Detroit Public Library in Detroit, Mich. Sunday, Sept. 28, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - When Joe Biden tells voters he understands the threat posed by Afghan extremists, he dramatically illustrates one reason why: His helicopter was "forced down" on "the superhighway of terror." Actually, snow, not the enemy, persuaded the helicopter pilot to land and wait out a storm.
.......
for the rest of the article go to :
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1489246
Why why why is this c-rap being ignored by the mainstream media?????
October 24, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
I too will be glad when this election is over. Imagine turning on the news and seeing... well... news! Imagine being able to comment on artcles without each and every one of them being turned in to a political argument.
Ahh... the good old days...
October 24, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Tam-a-lam, I think I am going to exile myself until Nov. 5th!
October 24, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
yea but then theres elections for governor etc. - these days you cant get away from it (on both sides)
October 24, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Abitske-There is a lot that the media ignores on BOTH sides. My problem is that we dont focus on the issues, all we do is sling mud back and forth. Someone tell me why I should vote for McCain and not Obama. Use policies and not personal attacks and I probaly would listen. The media's job is to sell papers and nothing else. They get paid to do that. I see why they promote the latest mud slinging and gaffes that the candidates do. How bout WE focus on the issues the rest of this Forum??
Im voting for Obama cause he said my taxes wont be raised cause I make less than 250k yearly (90-110k is my salary). That sounds wonderful to me. Im voting for him cause he WILL have people with experience in his cabinent (Colin Powell,etc...) to guide US out of the mess we are in. He doesnt seem to mind reaching across the aisles for the better good for this country. He supports a woman's right to abortion (mind you my daughter was born at a young age). He doesnt mind COMMUNICATION with rogue countries. That alone could save thousands of my brothers and sisters in the Armed forces lives cause we could maybe diplomatically come to terms with some of these rogue nations (like north korea that we just took off the list) if we just tried. Also it could give us support in the rest of the world's opinion so they could help us and we wouldnt be the ONLY police of the world. They could help us further our interest abroad. Obama also wants to tax those comapnies that take work overseas and tax the oil companies that are making record profits; I drive a BIG suv so you know where I stand on that. These are some of the reasons why people like me support Obama. Why should I back McCain? Please dont start the palling around with terrorist or muslim or hate-he-has-for-the-white-man rhetoric cause its getting old!! Tell me why we should vote for McCain and use issues!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
gee i think i just saw a pig flying by - it was kind of hard to see though with all the rain....
October 24, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
we better mooner or we are in big trouble....
October 24, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
tick tock tick tock tick tock
October 24, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
sm, I am still waiting for you to tell me which of my posts suggests that I am a racist. Oh, BTW, I have had lunch with abitskeptical and she is very intelligent and doesn't have to resort to immature, childish, and unfounded insults to get her points across, unlike you!
October 24, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
October 24, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
HELLO??ANYBODY HOME? n4dhs, serial, abitsk, rgr?? Are yall ok... TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
October 24, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Lovely..I tried to stay away from this & go into exile a bit myself, but the more I research, the more I become alarmed or concerned at the least.
I respect you & would be interested in your take of the following:
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/200...
For verification, API can be reached on 004793299739
........................................
I have been researching the Obama-Biden ticket mainly because the mainstream media seems to have refused to do this. This research has not been easy because one has to follow a trail to get to an original source or something that is not a product of an agenda driven source (virtually impossible)
What I have been looking for is not "dirt" but what I consider "red flags" or concerns. I have been trying to get a truthful grasp of all of the candidates. This is very difficult because it seems that most all of the news sources are heavily polarized in one direction or the other.
Journalistic objectivity is a lost standard.
There is plenty of "dirt", & then some, put forth day after day on McCain-Palin so no need to look for 'negatives' to consider there.
October 24, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Are yall looking thru the conservative blogs trying to find points? Are yall on McCain's website? Where did yall go? And just when I thought that we could have an intelligent debate about the FACTS!
October 24, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Method Obama McCain
Latest Poll Per State 351 184
Poll of Polls 378 157
Survey USA 303 220
Rasmussen Reports 317 221
Quinnipiac 269 128
CNN 301 150
American Research Group 316 222
Insider Advantage 224 150
Research 2000 215 157
Strategic Vision 258 128
Public Policy Polling 250 129
Mason Dixon 182 173
Zogby 271 240
Weekly National Average 49.0% 40.0%
Weighted Nat'l Avg 50.2% 43.6%
Goodbye McSame Caraboo Barbie
October 24, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
n4dhs (anonymous) says...
FACT - late night jokes about candiates hit McCain 3:1 - and thats the media being fair?
October 24, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Abit, I wish I was able to call those people and speak to them. Wow, that is a lot to digest. I would hope that Michelle wasn't dumb enough to call and say those idiotic things to people she feels are spreading lies about Barrak; lies that she says came from American bloggers.
If she feels that they are "colluding" with those "racists" to damage her husband's chances at the presidency, one would think that she would be intelligent enough not to call those people and go on a rant like it says she did.
I know that I wouldn't call people that I feel are aiding in the spread of untruths about by husband and say the stupid crap that is said in the article. That in itself is iodotic.
I cannot say for sure if I believe it or not. But, if this is factual, I would have to say that I am disappointed in and disgusted by Michelle's attitude. I will have to ponder on this one for a while. This is so crazy! WOW!
October 24, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
ABIT-I dont even have to listen to it to know that of course its another fabricated story made up to scare people about Obama. Lets get back to facts please... TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK!!!
October 24, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
You still haven't been able to point them out. So, they can't be that transparent.
And I will be sure to let my many (notice I didn't say I have one white friend) white friends know that deep down inside I really don't like them because a serial mooner said so.
Whaaaa!
October 24, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lillycollette (anonymous) says...
McCain may take SC in this election. However, it shall be -- WITHOUT -- my vote.
October 24, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Thats okay lillycollette, myself and lots of the brothers will be taking up your slack.
October 24, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
.....Today in Congress, the Liberal Socialist Democrat Leaders were hotly debating the probable need to take 401k's from average citizens and placing the money into Social Security to prop it up.
October 24, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
kontact-no- I am not a fan of blogs & do not read them.
I listen to a variety of news sources & find myself flipping from channel to channel & from radio station to station in an effort to get a broad spectrum of information. Of course not all info reflects the truth...but unless one is willing to look at a lot of various sources it will be difficult, if not impossible, to be able to discern the truth.
When I hear something that sounds odd or concerning, I will look up the name or "fact" I heard & try to verify it from a source aside from the one where I 1st heard it.
It is interesting that you assumed the story I found is fabricated. The link I gave goes directly to the African Press. Pray tell, why would they fabricate this story?
Of course I am concerned about the "issues". However when there is one piece of evidence after another that a candidate has not been truthful & even made things up while on the campaign trail, tell me how I could trust that he will do what he says he will do after he is elected?
The tax issue is a big reason I would not vote for Obama. While I am disgusted with what the GOP has done in growing this government & spending, McCain has stuck to his guns regarding earmarks. That simple fact is very telling in regards to his fiscal policy.
I have changed my mind once already regarding voting 3rd party all the way. I very well might change it again before election day.
I am not been sold on McCain or Palin.
However, if the constant barrage of ridiculous negative "news" put forth about that campaign has been intended to sway Independent voters to vote for Obama-Biden, it has backfired w/ me.
I am no fan of Hillary, but the constant negative press she got also backfired with me. It did nothing to make me consider the other candidates in the Dem primary in any better light.
October 24, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Actually kontact-I have not been to McCain's or Obama's website. But thanks for suggesting that. I'll check them both out.
October 24, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dhshjh (anonymous) says...
a popular Christian music artist
First I must say who ever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means he leads I follow.
I can't vote black because I am black I have to vote Christian because that's who I am.
there are many issues to consider, but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007. NATIONAL JOURNAL:(01/31/2008)
Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
planned parenthood gives him a 100 % ratings.
the homosexual community supports him. Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc loves him.
he said he would nominate liberal judges to the supreme court.
he voted
against the infanticide bill.
No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
no on partial birth abortion.
no on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.
The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
(Remember this is a live baby)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
God help him.
Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenants that said they have a
1. Commitment to the White Community
2. Commitment to the White Family
etc, etc
Just change the word from white to black and you have Obamas former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.
Blessings,
Huntley Brown
I've had to cut a lot of this to fit so read it for yourself. You can find it on several websites. here are some examples
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...
truthorfiction.com
October 24, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
ah...kontact...how I've missed you...
it all just boils down to what you think the fundamental purpose of government is...
I actually will fall in the range of poverty this year. I will get everything I paid in taxes back. However, when looking at tax plans, I do not believe that there is any need to raise taxes on people who are already paying the bulk of the income taxes in this country. I understand that people also pay payroll taxes...but this is money they already get back in the form of social security and medicare. Would I pay less taxes under BO? perhaps - for now - but when I am making a lot more money (once I've finished school) I think I should be able to keep what I've earned. If I am forced at the hand of the government to give up the money I have earned, then what is the point - why not just sit on my couch, watch TV, and take money someone else has earned? BTW, Kontact - your taxes won't be raised under either proposed plan...just a thought.
Rather than taxing ANYONE more, why don't they just cut needless programs. The budget is just way too big. Is this partially George Bush's fault? Yes. We have spent way too much money. I do believe that research has shown, thought, that JMs budget proposal would cost less money that BOs.
As for foreign policy - sure - good, nice people would sit down and talk. I do not believe that people that hate America just for existing will sit down and talk. They want power, and they want us to crumble. I just don't happen to agree with that philosophy when dealing with people who would just as soon spit on me.
Abortion - still no opinion...not something I will ever vote based on...
Taxing corporations (like big oil) - I have a couple comments on this. A: if you tax the oil company profits, it is going to filter down to you, the consumer...you will essentially pay any tax that they pay. B: why is it ok to give the movie industry tax breaks to stay in the US to film movies, but not ok to give other industries tax breaks to stay in America and hire American workers? see the 700 billion dollar bailout package for more info on that...and yes, both BO and JM voted for the package, so that is not really a comment about either candidate.
As for the cabinet - I believe both candidates have expressed an interest in reaching across the aisle to fill their cabinet positions. I listened to Colin Powell's reasoning behind backing BO, and it was just a lot of words - no policy reasons behind it. He wanted to go to Iraq. He wanted the troop surge. BO didn't want to do either of those things. I'm just not sure I trust Powell's reasoning here...basically, he is backing charisma. Great. I'm all for charisma. I just won't vote based on it....
October 24, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Hyperbole is the currency of presidential campaigns, but this year the nation's future truly hangs in the balance.
The United States is battered and drifting after eight years of President Bush's failed leadership. He is saddling his successor with two wars, a scarred global image and a government systematically stripped of its ability to protect and help its citizens - whether they are fleeing a hurricane's floodwaters, searching for affordable health care or struggling to hold on to their homes, jobs, savings and pensions in the midst of a financial crisis that was foretold and preventable.
As tough as the times are, the selection of a new president is easy. After nearly two years of a grueling and ugly campaign, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois has proved that he is the right choice to be the 44th president of the United States.
Mr. Obama has met challenge after challenge, growing as a leader and putting real flesh on his early promises of hope and change. He has shown a cool head and sound judgment. We believe he has the will and the ability to forge the broad political consensus that is essential to finding solutions to this nation's problems.
In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism. His policies and worldview are mired in the past. His choice of a running mate so evidently unfit for the office was a final act of opportunism and bad judgment that eclipsed the accomplishments of 26 years in Congress.
Given the particularly ugly nature of Mr. McCain's campaign, the urge to choose on the basis of raw emotion is strong. But there is a greater value in looking closely at the facts of life in America today and at the prescriptions the candidates offer. The differences are profound.
Mr. McCain offers more of the Republican every-man-for-himself ideology, now lying in shards on Wall Street and in Americans' bank accounts. Mr. Obama has another vision of government's role and responsibilities.
In his convention speech in Denver, Mr. Obama said, "Government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves: protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology."
Since the financial crisis, he has correctly identified the abject failure of government regulation that has brought the markets to the brink of collapse.
October 24, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
The Economy
The American financial system is the victim of decades of Republican deregulatory and anti-tax policies. Those ideas have been proved wrong at an unfathomable price, but Mr. McCain - a self-proclaimed "foot soldier in the Reagan revolution" - is still a believer.
Mr. Obama sees that far-reaching reforms will be needed to protect Americans and American business.
Mr. McCain talks about reform a lot, but his vision is pinched. His answer to any economic question is to eliminate pork-barrel spending - about $18 billion in a $3 trillion budget - cut taxes and wait for unfettered markets to solve the problem.
Mr. Obama is clear that the nation's tax structure must be changed to make it fairer. That means the well-off Americans who have benefited disproportionately from Mr. Bush's tax cuts will have to pay some more. Working Americans, who have seen their standard of living fall and their children's options narrow, will benefit. Mr. Obama wants to raise the minimum wage and tie it to inflation, restore a climate in which workers are able to organize unions if they wish and expand educational opportunities.
Mr. McCain, who once opposed President Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy as fiscally irresponsible, now wants to make them permanent. And while he talks about keeping taxes low for everyone, his proposed cuts would overwhelmingly benefit the top 1 percent of Americans while digging the country into a deeper fiscal hole.
October 24, 2008 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
National Security
The American military - its people and equipment - is dangerously overstretched. Mr. Bush has neglected the necessary war in Afghanistan, which now threatens to spiral into defeat. The unnecessary and staggeringly costly war in Iraq must be ended as quickly and responsibly as possible.
While Iraq's leaders insist on a swift drawdown of American troops and a deadline for the end of the occupation, Mr. McCain is still talking about some ill-defined "victory." As a result, he has offered no real plan for extracting American troops and limiting any further damage to Iraq and its neighbors.
Mr. Obama was an early and thoughtful opponent of the war in Iraq, and he has presented a military and diplomatic plan for withdrawing American forces. Mr. Obama also has correctly warned that until the Pentagon starts pulling troops out of Iraq, there will not be enough troops to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
Mr. McCain, like Mr. Bush, has only belatedly focused on Afghanistan's dangerous unraveling and the threat that neighboring Pakistan may quickly follow.
Mr. Obama would have a learning curve on foreign affairs, but he has already showed sounder judgment than his opponent on these critical issues. His choice of Senator Joseph Biden - who has deep foreign-policy expertise - as his running mate is another sign of that sound judgment. Mr. McCain's long interest in foreign policy and the many dangers this country now faces make his choice of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska more irresponsible.
Both presidential candidates talk about strengthening alliances in Europe and Asia, including NATO, and strongly support Israel. Both candidates talk about repairing America's image in the world. But it seems clear to us that Mr. Obama is far more likely to do that - and not just because the first black president would present a new American face to the world.
Mr. Obama wants to reform the United Nations, while Mr. McCain wants to create a new entity, the League of Democracies - a move that would incite even fiercer anti-American furies around the world.
Unfortunately, Mr. McCain, like Mr. Bush, sees the world as divided into friends (like Georgia) and adversaries (like Russia). He proposed kicking Russia out of the Group of 8 industrialized nations even before the invasion of Georgia. We have no sympathy for Moscow's bullying, but we also have no desire to replay the cold war. The United States must find a way to constrain the Russians' worst impulses, while preserving the ability to work with them on arms control and other vital initiatives.
Both candidates talk tough on terrorism, and neither has ruled out military action to end Iran's nuclear weapons program. But Mr. Obama has called for a serious effort to try to wean Tehran from its nuclear ambitions with more credible diplomatic overtures and tougher sanctions. Mr. McCain's willingness to joke about bombing Iran was frightening.
October 24, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
The Constitution and the Rule of Law
Under Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the justice system and the separation of powers have come under relentless attack. Mr. Bush chose to exploit the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, the moment in which he looked like the president of a unified nation, to try to place himself above the law.
Mr. Bush has arrogated the power to imprison men without charges and browbeat Congress into granting an unfettered authority to spy on Americans. He has created untold numbers of "black" programs, including secret prisons and outsourced torture. The president has issued hundreds, if not thousands, of secret orders. We fear it will take years of forensic research to discover how many basic rights have been violated.
Both candidates have renounced torture and are committed to closing the prison camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
But Mr. Obama has gone beyond that, promising to identify and correct Mr. Bush's attacks on the democratic system. Mr. McCain has been silent on the subject.
Mr. McCain improved protections for detainees. But then he helped the White House push through the appalling Military Commissions Act of 2006, which denied detainees the right to a hearing in a real court and put Washington in conflict with the Geneva Conventions, greatly increasing the risk to American troops.
The next president will have the chance to appoint one or more justices to a Supreme Court that is on the brink of being dominated by a radical right wing. Mr. Obama may appoint less liberal judges than some of his followers might like, but Mr. McCain is certain to pick rigid ideologues. He has said he would never appoint a judge who believes in women's reproductive rights.
October 24, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
The Candidates
It will be an enormous challenge just to get the nation back to where it was before Mr. Bush, to begin to mend its image in the world and to restore its self-confidence and its self-respect. Doing all of that, and leading America forward, will require strength of will, character and intellect, sober judgment and a cool, steady hand.
Mr. Obama has those qualities in abundance. Watching him being tested in the campaign has long since erased the reservations that led us to endorse Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries. He has drawn in legions of new voters with powerful messages of hope and possibility and calls for shared sacrifice and social responsibility.
Mr. McCain, whom we chose as the best Republican nominee in the primaries, has spent the last coins of his reputation for principle and sound judgment to placate the limitless demands and narrow vision of the far-right wing. His righteous fury at being driven out of the 2000 primaries on a racist tide aimed at his adopted daughter has been replaced by a zealous embrace of those same win-at-all-costs tactics and tacticians.
He surrendered his standing as an independent thinker in his rush to embrace Mr. Bush's misbegotten tax policies and to abandon his leadership position on climate change and immigration reform.
Mr. McCain could have seized the high ground on energy and the environment. Earlier in his career, he offered the first plausible bill to control America's emissions of greenhouse gases. Now his positions are a caricature of that record: think Ms. Palin leading chants of "drill, baby, drill."
Mr. Obama has endorsed some offshore drilling, but as part of a comprehensive strategy including big investments in new, clean technologies.
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Mr. Obama has withstood some of the toughest campaign attacks ever mounted against a candidate. He's been called un-American and accused of hiding a secret Islamic faith. The Republicans have linked him to domestic terrorists and questioned his wife's love of her country. Ms. Palin has also questioned millions of Americans' patriotism, calling Republican-leaning states "pro-America."
This politics of fear, division and character assassination helped Mr. Bush drive Mr. McCain from the 2000 Republican primaries and defeat Senator John Kerry in 2004. It has been the dominant theme of his failed presidency.
The nation's problems are simply too grave to be reduced to slashing "robo-calls" and negative ads. This country needs sensible leadership, compassionate leadership, honest leadership and strong leadership. Barack Obama has shown that he has all of those qualities.
ANYONE WANT TO TAKE A GUESS WHO THE NEWSLESS COURIER WILL ENDORSE. DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE AS THOUGHTFUL?
October 24, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
....Today in Congress, the Liberal Socialist Democrat Leaders were hotly debating the probable need to take 401k's from average citizens and placing the money into Social Security to prop it up...
October 24, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
"Mr. Obama has withstood some of the toughest campaign attacks ever mounted against a candidate."
Surely you jest.
I guess "toughest campaign attacks" are in the eye of the beholder(just ask Hillary). Just wish there were more objective beholders.
Remember however, that the truth can be tough.
October 24, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gneubeck (anonymous) says...
You can gain a clearer insight into Obama's psyche by taking a closer look at Michelle. The characteristically angry, "Hate America", Michelle Obama experienced a Hollywood makeover for her DNC convention speech that will beguile the "willing dupes" in the electorate. You could almost see her gag when she had to recite Obama's handler's line about "loving her country." But, her previous well-publicized radical associations; and, her multiple attempts to trash our Nation, will betray her scripted persona. It was a foregone conclusion that the Obama handlers would have Michelle with a smile-cast to cover-up her normally angry countenance, and chain-locked to the teleprompter with their carefully scripted commentary so as to obscure the prospective 1st lady's deeply angry disposition towards America. What a tragic example for our children; what a disastrous blow to societal cohesion at home; what a disconcerting message to our friends and allies; and, what a comforting message to our fanatical opponents abroad; to see a woman who has expressed her beliefs that: "our souls are broken in this nation"; "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor"; "America is a nation that was founded on crime and hatred"; "we're a country that is just downright mean."; "We're a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents."; "America is guided by fear, and getting worse all the time."; and, laments that she will face, "further integration and/or assimilation into a white culture and social structure"; to have a potential opportunity to secure the White House itself as the platform for her hate-filled dictum. And, of note to practicing Christians in our society, is Michelle's pledge that: "Barack will be tireless in keeping legal the practice of partial birth abortions". All of this from a woman who has benefited enormously from affirmative actions which she conveniently neglected to mention in the convention speech! Along with her husband's long-term subversive associations, his immersion in seditious anti-American diatribe; and, his recent proclamation: "I don't want that (referring to America in its current form) for my little girls.", has indeed revealed the Obamas as the real-life Manchurian Couple; and, certainly explains Obama's proclamation: "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the military." The program that Obama has referred to is "Public Allies", of which Michelle is the Executive Director of the Chicago Chapter; and, which consists of government-funded reeducation camps where Amercan youth are brainwashed into thinking "America is a racist, oppressive place in need of social change." Greg Neubeck
October 24, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
mkris-Thank you for giving FACTS as to why WE will both be voting for Obama!!
Dogwood-Glad to hear your doing ok; As for the tax issue you might want to do a lil more research cause independant research has shown that they both will keep us about the same taxwise. And its hard to critique a man like Colin Powell because of his vast knowledge. He's not only a registered republican but he even served in the Bull@#$, I mean Bush administration. He left because of policy differences he had with the rest of the administration. If he and countless other republicans are questioning the decisions that McCain has made this election it should make the general population question those decisions also. ANd on the tax break issue Obama wants to curtail ALL tax breaks to companies. And the crazy thing McCain wants to balance the budget in 4 years.HOW?? If the corporations are getting tax break then who will pay?? In 4 years at that.
Evilidiot-Since when was Obama running for chief of police of the United States of America?? I didnt know thats what he was running for. OHH you mean he was the law enforcement in Chicago? So what your saying is Senators are responsible for crime in their communities?? WOW!!
dhshjh-ever thought that these bills were presented with some other piece of nonsense trash that was tacked on along with the bill and Obama voted NO? Stop believing everything you read or at least do research and see what motives the sources have. There is a million authors out there and im sure there is a million diferent motives for them writing their articles. Just depends on whom their writings are catered to. AND PLEASE DONT USE RELIGION TO TO JUSTIFY VOTING FOR ANYONE SPECIFIC CANDIDATE. Thats the most B.S. thing anyone can do. If you so Christian (and I am)then how could you vote for McCain who supports the death penalty?? WOW!! And on the black issue-trust me if you lived the life of a educated young black man in America then you could see how people use race to make decisions and/or opinions when it comes to us and our culture. ie when a young black man in the city puts rims on his car its refered to as ghetto by mainstream America; why when a young white male puts a lift kit and big tires on a truck and lives in coosaw creek its looked at differently. There is a double standard in America that hard to explain buts it IS there. If there wasnt then we wouldnt be having a dialogue about race every day on these same posts. Anyway I plan on voting for Obama and not Rev. Wright nor Mr. Ayers.
Now that I have that cleared up could we please get some facts on the issues now.
TICK TOCK TOCK TOCK TIK TOCK
October 24, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Gueneck or whatever- Thats why she married a half white lawyer so she could spread that hate for America??
Once again could anyone please address the issues and stop this nonsense!! Im going to get a drink (alcohol)and when I come back I will check for any intelligence here
October 24, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
fascinating-
mkris presents no backup site to the post, but kontact sees what he/she wrote as "FACT".
kontact-it seems that verbiage lining up with what you want to think is seen by you as FACT & that which does not support your "opinion" you dismiss as "fabricated", not an ISSUE, not intelligent, nonsense.....a little biased are you perhaps...?
The FACT IS the African Press published one article I referenced & they invite calls for verification, & the Associated Press published the other, not a blog, not the McCain website.
Tell us what your exact definition of a FACT is & then maybe we can have an intelligent debate.
October 24, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Ok Ive taken a shower and all and still no comments -Im going to bed now but I promise to check first thing in the morning for credible comments. Good nite all!!!
October 24, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Abitskeptical, I have doubts about that API article. The article provides no source, no reliable citation, and their only attempt at legitimization is to suggest that curious readers call an API telephone number, where an API staff member will explain how an API claim is true. That sounds an awful lot like making a claim and then arguing that it's true because you say it's true.
There seems to be a lot of bluster on various websites about the alleged call, but the only true-believers are the far-right zealots, conspiracy theorists and various others of the tinfoil hat crowd. The API keeps talking about releasing the tapes, but won't make good on the promise, which absolutely screams that the entire story is a sham. It's telling that the only US "news" outlet that API will even talk to is Fox News, already well-known for a conservative, right-wing bias. Although it is amusing that the API has already failed to meet their own promised deadlines for producing any tapes of the alleged incident. If I had to guess, I would speculate that this is probably a case of an organization pretending to be a reputable news outlet telling an outright lie because they thought they were small enough to get away with it.
October 25, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Well, that explains why people here don't like Obama. No one in South Carolina has favored the idea of investing in South Carolina's schools for generations. The nerve of that man, to suggest that our children should get a better education! How dare he!
October 25, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
EviGenius, you rant, quote sketchy "news" and right wing nut "opinion" articles and then form a diatribe to spew and miss the whole point of the endorsment posted!
THE NEWSLESS COURIER WILL ENDORSE MCCAIN/ PALIN. That was pre-ordained at the beginning of the election cycle. When the Newsless Courier writes the endorsment will they be as eloquent and anylitical as the NY Times or, as usual, do a little bashing and in less than a paragraph tell eveyone in Charleston to vote McCain explaining as they usually do, Republican, good - Democrat evil? Don't bet the farm.
October 25, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Facts from RELIABLE UNBIASED sources please!!
October 25, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
ItGrunt-I understand having doubts. Really I do.
However, I find it absolutely fascinating that it is being dismissed so easily & just on the say so from the Obama camp that the call was not made. Can you imagine the press taking anything at face value coming from the McCain camp? Be real.
I truly do not know if what you said about Fox news (being the only news organization reporting this) is true or not because I did not hear of this on any news. I was Googling something else & independently found this article.
I guess if I had a blind loyalty to the Obama campaign I would refuse to consider it. Frankly I do not know what I think, but I am not going to dismiss it totally without more evidence. The website looks as official as any other & certainly deals with many more issues aside from that one.
One of the reasons I have such high respect & regard for Lovely is that she has an intellectual curiosity & keeps her mind open--that things might not be as they seem or that things might be disappointing relative to what she initially believes.
I believe she tries to see the truth, regardless of her own personal opinions & desires. That is why I asked her what her take on that article is. I might not end up agreeing with her, but then again I might. At least I know that she gave it some THOUGHT & did not in knee jerk fashion dismiss it because she did not want to believe it.
October 25, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Abit-
Thanks for the respect. I was on that site for about 6 hours after you sent it and it is very interesting. I am still "a bit skeptical" (just a play on your name, but it fis...Lol) but I am on "wait and see" mode now.
I also Googled a little more about this and it says that API claimed they were in negotiations with Fox News but Fox News is denying any dealings with them.
From reading the posts by the posters and following their links it says that Berg (the lawywer suing Obama) has the tapes and others say that "something huge" will hit the fan next week and it will not be good for the Obama camp.
This sounds like they are referring to the tapes and if the tapes are authentic and Michelle did say those things, she will have some "serious 'splaining to do."
However, API has been promising the tapes for the past 2 weeks (according to their site) and have been postponing the release date for one reason or another. I hope Mr. Korir (the editor for API) is being truthful and this isn't a hoax because that will spell trouble for the McCain camp as people will try to balme him for being in cahoots with API to ruin Barak's chances at the seat. We will see!
October 25, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Also, I don't understand why our news outlets here haven't at least said something about these tapes. This story is HUGE no matter how it plays out. Covering this up is just crazy.
October 25, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
serialmooner,
Yes, good day to you as well; however, you still haven't told me what I said to warrant being called a racist and leads you to believe that I don't like white people. Or was all of that said in the heat of some battle that I was not aware that we were ingaged in?
October 25, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gneubeck (anonymous) says...
The Manchurian candidate becomes a reality. In perhaps the greatest irony in American history an individual who: because of numerous long-term subversive associations, and his immersion in seditious anti-American diatribe; admitted heavy drug use; and, failure to produce a certifiable birth certificate -COULD NOT PASS a basic FBI background check for an initial security clearance, is considered to be a serious contender for the Presidency of the United States! How is it possible that a man who is widely recognized as the least experienced; and, most radical far-left extremist ever nominated by a major political party could beguile so many simply because, while anchored to a teleprompter, he's a SLICK TALKER? A man who, was a principal architect of the mortgage meltdown; and, an individual who labored feverishly to engineer an American defeat in Iraq. In perhaps the ONLY forthright moment of his extended campaign, Barack "ACORN" Obama, while being interviewed on ABC, lamented the dispersions frequently cast against: "MY MUSLIM FAITH". A comment Colin Powell followed-up with: "So what if he is a Muslim". The ascendancy of this charlatan, along with his characteristically angry, "Hate America" wife, Michelle Obama, to the Presidency would unquestionably mark the portending demise of our Constitutional Republic that so many have shed their precious blood to nurture and preserve. Greg Neubeck
October 25, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KnowAllSeeAll (anonymous) says...
Who really cares? Both "main party" candidates stink. Sorry, let me choose a better set of words. They reak of stinkiocity. But, in a little more than three months, one of them is going to have the keys to the Oval Office. I cannot bring myself to support either one of them based on the issues they support, but I say, regardless of who wins, let's at least let the fair-and-square winner have a chance to prove himself before we destroy his character. The last two holders of the Oval Office couldn't so much as tie their shoelaces without being criticized for how they did it, and I say it's high time we got away from that.
Oh, and to comment directly on the article: I'd be pretty surprised if South Carolina does go blue this year. Hasn't happened since 1976, and probably would not have but for the fact that Jimmy Carter was from neighboring Georgia. But, I 'spose you never can tell. Conventional wisdom is starting to go out the window.
October 25, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
McCain is an angry old man and Palin is simply a doorknob.
Say hello to President Obamha. Vice president Biden.
Republicans will lose this time, thier policies have been complete failures. Two wars, Wall Street deregulation was a bust. Tax cuts were another bust leaving a deficit for the next generation.
October 25, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonhome (anonymous) says...
For those of you so angry that SC will overwhelmingly vote for McCain, Delta is ready when you are.........one of the many benefits of a free republic (not a socialist country), you can move anywhere!
October 25, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
The McCain campaign is in sad shape. When a young white female campaign worker sees how bad the campaign is going and has to resort to the "common" racist tactic of blaming a black man for a "made-up" crime, "you betcha" it's not going well.
Specifically, the young woman said a 6'4 black man attacked her and carved a "B" on her face because she had a McCain sticker. The made-up "boogey-man" also, of course, robbed her.
Well, Fox News, of course, was the only sucker from prime time that played up the story, which was quickly deemed a hoax, and Fox had mud on its face. And likewise, the McCain campaign jumped on this, but when they found it was a hoax, quickly distanced themselves. This little liar even got condolences from Sarah and Todd Palin.
Mercy!
October 25, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Now now preachlove-using the obvious pathological behavior of one person to get in digs against McCain-Palin is a bit specious.
I heard this story on several mainstream news outlets.
I also heard that the Obama campaign, as well, graciously offered condolences to, well wishes & prayers for the young woman. Everyone took her at her word until it became clear she was lying.
What would you have the McCain camp do now? Embrace her with open arms? What in the world would you have to say about that? Ha!
Now just be honest & admit that as far as McCain-Palin are concerned it really is damn if they do & damn if they don't, on most everything, isn't it?
October 25, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
abit.. - what other "Prime Time" (as I said) news outlets did you hear it on besides the "purely conservative leaning and biased" Fox news before it was deemed a hoax? Fox was the only one that ran with it initially. CNN and the others did jump on it because they were "skeptical."
And, yes, the Obama campaign did offer their condolences and that was gracious of them to do so. McCain and Palin could have shown that type of gracious class at their campain rallies when supporters yelled "kill him" and "terrorist" and "Arab" etc.
"You betcha"
October 25, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
preachlove-As I said before, I constantly flip back & forth between channels. I heard several blips about this story. I am pretty sure they all were NOT from Fox because I listen to CNN, MSNBC as well as ABC, NBC, CBS, as well as radio outlets-including NPR.
Regarding the TV-most of the time I am not "watching" but listening as I do something else, so I will concede that it is possible I am mistaken as to sources if I was not paying full attention to what channel was on.
However, I also heard on that 1st day, before it was deemed a hoax on the 2nd day, at least one talking head say something to the effect of "This story is very strange & it seems suspicious that the victim has not sought medical treatment, so we'll have to wait & see how this plays out".
I remember that comment specifically because I had the same feeling. It was one of the first things that made me skeptical that things went according to her report(i.e.it got my antennae twitching)-the refusal of medical attention.
But, then, according to your information that Fox was the only outlet initially running w/ this story, this comment of doubt had to be on Fox as well.
October 25, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
And as ususal, you again miss the point. It's an endorsment - and identified as such. Republicans are great at distracting from the point. The NY Times endorsment (not a blog), which was identified, was thought out. Will the Newsless Courier do the same when it endorses McSame? No, it will be like your diatribes, short on reasoning long on its usual blather of republicans good, democrats bad.
October 25, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dhshjh (anonymous) says...
kontact
How dare you compare a murderer, sentenced to death to....The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
(Remember this is a live baby)
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
God help him.
This is an innocent child that hasn't done anything to anyone. And "YOU" claim to be a christian.
And I didn't write the post a BLACK musician did. I just copied it just for you.
I am also not a true South Carolinian. I am from Newark NJ and I know the ghetto. So wipe your tears and grow out of the past. You are no longer a slave. In fact you never were. I know many black men that have raised up out of the ghetto. Not my problem if you don't know how.
Also know many white boys who have gone though the same thing you are talking about.
It is not about black or white.
October 26, 2008 at 1:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
ObamaBinBiden or McCain is so old he's Palin...
Socialist/Marxist or Liberal/Moderate pretending to be GOP?
I'll go with the old dude that has a strong rooted maverick GOP future first female POTUS
McInsane isn't near the maverick Palin is... she has a real future and this country will be extremely lucky to have her as POTUS in 2012
you people voting for the Obamanation have no clue what you are voting for, and if he wins you will regret that vote until the day you die... which may be sooner than you think under his leadership
the dude isn't even allowed by our constitution to run for POTUS because he isn't a natural born citizen, with two different lawsuits against him to prove it before the election because he refuses to bring out his real birth certificate
how can you look over that??? that's like throwing our entire constitution away because you're too scared someone will call you a racist for pointing out the fact that he isn't qualified???
and you people are OK with throwing our constitution out the window??
wow.... where do you go from there...
October 26, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
preachlove, had it been a black woman Obama supporter with a M carved in her face I would have been just as outraged if it had been true
that's a humanity issue, not a race issue
12% of the population is responsible for over 70% of the crime, 90% of Black Americans will vote for Obama makes it more believable that it might have been a black male... that wasn't racist, it was merely an attempt to make it more believable
even blacks say they worry when they hear footsteps behind them until they look back and see it's just a white guy
now had that been a black women with an M carved on her face that LIE would have been published worldwide by the mass media in seconds... just as the Duke Lacrosse LIE was
that was a lie of opportunity, not racism... still wrong of course, but she tried to make it more believable
October 26, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Again EvilGenius, you tip toe around the fact you were WRONG again. A blog is not the NY TImes. NY Times is a paper of record, like the International Herald Tribune, Washington Post, the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune. Americanthinker.com is a partisan right wing nut blog created to spread propaganda to the unthinking.
Still you ignore the issue, will the inevitable endorsment of McBush./ Caraboo Barbie by the Newsless-Courier compare with the NY Times endorsment in terms of its reasoning. The Newsless-Courier would endorse a Caraboo as long as it has an "R" next to its name. Either way anyone who reads this paper can expect the Newsless Courier to endorse McBush/ Caraboo Barbie with its patented "republican good, democrat bad" propaganda. The Newsless Courier's editorial pages are a joke with no semblence of balance or thinking, just the same old rehash of republican talking points.
October 26, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
REad it and weep, Evil Genius....
Daily Poll Summary - October 26, 2008
Rasmussen: Obama 52, McCain 44.
Gallup: Obama 52, McCain 43.
Zogby: Obama 49, McCain 44.
Hotline: Obama 50, McCain 42.
IBD: Obama 47, McCain 43.
ABC: Obama 53, McCain 44.
AVERAGE: Obama 51, McCain 43. (Obama +8%).
New York, Marist Poll 10/21-22: Obama 65%, McCain 29%.
Say hello President Obama.......
October 26, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
wow mkris, I don't think I can think of another time in history that someone was so ridiculously outspent and was only single digits behind in bogus polls... gee that should give you warm fuzzy's
Obama's practically got his own TV show and might as well own the newspapers as well, what with all the add pages and television time he's bought... but in the polls by the people he's bought he's only single digits ahead???
I'd fire someone if I were him... lol
the last cpl of days Obama's numbers have been dropping while McCain's are rising...
October 26, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Interesting that the mainstream media hasn't focused on this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12250...
October 27, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
I looked at the WSJ and its called an opinion piece, not news.... And the Wall Street Journal Editorial pages are notoriously right wing republican, so of course they reflect your point of view. Its like yelling in a canyon... you get to hear your own voice in the echo.
October 28, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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