Clyburn: Obama has shot in S.C.
U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said Barack Obama could win South Carolina, especially if he decides to pay a visit.
U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
"It would have a tremendous impact," Clyburn said of a possible Obama visit before Election Day.
"I think if he were to come to this state even one time between now and the election, he could very well carry this state. I think he needs a bump, so to speak."
South Carolina has long been considered deep red turf, a solid state for Republican John McCain, and Obama has not visited here since the January primary.
Obama's most recent campaign schedule shows no stops for him in the South through Saturday, but vice presidential candidate Joe Biden is scheduled to make three stops in North Carolina today.
Clay Middleton, Obama's South Carolina political director, said he has asked that Obama visit here, "but we just don't know if he'll be able to come. We're hoping."
Obama surrogates such as TV Judge Glenda Hatchett and actress Phylicia Rashad plan to campaign here for Obama.
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Rashad will be in Charleston on Tuesday, Middleton said.
Clyburn said the nation's financial meltdown and tumbling stock market have improved Obama's odds here.
"I think it's still a long shot, but it's not as long a shot today as it was a month ago," he said. "People are beginning to see we've got to have new leadership."
South Carolina Republican Chairman Katon Dawson said Clyburn has probably spent too much time in Washington talking to his friends.
He said Obama-Biden "is the most liberal ticket to hit South Carolina in my lifetime.
"Certainly it would be exciting to the Democratic Party to have a visit, just like it would be exciting for us to see John McCain or Sarah Palin, but with poll numbers the way they are in
South Carolina, we have a very comfortable lead and we're working very hard to keep it that way."
Clyburn also said Democrats have a good chance on Nov. 4 of picking up one of the state's four congressional seats now held by Republicans. "Which one I don't know," he said. "I've not seen any numbers. I'll know in a few days."
Dawson disagreed on that point too. "We're working very hard to make sure our Republicans return to Washington."
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moonpie (anonymous) says...
When you say "people see we have got to have new leadership" do you include yourself in the turn over of out with the old and in with the new?
Obama has no chance in SC and you just guranteed that.
October 23, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Obama has a good chance at the Presidency, but he has no chance of winning SC. As with the Clinton years, at least we can say "We told you so".
October 23, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
I don't trust Obama. He just doesn't have any experience. He is to much of a rookie. Then all those strange people he associates himself with. And his church ... oh that church is just so awful and terrifying the way they preach so much racism and hate.
And he campaigned for that Odinga man in Kenya who was tied to the mass murder of over 1500 Christians and the burning of Christian Churches with women and children inside. I remember seeing Obama on CNN campaigning for Odinga. Obama flew to Kenya as a US Senator, and we paid for it all.
With all of this and more, and on 143 days in the Senate with mostly "present" votes, I would never trust Obama one bit.
October 23, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ms_lady2u (anonymous) says...
yada yada yada.....& Palin would be the perfect canidate..*eye-rolling* (Tides) Obama would not lose an ounce of sleep over you not trusting him!
October 23, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
ms_lady2u. Why are you so mean spirited? Do you always attack people like you do?
I guess the next thing is you will be calling me or others a racist.
October 23, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joldham (anonymous) says...
If they do lose, the GOP would be wise to regroup and rebuild from scratch; scrap the current leadership and, most importantly, purge the party of the "national greatness," neoconservative influence. Big-government conservatism has bloated the federal government, bogged us down in what will ultimately be a trillion-dollar war, and set us down the road to European-style socialism. It's hard to think of how Obama could be worse. He'll just be bad in different ways.
October 23, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Posted by ms_lady2u on October 23, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yada yada yada.....& Palin would be the perfect canidate..*eye-rolling* (Tides) Obama would not lose an ounce of sleep over you not trusting him!
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For being a silly Liberal Socialist at least you have just enough intelligence to understand that Gov. Sarah Palin from Alaska would be the perfect canidate (oops, I mean candidate).
Frankly I for one could care less about what clyburn or obama thinks about South Carolina. Clyburn is in congress because Socialist Democrats hand crafted a special district he would have a hard time losing in.
Obama was "given" the candidate position by the Liberal Socialist Lunatic leaders that run the Democrat party.
TALK ABOUT THE ULTAMATE AFFIRMITIVE ACTION.
October 23, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyeinthesky (anonymous) says...
Clyburn has a chance of flying if he jumps off the Cooper River Bridge..... Well more of a chance than Obama has of winning South Carolina!
October 23, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Serious request for Obama supporters -
I am a conservative but I will set that aside for the moment. I will also set aside the negative associations Obama has been accused of. I will do this because it is so important to my country and my family.
I have really tried but I can not understand what Obama's qualifications are and how whatever they are they are greater then even Palin's qualifications were she to be running for president. Would some of you explain in positive facts why he has any qualification other then being an excellent public speaker. No mud slinging from any side just positive reasons why he is qualified. If you want to pursue "change" please explain the change as even the most far out candidate will bring a "change". I understand this may sound like a suspicious question from a conservative but I seriously can't understand what Obama has done that prepares him for the job. Finally this does not include that he is liberal. I lean conservative and you would lean liberal that is not the qualification that I am looking to understand. What leadership and management skills has he proven to possess to lead our country over the record of others. Keep in mind that "anyone would be better then Bush" would include you and I and please keep race out of it. Convince me that even though I am conservative and he is liberal that he is an accomplished leader for the strongest country in the world.
October 23, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
prosperous_hb (anonymous) says...
Personally, I don't care how QUALIFIED you are - the question we have to ask ourselves is who can get the job done. No, Obama may not be qualified, but I think I would rather take my chances with him rather than McPalin
October 23, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tigerrecord (anonymous) says...
tc1,
The answer is in your question. If we were voting on a guy that would be our campaign manager, he would probably be the most qualified. However, we are not.
He hasn't led anything, ever. He's never run a business, led a town, a city, a state, or a national government. He wouldn't even know how to make payroll if one of those payroll for dummies books came flying and hit him in the face. Tax and Spend. Then sue the hell out of them when you don't get your way.
I for one am not buying into the Change concept. What we don't need is change based upon the concept of hope. Those aren't platforms on which America can rely on. It's election trickery, and electing the most liberal, under-qualified candidate ever will be a disaster.
Don't buy a Yugo, and expect it to be a Porsche, because it's shiny. You'll still be buying a piece of junk.
October 23, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ms_lady2u (anonymous) says...
I'm not that sensitive about the race game, it is what it is! this is an opinion board right?
October 23, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
I know I brought three Obama voters with me when I moved here and my neighbor is new with two as well. We keep coming and the demographics will change. I do not know that Obama can take SC but all he really needs is Virginia or NC anyway.
October 23, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
rgr75thlrrp wrote;
Obama does not care about SC. He is already celebrating his victory, so we must start thinking of how we are going to deal with the Dem's running the gov't. It may be time to go overseas for a few years while everything falls apart.
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REALLY? REALLY? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME? FIRST OFF, BY YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU MUST BE WRITING THAT POST FROM ENGLAND, BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY IS AS DOWN AS CAN BE.
SECONDLY, GO AHEAD AND LEAVE, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR WAY. AND YES, COME BACK, LATER, WHEN YOU WANT TO, TRAITOR.
October 23, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tigerrecord (anonymous) says...
The demographics won't change. This is SC, just like the Northeast isn't going to change. Get a grip.
October 23, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
2008 SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY RESULTS
BARACK OBAMA - 295,091 VOTES
JOHN MCCAIN - 143,224 VOTES
TOTAL DEMOCRATIC VOTES - 532,227
TOTAL REPUBLICAN VOTES - 431,196
CLYBURN IS RIGHT!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-...
October 23, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
Last I checked Southerners were not migrating to the North East at the same rate. Scares you just a little doesn't it?
October 23, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
I would not be surprised if Al Quida launches some kind of attack before Election Day to help the Republican ticket with their fear mongering. They need McSame to continue to grow their organization and spread hate towards the US.
October 23, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
evilgenius,
100,000 democratic voters could switch to your side, and it still wouldn't be enough!
besides, i'm just pointing out the turnout, and how, yea, Clyburn isn't that far off. no one can accurately decide how people who voted for the other candidates will vote in the presidential election.
but you can count this Edwards boy for Obama!
October 23, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GATiger (anonymous) says...
And he campaigned for that Odinga man in Kenya who was tied to the mass murder of over 1500 Christians and the burning of Christian Churches with women and children inside. I remember seeing Obama on CNN campaigning for Odinga. Obama flew to Kenya as a US Senator, and we paid for it all.
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Um...not at all like how the Republicans bankrolled Iraq in the early 80's. Not like that. Nope.
October 23, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by newto843 on October 23, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know I brought three Obama voters with me when I moved here and my neighbor is new with two as well. We keep coming and the demographics will change. I do not know that Obama can take SC but all he really needs is Virginia or NC anyway.
Now the word from yird
In the sixties we had the freedom bus riders coming down from the northeast to correct problems here that were pandemic in their own region.
History repeats itself as the northern liberals/socialists once again attempt to impose their will on us.
In 1967 SC schools were integrated without a hitch. In the mid seventies school buses were still being overturned in Michigan in protest against busing while students bused in from West Roxbury to South Boston had to have police escorts to prevent the locals from interfering.
Those of you 781,313,609,212 and similarly located geniuses could leave 843 and 803 and you probably would not be missed.
You might even try getting your own houses (read demographics)in order!
October 23, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
onedeep (anonymous) says...
All of you talk about Obama's qualifications (or lack of) for being President, but let me ask you this:
Name one candidate for President of the United States of America that at some point previously has been President of the United States of America.
Answer: 0
Do you really think being a Governor is similar to being the President? Or being a fighter pilot? Or being a US Senator? Of course not! No one has experience in being the President unless they have already been the president. McCain, Obama, Palin, and Biden are all have equal experience in this particular race.
So to say one candidate shouldn't be President over another because he doesn't have any experience being President is a an insane argument. Because all of them will be learning on the job.
October 23, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
GetSerious,
Though I may not agree with all of your response it is an answer. I want to avoid an argument as opposed to agreeing to disagree. But I take exception to the following:
"But conservatives, by nature, want to conserve the status quo. They fear change of any kind and do not like it."
There are fanatics on both sides of the fence and hopefully not in the majority on either side. I do not fear change and Know from many years of living that like it or not it happens and can not be stopped. This conservative wants to know specificaly what the change is, how the change will be an improvement, are the odds good that it will help more then it will hurt and at what cost to quality of life and in dollars.
October 23, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
206 is my former area code. I do not believe we had those issues but you do make a point, ignorance is everywhere.
October 23, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Being a governor or a fighter pilot both require the ability to think responsibly and make important decisions.
Being a conduit through which the ideas of others pass or being a "community organizer require nothing more than a big mouth.
For that, Obama qualifies.
October 23, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
The voter fraud is out of control. I want McCain to win more than I can ever express. But I don't want to win so badly that I want the republicans to result to cheating and fraud like the dems. My sister in law in Ohio got a call from someone asking for her neice(who does not live with her). She said she doesnt live here. The caller said something about her neice being registered to vote. When my sister in law told them she was 3 YEARS OLD they practically hung up! What in the hell is going on? We must put a stop to this now.
October 23, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
That whole Obama campaigned for Odinga thing is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. I swear the smear tactics are REALLY reaching deep these days. If you are trying to smear at least get your facts straight. I'm surprised perpetual p and c troll Jane isn't around yet..
First of all Odinga himself was not responsible for the "mass murder" of anyone. Though he and Kibaki could have done more to calm their followers down. According to many legitimate assessments, even by the US government and the EU, Odinga probably did legally win the election. However, the violence that took place after the elections was horrible and unfortunate and not justified.
"mass murder of over 1500 Christians and the burning of Christian Churches with women and children inside."
It wasn't mass murder, it was ethnic violence on both sides...600 people were killed, not just Kikuyus and now just Luo were involved. The 35 people were horribly killed within a church, was probably the only case of "mass murder" within the whole thing. The other amounts were mostly armed clashed from both sides. As for your "memory" of Obama campaigning for Odinga. No such thing happened, it's true that Raila Odinga tried to capitalize on any connection with Obama knowing his popularity in Kenya, but Obama never endorsed him.
I seriously doubt Obama will win SC, but he doesnt really have to. If he wins NC or VA, its essentially done and over with. I don't put much trust or faith into polls, so I'm not sure about the ones which say hes ahead in FL, VA, NC and Colorado. But if those results hold up on election day it will be a very early night for the McCain campaign.
October 23, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
Wow this is going to be one hell of an election- Obama doesn't have a ton of experience, but neither does Sarah Palin. John McCain and Joe Biden have lots of experience. I honestly think John McCain is an awesome man and has done a lot for this country- more than most. I think his choice in VP candidate was dead wrong. It's not neccessarily her lack of experience that scares me, but more her "my way or no way" kind of attitude. I think she is a smart, goal-oriented woman, but I don't think she has any business being where she is at right now. That being said, I am concerned about Obama for the same reasons. I think he is a wonderful man who means very well- but i am not sure he has the experience to succeed at achieving the "goals" he sets. This leaves me between a rock and a hard place- I am not a solid Democrat or Republican so this election for me will be one of the hardest desicions I ever make.
October 23, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
"So to say one candidate shouldn't be President over another because he doesn't have any experience being President is a an insane argument. Because all of them will be learning on the job."
Can't argue with the obvious. But proven accomplishment is at least some indication of potential accomplishment.
October 23, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
By the way I did not say he or she did not have experience. I asked What is it?
October 23, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"Some people are like Slinkies. Not really good for anything but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs. Anonymous"
Thank you for that gift. ;-)
October 23, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
First of all coolfreak, its "voter REGISTRATION fraud". Real voter fraud rarely happens, apparently its only happened about once or twice in the history of voting in the US. Voter fraud is when someone actually tries to show up to vote under a false name or address. It's very likely that ACORN, which is forced to turn in ALL of its voter registration forms, even the ones that they have already flagged as illegitimate, is planning on somehow creating a massive system where fake individuals named Mickey Mouse and Tony Romo will show up to vote in an election.
Since many states require some form of ID if you are a new registrant, they would have to have an ID that actually read that. Either way those registrations would have already been purged by the time November 4th rolls around. Voter registration fraud is wrong and illegal, but this has to be the most blown out of proportion concept I've heard in a while and it's typical fear and conspiracy mongering. ACORN needs to regulate their workers better, but then again, so do California Republicans apparently:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-...
And here's an article about one of ACORN workers that was convicted of this:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/2...
October 23, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
serialmooner: "Disclaimer: color of spider does not indicate racist comment."
Then what does it indicate?
I mean why not tarantula, camel spider or even brown recluse?
What is the point of your question?
October 23, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
What difference will it make for SC to say I told you so! The countries worst nightmare may come true.
Obama is elected and the Senate is handed a super Democratic majority! What happens? You can kiss many of your constitutional rights you have goodbye. You will see after Clinton gets appointed Attorney General and then get appointed to the Supreme Court when the opening arrives. You will then witness the eradication of the 2nd amendment. Economic woes rise higher! Businesses are taxed so high they will have to lay off people to make budget. Unemployment rates soar due to collapse of many small businesses. Companies that survive begin moving the companies outside the country to cut costs. The companies that do not relocate are forced to pass the higher taxes off to the consumer by raising product prices to cover increased production costs due to high taxes. The recession will deepen as people will not have the money to buy. People will not have the money to save. This will cause banks to have less cash to supply loans. Loans will be hard to get or non-existent. The government will become so broke that government assistance is gone. Obama will pardon Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for their assistance in the collapse. (McCain will prosecute his own side, he called for Cox's firing).The Democrats will continue to blame Bush for the collapse. This country slips into a depression.
It will be too late to remember that the Democrats have had control of this country for the last 2 years and spending has increased dramatically under their term. It will be too late to remember that this Democratic controlled congress has the lowest approval rating ever. A rating that is well over half of the sitting President's current rating. It will not matter anymore that Pelosi and Reid were instrumental the greatest left shift movement this country has ever seen. It will not matter that the Carter years will look like a mild Conservative establishment. What will happen in the end? Foreign interests will move their people into this country under Obama's 'citizens of the world' and seize American land as payment for the debts owed. With a Democratic reduced military, who are we to stop them?
Obama's apostles need to remember, you can't be a centrist if you are voting 97% of the time with the far left partisans.
Vote for Socialism! Vote for Obama!
We'll I am off, to pick up my passport just in case!
October 23, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
You obviously don't know Ohio law. You can register and vote the same day. O'Bamas camp had busses pick up people from soup kitchens and rehab centers to have them vote in Ohio. They also had people in jail vote.(keep in mind in Ohio you can register and vote the same day) This is a situation that invites voter fraud. Voter fraud has happened WAY more than once or twice. Don't count on the registrations being "purged" by then either. Democrat Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner was found guilty by a judge for violating election laws because she REFUSES to validate more than 200,000 suspect registrations.
October 23, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
come on eyf--
Black widow is almost generic in thought when it come to spiders. You don't strike me as being one so thin skinned as to apply a racial component to everything written.
Hell, most of us have never seen a brown recluse spider (there so reclusive) and tarantulas are pretty much exclusive to the southwest and,--- camel spider?
October 23, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
coolfreak, your conflating two things here (and ignoring both articles I posted obviously) I doublechecked just to make sure:
-Same day Registration...which exists in 7 states allows you to both register and vote on the same day, Ohio isn't one of them.
-What Ohio does have and has had for years is an overlap period due to the discrepancy between the period for absentee ballots and the period for vote registration. So there is a five day "overlap" period.
It's explained here:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/Upload...
and Here:
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/...
Technically people in soup kitchens, rehab center and YES jail can vote, they've not been convicted of any crime yet. They have not have their voting rights taken away from them. Did you read the CNN article, it actually says there has been no instance of people voting that should not have voted EVER recorded.
In the case of Ohio and Jenn Brunner, most of the registation information was technical discrepancies not false registrations. Republicans wanted to be able to challenge the voters on the spot about their registrations. Either way if any of the "suspect" registrations are indeed faulty, or plain and outright false, the law in Ohio does state that you are required to bring an ID to vote:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/electi...
So back to my original point that Mickey Mouse is NOT showing up to vote and you are overreacting.
October 23, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Daily Poll Summary - October 23, 2008, #1
National Polls
FOX: Obama +9
Rasmussen: Obama +6
Zogby: Obama +10
Gallup: Obama +5
Hotline: Obama +5
ABC: Obama +11
IBD: Obama +4
AP: Obama +1
Battleground: Obama +2
F&M: Obama +5
Average: Obama +5.8%
October 23, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JDHawg (anonymous) says...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/2...
October 23, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
Correction I should have said "if they haven't been convicted of any crime yet.." Not all people in jail are being incarcerated as punishment, some of them are awaiting trial and don't yet have a felony conviction and so on...
October 23, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Eyeinthesky:
Clyburn has a chance of flying if he jumps off the Cooper River Bridge..... Well more of a chance than Obama has of winning South Carolina!
LOL!!! I haven't read all the posts yet but THAT has to be the best one so far!!!
October 23, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
EvilGenius,
You nailed the generational thing.
As these uneducated, undisciplined spawn of the uneducated and undisciplined come of age,the biggest threat will be to themselves as they mature and figure out that competition is real and does matter.
They will eat each other alive!
October 23, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
neither mccain nor obama nor republicans nor democrats nor conservatives nor liberals are responsible for you happiness. only you are.
October 23, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nativecharlestongirl (anonymous) says...
For the sake of security I am voting for McCain. Period. End of story. He has what it takes to protect this country and Obama just doesn't. McCain it old school and I like it. Obama is a silver tongued devil that is going to damage this country and then citizens are going to panic. I would much rather have our brave soldiers fighting across seas, keeping us out of harms way. If Obama wins the election problems are going to be brought to our soil and stay here, then what? Democrats will have to face the music behind the clown they are pushing to run our county. What has Obama EVER ran successfully? Why start with OUR COUNTY?
October 23, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Native,
He's run a kickass campaign successfully, if he runs the country half as well, we'll be fine.
October 23, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
GetSerious,
You miss the point that the Democrats have had a major hand in the economy over the last 2 years. THEY controlled congress. They could have made changes but they only increased spending. Pelo-so-loonie's 100 day change resulted in increased earmarks with no significant changes to what the Democrats had original proposed.
The major benefactors of Fannie and Freddie were top ranked democrats. Sure a few republicans backers were in there, but the overwhelming majority were Democrats. Fannie and Freddie are one of major players in the cause of this economic failure. Did you see the recent Bill Clinton interview with Chris Cuomo? Let me refresh everyone to the comment made by the longtime hallowed voice of the Democrats, Bill Clinton.
'Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC's Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" '
BAM, Ouch! I have got to keep watching out for those brick walls. Say that again? I am not sure I heard that. Bill, you are the voice the democrats listened to over the years. This can't be true can it? Say it's not so Bill!
Yes, you are right in saying that I described the Legacy of Bush. This happens only because the liberal media wants the public to believe that. The media has become so biased. The misleading comment presented to Palin by Drew Griffin. Cindy McCain slammed by the New York Times. There are the Radical associations comparing McCain with the Klan. The list continues to grow.
In my statements earlier I wrote that people will not remember who the blame really falls with. Much like you claiming this is Bush's legacy, so the rest of the world falls into line with the lies. Barney Frank was the major opponent to stop the policy that would have tightened the grips on Fannie and Freddie. McCain was a supporter of that policy. The Democrats top leaders in Congress benefited from the loose restrictions. Obama got his piece of pie too. And then there is George Bush, he gets the blame, alas the Democratic (party) way.
Vote for Socialism! Vote for Obama!
October 23, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
I am supporting Obama. I've said why numerous times on this board as in cordial arguments with my conservative/Republican friends. What I don't get on this board is people (both Obama supporters and McCain supporters, but yes mostly McCain supporters) inability to voice why they support one candidate over the other without being viciously anti-the other guy. I've said this many times, but it just tickles me how people, like nativecharlestongirl, go on about how they are supporting McCain, but usually come around to why they are dislike/hate/don't trust Obama rather than a strong case for McCain. It's fine to support either candidate, but to preface or end it with why you don't like or trust the other guy completely de-legitimizes whatever you say.
There are tons of thinks I don't like about McCain, mostly his policies, his reaction to the economic crisis, and his serious lack of focus on the issues in the closing weeks of this election and the devolving to the petty attacks rather than clearly stating his positions. But I would never base my entire vote on the fact that I was anti-him. I don't think he's a fascist any more than I think Obama is a socialist or communist. I don't think McCain's a maniacal, top-hat fat cat elitist rich guy that doesn't care about anyone because he has 9 houses, any more than I think Obama is an aloof "east coast elite" because he went to Harvard and was a professor and lawyer. The issues count, but I think what this board unfortunately proves sometimes is that the issues don't count for many people, the people count, or your dislike of the person running counts more. Argue against Obama's tax plan, health care plan, foreign policy plans, experience or the like without personally attacking him or his family. It just seems petty and seems that you aren't voting with your heads rather with your anger.
October 23, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
oh please charleston1960, if anything its BOTH parties fault. Fannie and Freddie were only a part of the problem with the mortgage crisis, and the housing bubble was about to break and in trouble long before the Democrats got control of the house. Read about the real causes of this credit crisis, they are numerous, but this is only a small chunk of the puzzle you are talking about here. The economist had a good series of articles about it in their last print edition:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/disp...
http://www.economist.com/displaystory...
I'm sick and tired of hearing about the "liberal media". It's the media's fault McCain is down in the polls...It's the media's fault that Sarah Palin can't speak in complete sentences in an interview...after all they were asking her "gotcha" questions. It's apparently also their fault that she has no idea what the role of the VP is. OH and let's not forget it's the "liberal media"'s that's tainted the legacy of Bush. Need I remind you that not even the Republican candidate wants to touch THAT legacy. Get off of the conspiracy theory, for every left-tilted news organization there is a right-tilted one. As much as people on the right hate the New York Times, they love to quote it at their convenience because like it or not they are the most respected newspaper in America.
Divisive politics are ugly. Calling people "un-American", calling parts of america "real America, real Viriginia, and the most patriotic" is just silly. There are patriots everywhere, "real" Americans everywhere. And all of this talk about what the liberal media is doing is a huge conspiracy that is only playing into cultural politics.
October 23, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
From the NY Times - "Rebranding the U.S. With Obama"
"The other day I had a conversation with a Beijing friend and I mentioned that Barack Obama was leading in the presidential race:
She: Obama? But he's the black man, isn't he?
Me: Yes, exactly.
She: But surely a black man couldn't become president of the United States?
Me: It looks as if he'll be elected.
She: But president? That's such an important job! In America, I thought blacks were janitors and laborers.
Me: No, blacks have all kinds of jobs.
She: What do white people think about that, about getting a black president? Are they upset? Are they angry?
Me: No, of course not! If Obama is elected, it'll be because white people voted for him.
[Long pause.]
She: Really? Unbelievable! What an amazing country!
Of course, we in this country know that not all of the above is correct.
Blacks do have all kinds of jobs. Obama is half-white and half-black. My personal opinion: The polls are only that polls; they don't mean anything in the final analysis. This race will be closer than the pollsters think. Some people will not never vote for a minority and are upset that one has a chance of winning the presidency as evidenced recently at McCain and Palin campaign rallies - "Kill him" and "Terrorist" and "Arab," etc.
Yes, America is amazing, but still has a long way to go in terms of racial harmony. Very true, that if Obama does win, it will be because whites in greater numbers voted for him.
October 23, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
Colin Powell
Julie &Susan Eisenhauer (Ike's daughter and granddaughter)
Christopher Buckley (William F Buckley's son)
Gen McPeak & 60 retired Generals and Admirals
Gen Wes Clark
Ken Adelman, a big time republican
Paul O'Neill (Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury)
Warren Buffet
And best of all, Coach Dean Smith of North Carolina
All of the above have endorsed Obama, along with the majority of major newspapers & Nobel Laureates including Paul Krugman.
October 23, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ms_lady2u (anonymous) says...
All you Scorn McCain supporters are hilarious!
October 23, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
SCdeacinNYC - They interviewed the bus driver who was taking people to vote in Ohio.(supposedly they are not supposed to tell people who to vote for-just get people involved)She screwed up and told the interviewer she was telling all of the people to vote for O'bama. So is there not any shame in going to places to pick up vulnerable, often times unstable people,plying them with goodies and telling them who to vote for? I agree with you in that I'm sick of seeing people not presenting a good case as to why they like their candidate. I have been clear as to why I like McCain and it goes deeper than "O'Bama sucks".
In Ohio there is a week long window where voters CAN register and vote the same day. This is when O'Bamas people went rounding up the homeless and drug addicted to vote.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-...
October 23, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
(O'Bama) "So can you score another gram of coke?"
October 23, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
SCdeacinNYC I am supporting Obama. I've said why numerous times on this board as in cordial arguments with my conservative/Republican friends.
The word from yird;
I am not interested in being nice or getting along with those that despise my views but won't admit it.
There is no room in this process for "cordial" arguments and even less for compromise.
Pseudo liberals have done irreparable damage to this country and now is not the time to "turn the other cheek".
For too long conservatives have compromised or moved to middle ground essentially caving in to left wing policies that has culminated into the mess the government is in today.
Not one single government touchy feelgood program has escaped failure.
They only remain alive by idiots pouring more taxpayer money into them.
New Deal,Great New Society, War on Crime, War on drugs, teen pregnancy,illiteracy and so on, are all failures.
Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid; all burdens on the budget that are failing and now liberals want the government to run the housing industry and banking, both which were screwed up by left wing liberal democrats to start.
There is a war of ideas going on and I am not interested in cajoling with the enemy, I want to defeat them once and for all.
Obama and the rest of his SOCIALIST ALLIES must be vanquished if this democratic republic is to survive.
I am older than most who post here and I have seen the decline and it's cause first hand.
Think, all you of a conservative pro American bent,don't be swayed by the old"we are all Americans" crap the left likes to tout.
Americans do not bash their own country and work openly to undermine it's founding principles.
October 23, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rebel_Yell (anonymous) says...
The republican modo: If you can't beat him straight up on the issues, then smear him and try and find a technicality to keep him out of the job. Moderates only care about the issues, none of this non-sense raised by the far right is helping McCain's chances. The republicans might as well concede the presidency and fight against a super majority in the house. I don't agree with Obama on many issues, primarily his tax and economic plans, but he is not the devil or a racist as the social conservatives claim. He is actually quite bright and level headed but he is just wrong on taxes and will not get my vote because of that. The far right lost this one --way to go wackos.
October 23, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
Speaking of Palin, I have been to Alaska and I have spent some decent time in Idaho. Where in the heck did she get that fake Minnesota accent? Natives of those two places do not talk like that.
October 23, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
netwo, they actually cleared that up a few weeks ago.
http://www.slate.com/id/2201318/
October 23, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KidYendor (anonymous) says...
I'll just vote for Libertarian Presidential Candidate Bob Barr. The Libertarian Party can kick you out of the party when you act like a Republican or Democrat. Republicans do not kick you out of the party when you act like a liberal, socialist, free-spending Democrat. They should. They would still be popular if they did.
October 23, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Carolina_Politics (anonymous) says...
Obama has as much chance of winning South Carolina as I do of getting laid by the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders tonight. Clyburn is right about one thing, though, and that's new leadership is sorely needed in this country, but not the Marxist leadership that Obama and Pelosi will offer the nation.
http://www.carolinapoliticsonline.com...
October 23, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
Interesting read, thanks
October 23, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Cool beans - your right, SOMEONE obvioulsy doesn't know Ohio law.
"Voter fraud has happened WAY more than once or twice".
Do you have any actual proof? You realize that typing that on your keyboard doesnt mean its true right?
October 23, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
This has been proven by people investigating the illegal aliens who were voting. You don't need to make some lame attempt to insult me. But thats typical of the far left liberal idiots. Do you know Ohio law? I posted the link to PROVE that they ARE allowed to register and vote the same day in Ohio.
October 23, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Yird - What is with you referring to yourself in the third person before every comment?
"Think, all you of a conservative pro American bent,don't be swayed by the old"we are all Americans" crap the left likes to tout.
Americans do not bash their own country and work openly to undermine it's founding principles."
You might want to find another country to live in. We are americans precisely because we can speak out against anything we like. Isn't that what we have been fighting all these wars for?
What excactly do you think American means?
October 23, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
ceecee I don't think he read either article I sent which clearly stated that voter fraud by illegal or illegitimate voters is rare or has NEVER happened. Especially in Ohio as in other states, where you have to show identification before you vote.
A bigger problem is voter purging, which in many cases, especially Florida has wrongly purged thousands of people from voting lists and prevented them from voting. A typo, can literally prevent you from voting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/opi...
October 23, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I know people in Ohio who vote with no ID. This isn't something I read someone on a right wing website. It's a fact.
October 23, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Coolness - That doesn't sound like proof. "I know people" lmao. You keep talking like McBush has already lost the race and you need something to blame it on. How about your own party that has sold you down the river for the last 8 years and you still have not had enough. How does that saying go "fool me once, shame on uh....." maybe Bush knows.
October 23, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
GetSerious "Could your pathetic rants be any less relevant? You have nothing. You're sounding desperate, delusional, and in denial."
No kidding. the only thing missing was "I'm taking my ball and going home."
October 23, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by ceecee on October 23, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yird - What is with you referring to yourself in the third person before every comment?
From me to you (is that better for you/)
If you could count past two you'd know that I have not referred to myself "in the third person before every comment".
To answer your inquiry, I do that on occasion to clearly differentiate between my comment and those I'm responding to. Works for me.
Now, pay attention. I spent many years in the military so folks like you could "speak out against anything we like' although I don't see much logic in speaking out against things one likes but that's your position, not mine.
If you feel it's not only a right but a duty to bad mouth America then it is you who might want to "find another country to live in".
Your other simplistic question,
" Isn't that what we have been fighting all these wars for?"
We? what branch of the military did you serve in. The peace corps doesn't count!
October 23, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
I realize that I am quite the anomaly in SC, being white and somewhat liberal (I feel that I am very socially liberal and fiscally moderate, though I used to be much more liberal when I was younger). Growing up, I felt quite alienated being from a small town SC and I have debated about leaving, yet I have chosen to stay because I am close to my friends and family. When I went to college (USC), I met more like-minded liberal thinking people, that came from small town SC that were just as alienated as I was. Still, this is a very small percentage of the SC's population. To say that the politics of this state is annoying is an understatement. Sure I have conservative friends, but they label me the disillusioned liberal as I label them the disillusioned conservative or libertarian (which most of them actually are), so we rarely discuss politics.
This being said, much of the people that vote for democrats in SC are the minorities and northern transplants. You also have quite a few moderates that are disenfranchised with Bush (rightfully so, he has been a horrible president) that really will decide this election. American Americans make up 28% of the population in SC with the number being much larger in urban areas, about 50% to 60%. American Americans usually vote Democrat 91% of the time, and being that the case that we have a African American running for office, we can expect that the turnout in African Americans high.
Now, when you include disenfranchised moderates, northern liberal carpet baggers, American Americans, and me, the small percent of white southern liberals, there is a very good chance that Obama could pull off an upset. In other southern states (southern states that value education more than we do, like NC and Virginia), Obama is favored for the same reasons, though there are more of the other three demographic variables and still a large African American population.
So will Obama win still this state? Maybe not. But will it matter? Most likely not. Sorry, but we are a democracy and if Bush did not mess up the country so much, the disenfranchised moderates would not be an issue!
October 23, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
yird, your comments are no better than those in totalitarian regimes "how dare you criticize this country, anyone who disagrees that this country is perfect should leave!"
that is idiotic and NOT what America represents, nothing give you the right to claim otherwise. If you believe such as that, I suggest you travel to China, Russia, Iran or Cuba. You will find many like-minded individuals there.
Where did we get to the point of "believe what I believe and blindly follow along" is the accepted mantra. THAT is anti-American.
October 23, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Yird -
You have miss understood my comment. If you read it without looking for a mistake that might not happen. Try reading it again (without hurting yourself).
1. I never said I fought in the military but since we are paying for it I will say we.
2. I never said anything about a duty to bad mouth America nor did I even bad mouth America I simply said we have that right (which apparently sent you over the edge).
3. That is great you served in the military but what is your point? Does that give you more rights than someone who hasn't?
and as for my simplistic question - you still didnt answer it.
October 23, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
ceecee- I'm not going to release to you the names and contact numbers for my family. They already have enough liberal loons constantly knocking on their door and ringing the phone off of the hook. They get an average of 3 calls per day and one door knock per night. They are democrats who feel that in this election they have no real choice.(yes there are plenty of dems who hate O'Bama) I could care less what or who you believe. Bury your head in the sand I don't care. Afterall,if you need help your messiah will come save you. "All hail O'Bama! Pass the kool aid!"
October 23, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
So what are you saying cool, that your family members have voted illegally (without identification)? I don't understand you argument here. It seems you are grasping at straws. You have an unsubstantiated claim to counter every factual claim I've made (with evidence to back it up) against your conspiracy that the election will be stolen due to voter fraud. You were just wrong with that claim, just admit it.
Honestly, I don't think it's very likely Obama will win SC, but interestingly enough there are some who claim the race in GA is closer than the McCain campaign would like. I think republicans were always facing an uphill battle in this election, but I don't think their tactics or their strategy helped at all. When Obama launched a 50-state strategy people laughed at him. They never thought places like VA, NC or Indiana would ever vote for a Democrat. Now he's competitive there. McCain took these states for granted and is now forced to play defense and is wayy too late.
October 23, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
SCdeacinNYC said - "When Obama launched a 50-state strategy people laughed at him. They never thought places like VA, NC or Indiana would ever vote for a Democrat. Now he's competitive there. McCain took these states for granted and is now forced to play defense and is wayy too late." That is an excellent point. McCain, low on funding, is now also forced to spend money in those states. That is going to be hard to overcome. I like McCain as a person (I dont agree with him politically) and I think he is an honorable man but he probably picked the wrong race to run in.
October 23, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Cool - Did you just out your family on voter fraud? Why would they need to do that?
October 23, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I have voted with no ID. Just my voter registration. Did you not read the link I posted? For ONE WEEK in Ohio you CAN register and vote on the SAME DAY. Acorn is not a conspiracy theory. The FBI is currently investigating them for voter registration fraud.
October 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 23, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yird, your comments are no better than those in totalitarian regimes "how dare you criticize this country, anyone who disagrees that this country is perfect should leave!"
that is idiotic and NOT what America represents, nothing give you the right to claim otherwise. If you believe such as that, I suggest you travel to China, Russia, Iran or Cuba. You will find many like-minded individuals there.
Where did we get to the point of "believe what I believe and blindly follow along" is the accepted mantra. THAT is anti-American.
Now the Yird word
YOUR statements in quotation marks are YOUR idiotic statements not mine.
I have no problem with correcting faults of the country in a constructive fashion or speaking out against them.
There is however a large segment of our society that go out of their way to find and display anything that will
bring shame or the appearance of shame on this country.
The media (predominately liberal democrats)will wear out stories of alleged torture of terrorists by American military but barely touch on the atrocities committed on our troops by the terrorists.
Ultra liberal democratic congressman,Dennis Kusinich, went to Syria and bad mouthed this country on Syrian TV. Now you might consider that perfectly acceptable under your convoluted concept of freedom of speech but I do not and most Americans do not.
As far as going to "China,Russia, Iran, or Cuba" IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE WOULD BE YOUR CHOICES OF HABITAT SINCE YOU SUPPORT OBAMA who is clearly a socialist.
October 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
rgr75thlrrp wrote;
Obama does not care about SC. He is already celebrating his victory, so we must start thinking of how we are going to deal with the Dem's running the gov't. It may be time to go overseas for a few years while everything falls apart.
I guess everything is great in the US these days, what a joke!!!
October 23, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
GetSerious - Thanks for the link. Incredible site. I am guessing that is cool's car in the first blog photo.
October 23, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by EvilGenius on October 23, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LMAO blah blah blah...your name fits.
That was the primaries, and those numbers are with Obama & McCain competing against others running. Nice try, NYTimes...LOL please.
Barack Obama 295,091
Hillary Clinton 141,128<--How many of these will vote McCain
John Edwards 93,552
Bill Richardson 725
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 693 <--------Look at this! LMAO
Dennis J. Kucinich 551
Christopher J. Dodd 247
Mike Gravel 240
John McCain 143,224
Mike Huckabee 128,908
Fred D. Thompson 67,897
Mitt Romney 64,970
Ron Paul 15,773
Rudolph W. Giuliani 9,112
Duncan Hunter 1,035
Tom Tancredo 115
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Those numbers scares you and all the others who wants to keep the status-quo the same; guess what, this is a new day so stop trying to believe what you wrote and just except what is going to happen. If you cannot, then you and the rest of the status-quo generation need to start crying because it's about to be over in just under a week.
October 23, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
If you feel it's not only a right but a duty to bad mouth America then it is you who might want to "find another country to live in".
So what then is your definition of bad mouth? What did Kucinich say about America on Syrian TV? Who is going out of their way to de-fame America?
By the way, none of the countries I listed are "socialist." I love how people throw around the word without even knowing what it means. Cuba and China are Communist, though in China I would add that that is mostly in their totalitarian means of governing and not in actual economic policies as they have dipped into the free market economy and capitalism many times. There are also many millionaires and billionaires in China which by definition should not be possible in a "communist" country. I'm not sure what Russia is classified as but it's defintiely totalitarian and Iran is a totalitarian, Islamic-fundamentalist government. Their puppet leader Ahmadenijad is a conservative populist. Most of the Marxists (read: Communists) in Iran were executed after the Islamic revolution that overthrew the Shah.
October 23, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by nativecharlestongirl on October 23, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For the sake of security I am voting for McCain. Period. End of story. He has what it takes to protect this country and Obama just doesn't. McCain it old school and I like it. Obama is a silver tongued devil that is going to damage this country and then citizens are going to panic. I would much rather have our brave soldiers fighting across seas, keeping us out of harms way. If Obama wins the election problems are going to be brought to our soil and stay here, then what? Democrats will have to face the music behind the clown they are pushing to run our county. What has Obama EVER ran successfully? Why start with OUR COUNTY?
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911 happen during a Republican President and Congress!!! The clowns are: Bush, Chenney, McCain, and Palin; tuff talking only scare the Republicans not the rest of us or the world; no one fears the US anymore because huffing/ puffing and wars doesn't gain you respect or solve the US or the worlds problem; take this from someone you has been there.
October 23, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by ceecee on October 23, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yird -
You have miss understood my comment. If you read it without looking for a mistake that might not happen. Try reading it again (without hurting yourself).
I MISSED NOTHING, I TOOK YOU LITERALLY
1. I never said I fought in the military but since we are paying for it I will say we.
NICE TO FEEL INCLUSIVE, ISN'T IT?
2. I never said anything about a duty to bad mouth America nor did I even bad mouth America I simply said we have that right (which apparently sent you over the edge).
APPARENTLY IT IS YOU WHO ARE ON THE BRINK. CHECK THE MEENING OF THE WORD IF!
3. That is great you served in the military but what is your point? Does that give you more rights than someone who hasn't?
THE POINT IS, BECAUSE OTHERS SERVE IN THE MILITARY IS WHY YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE A COMPLETE MORON IF THAT IS YOUR DESIRE.
and as for my simplistic question - you still didnt answer it.
ASSUMING YOUR REFERRING TO THE GRADE SCHOOL TYPE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN IT WOULD TAKE PAGES TO COVER ALL OF IT BUT ONE PARTICULAR CONCEPT OF MINE WOULD BE IN ACCORD WITH THE OATH TAKEN SO LIGHTLY BY SO MANY THESE DAYS,THAT BEING TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE COUNTRY AGAINST ALL ENEMIES,DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN. ALSO I FEEL IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL HEALTH OF THE COUNTRY TO BARE OUR DIRTY LAUNDRY WHICH IS WHAT SO MANY LIBERALS THINK IS CHIC. CLEANING UP OUR ACT IS ONE THING, INVITING THE WHOLE WORLD INTO CRITIQUE US IN THE PROCESS IS UNACCEPTABLE TO MOST CONSERVATIVES.
October 23, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
I don't listen to people who write in CAPS.
October 23, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BravesFan (anonymous) says...
Good grief, the more I read these posts the more I think 2 or 3 people have created multiple users and have arguments with themselves. I would laugh if it weren't so pathetic.
October 23, 2008 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Our society and its views have changed dramatically since Reagan was president (probably our finest). I personally believe this is due to the liberal views of many people. Look at our society...unwed mothers, children having children, NO discipline in schools....nobody seems to think anyone should have ANY personal responsibility anymore.
I blame the LIBERAL/DEMOCRATIC party and views for this.
It IS time for change but not the kind of change Comrade Obama is proposing. We need strong conservative values back. Our society as a whole needs to get back to FAMILY VALUES not this crap about needing a VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD.....that's a load of crap. It takes a FAMILY to raise a child.
We need strong conservative leadership. I would prefer someone more like Fred Thompson, with his no nonsense way but McCain will have to do.
THINK people!!! THINK!!!! I'm afraid that change is coming and it won't be change for the better.
When the Dem's fail - and they WILL - they will just turn around and blame the Republicans for all of it.
A democratic white house and a democratic controlled Congress is the WORST thing that can happen....
God help us all when Comrade Obama becomes president..
October 23, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
For what it;s worth, there IS another candidate. The libertarian candidate is Bob Barr. I like what this party has to say about fiscal responsibility and limited government. Democrats AND Republicans (oh, yes, Repubs too!) have created a monster in the US government. It's frickin huge. And it spends money like crazy... Our money... I think that it is absurd to blame the state of this nation on one political party of the other. In reality, the people have created this mess. They keep voting for the criminals every time!
October 23, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by SCdeacinNYCf
So what then is your definition of bad mouth? What did Kucinich say about America on Syrian TV? Who is going out of their way to de-fame America?
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Are you really that uninformed? Ever hear of Harry Belafonte or Danny Glover or maybe William Ayers?
I can't quote Kusinich verbatim but he was crying about us being in Iraq and how we had no business there etc.
If you are really interested which I'm sure your not,(you just want argue from a baseless position)you can find plenty of information relating to US citizens putting down(bad mouthing) this country at home and abroad.
Your assertion that those of us who equate socialism with communism don't know the difference is somewhat enlightening. Suppose you give me a clear cut example of the differences between socialism and communism. According to your confused way of thinking the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was not a communist nation.
YOU ARE ONE SHARP COOKIE!
October 23, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
shoelace,
The term or the rhetoric of family values is very alienating to people that do not have a family or a supportive family. It would be ideal that everyone had a caring family, but unfornately, that's not reallity (this is is one of the many reasons I do not like the term family values). What if you do not have a family or at least a supportive one?
October 23, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Big deal about what she spends on clothes....didn't John Edwards catch hell for a $400 haircut???? Didn't Jackie Kennedy spend tons of money on clothes? Nancy Reagan too?? NOT important issues.
What about all the money Comrade Obama is spending on his campaign? Do you think he's buying suits off the rack at the Men's Warehouse???
Couldn't all of this money be put to better use????
Now, how have these two (not that Palin is running for Pres) spent their states' money? Which is more fiscally conservative? THAT should be the issue.
I really wish when McCain was asked if the two running mates were qualified to become Commander in Chief he had pointed out that Comrade Obama's running mate is far more qualified than Comrade Obama is!! That would have been a classic comment...and true too!!
October 23, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
GetSerious- That site was funny! I had heard of it before but never went to it. To ceecee- Trust me one of my vehicles is worth way more than the section 8 housing you live in. For the record- I am not a transplant. I was born and raised in SC. My in laws live in Ohio.
October 23, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BravesFan (anonymous) says...
halfsheli-
As a result of your post, I will look further into Bob Barr's history. At this point and judging by all the posts here, he should be a valid candidate. Thank you for the reminder.
October 23, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Yird, yird, yird....I can't decide if your caps button suddenly broke or if you are simultaneously typing and screaming at your computer.
You took me literally - your inability to read context into situations does not surprise me, if anything it would explain a lot.
I am not sure what to think about the inclusive comment. If you couldn't think of anything then you should have left it blank...really its ok.
"CHECK THE MEENING OF THE WORD IF!" I will if check the spelling of the word meaning.
You still have not made a valid point on you mentioning your military service(or anything else). Yes I have that right, which you apparently helped to protect, and it seems to drive you nuts when someone uses it. Very ironic.
As for the question you have done such a fine job of avoiding. What are we fighting the wars for if it is not for freedom?
What is you wird yird? lmfao
October 23, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Creeker01 (anonymous) says...
It will be interesting to see the ratio of racists come out in this election.
You'd never, EVER see 98% of whites voting for the only white candidate in a racially mixed "race", as we did in Mississippi for the Primaries in this day & age.
Oh yeah, and its "who they associate with" that should matter, along with their history.
"Our Savior" couldn't be qualified to be hired as a Cop in THIS state... yet many would apparently hand him our National secrets.
October 23, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
CeeCee- The definition of fraud is deceit or trickery. How is being legally registered to vote and not showing ID at the polls fraud? Please explain. Next time don't use words that are outside of your intellect. I know,I know it makes for a small list.
October 23, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
coolfreaknbeans, its not fraud buts illegal depending on the state. In Ohio, you have to show your ID, end of story. In SC, I think a voter registration card is sufficient but NOT if you are a: first time voter, registered to vote by mail or did not submit proof of ID with your application.
So, you must be talking about voting in SC, I assume you've voted prior to that time of not showing ID and hence was not required to show ID, in that case, I think we still need not worry that Mickey Mouse will show up to vote with a registration card and ID in hand, if he does, kindly take photographs.
October 23, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
If Mickey Mouse showed up to vote- I think I'd pee my pants laughing. We should all rent various costumes and go vote. I could see it now- Mickey Mouse,SpongeBob...
October 23, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ceecee (anonymous) says...
Coolness, I would hate to make you go back and read your own posts but your miniscule attention span begs that you do.
"The definition of fraud is deceit or trickery. How is being legally registered to vote and not showing ID at the polls fraud?"
you are arguing against yourself. This is an earlier post you made to suggest voter fraud..."I know people in Ohio who vote with no ID. This isn't something I read someone on a right wing website. It's a fact."
As for you being a native....BS. No self respecting native would call themselves coolfriknbeans...please.
You say its your "in laws" that live in Ohio. How many people do you know that just happen to know the voting laws for the state their in laws live in.
October 23, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
SCdeacinNYC
McCain called for Fox to be fired. Last I checked he was a Republican. I know both parties are to blame. The Democratic leaders always push the fault on Bush. Then push the 'THAT WAS EASY' button. Dot.com failure, 911, recent plunge in the markets are not Bush. The Democrats helped with this fiasco. Yes there are a lot of factors that caused it. It was the mortgage crisis that bared the cards. Fannie and Freddie were a piece of the pie that caused it. However, it was a major part because of the ties with several banking institutions that fell with it. People were given loans they could not afford. Sub-prime was a joke! The greedy people that ran the organizations need to be held accountable. Forget party affiliation. JAIL TIME works for me. Let them talk with Bernie Ebbers for the next 25 years. Take their massive greed profits and repair this mess. Frank and Dodd should get the cell next to Cox.
There is a biased liberal media out there. Is that why McCain is behind? No. He is missing the talking points of the economy. One being: You don't raise taxes during a recession.
Here is my point.
Obama said, "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
See if you can find the same type of coverage on this by MSNBC or CNN as they do with the words of McCain and Palin. Murtha calls them racists and the rednecks. Obama follows with that and it dies out. Did he diagnose this using his sociology degree or from his conversations with Rev. Jeremiah 'GD America' Wright? It sure would have been expected of Wright.
The NYT reported it but built the story that his words were ill chosen. I guess Sarah Palin's words are never ill chosen? The LIBERAL media is only representing the bad of McCain's campaign and washes Obama and Biden bad comments as 'misconstrued'. Even in your attempt to quote Palin. Is there an actual quote in there somewhere? Palin did not say... oh wait, I get it! Your words were ill-chosen or somehow 'misconstrued' on what your mind was thinking and your hands were typing!
The Democrats gained power 2 years ago. The Democrats had 2 years to fix it. They said they would! THEY NEVER STARTED THE PROCESS. The kept feeding the process with spending.
Is McCain clean? To take a quote from the Hertz people: 'Not exactly!' There is truth in that he backed reform of Fannie and Freddie when he WAS the Maverick during Clinton's administration. Clinton can validate that for you.
Vote for Socialism! Vote for Obama!
October 23, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I am very much a native.If you want to hurl insults about usernames- really? CeeCee sounds like the name of a stripper or cheap ho. I'm done with you. You have nothing to offer. Truly a waste. My only regret is engaging in your idiotic rants. There are other posters who I often disagree with. However,I really enjoy hearing their thoughts and views. Those posters make somewhat intelligent arguments and we engage in lively debates. You are simply foolish.
October 23, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MMitchum (anonymous) says...
I don't Like any of them. All I see is backstabbing childish ways of trying to confuse the voters. My opinion is lay it all on the table if you want to become PRESIDENT.
All the dirty laundry, friends, and affairs. All schools attended, work background checks, E-MAILS, etc...don't leave anything unturned...then let us see and VOTE! This has been the worst election year I have witnessed and I will be glad when it's over. They can't pay everyone off to keep their mouths shut. They have acted like a bunch of school kids saying well he did this...and I didn't do it he did. I think they both should be canned for their remarks, and innuendos.
The dignified one would have kept his mouth shut and stayed on track. But neither can keep their mouths SHUT. Neither have given us anything but grief this election. I have come to believe neither are qualified to run this country. Yes I am scared for our Country....and we all shall see.
October 23, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
McCain called for COX to be fired, even though the president doesn't even have that power.
I for one think Obama's statement was misunderstood but true. I think people in certain areas of America DO cling to guns and religion especially to express their frustration because they think there's a cultural war and that the government is out to change their pro-gun, pro-God ways. I however, am NOT a politician, so I can say those things without having to apology for them. Obama had to apologize, though in my opinion he was absolutely dead-on right. And the press did jump ALL over this that quote...for a week we ONLY heard about that...before we ONLY heard of Jeremiah White...the difference between now and then is, for the media they've already been there and done that on the Obama negatives. Remember, he was in a long and tested primary with Hilary, so thanks to her and Bill for wearing out the last page of THAT book.
You can't possibly compare Palin's complete inarticulation and incoherence on policy matters to Obama's statement, which while it wasn't the most politically benefical thing to say was surely not as horrible.
What about her quote when trying to defend being next to Russia as foreign policy credentials:
We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.
Or my new favorite when asked what a "precondition" would be when meeting with our enemies:
You have to have some diplomatic strategy going into a meeting with someone like Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-il, one of these dictators that would seek to destroy America or her allies. It is so naive and so dangerous for a presidential candidate to just proclaim that they would be willing to sit down with a a leader like Ahmadinejad and just talk about the problems, the issues that are facing them. So that - that's - that's some ill-preparedness right there.
**I'm confused as to where in this answer she actually answered the question on what a precondition would be. Of course she's good at not answering questions and answering with talking points.
October 23, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston1960 (anonymous) says...
You are right. The President cannot fire him. The Senate can fire him at the request of the President. Unfortunately, Bush is backing Cox. I don't believe even a Democratic Congress would disagree with McCain, if he was President, and said, 'I want Cox fired. Will you do that for me?' My guess is it would be a rare time in the annals on congress they agreed wholeheartedly.
What foreign policy credentials does Obama have? Obama's trip to Germany? Biden?
The problem with both of these campaigns is they are opposite in who should be where.
Obama = No Exp last 2 years campaigning.
Palin = No Exp does run a small state. That is executive whether you want to recognize or not.
McCain = Exp = Debatable
Biden = Exp = Debatable
Ticket should have been Biden-Obama and McCain-Palin.
Preconditioned = 'you have to have some diplomatic strategy.' & 'that's some ill-preparedness' I do not have time to look up the exact quotes, so I will take your word that you did. She has basically said to sit down without a diplomatic strategy would be ill-prepared. Having a strategy before sitting down is a form of precondition. The preconditions could be further elaborated into saying Iran before we talk shut down your reactors. (BTW, I am using the Biden way of explaining what was meant.) North Korea is a prime example. The Bush administration has finally got North Korea about ready to scratch their nuclear program in order to be removed from the terrorist watch list and have talks with the US. Don't know what North Korea expects now, the country has no money to give them. Thanks to the failures of the 110th Congress.
The one thing about campaigns is they are long. There may have been a reason for this. If you speak so much, you will eventually speak the truth. You will eventually let people know your true feelings. Obama is no exception to the rule. McCain is no exception to the rule. The problem is every time Obama or Biden spews trash it's a misunderstood statement.
Here's an even scarier thought for you. Pelosi is 2 heartbeats away from the Presidency!
October 23, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by ceeceeYou We are americans precisely because we can speak out against anything we like.
Isn't that what we have been fighting all these wars for?
What excactly do you think American means?
Ceecee The questions you asked were answered clearly. Now you changed the supposedly unanswered question to:
As for the question you have done such a fine job of avoiding. What are we fighting the wars for if it is not for freedom?
American?
exacactly?
All the above is off your post.
You need to play in your own league with folks like SCdeacinNYC. I believe the combined IQ of the both of you might equal ambient temperature in Iceland.
Just got back from stuffing myself with barbecue,hash and rice, baked beans, sweet potato souffle,cole slaw, and ice tea so I can probably now read more liberal rants without "screaming at my computer".
ceecee, looking at some of your other posts reveals that you like to accuse others of screaming at their computers also. Might it be that this is one of your traits so you assume others do the same?
Don't bother to answer that one.
It's past 6:30, time for you to turn in with your favorite teddy.
October 23, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
EvilGenius
You absolutely correct. I generally refer to us as a democratic republic which is the same thing. If it were not for our present system with the electoral college we would probably already be a "pure" democracy which is nothing more than mob rule.
Do you think any of these retards on the left understand our system?
October 23, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Oh wow, former Sen. George McGovern was just on TV condemning obama for supporting Union Bosses' taking away the secret ballot from workers.
Liberal Socialists hard at work.
October 23, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Get Serious:
What's Comrade Obama qualified to do? Set up a county fair? Plan a rally? Issue a permit for a parade... City planner...please...
Guess I am not an average American because I spend my money pretty freely. Do I buy 200-300 dollar outfits, no. Could I? Sure. I am sorry if the Average American is too ignorant to figure out how to save more than spend and splurge when it's affordable. But again, I am a free thinker and don't have to worry about someone taking my wealth (what little I have) and redistributing it to those who are too dumb or lazy or both to get off their butts and work.
No sympathy.
No socialism.
NoBama...Comrade Obama....Hile Obama...Hile Biden....
Heaven help us all.
October 23, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLWDALFAN (anonymous) says...
I CANT BELIEVE THIS GREAT COUNTRY IS ABOUT TO PUT OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE THE TIME, GO TO THE BOOKSTORE AND PURCHASE A COPY OF OBAMA'S BOOK "THE AUDACITY OF HOPE. IN IT, OBAMA STATED HE HATE HIS MOTHER BECAUSE SHE WAS WHITE. IN THE BOOK, HE STATES HE WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION. IF EVERY AMERICAN WOULD READ THIS BOOK, YOU WOULD NOT PUT THIS MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. ANOTHER FOOD FOR THOUGHT, AL JAZEER JUST ENDORSED HIM. THIS IS SCARY! I'M VOTING FOR THE 1ST TIME IN MY LIFE! FOR GOOD OR BAD, I'M WITH MCCAIN, AT LEAST I KNOW HE LOVES AMERICA.
October 24, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MP (anonymous) says...
Dream on, Mr. Clyburn. The average South Carolinean is too smart for that, unlike the voters in your district.
October 24, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Method Obama McCain
Latest Poll Per State 351 184
Poll of Polls 378 157
Survey USA 303 220
Rasmussen Reports 317 221
Quinnipiac 269 128
CNN 301 150
American Research Group 316 222
Insider Advantage 224 150
Research 2000 215 157
Strategic Vision 258 128
Public Policy Polling 250 129
Mason Dixon 182 173
Zogby 271 240
Weekly National Average 49.0% 40.0%
Weighted Nat'l Avg 50.2% 43.6%
Goodbye McBush Caraboo Barbie
October 24, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cinnabar (anonymous) says...
With regard to the extremely impressive and distinguished Jim Clyburn and his inane comments...
Never try to teach a pig to sing...It wastes your time and annoys the pig...
October 24, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justjerry (anonymous) says...
I don't care what Clyburn has to say simply because he does not care about what I have to say. I have emailed and contacted his office, along with DeMint and Graham on several issues over the last couple of years and the one thing that I can say about Clyburn and his office is that they are consistent. They have never, EVER contacted me back. Not even to give me the obligatory brush off. Never heard from his peeps so he will never get my vote.
October 24, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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