Youths convicted in man's death

Posted by kontact on October 21, 2008 at 2:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on black people-We got to do better!! And we dont need anyone saying anything about dot scott, NAACP,Obama, etc... We have problems in our communities that cant be blamed on anyone person,group,or ideological viewpoints!! We have got to do something about all this gun violence. These youngsters have no respect for life.None.

Posted by palmettotree on October 21, 2008 at 4:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I blame the media for some of the problems that our young people face. If the media would tone down the violence in movies, music videos and yes the news it might just help.
but the media nowadays are constantly talking about people being murdered. If you have a Columbine experience happen it is all over the news and if someone has the mentality they may just try to copy it. the music videos are the worst and the artists who make the videos. They hail the almighty gun as something above God.

Posted by prettywoman2457 on October 21, 2008 at 5:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What media? These kids don't watch tv, read the news, listen for news. They are on the streets doing whatever they want. Want to blame someone.....blame the parent/parents! Why aren't the parents in jail for not seeing that the thugs are in school? Why aren't the parents giving the murderers/thugs/trash curfews? Why aren't they home studying, watching the news or doing something constructive or just sitting with a parent and learning about how to be a decent human being? No matter...it still comes back to worthless parents!! I thought that in the state of SC, if you have a kid that is in constant truancy, you (as a parent)face jail time? How many siblings do these thugs have that are being raised just like them?

Posted by pirate42 on October 21, 2008 at 5:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And its societys fault ... Dam Parents should smack the living sh*t out of there kids if they dont listen I spanked mine once in there life after that all i had to do was raise my voice they were gone into hiding

Posted by WhoCares on October 21, 2008 at 6:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand why kontact doesn't want anyone to mention Dot Scott, NAACP, or Obama... those are precisely the people at fault! Them and a host of other Black "Leaders" like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. These people could be a positive voice for the Black community...yet they run around spewing racial hatred and telling the Black community how bad off we are and how hopeless our situations are. And you want to know why they do so? Job security!! These people (and several local reverends) know that if they can keep the Black community impoverished and drug-ridden that this violence will continue. They don't care that 90% of the violence is Black-on-Black and that it is our own sons who are being killed. All they care is that by stirring the racial pot they get re-elected, or stay in their nice comfy positions!

It's time for some real leaders to emerge in the Black community. It's time to put disicipline (and students) back in our shools. It's time to quit letting our children listen to and idolize gangsta rappers who demean women and promote the drug/gun culture. It's time to teach our children to dress for success and not wear baggy pants and other "gang-related" clothing. It's time for our teenage girls to quit getting pregnant and stay in school. It's time for our Black men to start acting like men and be fathers to their children. It's time we learn to accept responsibility for ourselves and stop blaming the government or white folks for our troubles. And it's time we quit relying on these people and make it on our own!

But most importantly, like prettywoman says, it's time for parents to be parents!! As a (Black) single mother of three, I realized the mistakes I made in my youth and swore I wouldn't let my children repeat them. My children grew up in a drug-free home without guns and violence. They were required to watch only quality, educational television and to read at least one book a week. They learned to idolize Black leaders like Dr. King, not spoiled athletes and gangsta rappers. It was tough for them...they faced a lot of peer pressure and were often ostricized for not being part of the "happenings." Now, as young adults, everytime they see an article like this one in the paper they call me and thank me for the way they were raised!

Posted by woodrob12 on October 21, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

society and the media aren't to blame. the complete lack of personal responsibility by the parent and, of course, the kids is to blame. take a drive through liberty hill and you'll see street after street of completely shiftless folks not taking responsibility for themselves, their own, and their surroundings.

Posted by I_C_UR_POINT on October 21, 2008 at 6:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PIRATE 42 ..OH YEAH SCARE THE POOR KIDS THAT WOULD REALLY HELP

Posted by moonpie on October 21, 2008 at 6:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

prettywoman sums it up this am. Hey Scarlett just remember their names because statistics show you will see them again.
Just read whocares post and you two said it best today. I would like to know these thugs backgrounds, family, etc just to prove that unlike your families most are from single family, teenage mothers that are predestined for a life of poverty or worst. I tell you if someone in these families (not Obama, D.Scott, or JJ) doesn't start raising the next generation to not have to rely on gov or seek entitlements or vote for whoever promise the most, this will never end. Kids should be taught to be independent.

Posted by I_C_UR_POINT on October 21, 2008 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People take responsiblity for your on kids.Damn Obama has not even won "yet" and already we blaming him..Get A life

Posted by IronWoman on October 21, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Black, White, or Purple, parents don't raise their children, ... they let the streets raise them, and this is what they become. Desperate for attention in any way. I totally blame the parents for this crime, ... they neglected raising their young boys properly, ... or at all! How disgusting.

Posted by ColdBud on October 21, 2008 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As with anyone else convicted of violent crimes, these two should receive the death penalty.

And yes, this is the parents fault.

Posted by elcid81 on October 21, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tree - You can't blame the media. As it is pointed out, they do not read newspapers or watch TV. Where do they get their influence? What do you hear when they pull up next to you in their cars? The nasty loud offensive garbage some say is art. The rap stars have to share some of the blame. When are we as a society going to realize that this so called music is leading our youth (both white, yellow and black) to a life of crime. This music that they sell glorifies killing, rape, drugs, stealing, etc. It is not offensive to use the "N" word in their music, but use it in the bank or supermarket and see the stares you get. Where is the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Rev Al, Obama on this issue? I am tired of hearing this crap as pull up to a red light, so I keep my windows up. Problem is I can still fell the bump, bump, bump until the next light. It drowns out my 50s and beach music that I love so much. To me this is music. I continue to pray for our youth.

Posted by SC_Native_ElCid07 on October 21, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a shame, the parents should be executed along with them...

Posted by Missing_Home on October 21, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Problem is, when a parent exercises his/her right to correct their child buy using corporal punishment, DSS comes and threatens to take your kids away if you don't jump through a bunch of hoops for them.

in 1949 kids did wrong and they got a smack,they stopped what they were doing les they get more smacks.

Now kids do wrong and parents can't/won't smack.if they do kid turns them in. Kid continues on a bad path until kid finally does something criminal that lands kid in Jail.

Who's fault is it.

#1 It's the kids.

#2 It's the parent. My mom would smack us even if it meant her going to jail, she was determined to raise us to obey and respect our elders, do not steal, do not fight, respect officers of the law.

#3 Liberals in office that don't have children, but want to tell you how to raise yours.

Whatever my mom did, she did it right, she raised 12 kids, none are in jail and all are law abiding productive members of society.

Posted by RTC on October 21, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"When the gun the two youths had went off, Trammel McFadden was hit multiple times and died."
The gun didn't just go off. The trigger was pulled by a punk who could care less about human life.
I don't care if they are juveniles or not, when you commit a violent crime then your name and picture should be published.
This is getting to be a common occurence anymore, and the criminals are getting younger all the time.

Posted by purplesnowcone49 on October 21, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We need more parents taking responsibility of their kids, knowing who they talk with, and keeping them off the streets..so they do not get into serious trouble. limit on what time your kids are out is in order. if they are working, then a paper from the boss.would be used. if you are under 18,then you must be with a parent or guardian..

Posted by abitskeptical on October 21, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is very sad...

Were role models modeling bad behavior (violence & crime, unbridled & mis-directed anger, lack of discipline & responsibility, drug use,etc. ) the ONLY role models these kids had or could relate to?

How do we help break the viscous cycle?

How do you reach kids who are immersed in a toxic environment where adults in their life are showing them a direct path to jail or the morgue?

Most of the adults who are bad role models are probably past redemption, but the kids are not.

How do we stop this?

Successful members of the local black community need to be leaders here. They probably have the best insight into how to break this cycle.

Regardless of how well intentioned a person might be, a black leader/successful person is going to have more credibility w/ troubled black teens than a Caucasian, Asian, etc.

There are probably behind the scenes things we all could do, but LOCAL black success stories need to be in the forefront for ALL to see--to show these kids there are other ways to lead their lives--to show them they are NOT destined to a life of crime & violence--to show these kids they are 'good enough' to go in any of the wonderful directions & careers that life has to offer---& to show them HOW to break out of this cycle.

I am sure these kids are aware on one level that there are successful black people in the community, but how often do their paths cross? Do they see this as a reality...something that would/could be a reality for themselves?

I'll stop here before I write a few more pages.

Local Black Leaders...invest in these kids. They just might listen to you.

Posted by Weeeee on October 21, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see no actual loss here. Two in prison, one dead. Call me heartless but Mr. McFadden doesn't look too much like a model citizen to me. Too bad the others won't be executed.

Posted by sc4peace on October 21, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just so scary. I am afraid for my child and her future. Personally, the boys are ruined for life. They have been raised to behave the way they did and nothing at this point will probably change that. Yes, rehabilitation is a possibility- but if they want that to happen- the parent should pay for it, not us taxpayers. There is absolutely no reason that a fourteen year old CHILD should have access to a gun. There is no excuse and the mom should be in jail for endangering society with her overproducing uterus- I can almost promise you she has quite a few children that have no supervision and are raised on the streets with no one to look up to but drug-dealing thugs- what the hell else do you expect???? Now we have to pay for them to eat and sleep in a bed every night- way to go mom- thanks for the extra baggage taht we get to take care of now. Oh, and when they are 21 and get out- be prepared for another homicide in the wonderful city of North Charleston.

Posted by tzeigler on October 21, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SICK. I am so sick of the blame game people put on issues in the news. Bottom line where the hell are the parents of these 14 year old kids. Is anyone holding them responsible? Sickening. I have read the post and blaming media and music is an EXCUSE. I listened to rap music as a child and I grew up in a single parent household. I'm not a murderer. Instead I grew up with my mother threatening to kill me everytime she THOUGHT I was doing something I had no business. I am a college grad with a very good job and it is because of my mother. If you teach your child at home how to behave and act the streets nor the media can undermine it.

Posted by kontact on October 21, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To all: I hate to say this but I probaly agree with Whocares too much for my own likeing. MY arguement is that we cant blame these leaders for the problems that start at HOME. The parents have to be held accountable for these kids actions. I wasnt the perfect kid growing up, I did just as much dirt as the next kid (probaly alot more), but the difference was I tried to keep that part of my life away from my parents. Not all parents are to blame cause some kids are just outright sneaky but the majority of these kids dont have any parental involvement in their everyday lives.

Yes we have a lack of strong role models in our communities so these kids grow up admiring the rappers, ballplayers, etc... Yall know why? Because the lawyers, doctors, etc... that grew up in the ghetto usually leave to never return. This leaves only the guys that are doing wrong for these kids to idolize. These are the ones driving the nice cars with all the money. Thats all they see; so they try to obtain this unrealistic 'American Dream'. They dont see the loss of a future that living like this causes. They only want to succeed and try by selling and not even knowing it because no one told them. Ignorance is knowing wrong and continuing to do it but what do you call it when your 14 with a mom that more than likely a single parent thats probaly in her 20's. A cycle of failure in our communities. These kids NEED role model not people that are going to judge them because of the what typr music they listen too. I listen to rap almost everytime I get in my truck and I know that Im living my life morally and spiritually correct in the eyes of my God. And Im not going to get into whether baggy jeans is gang related clothing(no, I dont wear them but only see them as a younger generations symbol of expression). I dont condone dreadlocks or braids , or even long hair for grown men but people can be successful and have these things but when we look at young black men 'saggin' their pants its a completely different interpretation than we do others and we put subliminal meanings into it.

The majority of your post I do agree with its just that I go on long tirade when I see the blame the rap movement or saggin pants stlye as the reason that black America is in the state we are in.

Posted by lantanagurl on October 21, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WhoCares... GREAT POST!

Posted by TinaR on October 21, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Personnally, I feel that this is a sad situation. One young man is dead, his brother will have to live with the memory of.. but for me asking him to come with me, he would not be dead. Two other young men have ruined their lives, that of their family, and that of the victims family. To say that they should be put to death is a bit harsh, and this is coming from someone who's grandfather was murdered and on Thursday will be going to fight the parole application of said murderer. I also feel that to bring politics in this situation is wrong. And if you actually listened to what some of the candidates have say, you would realize how stupid that comments. Not everything is the fault of politians.

Posted by WhoCares on October 21, 2008 at 10:38 a.m.

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Posted by abitskeptical on October 21, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kontact-I agree that the problems start at home & I hope my post did not indicate that I "blame" the black leaders for any of the problems such as led to the tragedy in this article.

My point is that looking to most of the adults (in the lives of kids that get into the life style such as above) to start making positive changes probably would be futile.

Yes, hold the adults accountable & "punish" them for neglect, failure to protect, etc. But more than that needs to happen to turn this vicious cycle around.

Posted by madcity on October 21, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You all are stupid.

Posted by blah_blah_blah on October 21, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it's not the media, news, Obama, Jesse Jackson, etc.

It's that crap music and the culture of it, that they idolize.
Turn off the music, turn on the parents!

Posted by WhoCares on October 21, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like my last post was too blatantly honest for this liberal rag... LOL

Posted by OldGaDawg on October 21, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

From an infant to the first year these two were like that of an unwritten book. The parents to whom these two were born to were the first pages to have had anything written therein. From there to the starting of school they learn from there parents the "right and wrong" lessons of life. Then they enter the schools to which they attend.
They learn from others, there peers and those to which they come in contact with in public. There youthful minds are wanting more besides sitting down in front of a television for guidance.
But... As we all know... Television is not what the youth of today needs.
Parents need to be involved with there children at home, through school and there aft.
If anyone is to blame? Each should look within themselves and think as to there child and those of others to whom we come in contact with everyday.

Posted by Chief on October 21, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see not one post on here about the fact that this CHILD had a hand gun; and used it to "shoot a man to death". Even 12 year old kids are using them. Dime a dozen it seems.

What is wrong with this picture! Whatever happened to taking it outside? Duke it out! Be a man and go toe to toe.

Our law enforcement, crime watchers & community need to work together & much harder to get the guns out of the wrong hands and off of the streets.

As for some of you daily posters~ you know who you are. I like to call you the "Regulars", You sure like to shoot straight to the top of the food chain for who is at fault.
You seem to forget about our State leaders. Chain of command is how it works. Our state leaders and reps. can make all the difference sometimes when it comes to suggestions and decisions made for SC.

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on October 21, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's sad is that most of these 'children' were born strictly out of necessity...a few extra bucks, and there was never a desire to raise them anyway. I would love to know how many children have been spit out because of the earned income credit that they need so badly to do away with. A big screen TV and some rims is the price of some children these days. I've done taxes, and I've seen family increases every year. It disgusts me. Subsidized poverty.

Posted by XxxmrhandxxX on October 21, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would not be so desperate for an excuse to blame the media. It's all about how these young men were raised. These are kids!
I totally agree with OldGaDawg. These kids needed "parents" from day one.

Posted by mrjm on October 21, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While you are playing the blame game, please do not forget about the "ABSENTEE FATHER" - you know, the one who did not support his family so the single mother has to work all the time just to pay for a place to live, and the kids are unsupervised and continue to get into trouble.

Yes, please make sure you include that lazy, irresponsible piece of sh*t when you are criticizing the mom - the one that is still here, working herself insane while her ungrateful, lying, lazy azz kids run around with guns, bullying people for money.

You all say it was your mother who kept a tight rein on you and kept you out of trouble - so therefore, it's always the Mom's fault when the kids act up.

Yeah, don't forget DAD and the kids themselves.....

Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 21, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

these young men are and should be punished, but i still will not sit back and have you people calling them thugs. you never called those white trash young boys thug when they kill each other. why the black man has to always be a thug. you punks. go talk to your bad butt kids that knows nothing about disipline just time out. this country is so messed up because you people don't disipline your bad butt kids, and they grow up into your george bushs.

Posted by TheSafetyMan on October 21, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WhoCares,
Well said, sounds like you are the kind of role models these kids need. Kudos to you for your efforts in raising responsible adults.

Posted by UberSCwasp on October 21, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr Pretty -

Is the George Bush a 22 year old black kid living in Section 8 housing in North Charleston with mulitple arrests? If so, then I agree with you.

Posted by WestAshleyMomma on October 21, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a single mom, who raised her son from the time he was 6 years old. His dad died, so I had no help. Every once and a while, my son would say he was going to call DSS. I would tell him go ahead. I would tell him I would dial the number for him. BUT, when they came, he would leave naked, cause EVERYthing he had I bought for him. He couldn't take anything with him. After a while, he stopped threatening me.

Posted by kontact on October 21, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chief-I agree our state leaders are a start

Sometru-You said that these kids are born out of neccisity for a big screen tv or rims. WTF??!! I know that there probaly is ignorant folk that probaly do this but lets not get ridiculous. I dont think young girls are lining up to get pregnant so they can get on welfare and/or food stamps. Not exactly what you call a goal in life. Place blame where it really lies (the parents most likely) and not make generlizations that do nothing but seperate us apart.

Mrjm-your right too- Goes back to holding both parents accountable. Both!!

MrPretty- As a young black male myself I do understand your frustration when it comes to others generalizing OUR generation. We just have to do better though; and learn how to have proper dialogue with others who critique our actions and others whom hold positions of authority in our collective communities. I cant agree with you about the Bush comment though cause just like he's not resposible for every school shooting or rape of young girl out there , Obama's not responsible for the actions of the cyclic violence in our community. They both have positions that call for them to try and address these problems though. One man or person wont be able to fix the problem;we need mass movement by our community to fix these problems with assistance from people in positions to help promote change.

Whocares- You ddo sound like a great role model for YOUR kids too and Im glad to hear that they are headed down the right track in life. Question for you though: While you were raising yours did you take the time to talk to any of the ones in that neighborhod and let them know right from wrong? Did you just tell your kids not to hang out with so and so becauuse they were bad kids or did you tell so and so what direction they were headed in they kept it up? If you reached out to tthe other kids then you have all the respect I can give. If you didnt then Im sure you understand how I feel (as one of those sneaky kids that did wrong away from the my house). Thats what we need in our community and not just people critiquing these kids after the fact. Lets do all we can to prevent it. Imagine the possibilities.

Posted by GG on October 21, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My administrative assistant for 12 years is my hero.

As a black woman with 5 children whose husband left her the week after her last child was born, she reared all 5 to value education and to respect themselves.

She did this without one penny of assistance from her loser husband.

Working 2-3 jobs at a time, she put all 5 through college. Now all 5 are valuable citizens in their communities.

I struggled to rear 2 children WITH a supportive hubby. I can't imagine how difficult her life was, but she showed me that it can be done by anyone who values their childrens' future. So maybe that is the secret, right?

Posted by sc4peace on October 21, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr Pretty- I referred to them as thugs because that's what they are- I can point out many white and Mexican thugs for you as well- I consider someone a thug based on their behavior and desicions...not the color of their skin

Posted by Missing_Home on October 21, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SC4Piece - -- Don't forget those thug brothers "Menendez",or that thug family (in jail for lynching), white trash thugs, every one of them.

Posted by thomaskn on October 21, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

African/American youths of today live in a separate world, a different reality. Their rules are different. Society, poverty and education have alienated them and they live alone in their world encompassed by us, the "good people" of America. It took the element of time for these youths to reach this point; it is going to take time, love, care, money and some effective programs to fix the situation and/or we have not seen the worse of it yet. Blaming the parent(s) is not a solution. Some of these youths are packing and they are rough. Their heads are not the same as an average youth. In many cases the parents are afraid of their own kids. Some fathers are walking around with black eyes and swollen faces from getting beat up by their children. I don't quite know what the solution is but it's not so simple as to say, get a job, or stop wearing your pants like you're a gangster (they are gangsters). The media (music videos), I think also, plays a large part in their failure. If another country wanted to weaken America, a good way would be to pump videos nonstop into our homes and watch us fall. I think we have to recognize these youths are angry and dangerous and don't really care about our way of life. We are going to have to find some effective way to reach these youths and reel them back into our society.

Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 21, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I read some of you all post and found you all not to be quite right about some things. We are the poorest, the sickest, the most unemployed, the most uneducated, and the last in just about everything, but white males are still the greatest danger to our children when it comes to sodomizing, raping, and killing them. Statistically speaking the white male in the U.S. and around the world make up for 75% of all child molestations; all people are not the same. The black man is anatomically and mentally different. Look at how we endured slavery for hundreds of years. It took a lot of stamina to do that and find a way to love the people and the country to the point where we even fought in your wars died and bled for this America that killed one hundred million of us in the slave trade. Yes, it takes a strong race of people to be able to do that. The Black Man is superior morally as well. The white man is morally deficient. He is most likely to commit the most inhuman acts. It is no surprise that white males are still the greatest danger to our children when it comes to sodomizing, raping, and killing them. Statistically speaking, the white male in the U.S. and around the world, make up for 75% of all child molestations. Slavery was easily accepted as a rightness of whiteness.
****, look in the book of Ezekiel 39:1, 16. God tells Ezekiel to warn the Gentiles (the seed of Japheth)
that he would kill them if they didn’t change their ways. In the 6th verse, God said he will send a fire on Magog and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles and they shall know that I am the Lord. The land where the Caucasian and European races lived in the north is referred to as the Isles. When the Bible says that the people that come from the end of the earth (north or Isles) are your enemies, God is referring to the gentiles in Deuteronomy 28:48, 49. In Ezekiel 39:1, God says that the gentiles are his enemies, (white people). God even says it again in Revelations 20:7, “the seed of Japheth (Gentile-Europeans) team up with the devil or Satan to war against God and his people.
**** our God is full of love and mercy, but in the book of Jeremiah 50:41, 42 God says that the Gentiles are cruel and show no mercy. The letters that you post on this site to Black people prove or confirm how cruel God says you are. *****, without our Black Messiah, our Black prophets, our Black apostles, and our Black bible where would you white people be, but on your way to hell.
To the white people the true Messiah is not Caucasian as you have been taught, but as Black as I and his name is Yeshua. White people, you must learn to worship the Black Messiah also known as Jesus Christ from North-east Africa in spirit and in truth if you are going to make it into the Kingdom.
Love and peace,

Posted by halfsheli on October 21, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Pretty, I, too understand your anger. Here, however it is misplaced. I'm not sure how your post is relevant to the the fact that two CHILDREN (no matter their race or neighborhood) had so little respect for themselves, for their parents and family, for their community, for Trammel that they murdered someone. How does your rant address that?

Posted by halfsheli on October 21, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And how exactly does your attitude benefit young black men (and boys)? Or anyone else for that matter?

Posted by sc4peace on October 21, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow- Mr. Pretty- what kind of hallucinogens have you been taking today? That is the funniest post I have read to date. You scream racism, yet look at what you just wrote about white people! What about your "African Brothers" that sold you??? The white people alive today had nothing to do with the victims of slavery and my friend- you weren't even alive back then, so get off your high horse and get back to you NAACP meeting. No wonder the statistics you included about African Americans are so awful...if any of them listen to you they are doomed for life...yOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE RACIST MEMBERS OF THE KKK...preaching hate and showing the world how ignorant some people still are...

Posted by woodrob12 on October 21, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Pretty's obviously seeing a whole team of psychiatrists. If Obama becomes president it's going to be very tough to use that victim card anymore.

"I can't get this job or that job because of the color of my skin..." But a Black man can become president? Give it a rest.

Posted by yird on October 21, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With the exception of a few like evilgenius and who cares, most of these posts are nothing more than a pile of sanctimonious crap.

Posted by trish on October 21, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It seems like we are hating again,these are still children ,will all of you who are saying these words of hate ,stop and think about what you are saying about these children,did you just ride through Liberty Hill slow down and look at them standing on the streets,or did you stop and spoke some life into them,did you find out why they weren't in school,or did you just say well thats not my child,the problem is some of you have been bless with good jobs a nice place to stay nice cars good club to join,or yes some are even going to CHURCH now,but did you ask that child or his parents to go to church or ask did she have food for her children because the father is not there anymore,see it is up to us, to change the children not the police,I have watch children change ,most mother's have tried and prayed and prayed asking God to please send someone to talk to the child for them,but instead you drive by with your heads turn away ,turning your backs and say someone need to do something about those kids.when you get bless go back to where you was and help someone else come out of( yourself) save a life or just do not say anything else.I pray that we will begin to love all of these children young and old that we are seeing on the streets I pray that the parents will begin to love them no matter what they are doing ,because Love is so strong,I also pray that that those families will find peace in God because all are hurting right now,Lord please help us to love one another it does not matter if we are rich or poor let us not just go to church ,but let us be the Church and get out on the streets and begin to love and pray for these children ones who can bless ,bless some of those mothers who are in need.please let us pray for these children souls .Remember we have children also!

Posted by UberSCwasp on October 21, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang - I didn't know it was my job to stop and talk to other people's kids....

Wait, it isn't!

Stopping to talk to "kids" on a corner in Liberty Hill and other crappy places makes you a target.

Stopping to talk to kids in a white neighborhood makes you a creep.

I think I'll just keep driving by.

Posted by Lovely_One on October 21, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not one to jump on the "we need leaders" bandwagon. I say it is all about personal responsibility and the parents being real parents. I don't expect Dot Scott, Barrak Obama, Revs Al or Jessie, et al. to come into my home and teach my children all of the things that I should teach them. I don't expect them to be role models for my children when their father and I are the first and best role models they have.

Then, the younger kids have their older siblings to look up to. If I do my job right, the trickle down effect will be phenominal and then my kids can go out and be positive role models for their peers and those that are coming up behind them.

My husband and I are raising 6 children, soon to be 7 and we are not looking to anyone but us to be "leaders" for them.

Oh, and why the heck was this case tried in family court? And why were their faces not plastered all over the place so we could know who to look out for when these idiots turn 21 and are released back into society. This was a BS sentence!

Posted by singleroni on October 21, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe if north charleston had a police force instead of traffic enforcement and a mayor instead of a noisette creek representative something could be done.

Posted by kontact on October 21, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

UBERSC-ohh my gosh I shouldnt be laughing at your comment but dang. :)

Trish-I agree

Thomas-To the beginning I agree-It took a matter of time for US to get to where we are at and its going to take just about that much more to get us out of our predicament

Mrpretty-Like I said brother I DO understand some of your frustrations with this world but you do have to learn and channel that anger better. Some of your ideas only promote alienating OUR generation from mainstream America. We have got to teach these kids that you can still be tru to yourself and succeed. Talking proper is not talking white, its called talking proper. Whites here in Chas talk GEECHIE along with the blacks (especially the older whites), but you have got to talk proper english away from here. Just like we cant do somethings we do in mainstream cause it woulod be looked at differently. These kids do need guidance and we all should be positive role models for our future generations.

Posted by outrage on October 21, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

singleroni - I was waiting for somebody to blame the Police. Nice, you better go now NASA is on the phone for you. Genius!

Posted by chs294 on October 21, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Something was done singleroni, 2 teens were arrested and convicted. Now, if you would like NCPD to follow you around and stop you before you might do something illegal maybe we can arraign that. No police force can stop all crime. Maybe if we lived in a communist or socialist state, then maybe ..hmmmm

Posted by bootlicked on October 21, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr Pretty: You have to be around your kids to molest them you ignorant racist moron. Get a life and educate your self in the real world. Move to Dufar and enjoy freedom that was taken from you. Who is your preacher Rev .Jeremiah Wright ? You are so silly I hope you enjoy being miserable because with your attitude that is how it will remain for you. Please nika!

Posted by bootlicked on October 21, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Pretty our bad butt kids might just be little obamas. He is half white devil yah know. I hope you are sterile. Ihope you aren't anyones role model. You could be a rapper you just might be the role model of thousands of poor mentally superior kids. ha ha ha ha

Posted by bootlicked on October 21, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if Obama's great great grandad was someone's massa Mr. Pretty?

Posted by bunting on October 21, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A snapshot of the enormity of the dilemma of getting control of North Charleston High School.

Posted by tmh32 on October 22, 2008 at 1:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bottom line:
Take them out of the Gene Pool. then that will be 3 less scumbags. I really don't care how old they were. It's time society stopped looking the other way.
To start fixing the problem at the bottom:
Allowing any SINGLE person or couple to have more than one child while recieving public assistance has to stop. If you have a child while on public assistance, you get steralized and maybe even have the pregnancy aborted. there are birth controle options out there and personal or religious objections no longer matter. It is NOT OUR (rest of society) responcibility to pay for their care. One step at a time, this kind of behaviour has to be stopped at the family level. May sound harsh but I've known a woman and heard other women talking (her friends / relatives) about how they are going to get pregnant by so and so to get extra money in their benefit check. and also get 'so and so' (boyfriend?) to pay too. I've also heard of the 'punk BOY' getting the girl knocked up to get extra money for other reasons. It sickens me. I don't care if I sound racist or harsh, the truth hurts.

Posted by ed52 on October 22, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mr pretty , do you go to obama's church? the bible teaches you to love YOUR enemies ( white people) . there is healing for your hatred(and your preacher) ,if you will just ask.
any bible reader knows jesus wasn't caucasion. his love is beyond skin color.