He said, she said
VP candidates spar over Iraq, energy policy
JIM KUHNHENN
AP
Gov. Sarah Palin
AP
Sen. Joe Biden
Reader poll
Who won the vice presidential debate?
- Sen. Joe Biden 48% 594 votes
- Gov. Sarah Palin 51% 622 votes
1216 total votes.
ST. LOUIS - Under intense scrutiny, Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin stood her ground Thursday night against a vastly more experienced Sen. Joe Biden, debating the economy, energy and global warming, then challenging him on Iraq, 'especially with your son in the National Guard.'
The Alaska governor also noted that Biden had once said Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama wasn't ready to be commander in chief, 'and I know again that you opposed the move that he made to try to cut off funding for the troops and I respect you for that.'
Biden responded that Sen. John McCain, too, had voted against funding, and said the Republican presidential candidate had been 'dead wrong on the fundamental issues relating to the conduct of the war.'
The clash over Iraq was the most personal, and pointed, of the 90-minute debate in which Palin repeatedly cast herself as a non-Washington politician, part of a 'team of mavericks' that she said was ready to bring change to a country demanding it.
From the opening moments of the debate, Biden sought to make McCain out as a straight-ahead successor to an unpopular President Bush. 'He voted four out of five times for George Bush's budget, which put us a half-trillion dollars in debt and over $4 trillion in debt since he got here,' he said of McCain.
Palin merely accused Biden of reciting the past rather than looking to the future. 'Americans are cravin' that straight talk' that McCain offers, she said.
The two running mates debated for 90 minutes on a stage at Washington University, their only encounter of a campaign with little more than one month to go.
Palin faced enormous challenges of her own, though. After five weeks as McCain's ticket-mate, her poll ratings had begun dropping and even some conservatives have questioned her readiness for high public office.
Her solo campaign events are few, and she has drawn ridicule for some of her answers in the few interviews she has granted - including her claim that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her an insight into foreign policy.
After intense preparation - including two days at McCain's home in Sedona, Ariz., there was only one obvious stumble, when she twice referred to the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan as 'General McClellan.' His name is David McKiernan.
Biden's burden was not nearly as fundamental. Although he has long had a reputation for long-windedness, he is a veteran of more than 35 years in the Senate, with a strong knowledge of foreign policy as well as domestic issues.
For much of the evening, the debate unfolded in traditional vice presidential fashion - the running mates praising their own presidential candidate and denigrating the other.
Palin said Obama had voted to raise taxes 94 times - an allegation that Biden disputed and then countered. By the same reckoning, he said, McCain voted '477 times to raise taxes.'
They clashed over energy policy, as well, when Palin said Obama's vote for a Bush administration-backed bill granted breaks to the oil industry. By contrast, she said that as governor, she had stood up to the same industry, and noted that McCain had voted against the bill Obama supported.
Biden said that in the past decade, McCain had voted '20 times against funding alternative energy sources and thinks, I guess, the only answer is drill, drill, drill.'
'The chant is, 'drill, baby drill,'?' Palin countered quickly, unwilling to yield to Biden on that issue - or any other.
On the environment, Palin declined to attribute the cause of climate change to man-made activities alone. 'There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet,' she said.
Biden said the cause was clearly man-made, and added, 'If you don't understand what the cause is, it's virtually impossible to come up with a solution.'
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ballachulish (anonymous) says...
George Will, Kathleen Parker, & David Brooks, all conservative hacks, have stated that Palin is a cringe-worthy ignoramous who doesn't posess any credible qualifications for being the VP.
Be prepared for every respectable US publication to endorse Obama in the next few weeks, the New Yorker already has made the case for Obama, the others will follow.
October 3, 2008 at 5:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
BS BC get off the left wing shows and it's just the opposite. In a poll taken during the debate of likely voters split 50/50 she overwhelmingly swayed the vote, according to Frank Lutz.
I think Biden mopped her up but look at his lies while doing so. ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
She didn't embarass the ticket and thats enough. I wished she would have attacked him more on Obama's affilliations with the head of Fanny mae and Freddy mack. This crook is the main reason and the democratic congress, that we are in the financial melt down we are in. They pushed to give low income house holds loans all the while John McCain was crying foul. THAT'S A FACT! Quit drinking the coolaide people and look it up yourself.
October 3, 2008 at 6:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DanniD (anonymous) says...
I think no matter how you look at it, we are screwed with Obama or Mccain. We are in a huge mess, and will continue to be for a very long time. It dosen't matter who takes office because they will not be able to change anything over night. It is going to be a long time before things are cleaned up.
October 3, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
educatormd32 (anonymous) says...
Let's just be honest! Most people of the caucasian persuasian cannot even fathom following a leader from another ethnicity. If you want facts and not opinion, visit all the nondenominational churches in America. They would rather follow someone who is caucasian and incompetent rather than a qualified applicant of another ethnicity. Additionally, if you don't believe me, take a look at Wall Street,corporate America and even the executive suites in SC. As many of my friends state "facts are facts." You cannot argue with the data.
October 3, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLWDALFAN (anonymous) says...
a muslim in the white house. i can't believe that america is so bent on change that it will follow obama in masses.
He grew up in a muslim environment, attended muslim schools, hates white people, will stand by his muslim brothers no matter what. What the heck are we thinking here?
I for one am voting for Mccain, i feel he has the qualifications to set us back on course. also, i like the fact he doesn't hate white people, lol
October 3, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogfan (anonymous) says...
Who's the racist educatormd32? Sounds like you are. Obama is blindly supported overwhelming by blacks. Why? Because of his color; pure and simple. That is by definition racism. The fact that he gets 40 percent of the white vote disproves your idiotic point. If people of "caucasion persuasian" were as you say, he would only be getting 10 percent or less of the white support, just like the number of blacks supporting McCain. There is the racism. Obama is nothing but the Pied Piper for blacks and the tonic for left wingers. A toxic combination.
October 3, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madcity (anonymous) says...
No matter who wins this race, SC will still be the most racist state in America.
October 3, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LocalHero (anonymous) says...
Seems to me both candidates handled themselves successfully. For Biden supporters this was not such a surprise but Palin supporters can rejoice in her generally gaffe-free performance.
Look at some of the non-partisan fact check sites and you'll see that both candidates "exaggerated" their points often which I guess is sadly just the nature of the beast.
Will this debate sway any fence sitters? Maybe a few but it won't be a turning point for many is my guess.
Personally I think McCain's choice in Palin is such a blatant attempt to win the female vote that it's insulting. Would he have chosen such a candidate if she were a male? Of course not. She wouldn't have even been considered.
McCain has had a large hand in all of the de-regulation in the financial world that has helped bring us to the current "crisis". That alone turns me away from him.
I'm a 53 yr old white male who is solidly in Obama's camp at this point. I hope he proves to be what he seems to be.
October 3, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Educator:
You're painting with a wide brush when you narrow the statement down to the color of a person's skin. I realize I'm new to the south but most of the people I talk to appear to be interested in issues. I can list my reasons why I could never vote for Obama but skin color is not one of them.
But I realize race with be an issue to the race peddlers.
October 3, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dude (anonymous) says...
Palin did better than expected (i.e. she didn't outright embarrass herself), but can anyone honestly say that they would be proud to have her in the White House? Don't you want leaders that have firm grasp on the issues instead of having someone who has to cram them into her head a few days before a debate? She clearly does not have the intelligence or knowledge to be a heartbeat away from the most powerfull position on the planet. Bush and his bad foreign and domestic policies have been enough of a disaster and embarrassment for the past 8 years. Let's not have 4 more years of the same.
October 3, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
georgia_fan (anonymous) says...
To Obama fans: Have you all forgotten that it was Muslims who brought the towers down? FYI He is NOT the Messiah!
October 3, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mtw999 (anonymous) says...
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
""George Will, Kathleen Parker, & David Brooks, all conservative hacks, have stated that Palin is a cringe-worthy ignoramous who doesn't posess any credible qualifications for being the VP.""
Hacks? The bias runs strong with this guy. I'd be very curious to see links to the articles where ANY of these people called her "a cringe-worthy ignoramous."
""Be prepared for every respectable US publication to endorse Obama in the next few weeks, the New Yorker already has made the case for Obama, the others will follow.""
Respectable? LOL. OMG, they all are in the tank for liberals and have been for quite some time. I am pretty sure most Republicans, especially Conservatives, are "deathly terrified" the liberal media will endorse... a liberal. By the way, let's ask Mr. Kerry and Mr. Gore how well those endorsements panned out...
Grow up man, seriously.
""Most people of the caucasian persuasian cannot even fathom following a leader from another ethnicity.""
Wow. Someone playing the race card. Who'd a thunk... Nice!
Seriously, Senator Biden seemed to perform well until you check his claims and once again, he distorted the truth and flat out lied. One can hardly say he mopped the floor with Gov. Palin when a significant portion of his "points" were lies.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
SC will tilt heavily for John McCain, it's just that simple. Sorry.
I don't like either one of them, to be honest. McCain isn't anything that even remotely resembles a conservative but he is marginally better for this country than Obama.
Anyone with half a brain knows this to be true, despite all the "facts..."
Way to go with the article, btw. Cast doubt on Palin because she mis-pronounced one guy's name the whole debate, but just happen to miss ALL of Biden's distortions and flat out lies.
Media bias on a 1 to 10 scale:
7
October 3, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
captivated (anonymous) says...
It is hard to say anything wrong when you don't say anything at all. All Palin did was read off her cue cards that were written by McCain. You can't take a crash course to be vp. I would like to see her debate Biden in an open forum with no teleprompters. She would be crying in twenty minutes.
October 3, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
educator-there are a # of "people of color" who have had the highest respect of those of the "Caucasian persuasion" & been in positions of leadership where Caucasian folks have followed.
There were, as 1 example, many Caucasians begging Colin Powell to run for the presidency. While race undoubtedly & unfortunately remains a factor in the thoughts & decisions of many, it alone cannot always be "blamed" for the reasons a candidate is not supported by a group of people. Furthermore, look at all the Caucasian folks who ARE supporting Obama.
Are you saying that those who do not support Obama made that choice based on the man's color? Does that include all the people of color who do not support him? Or does your theory apply only to those of the "Caucasian persuasion" who do not support Obama?
October 3, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bjb79 (anonymous) says...
Listen, many of these comments are so full of racist rhetoric, it just shows how uninformed people are of the candidates. We, as Americans have the freedom to vote for whomever we want, but if you are going to vote, at least be informed of who you'll vote for. Look at the issues, and not the color of skin. Go to their websites, and see what their views are. Forget about Democrats and Republicans, and vote for who you think will make the best president, and start to take our country in the right direction again. And for those of you going back on the Muslim accusation, it's old! We all know the truth on that one, it's been proven over and over again that Obama is not Muslim. Not that it should matter. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims, good Christians and bad Christians, Good Jews and Bad Jews. We all sin, and we can all claim a religion, but it's about following the religion that is important. And for those of you who say he's Muslim, are you yourselves Christian? I am, and I was taught "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." Luke 6:37. I don't judge on skin color, or religion, I look at their character. Please get informed before you vote. This is the most important election of our time, and you don't have a lot of time left.
October 3, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Both of them kept saying that they have a plan but neither explained HOW the plan would be implemented...and that's my problem with politicians:
"Say what the public wants to hear then, once we're in office, we'll work on how to make some of that stuff we promised work."
Poli = Many
Tics = Blood Sucking Vermin
I've done my research and am voting against all incumbents, Dem or Repub. I think voting on your party line is the dumbest thing to do right now.
October 3, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
As far as experience goes, Biden has TOO MUCH as a long time Washington liberal insider. When the President and VP show up at the White HOuse, they come with a team of advisers, who have the experience. The Pres and VP just take in the information and make the important decisions. NO QUESTION, I trust Sarah Palin as a decision-maker far more than Joe Biden. She's right in that he is always looking back. To anyone who knows history, HE was the one who looked pathetically naive last night. He looks back to the old Soviet Union with awe and wonder and says "we can get it right". Sorry, no you can't. Government isn't the answer. The best thing the govt can do is get out of the way. The old school liberal was shown to be the one out of touch with main street America.
October 3, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teach7775 (anonymous) says...
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight. ..
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grand parents, you're ' exotic, different.
'Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story .
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track , you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard Law School and you are unstable. Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating , you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate repre senting a state of 13 milli on people while sponsoring 131 bills and servi ng on the Forei gn Affai rs, Envir onmen t and Publi c Works and Veter an's Affai rs commi ttees , you don' t have any real leade rship exper ience .
If your total resum e is: local weath er girl, 4 years on the city counc il and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 month s as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency .
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month , you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are "eroding the fiber of society.
"
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state 's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you' re very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don' t represent America's.
If you' re husband is nicknamed ' First Dude' , with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn' t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advoc ated the secession of Alaska
from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now. Glad we got that cleared up
October 3, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheHawg (anonymous) says...
DanniD, you are probably correct in saying we don't have much of a choice.
I wish everyone would look at Chuck Baldwin from the Constitution Party. I think he might be a good choice, but I'll probably just vote for the lesser of two evils, as not to waste my vote.
Be careful out there,
TheHawg
October 3, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Teach7775, I agree.....you're confused. Your version of the facts is somewhat true but some of it is downright entertaining. I don't know of anyone who considers John McCain a good Christian. But to call that "church" a church is beyond comprehension. Remember, Aryan Nations is a "church" also, but I don't anyone who considers them Christians either. Speaking as a college graduate, college is overrated. All it really proves is that you would do very well on Jeopardy. McCain is the lesser of two evils. He is far from a good candidate in my eyes. But Biden proved last night just how radical he and Obama are. Sarah is not as slick and polished as Obama and Biden, but that is just the point. She is not a political machine, but a real person. She can actually think for herself, contrary to the left's accusations. She has proven that she does not walk in lock-step with the Republicans. Thank God, because both parties suck.
October 3, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
No Teach7775, you have missed the whole problem we have with Obama. He is a Far Left, Liberal, Socialist "White Guy"
trying to pass for black so as to garnish the "Black Vote".
He is a street thug in a suit. Someone who isn't fit to carry water for the good General Powell.
Maybe you should get a complete listing of Obamas accomplishments and read well. Quite a horror story.....
NoBama-08
October 3, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teach7775 (anonymous) says...
I know what you mean.....Did all you McCain supporters vote for bush??
October 3, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
TheHawg, I've followed the Constitution Party off an on for years. They've got a lot of good people with good ideas. Third parties sadly don't work. They should attempt a hostile takeover of the Republican Party and go after all of them in the primaries next time around.
October 3, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
Obama says, "Bill of Rights, Bill of Rights, we don't need no stinking Bill of Rights!".......NoBama-08
October 3, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsPiggy (anonymous) says...
I just want to say one thing:
Why is it that when Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant and had her baby, the whole thing was glamorized. Mind you, Jamie Lynn was 16 YEARS OLD when she got pregnant. Everyone was HOO HAAING and OOH AHHING over the whole thing, Jamie and her baby was on the cover of OK! magazine after the birth, and all of Hollywood couldn't be happier. People were wishing her well, sending her gifts, and blah blah.
Oh but NO! As soon as we find out that Sarah Palin's teenage un-wed daughter gets pregnant, OH HELL NO! She gets slammed, she's called a hyprocrite, and poor Bristol Palin gets the poo thrown at her.
And you parents out there know that it doesn't matter how well you raise your kids, it doesn't matter if their raised in a 'perfect' Christian environment, with an abstinence message preached to them everyday. They are going to do what they want to do, regardless of how they were raised.
I'm sure that all of you who are pointing out that Bristol got pregnant before she was married, and doggin' her for it, actually I'D BET ON IT, that those same people had sex before they were married. So everyone who's had sex before they were married have NO RIGHT to slam Sarah Palin's daughter for getting pregnant before she was married. Those people are just lucky that they didn't get pregnant.
Why is it Palin's fault her daughter got pregnant? Oh that's right, I'm sure the only reasonable thing Sarah could have done was to lock Bristol up in the bedroom, making sure she didn't have any contact with anything with a penis.
Okay
October 3, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Posted by Teach7775 on October 3, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know what you mean.....Did all you McCain supporters vote for bush??
Same story, lesser of two evils. We could have had "Ozone Al" or John Kerry, who admitted that when he found out about the attacks on 9-11 "for about 45 minutes I just sat there and couldn't even think" Bush made mistakes but both alternatives would have been even worse...far worse.
October 3, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
berthelot (anonymous) says...
I heard Palin on Hannity's radio show Wed. It was like a dress rehearsal - you could almost hear the pages turning. She did well last night.
October 3, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nappyd (anonymous) says...
wow, all these long comments over a position that doesn't really do anything. gotta admit though, that cougar looks smoking hot in HD. even with the freckles around her collarbone.
October 3, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teach7775 (anonymous) says...
We need to get as far away from Bush policies as we can..
October 3, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dude (anonymous) says...
No one thinks that Obama is the "Messiah". We do know that he is not a Joe six pack poorly educated average american. I don't want average in the White House. I want well-educated, far above average in the White House. And when did Alaska become the "heartland of America", as Palin said? She has absolutely no foreign policy experience, which we desperately need now. I have a lot of respect for McCain for his years of service to the country in the military and in politics, but I think he will be 4 more years of bad Republican foreign and domestic policies. Obama is no Messiah, neither is Biden, but they are both a better choice to get this country back on track.
October 3, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uscbmc (anonymous) says...
Palin did a great job. She was very poised and spoke on issues that the McCain admistration will take up in just a couple of short months.
I do wish that the Obama/Biden ticket would be more specific about what they would do if they were to get elected. Someone needs to tell them that they are running against John McCain and not George Bush.
For a couple of "forwad looking" guys, Obama and Biden sure spend a lot of their time looking in the rear view mirror.
October 3, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Canned responses???
There's an internet rumor that Obama might not even be human, and that there is a panic over what to do if he's elected and it rains during the inauguration.
October 3, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
Obama should just give it up and go back to being a homey.
Heres a little something to send him and Biden off.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh...
...NoBama-08
October 3, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
I only watched a few minutes of the debate before I turned it off, because there is absolutely nothing Biden or anyone else could possibly say that will get me to vote for Obama.
October 3, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
counterpoint (anonymous) says...
Thomas1776, love how you keep throwing the Hussein in there.
Check out Thomas Lee Dillon, Thomas Bunday, or Thomas Piper. All serial killers. Oh my god, I bet your family doesn't even know!
Jane, seriously... ACORN and the CRA have nothing to do with the credit crisis. Bankers, mortgage brokerages, mortgage brokers, and every jackass who got an interest-only, 100% finance ARM on a property with the blind hope that its appreciation would cover the adjusted rates is to blame. Any of us with credit card debt that is the result of nights out at the bar, flat screen TVs, or anything to which we feel entitled but cannot buy with cash - we are all to blame. We are financing the sale of our own country. It crosses party lines, it crosses economic lines, and crosses beyond sensibility.
As far as the cries of government being the problem... people, who the hell do you think the government IS? Who pays for it?
Damn it I wish more of you would engage your brains.
October 3, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q
October 3, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
I'm still not sure who I am going to vote for, but IMO Palin seemed nervous on the stage and look like she was very uncomfortable. Biden answered every question like a robot.
I got tired of Palin winking her eye and calling McCain a maverick, Biden was quick on his answers, but he was so monotone.
I'm sure I will make my mind up by the next debate, I almost know who I want to vote for anyway.
October 3, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tmi (anonymous) says...
Well, I thought she was awful! I think that when it came to the economy she really let the American people down. I was so sick of hearing her say "let's get back to energy" and all her "shout outs" to Alaska! The media pissed all over themselves last night just because she didn't fall flat. Wow! Gov. Palin is just like other politicians! She can avoid answering questions and talk about the only issue she seems to know about--energy--because let's face it foreign policy is not her specialty. I really can't stand the media forming an opinion about this election. And be careful because it depends on what news channel you watch-some say Palin won and on others Biden won. That's how I assume Americans form their opinion. Let's all be sheep and follow what others are saying. Just because she is attractive and good at public speaking doesn't mean she won the debate. Trust me when I say this if you make less than 250,000 dollars a year you are screwed if McCain wins this election. There is no doubt about it. This is Bush all over again!
Anyway it doesn't matter; we need a real change in this country! Obama!
October 3, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
2cents (anonymous) says...
Palin referred to the average American citizen as "Joe six pack" and "soccer Moms". I am neither. And neither are most of the people I know. That's her and her husband. Just how many times DID she call McCain a "maverick"? 3,4,5? Is that the only word she can come up with to describe him and his accomplishments? If so, that's really sad. And the winking and soft, sexy voice were just too much. Get off the stage Sarah!
October 3, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Deborrah (anonymous) says...
I understand why God didn't talk to Sarah, Abraham's wife. Sarah Palin must have Susan B. Anthony crying in her grave. She is a poor example of why women fought to get the vote.
October 3, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Interviewer Katie Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state.
******Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, considers Palin "extremely responsive and smart" and says she is in charge when it comes to in-state services, such as emergencies and natural disasters where the National Guard is the first responder.
But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.***********
October 3, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hadenuff (anonymous) says...
Sarah Palin whipped Biden's butt.
October 3, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
I believe Jane's point about Sarh Palin being in on the all "those top secret military stuff, don't ya know" has been disproven!
And for Sarah's most recent blunder: Sarah Palin has been forced to apologize after she mistakenly claimed she had met with British ambassador Nigel Sheinwald at an event which he did not actually attend.
October 3, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tmi (anonymous) says...
Jane, get the facts straight. Obama was upset with a Chicago-based radio station, he never said anything about tv stations or taking away their licenses. You are taking things out of context.
October 3, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I was distracted several times because Biden kept staring and smiling at her like a creepy old guy who wanted to bone her.For someone to bring up that Palin's husband isn't college educated is ridiculous.First of all,they let complete idiots into college.A college degree doesn't prove much anymore.My SIL is teaching at a college and she has students who literally cannot form an fn sentence.She has had to return papers with,"I do not understand what you are trying to say" on the top.One of her students spelled the word college as collage-3 TIMES on a paper!So college proves what?What an obnoxious,elitist attitude.I'm absolutely SICK of being accused of being a racist because I don't like O'Bama.So thats all O'Bama supporters have-the race card.I hate O'Bama.But I like and admire Condoleezza Rice.So am I still a racist?
October 3, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
tmi - Jane makes up all her stuff! Or she cuts & pastes from right wing websites.
October 3, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
Palin was script for the word go! She has no experience what so ever compared to Senator Joe Biden!
As I said previously, I am not a big supported of either presidential candidate, but MY main concern is because she lacks experience in several areas, should old man McCain fall ill or just die from old age, Sarah Palin will be our next president of the United States! Is this who we want to lead this country? HELL NO!
Everyone knows that McCain choose Palin to sway the female voters who are sitting on the fence, simply because Obama did not choose MY first choice Hillary Clinton as his running mate, but get it into your thick skulls people, she is not and will never be Hillary Clinton!
Finally, I must admit I that did respect the fact both her and Joe Biden agreed that same sex couples should be entitled to the same right as any married couple. Yet personally, I think very little of her every time she talks about how important her family is to her, yet she parades around her pregnant 17 year old daughter,(let's not forget Sarah was also 3 months pregnant before she got married too) and her Down syndrome baby as a sympathy ploy.
It appears that she's more interested in being vice president, than she is about being a caring and compassion MOM!
October 3, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Do you have proof DontTaseMe_Bro?Or just a hunch?
October 3, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
doiseeu2 (anonymous) says...
Palin referred to General McClellan as the General in Afghanistan and that's when I started to question my own intelligence on current events because I could've swore that McKiernan was the general in Afghanistan....then I realized what was going on....I had to set aside, for a moment, the fact that the substance of Palin's meaningless chatter and incoherent response was wrong. She apparently got her centuries and wars mixed up.
Quote:
PALIN: Well, first, McClellan did not say definitively the surge principles would not work in Afghanistan. Certainly, accounting for different conditions in that different country and conditions are certainly different. We have NATO allies helping us for one and even the geographic differences are huge but the counterinsurgency principles could work in Afghanistan. McClellan didn't say anything opposite of that. The counterinsurgency strategy going into Afghanistan, clearing, holding, rebuilding, the civil society and the infrastructure can work in Afghanistan. And those leaders who are over there, who have also been advising George Bush on this have not said anything different but that.
The problem is, General McClellan was a general in the CIVIL WAR. General McKiernan is the general in Afghanistan. That could be considered an honest mistake because of nerves and wouldn't be such a big deal IF we didn't have troops over there fighting at this moment and IF she wasn't going to possibly one day be next in line for the office of Commander in Chief.
October 3, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
noname Are you kidding me?Parades around her pregnant daughter?Should she lock her up?Or maybe she shouldve went the democrats way and forced her to have an abortion?And her disabled baby being a sympathy ploy?So what did she have a handicapped child on purpose?
October 3, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
coolfreaknbeans,
Education is not a priority in the Palin household.
The pregnant daughter dropped out in 11th grade, the baby's daddy has also dropped out, and the 10th grader is not in school either. I guess Toddy graduating from high school and Sarah's 6 colleges in 6 years degree is about the best that family can do.
October 3, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
"Posted by DontTaseMe_Bro on October 3, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just so you all know- Jane is one of many screen names used by the same person (John_Doe45, jeff61, chascarolinagirl, southbel, and a_set_love and more)
He used to be tripsa (until he got booted, LMFAO), this guy's a real whack job. He literally has conversations with himself on here using different screen names. A real loser and sick puppy."
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Thats funny, I always thought you were tripsa. Not even 1 cell living in that excuse of a brain you have.
October 3, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Jane - difference in Nonames account is that you are blaming baby Obama for his mother mistake; while negating PALIN's mistake.
It is a wonder you can speak....talking out both sides of your mouth at once is difficult.
October 3, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston21 (anonymous) says...
I enjoy when people claim Palin does not have "experience." She has more executive experience than Biden, Barack, and McCain combined (which is zero). Those three have more Washington crony political experience that has failed us as a nation.
And to the idiots who are claiming that she is not a good Mother because she is running for VP or is governor of Alaska...that is just an assinine statement.
I vote we all write in Jim Demint's name for president.
October 3, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Exactly Jane.No mentions that O'Bamas father ran out on them either.Yet he looked up to him like a super hero type figure....until he met him.(O'Bamas thoughts from his book)
October 3, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.
"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."
"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.
"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.
"Why? Where are you going to, John?"
"Oh, I'm going to Rio."
"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"
McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.
"I got a better chance of getting laid."
Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
October 3, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
No Bro unlike you who have been booted so many times no one can keep track...almost as bad as the daily lies Obama puts out...I have always had the same screen name and have never posted under any other....
October 3, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dude (anonymous) says...
coolfreaknbeans- so a college education isn't important???
Would you go to a doctor, lawyer, dentist or acoountant that hadn't been to college? Would you drive over a bridge built by someone who has not been to college? Palin's 5 colleges in 6 yrs before getting a degree is not a very good record of personal education. I know that colleges don't teach huntin' and fishin', but a college education is important to learning about the world, broadening ones horizons and developing an open mind, which is important for being VP. I agree with you, the average student today is not as good as he/she used to be (with many, many exceptions of course), but she was going to school 20+ yrs ago. Personally, I would like someone who is well-educated in the White House, who has a broad view of the world, and has foreign policy experience. Palin got her first passport last year. Heck, I guess I have more foreign policy experience than she does. I know that I have more education.
October 3, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teach7775 (anonymous) says...
More of the same... How has the "same" been???
October 3, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Jane - for someone that tries to paint themselves as better informed, better on facts and better because of your belief in God......you are a pretty low person. Are you suggesting that he should have been aborted?
About Obamas college records.....what about Palin's tax records?
October 3, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
From: The Nation
John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero people would logically imagine to be a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books.
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October 3, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Almost as striking is the manner in which the mainstream press has shied from reporting the POW story and McCain's role in it, even as McCain has made his military service and POW history the focus of his presidential campaign. Reporters who had covered the Vietnam War have also turned their heads and walked in other directions. McCain doesn't talk about the missing men, and the press never asks him about them.
The sum of the secrets McCain has sought to hide is not small. There exists a telling mass of official documents, radio intercepts, witness depositions, satellite photos of rescue symbols that pilots were trained to use, electronic messages from the ground containing the individual code numbers given to airmen, a rescue mission by a Special Forces unit that was aborted twice by Washington and even sworn testimony by two defense secretaries that "men were left behind." This imposing body of evidence suggests that a large number--probably hundreds--of the US prisoners held in Vietnam were not returned when the peace treaty was signed in January 1973 and Hanoi released 591 men, among them Navy combat pilot John S. McCain.
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October 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
The Pentagon had been withholding significant information from POW families for years. What's more, the Pentagon's POW/MIA operation had been publicly shamed by internal whistleblowers and POW families for holding back documents as part of a policy of "debunking" POW intelligence even when the information was obviously credible. The pressure from the families and Vietnam veterans finally produced the creation, in late 1991, of a Senate "Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs." The chair was John Kerry, but McCain, as a POW, was its most pivotal member. In the end, the committee became part of the debunking machine.
Included in the evidence that McCain and his government allies suppressed or tried to discredit is a transcript of a senior North Vietnamese general's briefing of the Hanoi Politburo, discovered in Soviet archives by an American scholar in the 1990s. The briefing took place only four months before the 1973 peace accords. The general, Tran Van Quang, told the Politburo members that Hanoi was holding 1,205 American prisoners but would keep many of them at war's end as leverage to ensure getting reparations from Washington.
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October 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
outrage (anonymous) says...
doiseeu2 - Nice try! You just repeated the exact same words as Rachel"air america"Maddow. You keep watching MSNBC and you will never be objective.
October 3, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006...
the rest of the article can be followed up at the link above.
So, what do we take from this? McCain was and is a traitor to the United States of America. How many military deaths from Vietnam can be laid at his feet? We may not find out for years, he keeps blocking the release of the files......
October 3, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
"She didn't embarass the ticket and thats enough."
WOW! Are some people SO willing to vote party lines that they lower their expectations SO much?
That's just what I want in a VP -- someone who at least doesn't embarrass the party. It's okay if they embarras our country or themselves, just not the almighty Republican party. Now, I get the state of our federal government!
October 3, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
teach7775 -- I think I love you!
October 3, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-d6WPTXa8&f...
Obama says, "Bill of Rights, Bill of Rights, we don't need no stinking Bill of Rights!".......NoBama-08
October 3, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
Sarah Palin is an Anti-feminist, close-minded snake and is so over head that I feel sorry for her. She is a setback for all females and I pray to God they do not win, just because of her. John McCain had my vote until he picked this woman....
October 3, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
doiseeu2 (anonymous) says...
QUOTE:
doiseeu2 - Nice try! You just repeated the exact same words as Rachel"air america"Maddow. You keep watching MSNBC and you will never be objective.
Sorry, I didn't see that Rachel Maddow had said that, but it's good to know that there are other intelligent people out there that don't have the "git 'er done' mentality that the Republicans are counting on, can see through the McCain/Palin theatrics and know what's going on in the world.
October 3, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Teach7775 (anonymous) says...
halfsheli- How u doin???
Does anyone honestly think electing McCain would not be more of the same BS that the Bush Admin. has been feeding us for the past 8 years.....
Say what you will about Obama......but between the two.....he is a MUCH better choice.....
Bush has our country in the toilet, and I honestly think McCain will flush us the first chance he gets.......
We need the polar opposite of what Bush has done to America... How can we not see that?????
October 3, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
WHY IS McCain Lying?
Presidential candidate John McCain denied that the Soviets interrogated U.S. POWs in Vietnam. But, former U.S., Soviet, and Vietnamese intelligence agents say they did.
October 3, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohn...
October 3, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
"Slash taxes and watch the economy flourish and more and more jobs created thus created more revenue for the government, because more people have jobs and are paying taxes!
Yes, those Bush tax cits have been just beefing up our economy! Unemployment is at an all-time low! People aren't losing jobs and homes. The dollar is at its strongest against foreign currencies...
BUT, if we let evil democrats take away our tax cuts (that info given by the McCain peeps is misleading-- possibly even dead wrong -- then our thriving capitalist economy will continue to thrive...
It's just NOT that simple. Tax cuts alone do not float an economy.
Hey, here's an idea...
STOP spending 10 billion dollars a month to colonize Iraq!
October 3, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Jane - I believe in a woman's right to choice. If Obama's mother had the option, it would have been completely up to her.
I would like to point out that when I first started posting I was still on the fence. Just letting you know that posts by yourself/RW/Pro have made up my mind. So, all your cut & paste propaganda really didn't serve your cause well.
October 3, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
http://www.usvetdsp.com/sep08/vetting...
We need to be looking into who McCain really is!
October 3, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
Jane we can go down that road if you choose too!
Like I said BEFORE, neither one of these candidates are my preference, I guess you missed one that too huh?
O freaking K!!! Obama's father ran out on him and his mother and that their marriage was null and void to some, the fact remains that SHE is not a better candidate than what you guys try to make her out to be! She did ok; I just don't think she is ready to handle world affairs. Let's not forget she was brief for a week at McCain's ranch on what to say!
But Jane we know from most of your post that, you can not get past the race issue, hell I for one don't care if they both were freaking purple! Both McCain and Palin share the same ideas as Bush do, and for that reason, I see us in a worst position that this country is in TODAY!
Palin spoke of how they were offering tax cuts where it would allow them to create more jobs, hell, look at how many folks have lost jobs, and homes due to job-cuts in the past year or more under the same offers Bush has made.
At any rate, this country is in a BIG MESS! When the elderly is force to choose meds over groceries, we are in trouble, when milk is 4 bucks a gallon, we are in trouble, when gas is almost 5 bucks a gallon, and there are shortages in some states Again, we are in trouble!!!!!
Granted, we all know that it would take some time to undo the damage that has been done, but I still feel that four years of the McCain/Palin ticket will equal more American relying on the system!
October 3, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DanniD (anonymous) says...
to hell in a handbasket...that is the direction of this country anyway you look at it.
October 3, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsence (anonymous) says...
It's a sad day when all a VP candidate has to do is not embarrass herself in order to have won a debate. Biden clearly was more knowledgeable on the issues and did not have to resort to using only scripted answers. I felt bad for her...truly. Palin is being used by the party and she is clearly out of her league.
October 3, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Palin may have been more poised last night than expected, but she didn't answer questions, she flubbed the truth, and her smarmy winking at the camera was ridiculous. No wonder Biden was trying not to laugh.
There will be NO CHANGE with a McCain/Palin administration. How long can we continue the downward spiral? How much more money can we spend trying to give democracy to countries that would rather let religion rule while our own people have no insurance, while our own children are living in poverty?
And for God's sake, Obama is not a Muslim and none of his supporters think he's a messiah. Get the facts straight.
October 3, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Posted by RW on October 3, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sc4peace,
Anyone who is AntiFeminist...has common sense! Feminism is the stupidest thing that ever hit this country! Feminists are hypocrites!! It all about liberalism sis...Sarah Palin isnt a lefty so she becomes a target from the media! Do some thinking for once in your life!!
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You know nothing about true feminism. Go back in your cave, you non-thinking pig.
October 3, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
"Feminism is the stupidest thing that ever hit this country!"
Oh, I think we can come up with "stupider" stuff than feminism.
The movement that gave me the right to vote (albeit nearly 150 years after white, land-owning men), the right to own property, the daring to go out and bring home my own bacon (albeit in some cases not as much as men in some careers), the right to take off my very incomfortable bra-zeer (I won't burn mine -- they are expensive, and I don't make as much money as a man!!! (Sidebar -- did women begin wearing bras because men like perky ta-tas???) -- the right to stand up and not be physically abused or raped or belittled by men...
Well, now, that doesn't sound so stupidest to me.
October 3, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Come on RW, you know they didn't have "Feminist Theory" at Hillbilly Tech!
October 3, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
No, Jane, I didn't. Feminism is not a liberal thing. It's a FEMALE thing. You can be a feminist and align yourself with whatever party you choose. If you agree with RW, then you obviously know nothing about true feminism either. It is not an exclusive club. In fact, it's a PERSONAL thing.
RW, your ideas about feminism are absurd and stupid. When did you go to college, in the 50s? Times have changed...
October 3, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
change the subject and keep the focus away from the real issue... conservatives are good at that!
October 3, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jane, you must like cavemen banging you on the head, huh?
October 3, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
How did I prove his point by briefly explaining that feminism is not a liberal club? You make NO sense. For the record, there are very conservative republican women in my life who consider themselves feminists... they'd be pissed if you called them liberal.
October 3, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
I don't equate personal attacks as anti-feminist. Personal attacks on Palin (not necessary -- there's enough to bash ber about politically) are anti-Palin.
It's not that she's a republican. It's that she is philosophically opposed to some of the rights that women who are feminist (and not necessarily radically so) believe in. Those personal beliefs from Palin just happen to align with political vote-getting points from the republican party.
I do agree that many extremist feminists are not open-monded. BUT, the fact that there are extremists doesn't make feminism stupid. If that were the case, then EVERY ideology (islam, christianity, judaism, conservatism, liberalism, capitalism -- and all of the other -isms -- would be stupid, too. They also have their fair share of extremists.
October 3, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
hightide - Jane is the worst type of woman! Don't bother. Pretty soon she'll accuse you of picking on her. Then she will play the poor defenseless, they're being mean to me little girl. Then come back with the same insipid cut & paste propaganda.
October 3, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
A caveman's a caveman. I've seen much worse by RW and many others around here.
October 3, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by JLWDALFAN on October 3, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
a muslim in the white house. i can't believe that america is so bent on change that it will follow obama in masses.
He grew up in a muslim environment, attended muslim schools, hates white people, will stand by his muslim brothers no matter what. What the heck are we thinking here?
I for one am voting for Mccain, i feel he has the qualifications to set us back on course. also, i like the fact he doesn't hate white people, lol
NO, JUST BLACKS.
October 3, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by georgia_fan on October 3, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
To Obama fans: Have you all forgotten that it was Muslims who brought the towers down? FYI He is NOT the Messiah!
If Obama is a Muslims, then McCain is a VET CONG.
October 3, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
Uh, Jane. Keep up. I "clumped" Islam with the others to make a point about extremists -- not to praise ANYTHING. Or to hold anything up. By the way, women are often treated horribly under Christianity, too!
October 3, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by mtw999 on October 3, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
""George Will, Kathleen Parker, & David Brooks, all conservative hacks, have stated that Palin is a cringe-worthy ignoramous who doesn't posess any credible qualifications for being the VP.""
Hacks? The bias runs strong with this guy. I'd be very curious to see links to the articles where ANY of these people called her "a cringe-worthy ignoramous."
""Be prepared for every respectable US publication to endorse Obama in the next few weeks, the New Yorker already has made the case for Obama, the others will follow.""
Respectable? LOL. OMG, they all are in the tank for liberals and have been for quite some time. I am pretty sure most Republicans, especially Conservatives, are "deathly terrified" the liberal media will endorse... a liberal. By the way, let's ask Mr. Kerry and Mr. Gore how well those endorsements panned out...
Grow up man, seriously.
""Most people of the caucasian persuasian cannot even fathom following a leader from another ethnicity.""
Wow. Someone playing the race card. Who'd a thunk... Nice!
Seriously, Senator Biden seemed to perform well until you check his claims and once again, he distorted the truth and flat out lied. One can hardly say he mopped the floor with Gov. Palin when a significant portion of his "points" were lies.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
SC will tilt heavily for John McCain, it's just that simple. Sorry.
I don't like either one of them, to be honest. McCain isn't anything that even remotely resembles a conservative but he is marginally better for this country than Obama.
Anyone with half a brain knows this to be true, despite all the "facts..."
Way to go with the article, btw. Cast doubt on Palin because she mis-pronounced one guy's name the whole debate, but just happen to miss ALL of Biden's distortions and flat out lies.
Media bias on a 1 to 10 scale:
7
You will be crying on the night of the election, palin and simple!!!
October 3, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
a liberal feministo? LOL
Jane, why don't you start a group to help all the Muslim women break free of the cavemen holding them back? I never said I thought how muslim women are treated is right, but there are LOTS of things in this world that aren't right. We can't bring democracy and christianity to everyone... not everyone wants it.
Sarah Palin's in the spotlight, where they all take punches. The way she's handling herself shows some strength. But I don't see her as an inconvenience to feminism, just a scary possibilty for our administration.
October 3, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by Jane on October 3, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Subject: Police Exam
This exam should be given to all police officers.
Having just applied to join the police force, a man is being interviewed
by a superior.
The Inspector says 'Your qualifications are first-class but there is one
test that you must pass before I can properly recruit you.'
Sliding a gun across the desk, he continues 'I want you to shoot six
illegal immigrants, six Obama delegates and a rabbit.'
The man says 'Why the rabbit?'
'Fantastic Attitude!' - 'When can you start?'
This is why people like you should never be allowed to write, REDNECK!!! Go drink a six pack JANE DOE.
October 3, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
I also think that it is horribly sad that you contend to understand feminism and then say it's about hating men, liberalism, and abortion. My own feminism stems from an understanding of being female in society and an appreciation of what that means -- good and bad.
October 3, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
I really think she must have been mistreated at some time; which is horrible if it has happened. I am by no means making light of sexual assault.
But she gets stuck on these same points....or someone has given her points to talk about when dealing with "certain" posters. When she thinks you are a woman she is on the rape kick, when she thinks you are a man she will turn to other areas. I think Jane, RW and pro work for the RNC and getting paid to come on line and spread lies about Democrats.
But she will not address that McCain is a traitor! Not once has she ever responded to the fact that he gave up his comrades while in Vietnam!
October 3, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Not everyone wants it, nor can our country afford it.
Forgot to mention that last part.
October 3, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
Well, maybe using the word "feminist" was not the right wording-I am not part of that "I hate men club" you are talking about RW- And actually I "think" a lot- to be open-minded and cross party lines you have to think- it's the rich, close-minded super conservative hippocritical people like you that don't think or listen to anyone but themselves and what their "bible" tells them- she tried to censor books in a library!!! and when the librarian wouldn't, she tried to have her fired...she believes that ONLY abstinence should be taught in schools- that "abstinence" stance sure did her daughter well...Let's see, she believes women are responsible for paying for their own rape kits.... she believes a woman doesn't have the right to choose what happens to her own body- she is against so much of what so many women worked hard to get to today...It's our country potentially in the hands of a woman who thinks she can handle foreign policy because she is close to Russia- she should still be in the PTA, not in a potential leadership position of such a great and powerful country
October 3, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by RW on October 3, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Captivated,
Obama would be crying in 10 minutes and looking like an idiot in 30 seconds if he debated John McCain w/o teleprompters!
NEWS FLASH!!! They do not use teleprompters during debates, if they did PALIN would not look like such a IDIOT.
October 3, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
madd-dogg - McCain is the Viet Cong! He gave them everything they wanted when he turned traitor to the United States.
October 3, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by Jane on October 3, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It was a joke Madd dog and I didn't write it. Lighten up!
OK, still shows poor judgement.
October 3, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
By the way dear, sweet, misguided jane. I am not on the left! I am all over the board baby. Free thought! It's not that Christianity so much rejects the degradation of women, it's that the American public (Christian and not) do!
October 3, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
I can't wait for the election to be over so folks can stop posting everything they goggled over the internet.
I understand what halfshelli is trying to say and I also understand what coolfreanknbeans is trying to say.
October 3, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Well, it looking more likely that Obama and Biden are going to win this election! Well it looks like Caribou Barbie has lost her momentum and we are starting to see that she is not the brightest bulb, I bet she is not giving anymore interviews anytime soon. The Bush Administration has sent this country so far down the tubes that most Americans are starting to realize that McCain might be more of the McSame. I wonder what you extremist are going to do once Obama is elected. Succeed from the union? Start another civil war? I better stop, I might be giving you sheep some ideas!
October 3, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
She did fire the librarian, but had to hire her back after the uproar! Once again Jane is wrong and spreading propaganda.
October 3, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gneubeck (anonymous) says...
Voting for Obama is tantamount to writing the obituary for a formerly great Nation. Well done Sarah, you cleaned Biden's clock. Greg Neubeck
October 3, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
I couln't even read all the post here.WOW!! I am voting for Obama but I honestly didnt see anything wrong with Palin last night. She may have been a lil nervous and a lil uneducated on the topics that a VP candidate should be educated on but besides that I think she looked excellent. I mean she would do wonders for the economy. Imagine how many young energized Americans are going to run out there and buy a pair of those "darn sporty glasses" she wears. And that outfit was abosolutely gorgeous. I think she will bring nothing but the finest fashion to the White House. Does she offer anything else? NO, I REPEAT NO!! Yes she is a attractive politician and knowledgable Governor of Alaska but she couldnt get elected anywhere else outside of there because she doesnt have the qualifications plain and simple. WOW!!
October 3, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
Lets see the FBI, CIA, Military Intelligence and even President Bush snooping is allowing a Muslim to run for president of the United States.
If our intelligence agencies are that bad, we all are in big trouble. When you have a security clearance you can not go to Russia without not
So stop the lying about the man being a Muslim.
October 3, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
prosperous_hb (anonymous) says...
Posted by bjb79 on October 3, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Listen, many of these comments are so full of racist rhetoric, it just shows how uninformed people are of the candidates. We, as Americans have the freedom to vote for whomever we want, but if you are going to vote, at least be informed of who you'll vote for. Look at the issues, and not the color of skin. Go to their websites, and see what their views are. Forget about Democrats and Republicans, and vote for who you think will make the best president, and start to take our country in the right direction again. And for those of you going back on the Muslim accusation, it's old! We all know the truth on that one, it's been proven over and over again that Obama is not Muslim. Not that it should matter. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims, good Christians and bad Christians, Good Jews and Bad Jews. We all sin, and we can all claim a religion, but it's about following the religion that is important. And for those of you who say he's Muslim, are you yourselves Christian? I am, and I was taught "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." Luke 6:37. I don't judge on skin color, or religion, I look at their character. Please get informed before you vote. This is the most important election of our time, and you don't have a lot of time left.
This by far was the best comment posted all morning on this board.
October 3, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
Sorry, Jane, I have no intentions of watching your silly little video, unlike you, I have a job and a life. For every post you have commented on today, it appears that you have neither!
October 3, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Posted by noname on October 3, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Sorry, Jane, I have no intentions of watching your silly little video, unlike you, I have a job and a life. For every post you have commented on today, it appears that you have neither!"
Now that is a clever come back!
October 3, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
I took religion classes in college and they included studies on christianity, hinduism, buddhism, the jewish faith, and *ack* islam. Does that make me muslim? His mother listing him as muslim doesn't mean anything unless you're looking for a reason to hate him.
Obama's father may have named him, but he did not raise him.
October 3, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
To_live_and_die_in_Dixie (anonymous) says...
On television today a Democratic operative pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one he only draws 10-15,000. The Republican spokesman replied, 'That's because McCain's supporters are at work.'
October 3, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ballachulish (anonymous) says...
In January, Jane will be choking on her bile as Obama is sworn in, on a bible, as President.
All her misleading propaganda will have been for naught, good will have triumphed over evil, and the foulest, most inept, corrupt administration, ever, in the history of American, will come to an end.
The administration voted in and endorsed by the ignorant, self absorbed, right wing of the Republican Party, a good portion of the posters on this site.
October 3, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DanniD (anonymous) says...
to live and die...that is FUNNY!!!
October 3, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
dude-You are way off base.My point was I'm not impressed because someone has a degree.Big freakn deal.Some of the most stupid,close minded idiots I've ever met/heard of had degrees or were attending "collage".I don't go around thinking they done gone to that there college,they gots to be smart.I highly value education and I am college educated.My point was who gives a damn if the vice presidents husband or wife has a degree?Thats a stretch.I love how when liberals are challenged all they can do is insult and name call.Rarely can they debate using facts.
October 3, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc4peace (anonymous) says...
WHO CARES IF HE WAS A MUSLIM ANYWAY!!!!! NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!! NOT EVERYONE THAT IS VOTING IS CHRISTIAN EITHER... and Jane- you completely contradicted yourself about the library- you said she asked her nicely if she would censor them, and when she said no, you said she walked away..and then you changed your answer because you were called out- maybe you will understand when you or your daughter is raped and forced to either pay for your own rape kit and God forbid get pregnant- you must continue with pregnancy
October 3, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLWDALFAN (anonymous) says...
I GO TO A CHICAGO CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS THAT PREACHES HATE AGAINST ANYONE WHITE, AND YOU TELL ME YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HIS DOCTRINES. GIVE ME A BREAK. OBAMA IS A MUSLIM WHO HATES WHITE PEOPLE.
October 3, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
It just amazes me how stupid people are. I guess society needs you dumb butts to recognize the brillant one's. And the stupitity crosses color lines as well, just imagine a person of color not voting for President Obama, what that negress is saying, is that he is fine with his situation under +400 year of white rule and that he would rather keep it like this than give his own self a chance. How pathetic is that? you neutral white boys that are voting for Obama because you see the change he will bring, I thank you for your candidness, but most of your people are just so egg headed, stubborn, and lack moral judgement. Sometimes i feel so .........................forget it!
October 3, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Palins comments about wanting to exercise more control of the senate is scary. The VPs power/role comes from Article one of the constitution. The VP is a member of the executive branch, not the legislative branch. They do not "preside" over the senate. They only cast the deciding vote in a tie breaker.
The desire to "control or exercise more power" over the senate is scary.
I give Biden props for answering her desire to grab power and attempt to circumvent the constitution and the checks and balances of our government.
Of course reading the drivel on here today we are more concerned with what church, color of skin still(inflamed by dimwits like Mr. Pretty) and other local half wit observations of importance by the Joe six pack crowd.
Both sides are dangerous. Caribou Barbie wants to run the senate. NO NO and NO. If dictatorships are what the people on the right want...have at it. If being taxed until you are bleed dry is your version of being a good American is the other sides view...then knock yourself out.
Of course we can all worry about gay marriage, abortion and other important issues. The congress just raped us with the initial $700 billion bail out with $110 billion more added on along with the $560 billion already spent. Yeah a devalued dollar is great. Let's all hope we don't end up in a depression because we are too focused on skin color, rumors/tales of someone's religion, abortion and gays to see the real BS that's floating, to pay attention to the shaft job we just got.
October 3, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
I don't care if the candidate is white, black, yellow, pink, gray, brown, whatever...and I care only a little what religion he or she believes in (as long as atheism is not on the table...I certainly would never vote for an atheist)...
As long as there is a liberal congress in the white house, I WILL NOT vote for the most liberal person running for President. People! We need checks and balances...
Truth is, from the very beginning, I have said that I wished I liked John McCain better than I do. Fact is, I don't agree with him on (and this is just an estimate off the top of my head) about 55% of issues. However, I don't agree with Obama on at least 95% of the issues!
As for the VP picks, I actually like Biden. I also like Palin. Obviously, I like different things about each of them, and I don't agree with either of them 100%. Didn't watch the debate, because I already knew what they were going to say...sounds like a waste of study time for me!!!
What's a libertarian to do?
ps- why is abortion a political issue anyway? and why is this the only issue that feminists hold dear? I'm a woman, and I truly don't get it. Also...why are all PETA people pro choice? And why are all pro-lifers for the death penalty? I'm so confused!!!
October 3, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
dogwoodroad-I too could give a crap less what color the candidate is.I too do not agree with John McCain 100% on 100% of the issues.I have a working brain of my own.I do not blindly follow anyone.I can't speak for all pro-lifers.But I am pro-life because I believe in protecting the life of an innocent unborn child.A child rapist or murderer is not an innocent victim.They have commited a crime and deserve punishment.An unborn child should not be punished with death.The PETA pro choice thing is a little stupid.But they are a bunch of fn nuts!
October 3, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
hey cool f&b...i agree...the peta people are kinda crazy...
I don't really have a finalized opinion on abortion myself - probably because I've never needed to make that decision for myself. I just asked the question, because those issues always seem to run together with people...interesting...
October 3, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
ARE ANY OF YALL FOR REAL--The guy mother is white-WHITE, WHITE, WHITE-He sure would have a messed up life if he hated white people.WOW
October 3, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
uh...so when he called his grandmother a "typical white person" he was sharing the love with the white people? Good one, kontact...
October 3, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
That would really screw the muslim extremist up- If we voted a white muslim in office whoo hated white people-This sounds like a script from a bad Wayan brothers movie-Give it a rest-When your mother is 100% white I would tend to think that you wouldnt hate white people. He would have to hate that whole side of his family. And it looks like they support him so thats all I need-I wouldnt vote for anyone who didnt have racial tolerance for another
October 3, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Yeah I'd love to see the O'Bama supporters reactions had John McCain ever uttered the phrase "typical black person" or "typical"Asian,Mexican or whaterever race.Dear Jesus,there'd be riots in the streets and his career would be over.
October 3, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
dogwood road-(Isnt that a reference to the backwoods of johns island)-I know they dont practice racial tolerance there so your bigoted comments are useless. Stick to the dirt roads of johns island and leave us civilized people to make the decisions for the uneducated (YOU)
October 3, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Coolfreak-I have the upmost respect fro sen Mccain-He is a hero to this country and deserves it-That doesnt make him my choice for President-I disagree with his policies-He doesnt support raising the GI Bill fro our troops-How could he not as a veteran-I dont dislike him because of his race nor do I like Obama cause he looks like me-I agree with Obama's policies. HONESTLY IF SEN MCCAIN WAS RUNNING AGAINST HILLARY HE WOULD HAVE MY VOTE IN A HEARTBEAT.but he is not. Issues that affect our country matter to a lot of people like me and not skin color or party lines. They bailling out wall street. Why cant someone bail out my community from all this violence. Put mre officers in the street and give the police a raise. give the teachers that teach in these low performing schools a raise. See the effect that that will have. WOW
October 3, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Some of you all sound like the real version of David Chappelle's script, "the race draft"
and it's scary!
October 3, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
It seems that people are voting along race lines or party lines(only the uneducated) and it is idiotic.As a young black man I would never vote for jesse jackson, al sharpton, etc.. They are race-baitors and their ignorance has posioned the chances of a real candidate that just so happens to be black. Vote for the issues. Majority of miltary personnel are votiing with Barack Obama. What does that tell you about Sen Mccain?
October 3, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
I'm with Girley, some of y'all scare the bejesus out of me!
And Kontact, leave us dirt road Johns Islanders alone!!! I'm proud to be a country girl! Lol
October 3, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
hmmm.. nope, your wrong, but thanks for playing...I'm not even from here...
October 3, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Tammie-I apologize but he sounded like the stereotypical ...Well you know. I apologize to you and all johns islanders
October 3, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
but, hey Tammie...sorry that Johns Islanders got pulled in to the fray...I know many people from there, and am proud to know them! I just don't happen to be from there...
when did quoting another person (directly) turn anyone into a racist? I was just pointing out that there is a reason that some people feel that way about BO. I don't really think he is a racist. I think he is probably a very nice person. I just don't agree with his ideology. On the other hand, I have read MO's thesis...
October 3, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Kontact-apology accepted. But please dont make me pull a switch off the tree and beat ya next time. ;-)
October 3, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
and why does everyone on here assume that a man is writing this???
October 3, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Dogwood, some of the names on here are confusing as heck. Hence, if your name isnt clear cut, everyone assumes you're a dude. *shrug*
October 3, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Don't feel bad dogwood. I thought Tripsa was a girl..he's a man, SCDeac a girl I thought that was a boy, Newt is a girl and I thought that was a guy. You can change your name to Girleygal to stop the confusing. :>)
October 3, 2008 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Ok Ms. Dogwood I apologize. Just assumed that you had to be another male voting for Mccain for the wrong reasons. If your voting for him because his ideoloical ideas are same as yours then I give you respect. Alot of the people here are voting for the wrong reasons though.
October 3, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
And on the same token I think if Mccain wanted to get the female vote he could have did it with the choice of other fine and EXPERIENCED women CANDIDATES. His choice I believe was based on the wrong info from his advisers. I cant see her leading this country if something was to unfrtunately happen to him. We would be lost.
October 3, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dogwoodroad (anonymous) says...
ah, no worries - I totally agree...people definitely vote for the wrong reasons...
I still haven't really decided about voting this time around...
I don't agree with BO most of the time, I only agree with JM about 1/2 the time, and a 3rd party vote is kind of a waste (unless you are just trying to make a statement). Unfortunately, there's just not a great choice out there for me this time around!
October 3, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
I think Sarah sent Joe home with some bruises on his butt. She backed him into corners that he had to lie to get out of!
October 3, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
dogwood-:)
rollo-what channel were you watching?
October 3, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
kontact:
"I think if Mccain wanted to get the female vote he could have did it with the choice of other fine and EXPERIENCED women CANDIDATES. His choice I believe was based on the wrong info from his advisers. I cant see her leading this country if something was to unfrtunately happen to him."
You're kidding, right??
She's owned and operated two small businesses, She joined the PTA because she thought she could make a difference. She did such a good job that she was elected Mayor of the town, again, after a good performance she was elected Governor of the state! She is the highest rated (popularity) Governor in the entire nation. As Governor, she re-negotiated contracts with oil companies that she thought were giving Alaska a raw deal, and she negotiated a natural gas pipeline deal with oil and gas producers and the nation of Canada that not only pays royalties to every resident of the state of Alaska, but it provides more jobs in Alaska than there are Alaskans to fill, they have to ask people to move there to fill these jobs.
But you think McCain should have chosen someone with experience in DC, the folks who gave us Freddie, Fannie, and a $700BILLION bailout that will now be $850BILLION With all the bacon on top, because those folks have "experience"???
You can't be serious!!!
October 3, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
kontact: "rollo-what channel were you watching?"
CNN, was there a different debate somewhere else?
October 3, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Palin lied last night about several things, or did her winks distract you?
October 3, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
BTW, Alaska ranks 48th on the population list. It's not too difficult to be a popular governor with less than 700,000 people in your state.
October 3, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Are you 10 years old, RW? The elementary jabs you continuously take make you sound like you are.
October 3, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Popular People-O.J., Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, Miley Cyrus, Michael Vick, etc... Since when does being popular make you a good choice for Vice President? WOW!
And you said cause she joined the PTA to make a difference. So thats why I should vote for Mccain/Palin? And she re-negoiated the deals that the oil companies had no choice but to take.I can negotiate deals like that cause I have PTA experience too.I still see no reason why I should vote for her for anything except a beauty pageant contestant. I think she is a slap in the face to all women. Even concervatives agree.
October 3, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
kontact- I understand your 4:39 post and respect it.I just hate on here when people accuse me of being a racist because I don't like O'Bama.I don't like O'Bamas beliefs,ideas and plans for our future.I wish Condoleezza Rice would've ran.She is underestimated,brilliant and would make a fine leader.
October 3, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
educatormd32 (anonymous) says...
Of all the candidates running for public office, it really does amaze me that a lot of people in SC, particularly the lowcountry, will rather vote and have someone in office who is incompetent and way out of her league. Beauty can afford one lots of priviledges. However, it should not impede or endanger lives. That is what the McCain/Palin ticket does. What a shame?
October 3, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
kontact:"Popular People-O.J., Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, Miley Cyrus, Michael Vick, etc... Since when does being popular make you a good choice for Vice President? WOW!"
You are wrong, these people are notorious, their activities are noteworthy to the gossip columnists because of their celebrity, not because they are widely admired.
You seem to not know that there is a difference between 'popular' and 'notorious'. There is a reason for both words to exist.
You are very welcome for the free lesson.
October 3, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
kontact: The oil companies had the deal they wanted, That's why Palin RE-NEGOTIATED. Do you understand RE-NEGOTIATED??? Or are you so ignorant that you need a COMPLETE RE-EDUCATION in the proper application of the English language?
I'd be more than happy to point you to some good dictionaries, and even help you along personally, but you must put up an effort to overcome that third-world grasp of the English vocabulary you are presently sporting.
October 3, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
educatormd32:
I thank God that not I, (nor anyone I know) am as stupid as you are.
October 3, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southbel (anonymous) says...
I was reading through the blog at the various comments and I noticed someone said that I hold the same name as Jane or something?? Sorry to disappoint, but that is factually incorrect. I am me, myself, and I and no other.
On the debate, I thought Sarah Palin had fantastic charisma and spoke quite fluently on her points. Of course she is not going to have that same down in the weeds knowledge of every piece of legislation that has passed through the Senate as Biden. However, if you consider that McCain has a vast amount of legislative and foreign policy experience balanced with her executive experience, it is a stronger ticket than a freshman Senator and yet another Senator.
While many Democrats seem to decry her executive experience because it's "just" Alaska, I ask this of you. What about another small state, such as Arkansas, perchance? Could that qualify as executive experience? Clearly, there were plenty of Democrats that thought so at one time in history!
V/r,
The one and only southbel (that still makes me laugh!)
October 3, 2008 at 11:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
vtsusa (anonymous) says...
Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 3, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It just amazes me how stupid people are. I guess society needs you dumb butts to recognize the brillant one's. And the stupitity crosses color lines as well, just imagine a person of color not voting for President Obama, what that negress is saying, is that he is fine with his situation under +400 year of white rule and that he would rather keep it like this than give his own self a chance. How pathetic is that? you neutral white boys that are voting for Obama because you see the change he will bring, I thank you for your candidness, but most of your people are just so egg headed, stubborn, and lack moral judgement. Sometimes i feel so .........................forget it!
ummm the US has only been a country for 232 years (1776), so don't know where you are getting the +400 years of white rule (2008-1776=232) and you are a math professor as stated previously, right?
and anyone who votes based on color whether white for white or black for black is just stupid! color should have nothing to do with it, the ability to lead this country should.
October 4, 2008 at 2:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
educatormd32 (anonymous) says...
As aforementioned, it is really important that we vote for the most qualified ticket. In this case, it happens to be the democratic ticket. Credit should be given to whom it is due. The republican party has mismanaged government for 8 long years. While doing so, the wealthy has gotten wealthier and the working middle class is steadily slipping into poverty. Do you think McCain and Palin really cares what happen to mainstream America? I do not. Her body language in the television interviews and debate spoke volumes.
October 4, 2008 at 3:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Interestingly little tidbit-CNN reports grade levels at which the VP candidates spoke during the debate. The result:
Biden: 7.8
Palen: 9.5
October 4, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
GRADE LEVELS??? Are you for real?
October 4, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
That means nothing.
October 4, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
I was just passing along a CNN headline.
October 4, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Yes kontact I'm for real, but I did not concoct the headline.
I'm not sure why anyone would do such an analysis, but I have no doubt that if those numbers/names were reversed, many would claim it meant everything & think it was of "for real" significance. Right?
People are so predictable...usually.
October 4, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
It would be meaningless if the numbers/names were reversed... at least for anyone with any sense to care about actual issues and not ridiculous things.
October 4, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Yes, I happen to agree, hightide. But haven't you noticed that many on here care only about bashing & belittling one candidate or the other....?
I brought attention to the headline because many have tried to make Palin out to be a total bird brain (I suppose in an attempt to bolster the opinion that she was a bad pick). Those insinuations along with the big headline this morning (it has since changed as headlines do on Google) made me sputter my coffee-especially when I saw it was from CNN.
I'm sorry, I just got tickled imagining how some, on both sides of the aisle, would initially react to that headline.
I am not sold on Palin. I recognize her weak areas. I also recognize that she is not judged w/ the same measuring stick used for Biden.
I wish people could be more objective & honest in comparing the candidates. Both sides claim things about the other that they themselves are guilty of or do.
And round & round we go.
October 4, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
i.e.--it doesn't do to state that one candidate was inaccurate or "lied" while the other clearly did the same thing.
The big problem seems to be that when one is pushing one candidate or another, the definition of a "lie" seems to change like a chameleon. I guess a lie is in the eye of the beholder, unfortunately for the truth.
October 4, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
willie08 (anonymous) says...
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
I WANT TO HEAR FROM A THIRD PARTY
THIS ISN'T A DEBATE, IT'S A REHEARSED SPECTACLE
WHERE IS MATT GONZALEZ?
WHERE IS ROSA CLEMENTE?
I WANT TO HEAR FROM ANOTHER PARTY!!!!!!
WHY ARE WE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES?
WHY ARE WE ONLY HEARING 2 VOICES?
NO DEBATE: HOW THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTIES SECRETLY CONTROL THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/2...
WHAT A JOKE THESE DEBATES ARE!!!!!!!!
October 4, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
Fiscal responsibility is not what Democrat leadership lives for nor embraces.
Can anyone list 10 things that OBAMA stands for that makes him qualified to be President and Commander-in Chief of the United States of America????? ...NoBama-08
October 5, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...
October 5, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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