Muslims end Ramadan with fellowship, feasting
About 700 attend service and celebration at Charleston's Central Mosque
By Adam Parker
The Post and Courier
Muslims gathered at a prayer service and a feast at the Central Mosque of Charleston as Ramadan ended. Nehel Gaya (from right), Sidrah Khan, both high school students originally from Pakistan, and Zeenath Masood Khan, a medical student from India, joined others Wednesday
Hundreds of faithful Muslims filled the Central Mosque of Charleston on Wednesday morning as Ramadan, the ninth and holiest month of the lunar calendar, drew to a close.
The gathering, an occasion for fellowship and reconciliation, feasting and play, marked a new beginning for Muslims who, after a soul-cleaning period marked by fasting, were asked to extend their goodwill throughout the year.
In Imam Mohamed Melhem's message to the congregation, he extolled good deeds, moderation, mercy, kindness, compassion and charity, calling on people to think of themselves as part of something larger, a body of Islam that upholds the universal human values of peace and love.
About 700 attended the service and celebration, representing many countries and cultural traditions. Some wore typical Arabic dress, others suits and ties. Women inside the mosque worshipped separately from men. Small children giggled and ran across the carpeted floor as people bowed in deference to Allah. Prayers and incantations were intoned in English and Arabic.
Alan Ali, president of the mosque, said this was the biggest day of the year.
"For me, it's for the community to come together," he said.
During Ramadan, Muslims break their fast each evening at sunset, often with communal meals, Ali said. During this time of year, opportunities abound to enjoy a variety of cuisines. One day it's Filipino food, another Palestinian cooking, then Sudanese dishes. And it's an occasion for Muslims of all backgrounds to connect with one another, he said. They break bread together and talk about all sorts of things: family, finances, culture, politics.
In the yard of the mosque, tables were laden with an abundance of food, including meat pastries, hummus, salads and a multitude of sweets. After the service, children made a bee-line for the jumping castle and huge inflatable slide. People embraced and talked.
Melhem said mosque attendance has grown significantly during the two years he has been serving in Charleston. When he arrived, three small area mosques were consolidated into one, and about 200 would show up for a typical Friday prayer service. This year it's more like 300, he said.
He attributed the growth to community outreach efforts. Melhem frequently appears at local schools, churches and organizations to talk about Islam, correct misconceptions and promote a message of peace, charity and fellowship.
Ramadan begins and ends with the first sighting of the crescent moon after the new moon. It is said the Quran was revealed to the prophet Muhammad during this time of year, and faithful Muslims are meant to read the entire holy book during Ramadan. The month ends with Eid ul-Fitr, Wednesday's festive holiday of fraternity and renewal.
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Christopher (anonymous) says...
What the readers should know about Islam.
Islam is a religion that calls for the death or dominance of non-Muslims.
(Fliers 1&2)
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
Interfaith dialogue with Muslims is a waste of time and a stall tactic by them.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
The persecution of Christians has already started in the UK.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
Islam has been causing the same problems for centuries.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
"Moderate" Muslims
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
Muslims look to impose Ramadan on US factory.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2...
For more on the issue.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/
October 2, 2008 at 3:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
The liberals, progressives, socialists, communists and any other anti-American group including the ACLU should be on board soon to defend their totalitarian brothers.
On another note of interest, I was reading an article by an investigative journalist (something new) that Barack Obama's Harvard Law school studies were paid for by the Saudis. The journalist couldn't confirm this story because Barack Obama won't release his financial records from Harvard. What a shock... like that really surprises anyone.
October 2, 2008 at 6:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Oh man I missed a holiday?
October 2, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
you all need to see the movie Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West
it will really open your eyes...
October 2, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
I was raised a Catholic, then became a Agnostic, I married a Buddhist and I voluntarily converted to Buddhism. Then later converted to the Methodist faith, and after that to the Baptist belief. The beauty about this, not once did anyone threaten to cut off my head. Not the Catholics, not the Buddhists, not any of the Protestants. This is the true meaning of religious tolerance. Do you think the Muslims would be tolerant of this type of behavior?
October 2, 2008 at 6:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Riptide wrote:
"This is the true meaning of religious tolerance. Do you think the Muslims would be tolerant of this type of behavior?"
Sure they would...once they had your head on a stick.
October 2, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DanniD (anonymous) says...
Do you really think that the Muslims that met here in Charleston are like the extremist terrorist muslims? I am asking because I honestly do not know. I will be the first to admit my ignorance in regard to the Muslim religion. But to me it just seems like they gathered together for good time and good food. After all, the article says they were there to promote a message of peace, charity and fellowship. JMO.
October 2, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
DanniD...
These are passive Muslims. If a radical Muslim was chopping the head off an infidel, the passive Muslim would stop and watch for a minute and then on about their business. They would never lift a finger to stop it.
October 2, 2008 at 7:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spanky...
Is that the best you can do this morning?
To give balance to this debate you need to come up with something better than that? Come on try harder your Muslim brothers depend on you.
October 2, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
I was looking at this picture...where's the men?
October 2, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tulane75 (anonymous) says...
Are there any other groups you believe should be denied constitutional protections besides Muslims? For example, should non-Christians be gathered up along with the Muslims that you want kept somewhere? Where would we (sorry, I meant they) be put, concentration camps like WWII where people of Japanese lineage were kept?
October 2, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
Spankerbuns is not muslim, he is white trash.
October 2, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
T75...
In order to maintain a tolerant culture such as ours, we need to put limits on intolerant religions such as Muslims coming into this country. You only need to look at Europe and see their problems with the Muslims the so call religion of peace.
October 2, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
Looking at the photo, it looks like there is pulled-pork BBQ being served.
Yum, nom nom nom!
October 2, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jk_newhard (anonymous) says...
...we should have killed every man, woman, child, goat, and camel in Iraq and stolen the oil...
IF you truly believe this, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
More importantly, you are also dishonoring the VAST majority of our armed forces who do what we ask them with dignity and honor, upholding the American ideals that have made our country great. We have made mistakes in every war - our country and our military are human...
BUT American insistence on the highest standard of conduct in armed action has turned enemies into friends; is a key component of the US becoming a beacon for freedom-loving people; and has contributed to our safety and economic well-being.
October 2, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Early,
That may be true that not all Muslims approve of what the radical Muslims are doing but I don't see them doing anything about stopping it. Passive Muslims are exactly that passive.
October 2, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Early:
I agree with you! Not "all" of any religion is one way. I know Christians that do not follow their "good book" and I know atheists that are buttholes. I know Muslims that are terrific people and I know Hindus that can be a little scary.
To put one religious group in a nice tidy box and label them as all one way is stupid.
October 2, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW you are soooo incorrect. What gives the Christians the right to invade another country? Because you all think that baby Jesus was born there. They have just as much religious history in that same area as Christians.
The racists comments on this board just re-enforces the belief that southerners are stupid, intolerant and hicks. THANKS, just what we need, you going on and on and proving them right.
October 2, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider:
You will find shades of gray in every culture. What one looks for is what is dominant in that culture. In our culture, tolerant has been the dominant rule. Sure you can find intolerant here and there but as a culture we are pretty much tolerant of other beliefs. You can not say that about the Muslim culture.
October 2, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
The NATIVE are back!!! So, I am guessing that all of you bigots believe Muhammad ALI should be killed? All of you seem to have all the answers but, instead of going to Afghan or Iraq, all you do is write bad remarks; you guys are the ones that should be rounded up, and you know the rest; stop selling wolf tickets. You guys seem to believe that using weapons are the only answers to all problems, NEWS flash, its not. I severed for 23 yrs., and anyone who has ever been to a zone knows that this should always be the last option, not the first. You guy like it or not are the shame as those radical Muslims; you are the ones who are messing up this country for everyone else.
October 2, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Oh, another reason religion gets on my nerves.
"I'm right, no I'm right!
Just another reason to hate someone that does not believe what you believe in.....
Who is to say whos right and who is wrong?
October 2, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Guide...
Is that the most you can do to defend Islam?
We need more meat or pork.
October 2, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsPiggy (anonymous) says...
Taken from charlestonmuslims.com
Allah is the name of the One and Only God. Allah has ninety-nine beautiful names, such as: The Gracious, The Merciful, The Beneficent, The Creator, The All-Knowing, The All-Wise, The Lord of the Universe, The First, The Last, and others. He is the Creator of all human beings. He is the God for the Christians, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the atheists, and others. Muslims worship God whose name is Allah. They put their trust in Him and they seek His help and His guidance.
HAHAHA!!
Do they actually believe that the God of the Bible/Christians is the God they serve, Allah? I'm sorry but for me personally, unless their God, called Allah, came down from heaven into the man Jesus Christ, then we don't have the same God!
Allah is the God of Buddhists too? Wow, now that's a man who's stretched pretty thin! hahaha!!
Muslim believe that people are born free of sin. It is only after they reach the age of puberty and it is only after they commit sins that they are to be charged for their mistakes. No one is responsible for or can take the responsibility for the sins of others. However, the door of forgiveness through true repentance is always open.
Only after puberty, huh? That's pretty sad because I knew some boys who didn't hit puberty untill 16! So if they murder someone at 14, he can't be held responsible? WHAT A JOKE!!
People are created equal in front of the Law of God. There is no superiority for one race over another. God made us of different colors, nationalities, languages and beliefs so as to test who is going to be better than others. No one can claim that he is better than others. It is only God Who knows who is better. It depends on piety and righteousness
Again, that is why my God can't be Allah. He doesn't favor one person over another, and He doesn't think one person is better than another. Its like saying, "Only your dad knows which child of his is better."
Man, those are some crazy beliefs! But whatever, if you want to be Muslim, you do have that choice.
October 2, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
The whole world is painted in shades of gray....the problem I'm finding are the people that only see black and white.
I cannot believe that someone who has served in the military would say this:
Posted by wpc3iop on October 2, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
spankerbuns: This is one racist idiot who has been shot at by those Muslims you want to be so tolerant of...we should have killed every man, woman, child, goat, and camel in Iraq and stolen the oil...we could all be driving big SUVs!
You have disgraced the uniform and if you are still in the service should be dishonorably discharged!
October 2, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
All religious beliefs are crazy! The basics of every religion have commonalities....Christians once thought it was OK to sacrifice their children because their god told them to. Christians believed that women were property. Christianity has killed thousands of women in the name of witch hunting. Talking snakes, talking bushes, rising from the dead, two of every species getting on a boat, Lilith the demon woman because she didn't want to listen to Adam? Sure, this is sane.
Jane: All religions should be allowed in schools. ALL, not just Christianity. You know that nutty idea about educating our children.
October 2, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Riptide,
Everyone have their own beliefs, but it is their beliefs.
I was defending Islam, yet I probably know more about different religions than most. I do own a King James version bible, a picture bible, a book of Moran, the Koran, and several Vedas and sutras; and have read much of them.
Yet, I am not religious, so the only thing I will defend is non belief, like......
Atheist do not fly airplanes into buildings (unless they are bad pilots)! :)
October 2, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Jane, I've read most of your posts in the past dealing with politics and the like, but I think you and I finally agree on this one.
20 years if they keep heading that direction and don't shore up the court systems.
Someone posted a really good article awhile back about how Multiculturalism is bad for any country. Anyone know who posted that and where it can be found?
I've done searches but I can't find it...
October 2, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
I mean I was NOT defending Islam, I left the word "not" out.
October 2, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
Most Americans prefer to live in a free society and live the way they see fit without any interference from others. It's only natural for citizens to critique a culture that poses a threat to their way of life. We're tolerant of others providing they respect other people's beliefs. That's how we can all get along. The Muslims have a history that is contrary to these ideals.
Since you're a defender of the Muslims where they are tolerant? Look at the Netherlands and other places in Europe in fact the entire world. If we don't get a handle on this intolerant culture coming into this country, then we are going to look like Europe pretty soon.
October 2, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
yes, proletariat, you are a bigot, because you know darn well you would not get on this board and be similarily antagonistic towards Christians. You would get eaten alives.
And your comments about Muhammad Ali are unsurprisingly inaccurate. He converted to Islam a few years before he even qualified for the draft. If you are going to make a ignorant point, at least try to get your facts straight!
October 2, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
There are certainly radicals in every race,group,religion,etc.My HUGE problem with muslims(other than the wacko koran)is this...When muslims commit horrile acts of terrorism,the muslim leaders don't speak up.They don't come forward and say these people don't speak for us,its terrible,nothing.Because the koran teaches to cut the heads off of infidels(non muslims).They say it more eloquently than that,like may the sword come to their throat but still.It's pretty clear.
October 2, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Guide...
If you're defending non religions that's fine. The debate here is about Muslims.
October 2, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
Riptide, what if I generalized all Southerners as being racist and ignorant based on a few posts on this wall and a few incidents I experienced growing up.
What if I labeled all Christians as backwards nutcases that don't believe in science or are intolerant of people who don't believe as they do.
You are stereotyping and generalizing, Islam that you see on the news is radical Islam. Radicalism is not unique to Islam, it's present in all the major religions. It just so happens that radical Islam has become a very dangerous movement in the world, because Islam is a huge religion, people interpret it differently, like people interpret Christianity differently. I believe it will all come full circle. Most Muslims don't believe the things the terrorists do, and many of them have paid the price, much more heavily than Americans or Europeans have. I've met so many Muslims who have been persecuted in their own country by radical elements. People should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they want, THAT is what this country was founded on, though people LOVE to say it was founded as a "Christian country", it was the freedom of religion that brought the founding fathers here.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
October 2, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
cool, plenty of muslim leaders speak up when muslims commit acts of terrorism.
But no one is interested in hearing that, they are only interested in seeing radical muslims burning American flags are condemning America. I'm not going to get into a discussion about what the Qu'ran says, I think fundamentalists who interpret it that way are as crazy as Christians who literally interpret the Bible. Because while I'm a Christian, I'm not a fundamentalist so I also take issue with literal translations of what the Holy Bible says as well.
October 2, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Riptide,
Actually, I was defending giving people the right to believe what they want to believe in, whether it is Islam, Christianity, or being nonreligious.
There is no logic or rational to these type of debates, or to religion in general.
Maybe you should reread my first comment?
October 2, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JLWDALFAN (anonymous) says...
I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF HAVING A MUSLIM IN OUR WHITE HOUSE. EVERYONE IS WANTING CHANGE, WELL THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CONTROLLED THE HOUSE & SENATE NOW FOR 4 YEARS. IF YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, YOU ALSO NEED TO BLAME THE DEMOCRATS. I HAVE LISTENED TO OBAMA FOR OVER 6 MONTHS. HE CHANGES HIS MIND ON EVERY TOPIC. HE IS PROMISING EVERYONE EVERYTHING. I DON'T TRUST HIM! I TRULY BELIEVE HE IS A MUSLIM AND HE HAD
20 YEARS OF REV. WRIGHTS ANTI WHITE HATE.
October 2, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
SCdeac in New York...
I'm not saying Muslims are not good politicians.
What's the old adage..It's not what they say but watch what they do. Just like you liberals.
October 2, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
guide...
Maybe I misread your comment but we are at war with this belief system.
From what I've read and watch as to what these people are all about. They don't impress me very much.
It also doesn't shock me about liberals like scdeainNYC and others coming to the defend of this belief system.
October 2, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
I am not a defender of ANY religion! But I have enough sense to not put everyone in a box and stamp a label on it.
All religions feed into humans need for order and reasons. Humans have been killing each other in the name of one god or another for thousands of years. I would think that we would have evolved past the need for religion....one can only hope!
wp - either way you are a disgrace to the human race. Or were you rejected by the military?
October 2, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I also have trouble with the fact that we are insanely muslim PC now.We will build foot baths in public buildings,have single gendered pool time for muslims,call to prayers broadcast in public and on and on.Well,honestly people do you think for ONE MINUTE people would allow people of Christian(or any other faith for that matter)special provisions of this nature in public and/or govt buildings?Pardon the pun-but HELL no!It would never,ever happen.We shouldn't either.If we cater to one religion,we'd have to cater to all.It's so acceptable to bash christians.Not to mention the insane christians that have the audacity(insert sarcasm here)to utter that offensive phrase,"Merry Christmas".
October 2, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Since the dawn of time, philosophers have created all this crap.
Let's burn them at the stake!
October 2, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
JL blahblahblah - Obama is not a Muslim. Have you been hanging out with RW/wp/Jane?
If you are going to post something at least get it right.
October 2, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Great post ColdBeer!
October 2, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
The non religious people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot, and Castro don't impress me either. I'll cling to my religion and guns.
What that old adage:Those who turn their swords into plow shares plows for those who don't.
October 2, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
So where in that statement does it say that he became a Muslim because "he lost the balls to serve in vietnam and went Muslim." You are implying earlier that he converted to Islam in order to not be sent to Vietnam. Just admit you were wrong.
SpiderJohn, ColdBeer, maybe you should see "religulous", if it's playing in SC. I am a Christian, but I find the whole concept of the movie interesting because he takes ALL religions to task not just the usual suspects.
Riptide, saying "you liberal" doesn't hurt my feelings. You name-calling only accentuates the ridiculousness of your arguments here.
October 2, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Wow.Great point Jane!Why wouldn't they reply with,"So what?!"Ok he's a muslim,thats great.
October 2, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/jus...
Here is a great resource for you all that believe any of your religions are on the "side of good".
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publication...
It is still going on today by all religions. It may not be an armed conflict but when you have a Muslim talking about killing the infidels, or a Christian Preacher talking about the sin of homosexuality, or Mormons marrying off their 13 year old daughters these are all wars of one ilk or another.
I do not understand why a group of people that practice their religion on a high holy day upsets so many people.
How about you go to your respective religions buildings and pray for each other for once, instead of spewing ugly nonsense!
I'll just sit over here on the side lines and see which prayers are answered first. I'll announce the winner at halftime.
October 2, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
sc...nyc
I'm not name calling, I'm just you assigning you a label and what side a person is on this issue. Most if not all liberals will come to the defense of the Muslims. Not that much different from the liberals who came to the defense of the communist in North Vietnam. Consider it a badge of honor.
October 2, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
wpc3iop: With that attitude, you aren't GOOD ENOUGH to wear the uniform. Our military forces are the greatest in the world because they do not lower themselves by behaving in the same manner of those they fight against. As usual your ignorant rantings only served to prove your stupidly.
"More importantly, you are also dishonoring the VAST majority of our armed forces who do what we ask them with dignity and honor, upholding the American ideals that have made our country great." AMEN
RW: WHAT IS A BURRHEAD? IS THIS SOME SORT OF RW CODE FOR SOMETHING? DON'T BE AFRAID, YOU CAN ANSWER ME, YOU ARE HIDDEN FROM THE WORLD AND CAN BE FREE WITH YOUR ANSWER.
I understand this fear of the Islamic religion, I can even understand y'alls bigotry based on said fear. But when I see ADULTS advocating the mass murder of children because they were born into a family that worships differently from them? I call that ludicrous.
So many of you spout off statistics, demand to know why our American soldiers just don't kill them all, advocate legalized bigotry/discrimination.
The reason why we don't behave in such a manner?
Because we are better than that.
For the same reason we didn't take 3 airliners and plow them into the Patronas Towers or into Mecca at the height of the Haj.
Because we are better than that.
For the same reason we don't forbid people to worship as they please even if it strange to us.
Because we are better than that.
Yes some of you posting today hate Muslims and Islam. Some of you even advocated their deaths. Some of you even consider yourselves 'better' than those who worship differently from you.
But fortunately for the rest of us, our country is NOT a true democracy and your extreme views will not be the law of the land.
I DO want those who break the laws to be swiftly and severely punished. I do NOT want our culture to be overtaken by ANY religion. I do NOT want my way of life to be restricted due to political correctness. I will NOT allow extremists from ANY religion to dictate to me how to live my life.
However I understand and live by the true ideals set forth by our founding fathers. And that does not include behaving like the COWARD wpc3iop and advocate death to those who are different from me and do so by a pseudonym on a newspaper comments section.
wpc3iop, stop being a coward and stand by your so-called beliefs. Stand in front of the mosque and state your beliefs. Or is being an anonymous flamethrower all you're capable of doing?
October 2, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
cool, the reason people don't reply that way is because it's not true. He is NOT a Muslim. The reason people like Jane have been painting him that way is to play off a people's ridiclous prejudices and fears about Islam.
I refuse to respond directly to Jane because she is one of those hate mongerers. On some days I can't tell whether or not she is a paid anti-Obama nutcase or just a plain ole nutcase. But you can summarize all of her arguments in a post into one package:
If it's about Obama:
-he hates White people (even though he is half-white)
-he is a Muslim (because that's a bad thing as she has stated over and over again on this board, after all they hate Americans, non-Muslims and the men are rapists)
-he was a community organizer (thousands of Americans including me, have worked for community organizations before. I worked for one in Miss., most of the people were ministers (both black and white, conservative and liberal)
-he hates America (what a conflicted and complicated man he must be, he hates America but wants to lead the country so he can destroy it?)
-he is a Marxist, Socialist (I think she lacks and understanding of what those things really are)
-he is to blame for the mortgage crisis because more Fannie and Freddie low-level employees gave money to him than McCain, even though McCain received more lobbiest PAC money from them and more money from higher-up directors
-he somehow has a stake in the recent election conflicts in Kenya (you know the conflict where he said both sides needed to compromise and where one side clearly stole the election from the other side )
Yep, this pretty much summarizes her argument. I'm sure I left a few things out here, but if Jane ever posted this crap on a legitimate website she would be handily shamed out of here. But because it's P&C and a lot of people believe that sort of crap and want to believe it without doing their own research or thinking on their own, she gets away with it. So, I understand why she does what she does when she has an adoring audience and only a few people willing to call BS on her whole means or argument.
Her other talking points including just repeating and posting links from radically conservative websites, who have the same talking points every day. I remain unimpressed with "cut and paste" opinions.
October 2, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
Riptide, that's where you are wrong. It's not only liberals that defend people's right to practice their own religions and believe what they want to believe. There are conservatives that do as well. There are many conservative people who believe in upholding what our founding fathers fought for. For you to assume that it's only one side rather than the other, shows how limited you are.
October 2, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Wow! I have come on here in the past and have tried to keep up with the issues and what I have found is this:
wpc is a racist bigot.
RW is a homophobe and loves his exclamation points and laughs a lot at himself.
Coldbeer is a sane and rational person with conservative leanings. (not that there is anything wrong with that)
SCdea gives great debate.
spankerbuns is just a nutty on the left as Jane is on the right. But I do like to read his posts.
Jane is....well Jane. Fear seems to be a huge motivator for Jane. I wonder if she ever leaves her house.
Prol is a radical Christian with radical views and must be on house arrest, because he seems to have all the time in the world to cut & paste.
wpc - you have no argument so you make personal attacks. I did not advocate killing women and children, so I think I am the better human. Just saying!
The reason why I pointed out about Obama, Jane is not that being Muslim is good or bad, it's the fact that he is not a Muslim. Truth:..you should all seek the truth.
October 2, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Eyfig posted "I do NOT want our culture to be overtaken by ANY religion." I second that notion!People seem to be confusing accepting that some people have different beliefs to we should cater to one religion to be PC.I am a Christian and have NEVER been offended by seeing Happy Hanukkah signs or the display of a menora.Yet with help of the ACLU people are trying to eliminate Christmas,crosses and any Christian symbols.My father was told point blank last year by a walmart employee they were told not to say Merry Christmas.It's at a point where stores are scared of lawsuits because someone may be offended.I wouldnt be offended if someone told me Happy Hanukkah.
October 2, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
Please....one of you religous fanatics please answer me one question.....
Is there ANY mainstream religion that did not or has never had a period when it was understood...."We are right, you are wrong and if you don't accept our religion we will kill you" period??
It's religion, people. They all profess they are about peace and love and brotherhood.....but they are ALL based on intolerence, hate and distrust.
ALL of them have at one time or another told an opposing faith/belief group that if they didn't drop their beliefs and join them they would kill them. Brotherly Love, eh??
Bottom Line:
Destroy ALL organized religion. Destroy the Vatican along with Jerusulem and Mecca and New Dehli. Outlaw Christians, Jews, Muslums, Buddahs, Hindus and any other ORGANIZED religion. Make it the law of the land.....you can believe what you want...as long as you don't start preaching it to your neighbors. If you ask for donations to further your belief....cut off your hands and your tongue.
End religion....and end the systematic murder and torture of Billions of people.
October 2, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
SCdeacinNYC...
I'm not saying that you're not a good politician, liberals are very at that craft. Also in the politically correct climate we live in, republicans need to be politically correct so they don't have to go to the re-education camps. Me:I'm a free citizen, I'll see the world as it really is not the way you want me to see it.
The beauty about a free society is that people like me have access to information. If we lived a liberal utopia, in other words a close society I would probably agree with you even though I feel that you were wrong about everything.
October 2, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Well I guess we got the opinion of Joseph Stalin from MSB.
Now let's get back to the study of HUMAN events.
October 2, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Communism is a great governmental ideal....it is that pesky human nature of greed that makes it not work.
MSB may sound radical, but it is the smartest thing I have read today!
October 2, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
Comradeship...ain't it great. Workers of the World Unite!!
lol
October 2, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Rape! The Muslim men are on their way here to rape our women!
Liberals will take our guns!
The Democrats will plunge us into tax and spend!
Obama is a racist, Muslim with ties to radical someone!
Jane - there is medication for paranoia! You might want to try some. Fear can be terribly debilitating if not treated. Then you will have to stay in your house even more and cut & paste from right wing websites.
Now, I will wait for the post that says I am picking on you....I noted that is your normal response to anyone who disagrees with your rants.
October 2, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
Greed is one of those things we humans have to deal with. Assigning profit as greed is where the socialist go wrong with their thinking.
October 2, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
All for one and one for all! That is the only way we will ever be able to coexist on this hunk of rock.
With the constant you are wrong and I am right arguments nothing will ever change!
I would rather live in a world based on reality and facts than one where some ethereal god bumbles through our lives killing us with his love. Where when a child dies it is not because god wanted an angel bull crap.
October 2, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
Lay off the coffee and get a handle on this debate.
October 2, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Rip - please...when did I ever say anything about profit being greed. I was talking about how communism cannot work in our current world. Human greed will destroy utopia ever time.
Humans have always wanted what the other guy has, or has taken what the other guy had. The utopian ideal of all humans working in concert for the betterment of all humans is a wonderful thing. But it will never work, how sad!
October 2, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
Jane I'm well aware of you inability to distinguish between people who defend a Muslim's right to believe and practice their religion and people who are actually Muslim. I remember you once "accusing" me of being a Muslim. Which was laughable because a) you thought it was an insult and b) your brain can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact that a Christian would defend someone else's right to religious freedom. You are small-minded indeed, not that this is news to anyone who has seen at least one of your "cut and paste" link-laden posts.
October 2, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
Can anyone tell me where the best hot dog vendors are downtown?
October 2, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Spider...
My apologies, it just I've been around liberals a good portion of my life in California and after a while I have a hard time separating a person with your talking points from a socialist.
October 2, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
My non-belief?? What makes you think I am an unbeliever?? I have faith....I believe in one God.....I just don't believe that the Vatican, or Mecca, or some old White Man sitting in a plush office somewhere has the "Ear of God".
God is in all of us. He is NOT in a church, synagogue, mosque or worship hall. God is in everyone.....God is NOT asking for money, owning property, running a TV show, governing a country, running a terrorist oranization or any of the many mundane human endeavors we come up with.
I'm not against God in his many and varied form....I'm against RELIGION. ORGANIZED RELIGION.....Run by old men White, Brown, Black, and Yellow....who have lost touch with life and are preparing for death, themselves. So, they make the rest of us suffer because they have squandered their life.
Religious Freedom?? That is like saying Military Intelligence. They are mutually exclusive.
October 2, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
ironhorse...
All meat or pork?
October 2, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
MSB...
Take it easy on the coffee. One or two cups is all one needs in the morning.
October 2, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
ironhorse-I hear Club Pantheon delivers.(butt only on Friday nights)LOL
October 2, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
RW:
I know but for some reason I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
As for the other liberals which I feel is an euphuism for their socialistic beliefs, I see them so dishonest at hiding their true viewpoints on some issues.
October 2, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
Riptide, I will slow down on the coffee....YOU slow down on the tabs of acid. It's obvious what you are....it's obvious what part you will play in the future.
You are an apologist. For everyone and everything. You stand for nothing. To parphrase a song lyric....if you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.
When the war comes to your doorstep, where will you hide then? You will do what your kind always do....hide and point fingers. Coward.....
The rest of you should enjoy your blissful ignorance. It will be peaceful for you until you walk into Northwoods Mall to shop for Christmas.....and some fanatic pulls his trigger on the backpack bomb he will be wearing. And you will be blissfully ignorant while you, your children and the people all around you are turned into hamburger because this poor unfortunate muslum believed he was gonna get his own private harem after blowing himself and 30 or 40 of his closest neighbors to bits.
Then talk to me about religious tolerance. Talk to me about religion when your holding your 3 year old daughter whose legs are gone and she is looking into your eyes for the last time asking you "why daddy??".
You people are so naive.....and your so ignorant of what is coming.
October 2, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
samthefreethinker (anonymous) says...
Wow. Just, wow.
October 2, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Jane...
Liberal thought doesn't work that way. Radical Islam is a reaction to American Exceptionalism. You see, the reason they are radical is because we are evil. This is how liberals think. I know it's strange but it's true. Liberals live in a parallel universe.
Well you guys have a nice day.
October 2, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
MSB...
Don't worry I know what's coming when you guys get into power. I lived in California for a long time and I know exactly what is going to happen to South Carolina. The people of South Carolina have no idea what is coming their way.
October 2, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
After reading every post about this subject, it makes me sick to know that there are a heck of alot of really stupid people out there? It's so sad that people living in this country (majority are AMERICANS) cannot enjoy a religious function without a bunch of totally stupid idiot comments. You wonder why our country is the way it is?
Correction "Riptide", if someone lived in "liberal utopia" they would live amoungst people who welcomes all sorts of people of faith, skin color, sexual orientation, wealthy, poor, sick or healthy and so on and so on......If someone lived in "neocon world", this is an exclusive place, they would live amoungst people who are white only, act, think, look, sing, talk, walk, dress like everyone else, they have to be of the christian faith only, wealthy, healthy, know the words to "amazing grace" and so on and so on.........welcome to the movie Pleasantville 2?
October 2, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
Which guys Riptide?? Liberals?? LOL I'm NOT a liberal. Conservative?? LOL again because I'm NOT a conservative.
I actually think for myself. I don't need some "spokesperson" explaing to me what I'm supposed to believe and what I'm not.
So, sorry, putting me in one of your little boxes won't work. I have no classification....I'm your biggest nightmare. I am an INDEPENDANT. I don't like your clubs....so I'll just stay out of them all.
October 2, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimmy1370 (anonymous) says...
"Communism is a great governmental ideal....it is that pesky human nature of greed that makes it not work."
Define greed.
October 2, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
I found the hotdog stand I was looking for. It's on Meeting Street.
They have a special called the "Ramadama-ding-dong"....two all pork dogs with a side of pork rinds.
October 2, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Wow. The ignorance shown by so many here is truly sad.
There are, however, some educated, tolerant posts... thank God for good people who don't look at religion or skin color to decide whether or not a person is good. Yes, I said thank God! My God is loving and created every single one of us here on this great big earth, no matter what group we choose to associate (or disassociate) ourselves with.
October 2, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
The reason the Muslim's hate us is because we went over there and screwed around! We wanted their oil and we were and are willing to put our security in jeopardy to get it.
We armed Saddam in the first place, our CIA trained Bin Laden, we backed the Shaw of Iran....we had our dirty little hands all over the Middle East. If we got the oil monkey off our back and left I think you would see a dramatic reduction in America hate.
October 2, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
misplacedinsc...
Well it's too bad about you being sick. I guess that's the result of reading too much free speech. It will do it to you every time.
There are some dangerous people in this world and if you want to welcome them into your house feel free, but I choose not to.
Again, we live in a free society and as long as I have access to information...well I guess you have to live with my opinions. I hope you find a cure for your sickness.
October 2, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Jane,
You are correct.
I just read an article about a former butler of Queen Elizabeth who is charged with a crime.
The judge's name is Judge Mushtaq Khokhar...
Sure don't sound English to me!
Okay, Y'all may continue arguing...
October 2, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Jane - in your response to Newt you said we are not threatened by the 300 years of women killing done by the Christians. Sorry to tell you this but Palin's visiting preacher is a known witch hunter.
http://www.wikio.com/video/462060
Watch it and tell me people are not still threatened!
October 2, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Many Christians treat women as lesser people. It isn't just a Muslim thing.
October 2, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
I told you I know how Muslims feel about woman and homosexuals. Do I like it, NO, but it is not my religion it is theirs! Get it? You have your religion and they have their religion and millions of people around the world have their own faiths. To say that ALL Muslims are like this OR to say ALL Christians are this way is not rational.
No one fits into your nice tidy boxes! Not me, not Muslims, not Hindus, not atheists, not even yourself.
I am not making excuses or defending any religion...I am stating a fact. We are the ones that created their hate. We have been dicking around over there too long. We need to get the oil monkey off our backs and get out. We will be more secure in the long run!
October 2, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW - you are a fool!
Jane google another site. There is even a news article covering the sermon. You expect us to believe all you right wing links, but you cannot even google to find a better version. I guess it has to come from one of your reliable sources before you believe anything. You my fearful little child are pathetic!
Here I did your work for you! Now could all of these be wrong? Pathetic my azz.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blu...
http://sugarfreak.typepad.com/mobtown...
http://sweetliberty.blog-city.com/jus...
http://www.mollygood.com/palin-had-wi...
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...
October 2, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
na*ive /nÉË iv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nah-eev] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
adjective 1. having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.
2. having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous: She's so naive she believes everything she reads. He has a very naive attitude toward politics.
3. having or marked by a simple, unaffectedly direct style reflecting little or no formal training or technique: valuable naive 19th-century American portrait paintings.
4. not having previously been the subject of a scientific experiment, as an animal.
The blind leading the uncaring.
What is the prediction?? PAIN
October 2, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Methinks a female poster has been 'dumped' romantically by either a Black man, Hispanic man or Muslim man for it seems to me that whenever articles are published referencing any of these people she makes it her mission to 'warn' the world of their shortcomings, their danger to our society and their overall unworthiness to exist in her world.
Having said that, I feel sorry for her. And others like her, be they extreme conservatives or liberals.
To see life in such extremes must be emotionally, physically and intellectually taxing. To work SO HARD to make everyone agree with their world view, actually makes them no different than the radical Muslims they either defend or rail against.
Unfortunately they are too obtuse to see that.
I guess for the rest of us, who work to infuse common sense, intellect and sensibility into these forums,
well,
it may not work but it is fun to read their vitriolic attempts at a REAL retort.
Continue on:
October 2, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MSB (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa....don't flatter yourself. when we finish with the muslims....we are coming after illegal aliens from YOUR neck of the woods.
Only thing more frightening than a Muslim terrorist is a mexican female of breeding age.
October 2, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
RW: If you still fear trying to debate me realizing that there isn't anything you can say that would come close to besting me, I understand.
However, I will ask again, what is a "burr head"?
October 2, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
RW wrote:
"Hopefully with their lives so they can go to "paradise" with their 70 virgins...ha! ha!"
Didn't you see Robin Williams on Broadway? They read the Koran wrong...it's 70 Virginians...
:)
October 2, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
No Jane - he actually ran a woman out of her village on fear of being stoned. But, of course, that woman was probably a Muslim so we shouldn't care about her, right?
I di not compare it to a worldwide movement I was pointing out that your girl, Palin, still believes in the same things that most of us disavowed 400 years ago.
If you are all about women's rights then how do you feel about Palin having rape victims pay for their own rape kits? Upwards of $1200? Or that she line-item vetoed state funding for teen mothers needing a place to live? For someone who supports forced pregnancy, she sure ain't making it easy! (October issue Skirt)
October 2, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
"He attributed the growth to community outreach efforts. Melhem frequently appears at local schools, churches and organizations to talk about Islam, correct misconceptions and promote a message of peace, charity and fellowship. "
Here is one guy that speaks on how he interpret the Quran...good for him
October 2, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newto843 (anonymous) says...
Wow just when you think these paranoid right wing nut jobs could not get any more offensive ...
October 2, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Thanks Rip for the kind words, the only cure for my illness would be not to deal with narrow minded, stupid, hypocritical, ignorant, folks on a daily bases? I know that this will never happen since many poster are uneducated and are quite proud of it? Sorry!
Your comment was so "thought provoking" about dangerous people and free speech that I don't know what to say but "bless your heart my christian brother"! Could you please post the town/city you live in or by just so I don't come within miles of your existance, I would hate for you to mistake myself or my family as dangerous while your hunker down in your bunker....I'll say a prayer for you today?
October 2, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madd_dog2020 (anonymous) says...
Posted by proletariat on October 2, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
madd_dog2020 "So, I am guessing that all of you bigots believe Muhammad ALI"
first off, Ali used to be Cassius Clay, before he lost the balls to serve in vietnam and went Muslim.
Second, just because someone is staunchly against the tennants of a particular religion, doesnt make them a bigot.
Thirdly - The politically correct duct tape of labeling people with terms like bigot, racists, homophob.....is getting worn thin.
Fourthly - BITE ME!
Now that you have written so eloquently, I guess you can now attend your REDNECK or CLAN meeting; as long as their are people like you and your counter-part out there, BIGOTS, RACISTS and all other terms will always have a place. Sorry, I forgot one BASTARD!!!
October 2, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Girleygirl wrote:
"Here is one guy that speaks on how he interpret the Quran...good for him."
Now, that's one thing that bugs me about ALL religions...they have to INTERPRET the book they so believe in.
How many religions out there have their "interpretations" wrong?
Continue...
October 2, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Thomas - huh? It is a bad thing to not have a land line? I haven't had a land line in over 4 years.
So, I can add Thomas to the list of paranoid people.
October 2, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
DoaMM- From what I got out of the story, he is not a radical muslim so good for him for going to schools to promote peace, and fellowship.
GOOD FOR HIM!!!!
October 2, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Right on - Girley!
October 2, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
RW, your manner of debate is ridiculous and your overuse of the exclamation point is criminal.
October 2, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
....these types of threads always bring out the best in people (yes that was sarcasm).
October 2, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW - are you 4 foot nothing, with glasses and a nerd pack in your short shelf button down?
You sound like Joe Dirt, "You wanna fight? Why don't you stick your head up my butt and fight for air."
October 2, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
sleeve my bad
October 2, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
This Just In - Straight up the Muslim News Alley:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4...
October 2, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Misplacedinsc:
I'm glad I made your day. So according to your logic if I agreed with you I'm educated and well informed. If I don't agree with you then I'm some dump stupid hick that needs a step ladder just to kiss your toes. You got to love liberals and the way they see things.
What we have in this country is a dysfunctional marriage between liberals and conservatives. Some people believe that it takes 2 wings, a left and right wing, to fly this bird called America. I'm sorry I don't subscribe to that theory and I'm sure you don't' either. I think this country would be much better off if we had a libertarian party and republican party. Now that would be a healthy marriage but I 'm afraid the liberals will never give the conservatives a divorce because they don't want to give up the goose that lays the golden egg.
You guys wouldn't last a year with your own country.
October 2, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
RW,
Propaganda and empirical data are two different things.
Your rants are starting to sound more like a caveman or Tarzan everyday. I have noticed that your sentences rarely any longer than five or six words.
Typical RW,
Me RW! Me conservative! You (insert typical RW insult: lefty, commie, fairy, fleeb?) Me nuke you!
And then you end it with your typical LLLLOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which sort of reminds me of a Gorilla beating their chest.
Trust me, debating on a comment board is not your forte! I'm sure Eyfig going to make you look like a fool, again not much of a challenge there, since you already do most of the work for her by just typing your tripe.
October 2, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW - got that exclamation point key fixed!
Rip - same ole same ole. If you keep repeating the same mantra does it finally make it true?
October 2, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Seven years and counting.....
I'm not blindly accusing any one individual of anything, but when are the "peaceful" muslims going to start condemning 9-11? We heard this from a "few" muslims scattered throughout the country, but how many muslims are there in America?
October 2, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW's explanation on why he likes the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so much:
Well, I was born without the top of my skull and I guess a little bit of my brains was showin' and it was grossin' everybody out so my mom put this wig on me to cover it up and then the bones grew together and it got all infused and entwined. I mean I don't mean to get all scientific with you...
October 2, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Posted by SpiderJohn on October 2, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"RW - got that exclamation point key fixed!"
I tell you, that is RW just beating his chest! He is not a very evolved creature. It just shows that I made the beast angry.
October 2, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
RW - Now, you're telling me you were so ingrained with white trash DNA, your facial hair actually grows in on its own all white trashy like that?
Guided - yep, you made him mad. And it is so very funny. I'm just being mean.
October 2, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Get'em Jane...
:)
October 2, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
berthelot (anonymous) says...
My invisible man in the sky is better than your invisible man in the sky.
October 2, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Sorry it took me so long to reply to MSB. I'm getting old and it took me a minute to get up from the floor, cuz honey I certainly fell on it laughing from that remark!
"I am a conservative and you are a lefty!!" As usual RW you answer a question with a deflective insult. You know darned well I'm no 'lefty' or liberal. I've said as much several times. But since you have problems with reading comprehension I will forgive your faux pas. BTW your old standby of using "empirical data" as some sort of shield against an accusation of ignorance and/or stupidity will not work. It just shows you went on www.dictionary.com and chose a word that you thought would make you seem intelligent.
So once again I'll ask, what is a "burrhead"?
Hey everyone, apparently RW's definition of 'lefty' or 'liberal' is anyone who speaks English well and disagrees with him.
RW, I'm a card carrying, dues payin' and candidate supportin' member of the National Libertarian Party. In fact I'm probably more conservative than you on many issues. But unlike you I think about not only the past and present, but the future of this great nation and the relevance of the Constitution in protecting it.
Of course I could go on about that, but it would be above your head. I would hate to replace all of that 'empirical' data with TRUE knowledge.
October 2, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/pol...
Jane - you are incorrect! Read please!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09...
And this one!
I know how Muslims treat women is digraceful! And as I have already said....it is their religion. What do you want any person to do about the abuse. We can stand up a yell, but that doesn't seem to be working. Do you suggest we send money to another country to try and fight the abuse? But no right wingers wants to spend money to insure children?
Seriously, what can we do to change another religious belief? The Taliban is blowing up schools for girls. The female police cheif assinated. It is so deeply ingrained into their religion it will not change.
You can see that we cannot even change political beliefs!
October 2, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Damn, we have more beasts beating their chest! Exclamation points do not add any substance to your argument or your name calling. Oh, how clever RW, sometimes I wonder if you are for real or are you really just that stupid.
October 2, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
England is not "almost gone." That's just silly.
What are Western ideals anyway? Christianity?
October 2, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
No hightide, according to Jane, Europe is self-destructing because of Muslims. If this is the case, they sure are hiding it very well.
October 2, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"As usual RW you answer a question with a deflective insult."
For someone trying to ignore me you certainly take enough time to try to insult me as opposed to answering simple questions like: 'what is a burrhead?'
Egomaniacal and narcissistic? I can certainly see how someone like you would think so considering how often you come out looking even more foolish than normal when try to verbally spar with me.
"You honestly feel that you are smart!" Well, of course I do. Don't you feel that way about yourself? Probably not after I get done with you but nonetheless you must think of yourself as smart when you wake up in the morning.
If there is anyone on this board with an "inferiority complex" it must be you. You always call men who disagree with you gay or having gay sex. Call everyone who disagrees with you liberals or 'lefty'. It seems to me that you don't feel all that highly of yourself or your opinion because if you did, you would be comfortable enough not to use such language to express yourself.
Either that or you're just secretly gay and are aroused by those men you rail against on this board.
Either way, you win RW. I'll let you wallow in your false sense of superiority and let you rant and rave.
Enjoy!
October 2, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
The English aren't having many children because they're thinking before breeding. I know people who live in England. They aren't Muslim and don't seem to be worried about a Muslim takeover.
Scare tactics don't work on everyone.
October 2, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Riptide,
It's not how "LIBERAL people see things", it's educated people who are intelligent enough know that we don't need or want the "right" to spew" their idealogy on our families. I believe I can speak for many folks who are not "left" or "right" but "centered" libertarian, we are sick and tired of the Glen Becks, Rush, Newt's, Jerry (so long), and so on and so on's of the world. Your common belief that we (centered & left) people need to sit back and listen to the hyportical way of your party is crap-o-la! Please try not aligned yourself with libertarians cause your not? The "far right" just keeps continueing spiliting this country in half just makes me work harder and make more money.
If only my wife and I could ask your party affilation before we are operate on you at the hospital? How there would less of your kind in this great country of ours?
Have a Good Evening
October 2, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
And the great one has spoken!
October 2, 2008 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Ship them all out
October 2, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Misplaceinsc
At least we are in agreement on one issue, this dysfunctional marriage between liberals and conservatives needs to end. I'm glad you don't buy into this right wing left wing bird theory that the center is always pushing. Oh wait you're center left? Reading your post I see you don't like the idea of free speech rights under the first amendment granted to Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and other conservative talk show hosts.. On the other hand I completely understand your aversion to conservative talk show hosts and your hate towards the conservatives. Most center left liberals have this problem with the 1st amendment. That's why we both agree that liberals and conservatives are like oil and water, we are polar opposites and we'll never see eye to eye. By your own admission you hate the conservatives and hold nothing but contempt for conservatives. Your hate and contempt towards me is obvious and I don't even know you. That alone proves my point that this dysfunctional marriage should end.
Free speech and the free market of ideas is quite important to a free society. Even high school drop outs have a right to free speech. Sorry to ruin your day.
October 2, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Proletariat, RW:
Having live around liberals most of my life, I always felt they were wrong about the issues but since there was so many of them I pretty much agree with them just to get along. The irony was when the liberals started bashing Rush Limbaugh. Talk about hate, they had blood shooting out of their eyes and foaming at the month every time his name was mention. It was curiosity more than any thing else when I first started to listen to Rush around 1993. At first I didn't know what to make of him but the longer I listen to him the more I connected with him and I can understand why they hate him so. Just think it was a liberal that got me hooked on Rush Limbaugh.
Liberals, progressives, socialists etc. believe in the free speech only if you share their ideas, programs, policies, etc. When you critique, oppose or show where they are wrong about something, they come completely apart. That's when the hate comes out and it could be nasty. Their whole ideology has no foundation. That's why socialism has failed in every country. A simple thing like the price of a commodity, in a soviet system they were unable to determine the price of any given item while in a capitalist system it was quite simple the market determine the price.
They also have this aversion to people acquiring wealth and so fore. There biggest hatred is people like me. I'm their version of a kulak. Stalin had this special hatred towards the kulaks in the Soviet Union. The kulaks were rich peasants. They were in between the peasants and the working class. The kulaks were very much against the collectivization of private property. As a result, Stalin starved something 8 million kulaks.
For me, I think it is this hatred of me coming from humble beginnings and making it in life. Their whole existence depends on people living in poverty and not making it out of poverty. That's why you see so much of it socialist societies. They are poverty pimps.
Of course this posts will drive them nuts and that is why I love free speech.
October 2, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"Eyfart,
Talk about an ego...geeez! Yes...I'd definetly say you are trying to kill an inadequacy somewhere!! Trying to impress a total stranger on a forum is kinda odd sis! Especially if that person thinks you are a moron! Be gone!!"
Once again RW you deliberately choose not to answer a simple question and then go on another rampage about me.
This all started when I asked you what does 'burrhead' means. So I must infer that you are too cowardly to answer me. Instead you choose to try to insult me.
As far as trying to impress strangers, I have no need. You will either be impressed or not. Matters not to me. So tomorrow morning when I'm on a plane to Miami to go soak up some sun I will NOT be thinking of ways to try to impress you. I will work on my tan, read Shatner and laugh at how petty you really are.
You are a petty thug who tries to bully what you can't understand. And when you are outdone, you reduce yourself to petty insults and threats. Have a good nite my little padawan.
Perhaps when I get back I will once again try to 'impress' you with my rapier wit.
Ciao!
October 2, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
I must agree with Jane and her cohorts about one thing; radical Islam is a dangerous thing. It is steeped in ignorance, illiteracy, anger and envy. Envy at Western Society for being technologically & financially superior.
In those nations where radical Islam has a foothold, the per capita income is nil as is the rate of literacy and education. Health care is nonexistent and infant/maternal death rate is ridiculously high. Those in power are well aware of this and that is how they maintain power through lies and manipulation. Osama Bin Laden came from extreme wealth but the only way he could have a following was to "turn from his wealth" and reach out to those poor & ignorant bastards that would follow his lead.
So yes, it would be foolish to not secure our borders and be wary of those who would harm us. It is foolishness to search old white ladies in an airport but not young Muslim/Arabic men. That is not bigotry but common sense.
However, to indict an ENTIRE group of people over the evil of a not-so-small minority is not what Americans are about. And for the fools on this board who would advocate murdering the innocent because of their hate for Arabic/Muslim people, you are just that, FOOLS.
Jane, Proletariat, RW and anyone else like y'all, your use of certain websites and talk-show hosts' monologues do not solidify your premise that ALL Muslims/Arabs are to be hated and unmercifully deported and/or butchered.
I would also chastise those who would believe every talking point of the Left. Let not your desire for justice and equality blind you to the very real fact that there are dangers in the world and it is not wrong to want to shore up our borders. Wanting to protect ourselves doesn't necessarily make us bigots or racists. Also, to call people names just because they think differently than you is just as wrong as RW having the hots for someone by calling them 'qu**r'. And I'm sure no one in their right mind would want to be compared to him.
I understand that there will always be fools on this board ranting and raving about how 'right' they are about geo-politics and society as a whole.
It would be nice though to have a cogent debate without someone always saying that an entire group of people are horrible and should be done away with.
October 2, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JF (anonymous) says...
My electrician, told me he has secret information that Obama is a Muslim. He also asked me if I was Jewish (I'm not), when I asked him how much the job would cost. He declares himself a born -again Christian. I imagine he would get along well with a many of the ignorant posters here. He helped convince me of the absurdity of these stupid arguements. I will make my vote based on the candidates postions not a bunch of bigots hateful lies.
By the way I visited Uzbekistan in 1999 and was only about a few hours drive to Afganistan. I was treated very nicely by many Muslims, and observed Muslims enjoying Christmas dinner with their Christian neighbors. To paint all Muslims with a broad brush is very damaging.
October 2, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
a_set_love (anonymous) says...
Ah Gee, spankerbuns, nothing to say since the debate?
There was Biden ttterrified of the ass kicking she was giving him.
Obama should just give it up and go back to being a homey.
Heres a little something to send him and Biden off.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9...
...NoBama-08
October 2, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pillsbury (anonymous) says...
Only someone with no sense of politics could ever agree that Palin won last night's debate. Moreover, and I'm no huge fan of Obama, but there is no credible evidence to suggest that he is Muslim and the quotes taken out of his book were taken out of context. Perhaps if someone actually read the book instead of cutting and pasting out of some moronic email they received they might see that.
Out of the 600,000 people who live here, 300 Muslims get together and everyone goes crazy? Are y'all serious?
October 3, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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