Ketner, Brown debate, but gloves come off after
Feud over forest fire ad carries on for 15 minutes
By Schuyler Kropf
Updated 10:00 a.m., October 2, 2008
The Post and Courier
Congressional candidates Linda Ketner (left) and Rep. Henry Brown (right) continue a heated conversation after the televised debate ended Wednesday night, Oct. 1. Moderators were Post and Courier reporter Robert Behre (second from left) and Mark Quinn of ETV.
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Who do you think won Wednesday's First Congressional District debate?
- Henry Brown 24% 77 votes
- Linda Ketner 75% 243 votes
320 total votes.
BEAUFORT — Democrat Linda Ketner and Republican incumbent Republican Henry Brown sparred over economics, energy and health care for nearly an hour Wednesday night. But the real fireworks started during an end of broadcast feud over a forest fire.
"Be a real Southern lady and tell the truth," Brown said about a TV ad Ketner is running against him.
"There is nothing in that ad that wasn't taken directly from a newspaper," Ketner answered back, defending her ad about a 2004 controlled fire Brown let get out of hand, running into the Francis Marion National Forest.
The squabble continued for 15 minutes after the SCETV cameras were turned off.
"You're not making any friends by running that ad," Brown told Ketner. "My friends, they know that story. They feel you don't have a record to run on so you're trying to destroy me. ... I'd like you to take it down, or we'll have to respond. There's a lot of stuff out there about you, and we don't want this to be a personal issue."
Ketner said all the assertions in her campaign ad were taken from newspapers and a federal report. She said she would review the facts and correct any errors she finds.
"I will go back, not because you threatened me, because I don't find that very attractive," she said.
Brown also cited a video clip of Ketner on YouTube in which she apparently was mimicking Brown and asserting that he was campaigning solely on his long marriage and his constituent service. Ketner said she had no idea of what he was talking about.
"Are you sure it's coming from my campaign?" she asked. "If it is, then there's going to be some firing going on."
"I don't like talking about my opponent, and I apologize for being so curt with you tonight," Brown said, adding that he "took a liking" to Ketner when he first met her in the early 1990s, as she was pushing a housing bill in the Legislature, where Brown served.
"I did to you too," Ketner said. "You were one of the first Republican supporters."
The sparring highlighted the high-stakes race for the 1st Congressional District, where Ketner, a first-time political candidate, is seeking a seat that's been continually in Republican hands for nearly three decades. Brown is seeking a fifth term.
On camera, Brown also downplayed Ketner's boasts of showing leadership in Washington during crisis moments such as the failed Wall Street cash restoration debate this week.
"If Nancy Pelosi or Jim Clyburn couldn't provide the leadership ... I don't think a freshman congressman could," Brown said, adding "Miss Ketner, you couldn't deliver either."
Ketner kept to her theme that it's time for an outsider to bring new energy to Washington. "The people are justifiably angry and mistrustful of government," she said, "and they should be. Congress has let us down."
Wednesday's debate, aired by S.C. ETV, was held in Beaufort — an hour's drive outside the 1st District lines — so that it could take place inside ETV's designated "Lowcountry" studio here.
The two did find areas to agree on, especially on the troop surge that has led to a calm period in Iraq.
Brown also defended his support of the Wall Street recovery bill. "It's not Wall Street that took that big hit; it was Main Street," he said. "It was people who had 401(k)s, who had retirement funds."
Ketner disagreed.
"Yes we are bailing out Wall Street," she said, "but we are bailing out Wall Street to save our own hides."
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redreader (anonymous) says...
Henry Brown is a condescending gas-bag and mean-spirited old man. His nose has been up the White House's and GOP leadership's respective butts for so long that he's suffering from oxygen deprivation.
He could care less about health care for seniors and children. I'd like to see him realize he's a member of one these two demographics and acts like he's part of the other.
He burns up twenty acres in the Francis Marion Nat'l Forest and it's Ketner's fault?
Puh-leeze!
October 2, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
john71239 (anonymous) says...
I had never seen Brown either in person or on tv until this debate.Now I've seen more than enough.
He appears to be a disgusting, pompous bully who takes personal offense that anyone would dare run against him or be critical of his job performance.
In fact, that's how our political system is supposed to work.Too bad we don't have a variety of good candidates offer for every office each and every election.Incumbency shouldn't guarantee a job for life.
I will be voting for Ketner.
October 2, 2008 at 1:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Jimmy_Crackcorn, "staunch opponents of the amnesty bill" I don't rememeber that? Educate us, I remember just the opposite. I also have emailed him several time about this and never even get a response. So unless your blue haired old he won't care. Time for him to go. But I'm going to look at Ketner's position on immigration too. She does run some stupid ads. I do like the "burning" ad that pissed him off. Seems like it was on cue from what I read in the papers too.
October 2, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JourneyOn (anonymous) says...
Maybe the P&C will refresh, update, and publish the fire story for readers. Give Brown's friends a chance to tell the "real" story he is referring to and see if it holds up or has she nailed it for what it is.
October 2, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MyMcClellanville (anonymous) says...
I do think Ketner should stop running those forest fire ads...she should stop those and run ones about Kiawah land development! As much as I don't want another democrat in Congress, I don't want to give Brown the opportunity for a third strike. His ad is the one that makes me sick when he says things like "we need more people like him". If we had more people like him we wouldn't have any lowcountry left to enjoy. It's sad that a REAL republican with TRUE values wasn't able to beat him in the primaries.
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/a...
October 2, 2008 at 6:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
Mouth of the South, you sir have issues.
People, change is good, Brown is looking to keep his career, but remember, holding office is not suppose to be a career. Its a civic duty, as our founding fathers laid it out to be. I am not saying I support Ketner, she is a bit of a religious nut, but we can give her 1 term and fire her ass. What we can not afford is Brown, we do not need another Strom.....
DO THE RIGHT THING.....
October 2, 2008 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
studley (anonymous) says...
The people we elect are a reflection of us. What does Boss Hogg say about us (I have to admit I've never voted for Boss)?
Abuse of power, rubber stamp for W. etc. Is this what we want as our representative?
Would one Boss supported name the 5 most significant pieces of legislation he has authored? Can anybody count to zero?
October 2, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
studley (anonymous) says...
I meant "one Boss supporter". My fingers have dyslexia!
October 2, 2008 at 7:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Lol @ JCC...I'll pass.
I saw a little bit of it this morning on the news, Henry Brown was pissed that Ketner talked about that incident. He said that morning, it was ok to burn but by the afternoon, the alert was issued and it was too late for him to stop. Whatever.
October 2, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
People need to leave their party, and vote on issues that matter. This gang thing, my team is better then yours mentality doesn't work. I am an independent, that is what this country was founded on, WE THE PEOPLE..... Lets take our country back.
October 2, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tulane75 (anonymous) says...
The debate was an embarrassment! I actually felt bad that Congressman Brown had so much trouble answering questions in an intelligent fashion. It is almost as if he is proud to be a "rubber stamp."
On the other hand, Linda Ketner wants us to vote for her because she has religion. What a disaster!
I suppose we get the representatives we deserve.
As for Mouth's comment about the Nazis, I nominate her for today's MENSA award!
October 2, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
J_C,
For $169,300 tax free a year, I'll take it...and vote for anything you want, buddy!
I think that Washington needs new blood across the board. Voting for a new politician is kinda like Religion:
There's not one single Religion in which a person can agree with EVERYTHING they say, but a person picks one that represents the MAJORITY of their beliefs.
IMHO.
October 2, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
RW's post sums up South Carolina's Future. The land of idiots. RW and Mouth of the South should band together and form a club, Oh, they already have one, its the KKK....
October 2, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nappyd (anonymous) says...
So did they even touch on any of the actual problems the area's facing, or just talked about hypothetical stuff w/o actually addressing issues?
October 2, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
RW wrote:
"...she'll head up to Washington and vote lockstep w/Barney Fwank!"
Agreed, but will Bawny Fwank be reelected? Pelosi?
We could get a Democratic president with a Republican controlled House and Senate. It's a possibility...
...however, I imagine that there's about to be more changes (of people, not necessarily party) in seats within Congress this year than we've seen in a long time.
October 2, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeg111 (anonymous) says...
If the fire issue is not true .... why does Henry care if Ketner runs it? It would just make her look bad. It's all a matter of public record Henry. You know what you have done, and now it has come back to bite you.
October 2, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bones (anonymous) says...
As much as I really hate voting for a lefty, it's way past time for Brown to go. Also, way past time for Gramnesty to be tossed out on his tail. We can fire Ketner when she comes back up for re-election. Heck, if she messes it up, I'll run against her personally, but brown has gotta go.
October 2, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Mouth of the south knee jerk nazi statement. It's no wonder you get what you choose and then gripe about it to high heaven.
Henry Brown:
Voted against the new GI Bill
Voted for the biggest bill to heaped upon the backs of the American workers. Count the $592 billion already sent to ease the financial burden with this $700 billion boondoggle and you get some big numbers and the fun hasn't even started yet. The taxes will be small compared to your devalued dollar and loss of purchasing power amongst other things over the long term. You know there are an est. $62 trillion in derivatives floating out there? It would make this pale in comparison if that portion went boom. National security? Try using a dollar that's worth nothing overseas. It's been the standard, now it's fighting for life as the buffoons in congress bow to their paymasters.
Let them declare bankruptcy on Wall Street. It would send a signal that the free market does work, albeit with some short term pain. No, No the gubmint must step in and prop up the Wall Street folks to prove they are needed and cure any ill. They propped up the Wall Street folks before the big crash. Then FDR took over from Hoover and what? The depression lasted how long? Then a another gubmint sponsored recession in '37-'39. So yeah, they've done us well and people here want more govt. None of you "I'm voting for Brown because he's the only choice" have the backbone to vote his butt outta office. All yap and no action, just maintain the staus quo. No wonder people like ol' Henry stay entrenched so long.
That being said it's much easier to make references to nazis, yeah that maybe might religious thingy is real important when ol' Henry and the rest of the thugs on the Hill are robbing you blind and bleeding you slowly and yet people like Mouth continue to find reasons to vote for idiots like Brown, the horse's backside. If they would pay attention instead of running their jaws, something might get done. Condescending old windbag. He doesn't have my vote.
October 2, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
RW, lefty lesbo, very creative and it's no wonder this state is last in everything.
I see you like the name calling tactic huh? Works for the lefties, so i guess since your a trend setter, let me dun try it. Great job RW, continue the status quo dude!! Vote fer Ol' Henry. Carry on.
October 2, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
So odd. I've never heard Linda Ketner say in ads that she is a lesbian. I guess you threatened guys have better info on that though? Further, religion and sexual orientation have no place in politics. Politics (read politicians) seems to have enough trouble keeping this country and this state in line as it is.
October 2, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thedarkpolitician (anonymous) says...
I think Henry Brown did a great job in the debate. He spoke well on all the issues and really stuck it to Ketner. He showed SC that she is ignorant in so many ways. I was also proud that he called her out about being a liar (on her past and her ads). My favorite part was when she tried to make him look bad about his campaign contributions and he pointed out that she held stock in or had contributions from the same companies. Good job Henry. I just wish he would have called her out about being a flaming liberal lesbian. But then that would not be politically correct (extreme sarcasm). I think its clear now who is most qualified to lead the First District. Go Brown!!!
October 2, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SpiderJohn (anonymous) says...
Henry Brown did not win the debate, nor did Ketner.
Ketner at least had intelligent, well formed ideas. She understood the questions and responded appropriately.
Brown stumbled, had to have questions repeated and had mini hissy fits when directly challenged. It was almost sad!
October 2, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
oldglory wrote:
"I've never heard Linda Ketner say in ads that she is a lesbian."
She didn't, but I think what everyone is referencing is her association/support for the "SC is so Gay" thing in the past.
Or did she? Didn't she say something during that time that hinted strongly that she is a lesbian?
I can't remember...
Hmm...must be Alheimer's...
October 2, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JC (anonymous) says...
Brown is a pompous AS*. He voted for the bailout. He is a politician concerned with himself and those like him, not the common folk. How this guy ever got elected in teh first place is beyond me. It's time for him to GO!
October 2, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bkeelin (anonymous) says...
Old glory: Further, religion... have no place in politics.
Check the founding fathers declarations, heck, check the founding charters of each of the states of this nation. Your comment is as erroneous as it is assinign. Check your history. Prior to a bunch of politically correct hate mongers God was at the forfront of this government. Unfortunately revisionist historians and people who are either too lazy or support lies, distort our national heritage.
The only hope we have to save this country is a national revival where people actually develop a relationship with Jesus instead of people just highjacking His name.
I know this sounds rough and I apologize, but I am tired of people saying God has no place in politics and let's be honest, old glory wasn't talking about religion but Christ.
October 2, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spaniel (anonymous) says...
Who is Linda Ketner? Her slick ads tell me nothing about her nor about what she believes in -- just the same catch phrase about new leadership in Washington. She has done a marvelous job in her ads of confusing voters as to whether she is a R or D. She has attacked Brown on his record but failed to show voters what her record is. Is she afraid to let voters know who she is and what she stands for? Honestly, Ms. Ketner voters are smarter than you have surmised -- they are not going to fall for your smoke and mirrors routine.
October 2, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Ms. Ketner was very articulate during the whole interview.She also brought about his ties to Halliburton.I believe She won this debate . I was impressed.....and I don't care about who she dates or what party she is in.
I wish her luck.
October 2, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbird (anonymous) says...
Time to retire Henry!!!
Ketner has her issues also. But one thing is certain. She sure does not need the $$$!
Her father Ralph Ketner was a workaholic who built Food Town, later to become Food Lion into a very profitable company. Food Lion was later sold to a much larger conglomerate.
October 2, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bbbox (anonymous) says...
I missed the debate. Does anyone know if it will be re-aired?
October 2, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
just click on the box above, bbbox - hope you haven't had breakfast, though, because Brown's behavior will make you ill.
He's a juvenile. He spoke to the journalists like boy whining to parents after he got caught picking on his little sister.
Take your ball and go home, Henry.
October 2, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
WOW.....
Commenters, if you would ...take a moment to see how this debate was covered in OUR state's newspapers online. It is a blatant example of how OUR state's media shows our candidates and fellow citizens DIS-RESPECT !! At least this article by this paper covers all the happenings no matter who you thought WON ?!? Do we NOT care what happens in the UPSTATE or Midlands ? The debate occurred in Beaufort; but their paper down there doesn't cover it??
I for one, am aware that neither candidate demonstrated LEADERSHIP !!! We need someone that will tackle not ONLY the issue but the BACKSLAPIN' too! Will Ketner call out Pelosi? Will she campaign for Nancy Harrellson against James CLYBURN ?? Will SHE ?? It would be the RIGHT thing to do!! RIGHT !! Did James CLYBURN scream about the ponzi scheme the DEMOCRATS where running at FANNIE and Freddie ?? Thats the sign of a LEADER !! Someone who will stand UP for what is right !!! Has James or Nancy or Linda OR HENRY stood up and screamed about the Coal Fired Plant in the PEE DEE region when we have our OWN nuclear FUEL in AIKEN that benefits South Carolina JOBS ??!?
Commenters.....I admire the time you take to input your thoughts, throw verbal grenades, crack a JOKE, or join the FOOD FIGHT;....BUT above all... WE ALL need to hammer home to both candidates and editors across OUR state that we are NOT FOOLS !! The time for OUR Reps we elect to go to DC and be Chummy and GET along ...are ....OVER !!!! Our candidate whoever it is better go up there and PACK HEAT !!! The time for deception and whispers are OVER !!!
October 2, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
If RW likes a certain political candidate, or dislikes the other, is almost enough reason for me not to vote for the candidate RW supports!
October 2, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
I'm not crazy about Brown & Ketner is not honest in the image she is trying to project.
We, dear voters, are screwed.
For more insight into Ketner, google her name & some rather revealing articles, written by her, on other issues not discussed in the debate, come up.
Initially I was impressed by her, but not anymore. I believe her judgment is questionable.
October 2, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
LINDA .............
Last Night was a ...DRAW !! Do you know what that tells YOU ?? You didn't ....WIN !! Young LADY....a REAL Leader will stand UP for what is right for ALL of South Carolina !! Not just YOUR district ?!? STOP ...trying to tell us that HENRY doesn't know how to play with ...MATCHES !!! You need to point OUT that he has not lit a fire UNDER our states ENERGY ...production !!! ALL FORMS !! Nuclear..SOLAR...WINDFARMS...Hydrothermal....Conservation initiatives through Building Code transformation.....and above ALL ..the backslappin' that is taking place with respect to COAL !!! We don't have Oil Wells or Coal MINES....MISSY !!! You need to MAKE it clear that you are FOR Natural GAS exploration ...EVERYWHERE !!! Especially OFF our COAST !! I did NOT see a WOMAN on a MISSION last NIGHT !!! Energy has ramifications to the COST of HEALTH CARE, the COST of EGGS, The Cost of TRANSPORTATION, ....EVERYTHING !! IT DRIVES OUR...ECONOMY !!! GOOD LORD !!
You need to demonstrate that YOU will Call OUT JAMES CLYBURN !! AND SPRATT !!! Are you going to be CHUMMY ...or a LEADER ??!?!?
You need to tell Gresham Barrett to wipe off that "PRETT BOY" smile and ask if HENRY and Gresham talked before the VOTING for the BAIL OUT ??? DID THEY ?? WE WANT TO KNOW ??!?! Did Henry talk to James "The Whip" CLYBURN before the VOTE???
"CATWOMAN" Ketner..... DO You know how to POUNCE ??? Save your Genteel manner for the TEA parties! You need to demonstrate you know how to wear a tight skirt and HOLD a BIG STICK !~!!
DO I Make Myself ....CLEAR !!!
Are we going to HEAR ...YOU ???
October 2, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GG (anonymous) says...
Let's see....a good ole' boy Republican or a liberal Democrat with no government service experience; my, what a choice. Makes me want to be an Independent.
October 2, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Henry..............
Since last night was a ...DRAW !!
Oh ..BOY ??! You mean to tell me that you will allow Gresham "PRETTY BOY" Barrett to smile like a FAT CAT ?? Get on the LOWCOUNTRY Airwaves like he SAVED the World ??? And not make a POINT of stating whether you BOTH talked before the VOte or NOT ??? Well ...DID YOU ?? You mean he did not try to get you to change your VOTE on the BAIL OUT ?? What does that demonstrate? Leadership or backstabbin' ?? WE WANT TO KNOW ???
You mean that you did NOT know how to PIN Linda to the wall by associating her with JAMES CLYBURN ?? James voted against his OWN Leadership and he was the one in charge of WHIPPING up the VOTE ??? James was silent and could have been a LEADER and informed NANCY that the BIll would NOT pass...thus negating the time WASTED in actually VOTING ?!?!
UN-Believable !!!!?? You Ravenel'er !!!
Henry ..you could have demonstrated that YOU care about ALL South Carolinians by nailing Linda on the COal Fired PLant being permitted in the PEE DEE region!! Henry...do you care about high paying ...tax revenue generating Nuclear Jobs in Aiken ???
Henry....get rid of YOUR campaign advisors !!! Look in the Mirror ! You need to watch the BUCKET LIST !!
What are you going to get ..DONE in your next term !!!!
Start lighting some MATCHES in DC and not your Back YARD !!
October 2, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
RW,
I really find it funny that you of people call me an idiot!
How does it go RW? LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 2, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Henry and Linda ......
Talk about Federal Highway Dollars.....
http://www.thestate.com/politics/stor...
What about this Causeway issue ??... Henry, how long is it going to take to get this RIGHT ?? It should have already been ...DONE ?!?! This is a Enviro- LAWYER - FEST !!
Linda....How would you handle this ??!?
October 2, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Posted by RW on October 2, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Henry Brown is a conservative Republican while Ketner is a lesbo liberal! Henry Brown w/o a doubt!! Ketner has no faith..her ad was an attempt to fool voters. Liberals are very good at lying!!
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Just because Ketner is a "lesbo liberal" doesn't mean she has no faith. Lots of liberals out there have faith in God. It's the closed-minded conservative loons who refuse to believe that such a thing is possible.
Henry Brown is an old codger whose time "serving" the people is up. Kick the geezer out and give some new blood a chance. If she screws up, we'll kick her out, too.
October 2, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
maybe Ketner and Graham would make a good partner together?
October 2, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Will One of these 2 Unbutton a BEAST ??
http://www.unbuttonyourbeast.com/
LOL.. LOL !
October 2, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
I find it hard to believe Brown would tell Linda Ketner to be "a real Southern lady".
I also can't believe Linda showed up for the debate in such short-shorts her testicles were hanging out.
October 2, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
Thomas,
I honestly think that the majority of folks (yes, I said majority) go into the voting booths and select "Republican" or "Democrat". They were raised one way or the other and, therefore, listen to only that one point of view as they get older, hence, end up voting for what they've been taught/seen/believed all their life.
Hopefully this "bailout" woke people up soon enough to have them actually research and select their candidate on credentials that appeal to them instead of simply voting for a party.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Get rid of Parties...let it be an American vs. an American at the debates.
(now I'm just dreaming...)
:)
October 2, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Henry... and Linda
http://www.unbuttonyourbeast.com/?a19...
You've got to ...LOL !!
October 2, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
This is a tough one. I initially thought the decision would be easy because I thought Ketner was a social conservative and fiscally liberal. Interestingly, although she does come across as a bible beater (as one commentor mentioned), she's actually pro-choice. (For other stances, check out http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?ca...) I'm not sure how she reconciles being so into religion but pro-choice, but at least it shows she's a rational thinker and not a blind zealot.
On the other hand, she is fiscally liberal, which is not what this country needs. (For an insightful commentary on the "bailout" see http://www.mises.org/story/3131) If you disagree, I challenge you to get your information regarding the costs and benefits of the supposed bailout from an economist rather than a politician, and see if you still think it makes sense.
Ultimately, though, I'm having trouble getting past Brown's demeanor. He's a condescending bully who uses rhetorical tactics to give the impression that he's made a valid point when he's lost.
Gotta give the edge to Ketner.
October 2, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
all these "lesbo liberal" claims....my goodness. Using that to attack her faith, too. You folks must be trying to use these completely irrelevant bits and pieces to support a claim that republicans are so much better!
How on earth can you overlook the immoral - not to mention ILLEGAL - actions that elected republicans make? Gay, rape, soliciting, child molestation ....
http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/
How on earth can you defend someone based on that party identification? How can you attack someone because they're in the non-sex offenders party? .... are you a sex offender, too?
October 2, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
A message from James CLYBURN.......
http://www.unbuttonyourbeast.com/?c01...
LOL ....LOL
October 2, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JC (anonymous) says...
Just because someone doesn't get married doesn't mean that they are lesbian or gay. What stupid thinking. I've never been married and although I've had several long relationships (5-6 yrs) and even lived with someone for several years, when they ended...I was damn glad I didn't marry them, because it would have only ended in an ugly divorce. Now, I know I will never ever get married because I've learned that men are self centered, egotistical, selfish asses. No where is it written that you have to get married! I would be there are more women out there that would rather be in my shoes than I wish I was in theres.
October 2, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
A Message from LINDA .....
http://www.unbuttonyourbeast.com/?732...
LOL !........
October 2, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
South Carolina has been a leader in the nation in education, economics, culture, and healthcare for years under republican leadership. Why would we ever want to change our brilliant place in this country? You "lefties" must be crazy...
October 2, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inthelowcountry (anonymous) says...
Why is it so hard for people to understand that one can be religious and still feel that a woman has a right to make her own decisions about her body? I have known plenty of Episcopal, Presbyterian, Congregational, Methodist, Lutheran, and yes, even Catholics who are both devoted to their God and a woman's right to choose. So please don't assume that Ketner being pro-choice prevents her from being Christian--it in no way does, despite what the zealots may think.
October 2, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
South Carolina is a leader?
SC ranks 26th of the 50 states in education:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm
SC ranks 39th in income, 5th highest in unemployment, 30th in healthcare: http://www.statemaster.com/red/state/...
We also rank 10th highest living in poverty, 10th highest in children living in poverty, and 4th highest in senior citizens living in poverty.
"Why would we ever want to change our brilliant place in this country?" asks ReasonSpeaks.
Because "our brilliant place" is scraping the bottom of barrel.
To say "lefties" are crazy? I think you must be, due to your ignorance of these facts.
October 2, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
ReasonSpeaks & inthelowcountry - AMEN!!
(and an LOL for ReasonSpeaks as well)
October 2, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
inthelowcountry: "Why is it so hard for people to understand that one can be religious and still feel that a woman has a right to make her own decisions about her body?"
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I do understand that some people are both Christian and pro-choice. However, in order to be comfortable with that, you have to either believe that a) life does not begin at conception (which is at odds with most Christian doctrines), or b) elective abortion is, in fact, murder, but it is justifiable. While some might gasp at the acceptance of justifiable murder, those who accept the death penalty or George Bush's war in Iraq clearly promote it.
Ketner may very well believe in god and go to church and be pro-choice. You are correct that the error is mine in assuming that because she mentions god and religion in her ads that she would automatically be pro-life.
October 2, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
To regroce:
I apologize if my sarcasm did not come through in my comments about South Carolina's vastly disappointing rankings nationwide. You made my point brilliantly.
October 2, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
No, your sarcasm did not stand out. I apologize for that false assumption.
Please note, though, that in this particular environment of entries, very very many are making similar claims of "everything's okay" and "Brown is a great guy" and "republicans are great!" and the like, and with apparent sincerity.
Due to such circumstances, I assumed your comments were more of the like.
October 2, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I don't think this is a left or right thing. I think it is agreed that most incumbents need to be voted out. Maybe not all of them, but those that have not represent the people or the country. I for one have not been taught to vote a straight ticket. It is voting for the best person for the job. Not all Democrats are evil. I don't believe in over abused social programs or taxing the hell out of people or corporations. Some of you tend to get caught up in this Left or Right fight. This country has a very important decision to make soon and I think many people are voting just to be stylish. I am voting for a proven leader with combat experience and the experience to lead this country and make tough decisions. Not some one with 140 days experience and who voted present 130 times sat on the fence and did not make decisions.
October 2, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
jeff, that's a scary thought... particulary if Palin has to take over for the "proven leader."
October 2, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Wow a comment by the uber patriot 1176 I agree with.... wow.
Must be the water and change of weather.
Good to see ol' zommie is still in love with the caps lock, !!!!,,,,,,,,,and...........
Gay rights, abortion have no action in this years election and are about as significant as a fart in a hurricane. In true Goldwater conservative fashion, abortion is a women's choice. It was hijacked somewhere along the line and has absolutely no play in any election I vote in. Those two issues are used as smoke screens to obfuscate real issues that affect us all on a daily basis. They are used by both sides.
If you want to flame away, go ahead, I'll consider the sources on here and give thanks I wasn't educated here when I read the responses.
October 2, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
RW doesn't read much, he likes bending over and having ol' Henry stick it to him with the bail out while telling him it's all good.
Nothing like term limits.
October 2, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DoaMM (anonymous) says...
jeff61 wrote:
"I think it is agreed that most incumbents need to be voted out."
Agreed.
Get rid of all the ones that have more than 6 years tenure. Keep the ones with less than 6 years in so they can "guide" the "1st graders" around the school (Washington) for the first time.
The folks with less than 6 years are like middle school kids...they WANT to be in High School, but will respect it more and hopefully do right when they see all the High School kids ahead of them get expelled.
IMO.
October 2, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jsks (anonymous) says...
Can the Post and Courier be any more biased? All the Republicans talk about liberal media bias? I don't live in Charleston anymore, but I do know Brown's record upclose. I live in DC right now and worked for a House member. Brown's reputation as a legislator isn't very high and if you look at his record, you will see he rarely introduces or pushs legislation and is not a player.
Ketner is absolutely right. If you listen to the underlying message in the video, the world IS changing and South Carolina had better realize that. Education, job growth and a business friendly environment are the big issues and you need someone in DC that understands that.
October 2, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
3olivesmike (anonymous) says...
"Your lisping, limpwristed whining is boring. Get a job and off moms couch! Pencilneck! Punk! Man the keyboard sure gives some people the Rambo complex!! A worm who has been billied all his life finally gets his turn...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Puker!!"
Are you describing your own problems?
October 2, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rhp2326 (anonymous) says...
If everyone who has benefited from Linda Ketner's commitment to charity and advocacy on issues important to middle-class taxpayers (like housing) decided to vote for her, she would win by a landslide.
And a spoiled elitist? Hardly. Linda spent weeks digging homes from under the mud and debris of Hurricane Katrina. Where it counts - integrity, compassion, accountability and character - she represents the very best of us.
October 2, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
On in the 230 something history of this nation, and correct me if I am wrong, only three presidents have died in office. This gloom and doom that McCain will died a week after taking office is getting old. To be honest, I would feel a hell of alot more comfortable with Palin surrounded by cronies then with Obama and his maxist agenda...and there is more then enough SOILD evidence to support that. I really have to wonder why people want to head this country in that direction. If you people are wanting to live that way,, I sure there are plenty of other countries that you could go to.
October 2, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Posted by rhp2326 on October 2, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And a spoiled elitist? Hardly. Linda spent weeks digging homes from under the mud and debris of Hurricane Katrina.
Well I was considering voting for her until I heard this...This shows a lack of common sense. A home buried in mud and debris is ruined and cannot be salvaged. And come on... you want me to beleive she was there with a shovel digging a house out?????
All in all she may be worth giving a four year trial
October 2, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rebel_Yell (anonymous) says...
RW is rolling today. He hurts the conservative cause far more than he realizes. Not like he undertstands it though or how elections are won. He obviously has a problem processing inmformation and making an informed, independent decision. What a name caller - that's what idiots do when they can't make a point. And by way of a pre-emptive strike, RW you are a dodo grunt and should form your own party called just that as no intellectual person would even want to be associated with your illogical thoughts!
October 2, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
What a name caller - that's what idiots do when they can't make a point. Say again.... What?????? Gee what an idiot for calling someone and idiot...you stupid idiot
October 2, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ConcernedDorchesterCitizen (anonymous) says...
Well, all I can say is my entire family is sick to death of getting screwed from Henry Brown - I don't care what sex she likes as long as she doesn't screw me.
I say we give her two years and see. We know we are going to continue to take it with Henry - I think she is different.
October 2, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
LOL some stupid moron.. probably related to JohnQ and the rest called in to talk back live and asked why was Palin selected as VP because she is from a place that is not part of this country...So typical..so uneducated..probably some welfare receipent calling in..does not even understand that Alaska is part of the US.....talking about idiots
October 2, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Hang on now.. let's not react so fast let see who she is willing to screw....one screw one vote
October 2, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rhp2326 (anonymous) says...
jeff61 -
I meant that Linda spent weeks helping people devastated by Katrina reclaim their homes - and that's just one small example of her commitment to improving lives. And yes, I have seen photos of Linda with shovel in hand and covered head to toe in mud helping those who were devastated by the hurricane. She works hard. I also know that she started and ran a food pantry for those returning to the hardest hit areas.
She doesn't wear these accomplishments on her sleeve nor does she often take credit for her contributions to local charities, preferring to be listed as "Anonymous." Yes, it's true absolute fact all of it. Linda is a wonderful person of extraordinary character. Perhaps she didn't literally dig homes out of the mud I apologize - but I know she is a committed humanitarian, with a very strong work ethic.
I understand - it's easy to be cynical. But Linda is very genuine and worth the risk. Can you think of one boast for Henry Brown after multiple terms in office? Seriously, I would love to know. I have not met anyone who can point to any achievement of significance.
October 2, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I could really care less if she is carpet muncher.. That would not effect her ability to represent the people....From what I seen of Brown.. I am willing to get her a chance
October 2, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
It'll be interesting to see what everyone says about Coldbeer when he runs against ...JIM Demint in the next election !!!
October 2, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ConservativeAmazon (anonymous) says...
Brown doesn't have to like Ketner, but that doesn't mean he should threaten her in the debate. That shows how petty he is. And the whole act like a Southern lady thing, what was that about? Sexism is his best weapon?
The forest fire story is a matter of public record. I saw her Red Flag ad he was so upset about, and it quotes directly from the Post and Courier, The State, and the Myrtle Beach Sun News. If the ad is untrue, as he claims, he should call out those papers, not Ketner.
Oh, and let's not forget about the whole Kiawah debacle, which was also covered by the Post and Courier. I hope this comes up in the next debate she has with him.
October 2, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
taxicab (anonymous) says...
Linda must have only been feeling just gay last night. I was waiting with baited breath for her to use the line that she was feeling "Way GAY" last night.
Oh well, there is always next time...
http://www.q-notes.com/oped/oped_100805b...
October 2, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ConservativeAmazon (anonymous) says...
Forest Service whistleblower complaint against Brown
and his letter demanding tax payers give him over $9,000:
just scroll down
http://www.commondreams.org/news2008/...
October 2, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Luke99982 (anonymous) says...
Brown is an old blowhard like me. Ketners smart and seems to know what she's doing. White men have messed up this country, so why not let the woman have a shot at it.
All these religious nuts who want to label her gay are hypocrites. They go right out there and vote for McConnell and Graham and don't think twice about it.
October 2, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
RW,, no she won't. this district is strongly supported by the miliatry..more so then people think.. the ship yard may have closed but there is far more money coming to this area from the military since then. She can do no harm if she has her best interest in mind and give us a chance to make a statement to these careree polictians with minimal risk
October 2, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
awwhite1134 (anonymous) says...
hey RW A LESBIAN LIBREAL CANT LOVE CHRIST TOO????.. weather its an act or not my father has been a pastor 40 years and also served in the army for several as well.... case in point libreals ARE JUST AS PATRIOTIC AND RELIGOUS AS ANYONE ELSE.... STOP THE BS of saying were less patirotic or less god loving than a consertive thats bs ..so stop coping that plea...
October 2, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
turtleman (anonymous) says...
For everybody that wants the truth PLEASE research the real Linda Ketner on the issues...
Most of the comments on the P&C are from Ketner employees trying to confuse all the voters out there. We simply cannot trust Ketner. She is trying to hide from her positions, her party and her homosexual lifestyle and pretend she is above it all and because she has never been elected to any position at any level of elected office she thinks that she can just spend millions of her daddy's money with endless commercials that do nothing but lie and smear (the latest figures are that Ketner has already spent over $1.5 million)...
If you doubt me just research the following positions:
Ketner has stated that she is in favor of abortion on demand even in the last term of pregnancy.
Ketner has stated that she supports gay marriage with full legal rights just as regular married couples.
Ketner has stated that she is in favor of ILLEGAL immigrants to "have a path to US citizenship"
Ketner has stated that she is against our gun rights provided under the 2nd amendment
And of course Ketner has stated she supports the increase in many taxes including small business and corporate taxes.
While I agree that Henry Brown is not perfect, he has a proven track record of helping our community and getting funding to the coast and does a good job representing the majority of the Districts traditional values...Brown has earned the right to be reelected by us if for no other reason if we don't vote for Brown every citizen in the 1st District will be horrified when the "real" Linda Ketner shows her face on Nov. 5th.
Don't believe her website, don't believe her commercials, be an educated voter and check it out for yourself by searching for Ketners answers on the survey at www.votesmart.org
October 3, 2008 at 1:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kahuna49 (anonymous) says...
I would not vote for either, they are both childish!!!!!!!! I feel unsafe having either one of them elected.
October 3, 2008 at 3:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
turtleman: the source you cite defeats your argument. It's apparent you will not for Ketner, and that's your right, but it is NOT your right to publicly lie about a candidate. And if you're going to do that anyway, at least find a source that supports your lies. Because the one you list does not.
On taxes: her survey response was "slightly increase" corporate taxes (which were continually lessened over the last eight years) - that is not applicable to small businesses, as you infer.
On gun rights: the survey makes no such reference to any restrictions. You made that up.
On illegal immigrants: yes, she responded that temporary work visas could be allowed, and that illegal immigrants could apply for citizenship - same thing the Bush Adminstration requested. Your quotation, though, is of the survey question - that is not a quote from Ketner herself.
Supports gay marriage: yes, she supports that. At least you got one right, and without any false insinuations.
On abortion: her response was "should be legal" - her response was not "even in the last term" as you attempt to infer.
You are attempting to do what many republican officials and supporters continue to do: mislead the public by stretching the truth, and even lying outright.
The public has had enough of that. That's why we're voting for Ketner and not the stretching/lying Henry Brown.
October 3, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
RW on a roll, facts get in the way of his thinking, oh wait, he's a local so thinking and facts are alien concepts to him.
So let me write something you'll understand...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........
,!,
October 3, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Turtleman must be Brown's campaign manager.
October 3, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
turtleman (anonymous) says...
regroce,
You seem to have all the answers why don't you tell Ketner to put the positions you stated on her website because the public cannot find those positions anywhere. And why is she hiding the fact that she is a Democrat? Why has Sen. Hollings or Reps Clyburn or Spratt endorsed her? Because they know who she really is, thats why.
Why is Ketner hinding her positions that she knows the public in SC won't find appealing? Any smart answers for that?
I'll tell you why, because she thinks she can spend all of her daddy's money to try and fool the people until election day. Sorry some of us have seen through her lies.
She is nothing more than a lying, California style, liberal, lesbian.
DON"T BELIEVE KETNER SHE CAN"T BE TRUSTED.
Despite what she thinks this congressional seat CANNOT be bought with the entire Food Lion fortune!!!
October 4, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
Actually, turtleman, those positions ARE stated on her website. Just go there (www.lindaketner.com) and click on "issues" - in fact, there are many more details on those positions on the website.
There's no hiding of anything. It's all right there - and that's my smart answer to your dumb question.
As for using her daddy's money? Why are some folks so eager to make that false statement? Ketner has been quite successful all by herself. She's president of the company she herself founded, teaches at the College of Charleston, and has won award after award after award for her role in our community.
She didn't need any of daddy's dollars to do her campaign, either. In fact, she's raised over a million dollars in donations from voters who are sick of Henry Brown.
So please please please tell me about these lies you continue to claim. So far in our communication, the only lies I see are coming from you.
October 4, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
turtleman (anonymous) says...
regroce,
You must be one of Ketners high priced staff because I see her getting money from all kinds of gay rights organizations from Los Angeles and New York City and I see writing herself checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars but I'm not sure where you see her success...without her daddy's money she wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in this District and you know it.
And I am still waiting for you to tell me where on the issues page it says anything about abortion, gay marriage, guns or illegal immigration...I have been to the website and I can find a tab marked "arts" but nothing on the mainstream social issues that folks in South Carolina hold to be important...maybe you are looking at a different Linda Ketner website but the one I searched has nothing about social issues hmmm I wonder why? I know because she is totally the opposite of most voters in the first District so Ketner has just decided that we don't get to know about those positions.
I and many other voters continue to wait to see when Ketner will tell us the truth on her positions on the issues...but I won't hold my breath because she will try to deceive the public right up until election day hoping that we don't find her out to be the California style liberal that she really is...
October 4, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
Hey, stupid - YOU were the one that made the claims about abortion, gay marriage and all that. You referred to a survey on votesmart.org . I replied to the false statements you made.
I never said her website had any of those topics. How on earth you come up with that interpretation, I'll never know. Then again, you being a Brownie buddy, I guess I shouldn't expect any better.
Stop your lying. Crawl back in your shell, turtleboy.
No, I am not any "highpriced staff" - (...what makes you think that any campaign staff are "highpriced" anyway? gee, a lot you know....) I don't work for her, I don't volunteer for her, I don't know her.
I *do* know Henry Brown, however. Too well. That's why I'm not voting for him.
October 5, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
turtleman (anonymous) says...
Hey stupid,
What is your little lesbian afraid of? Perhaps that if the real voters out there find out the truth that Ketner is pro abortion, pro gay marriage and pro amnesty for illegals that they won't believe any of the crap and lies that she has spend millions of daddy's money to buy...ohh thats right don't let the truth about those issues get to the people let's just talk about Brown's fire and stupid stuff like the arts and hope that the other stuff won't come up until election day...sorry there is a silent majority in coastal South Carolina that are determined to keep South Carolina the way it is, the way it always has been and the way it will always be and that is a conservative state...sorry to burst your bubble but you can always move to California if you don't like the reality!
October 6, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
Hey Turtleman,
How much are you paid to blog for Brown? Or are you his campaign manager?
October 6, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
regroce (anonymous) says...
I really have no interest in wasting space on the Post & Courier's website, but the opportunity to respond to your idiocy leaves me with no other option, turtleboy.
You are now claiming that Ketner is trying to hide her opinions. And even though her opinions are posted on a website that YOU YOURSELF POSTED HERE ON THIS SAME PAGE. ... sheesh ...
And you claim I'm trying to cover the truth? I'm telling you how to VERIFY the truth. (well, not you - I don't care what you think, but if anyone else bothering to read this wants to know the truth...)
At the same time, you are trying to cover up the fact that Henry Brown continues to cover up his real actions. He claims to be pro-veteran, but actually - and repeatedly - votes against bills that are for veterans. Just go to the same website you unsuccessfully tried to use against Ketner. www.votesmart.org
Look up what the real veteran's associations have to say about Henry. Disabled Veterans Association, for example - they gave Brown rankings of ZERO three years in a row, and because he's voted against veterans benefits time and time again. Yet, Henry tries to claim he's a veteran's best friend.
He only says that garbage to try to get re-elected. It won't work this time.
I'm giving up on this trading of barbs with you, turtleboy. I've got much much much better things to do than to waste my time on you.
As a last advice, be prepped for November. You and Henry can share a drink, talk about old times...
October 7, 2008 at 2:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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