Suspect in shooting also was wounded

Posted by Cid95 on November 21, 2008 at 1:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some follow up here, which is good, but I still can't really figure out what happened.

What we all want is to be free from random violence. People involved in domestic disputes, drugs, crime, gangs, etc - I won't say they have it coming to them but the risk factors are certainly there. Not sure what the situation is here.

Posted by moonpie on November 21, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah I know the deal with this one because I know the deceased through some business dealings. There's more to the story I'm afraid. I also know people that live near by and there's more to the story they say. Doesn't warrant a young man dying.
I heard it was 4 black thugs. Once again thanks for your contribution to our society.
Your right CID, you lay with dogs you will get fleas.
I am just amazed at how this perp was still walking the streets with that wrap sheet he had.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't sound so random anymore...

Posted by wrowe30 on November 21, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The comment section of this news paper should be discontinued it allows to much racism (black & white) to be displayed

Posted by theronce on November 21, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These stories create an atmosphere that you have to resist the natural urge to speculate...to fill in the gaps to understand an event. I would like to read a story that is complete. The body of most items are not much more than an expanded headline.

Posted by suec on November 21, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wrowe30
The guy is black. It's a fact. Not a speculation.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree theronce, I guess the P&C feels they have to get any information they have out as soon as possible so that they can compete with other news media forms. The TV station news teams are just as bad when it comes to putting out information that doesn't really ammount to much.

wrowe30, while I'll agree that racism on this board gets out of hand sometimes, I'm not sure I understand what makes you think you should be able to determine what we post or don't post.

Posted by coahtrtaylor on November 21, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am very saddened by yet another loss of human life because some people believe the criminal life of fast money without working a 8-10 hour day is beyond them or they are too lazy, whatever the reason.
Absurd!! Here you have a guy with a gunshot wound that goes to roll call with his probation officer. Come on, I know this is no laughing matter, the death of anyone regardless of what life they have is a sad time for family and loved ones, but I just had to shake my head at the irony. I just shot and killed someone, I have been shot myself, and so what do I do??? I go show up for my probation appointment so that I don't get in further trouble. I'm amazed.

Posted by caw2008 on November 21, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew Kyle for about 4 yrs..I met him through my son's father..he came to my son's babyshower..He was not a bad kid by any means... Besides the drug charges in 2006.. PEOPLE CHANGE & MAKE MISTAKES!! .. He got out the game, he did it to start over..He was loving his life, he had just bought a new home last yr, had a good g/f, nice car, great job.. Kyle wasn't the type to start any conflict, he never robbed, cheated, or stole from anyone! He was just standing outside his "own" home, HIS property, and his life was taken, just like that. We arent even safe anywhere anymore,not even in our own home..The only thing I have to remember him by is the Jeep Stroller he bought at my babyshower the only thing we have left of Kyle.. He was only 24 yrs old it just wasnt his time to go! Justice will be served!! You take a life you deserve your life to be taken. I totally agree with coahtrtaylor, how can you just shoot someone then the next day show up at your parole officer like nothing happened just so you wouldnt get in any trouble. Pretty sad. I know everytime I see a billiards table I will think of him. You will be missed Kyle!! We love you!!
R.I.P Kyle Bamman
I know your in a better place watching down on us
See you when I get there buddy!
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!!

Posted by wellinformed on November 21, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you caw2008. It is great to see someone stand up for the victim!

Posted by konphidence on November 21, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't care what anybody says about this young man. He may have been a "good person" I am willing to bet you this man had some bad demons lurking in his closet that none of the folks posting on this blog knew about............ just waiting for all of the other bloggers who blast "welfare scumbags"... will do the same for this person's drug conviction. This person's "drug conviction" was a mistake..... yeah right. let's call a spade a spade.

Posted by caw2008 on November 21, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DONT JUDGE ANYONE UNLESS YOU WALK ON WATER!! It doesnt matter, a mans life was taken. Im sure it would be different if the shoe was on the other foot.

Posted by caw2008 on November 21, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thank you welinformed. We need to focus on the friends and family of the victim right now. And by the way.. why did a convicted felon have a gun to begin with?!?!

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does walking on water have to do with judging anyone?

I agree that the drug conviction casts this entire story in a different light. As I said before, it'll be interesting if we ever learn all of the details.

Posted by caw2008 on November 21, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

that means only GOD can judge.

Posted by southern28 on November 21, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew Kyle for about over 10 years. I am very hurt to see that this happend to him. People want to talk trash about his drug charge, get over yourself... Noone is perfect and everyone has skeletons... Kyle was a great man and did not deserve to die this way... konphidence when something like this happens to you, I hope that someone has more respect then to say the things that you have said. Kyle Bammann will be missed.

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am puzzled as to why the PnC has started to report which funeral home will be handling the victims' arrangements.
Those facts have no revelance to the articles. There is an obituary page for that purpose.
Maybe some sneaky way to reveal race to the readers?

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

caw2008, the way you typed in all capital letters you had me thinking your reasoning was something important... like maybe they had passed a new State or Federal law forbidding judging others. Your reasoning only applies to religious people. I pass judgment all the time. As a matter of fact, the reason I don't follow your religious beliefs is because I judge them not to be worthy.

As far as this man being a good man, I'm not claiming anything different. I will say however that NOT everyone has an arrest record, be it drugs or anything else. I'll also say that when someone does have a past involving drugs and then they end up involved in something like this; we normally find out that the violent act was not a random act. It might be random, but I have my doubts now that more information has come out. It's all speculation at this point. Random crime does happen... it just doesn't happen all that often and it seldom happens where the suspect also gets shot.

Posted by suec on November 21, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC, how can a funeral home name reveal race?

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

suec, if you see a certain funeral home name then you know the race of the victim. It is extremely rare for a white funeral home to handle a black person's funeral and vice versa.

Posted by caw2008 on November 21, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

coldbud get over it.. this is a very important matter.. if this had happened to your child/family member you would probably feel the same way, kyle isnt hear anymore to stick up for himself so that is why other people that knew him dearly are there. i dont really care if you believe in religion or not.. thats ur own pref. ....and yes he has a arrest record.. but just b/c people dont have arrest records doesnt always mean that they do things that arent illegal. they just dont get caught. when it comes down to the point, yea it may have been over drugs blah blah blah, we dont know that yet, but there was no reason for a someones life to be taken from them. and honestly does it not sound weird that the suspect got shot at 5 pm (or maybe even earlier) the day before he turned himself in?? and i know the state offices usually dont open til 9 am next morning.. i dont think kyle shot him. its all planned in my opinion. and the way he turned himself in to caim his innocence...

Posted by konphidence on November 21, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

suec, I think it is perceived notion that certain funeral homes handle a majority of a certain race's burial arrangements. Just my observation......

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Coldbud-I agree with you. As a past drug dealer I immediately thougt this young man was or used to be involved in drugs. This was no random act, but that doesnt mean that this young man was still involved in negative behavior. From reading the article the past two days and my Knowledge (street smarts)I came to the conclusion that the guys probaly were trying to rob a ex-drug dealer whom they saw had made it out the game. He didnt neccessarily had to still be involved in drugs, the guys may have thought he still kept large amounts of money around him and thought they could rob him. Either way a young man's life was taken for no reason. Condolences to the family and I pray that justice is served.

Sue and RTC-black people tend to go to black funeral homes and whites tend to go to white funeral homes but I dont think that P&C were trying to inject race into this story.

I did say I hoped that this young man was trult out of the drug game, even though I wouldnt be surprised if he still was involved. The truth shall come out though.

And Moonpie-SELLING DRUGS TRANSCEND RACE. The younger generation sees this as a easy way out. Yall not going to tell me that this man acquired his money, house and business at 24 years old cause his parents helped him out now are you? I guess thats why he had drug charges. No ,matter how you look at it the 4 black guys killed a former and/or present drug dealer. No disrespect to his family but as a ex drug dealer thats still what he is no matter what good he did after. I hate to say it but thats how society sees 'us'.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

caw2008, I'm not sure what you want me to get over. I haven't said anything bad about your friend. All I've said is that this doesn't sound random any more. I don't know the details any more than you do, so I haven't said anything beyond that. If this happened to my child or family member I'd be highly upset. Since none of my children are involved in criminal activity, that would make it a random crime. Random crimes are the scariest because you never know who is next. I wouldn't be on here reading comments though. I won't speculate on whether someone deserved to die or not until I know all of the facts involved, if they ever come to light.

FYI, all crime is a very important matter. It was an important matter before you created your account this morning.

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on November 21, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately i have been to many a funeral at Dyal and they were of both the black and white race!!! So can that theory! I know for a fact that sturh's also is willing to handle anyones funeral! first and utmost it is still a business. Race has nothing to do with this, the young man is dead obviously before his time and he had paid his debt to society and turned his life around as far as judging him, hell no b/c i certainly do not want to be judged on some stupid thing i did as a young young adult not grown up enough yet to know better. caw2008 and southern28 My deepest sympathies in your loss of your friend.

Posted by BravesFan on November 21, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ColdBud- God still loves you...he misses you. I hope you realize this before it's too late.

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Satan-Are you serious? He was convicted of selling drugs 2 YEARS AGO!! How could that qualify as a stupid thing he did as a young adult? At 22 he sold drugs and got caught; he's was 24 now. I guess when I got convicted (I was 24); Im 32 now. Im glad society sees this federal drug conviction on my record as a mistake I made when I was 'young and stupid' as you put it.

And yes the funeral homes dont care who they take cause they are in business to make money. People just seem to take their loved ones to funeral homes with the same racial makeup as themselves. Cant remember the last time I saw a white person buried by Fielding, Smith-McNeal, or any of the other black-owned funeral homes. Im sure they would be happy to take them but they dont get them!! I dont see anything racial about that its just that people feel more comfortable.

And regardless if this young man was still involved in drugs or not his life didnt need to be taken by these criminals and they deserve proper punishment. Promise you one thing thuogh, only reason they will get time at all if any is because the prosecutor and/or defense lawyer will invoke that drugs were involved due to this ma's prior conviction. Drugs get longer sentences than murder!! Thats the shame about this all.

Coldbud-We all know this wasnt random.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BravesFan, I'm not sure how he can miss me unless your god is delusional. He never knew me. Please tell him that I am heterosexual and happily married. I hope he realizes that before it's too late and some mythical law enforcement agency locks him up for stalking or something. Thank you! :)

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on November 21, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kontact, all i was saying is that yes he did time for a crime and after that he was working hard to straighten his life out and lead a productive life among society. I am unawaer of his drug convictions for all i know it could have been simple possession. Not well informed and for that ignorance is not bliss in this situation. kontact it is just that my hubby(the satan part of my screen name) has convictions on his record of possesion not selling that are 20 years old and i dont judge him on that and yes i have seen his rap sheet that is where i was going with the idea of not judging the deceased b/c of that one mistake. Sorry if i offended you. I completely agree with you on the funeral home concept one chooses the home in which they feel most comfortable. Nothing to do with race I agree. Thank you.

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez, I wasn't making this a racial article. Anyone that knows my posts knows better than that. I was just curious as to why they have started mentioning funeral home arrangements at the end of all of the articles involving a death. As I said, there is an obituary page for that purpose. I was just throwing out a possibility.

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Satan and RTC--I apologize if I went off just a lil, but its just that I get emotional when it comes to drugs. I try to do everything I can to make up for my past mistakes and yet I still get the label--People dont seem to forget as easily as they make it. I sold drugs at 21-23 years old and got aarrested at 24 years old after I really was out of the game but the federal govt has this charge called conspiracy that means they can still go back and convict with no time limit. I never got caught with drugs but was told on by other convicted felons for time reduction in their sentences. They arrested me (and bout 25 other people) and I have been trying to do the right thing since. Some people dont seem to forget. Thats all I was saying. It amazed me how yall said it was a simple mistake that he made when he was youger. I wish everyone thought the way you did. :)

...and I know yall werent trying to be racial too.

...cant wait till the rest of the info about this case comes out.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kontact, I'm curious... you seem to have accomplished what so many others fail to accomplish. I constantly argue that we give criminals too many chances and that they seldom reform themselves and become productive members of society. What made you change your life?

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coldbud-I learned that being locked in a 2-man cell for 20 hours a day is too much for me. I stayed in county jail for 19 months waiting on sentencing. Ohh and the fact that Im scary.

No seriously, I changed my life because of the fact I put my trust in the lord and I had a support system that a lot of these young guys dont have. I had a mother-stepfather, father-stepmother, and family that supported me when I was released. I focused on what I needed to do; get a job to support myself and my daughter. A lot of these guys come from broken homes and have noting to come home to. I believe that if we helped them out once they were released that alot would never go back. No one helps these guys out so they are right back to where they started. Not financially onl but counseling too. Help in finding jobs that pay more than minimum wage. Direction to schooling so they may learn trades. I am probaly more republican than any but I have to support programs that help these ex offenders. Problem is that we dont have any programs like that to help. Im no difefrent than any of the other guys released fromo prison except that I had and was willing to ASK for help.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the answer. You've given me a few things to think about. Now.. I have to ask.. if the support group (parents) were there for you after the fact... how did you end up in the life that got you in trouble to begin with? I'm assuming that they were there for you before hand too. I think breaking THAT part of the cycle.. the part that causes children and young adults to get in to crime is the real answer. The long term fix.

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on November 21, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KONTACT kudos to you my friend. I know from experiance within my family exactly what drugs can do to the whole family and it is a living nightmare. I applaude you for your change in attitude and life. My husband is doing the same thing but it seems to take him a little longer. I am glad i have never gotten caught up in that scene and went the college route and a carrer. violent crimes are hard to overlook, with that said ONE drug charge in ones younger years will not be judged by me i DO NOT AND WILL NEVER have something like that against me b/c i dont go near them but i had a DUI 22 years ago, that was my mistake when i was in my 20's and if someone wants to judge me by that well then go for it but I wont be judging someone else for something they did! That would make me a hypocrit!

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on November 21, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kontact were you in CCDC by any chance say 2006, 2007? 20 hours a day sound like 1-A/1-B

Posted by MRSCVS on November 21, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow I read the comments and they were pretty interesting to say the least.

Some of you commentors really learn from your mistakes I salute you and throw KUDOS at ya!!!

As for the matter at hand I feel for this young man family and I do offer my sincerest condolences to them.

As for the shooter exactly what were you thinking when you took someone life???

The audacity of you to show up at your PO office... the lunacy here is just astounding....

Posted by jdmk on November 21, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand this comment section but feel the need to put my thoughts down since so many of you who do not know Kyle or his family feel the need to put your opinions where they are really just not needed. This man was someones child, nephew, cousin, friend...this is just horrible and I hope none of you have to feel what we feel...what his mom, dad, brother, and sister feel. I'm not going to tell you all how great he is bc anyone who knew him already knows that. There is no need to defend what type of person he was bc I do not think anyone could speak badly about him. I know not one of you writting these comments can honestly say you have not broken a law...have you driven above the speed limit or ran a red light? That would be nothing right...not the same...until you killed someone speeding while running a red light...it is always so easy to talk about others and make assumtions. His life is over and at 24...he will never get married...have children...experiences we will take for granted...his family is ABSOLUTELY amazing! Could you imagine getting that call that your son has been shot and than to come on here and read all your "opinions"...why don't you just go over and kick them while they are really down...it would be the same thing. You all wonder what really happend...does it matter? Kyle was killed in a nice neighborhood....his neighborhood that he deserved to live in, had it happend in North Charleston would you even care to comment? Let him rest in peace...better yet let his family have the peace they need to move on and not have all their sons problems written about over the internet. You have problems to... you just haven't had anything bad enough happen to you for it to make it on the news. No matter what a life was lost that shouldn't have been random or not. Who does that? Who kills someone like that? How about you all put your opinions out there about Byron Kinsey? Kyle's a victim no matter what and he is not here to defend himself so please just stop.

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Satan-I was in county from feb '01-aug'02. Hopefully, I will never see that place again. I was in 1-b (the federal hold unit).

Cold-I think its the culture that these kids live in. People dont want to work for nothing anymore. They think things come freely. I hate to go there but I do believe its a combination of movies, music, peer-pressure. I would say that a lack of parental involvement also but how do we explain thee kids from Mt. P that went around robbing stores? Parents can only do so much, we have got to teach the ounger generation the importance of a future.

Sometimes we also look at things differently or downplay the significance depending on WHOM did the crime. I wrote a paper at CofC (20 pages) before I graduated on the sentencing laws of crack vs. cocaine in sentencing felons. The stigma behind crack is overblown when compared to the stigma behind cocaine. Ex. Its ok when Obama said he did coke in school but if he had said he SOLD coke to pay for school it would have been no way in the world he would be where he is now. The both are illegal but since young black men overwhelming sell crack and are involved in the drug trade they get that label. I sold cocaine and made tens of thousands more than these guys but since I didnt sell crack I have the opportunity to be here speaing on it. Thats just not fair nor right and I know this even though I benefited from these laws personally.

Now Im not saying that fixing the drug laws will cure crime but it would give the offenders a better chance to come out here and do something productive witht their lives. Ravenell used 500 grams of coke during his investigation (that is 14k wholesale). If I was selling it thats what I would sell it to smaller dealers for, 14K. He got 6-months.
$100 WORTH OF CRACK WILL GET YOU MANDATORY 10-YEAR SENTENCE. Please dont be confused cause Mandatory means mandatory. Tell me the fairness in this?

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on November 21, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yo kontact my hubby was in there, 1-B, then as well! believe it or not.

Kontact isnt crack just the rock form of coke?

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, crack is coke with baking soda added. You need coke to make crack so why punish these criminials more harshly than coke dealers that profit a whole lot more. Give both harsh sentences at least. Im not saying we should be lenient at all, just fair.

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kontact,wow,thanks for sharing your story. You are living proof that people can change their ways if they truly want to. Do you mentor? If not, you would be fantastic.
Satanssybil, do we have the same family? LOL
I, too, know what drugs can do to a family. My parents were always there for us, but both of my big brothers still took the wrong path by their own choice.
I,being a good bit younger, saw the heartbreak that they caused my parents, so I decided to be the good girl.
That was the only positive thing that has come out of the whole mess. I made sure that my children have always known what drugs can do to your life. I use their uncles as prime examples. They have grown up to be drug free young adults.

Posted by kendl44 on November 21, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RIP Kyle! I will always remember the good times. You were a wonderful person whom everyone loved. You and God watch over your mom. She'll need your strength. I'll see you soon!

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We all have those elements in our families. Some more than others (Me, I think). :)
I do mentor but this school year I had to take a break because of work.

Yall have to excuse my rants about drugs but I get that way everytime drugs come up and someone starts me up. We need more people like yall to not judge people from the past but judge them for the present and what they are doing NOW.

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kontact, you can rant all you want. You have passed through the fire and come out whole again.
I am thinking about asking a local middle school if they would let me tell some of their students about what it's like growing up in a drug addicted family. I have never done anything like that before, so it makes me sorta nervous. What do you think? Should I take that step?

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was nervous the first time I did it. It went well though. You can never go wrong when your helping kids. A lot of these kids are growing up in these environments and dont know there is a way out. The Trident Urban League is a good place to start. Mentoring is definitely good also. Another group that I like is Metanoia. Its a faith-based group out of North Chas led by Rev. Bill Stansfield. He is a wonderful , dwn to earth Christian. I was a lil nervous at first when I contacted these people but it worked out for me. It would definitely be worth it. Go for it. One more thing,there is a school called Septia P. Clark Corporate Academy on James Island that needs mentors too.

Posted by RTC on November 21, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for all of the info,kontact. You have given me a place to start.

Posted by palmettogirl on November 21, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thugs (white, black, brown, yellow) in the "game" need to realize how much their actions affect their family and friends. They chose to play the game and the family is left with the consequences. Even when they decide to get out and change their lives. I pray for the family and hope they can find some kind of closure.

Posted by ColdBud on November 21, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks again for answering kontact. I still feel you are the exception to the rule though. I agree that punishments for cocaine and crack should be the same, but I feel, no offense, that they should be tougher. My impression is that many do two or three years behind bars and then go back to the neighborhood and pass it off like it was no big deal and go right back in to the same lifestyle. If the young kids see the money they are making, and they get the impression that doing time is short and no big deal... what is there to deter them?

Posted by palmettogirl on November 21, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kontact, I enjoy reading your comments. If God forbid you were shot tomorrow by a thug. The Post and Courier would do the same type of story. They would make sure to include your past criminal history and find a way to input your race. (Unless your name gives a hint) Also the comments will be similar to what I am reading today. Think about it.

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I kinda see what you you mean. Only thing is, I believe if(Lord forbid) something happened to me then it would be reported as a posibble drug deal gone awry if they randomly broke in my house. The reason I say this is because the type of car I drive may give people that dont know me personally to assume I sold drugs now. I can see my neighbors now saying,"Yeah, thats how he affords that house and those cars". People assume things about young black men that they may not neccessarily assume about people of other races. When some people see a young black man in a nice car they think to themselves ohh thats a drug dealer. Not being racial but we all have stereotypes. Plus Im a ex-drug dealer. I could honestly see how people would come to that conclusion.

A ex-drug dealer with a 250k house and rims on a SUV in the yard. Sounds like a drug dealer to me. If anyone ask any of the police officers in North Chas or chas that know me they would be quick to tell them that's not the case with me. But I do have the characteristics so I could understand. I am offended by all of this but its something ex offenders that do right put up with. I work 70+ hours at work, just as much or more than the next man, but I did wrong in the past so it will always be conversation to people that judge others.

Posted by kontact on November 21, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PALMETTO-I agree, doing wrong has never ending consequences. But like my Pastor said, "Sometimes we need to take stumbling blocks and turn them into stepping stones to a better future. My stumbling block was selling drugs and I would unbelieveably never be in the proffession Im in now if I wasnt arrested and someone else told me about it. Everything happens for a reason.

Posted by yird on November 21, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting discussion. Not being a user of drugs or alcohol(just a big time nicotine addict)I'm not qualified to assess the benefits or pit falls of there consumption.

Some have suggested making all drugs legal thereby removing the monetary component,unless of course the government places huge taxes on it thus encouraging illicit sales and a resumption of criminal activity.

Prohibition created a whole new class of gangsters just as drugs has encouraged the gangsta element.

Kontact, whatever in the past I have disagreed with you on probably remains fixed but your ascension from the loser to where you are today is commendable. Salute!

I also was involved in some nefarious activities as a teenager, and was expelled from school at 15.
It was just plain old sh+thouse luck that I avoided lengthy incarceration and was in later years given an opportunity to acquire some education. I'm still learning.

Posted by SCPDBLUE on November 21, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not another Bravo Mike killing another Bravo Mike,this cant be right.

Posted by MRSCVS on November 21, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What? SCPDBLUE.

Kontact, I commend and salute you dear friend for the road you have travel to get to where you are today.

See people it can be done you just have to want it...

Posted by SCPDBLUE on November 22, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MRSCVS, What? SCPDBLUE. I'am sorry MRSCVS How about this, Not another Black Male killing another Black Male,this cant be right.

Posted by MRSCVS on November 23, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow SCPDBLUE just wanted to know what the bravo mike was about now I do.

Dont be sorry just be TRUTHFUL!!!!!

Posted by SCPDBLUE on November 24, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MRSCVS , I didnt want to sound unPC by saying black males,you know we must be PC now days,even though 85+% of crime across our nation is commited by Black Males according to the FBI and the Dept Of Corrections.

Posted by Greatcity on November 24, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most crimes are committed by white collar workers,they will not get charged or loose their assets. I do not know what you are reading but the most hideous crimes are committed by white males. Also, white collar crimes are not reported.

Posted by palmettogirl on November 24, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, don't you think it is easier to lock of the minority drug dealer than the white political figure that seduces young boys. The show "to catch a predator" was a clear example, how many black males did you see on that show. That show makes me wonder, policemen, military men, religious figures and even school teachers were sitting on their computers looking for these young, pre-teen boys. The same FBI official that is reporting these stats are probably going home looking for young boys on his computer, better yet maybe he is doing it at work. SICK! LOOK AT THE OLD DISGUSTING RELIGIOUS LEADERS that molest children for years. Apologies for yelling but I am very passionate about minorities commiting most crimes. And let's not even start with the white collar crimes....

Posted by palmettogirl on November 24, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I still don't understand the black male killing another black male. if you were referring to this story, the victim was not black. Just wanted to correct you, if you were referring to this story. BTW I don't see it as race. I see it as a bad drug deal. Just another drug deal gone bad.

Posted by palmettogirl on November 24, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But let's keep the focus on Black Men so MR.FBI can keep seducing Billy. Watch out parents Mr.FBI is up late tonight and his wife is clueless or pretends to be at least.

Posted by SCPDBLUE on November 25, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

palmettogirl ,How many white males do you see in the news at 4,5,6 & 7 oclock who have commited a crime of violence,drugs or other crime? How about white males on the A&E program THE FIRST 48,Foxes COPS.Come out on the street and ride along with the NCPD on a Fri.,Sat during a hot summer night and see who is doing the crime.Greatcity, We are talking about street crime,the crime you see on the news every night,read in the paper every day.I'll say the same to you as palmettogirl,come ride along with us and see for yourself who is doing the street level crime that the people who live in these war zone areas are tired of seeing day in and day out,tired of seeing youg black men shot down on the street by other young black males. Go sit in a court room downtown or on Leeds Ave.Go by Probation and Parole on Leeds ave.during check in day and see for yourself who is seated waiting to see his or her parole agent.As for palmettogirl's comment about child molester,I say hang them,because you cannot rehabilitate these scum bags. I am with you on that.

Posted by brownbit07 on December 1, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have known Kyle since I was in elementary school and I am now in college. So it has been a long time. As JDMK said there are no words to describe Kyle. He was a fun guy and I always knew there was a laugh coming when he was around. Yes people make mistakes and yes Kyle did. SO what he was arrested for drug charges.... The point is he is not here now. His mother and father lost their son. That is the point. We know that this was not random. Anyone can see that. Is it really safe to say that he was still involved in drugs? Is that even our place to say? As KONTACT said it could have been someone trying to rob him because he was out of the game and made it. It makes me sick to see people on here not only judging him but not seeing the big picture. A friend is gone. A loved one is gone. A son is gone. Get that through your heads. I went to N. Charleston High School and God knows that I have been to way too many funerals to be my age. Evrytime it always goes back to something that the victim may have been doing wrong. But what is boils down to is how we as family and friends feel putting that loved one in the ground. No one "deserves" to die. It is not our place to make that decision. Poeple do wrong everyday. People sell drugs everyday. No its not right but it still gets done. Kyle was one who got caught, so its on his record. Heaven would need to come down to earth for us to be able to catch every drug dealer there is. It cant be done. All we can do is what we can and that is try to clean up our streets. I remember seeing kids selling drugs in school. Watching them on the streets. Sitting at some of those same people's funerals crying my eyes out asking why..... America came together when 9-11 happened and then drifted apart. We were in a crisis then but what people dont realize is that we're in a crisis now and it's closer than ever to our homes.

Posted by MRSCVS on December 1, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brownbit07....I could not have said it any better.
You hit it dead on the nail with that comment.
Please accept my deepest condolences in the loss of your friend Kyle.
May GOD have mercy on this world...