Young activists fired up in fight against coal
JOHNSONVILLE — Outside the high school here Tuesday night, as people gathered for a public hearing, three young women wrestled with a big black inflatable coal plant that looked similar to a jump castle — except for the words "CLEAN UP DIRTY COAL PLANTS NOW" on the side.
One woman trying in vain to get the prop's smoke stacks raised was Katheryn Hilton, 20, of Aiken, who two months ago spent 11 hours in jail after being arrested at a demonstration at a coal plant in Virginia. Hilton said coal is a dirty technology that will spew mercury into the air and waterways and contribute to global warming.
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Next to her, Sara Tansey, 20, looked for leaks. She took a year off from the University of South Carolina to fight the coal industry. "There are lots of young people who got engaged on the climate and energy issue during the election," she said. "I think young people are really awakening to injustice of the whole life cycle of coal."
Across the country, anti-coal activists, many of them students in their 20s, are attending hearings and engaging in demonstrations and acts of civil disobedience reminiscent of the protests their parents might have seen in the 1970s against nuclear plants.
It's a big change from the 1990s when utilities went on a coal-plant construction binge with little or no controversy. But today, projects such as Santee Cooper's plan to build its Pee Dee coal plant face a new generation activists, along with the usual cadre of established environmental groups.
"It's a little intimidating to be here with people in their 40s and 50s," said Sara Sprehn, 19, a sophomore at the College of Charleston. She and seven others from the college drove two hours to attend a state Department of Health and Environmental Control hearing about the plant's effect on state waterways. "We're educated about the issues, and we want our opinions to be heard."
Santee Cooper is seeking state and federal permits to build two 600-megawatt generators.
As part of the permitting process, DHEC and the Army Corps of Engineers must hold a series of public hearings. Tuesday's focus was on water quality, and about 200 people gathered in the Johnsonville High School gymnasium to support or oppose the project.
As in past hearings, some argued that the new plant would create new jobs. Santee Cooper officials insisted that the plant would be the cleanest of its kind. Their supporters said without the plant, the region could face brownouts and blackouts.
Meanwhile, other residents said they worry that the coal plant will pollute the air and waterways and contribute to global warming. Some cited information from the recent Post and Courier series "Toxic Ash," which revealed that coal ash is contaminating groundwater at some landfills and ponds with arsenic and other heavy metals many times the federal drinking water limit.
DHEC officials said they plan to take these comments into account as they decide whether to grant Santee Cooper a permit, but government regulators and environmental groups all have said they expect the matter to end up in a court battle.
A wild card in the coal debate is whether anti-coal activists take the matter to different arenas.
In the past several months, protesters picketed a coal plant in Kansas. They formed human barriers outside a plant in Virginia, where Hilton and 10 others were arrested.
In April, activists locked themselves to bulldozers outside a Duke Power plant under construction in western North Carolina and spread a banner that said "Global Warming Crime Scene." Police used stun guns to control some of the demonstrators and arrested eight people. This fall, Al Gore said, "We've reached the stage where it's time for civil disobedience to prevent construction of new coal-fired power plants that do not have sequestration."
During the hearing, Hilton became emotional as she talked about her concerns. She said she drove four hours to be here and had a four-hour drive back that night. "I'm here representing thousands of South Carolina youths who say coal is not the answer to the state's energy problems."
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zoomru (anonymous) says...
Thanks so MUCH... TONY and Charles for letting US all know where to be last NIGHT!!
At least you could have made this a HEADLINE ..... !!!
We now know what side YOUR .........ON !!!!
Heaven forbid that someone show up that knew how to ...explain the TRUTH !!!!
When is Santee's Next MEETING..????
November 19, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Hmmm...With 30 + tons of Nuclear fuel in Aiken that would benefit Nuclear Jobs and South Carolina Tax Revenue vs. 4 Million Tons of RAILED or Shipped COAL....!!!
How much are we talking for CSX and Norfolk-Southern....??? Where does that money go..??? Biedler Forest...?? Jasper Port...?? Magnolia Project...?? "Promenade Landfill" Developmnet...??? Shipyard Creek Developers...??? TO FUND THE VERY CAMPAIGNS OF WHO......??
Uh...oh ??!! THIS IS THE REAL STORY.....!!?!
James CLYBURN....Henry Brown....Joe Wilson....Bob Inglis....SPRATT??....Barrett????.....Bauer....Campbell (8 Million ..eh?).....COUNTY COUNCILS??....TIM SCOTT....Hutto.....***DAVIS***....OUR STATE'S LANDFILLS ??.....WASTE Management???.....DHEC FAMILY MEMBERS.....
-------- Good GOD...People !!!------
November 19, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
We know who is DARTH VADER's fingers.......!!!
Big COAL, Big RAIL, DHEC "BRASS", Electric CO-OP CEO's and BOARD Members, Bogus "GREEN" enviro PIMPS, Local OIL LOBBY Reps, McConnell, Harrell, Clyburn, Brown, Sanford, Riley, Coble, Summey, South Carolina Department of Education...and anyone that doesn't think like a South Carolinian **FIRST** !!
Talk about the Big 3 Autos being Dinosaurs!! Jim (T-Rex) REX ....what is YOUR Fuel Budget for Heating OUR schools and running buses in this entire State..!!!! What ??
We want to KNOW !?!?!
That electricity that is consumed should come from NUCLEAR POWER that benefits SC JOBS and taxes !!! --....AND you want to be Governor too...!!!
Geez..!!!
MY BACKSIDE..!!!
November 19, 2008 at 6:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Mark Sanford......we greatly appreciate you vocal stand AGAINST Bobby and Glenn and the MONGREL Rest; BUT...BUT!! You need to come out and explain why these nuclear permitting hoops were NOT begun by Gov. Carroll Campbell years ago..?? WHY ??
You mean we have to WAIT on some wimp in DC?? ..or the Dept of ENERGY...??
Why did Henry "ON GOLDEN POND" Brown or James "GRAND MASTER FLASH" Clyburn or ANY of our so called DC leaders NOT stage a PROTEST in the House or Senate Chambers ????
Would Martin Luther King stand for this.....HECK NO !!!! Would Ben Franklin...???
Would ANDREW JACKSON....???
I bet if Ben Franklin was alive we would be after the latest TECHNOLOGY to transform OUR .....WHAT ??? E-N-E-R-G-Y ..!!! All Forms.
November 19, 2008 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
I am LUKE, Han SOLO, and...YODA!
Do we have a Chewbacca or a Princess Leya to fight the EVIL EMPIRE and storm Troopers in Inside and OUTSIDE our state???
What planet are all the LAWYERS from that hold OFFICE??..!!
They need to stop hangin' out at the bar at the LOS EISLEY Space PORT (or Diane's on DEVINE)..!!! Or getting campaign STASH from Jabba-the-"HUTTO" !!!!!
** MARK SANFORD **(Obi-ONE-Kenobi) ...you are OUR only hope!
The plans for SC ENERGY transformation are stored on my R2 unit. Your voice must be used to ensure it gets into the MINDS of the REBEL ALLIANCE !!!
Mark....STAND UP and Close all Landfills FOREVER with NEW Plasma Technology!!
STAND UP and harness OUR wind along OUR Entire Coastline with NEW wind turbine technology.
Stand UP and take advantage of POWER, RAIL, and Highway easements to buildout our statewide Elevated Mag-Lev transportation system with NEW Technology.
**AND ABOVE ALL * ...STAND up and take advantage of ALGAE Bio-diesel Farming to benefit our FARMERS!
http://cc.pubco.net/www.valcent.net/i...
November 19, 2008 at 6:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
islandbenzbc (anonymous) says...
Keep on you nuts and you'll be painting your protest signs by candle light...work within the system to make things better, civil disobedience is not the answer.
November 19, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Why does this kind of stuff always make me think of loons.
November 19, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ed52 (anonymous) says...
more liberal educated IDIOTS ! they should set an example. turn off their heat and hot water. every time they blog and charge their cell phone they are poluting
November 19, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Too bad the bimbo who was arrested will not be able fill out a job application without checking the "have you ever been arrested" box. Maybe Al Gore will give her a job!
My guess these women will be selling shoes when their 'education' is finished, along with the other CoC protesters. Mom and Dad will be so proud.
November 19, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBud (anonymous) says...
Young activists = Misinformed and under educated
November 19, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
B_Fwank (anonymous) says...
JimIslander - upholding the fine oratorical traditions of the infantile, immature, bedwetting Democrats. If you can't defeat them with ideas, break out the invectives.
November 19, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
B_Fwank,
Is that you RW? Say it isn't so...."invectives", oh I see that you can use a thereaus. But I guess is not RW because he would have never say that, knowing that all he did was use invectives with little substance in his post.
I feel that activism needs to make a come back. There is way too much apathy in todays youth.
November 19, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GermanyXO (anonymous) says...
These kids should launch an ad campaign to curb population growth in the greater Charleston area. I doubt many of these protesters took a logic course that discussed the concept of supply and demand.
Protesters: Challenge the supporters' claim that without this new plant, there will be brownouts and blackouts. Also, present research studies about existing plants' pollution records to your county legislators--what has Santee Cooper done to decrease the environmental impact that these existing plants contribute through water pollution and increased green house gases? Furthermore, find out about the people involved in granting state and federal permits--how can you steer their decisions in a legal and persuasive manner to win your case?
Find out what kind of help they need--what facts are they looking at to aid their decisions and how can you supplement those facts and widen their perspectives?
Imagine you were the one to grade the reports printed in response to Santee Cooper's permit requests. What kinds of environmental regulations would you want enforced at this new plant if it were built? What about the older plants? What evidence can you present to prove Santee Cooper isn't maintaining its facilities properly?
Protesters: Prove the Power of Your Pens are Mightier than the Power of a Utility Company's Fat Wallet.
November 19, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
BTW, I would rather have an educated liberal idiot, than an uneducated conservative redneck idiot.
November 19, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drkralc (anonymous) says...
AMEN COLDBUD! Can I add Misled? Later in life they'll rationalize their actions and lift a flag stating how brave they were to stand up to the man.
JimIslander - You can tell you've lost an argument when you start spell checking someone's input.
November 19, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
B_Fwank (anonymous) says...
guidedbystewart "BTW, I would rather have an educated liberal idiot, than an uneducated conservative redneck idiot."
Thank you for proving my point, you and JimIslander.
You both continue to uphold the fine oratorical traditions of the infantile, immature, bedwetting Democrats. If you can't defeat them with ideas, break out the invectives.
November 19, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
B_Fwank,
But you are just calling out the liberals....
How about all of the above conservatives have used "invectives", but you do not call them out?
So what do you call that, are you showing favoritism or is it just plain hypocrisy.
BTW, your pedantic bombast really does not impress me.
November 19, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Fellow Posters....
Join me and the "REBEL ALLIANCE" ....I will teach you to USE the "FORCE"..!!!
November 19, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
if the atmosphere and oceans continue to warm up at their current rate, sea level will rise at least 18 inches in this century. If we increase carbon levels in the atmosphere, that could rise by several feet more. It we stop emitting now, it's still going to rise.
18 Inches of increase in sea level will eliminate tens of millions of acres of agricultural land worldwide, putting upward pressure on the cost of food and causing political disruptions.
Locally Morris Island and most of Folly Island will disappear. How much of our other coastal island will remain will come down to how much we want to pay to keep rebuilding them. Raising the entire beach by two feet, thousands of feet out into and under the Atlantic and keeping it at that level will cost a fortune.
I just visited Pensacola Beach. FEMA and the State of Florida decided to abandon miles of beachfront because rebuilding the roads, infrastructure and dunes again didn't make economic sense. Too many powerful Hurricanes, too much erosion and not enough money. You can still build your beach house out there, you'll have to get there by boat or dune buggy, bring your own water, generate your own power and you can't get flood insurance.
We can't keep pushing the Planet's limits forever. There are six billion people on the Planet now. They will push back and they outnumber us. Sending our army out to attempt to control their oil fields isn't going to be cost effective.
To survive with a decent standard of living we need to be more efficient and less wasteful. The sooner we make that adjustment, the wealthier we'll be. We shouldn't commit to more coal or nuclear plants until we exhausted our conservation and renewable efforts.
We don't have to live in the dark and the cold, we just don't need to live in an oversized leaky house ten miles from the grocery store and five miles from our children's school. We aren't going to be able to afford it.
We will make the adjustment, by choice early with more options or by miserable necessity later when we're forced to by cost.
We're already making choices. Why do you think all those big houses in Mt. Pleasant beyond Highway 41 are sitting empty? Enough people just don't have the time and money to live that way any longer.
November 19, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Some of you folks are just sad..... Good post ColdBeer! Supply and demand is a b*tch!
November 19, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PalmettoDP (anonymous) says...
Over the past two years or so, the planet has actually cooled.
At least these young activists will have a story to tell as they sit around their wood stoves several years from now.
New sources of energy cannot be wished into existence.
November 19, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PalmettoDP (anonymous) says...
I actually believe solar is the future, but there are several more years of R&D to do before it is cost competitive with conventional ways of producting electricity.
Sounds like the Hilton girl in the story doesn't even know how to read a map. The most direct route from Johnsonville to Aiken is about 3 hours, not 4.
November 19, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Been there, done that Newt.... My opinions based on true facts and not the garbage spewed forth by the ultra-enviromental wackos remains unchanged. Why do't you try getting the truth and not just believing everything the CCL vomits and see if your opinion changes.
November 19, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drkralc (anonymous) says...
It amazes me that people still believe that CO2 is the primary culprit in the "warming" of this planet. The self flagellation that occurs because of the guilt of driving to your job or being comfortable on a chilly night amuses me.
To overlook something as obvious as the Sun? Incredible! Something that is responsible for a 20 to 40 degree temperature differential EVERYDAY! I wonder when the dots will be connected for these people?
Notice that when Sun Spot activity decreases the weather is wetter and cooler?
Anthropogenic Global Warming is not happening. It's a farce concocted to line Al Gore's pockets and starve the third world. If you want something to protest; protest the UN and their blatant misuse of US Tax Dollars.
November 19, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Good post drkralc, in fact, since 2006, the average temperature of the earth has dropped 1/3 of a degree. The 1 degree increase in the last 150 years has been reduced by 33% in 2 years while China brings a new coal fired plant online at a rate of one a month. Think for yourselves people. Don't believe everything you think!
November 19, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
It is funny that people have a total disregard for science that is testable and observable, but buy into religion, which is based on faith and no proof. Sounds like flawed logic and reasoning skills to me.
November 19, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
I personally have proof of my religion and gain new proof daily. If not, I would find a new religion. If you have no proof, you may want to rethink your religion.
November 19, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charles_Town (anonymous) says...
I have to side with islandbenzbc and ColdBud on this one. People scream there are better ways to generate power, and there might be better ways in regards to the environment. My question is: "Is everyone ready to pay for the expensive new technology?" I am not talking a 1%-2% hike on your bill.. think maybe like 50%-100%. Espeically, if you want to replace all existing forms of producing energy immediately. Wonder how all these people who posted against the power industries use of coal, could have save some power by reading a printed newspaper and then hand writing a letter to the editor about their beliefs. A prime example of people not wanting to give up some convenience (reading and posting online) to express their thoughts.
November 19, 2008 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Newt, how do you consider domestic coal to have anything to do with foriegn oil? I agree that we need to plan for the use as much renewable energy as possible, but we are not in a position to abandon the cheapest producer of base load power - coal. New technology has has been developed in the coal industry and the coal plants of today are nothing compared the dirty plants of the past.
November 19, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Posters...... Lets not look like the THREE STOOGES slappin' each other when we all KNOW it is the backstabbin LAWYERS we elect to the City, County and Legislature that are bending over royally to people that are NOT looking out for US at ALL !!!!
It is the very editor of this NEWSPAPER, managers of OUR radio Stations and TV that has not informed the Citizens of New technologies that will transform OUR state. If we ran OUR Military this WAY.....Uh oh!!
Do any of you realize HOW the Cherokee County Landfill that DHEC is getting ready to permit will IMPACT OUR taxes and quality of LIFE?? OUR children's children ?? These Mafia run trash haulers are skimming record profits by actually playing the FUEL speculation Market with the Futures contracts they PURCHASE !!!! Not only that ...they are trucking and railing trash from all over and getting their CUT !!! They could care less about turning OUR trash into ENERGY to be SOLD back through the POWER grid or Closing Landfills DOWN forever!! IT is UP to US !!!! We benefit from the tax revenue and the fact that we will not have to have some DHEC person go ou to the LANDFILL and certify the Monitoring wells for years to COME!!!!
Come on Posters.....wake UP !! You KNOW who to ATTACK!!!!
November 19, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Bulldog, I do not buy into any organized religion, and I have yet to hear anyone come up any proof of their religion over any other.
If you can change my mind, more power to you, but I will probably find holes in any attempt to substantiate your beliefs as fact with relative ease.
November 19, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
I'm not out to prove anything to you, I simply said that I had personal prrof. You are free to choose your own beliefs and I will respect whatever choice you make. However, the science that I have studied has not proven anything about man-made global warming. This is coming from an environmental engineer who has studied this for 14 years. I give all scientific studies a chance, but am smart enough to see when statistics are being frabricated to promote an agenda. That is what is being done by the liberal environmentalist in regards to man-made global warming. It's that simple.
November 19, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
The people that are trying to disprove global warning have an agenda also, and they usually have the energy companies in their pockets. Global warming and climate change is not debatable, true it is difficult to draw a definite correlation, but it does not disprove it either, and most scientists will concur with this observation.
The only thing is the affects if there is a correlation, yet to me global warming makes complete logical sense, yet I can not say the same thing about religion.
November 19, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
So, in you logic, concerning global warming, what was the cause of the end of the last ice age. You know, when there were glaciers in the area we now call Kentucky? That was about 20,000 years ago. Must have been the same time that fire was discovered and the carbon emissions began. It is called, and I will say this very slowly, C-L-I-M-A-T-E C-H-A-N-G-E.... Or, as I like to call it, "The beginning of global warming." I'm sure all the people north of Tennessee are happy about that. The fact is, the earth is constantly going through changes. Man cannot change nature. Man cannot cause nature. It is as simple as that.
November 19, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
It would take a book to go into any detail about climate change, and while I do have more than an elementary knowledge about climate, I am not an expert.
Sure climate change happens naturally, yet humans have caused environmental change (including climate) throughout history, and this is consensus knowledge amongst scientist. From the dust bowl, to over farming in Africa, to swamp water intrusion in Australia, it does not take much human involvement to effect the environment. Sure, man can not cause nature, yet he can change it and lead to its detriment, and there are several observable instances throughout history where this has happened and this is fact not opinion.
November 19, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Really? I ask because I work with scientists and engineers everyday, in fact am one myself with 3 degrees in Environmental Engineering, and I don't personally know anyone that has formed this consensus that you speak of.
November 19, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
WOW! some scientist - Just one example is the dust bowl. It is well established that human plowing methods before 1930's gave rise to the loss of topsoil and the dust. After the 1930's farmers started contour plowing and there was a drastic change for the better and less loss of topsoil.
November 19, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
And this is the cause of global warming? That is all that I am debating. GBS stated that scientist have formed a consensus that humans have caused climate change. A consensus is a general agreement among the members of a given group or community. Being a member of said community and not know anyone that has bought in to this thought process, I thought that GBS must know something that I was unaware of....
November 19, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scfirefly (anonymous) says...
True, humans created the dust bowl but I thought we were talking about CO2 and Global warming.
You can't use examples of local environmental alterations as evidence of Global climate change.
Volcanoes and solar activity create climate change. Human Activity? Try Again.
November 19, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Nothing else, huh? Anything????
November 19, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
I never stated that there was a consensus of scientist stating that global warming is man made. There are the ones that are still in the pockets of energy companies and big oil that will dispute that there is no correlation.
My quote, which was more a response to Bulldog stating that
"Man can not change nature"
I stated,
"yet humans have caused environmental change (including climate) throughout history, and this is consensus knowledge amongst scientist."
Again, I stated environmental change, not global warming, and the examples were indisputable and any scientist worth his salt will not dispute that humans have had an effect on the environment.
I gave a couple of examples such as the dust bowl, salt water intrusion in wet lands and I could have gone on for days. Another example, an Urban Heat Island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_island
Simple concept of where land is hotter in urban areas because of the man made structures, such as pavement. This is fact, not opinion.
Yes, while there might not be a consensus that global warming is man made, many scientist believe that it is.
November 19, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
When stating that man cannot change nature, I meant at a global scale. Yes heat islands exist, there have been cases where freshwater flows from rivers have been restricted and saltwater has gradually moved upstream. Farming practices contributed to the dust bowl, combined with natural wind. This is not proof of man-made global warming. In fact the heat islands are not "caused" by the man-made structures, but are natural heat retained by the structures. You have still produced no proof that humans are responsible for climate change. I will tell you why - because there is no PROOF. There are theories, which can be disproven time and time again by historical data that shows natural variations in the global climate long before any industrialization. What caused the glaciers to melt in Kentucky 20,000 years ago?
November 19, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
I have one in college and their fun to watch. Especially after that first year when some loony professor tells them they can save the world by taking on these liberal views. Than God she isn't one of theses losers. She doesn't buy into the liberal BS and is a conservative leaner.
November 19, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
BulldogTLC,There is little sense in trying to have an intelligent discourse with GetSerious. He is so full of himself that he is incapable of recognizing the logic in others positions.
Why was Greenland named Greenland by the first Norse settlers?
Why is the southern polar cap increasing in size?
Is their a ratio between the damage caused by CFCs and a major vocanic eruption, to the ozone layer?
If college students are so knowledgeable about everything why are they wasting their time and (parent's) money going to school?
The snail darter, spotted owl and a few miscellaneous rats and fishes have lost their popularity as of late. What's wrong children?
November 19, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
The headline should read.."Idiots Against Affordable Energy Protest Coal Plants".
November 20, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rollo (anonymous) says...
GetSerious;
Why is there no warming in the upper ionosphere, as the MMGW computer models claim MUST happen before surface warming can take place?
It is not there, advocates of MMGW have been searching frantically for this crucial piece of missing evidence for 20 years, yet it never appears.
Without upper Ionosphere warming MMGW cannot exist, Algore knows this, and that's why he refuses to debate the subject. Same for Hansan the fraud.
If you find this piece of the puzzle, you be sure to let me know!
November 20, 2008 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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