S.C. priest clarifies anti-Obama stand

my2centsworth (anonymous) says...

If this is the case, then shame on mr. Newman. A man in a position to lead so many people ought to know better than to speak in haste, and he of all should know that the pen is mightier than the sword... Someone should disarm this individual before he ignites a firestorm of hatred and fear that Obama is costing them a ticket to heaven. This, people, is the way that extremism is born, and if you have any doubts about the consequences, look at the wars we are fighting now, and -why-.

November 17, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

amylrod (anonymous) says...

my2centsworth,

Why don't you go read my last posts with links to his letter? You are talking of something of which you know nothing about. YOU are making rash and hasty judgments.
The statement from the Diocese is like that of Peter, denying Christ. They couldn't even stand up on the side of Christ!!!! Time for the Pope to give us a Bishop.

November 17, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

Just another tax exempt cult getting involved in things it should not be involved in. Enjoy your church, believe in your beliefs... I hope they bring you happiness. I don't care what side of the abortion debate the cult stands for, stop trying to make your religious beliefs the law of the land.

I'd be curious to hear Rev. Jay Scott Newman's stance on how child molesters and sexual predators should be treated.

November 17, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BigSargeofSC (anonymous) says...

And what about the baby's choice? Or does the unborn child not have a say?

I am not a Cathloic, but I say well done, Father, for standing your ground.

November 17, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

amylrod (anonymous) says...

Newt,

Your soul, your eternity. The murdered babies are with God, They suffered the baptism of the blood and their blood cries out for justice from God. Remember, the Lord comes like "a thief in the night," and eternity is forever. Conversion is what is asked of us, one heart at a time.

Peace!

November 17, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

amylrod (anonymous) says...

Coldbeer,

You know nothing about the Catholic Church. Why not research it instead of making absurd, ignorant statements.

The saying, "one rotten apple spoils the bunch" is unfortunately, all too true a saying, because people will associate the bad behavior of some and condemn every one who is associated with them. We see that with priests accused of sexual molestation. One has to look at the individual and not put a label branding all priests as being sexually deviants.

They will answer for their crimes if they haven't already, and the Church has taken furthers steps to screen applicants to the priesthood. And yes, this is a black mark on the Church, but it is also wrong for people to make assumptions that ALL priests are pedophiles. And it is also morally wrong, a sin against the 5th and 8th commandment to make false accusations, or ruin someone's good name by destroying their name.

And instead of cursing those you do not know, have you ever thought of praying for them?

Peace!

November 17, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

amylrod, reading comprehension is a great thing, you should try it some time.

Which portion of my statement do you consider to be absurd and ignorant? I never once stated that all priests were sexually deviants. I simply stated that I'd like to hear his opinion on how child molesters and sexual predators should be treated. In my opinion, the catholic church makes a big splash about everything they think everyone else is doing wrong, yet they fail to adequately address the very real and serious issues they have within the church. "One rotten apple"??? Do you really think that phrase applies when so many cases of sex abuse have come to light in the catholic church?

Cursing? You found a curse in my post? Two words... reading glasses.

You also must not understand that your ten commandments don't mean anything at all to those that do not share your religious beliefs. It appears that you also fail to understand that, as a person that doesn't give a crap about religion, it's not possible for me to sin. Sin is a religious concept that applies only to religious people. I have never sinned.

There is nothing morally wrong with my statements. I made no implication that Rev. Jay Scott Newman was in any way associated with pedophiles. I simply stated that one should make sure their own house is clean before they start complaining about how dirty another's house might be.

Pray? To who? For what? There are only two gods... the God of Beer and the God of Thunder and Rock and Roll. The God of Beer oversees cold beer and good fishing. The God of Thunder and Rock and Roll oversees good music and great entertainment. Neither of them could care less about religious cults. You can spend your time praying to mythical creatures and beings if you like... as for me and my house... we'll live good, clean, moral, ethical and fun lives!

November 17, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

Newt, why such anger and hostility towards a god you dont believe in? Many of your posts in this thread and others in he past show great bitterness towards christians and religion.

Do you blame god for something? Something you think he has done to you are a loved one? Rhetorical question - dont really care for an answer.

Many evils are done in god's name, that doesnt mean that god condones the evil.

My body my choice, what a joke. Government tells you what you can do everyday with your body.

Newt
"They keep making statements like this from the alter/pulpit they could potentially loose their not-for-profit standing."

What about the many black churchs that openly supported democrat candidates from the pulpit? Is there a double standard?

November 17, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tmsfits (anonymous) says...

Send the IRS right down there just as quickly as possible and start filling out the tax forms...the minute the church gets involved in politics, they lose their tax exempt status and it's time we began enforcing that. For too long now the churches have been involved in the political arena and we've turned a blind eye to it...preach what you want within your church, but keep your views out of the law making process.

November 17, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

Posted by ColdBud on November 17, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just another tax exempt cult getting involved in things it should not be involved in. Enjoy your church, believe in your beliefs... I hope they bring you happiness. I don't care what side of the abortion debate the cult stands for, stop trying to make your religious beliefs the law of the land.
--------
Excellent post.

November 17, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

Coldbud - "...as for me and my house... we'll live good, clean, moral, ethical and fun lives!"

Interesting post. A few questions;

1. What do you base your "morals" on?
2. Is there right and wrong?
3. Is there good and evil?
4. If there is no god, and only secular humanism, who is to say what is evil or wrong?
5. If I base my set of values on something that you believe is wrong or evil, who's values are correct?
6. On what does a moral society base its laws?

just curious. as always, I enjoy your posts and responces.

November 17, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

tmsfits "Send the IRS right down there just as quickly as possible and start filling out the tax forms...the minute the church gets involved in politics, they lose their tax exempt status"

Agreed!
What about the many black churchs that openly supported democrat candidates from the pulpit? Is there a double standard?

November 17, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

My_Opinion (anonymous) says...

Newt---- I agree... your body, your choice, my body, my choice. well said.

November 17, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

One thing that I don't understand is people who will base their decision on one issue. Any politician can claim to be pro-life, but can have a totally horrid stance on so many other issues. Yet there are people who will vote for them anyway. I don't get it.

Personally, I don't like abortion. I think it would be nice if abortion was only used in cases of rape, incest, or if it's to save mom's life. If we want to create conditions as such where abortion is rare, we need to get serious about education with regards to birth control. Having said that, I still believe that it should remain a private matter between a woman and her doctor. I don't believe that the State has any business other than ensuring medical safety standards.

November 17, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...

The Catholic Church went to a great deal of effort to draft a statement about how Catholics should vote prior to the election. It was a long complex document which cautioned against single issue voting. This was approved by nearly all the Bishops in the United States and cleared by their legal department. Now that the election is over, they're debating it again.

Hundreds of thousands of Dollars and long, complex deliberations produced documents addressing an important issue which nearly all the bishops approve of, but SC gets tarred because someone didn't bother to check the Church Website before writing up something on who could get communion. This was all over CNN on Sunday.

I can't find anything official online which supports this Priest's position regarding voting and access to communion. It's pretty clear the Church expects Catholics to consider pro-life issues in their voting, but it's also clear that includes consideration of the death penalty and world peace issues, not just Abortion.

It all seems pretty complicated and a quick look around the Church websites would have made that pretty clear. The issue of what political acts would bar someone from communion has come up a lot and there's a good bit of material on it.

Once more through the mud for South Carolina. There's clearly an anti-Christian backlash building up here. A less authoritarian more Christ like approach to engaging people would probably work better.

November 17, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dhshjh (anonymous) says...

Please get off the "my body" kick. The government still tells you what you can and can't do with your body. If I can KILL a living being in my body, then why can't I do drugs? As long as I am not hurting anyone else and I stay at home, I should be able to do all the drugs, drinking and smoking I want. My body, right.

As far as religion, I agree with amylrod. I'm sorry that the Diocese of Charleston didn't stand up for him.

Coldbud & Newt.. No one is telling you to listen to our beliefs. This was done in the church and for the people that are in this church, that are supposed to believe as he does. It wasn't posted to outsiders that don't. I don't even see why it is in the news. It is really no ones business but the church, if you are not a believer then don't worry about it, and if a believer was insulted then they need to search their heart and decide what they think is wrong or right.

The church has every right to teach what they believe, that is what it is for. If you do not believe, you do not have to go to that church. All churches are not cults. Maybe you need to go and find out what it is before you start bashing it.

I used to be a Catholic and now I have moved to a different church, but they all have the basic same beliefs.

I think the Catholic church is a little too hard on people since it is God that needs to forgive, not the priest. Now I have found a church I can relate better too. But the basics are the same. And like I said if you don't go there then what are you worrying about. No one is telling "YOU" what to do.

Simplymad.. Good post to Coldbud. I would like to know the answers to those questions as well. If they don't have a Godly law to go by, then who is right and who is wrong. Maybe some people think is OK to steal and murder, so why should the ones that don't think it is OK be the correct ones.

November 17, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Weeeee (anonymous) says...

I tend to think that common sense weighs heavily in the battle of good and evil. I'm sure people don't need organized religion to live full fruitful lives. Seriously though. You need religion to tell you murder is wrong? I think you need more help than what a priest or a book can give you. You need some psychotherapy and drugs from a qualified dr.

I do realize it all comes down to choice. And that's why I'm still pro-choice (and yes I'm a Republitard). Even being pro-choice, you'd still have to accept responsibility. I'm not talking about people using abortion as a means of birth control. Those people should be sterilized.

For the record, I'm not religious. I have too many unanswered questions and doubts to blindly believe and have faith in any religion (including the religion I was baptized in).

November 17, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

Newt, European countries do just that. They educate people about birth control and make it available to anyone who needs it. (free of charge) The abortion rates in most Western European nations are a fraction of those here.

I think that most people don't like abortion. I know that I don't, but I think that for many women it's seen as an option of last resort. The pro-life movement would have people believe that an abortion is a decision a woman makes at the drop of a hat, but nothing could be further from the truth. There are many women who later have regrets, or who don't want it to begin with, but have no means of financially supporting a child and see no other alternative. For me the issue is medical privacy and a woman having an abortion as an option.

November 17, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dhshjh (anonymous) says...

I don't want to pump my body full of anything. Just a question since you seem to think you should be able to do what you want with your body.

I don't think my beliefs should apply to you. You do what you want. But don't bash my religion because I don't believe what you do.

As far as "unwanted pregnancy", that is what are "freedom" is causing to happen. Because people like you say it is OK to have sex without marriage. So now we have to fix the problem. We need to go back to the old values. Not keep making new ones. That's why are world is in such a mess.

November 17, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dhshjh (anonymous) says...

Sorry, I meant "our" freedom. (Don't want someone correcting my english on top of everything else.)

November 17, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

amylrod (anonymous) says...

Newt,

The Church is perfect; the people are not.
Matthew Bunson wrote a good description of this on EWTN (9-30-2006)

"History shows us that the past is replete with examples of worse moments and disasters. In the Middle Ages, the Church faced severe problems: moral decadence, corruption (including simony, laxity, the peddling of indulgences, obsession with money, and the seeking of temporal gain), the poor example set by the so-called Renaissance popes (Sixtus IV, Alexander VI, Julius II, and Leo X), and the vice displayed by princely bishops. Among priests, celibacy was ignored and severe doctrinal irregularities were commonplace. Exacerbating the situation was the institutionalized nature of the corruption and the close identification of the Church in many countries with the crown, thus giving the hierarchy little incentive to promote reform or constructive change.

What assisted the Church in overcoming these difficulties was the same burst of hope that is so needed today an authentic spiritual reform.

The reform of the medieval Church was already well under way before Luther began the Protestant Reformation. From the efforts of the Brethren of the Common Life, St. Catherine of Siena, Nicholas of Cusa, and Christian humanists such as Erasmus, the demand for change was considerable. When their calls were given direction and the full weight of the Holy See starting with Pope Paul III (who convoked the Council of Trent), the way was set for the Catholic Reform. What followed was one of the greatest eras in Church history, marked by the genuine revitalization of the Church in virtually every sphere."

We have free will, we are free to choose to behave the way we do - meaning all of us choose to behave the way we do, good or bad, or both.

Coldbud, (sorry for calling your Coldbeer) you implied that our church is a cult. IT is NOT! Tell me why you believe it is a cult.

You did not refer to Father Newman being a pedophile, but since you brought up the subject of pedophilia, I chose to speak of it as I assumed many would associate the priests with this abomination. I apologize now for implying that you would.

Sorry I implied you cursed.

And for those who think his church should lose it's tax status, you are wrong again. He never preached politics, never named names from the pulpit. He wrote what he wrote after the election. Every church has a responsibility to teach. If you are a parent, do you teach your children right from wrong?

Pray to who? Everyone needs prayer. The world needs prayer. Pray for your enemies. If I am your enemy, then pray for me.

Pure and simple - If one is a Catholic, they cannot be pro-abortion. They are only Catholic by name, for they excommunicate themselves if they support and vote for pro-choice candidates.

Peace!

November 17, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

scconservative (anonymous) says...

I did find a gem in this discussion worth a comment, non-profit tax exemption. IMHO, the entire spectrum of non-profit designation is past due for reform for all claiments; churches, unions, trust, PACs and so on. First step should be complete anullment of all tax exemptions. The illegal, even criminal funding in the 11/4 election is also in need of a thorough audit.

November 17, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

GetSerious
"This article is not about black church's versus white church's you pig."

As usual, you just jump in and post your deluded insults before reading. you seem to be the village idiot.

I was asking Newt, about the double standard, after several posters brought up the tax exempt status of churchs that involve themselves in political issues.

But, like usual, your only input is insults and attacks, because you are weak minded.

Anyone that clicks on your name, (what, your 6th persona now TP/DTMB/Kling...) can follow the trail of trolling that you do from topic to topic, jumping in with insults and wild acusations.

Now go tell mommy you have been a bad boy again.

November 17, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

dhshjh, you are correct in stating that this was an inter-church thing and it should have stayed that way. I have no problem with a church saying what ever it wants to the people that voluntarily attend that church. This should not be news.

SimplyMad, in my opinion, society, as a whole, defines what good values, morals and ethical behavior are. They all existed before whoever wrote the bible wrote it, and they'll all be here long after the bible is gone. One doesn't have to be religious to know that murder, thievery and such are criminal in behavior and one doesn't have to be religious to know that laziness, jealousy and such are poor qualities. If society as a whole accepts any certain behavior as good behavior, than so be it.

November 17, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

With over one billion Roman Catholics worldwide, you are going to see a lot of scumbags. In fact, it's amazing there aren't more. Think about it. If only 5% of RC's are phonies who don't really believe in God or the teachings of Jesus Christ, that is still FIFTY MILLION scumbags making the others look bad. That really is an irrelevant argument. But this should be a non-issue. This is America, we vote. If the majority of Americans see no difference between abortion and putting a bullet thru someone's head, then it will become outlawed. Look, I think Obama will be a horrendous president, BUT the people voted, so he is President. I can accept opposing views. I can accept this man being "forced" on me by the people's vote. Who has the open mind here? Who believes in freedom of speech here? Let the priest speak. If you claim to believe the Bible is the Word of God, Psalm 139 is blatant about who is the author of all human life. You can't have it both ways. I can respect an atheist being pro-choice, but if you call yourself a Christian, that's another story. There is no such thing as a pro-choice Christian.

November 17, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dhshjh (anonymous) says...

newt.. No one said you can't post. You are right you have the freedom of choice. But so do I so I can agree to diagree with you.

I never said anything about morals and values, people make mistakes. As far as Sarah Palin's daughter, she is not the only one to have a child out of wedlock. It just didn't use to be as common as it is now. They also took responsibility years ago, had the baby and raised it or gave it up for adoption. They did not kill it because they just didn't want it. And yes even in those times there were illegal abortions. My point is that it has gotten way out of hand, and like it or not, people are using it as birth control. I was at the flea market one day and overheard a pregnant woman say that if it wasn't a boy she would abort it and try again.
No unless it is a medical emergency I do not believe in abortion.

November 17, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

Coldbud, I agree that society sets many moral/ethical standings/beliefs. However, there are many societies that believed the sacrifice of human babies (Mayans & Aztecs) promoted the growth of crops. So in that society, murder was perfectly fine and even required.

Barbarians (Vandals for one group) believed there was nothing wrong with going village to village and stealing, raping and so on.

At some point, there has to be a set of moral values based on a universal understanding of evil, or what is right and wrong or you get events like Rwanda, DR Congo, genocide...

On another note, did anyone take my post about the double standard about tex-exempt status as a racial issue? Or is it just the delusional psychotic getserioumentalhelp?

getserious - you're a bitter troll whose only intention is to incite and stir up trouble - I believe those are the exact words I used many times in the past to point out to your many deleted personas, how you operate. Again, anyone can click on your name and read your posts to prove my point.

Comments by GetSerious
Posted on November 17 at 9:58 a.m.
Palmerh- you're a dirtbag mother sucker.

Posted on November 15 at 5:22 p.m.
observations compiled while trying to process all the big words used by yird today...(hey yird, my cousin is retarded too, so I know how you feel. Just keep working at it)

Posted on November 14 at 6:07 p.m.

CB- now you're advocating separate but equal? You should change your username to Jim Crow.
Posted on November 11 at 8:20 p.m.

P.S. hey yird, what school did you attend? You should consider F.U., you jerk. Quit being a troll dude

November 17, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

3olivesmike (anonymous) says...

Toward the end of the 2004 pres election Bishop Baker of the Charleston Catholic Diocese (which covers all of SC)said he would have to deny Communion to the Dem candidate, John Kerry, who is a Catholic. Baker has moved on. There is no Bishop in Charleston at this time but there is an administrator or "interim" Bishop if you will. Monsignor Newman was clearly out of order in what he told his parish as a decision at that level rests with the diocese (Bishop or whomever is acting as Bishop). It is an internal Church matter. In Newman's defense his only mistake was assuming a role not his in Church organization. I can see how he may have come to his opinion given the former Bishop's stance. Why this thread has become a religion-bashing, race-baiting, pile of garbage is beyond my comprehension. The subject of the "Upstate SC Priest" is a lively subject on many blogs throughout the country but only on this one have I seen rank ugliness and ignorance.

November 17, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lightedway (anonymous) says...

Has everyone is the world REALLY LOST THEIR MINDS !! !!

For everyone that posted a comment concerning this article or just the issue-

Have we all forgotten no matter what you believe in,
God Still LOVES you - whether you belive in him or not... And for individuals who think their beliefs are the dovote, think of this- Practice what you PREACH- ONE THING PEOPLE FAIL TO RELIZE WHEN IT COMES TO THE "CHURCH" Meaning ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEF- WE ARE BUT SHEEP IN GODS FLOCK, NO ONE MAN OR PRIEST IS GOD, and more and more I see people talking as if they ARE GOD and they have the ability or power to decide to tell someone whether or not they are going to hell or heaven- this is ludacris- ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE YOU !! _WE ARE ALL BORN IN THE WOMB WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG_ WE ARE GIVEN FREE WILL OF CHOICE AND FOR OUR CHOICES IN "OUR" OWN LIVES WE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, NOT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE WANTS OR THINKS IS RIGHT" ITS ONLY YOUR HEART AND GOD IN THE END"

and if you don't believe in the known "GOD" I'm sorry -
*I BET IF YOU WERE HANGING OFF THE SIDE OF A SKYSCRAPER BOUT TO FALL, YOUR GONA SCREAM "OH GOD< OH GOD HELP ME! ! NOT OH ATHEIST-Hopefully DIVINE INTERVENTION WILL SAVE YOU~ But I think this is but your choice, if the lord wants you to be found he will shine his light, and you shall be found.
everyone has a path in life that the lord has set out for them whether you belive in him or not.
& in the end there can be only
ONE GOD, ONE HEART, ONE LOVE~

November 17, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

tmsfits "Send the IRS right down there just as quickly as possible and start filling out the tax forms...the minute the church gets involved in politics, they lose their tax exempt status"

hence my response;

Agreed!
What about the many black churches that openly supported democrat candidates from the pulpit? Is there a double standard?

This is a valid question, politicians from Bill & Hillary Clinton, to John Kerry, to Obama, as well as the pastors themselves in many black churches used the pulpit for political gain.

Yet, no one pointed it out, Why? for the same reason that you just demonstrated, fear of being labeled a racist. That is how the left operate, stifle debate and truth by labeling the opposition to instill fear and shut them up.

Please spare me your self-promoting BS, you are the one trying to incite trouble.

November 17, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

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November 17, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blackwoman (anonymous) says...

The hippocracy of the catholic church is comical! Good thing not every parishioner who heard of the pedophile scandal which has plaqued the church abandon their commitment!

November 17, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

Posted by GetSerious on November 17, 2008 at 1 p.m.:
CB said gays should have separate but equal right to marry, hence my response.

That's not true at all. Go back and read my post again GetSerious. What I posted was a comment my wife made (clearly stated in the post) when I mentioned the article to her. She was being sarcastically humorous and it's pretty easy to tell that if you actually read the post. You'll notice that her joke included homosexuals getting "fairied" instead of married.

November 17, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

lightedway, what you're telling me is that your god is a homosexual??? He may love me, but the next time you "talk" to him, please let him know I'm a married man and I don't swing that way.

As far as only your god passing judgment... wrong-o. I do hereby judge you to be a religious nut job whacko! If I'm wrong, may your god strike me down the very instance!!!!

Hmmm... guess not.

As for the rest of your post, baloney. And no, I'm not an atheist.

November 17, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

3olivesmike (anonymous) says...

Blackwoman:
Have you abandoned your sense of fairness already? You said on the day before the election "I have Muslim friends and none of them are extremists." Well I was taught by priests and I have Catholic priest (and other clergy)friends and none of them are pedophiles.

November 17, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

Newt, race was not the main issue of my question. I was attempting to make the point that there is a double standard when it comes to mixing politics and religion in the pulpit.

And, IMHO, it appears as though the churches that are majority black, do not get any negative focus by the media about their 501c3 tax status.

I am not "intolerant' to the gay and lesbian community. I am opposed to their overall agenda. I dont have anything against anyone individual gay or lesbian. As stated in my posts, I looked at the legal aspects of same-sex marriage.

Your past posts have put you into a sub-sect of intolerant posters that seem to be very angry and bitter towards religious posters.

And I choose SimplyMad, because IMHO, the choice of a marxist as president was simply insane!

I am not sure about what you mean by bumped off...Have a nice day.

November 17, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

Newt, how about being consistent, take a look at getserious's posts. lmao, you leftist ilk do tend to have blinders on. That helps when you want to see things your way.

November 17, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Test2007 (anonymous) says...

Yep, the race baiters are out in full force!

"What about the many black churches that openly supported democrat candidates from the pulpit? Is there a double standard? This is a valid question, politicians from Bill & Hillary Clinton, to John Kerry, to Obama, as well as the pastors themselves in many black churches used the pulpit for political gain."

Which churches are these????? Please give me some names since you are an expert on the black church. Where did you get your info? Did you attend many black churches to find this out? Stop talking about crap you know NOTHING about. I agree with all who said it before, any church who endorses ANY candidate or DENOUNCES any candidate should lose their tax exempt status. That being said I personally know of some "black" church officials, bishops and such, that sent out memos trying to get their congregation to vote for Lindsey Graham. They didn't do it from the pulpit but I still don't like it either way. The issue at hand is religion as a WHOLE and how people use it in politics or vice versa. Stop slicing and dicing and get back on topic.

November 17, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Now, explain to me, where I can understand, the moral justification for any society to slaughter its own innocent young by the millions each year. Some historical models and success stories supporting this policy would certainly help. Please cite the learned figures of the past who have advocated this approach to the civilized betterment of all. To err on the side of infanticide seems foolish to me when I can find no other successful sustaining culture or movement or history to support this policy. I do know that God abhors the shedding of innocent blood. What do you know.

November 17, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

Politics, race, abortion and religion... throw in a couple of sports teams to argue about and we'll have covered all of the bases...

November 17, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

theronce, I'm not interested in debating abortion today, but I'll give you one thought to ponder:

Every past society has failed at one point or another. Basing what our society attempts to do based on what they did, or did not do, may not be that great of an idea. I'm not supporting abortion, just making an observation. In my personal opinion, it's a shame and a tragedy that people even need to seek out abortions. I hope the need dissappears one day. I do not think government regulation is the right way to fix the problem though.

November 17, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

The Catholic church may do some good in running clinics and orphanages around the world, but I have a major problem with their views not just on abortion, but on birth control. How can they still be against the use of contraceptives in nations where people are starving to death because they can't feed everyone?

November 17, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flinsc (anonymous) says...

Newt, what if your mom used the coat hanger on you?

November 17, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

GetSerious: The neoconservatives are finished. They have done this to themselves and a side of me feels bad for conservatives within the Republican Party who were pushed aside for not walking in lock-step with Bush/Cheney. In my opinion they have destroyed the GOP. I still consider myself a conservative, but I'm a Goldwater/Rand/Friedman conservative and always have been.

I waited in line 3 1/2 hours to vote and one thing that I noticed was all the young people waiting in line. I've been voting since 1996 when I turned 18 and have never seen so many in my age range show up at the polls. People in my generation 18-35 voted 2/3 for Obama nationwide. Many of these were first-time voters who, prior to Bush, had not paid very close attention to politics. They weren't involved in the political arena then, but they are now. How long do you think it will be before this new voting bloc will ever trust the GOP to vote for them?

Thanks to the neocon movement, there is a sizeable portion of the younger generation who is turned off to the GOP.

November 17, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flinsc (anonymous) says...

Maybe the methods didn't work Newt.

November 17, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

Everyone's political beliefs are influenced by others. Whether it's a religious figure, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, or whether its Oprah Winfrey, Ted Nugent, the so-called media, or their family and friends, or a guy down the street named Bob doesn't matter. True, on election day, you decide for yourself who to vote for, but don't fool yourself, everyone is influenced to some extent, by someone. It is very unamerican to say people should not be able to state religious beliefs in a political discussion. Freedom of speech means freedom for ALL speech regardless of where it comes from.

November 17, 2008 at 5:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lovely_One (anonymous) says...

Posted by greyrider, "Everyone's political beliefs are influenced by others."

One of the best posts of the day!!! Thanks so much for this one. You said what I have been thinking as I was reading these "discussions".

November 17, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CedarPosts (anonymous) says...

Anyone else think the diet ad that is running here on the Post and Courier on line edition is just a little tacky?

November 17, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ironhorse (anonymous) says...

Newt is a drug user with a disabled child.

2+2=4

November 17, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

Posted by GetSerious on November 17, 2008 at 3:35 p.m.:
Yet not a word from any of the usual suspects on this article from today's paper:

The article you referenced was from yesterday's paper, which might be why none of us are posting on it today. I sometimes read and post on the weekends, but not too often.

November 17, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Oh, so little understanding in so many words, not the answer but a contrary reply...not a sustained successful policy. Government funded, enabled, and unrestricted infanticide is government regulation.

November 18, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SimplyMad (anonymous) says...

ironhorse, that is completly freakin un called for. dude, that crosses the line by far. Judging by your post ironhorse, calling you disabled would be an insult to newt's child.

Sorry newt, you dont deserve that.

November 18, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )