Rights group to rally

Posted by KidYendor on November 14, 2008 at 12:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When will there be a nationwide event by heterosexuals in support of California's ban of gay marriage? How can the gays march in Charleston when the heterosexuals can't march on St. Patrick's Day? We straight people support California's decision and we want to march too.

Posted by NativeSon on November 14, 2008 at 4:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This group is obviously in-your-face heterophobic, morally depraved misfits! A product of a democrap controlled public education system.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 5:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

175 cities at the same time and if you add up the number of protestors in all of those cities they still won't equal the number of people in California that voted for the ban on homosexual marriage.

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 6:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"rights group?"

LOL, and the kicker;

Why did blacks back Prop. 8? It's a minefield
10:25 AM, November 8, 2008
With exit polls showing up to 70% of black voters backing Prop. 8, there has been much discussion about why. Some have noted an irony of Barack Obama voters backing a ballot measure some consider discriminatory. The Times' Cara Mia DiMassa delved in this minefield and came out with some answers:

"I was born black. I can't change that," said Culver City resident Bilson Davis, 57, who voted for Proposition 8. "They weren't born gay; they chose it," he added, reflecting a commonly held belief that many researchers dispute.

Los Angeles resident Christopher Hill, 50, said he was motivated by religion in supporting Proposition 8. Civil rights, he said, "are about getting a job, employment."

Gay marriage, he said, is not: "It's an abomination against God."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...

Posted by moonpie on November 14, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ditto that CB, excellent point. This is a small number of the population that gets a lot of news time. This has been defeated over and over and some liberal judge ends up allowing it back on the ballot. Its been defeated over whelmingly so give it up. The people have spoken. We don't have to except your life style, we don't want your life style shoved in our face (no pun intended)!
Wake up America, God destroyed a city for this same thing. There is no trace of it even existing except what was written about it! Lets go down and protest them.

Posted by lou9 on November 14, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These people are protesting here about something that happened in California, the land of nuts and flakes? Nobody here cares about what goes on over there, and they don't care about your stupid protest. The majority of voters in both California and South Carolina have spoken and said they don't want gay marriage. Why the media thinks this is news is a mystery to me.

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Truth be told: For those of you out there that really, really, really can not accept homosexuals and lesbians as equal citizens in this country keep in mind the following:

- They provide services, of all forms, that help to make our lives easier and communities more effective.

- Some gay people are devout "Christians".

- Gay people buy things; like food, gas, cleaning products. They pay the same sales taxes. They help our economy.

- Some are soldiers fighting for all of us. Some are returned veterans with physical and emotional damage that we must heal. Some died for us in a foreign land.

- Some gay people are parents. ALL are sons, daughters and grandchildren.

Honestly, what's up with the hate people? If you need to hate someone go with Bin Laden first.

So why is there such a big problem with "equal benefits under the law?" A word? Marriage. I have observed, at every wedding I have attended, 3 people signing a license, issued by the County, to be returned to a Judge and filed in the public record. Religious organization are free to refuse to marry anyone they choose. Couples are free to marry in many ways - but it don't count without that license. Should gay and lesbian citizens be prevented from getting gun permits? Drivers licenses? Hunting & fishing licenses?

Perhaps if we can all give each other a hand instead of a slap we could get our country back on the road again. The money raised to pass Prop. 8 is shameful and could have been used to pay for the many children in this country without insurance.

As to the right to peacefully demonstrate: If y'all with equal rights under the law would like to protest giving all citizens the same benefits under the law - go ahead.

The media thinks this is news the same way they thought the Civil Rights protests of the 60's were news. Our country's constitution requires all of it's citizens the same rights - not the will of the Majority over Minorities.

Maybe during the next election cycle we can vote marriage out of the governments hands. No more special rights for heterosexuals who love and commit to one another.

Where's y'alls outrage over the 50/50 chance that heterosexual marriages will end in divorce. It seems to me that most of the bigoted comments here would rather not deal with the true threat to marriage ~ heterosexuals who can't keep it in their pants or honor the words "till death do you part."

Posted by ironhorse on November 14, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Steve,

Straight men and gay men have the SAME right: both can marry a woman.

You can't plug a lamp in to a lamp!

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea, they marry a woman, have children, live a lie and destroy their family and themselves in the process. Perfect logic.

You can't plug a lamp into a lamp but you can learn that all human beings deserve the right to love the person of their choosing.

Posted by 5thGenerationLocal on November 14, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just do not want a mockery made of my marriage to my wife. If they would agree to call it a union, and not a marriage, I would almost be ok with gays unionizing. My fear are the innocent children brought up in a gay household. Not that there aren't bad hetero households out there. The kids will be victimized later on in life for having 2 mommies or daddies.

"Can't plug a lamp into a lamp." That is awesome.

Posted by geaux on November 14, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

- Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No one is mocking your marriage. Your wife will receive Social Security benefits when you kick the can. She will have a right to your inheritance. She will be respected as your partner.

As to children being victimized ~ just who will be victimizing them? Bigots, fear mongers and haters.

As to the lamp issue, I find it immature to worry about what goes on below other people's belly buttons. I do worry about how much education and oxygen gets to some people's brains.

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

... and lest all of y'all forget: based on words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.”

I guess it's time to vote on heterosexuals marriage rights & most importantly the Local, State and Federal benefits that go with "marriage.

Posted by Tides on November 14, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are those who want people to believe homosexuality is normal. Jesus tells us what is normal. And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them 'male and female', and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?' So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate" (Matthew 19:4-6).

Posted by Tides on November 14, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Homosexuals are condemned to hell.

God, through Paul, makes it clear those who practice homosexuality will not go to heaven. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). The word for "homosexuals" comes from the Greek phrase which means "men having sexual relations." For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due (Romans 1:26,27). Note the words Paul uses in this passage: "vile," "against nature," "shameful," "error." These are not words of approval. In the context, Paul is discussing the unrighteousness of the Gentiles (Romans 1:18). But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine (1 Timothy 1:8-10). In verse 10, Paul mentions the "sodomite." This is the same Greek word that is used in 1 Corinthians 6:9 translated "homosexual."

All of these passages show us the way God views this practice. It is not approved, but condemned.

CAN THE HOMOSEXUAL BE SAVED?

God loves all people and wants all to be saved (John 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:4). The homosexual can be saved the same way any other sinner can be saved. They must repent and be baptized (Acts 17:30; Acts 22:16).

Then, the practice must be stopped! And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, homosexual couples cannot have children. Yes, in some states, they can adopt, foster or surrogate, but they can't have children. They can't extend "their" family in the same way that a normal couple can.

I'm not commenting the article when I say that, just commenting on your analogy.

As far as homosexual marriage goes... I think in order to form an intelligent decision on that topic one must first define "marriage". I still struggle with that definition. I think marriage started off as a religious thing and I’m not a religious person. Regardless of how it started, it has become an institution in its self and has always been a union between one man and one woman.

As far as "rights" go... in reviewing the Bill of Rights, I see no rights being violated.

I cannot tell you why, but for some reason it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. I won't attribute that fact to any god as I'm not a religious person, but it IS a fact. It takes a man and a woman to have a baby. Period, end of story. I use that (and the fact that my mind cannot conceive one person finding another person of the same sex attractive in an intimate way) as a basis in deciding in my own mind that intimate relationships such as marriage and sexual relationships are supposed to be between a man and a woman.

BUT… do I think that a homosexual couple should receive the same tax benefits and other legal and governmental privileges that a normal couple does? My inclination is to say yes, that should be the same. So I have a conflict of sorts.

This is an issue I struggle with. If asked to vote, I’d vote against same sex marriage.

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard that EvilGenius and yird are heading up the gay rally here. They have finally come out of the closet. Keep up the good work, guys!

"you can't plug a lamp into a lamp"

Wise words indeed. What does that even mean? lol

Gays don't bother me, let them do their thing. I don't see how it affects other people in such a way that warrants hateful rants on this board.

But serious up, I'm not very well-informed on the marriage issue. Is it a principle thing, or are there financial benefits for gay couples if they're allowed to marry?

Posted by wjhamilton3 on November 14, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you get the required permits, you can hold a rally of your own at Liberty Square. The name wouldn't mean much if you couldn't. Charleston needs more protests.

A lot of gay people do enter heterosexual, traditional marriages in Charleston, often with a big church wedding with all the trimmings. In some families, inheriting the family property under a trust or will requires the birth of children. The pressure to preserve the family in pretty fierce in our our area. These marriages go forward with various levels of success. Often, after the children are born, the relationship with the wife withers while there is an affair with a same sex partner. Sometimes everyone accepts this. Divorce comes along after the inheritance or when the parents have passed on. People live compromises to meet needs. Some of these marriages last a lifetime and produce good, productive citizens as offspring. Some are disasters of recrimination. An arrangement that looks fine at age 25 may look very different at 40.

I'm not sure many people would say such an arrangement really meets the Biblical standard of marriage, but it gets another generation of the family in play, keeps the property together and keeps up appearances at the Yacht Club and Church. To some people that is very important.

The real question is it that in everyone's best interests over the long haul. It varies from case to case and can be hard to tell.

Posted by geaux on November 14, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does this debate have to do with god?

This is about a government stripping a minority group of its rights.

Your god may not like gays and wants them in hell, but good thing he isn't or at least shouldn't be part of our government. This debate is likely here to stay in future elections.

Posted by mkris on November 14, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All this BS about Jesus and Paul --
The New Testament was a compilation of the 1st century church, nothing more. Why not the Gospel of Thomas, or the Gospel of Mary... It served the political needs of late roman empire. But what really gets me is the quotes and choices are all from a translation of the 16th century.

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Those of you with such hate in your hearts will never enter the Kingdom of your God's Heaven.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

steve, from what I've heard of heaven, it's not a place I'd want to be. I'd take the North Charleston depicted in Brian Hicks' article this morning over that heaven any day of the week.

Newt, I can't answer all of your questions. I already pointed out that it's a topic I struggle with. I feel that legally, as far as wills, taxes, inherences and such, homosexual couples should be in the same boat as normal couples. I'm just not ready to change the institution of marriage to include homosexual couples. Why? Well, why are black and silver my favorite colors? I can't say why. It's just how I feel. “I was born this way”.

While I'm sure that a homosexual couple can raise a child, provide for that child and love that child, children were meant to be raised by a man and a woman. That is why it takes a man and a woman to make a child. Yes, there are many abused neglected, unwanted children that would be better off with a homosexual couple than they are now, I agree with that. As I said, it's a complex issue.

Posted by steve on November 14, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"children were meant to be raised by a man and a woman." Yea tell that to all the children raised by single parents.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI steve, my mom and dad divorced while I was still a child. That doesn't change my statement. Yes a woman can raise a child. Yes a man can raise a child. That doesn't mean that a single parent is the way it's supposed to be.

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

simply put, homosexual couples cannot naturally reproduce or propagate the species.

If one does not the Bible's teachings, or for that matter the Koran (which also is against homosexual relations) then one should consider the basic fact of evolution and survival of the fittest.

Homosexuals are unable to sustain the human species in a natural means. Therefore, if being "born" that way is excepted as normal, at some point, without the help of science or artificial assistance, (or indoctrination of young children) homosexuals would become extinct.

Marriage, is not a "civil right" and by federal law, signed by Bill Clinton, is defined as between 1 man and 1 woman.

If homosexuals have a "right" to marry, then bigamists should also have the right to marry in the way they believe is "normal"

I could care less what one does in their bedrooms. Just don’t tell me that I have to teach my kids its normal behavior. And there is nothing "hateful" about most people that do not except homosexuals as normal or except homosexual marriage as normal.

The "HATE" label is nothing more than a politically correct term for trying to stifle opposition and open debate.

Looks to me as though newt "hates" a majority of American people that except the Bible as God's Word.

And the "gay" protesters in CA have demonstrated true hatred by their actions.

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ColdBud "Well, why are black and silver my favorite colors?"

Because your an Oakland Raider fan!

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If it doesn't affect you directly, why waste time and energy opposing this issue? It doesn't make sense that people would so actively oppose something that does not directly affect them in any way.

Other admittedly gay posters on this site like yird, EvilGenius, and excorcism_cocky4u would probably agree with me. like they always say, they're gay and they're proud. I don't necessarily want to hang out in their world, but I'm happy that they're gay and proud. It doesn't affect me one way or another.

Posted by mkris on November 14, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Before the early 1960's Black women and white men were not allowed to marry. The same arguments were made then as they are now against gay marriage. NO difference and marriage survived. Anyone want to guess the LAST state to stop fighting black and white marriage? Of course its hate and fear, dress the pig in bows and frills, its still a pig.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SimplyMad, I am a Raider fan... that's been hard to admit for several years now... but facts are facts!

GetSerious, all of my children are above the age of consent. I guess I could say that pedophilia can no longer affect me directly. Should I stop opposing it?

Am I placing homosexuals in the same boat as pedophiles? That is not my intention. I'm just pointing out that something doesn't have to have a direct affect on you for you to have strong feelings about it.

Bigamy was brought up. That's an excellent example. Do those that support homosexual marriage also support bigamy, and if not, why not?

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CB- Are you kidding me? I don't see any relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia, that's pretty ridiculous to even suggest. Pedophiles inflict trauma and ruin lives. They're not even in the same discussion as gays.

Strong feelings are one thing, but to actively work to oppose and prevent someone else's happiness is kind of sick in my opinion.

Again, my stance is that I could care less what two consenting adults choose to do. Have 10 wives as long as they are of age and consent to it. But your attempt to make a point using pedophilia fails miserably IMO.

Posted by TheSafetyMan on November 14, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Steve said "Some gay people are devout "Christians"."

Impossible because God calls it an abomination. Homosexuality is sin according to the Bible. Can't be Christian and gay, absolutely not. And stop calling it hate because we don't agree with your lifestyle.

Steve, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve (that was tooooo easy).

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CB, now that you admit you are a Raiders fan, you will be able to live a happier life, Al Davis cant live forever!

JimIslander
"Intolerance of the magnitude displayed by some here can only come from a profound ignorance fueled by an irrational superstitious upbringing."

What about the magnitude of Intolerance displayed by the "gay" protesters in CA that went into private sanctuaries, and attack innocent people practicing their religion? I guess thats ok...no, that is real ignorance and true irrational behavior.

Getserious, ever heard of NAMBLA? Well, I am sure you have, judging by your continued assualts on other posters, it seems that you "...protest..." to much.

Maybe you are a NAMBLA supporter or member. Eitherway, your inputs are of no value or relevance to me.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GetSerious, as I pointed out I wasn't drawing a relationship between pedophilia and homosexuality. I was asking if I should stop caring about pedophilia since it can't affect me directly, as you had argued. I was pointing out the argument that you should not care if it does not affect you is, by itself, not a good argument.

I'm not arguing against homosexuality. My gut feeling tells me it's wrong but my brain can't find a reason why it's wrong. I usually live my life based on what my brain tells me. Not often does my gut feeling differ though. That's MY problem and one I'll deal with.

God did not make Adam or Eve... he made rock-n-roll :)

It's also not possible to sin unless you are a christian :)

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a magnitude of "tolerance";

"White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA

Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the sites of protests against the church's support of California's gay marriage ban.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-...
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning gay marriage in California."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114...

"No matter your opinion of Proposition 8, we should all agree that it is wrong to intimidate and harass churches, businesses and individuals for participating in the democratic process," Ron Prentice, of ProtectMarriage.com, said in a statement. Boycotters were "unabashedly trampling on the rights of others," he said.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-...
______________________________________________
What a great display of love and "tolerance"!

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CB- i see your point.

SimplyMad- ok, you're right. lol, you sound like a newbie greenhorn poster desperate for attention. Keep trying, though. Eventually you will find someone that thinks you are in some way relevant. I don't recall ever addressing you, i generally avoid extremist kooks like you.

Posted by cwmcpa on November 14, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Article is not accurate. The voters did not approve of same sex marriage in Conn. The Supreme Court in an act of Judicial Activism ruled that same sex marriage is legal. I can not find where any legislation or ballot initiative for same sex marriage has passed. Maybe the poor misunderstood victims can get Canada to approve it and they will move.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's gotta be legal in Canada... everything else is <lol>.

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getserious, I was responding to your homosexuality and pedophilia responce to ColdBud, pointing out NAMBLA.
I have read your posts, and it seems your only intentions are to insight others. Which would indicate that you jump into a thread, make outrageous posts, hoping in your lonly and empty soul for any attention you can get. Now I am sorry I even responded to you post to CB.

As for your avoiding me, that would be nice, I try not to pay attention to trolls like yourself. So you ignore me and
I will ignore your obviously disturbed mind (which I base that opinion on your past posts).

Posted by SimplyMad on November 14, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, I never said I was religious. And the posts about the "protesters" was specific - "the gay protesters in CA"

Newt, release the bitterness and hate for Christians, you cant lump all christians into one group of bad people. Now can you...?

Posted by theronce on November 14, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

moonpie, I heard a preacher that I respect say that the location of that destroyed city is now the Dead Sea, the lowest spot on land in the world today.

Posted by Lovely_One on November 14, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez Newt, lighten up on us Christians, will ya?!

Posted by newto843 on November 14, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Live and let live.

CB a Raiders Fan? Ouch, that has to be painful.

Posted by theronce on November 14, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chill, Newt. No one is forcing anything on you. Why do you want to deny someone else their speech rights. Does the truth cause this anger. Or, do you believe that only those who talk like you should say what is on their mind.

Posted by guidedbystewart on November 14, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel that it should be illegal to impose your moral will on consenting adults, as long as these adults are not harming others against their will. I thought the US was be about freedom? I guess not.

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SimplyMad- you make no sense. All you have done is repeat what i said in my post as if it were your own original thought? You seem to operate at about a 5th grade level. And that's ok! But don't try to drag other posters into your whack job world.

Let the adults have a discussion. Stick to NAMBLA and you'll be better off and more in your own element.

Posted by Lovely_One on November 14, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, aren't you, in a sense, imposing your beliefs on others by saying they are crazy for believing what they believe and that they should "catch up" with you?

Also, you are lumping all "religious people" (although I don't consider myself religious, just spiritual with a relationship with my Lord) in with each other just as others are doing with gays, blacks, etc. This is something you speak out against so fervently on here, but you are doing it yourself.

I have never come here and "forced" my religious beliefs on anyone. I always say that I will do me and you do you. I am not one to jump all over anyone and call them names because they don't believe as I do.....

I don't know why I am even posting this. You say all the time you are not a nice person (although I think you are kewl) and you will most likely continue to toss insults at those of us who choose to believe in someone you do not.

Either way, I still luv ya!

Posted by Lovely_One on November 14, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, Newt. And I would never try to change you. Things would never be the same if you were to turn all soft and mushy on us!!!

But I feel you on the people damning others to hell. I believe that it is against God for a man to lay with a man and a woman to lay with a woman, but I also say that is between those people and their God.

However, as a Christian, it is said that I am supposed to give the person the Word and whatever they choose to do with it is their choice. Once I say what God says, I leave it at that because it is out of my hands.

I cannot live their lives for them. It's like with my children. I can teach them right from wrong, but in the end, what they choose to do once they are out of my house is on them. I have done my duties as a parent and the rest is up to them (once they turn 18 and are no longer under my roof).

I must say that I do respect you especially since you do say who you are and you don't divert from that. Hypocrisy is not your strong suit. :-)

Posted by RTC on November 14, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loveley, would you care to join me when I commit myself to a mental institution? We have to leave the snakes at home though.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So anyway... I got the new Bass Pro Shops catalog yesterday. There are no articles about Proposition 8 in that catalog :)

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on November 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love the lame excuses for people who support gay marriage. 1)We just wanna visit our lover in the hospital.
Well thats BS. Ive worked in the medical field for years. I have NEVER denied someone visitation because I suspected someone was gay. ( who cares if someones gay and visiting their lover?) Thats fn ridiculous! What do they think they do? Ask, hey dude are you doing him? Uh...NO visiting for you! 2) I just want my lover to make medical decisions for me. OK. Thats again BS. All you have to do is draw up papers with a lawyer. 3) I just wanna leave my lover my assets in a will. Well...duh. Once again see a lawyer.

Posted by Slick50 on November 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lemme see...the majority of California voters want to end gay marriage in that state. The minority wants to overturn what the majority wants. Can it really be that simple to overturn the outcome of an election?

Posted by yird on November 14, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well welcome back GefDelerious, I thought maybe you'd fallen out of your crib and injured yourself.

Your support, although not shared by me, for the militant homosexual agenda is duly noted.

Keep up the good work, you my get rewarded ----in the end!

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're sick Newt! You've ruined the best catalog on the face of the Earth <lol>.

Posted by Lovely_One on November 14, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC, pull out the straight jacket!!! LOL

Newt, I have been lucky enough to get the 2 year old to fall into the sleep routine as well. This little man is still confused on day and night, but each night he does sleep a little longer than the last! Thank God....that was for you...wink!

Posted by onesidedsquare on November 14, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I still don't why and what are they protesting for?
All i've heard is that they're protesting bigotry and they're pissed at us(the voting public) for not voting for prop8.
Prop8 lost because even crazy Californians understand that you can't legislate culture, and it went a lot further than just the legalization of gay marriage.

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

c'mon yird. I thought you had decided to come out of the closet? I see you're still in denial about your gayness.

Posted by JLWDALFAN on November 14, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHY DON'T WE GIVE THE HOMO'S AN ISLAND. HOW ABOUT PUERTO RICO, AND ALL THE GAY PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE. YOU CAN THEN BAR ALL STRAIGHT PEOPLE FROM THE ISLAND. OR BETTER YET MOVE TO MASSACHUSETTS OR CONNECTICUT. THESE 2 LOVELY STATES WILL
GLADLY TAKE YOU IN.

Posted by guidedbystewart on November 14, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"you can't legislate culture"

but is this not what they are doing?

Posted by mkris on November 14, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on November 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.
1)We just wanna visit our lover in the hospital.
Well thats BS. Ive worked in the medical field for years. I have NEVER denied someone visitation because I suspected someone was gay. ( who cares if someones gay and visiting their lover?)
It happens often, maybe not by you, but others.

2) I just want my lover to make medical decisions for me. OK. Thats again BS. All you have to do is draw up papers with a lawyer.
Good suggestion, but often people forget or get busy.

3) I just wanna leave my lover my assets in a will. Well...duh. Once again see a lawyer.
To leave the assets, yes. BUT estate transfers between spouses are TAX FREE!

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bubba and Junior are sitting in a bar. Junior says “I’m tired of doin’ nothin’ with my life. I think I’m gonna take me some classes at the junior college and get me an education”. Bubba looks at him and says, with a small grin “Yea sure, lemme know how that goes!”

The day next Junior sits down with the guidance counselor at the junior college. The counselor says I’m going to sign you up for a Math class, a Reading class and a Logic class”. Junior asks “A logic class? What’s that?” The Guidance Counselor replies “Well, it’ll be easier to explain with an example”

“Do you have a riding lawn mower?”
“Yes” Junior replies.
“Then I can logically deduce that you have a yard.”
“Yes” Junior replies.
“Then I can logically deduce that you have a house.”
“Yes” Junior replies.
“Then I can logically deduce that you have a family.”
“Yes” Junior replies.
“Then I can logically deduce that you have a wife and that you are heterosexual”
“Wow” Junior says “You got all that just ‘cause I have a riding lawn mower?”
“That the way logic works” the Guidance Counselor answered.

The next night Junior and Bubba are back in the bar. Bubba asks “How did your trip to the junior college go?” “It went great” Junior replied “They are gonna put me in a math class, a reading class and a logic class”. “A logic class” Bubba asked “What’s that?” Junior answered “Well, let me explain with an example”

“Do you have a riding lawn mower?”
“No” Bubba answered
“Well…” Junior paused… “Then you must be gay!”

I wish I could remember the name of the comedian that I heard tell that joke, but I can’t.

Posted by ColdBud on November 14, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, my wife has a solution. They could invent a new word for homosexuals that are joined together for life, giving them all the exact same legal status and such as normal married people. She recommends using the Fairriage. Normal people would have marriage and homosexuals would have Fairriage. Once the term and laws were adopted... they could all get fairied. :)

Posted by GetSerious on November 14, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CB- now you're advocating separate but equal? You should change your username to Jim Crow.

(the lawnmower joke was pretty good, though)

Posted by yird on November 14, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GetSerious; If I were a fruit I wouldn't try to hide it like you are obviously attempting to do.

I suppose because your children have two daddies it behoove you to champion the cause of the sodomites.

No big deal but what you and they do behind closed doors should remain private.

My wife of and I are not out marching and parading around in freak outfits proselytizing for heterosexuality yet you find it necessary to do the same regarding your inverted sexual proclivity.

I suppose you just want to be connected, like one in one in one.

Posted by SusanKS on November 14, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up in the backwoods of the Ozark Mountains in AR. My father was a FreeWill Baptist preacher for over 30 yrs. I was raised to believe that being gay was sick and disgusting. I was raised to believe that it was a choice and not who you were from the time of birth. I was also raised to believe that African American ppl were animals, losers, thieves, lazy and not good for anything more than to either clean my toilet or wash my feet. I maintained these beliefs for many years.

As the years went by...I began to think for myself. I began to meet ppl...gay people that weren't dirty and nasty as I had been told they were. I met African American ppl that weren't lazy, thieves, animals, and if truth be told, some of them were much better than the person I was at the time. I had to examine my belief system that came from my parents and the churches I had attended over the years.

What I came to realize was that I had to think for myself...I had to figure out what "I" believed.

I believe that God made us all equal. I don't believe that God wants any of us to think we are better than the next guy. I think God is a God of love and He wants us to LOVE one another...whoever we are.

These beliefs were already a part of me long before my youngest son told me that he is gay.

Let me tell you about my son. I am so proud of him. He has such a good heart and he cares so very much about ppl. He believes that everyone deserves to be treated equally...to be loved and to give love.

Today my heart is so heavy. It has been since I found out that he is gay. Is that because I am ashamed of him? God no!!! NEVER!!! I am sad because every parent wants their child to be happy...to grow to be all they can be...to find a spouse that will support and love them, have children and just have a successful life. My sadness comes from knowing that my son’s life is never going to be an easy one because of all the ppl in this world that would judge him because of his SEXUAL preference instead of the man he is now and the one I know he will become. I know my son. He did not one day wake up and say to himself..."Hey I think it would be so cool to be gay". WHO IN THIER RIGHT MIND WOULD "CHOOSE" to be GAY??? With all the hate and prejudice there is toward gay ppl, WHO WOULD CHOOSE TO BE GAY?

My son is gay. I am proud of him. Do I SUPPORT him for being gay? NOPE I don't. I support him for being a good person, a good man. The fact that he is gay does not change who he is or what he is. I simply SUPPORT MY SON!

Tomorrow I will take my son to the rally...and I will walk by his side and I will NOT feel embarrassment that my son is gay. I will and do feel pride that he will stand up for the equal rights of every man and woman alive to live their lives as they wish and deserve.

Sincerely,
A proud mother of not a GAY man, but a GOOD MAN!

Posted by steve on November 15, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on November 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m.
1)"We just wanna visit our lover in the hospital.
Well thats BS. Ive worked in the medical field for years. I have NEVER denied someone visitation because I suspected someone was gay. (who cares if someones gay and visiting their lover?)"

Dude, stop using the word lover and try the word partner.

2) "I just want my lover to make medical decisions for me. OK. Thats again BS. All you have to do is draw up papers with a lawyer."

Do you have to carry your marriage license to the hospital to make medical decisions for them? This is an area I have personal experience in. A nurse tried to release me from East Cooper Hospital, after I had been there for 4 days on nothing but ice chips and morphine. My partner and his mother begged her not to do it. In the rush to get me to the hospital my partner forget to go to our lock box and find the legally drawn up paperwork. She continued the process of releasing me. My partner jumped over the nurses desk, called my doctor, handed the phone to the nurse ~ guess what? The nurse turned pale and returned me to my room. The next day the doctors discovered I had a dissecting aneurysm with a 50/50 chance of living. That nurse refused to listen to the pleas of my partner, who has the legal paperwork to make medical decisions for me, and his Mother.

3) "I just wanna leave my lover my assets in a will. Well...duh. Once again see a lawyer."

Funny, that's on of those rights/benefits that comes with signing the license for marriage. But, no, gay and lesbian citizens have to shell out $500 to have the papers drawn up and they can still be contested by any blood relative of the deceased who wishes to do so.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on November 15, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

steve- I'm so sorry you were treatd that way. All I can speak for is what I have personally seen or done. I generally am "out in the field" for my medical work, but I have worked in hospitals. I could care less if people in need are gay, straight, black, white, purple, republican or dem. I want to make them healthy and happy. Happy almost always includes having someone sit by their bedside who loves them. I do feel sorry for the fear some gays have while in that situation. I remember one time an older man was brought in and was ill. He had with him, his "son". He and his "son" repeatedly told me..."I'm his son." "This is my son". (they were nearly the exact same age)It struck me then that they were actually fearful that I wouldnt let him stay in the room with him. It made me sad. I told them it was fine. I made sure that the patients "son" was comfortable too. I brought him a blanket and water to drink. Poor guy wouldnt even leave to get food.
Yes. Drawing up papers does cost money. I think it's a small price to pay to protect loved ones. Straight people don't get free wills either. I apologize for my use of the term lover. I was never aware that would be offensive. To me a "partner" sounds kinda cold.lol

Posted by mp123 on November 15, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fact is, even though Prop 8 passed, the tide is turning in favor of gays and lesbians and that makes all the bigots who post on this site a bit nervous. Obama's decisive victory was not only a vote for change. It was a rejection of the bitter rhetoric coming from the far right....people like Sarah Palin and Elizabeth Dole.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on November 15, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW- Some food for thought. Not all gay people are for gay marriage.

Posted by a_set_love on November 15, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somehow, I bet all the homosexuals and other perverts fell right at home in the City of Charleston.

Posted by a_set_love on November 15, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by mp123 on November 15, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fact is, even though Prop 8 passed, the tide is turning in favor of gays and lesbians and that makes all the bigots who post on this site a bit nervous. Obama's decisive victory was not only a vote for change. It was a rejection of the bitter rhetoric coming from the far right...............

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President "0"s decisive victory? I thought it was only by a slim margine, a couple of million out of around 120 million cast.

I wonder how many of "0"s votes were multiple "Acorn" votes or homosexuals.