Deadly gunfire at mall

Teach7775 (anonymous) says...

Right to bear arms???? What a f- ing joke..... This pisses me off....

November 6, 2008 at 5:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sig (anonymous) says...

Does anyone care about the safety of the law abiding citizens anymore? It seems as though the stores would have a great interest in the safety of the folks shopping, but all they see is the bottom line of how much profit they are making. Well I am sure their profit will go further down.

Another life lost and a grieving family lost a son.

More welfare scumbags. Put them against the wall and shoot them.

November 6, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

I agree with Teach7775 ... tank tops, halter tops, or any items of clothing that show naked arms should be banned!!! Seriously, what a truly asinine comment Teach!!! Got to hand it to you though, it makes more sense than the other two!

November 6, 2008 at 5:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tcm3412 (anonymous) says...

SCnative, who said they were black? Some Black people hate white people for the same reason white people hate blacks. Just because they are black or just because they are white. Maybe some parents are teaching hate at home the same way white people teach hate at home(like the KKK)except the KKK kill blacks. Why don;t the KKK just kill whites who like blacks instead?

November 6, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

tcm3412...Do you have any personal knowledge of anyone from the KKK killing Blacks? If so, I urge you to report it to law enforcement authorities immediately! If not, perhaps you shouldn't be making such inflamatory accusations because they make you look just as bad as the others who assumed these were Blacks or on welfare. If you are a proud, intelligent Black man or woman you will not succumb to such race-baiting tactics.

November 6, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

r2d2 (anonymous) says...

The right to bear arms applies for all law abiding citizens. These people at the mall broke tons of laws. I also have the right to drive my car but if I drove it through the mall entrance at a high rate of speed and ran over a bunch of people - I'd be breaking the law

November 6, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

I never go to the Citadel Mall and the only time I go to Northwoods Mall is to walk in to the tool department at Sears, buy what I need, and then leave through the same door. Both malls are dangerous. If people stop going they will either increase security or go our of business. WE hold the key to fixing this particular problem.

Reading some of these posts I guess it's safe to say that racism and ignorance never sleep.

November 6, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...

Well said r2d2. Take away the right to bear arms and only criminals will have them.

November 6, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

common_sense_plz (anonymous) says...

Mall security is a joke!! Well scnative, what were they to do? I was in the mall parking lot when this went down. Last time I checked they are not psychic and did not know there was going to be a shooting in the parking lot during broad daylight. If they had known, I wish they would have told have told me because I could have done without all the drama.
I commend the police for being on the spot soo fast. There were two officers that were right behind the two running away. There were also many in cars, etc within minutes.

scnative - there is so much that I would like to say about your comment. I would like to invite you to lunch or coffee, my treat, to discuss your questions.

November 6, 2008 at 6:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

burton (anonymous) says...

Again, what the hell is going on at Citadel Mall? What were these three doing in the mall during the middle of the day? Another senseless shooting!! Good thing the officer was there!

November 6, 2008 at 7 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

ColdBud, dead on...some days you put it so fully and succinctly...good one today.

November 6, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

anon (anonymous) says...

I haven't been inside either of the malls around here in years. For one, both of them are extremely dated and need complete overhauls. I do not feel safe going to either one and it's incidents like these that just reinforce why. Too bad for them because I love to shop, but if they can't provide me with a safe comfortable environment then I take my business elsewhere.

November 6, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillady (anonymous) says...

I avoid the malls, period. My daughter and I were talking and it has been a YEAR since we walked into either Citadel or Northwoods. I will avoid Citadel for quite some time. Who wants to get shot in broad daylight? Online is much safer and easier.

November 6, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

riddiksgirl (anonymous) says...

Is that lunch free? Just please don't go to the food court at Citadel Mall.

November 6, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ForPnC (anonymous) says...

I spend a good bit of money but not at the malls. I've never felt safe.

Mall Managers - Are you reading this? We're not even hinting to you. We're TELLING you! Secure yours malls and they will flourish! We have money to spend but not in dangerous areas.

November 6, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

Nowhere is safe anymore best to do you are shopping online for Christmas. This way you avoid the crowds at the mall, the traffic on the streets, and low life scumbags shooting guns to get there kicks because, they cannot get Viagra with their Medicaid

November 6, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

The problem with Citadel Mall is that it has a huge image problem. For some reason, this mall's owners have done little if anything to try to attract merchants that reflect the entire demographic of the West Ashley area. Stores that were once cutting edge, moderately upscale and new to Charleston have all vacated the property leaving behind in their wake a peculiar mix of tenants that really aren't appealing to anyone and are certainly not a major draw.

When almost every resident of West Ashley that you talk to says that they avoid the place like the plague and instead shop at Mt. Pleasant Towne Centre or downtown on King Street, that should be a fairly good indicator that the mall's owners have most definitely missed their mark.

If Citadel Mall looked like a mall of the 2000's and had stores like Banana Republic, Pottery Barn, Brooks Brothers and the like - perhaps they'd get the support of the West Ashley community. With its present day tenant mix of junk stores and its run down and blighted exterior, who wants to shop here?

Let's hope that CBL & Associates (the mall's owners) will FINALLY turn this sad situation around and add some excitement to this otherwise dreadful property. It has great potential - if they would only do something to it to improve it!

November 6, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

charlestonscman (anonymous) says...

Reflect the West Ashley community? Don't you think that it does right now. I don't know what West Ashley you live in but it is a collection of junk stores and blighted exterior, just like their mall. West Ashley can't even sustain a movie theater. This mall will close in a few years.

November 6, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

brandy_barton1 (anonymous) says...

Citadel Mall has indeed turned into a sad little place. I don't quite understand it. I've been to other cities and visited malls owned by the same company who owns Citadel Mall. All of their malls are so modern and nice. Citadel Mall looks horrible. There is trash strewn all down Orleans Road next to the bus stop. One of the Bradford pear trees next to the bus stop snapped in two and was left on the lawn for days - and never replaced. All of the grass along Orleans Road has gone to dirt where people waiting for CARTA have trampled it dead.

The brick on the outside of the mall is mildewed and peeling. The parking lot lines have faded so badly that you can barely see them. There is gum all over the sidewalks and nary a tree in the parking lot. Just acres and acres of old, deteriorating asphalt.

The inside, while it did get a facelift a few years back is dirty and smells. Most of the individual stores are gone. No wonder this mall is a magnet for crime. Certainly there is nothing here that would draw anyone to come stay and shop for a while. It's obvious that both Belk and Dillard's have downgraded their stores since they originally opened, and poor JCPenney's ill fated decision to return to a mall where they already failed one time probably wasn't the smartest idea as their empty parking is likely indicative of their popularity.

Had the mall tried to attract Macy's, and then totally gutted the exterior to make it more modern and attractive (new entrances, signage, stucco over the decaying bricks) and also possibly tried to attract some much needed chain restaurants that are currently missing in West Ashley - Citadel could have been a popular and thriving place.

It's so sad to see what it's become. If the mall's owner isn't going to do anything to improve the situation, they just need to go on and tear it down because West Ashley residents have long withdrawn their support from the mall, with the possible exception of Target. Now with this happening, I'm really even afraid to go there!

November 6, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

you people are scum just like these losers

you do release you can get shot at in mt pleasant or downtown too.

are you people frigging stupid no innocent by standers were harmed just the morons involved. my husband works in this mall and still feels safe as does his manager

this wasnt the malls fault this was three idiots who got into a fight most likely over a woman or drugs.

you cant blame the mall for the stupid crap that the people who come into it.

violence can happen any where on any day. get over it. seriously your letting an isolated incident control your life thats stupid go out to the malls go shopping this has nothing to do with the mall it just happened in the parking lot.

also theres a police substation in the mall at the entrance in between sears and jcpenneys. i frequent this mall weekly and know security well. they arent responsible for the parking lot. thats the city polices job. they are responsible for what goes on inside the mall. would you rather mall security inside walking back and forth preventing shop lifting and your stuff from getting stolen or outside running crowds away

this is unfortunate but totally random.

you live in charleston get over it seriously. the whole place is going down. live in fear and the criminals win get up go out and continue living. the day we roll over and stop going out of our homes and fight for our city is the day it dies. also a random shooting can kill you while you sit on your so called safe sofa with your precious laptop

if its your time your gonna die never let fear run your life

the mall is safe

now to the guy who had a car for sale on mall property
they were within their rights to tell you to move it you cant sell anything on property you dont own without prior consent

also dicks sporting goods isnt part of the mall hence the reason the mall office did nothing

dicks is its own store on its own property

November 6, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hairy1663 (anonymous) says...

Mall security isn't armed.

November 6, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

you people are clueless

the bus stop is on city property for starters
trash is emptied once daily at 10pm at night
the tree was removed as soon as the rains ended it didnt sit there for days it was there for a day

as i said my husband works there
the tree was struck by lightening the grass cant grow because of the high volume of people on that stop. that stop can at some points in the day have 60 people waiting in the buses

the trash on orleans road isnt the malls its the residents by the mall

you cant blame the mall for the crap the people in the neighborhood does

citadel mall did try to get macys but lost out on it
west ashley residents havent given up on it dont generalize us all.

the mall is constantly being repaired inside and out. but its very expensive. instead of complaining go out to the mall show it some support and shop there without revenue coming in it cant upgrade and make repairs

i still support the mall and i always will

November 6, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

yes they are. they carry guns i have watched many of them unlock their holsters when dealing with upset people

November 6, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

I have not been to that mall is several years. At one time, it was a very sophisticated place to shop. Northwood's was still a small mall did not have that big addition added.
The last time I went to citadel mall I was so disappointed by it. It almost looks well like a hangout for thugs. In addition, that was a few years ago.
I f I do shop. I go to the mall in Hilton head or Columbia.

You are right it is not the Malls fault. However, as others say clean up the place and bring better clients in, you may see a big change.JMO

November 6, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

here's a question.......why weren't these d-bags at work??? Grown men hanging out at the mall during the middle of the day!!

November 6, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

In response to the post from charlestonscman above, might I suggest that you peruse the article from a 2004 edition of the Post & Courier which can be found online at http://archives.postandcourier.com/ar... quite interesting.

As noted in this article, the section of Ashley River Road in West Ashley from Bee's Ferry Road north to the Dorchester County line is the most affluent in Charleston and the 3rd most affluent in the state. There is tremendous buying power in West Ashley - these persons just shop elsewhere.

I wholeheartedly agree that the area surrounding the mall is most definitely blighted, but I don't think that this is true for all of West Ashley. The majority of the commercial areas throughout the entire tri-county are all quite unattractive if you ask me. Most often Rivers Avenue and Savannah Highway are mentioned as being the most unattractive and over commercialized; however portions of Johnnie Dodds Boulevard in Mt. Pleasant and portions of Coleman Boulevard are also VERY unsightly, as are area of Folly Road on James Island and portions of the main thoroughfares in Summerville. No area of town seems to escape it or be immune, unfortunately.

November 6, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rewchrUlwys (anonymous) says...

Just a quick question.....Do you really believe that a exterior as well as interior makeover of the building and the tenants that chose to have a store there will fix the problem? WOW, that's sort of like putting a band aid over a severed limb. Not that I have the solution as to what should be done to quell the violence that seems to be engulfing us at every turn, but I'm pretty sure its not renovation of a mall. Possibly harsher sentences for criminals, judges with the gonads to sentence the max and then stand by it, a parol board that doesn't have bleeding hearts, moral values taught in the home, religion in schools? These might be a start. GOD, COUNTRY, HONOR?? Where did these values go?

November 6, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

here's another question why are there more than one 'Foot lockers' in the mall? You can literally throw a stone from one and hit the other!! Seriously, how different can one set of overpriced sneakers be from another set sold by the same company.....and here's a law that should be passed...if you are on welfare you should be banned from buying expensive clothes and shoes..after all it's coming directly from my inmcome tax, and I don't buy that stuff for myself.

November 6, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

violence and crime are every were no city and no state are immune.

you want the mall upgraded and fixed start shopping there. places need money coming in in order t do repairs

each store company owner is responsible for the store. rents are very cheap as well also the stores there are based on the people who shop there

like all the black people style clothing. you cant put a high end store like you would see on upper king street in any mall and expect to sell prada louis voton and gucci
it wont sell. the goods for sale have to be priced in away to draw attention and be sold. cant sell high end merchandise in a low income section of town gotta meet the needs of your main shopper demographic

November 6, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

rew

you got the point
fixing the mall wont stop the crimes
what happened was senseless ad totally random. i could see it if there was same published crime every other day but this kind of idiotic fear many of you are possessing is stupid.
its been nearly 2 years since the last shooting. the stores are rarely robbed there even. sure thee are goods stolen but that happens in all stores every single day

November 6, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

charlestonscman (anonymous) says...

toddb, while the link didn't work I do not doubt the 'purchasing power' West Ashley in the one corner that you are talking about. 3rd most affluent in the state I find laughable. That section also has crappy roads (61 traffic is the worst in Charleston) and is extremely dated.

If they do have money they must not spend it on anything nice. Other than Red Orchid, name a decent restuarant West Ashley. There are none. The area is a blight of chains. Stores and restuarants evaluate the demographics and you end up with what you are.

As to your other comment, I do agree about other areas in the tri-county region. The major shopping areas are very very dated.

The only nice grocery store was Publix at the Northbridge. At least now you are getting a Harris Teeter on Savannah Highway.

November 6, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

brandy_barton1 (anonymous) says...

Thanks to jca for clarification on the garbage strewn along Orleans Road and the downed tree. When the Richard A. Jacobs Group owned this mall, they replaced the trees with new ones when they were damaged and also picked up the trash along Orleans Road. If CARTA is responsible for picking up the trash, then my apologies for suggesting that CBL & Associates should take care of this. The city ordinance does plainly state however that the property owner IS responsible for the upkeep of the public right of way, so technically CBL is responsible. Check with the City of Charleston - they'll be happy to confirm this.

Coastal Grand in Myrtle Beach is a new mall owned by CBL. It's quite modern and very attractive. All I was attempting to communicate is that CBL has the same opportunity here to do something great with Citadel Mall along these lines. I certainly meant no disrespect to jca's husband. I'm sure that he works hard to keep up the mall. It just really needs new stores and a new image.

Citadel Mall can't help that crime ends up on its doorstep. It's everywhere. They aren't doing anything to draw it in. Just wish that they'd have some nicer stores that would be more appealing to a broader cross-section of the community.

Thank you.

November 6, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

I live in WA and can tell you that there is trash strewn all over the sides of the road...people seem to think my drainage ditch is their personal trash can. If you drive down Orleans road during the middle of the day (especially the house directly next to the mall) there are kids hanging out on the front stoop...not working...not contributing to society...living off our daily bread. Put these little leeches to work, they're able-bodied, get their lazy a**es out on the street picking up trash in order to earn their welfare check..after all we pay for them to exist!!

November 6, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

well i can only speak for my husbands store they clean up trash near their entrance and even take the trash cans outside and empty them

this mall was upgraded like 10 years ago. if that. the stores are each responsible for their stores. my husbands store is in the process of trying to get their corporation to approve new carpet and signage as they still carry the old name.

wont happen now until after the holidays. its very hard to keep the mall looking good when the people(not one race or people either) have no respect. i have seen people of all races spit on the floor throw cups on the floor and even watched a woman pee into a plant down near jcpenneys.
the mall recently did upgrades and took out the play area. this stuff even happens in nice pretty new malls i saw this same stuff up in washington dc at HUGE 3 STORY MALL. cbl is working on plans for upgrades for the walk ways and exterior. but it costs money. money they cant make if people avoid a mall because of one shooting

cant live in fear people

November 6, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

couldnt agree more turdblossom

November 6, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MsPiggy (anonymous) says...

Oh my gosh, don't even get me started on Citadel Mall. I stopped going there by myself because I can't even make it to the entrance door without some wannabe thug approaching me saying, "Ay shorty, can I holla at chu? What cho name is?" hahaha! I mean seriously, there is a group of these guys that just hang out at the entrance to the food court waiting for some pretty young thing (PYT) to walk up and their goal is to collect as many phone numbers as they can. I mean sheese! I feel like I'm at the friggin' fair when the people at the midway shout at you when you're walking by.

The last time I went to the Citadel mall with my BF, we left the mall when it was dark and he said, "Baby, let's hurry up! Get in the car and lock the doors!"

Northwoods is starting to go downhill, too. Sad.

They had a 'confrontation'? So that's reason enough to pull out a gun and shoot somebody? "Ay man you checkin' out my girl??"
"Who you staring at, son? You got an eye problem? I'll fix that"

POW!!

Come on. Then the rapper 50 Cent has to make getting shot look all cool and hard. He always brags about, "I got shot 9 times! I got shot 9 times!"
So I guess you've "made it" in the hip-hop scene if you've got shot. Whatever!

November 6, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

geekboy (anonymous) says...

You know, jca, when you are attempting to convince others that you are right and they are wrong, it isn't the brightest idea in the world to start off by calling those people stupid, idiots, scum, etc.

November 6, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

orleanshooz (anonymous) says...

You people need to quit dissin' Citadel Mall. I mean where else can you get gold grills for your teeth (at Goldsteins), get a sweet haircut at Phlayva Cutz AND get tires for your car all at the same time while shopping for clothes?!? Plus - the specialty stores are da bomb! We've got a boarded up Bull & Finch, a closed Bombay Company, a closed Briar Patch - the shopping opportunities are endless. Convenient, at the door parking at JCPenney and Sears at any time of the day. What more can you ask for?

November 6, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

I have two jobs, and could always use one more....how are these people living and eating? If these thugs have nothing better to do than hang out at the mall the government should start rounding them up in paddy wagons and giving them something to do..lord knows there is so much that needs to be fixed in our area and an apparent lack of manpower to do it...paint buildings, dig ditches, pick up trash, cut the highway grass, something!!

November 6, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

Posted by jca on November 6, 2008 at 8:16 a.m.: ...my husband works in this mall and still feels safe as does his manager

Posted by jca on November 6, 2008 at 8:28 a.m.: ...they carry guns i have watched many of them unlock their holsters when dealing with upset people

Hmmm... I'm failing to see the logic in these statements. I guess we are "clueless" and "scum".

I will continue to stay away from the mall and its dangerous environment. I'm not interested in shopping where the security guards constantly have to unlock their holsters while dealing with upset people. It may not be the mall's fault that it is dangerous, but that doesn't make it any less dangerous.

Quite honestly, it's been about 6 or 7 years before I ventured in to Citadel Mall. My wife and I drove out there, walked around the entire mall and didn't find a store that we were interested in entering. It was, at the time, a bunch of odd ball stuff.

November 6, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

Very true charlestonscman about the lack of restaurants in West Ashley. I guess the "decision makers" think we don't eat over here! Everything out Hwy. 61 isn't all old and crappy though. Yes, Hwy. 61 needs help, but it's not all bad.

Glad to hear from jca that CBL does have plans in place for upgrades. It's not the mall merchants' fault that these thugs have to come in and ruin it for everyone. It's a shame for the merchants and shoppers.

I think the key is everyone working together to make it better. The mall, the merchants, the shoppers and the city. I know of a mall in another area that was in a similar predicament - getting older, etc. The owners came in and added parking decks and built a wing of new restaurants and specialty shops. That place came back like you wouldn't believe and is now vibrant and re-energized.

The one factor that Citadel has going for it is convenience. The location is easily accessible and very centralized. With a creative mix of renovations and an infusion of some new life with the right stores and restaurants, it can once again become vibrant.

It's just a no brainer that if a place is attractive, clean and aesthetically pleasing with something unique to offer - people will come. I hope for nothing but the best for Citadel Mall in the future and would like nothing more than to see it prosper.

November 6, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

i am a female and i am young and white not that race should matter cause it doesnt

i go to this mall at least once a week often with my husband when hes there to work. but not always his store has a rule that management when off should stop by and offer a break to the on duty manager. so we go when hes off and do that hes been working there since early spring their store has had no robberies no nothing its safe i wander the mall often alone am i afraid no. i dress with class nothing hanging out nothing skin tight.
women are often times victimized because of how we dress and carry ourselves. dont want to be bothered cover up its that simple. also dont go in by the food court
go in down by sears the only person on that door is a few employees on smoke breaks and their all harmless specially the guy from gamestop.

November 6, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

what i meant with the upset people was the ones who get irate and demand prices be cut and who are just there being disorderly

not really one word for that now is there.

not upset in i cant find my 5 year old child that i left in gamestop to play video games while i spent three hours shopping. this is a bigger problem than a random parking lot shooting

November 6, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

common_sense_plz (anonymous) says...

Just as an FYI to the comment about the trash around the bus stop. There is a person from the City, someone from the mall, and myself the contractor for CARTA that works hard to keep the area clean and the trash picked up. I was there cleaning when the shooting took place and had to run when the two guys came running in our direction. Please believe that those of us that are tasked with cleaning the area take it pride in trying to keep the are clean. There is not much that we can do about litterbugs that are even so bold to throw trash on the ground as I'm working.

November 6, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

poor_paul (anonymous) says...

JCA, I have to agree with geekboy. If you want to start out by insulting people about being morons and being clueless, you aren't going to get far convincing anybody. You may be right in some of your comments, as you obviously have more contact with the mall than most of us do. The mall is probably getting a bad rap because of some young punks that hang out there.

Also, my 8-year-old knows more about punctuation and spelling than you do. Take a few moments to edit your comments.

Turdblossom, love the name!!!

November 6, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

Common sense, I wholeheartedly agree with you, and like I said earlier there is much to do and not enough manpower to solve it; put the welfare vultures into government work programs to assist honest hard working people, they are kept by us like children, let them do some chores to earn their allowance!

November 6, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blaze (anonymous) says...

It's just never been the same since Aladin's Castle closed.

November 6, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

OK, memory lane time. Citadel Mall must have opened right around 1980 or so? Being from quiet little Mt P, it was THE place to get your parents to take you in the early 80's. Spencer's, a video arcade (Aladdin's Castle, yes I remember the name), a movie theater, a toy store, the record shop (to buy cassettes), the food court, etc.

I remember thinking the fountain in the middle was so high end and fancy.

I haven't been there in a long time, maybe 7 or 8 years, though. Too far to drive when Mt Plastic has so much crap to buy if you want it.

November 6, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

poor

its a comment board no one but you cares about punctuation.
3 shootings in as many years doesnt strike fear in me and it shouldnt you guys,

the mall cant afford expensive upgrades if it has no shoppers. remember people progress and change cost money. money this mall loses when people let one random isolated shooting scare them

fear cant control our lives

if it did i wouldnt leave my home.
yesterday they found a man stabbed in the chest at the gate to west ashley park. i live beside that gate. well in those apartments. does that scare me hell no. i grew up off of remount road. back in the 80s it wasnt so bad. now its terrible
citadel and northwoods malls are safe go shopping people.

November 6, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

easytiger (anonymous) says...

Hey jca. How about you take an English class? Funny you call all of us stupid. YOU CAN'T SPELL. OR WRITE. OR PUNCTUATE.

Good luck to your husband. Unless something changes, he will be out of a job in a few years. People like me (and MANY others) will not spend our hard-earned money in a piece of crap mall whose "high-end" stores are Belk + Old Navy. What a joke...

November 6, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

boy i feel old i remember aladins castle as well it used to be where baja bistro is now. it closed in the last five years.
hubby and i used to go there and play games when i was pregnant. not having spencers gifts is no loss its a tacky and trashy smut filled store.

theres a toy store in there now well half toys half calanders in an old clothing store

point is the mall is safe

November 6, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

my husband wont be out of a job his company is going no where and their store i thriving. for as small as it is

they did 8000 last saturday alone.

be stupid live in fear tiger. its your loss. not theirs. they are still making money and alot of it.

people like you arent wanted any way

November 6, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ysillyme (anonymous) says...

Searialmooner~
I recall the Sen. Ford thing but my memory is it took about a year for Ford to realize he was blowing hot smoke. I also think the black guy just moved to Northwoods Mall in a settled lawsuit. There was more white shoppers though for a while.

November 6, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tallblonde (anonymous) says...

Cid95 - Shhhhhhhhhhhh - we have no shopping in Mt Pleasant - none - so no reason for anyone to travel over here to shop.....

November 6, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

One of the reasons I don't go to the mall anymore. If I need clothing I either go to King Street on a Sunday afternoon or I order on-line and have it shipped to my house.

I remember when I was a kid and living in Turkey we were at a mall with some friends of ours. Their kids wanted to go to the arcade so they told their parents and then left. My mom freaked out at me going with them since we were by ourselves, but they had to explain to her that it was perfectly safe. Over there, you didn't have to worry about where your kids were. You didn't worry about someone trying to rob you in the parking lot. There was no crime.

Why do we allow things like this to happen?

November 6, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

tallblonde....no shopping in Mt. Pleasant, but you do have rabid foxes, yikes!!

November 6, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tallblonde (anonymous) says...

turdblossom - sorry forgot about the rabid foxes - that's another reason for no one to travel over here to shop....
:) Thanks for the help!

November 6, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

Thank you to the gentleman who keeps the area around the bus stop clean. We should put the blame here where it lies - on the litterbugs who are inconsiderate and persist on throwing the garbage all over the place here. I'm sure that was a very frightening experience yesterday having to take cover while the shooting was going on! Yikes.

I think the problem with the bus stop is that it's proven TOO popular. Maybe need a few more benches and trash cans and enlarge the concrete pad so that the people waiting for the bus won't continue to kill the grass. Of course this isn't really the mall's responsibility. Perhaps a joint effort between CARTA and the city?

Thanks again for trying to keep this area clean. It is much appreciated!

November 6, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ashleyatwork (anonymous) says...

I dont get the article. 3 men, 1 shoots one in the leg and kills the third. Who are the 2 in custody? Who were the 2 running?

November 6, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

tallblonde glad I could be of help, do you have to have a visa to travel to Mt. P these days? I know they want us plebs from WA back over the bridge before sundown or it's a solid beating by a merciless crew of highly attractive, surgically enhanced, tennis playing trophy wives; and who could blame them ;)

November 6, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

the problem with the bus stop is too many buses at one time. many of the drivers are nasty. last Saturday i watched one walk off a bus go over to that tall tree whip it out and started urinating on the tree. i called carta gave them the bus name and number. im sure nothing was done about it.

you cant blame the mall itself for what the people who come in it do. its not fair to the stores and its employees. remember those employees have spouses and kids of their own to feed. most arent high school kids

November 6, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tallblonde (anonymous) says...

turdblossom - LOL - and people say we "trophywives" have nothing to do.... ;-)

I think the general concensus is to make the entire East Cooper area a "gated community"....so - visas wouldn't be required, but you'd need the PIN # for access....

November 6, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

katrenavantassle (anonymous) says...

One poster comments that she leaves her 5 yr.old at game stop to play games while she shops....
I detest women like this! It is 2008 and children are kidnapped and tortured all over the world. Why parents would leave a child unattended is beyond me. I wouldn't leave my dog unattended these days. Parents like this should have been sterilized before they gave birth. AND SPEAKING FROM THE EMPLOYEE'S POINT OF VIEW AT STORES WHERE PARENTS LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN...THEY ARE NOT BABYSITTERS FOR YOU WHILE YOU SHOP!!!!

November 6, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

The terms "highly attractive" and "surgically enhanced" should never be used in the same sentence. Fake boobs suck :) If I want to play with something man made, I'll go work on my old Chevy... which, by the way, won't ever be seen parked at the Citadel Mall :)

November 6, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jennirick (anonymous) says...

Posted by grannyofseven_2 on November 6, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

...and low life scumbags shooting guns to get there kicks because, they cannot get Viagra with their Medicaid

_________________________________________________________
I'm sorry Granny, I just read the article again. Can you point out where it says that these people were on Medicaid. And being that they're young, I would doubt that Viagra is an issue for them.

Now, back on subject. I go to Citadel mall, but mostly for Target. Though, I must admit, some of the people that frequent the mall are sketchy, to say the least. The biggest thing that worries me about this whole situation is the fact the this happened when they were leaving the mall. Which means the gun was inside the mall for who knows how long and this altercation could have easily taken place inside. Innocent bystanders could have been injured or worse.

November 6, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

kat i couldnt agree more but i see it daily in the video game stores in malls

i dont leave my 5 year old any where unattended

but many women do. i cant tell you how many times i here parents tell their kids the store employees will watch you its their job

no its not my husbands job to babysit your kids for free while you go over to old navy or target and shop take your kids with you.

mall employees are their to sell their companys merchandise not babysit

November 6, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

Point taken tallblonde and ColdBud, perhaps instead of a gate for East Cooper they should build a wall like Berlin did; I actually work in Mt. P so maybe I can take a joint East Cooper-WA citizenship deal!!

November 6, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

jenn

all that matters is that it didnt
i dont think the gun was in the mall as it happened in the parking lot and a car owned by one of the men was struck. the gun could have been in the car.

people carry concealed weapons all the time

at least they only hurt each other

we cant dwell on the could have happened

November 6, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

other then JC Penny and sears what other stores are there

November 6, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ColdBud (anonymous) says...

West Ashley as a whole is not too bad. There are some nice areas. The area around the mall is not one of them.

November 6, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

Anyone who remembers the disappearance of Adam Walsh should know that you don't leave kids unattended in malls.

Has anyone been to the South Park mall in Charlotte? That's a mall. We need something like that here.

November 6, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

gamestop old navy radio shack target
belks
theres a family christian bookstore
new yorkand company
2 different nail salons
champs i think there three foot lockers
journeys
best buy mobile
a place called 2nd street clothing
things remembered a camera store
zales
kay jewellers
not sure what else
oh hat world and a teeth bleaching booth thing

November 6, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

As I said, I have not been there in years it would be nice to shop where I only have to travel 45 miles instead of 85
Not being a smart arse, I really would like to know. For some reason I can't get Google it where it shows the stores

November 6, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ysillyme (anonymous) says...

Granny~
check the ad section in your local underground paper that caters to people of color, or try , now this is really silly, going inside and taking a look!

November 6, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

added ice a teen jewelery store claires
motherhood maternity
theres more i just dont know all the names

palmetto moon too

November 6, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jennirick (anonymous) says...

jca-

I will respectfully have to disagree with you on that one. As the mother of a four year old, I do have to dwell on the could have happened as well. I get your push for people to not live in fear, but honestly, we can't live with our heads in the cloud either. People do carry concealed weapons all the time, it's the ones illegally carrying concealed weapons that bothers me. I'm not going to stop going to the mall because of the "what could have happened," however; it does force me to look at the situation a little differently and to be mindful to be aware of my surroundings at all times. I don't only mean the mall though. The same could be said for anywhere else in the world nowadays.

But the way the article reads it sounds like when they were walking out of the mall, they got into an altercation. I could be wrong, just trying to take the article for what it seems to be saying.

November 6, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

granny try here its a link to the mall

http://www.citadelmall.net/shop/citad...

November 6, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

To be honest people I am sure that these two men were not out to hurt anyone but, some have no control. and, if they were at the mall and not working, it could be they were laid off. There are no jobs out there. Some of you know I work at a staffing place and I am telling people I have nothing for them. Some go place to place looking.Hell even McDonalds and the like are not hiring. Its very bad people.
How do we know that these two men were not looking for jobs at the mall?

November 6, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

jenn

i have a five year old so i know what you mean. i too am painfully aware.

mall security threw these guys out. they were causung trouble and being rude to people inside the mall. they had been in the store my husband works in prior to getting told to leave. they called my husbands boss some rude names and security was called. they left no issues. it started again in a different store this time they were told to leave the mall. these guys had been arguing over a girl. they all wanted. they were looking to harrass and cause trouble.

well they succeeded.

November 6, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

we dont know that granny your right

any mall stores are hiring help for the christmas season

my husbands store was one of them ntil last week

November 6, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

King St is the place to shop. Banana Republic, Tommy Bahama, M Dumas and Lacoste. Now if we could just get a Nordstrom.

November 6, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

ice
those places are too expensive for most anyone in charleston

i wish i could afford those places

November 6, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

Ok if all the stores I saw on that web site are there I will have to check it out. If it is, I will have to rent a chair if they have the rental place but I am very curious about it now.
Sorry people granny cannot walk very far, so have to get one if I intend to walk all over the place. Hey is Red Lobster still close by, damn miss going there as well.

November 6, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...

Why isn't everyone thrilled? The bad guys got shot, the survivors will probably get years of time in prison and a loyal public servant armed with a weapon saved the day before anyone who wasn't involved got hurt. It's a right wing fairy tale with a happy ending. The NRA will undoubtedly use this as an example of how great it is that someone was armed with a pistol in their magazine next month.

Low wages, guns, a culture of violence and authoritarian approaches to community produced the result everyone predicts. Conservatives can blame the people who ended up being hurt and if you're lucky, get a carry permit so you too can take guns to the mall. It's Republican paradise.

I'm a tree hugging, left wing liberal lawyer. I don't think we can shoot, lock up and tax cut our way back to a higher quality of life for the Lowcountry. I couldn't get elected dog catcher.

I don't think I'll be going to the mall either. They're all depressing. Whatever we really need as a community can't be found there. My family devotes our holidays to music, theater, cooking and singing now. It's cheaper, less stressful and more fun. The shopping was so depressing.

Conservatives tell me local liberals should just pack up and leave. I'm beginning to think they're right.

November 6, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jennirick (anonymous) says...

That just makes the situation that much worse. Is some girl, who either doesn't want any of them or is way too loose, worth a life and a lot of time behind bars? Sounds to me like they weren't "together" as the article leads people to believe. Maybe one or two of the guys kept following the other person trying to start a fight?

November 6, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Larz13 (anonymous) says...

Turd...sounds like you are talking about Ketner.

November 6, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

granny yes red lobster is still there and you can rent a chair right outside of babbages aka gamestop

November 6, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...

Good wj, one less lawyer to have around. See ya. Painting people with broad brushes that were the "cause" of this unfortunate incident is what you gripe about but turn around and paint all folks who lean conservative alike. Kudos. Nah it wasn't about the individuals at all though, it's all society's fault. Personal responsibility? Nah. Not a surprising observation.

November 6, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

jca, Not exactly. Charleston has a very good selection of high-end stores considering we're not a very big city. True, a lot is from tourists, but there are quite a few in the metro area who are well off.

With Banana Republic it's all about watching for the sales they have. The dress shirts I get from there normally run between $80-$125 at full price. I've gotten them at the end of season sales for as low as $20. If you watch the prices on-line you can get some great deals.

I miss the Helly Hansen store though. I'm surprised that they didn't do more business here considering all the marinas and culture around sailing.

November 6, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

Brooks Brothers. Always an excellent place for mens clothing.

November 6, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

i must miss those sales ice.

i dont go downtown too much. last time i was down there i was nearly mugged. and this was on broad street at 2pm my hubby and i were out for an afternoon stroll.and playing tourists

November 6, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

IronWoman (anonymous) says...

The mall, school, Burger King, trick-or-treating, .... is there ANYWHERE that we can go today where we don't need to fear that some lunatic has a gun on his belt, or under his jacket? I don't think so. Any public place unfortunatly isn't safe anymore. We can either live in fear of leaving our homes, or we can work to put these criminal AWAY PERMANENTLY. And does EVERY posting on here have to turn into a racial issue? That really gets old. Criminals are criminals, black, white, or purple.... who really cares. They need to be removed from society, ... and never let back in. Period.

November 6, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

IronWoman (anonymous) says...

Granny said "How do we know that these two men were not looking for jobs at the mall?". Oh yeah, .... everyone I know packs their pistol when they're going on a job interview. Whatever happened to being nicely dressed and bringing your resume????? I can't believe that was even typed. sigh.......

November 6, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

this world isnt safe your right iron

couldnt agree more on the not living in fear

if we lived in fear we wouldnt go anywhere ever not even work

those cars we drive can crash or be crashed into because of lazy careless drivers
we can get run over walking our dogs or getting the mail
my list could go on. life cant stop because some morons got into a fight

be thankful that officer was there and took down the shooter. no innocent blood was spilt

November 6, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

IronWoman maybe it would be safe in a church, Synagogue or wherever you worship. I do not know even at home you are not sure you can be safe

November 6, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

churches arent safe either

theres been several shootings inside churches. just hasnt happened here as of yet

no such thing as safe places your in danger even in your own home

November 6, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

Well for one thing iron I have had them come in here with dirty tee shirts blouses almost to the point of jumping out at you cell phones glued to their ears. In my business, which is staffing I take applications and I have seen it all so I think I have the experience to say HOW DO WE KNOW THEY WERENT LOOKING FOR JOBS. Thank you very much. I also have them coming in with the whole family and have other filling out there applications I have had them come in with hunting knives clipped to their belts. So anymore questions

November 6, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

I see your point jca about the mall needing funding to make improvements. I understand when someone said it was like using a bandaid. But in my experience if an establishment is updated, more upscale and well kept, unsavory characters tend to either behave or stay away. People will (in general) behave according to their surroundings. If you are say at a bar or with your buddies, you may behave differently than in church or visiting your Grandma. When I briefly lived in VA they had a great mall. It wasn't in an upscale area either. The high quality stores attracted higher end customers. They had Nordstroms,Abercrombie, Banana Republic,Coach,BeBe,Eddie Bauer,Johnston & Murphy,Godiva.... I could go on and on. The mall security there was AMAZING! I saw a guard ID a group of young girls to make sure at least one was 18 or over. They were under 18 and escorted out! I long for an upscale mall here. We are way behind the times on this one.
Oh BTW- my mall pet peeve is the unattended kids by the rides begging for money. No parents in sight.

November 6, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...

SIG AND SCNATIVE, I LOVE YOU AND GOD LOVES YOU. MAY GOD TOUCH YOUR EMPTY PATHETIC HEARTS. LET US ALL GROUP HUG! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

November 6, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Tides (anonymous) says...

Malls are not safe. Many people are carrying guns inside of them. Besides, Charleston City PD's Chief is more concerned about curb side peddlers and hugging illegal mexicans than he is protecting people. And that's a clear fact!!!!

Fire the Charleston City Police Chief! He is all wrong for your city!

November 6, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

coolbeans, I agree. They let them roam around and do anything. To them the mall is a babysitter.

I think it would be nice if the mall would establish a dress code policy.

November 6, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

cool

i agree with you but the high levels of crime in all of the lowcountry keeps those high end stores away.

its a loss for them to open here as there stuff would be stolen more than its sold.

its like putting a grocery store in the chicora/ cherokee area
its a loss for the company. you dont put nice stores in high loss areas. they are learning that with tanger outlets

November 6, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

ice
i couldnt agree more its soo gross seeing guys of all races pulling their pants up every two steps
and girls and women in clothes two sizes two small rolls of flab hanging every where. busting out of the top and bottoms of shirts. no bras and tight pants with thongs haning over them

if you see kids alone go into the nearest store and ask the employees to call security or take the child to the police station there in the mall or even call the cops

i know that babbages will call security for you. they have the ride station thing outside their store and video game demos on their consoles.

November 6, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...

JCA, I LOVE YOU AND GOD LOVES YOU TOO! WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN ME, SCNATIVE, SIG AND COOLBEANS FOR A GROUP HUG? READY? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

November 6, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Trust me jca, this mall was not in a low crime area. LOL It really shocked me when I first went.It's one of those things where if youre up to no good you don't go where you'll stick out like a sore thumb. You wanna loiter where you'll blend in and it's acceptable. For example there was another mall with lower end stores and needing of updating- guess where the thugs hung out? Wasnt at the nice mall, it simply wasnt accepted. I used to like Citadel Mall back in the day. I hope one day we will get something nice. We have a huge market for it here.

November 6, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...

WATCH THE SALES GO UP FOR AMERICAN FLAGS. I CAN'T WAIT TIL I GET PAID TOMORROW, I'M GOING DOWN TO THE RITE AID ON E-BAY AND CALHOUN AND BUY MY VERY FIRST PORCH FLAG. AND I'M GOING TO FLY IT PROUDLY. GOD BLESS AMERICA. COOLBEANS ARE YOU DOING OK. REMEMBER I LOVE YOU AND GOD LOVES YOU TOO!

November 6, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tcm3412 (anonymous) says...

Whocares, why don't you go back to slavery time. Its common knowledge.DAH!!!!!. Try the civil rights movement. DAH!!!!

November 6, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

I'm doing well MR_Pretty thanks for asking! I think it's awesome you're going to get a flag to fly. I think no matter who we were rooting for in the election, we are all very proud Americans right now. We have come so far.

November 6, 2008 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

too true cool

and we have a long way still to go

November 6, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

jca, What's really sad is when the parents are with them. I don't understand how any parent could let their child dress like that. To me that's almost a form of abuse.

November 6, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

If you build it...we will come!!

Someone mentioned earlier about West Ashley not even being able to attract a cinema. Wrong again! The Citadel Mall Cinema has been razed and is being replaced with a 16-screen cinema with IMAX capabilities. At least we're getting something decent.

November 6, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

it should be abuse i agree.
little girls should look like little girls
not mini skanks and whores who should be working spruill ave.

or little boys with two sizes two big pants off
teach kids some manners and how to dress. my son hates clothes that fit even a little loose

November 6, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

coolfreaknbean are you saying this mall in Va did not allow anyone under 18 to shop there with adults with them. And they were not sued for discrimination. I want to be sure I read your post right. Again not being a smart arse just thinking WOW would like to go there. Just to check it out.

November 6, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

when todd

i knew amc shut down northwoods and citadels theaters because the regal got all the business due to its up to date features

that would awesome to get a huge new theater over here
will it be an amc at least

November 6, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

I'm sorry if I wasnt clear Granny. The wouldnt allow UNATTENDED youths under the age of 18. In other words parents couldnt just dump their annoying kids/wanna be thugs off at the mall. They would allow a group of kids as long as one was at least 18 yrs old. So someone was held responsible. It was awesome! I wouldve hated it as a teen-LOL But times were different then. We knew to behave.

November 6, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

cool

sounds like you had a mother like mine. behave or not sit for a week. lol

my son is only 5 and he knows better than to throw a fit or walk off in the mall or anywhere

kids today have no rules manners or unbringing

November 6, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

geekboy (anonymous) says...

MR_PRETTY:

God just called. He said to tell you to turn off your damned Caps Lock, lest he smite you with a plague of rabid foxes.

November 6, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pumpkin79 (anonymous) says...

this is in reference to scnative's comment how stupid are you. What do you mean why do black people hate so much. That was the most ingorant thing I have ever heard. It was a shooting at a Mall. It doesn't include all black people

November 6, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

It would be nice to go to any store and do not have to be around kids that do not behave. Even in good old Wal-Mart, the parents come in and the kids scatter and I am talking kids 9, 10 and you see them in the toy dept the toys are all over the floor or you have them riding in the handicap carts. Or riding the bikes in the aisles
However, to get back to troublemakers is the malls you have them in other stores as well hanging out. some of our grocery stores have benches to sit on and late in the evening when you go there the kids are out there and they are yelling or (and I know this for fact) smoking dope with the people who working at the stores.
In addition, yes I do what know what it smells like. eww

November 6, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

That was the time jca when kids had respect for adults. You would fear(stranger or not) that someone would tell your Momma or Daddy if you acted up. I was raised being told to say yes ma'am and yes sir. If called and I dared yell what instead of ma'am...I'd be told "Don't "what" me, get in here" LOL I was told before leaving the house to "know where you came from". I tell my kids the same thing. Be respectful, mind your manners, know where you came from and I remind them their behavior is a reflection of my parenting. Boy....those were the days.

November 6, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

plagues of rabid foxes, young men's baggy pants, our pets heads are falling off....everybody put a bag over your head it's the end of the world....AAAA Alrighty then! Round up the ne'er do wells and ship them off to the middle east if they want to shoot people so badly. Enforced military service for able-bodied welfare recipients and loiterers!!

November 6, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

cool
as my son gets older he will be taught the same thing. he knows to say yes sir no sir or maam

he knows better than to what me already.

i will ring his neck if he ever acts like some of the kids i see in the malls walmart or even piggly wiggly

November 6, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ashley_Staten (anonymous) says...

This is for you JCA and everyone else who has placed judgment on Begondae Moore. I feel so sorry for your children. This was a man who served in the United States Air Force and has friends all over the world. He was funny and smart and would do anything for his friends and family.

How dare you speak about someone you know nothing about? I'm sure it was very hard for his fiance to go to the morgue last night to identify his body. Have you people no remorse or empathy for his family and friends.
Something has to be said about these racist, judgmental, ignorant pigs that have the audacity to call him a loser. He was murdered in broad day light while leaving the mall. He was 27 years old and luckily no children. His mother passed away recently and his fiance who is stationed there has to pick up the pieces and explained to his remaining family he's been murdered.

JCA you're probably some fat, lonely, uneducated, bitter, miserable woman who sits at home waiting for your husband to come home from his long hours at the mall where he checks out beautiful, young, thin women all day dreading closing time. Get a life lady!

You must all still be upset about Obama being elected president. President can change this country but he'll never be able to change the minds and hearts of people like you. God Bless you all.

R.I.P. Begondae "Moe" Moore:you will be missed.

November 6, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

ashley this is an opinion board
the man killed open fire on another man. he had also been in the mall looking for trouble.

i know what i was talking about. my husband and very good friend both work in the mall.
my friend was harrassed by these guys and were thron out of his store.

you want kind thoughts and comments go to his obit and look there you wont find them here

i also didnt say anything negative about this person.

November 6, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

also im not fat or ugly nor am i miserable or bitter i am very happy.

i am also educated. my husband flirts like all men do but he comes home to me and he doesnt dread it. he works two jobs so i can stay home with our son. i have a life and a good one.

i dont really care either way with regards to obama whats done is done

November 6, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

islandbenzbc (anonymous) says...

One less armed thug on the street thanks to the officer...well done!

November 6, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

geekboy (anonymous) says...

CATFIGHT!!!!!

November 6, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ashley_Staten (anonymous) says...

Maybe you should look over your comments.

November 6, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

jca, I miss the way retailing was done in Turkey. We had a mens clothing store over there that carried all kinds of nice things. When you went in you would sit down in a lounge area. In the winter you could sit next to a fireplace. They had a coffee table with the catalogs for all the major designers. The first thing they would do is bring out refreshments. Pepsi, hot tea, beer or wine was served. They'd also bring out pistachios. Next you would go through the catalogs and select what you wanted. They would make a few phone calls and quote you a price. You paid 1/2 up front, and 1/2 when your items came in.

The way they did it was to call the textile mills and place an order. What you were getting wasn't knock-offs either. It was the real thing since the clothing designers will foetn have items manufactured overseas. The textile mills would operate to capacity and compete on the export market. Anything that didn't get sold overseas was sold at home, and often sold at cost since the mill would pay taxes on the amount of inventory left at the end of the year.

The same Ralph Lauren oxford shirt or Lacoste polo shirt that would run $100 or more here could be bought there for $10. The stores were clean, the employees all well dressed, and the places usually had marble flooring. Relaxing music was often played and people made their children behave. People overseas are often horrified when they come here and see how parents let their kids misbehave.

November 6, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kontact (anonymous) says...

To all: Please dont allow yourself to think that this was an isolated incident that happened only at Citadel Mall. And please dont think that it wouldnt happen at Northwooods. Hate to do this but West Ashley is a whole lot better to live than North Chas. I live in a 250-450 area in north chas now but Im from west ashley. Cant wait to get back. When I tell people I live in North Chas only thing they think of is the Ghetto. WOW!!

granny-All both malls are is a place for these young bad kids to hang out so your right there is no need to even bother shopping there. White, Black, Asian, mixed (like your your great granddaughter). Im a youg black male and the kids drive ME crazy too. My daughter is a teenager and she is not allowed to go in the mall alone. Im not overprorected I just see for my own eyes what goes on there. And the clothing is unbelieable. All of these kids sag their damn pants. It ridiculous. saggin knows no one race either. I was like WOW when I saw the young white kids doing it (They scare me more than the black kids cause I can at least relate to the young black kids but the white kids that sag scare ME).
And northwoods mall is defintely worse. The kids hang outside at all times . Evrrytime I take my daughter there is a security car and officers outside everytime. Parents need to be held accountable (all parents ).

November 6, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

sounds very nice ice.

we need that here. but so many people want it now not next week.

no cat fight geek

i have better things to do than sink to an immature level

November 6, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

town center in mt pleasant isnt immune either

no where is safe from this kid of thing it can happen anywhere

November 6, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ashley_Staten (anonymous) says...

I won't waste anymore time with you. I don't want your life story, nor do I have to defend this awesome friend and man to you. God Bless

November 6, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

wasnt too awesome he drew a gun on someone instead of being the bigger person and walk away

November 6, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

geekboy (anonymous) says...

"no cat fight geek"

Darn, that's too bad... my money would have been on you.

November 6, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WhoCares (anonymous) says...

No turdblossom, I think the answer may be in improving education...and we need to begin by getting rid of inept teachers like Teach7775 appears to be. I'm very glad that my children didn't have someone like that teaching them racial hatred when they were in school! At the very least Teach is living in the past...I've not seen the KKK stringing up Blacks lately, has anyone else??? Yet that is exactly what Teach is implying (and probably teaching our young, impressionable youth). Is it any wonder that our Black children grow up hating or fearing whites??

November 6, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

sorry geek

all out of my system from this morning
trying to plan my evening tomorrow

November 6, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofseven_2 (anonymous) says...

he had a gun why? This, as jca said is for opinions your opinon is well noted Ashley_Staten. And like the mother in New york who tape her son beating to death another said when ask why? she said "my son is a good boy he isnt the kind of person to hate anyone he just got a little upset"

November 6, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

turdblossom (anonymous) says...

whoCares...I don't think I've once mentioned race in my postings; and you are right the education of our youth is important, but riddle me this, if two children go to the same school, with the same teachers and one ends up in Harvard, the other in the pokey where are we supposed to look next?....as for racists they are mentally defunct, idiots and shouldn't be tolerated at any level in any skin color

November 6, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

iceman1978 (anonymous) says...

kontact, I feel the same way. I used to live in N Charleston many years ago, then Goose Creek, now James Island. I wouldn't leave James Island for all the tea in China.

November 6, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PantherFan (anonymous) says...

JCA, I will leave your grammar and punctuation alone, although I feel that it would be irresponsible of me not to tell you that your comments might be taken a little more seriously if you edited them.

I must correct you on a point you made about Dick's Sporting Goods not being a part of the mall. The very same link you provided to Citadel Mall's web page lists Dick's among its stores. I doubt they would do that if Dick's isn't "part of the mall," as you say.

November 6, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blueline (anonymous) says...

One thing is for sure.....

The thug who started shooting won't be bothering anyone anymore.

November 6, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...

Shalom, the weather was so nice out today. God has certainly bless south carolina. this place is like a paradise. God bless everyone of you and your families. Shalom!

November 6, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RedHorse7 (anonymous) says...

Actually, JCA (no offense intended) punctuation would make your comments easier to read. There are numerous run-on sentences with no periods.

November 6, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toddb (anonymous) says...

In answer to jca's question about the new cinema, it's scheduled to open in June 2009 on the site of the former cinema. It's owned by Southeast Cinemas of Charlotte. You can check out their website for confirmation.

Hopefully the new cinema will be the start of some positive improvements for Citadel Mall. It sounds as if it's going to be really nice (leather, stadium-style seating, a bistro cafe, IMAX capabilities, Dolby, etc.)

It would go nicely with a new anchor tenant (Macy's, Nordstrom, are you listening??)

November 6, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wonderdog (anonymous) says...

common_sense_plz, I'm glad you're ok!

November 6, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jca (anonymous) says...

excellent thanks todd
sounds like one they have in hampton va. very cool

November 6, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CharlestonGamecockGirl (anonymous) says...

Now why would you think Black people are pissed because of their names scnative4ever? COME ON, I would rather be in total bliss and name my child Pilot Inspektor, Fifi Trixibelle, Sage Moonblood, Audio Science or Moxie Crimefighter (just to name a few non Black kids) and adopt Black babies from Africa! I f-in love it!!! LMAO!!!

November 6, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Teach7775 (anonymous) says...

How can we wipe the slate clean??? Press the reset button??? This is all depressing as hell....

November 6, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ashley_Staten (anonymous) says...

It is 2008 and some people refuse to change...that is depressing.

November 6, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

subexalted (anonymous) says...

Previous to these opinions, -which seem to uphold such vastly ignorant implications of how our race, youth, and culture are perceived by A LOT of the commentators- a man was shot and killed in a parking lot.

The least anyone can do upon reading this article is wish Begondae Moore's loved ones strength to grow past their personal tragedy.

For the people leaving such disrespectful comments; I should certainly hope if your friend or relative is murdered, others refrain from gloating about what stores are good and what needs fixing-up at his/her murder spot.

My best wishes, i'm terribly sorry to hear about your loss Ashley_Staten.

November 7, 2008 at 11:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )