Charleston's front porch
Obama is fond of our 'beautiful, restful' city
By Dottie Ashley , Robert Behre
Charleston has a special place in the heart of president-elect Barack Obama, as anyone who heard his victory speech Tuesday night could tell.
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Michelle and Barack Obama embrace following Michelle's speech on a porch at 21 King St. in April 2007. In Obama's acceptance speech Tuesday night, he talked of the places where he had spoken. One venue was 'from the front porches of Charleston.' The home at that time belonged to Ted Dintersmith and Elizabeth Hazard, who have moved to Seattle.
"Our campaign was not hatched in the halls of Washington. It began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and on the front porches of Charleston," he told the crowd of 1 million gathered at Chicago's Grant Park and millions more watching at home.
Obama spent a warm spring day on one of Charleston's most handsome porches during a campaign stop in April 2007.
He spoke to a crowd of 1,500 at Burke High School but spent much of the day at a fundraising event at 21 King St., home of venture capitalist Ted Dintersmith and his wife Elizabeth Hazard, who had moved here from Boston.
At least 150 people paid $1,000 each to dine on shrimp, rice and green beans with Barack and Michelle Obama in the courtyard and on the piazzas of their spacious home a few blocks from The Battery.
"It was truly astonishing," said Dintersmith, reached by phone in Seattle, where he and his wife and two children now live.
"Both Michelle and Barack were so gracious, and even though Michelle had to leave right afterward to fly back to Chicago, Barack stayed around for quite a while, signing his book for people and just talking," he said. "It wasn't like when everybody left, he turned into a different persona. He was just the same as when he was in public, very low-key, very nice."
Standing on their porch, Michelle Obama gave a speech in which she marveled at the home, saying, "Talk about the White House, I think this house is pretty terrific. I'd like to come back and spend the night!"
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When Obama later returned to Charleston, he spoke with Franklin Ashley, a College of Charleston professor and an early Obama supporter. He reminisced with Ashley about his first visit here, telling him, "Coming to that luncheon was a very important time for me because it was then that I thought if that many people from a place like Charleston would pay $1,000 to come have lunch with me, that I just might have a real chance to win."
He recently made known his fondness for the city again when he spoke with Mayor Joe Riley during a U.S. Conference of Mayors event in Miami.
"He was getting ready to talk to the mayors to discuss urban policies, and he said, 'You know Joe, I really love Charleston. It's such a beautiful and restful place. I look forward to coming back,' " Riley recalled.
Phil Noble, a member of the Obama statewide steering committee and president of the South Carolina New Democrats, said when Obama made his first stop in South Carolina — for a January 2007 rally in Columbia — he briefed Obama about South Carolina's political and cultural history. He gave Obama a Palmetto State tie.
"I also told him our state motto was: 'While I breathe, I hope,' " Noble said. "Barack's eyes lit up and he said, "Hey, I think I can use that some time.' "
Noble said he had been puzzled that Obama didn't make more use of it during his primary campaign here, but he heard it Tuesday night.
"This is our moment," Obama said. "This is our time - to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth - that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes we can."
David Agnew, a Charleston businessman who joined Obama's campaign early on, said that fundraising event on the Dintersmiths' porch proved to be a metaphor for Obama's campaign.
"There were blacks, whites, Republicans, Democrats and undecideds," Agnew said, "but most of all, after hearing Barack's and Michelle's speeches, all of them were fired up and totally ready to go."
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Cid95 (anonymous) says...
"Coming to that luncheon was a very important time for me because it was then that I thought if that many people from a place like Charleston would pay $1,000 to come have lunch with me, that I just might have a real chance to win."
A place like Charleston? Who are you calling "you people"!? Haha, joking. If I was a professional offence taker, I would be bothered by this line.
I also caught the 'Dum Spiro, Spero' line in his speech and, in addition to the Charleston reference, wondered whay SC got so much attention since we notably DIDN'T vote for him.
November 6, 2008 at 4:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
everyone likes Charleston Cid... even those that claim to hate it miss it as soon as they leave, and always return
this is a very beautiful area, some of the people aren't but the area holds it's own
November 6, 2008 at 5:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Lord knows I can write a some long winded stories about nothing, but this one's got me beat by miles.
I am pretty split on the Obama presidency, as my grand daddy would say "We'll see come Sunday".
Which means after he did some serious praying but not unitl he did a lot of thinking, watcthing and soul searching.
More about the Obama Moment http://cedarposts.blogspot.com
November 6, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dgb (anonymous) says...
From the arguments I heard yesterday at work there will probably be another civil war.
November 6, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
dgb..
I realize we are in an era of hope and change but I'm not going to change my views for the sake of national unity. When I see something wrong, I will use my first amendment rights. I realize the liberal/socialist like to control information and free speech but Karl Marx was not one of those ideologues that influenced our founding fathers.
November 6, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
counterpoint (anonymous) says...
DGB, I hear you - at least now we'll be able to afford it!
:)
November 6, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
OH, PLEASE Spankerbuns - The State of South Carolina voted Republican by the same landslide margin that your bubba won in America. But then like a good little Socialist you feel the urge to continue the Liberal lie. A lot of Democrat Party welfare slaves living in Charleston County are in for a rude surprise.
I tell you what, go stand in the corner and hold your breath, and wait for all the money promised by your bubba.
November 6, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tulane75 (anonymous) says...
Riptide-When you see something wrong you should speak up! Whatever difference you may have with the new administration, you have the right to speak up, just as you have the right to counsel in a criminal case, the right not to incriminate yourself, protection against unreasonable search and seizure and the right to Due Process of law, among others.
Unlike the present administration that wiretapped Americans without warrants, among other violations, the new administration, as you suggest, should be more vigilant in adherence to Constitutional protections.
I will also speak up when I disagree with the new administration and I am pleasantly surprised that you and I stand together on the need to constantly guard the many constitutional protections we Americans enjoy.
November 6, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Don't blame me I voted for the old guy and "THE HOT CHICK"!
January 1, 2011...... the clock is ticking.... 420 days and counting till the largest tax increase
in American history!
November 6, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Maybe he was talking about Charleston, West Va.
November 6, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MyMcClellanville (anonymous) says...
I was going to say the same thing Larz...he should have said something like "Springfield" or "Greenville" since there are a lot more of those...well actually he can say about anything he wants now because he's got the job and I'm sure we'll start seeing the campaign promises being broken just as soon as the media stops all the "historic election" and MLK videos they've been preparing for the past year.
November 6, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by rgr75thlrrp on November 6, 2008 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Charleston sucks, just plain and simple.
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So don't you, just plain and simple.
November 6, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
echo (anonymous) says...
The author of this article didn't mention the photographer who has been with him since the start of his campaign who lives in Charleston - Skirt did an article on her. Can't remember her name, but she's pretty much with him 24/7 sounds like.
November 6, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
WOW!!! Charleston county did go for Obama. Look at the map on the front page..click on our state, and it will show you all of the counties that went blue!! That's exciting, and surprising. Good for South Carolina!
November 6, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
Wow Obama won Charleston. Did he win the state???
I just hope Comrade Obama returns to Chraleston soon to personally hand out sickles and hammers to everyone.
Also does anyone know when we will be getting our checks to pay for our house payments and gas??? Maybe liberaltime knows.
Vote Democrat - it beats working.....
November 6, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AFWally (anonymous) says...
After we pay the legal fees for the fraudulent banking exec's, pay for the bailout itself, pay for GM, Ford, Chrysler and our outstanding loans to the Communist Chinese.... Obama won't have any money left to pass out
November 6, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BreezinIAm (anonymous) says...
Re: "... largest tax increase in American history!"
Throw some pluff mud where it belongs.
I was going to remind you of the ballooning U.S. deficit gratis W, but, whoops, the National Debt Clock in New York ran out of digits last month.
It looks as if the 2009 budget deficit could be close to $2 trillion, or 12.5 percent of GDP.
What precisely would you do?
November 6, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsPiggy (anonymous) says...
LMAO at AshleyRiver!! hahahahaha! Oh my gosh, that's funny as crap.
November 6, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by rgr75thlrrp on November 6, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yird...screw u.
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Screw yourself, raise your own bastards.
November 6, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Riptide,
You are more than welcome to criticize the up and coming president, this is one of rights and freedoms of living in this country.
But I have received allot of criticism (from conservatives) on this site for criticizing our current president, being called un-American and so on when doing so.
So, I wonder how much these same people will practice what they preach.
November 6, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
rgr75thlrrp- if thats the best come back you can come up with then you might want to reconsider posting things on this thread. It only makes you look like a fool.
And check me if I am wrong but I don't think someone is holding a gun to your head and telling to stay here. If you don't like it leave. Go back to Ohio, they have plenty of room..
November 6, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dhalfen (anonymous) says...
I'm from Baltimore, and I _love_ Charleston, too. I think I'd prefer living in any of a _number_ of homes in Charleston rather than the White House. (And getting around the city is a great deal easier than navigating the labyrinth of DC. ;-) The Obamas have good taste!
November 6, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Judging from your post Liberaltime, I assume you think the civil war was about race? You might want to enroll in a history class.
November 6, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Posted by BreezinIAm on November 6, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: "... largest tax increase in American history!"
Throw some pluff mud where it belongs.
I was going to remind you of the ballooning U.S. deficit gratis W, but, whoops, the National Debt Clock in New York ran out of digits last month.
It looks as if the 2009 budget deficit could be close to $2 trillion, or 12.5 percent of GDP.
â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'â-'
....And so on top of that you want to add the largest tax increase in American history????
A tax increase set in motion by Peloski, Reed, Obama, Dodds and Barney Frank, a time bomb set to go off 01/01/2011.
November 6, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beefsaver (anonymous) says...
Cid95, you may recall not the general election but the primary way back in time. South Carolina chose Barack and John as the best candidates for their respective parties... thus setting a tone for the rest of the South and the nation in general. I doubt that either of them will forget that.
Notafan, while you lament the difficulty in making mortgage payments and filling up the tank, I can't help but notice the person running the country is from the GOP. When gas rallied up to $4/gallon... it was the same deal. By some shoddy logic, you look at the hard facts and assert that the Republican party that led the country face-first into this mess still deserves the same credit to try again.
I love Big Mac, but George Bush beat John McCain out of the white house for the second time. If he had been, I dunno, a little more fiscally conservative instead of building debt like a drunk coed with a MasterCard, perhaps folks would still trust the GOP to live up to its promises. We now have four years to figure out whether the Dems can do any better.
November 6, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hotchick (anonymous) says...
Shrimp, rice, and green beans! For $1000? They must have loved Obama, 'cause they sho' got gypped if they thought they were getting expensive fare.
I'm off the presidential political bandwagon. Obama won fair and square, so he has my support and my prayers. Now, to quote the guy on Saturday Night Live regarding the current economic crisis - - FIX IT!
A friend of mine, however, is up in arms about the whole thing and asked me if they were going to change the name of the White House...
November 6, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
robbybobby (anonymous) says...
does this mean we are no longer officially a "racist" nation? will france like us now? how about a UN resolution to that effect? can we get that in writing? maybe barney frank can sign it. Remember - we elect idiots every once in a while to remind us of why we don 't do it more often. You know the ones - carter, bubba and now the big O. Lot of noise, nothing significant.
November 6, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Ft. D Mom - You are so right and I'm kinda surprised but, on the other hand maybe it's no surprise.
If you look at many local races not just in Charleston but across the south, the democrats picked up a lot of votes just because.
Could be first time voters? Could just be the Obama moment?
Or maybe people have just had enough of Bush?
November 6, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
leeson6868 (anonymous) says...
Does everyone realize that the Senate and House have been controlled by the Democrats the last few years? It's funny how everything has been blamed on the GOP.
November 6, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MongolianReversal (anonymous) says...
Of course he loves South Carolina - it's full of freeloaders who want to blame everyone but themselves for their lot in life.
Hide your wallet!
November 6, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MongolianReversal (anonymous) says...
Or how about the House Finance Committee that has responsibility for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? The committee has a Democratic majority and is chaired by Barney Frank, another Democrat.
As recently as July of 2008, Barney was on CNBC saying how he was confident the future of Fannie and Freddie was "STRONG." Two months later, they collasped.
I'm sure Barney's openly gay relationship with one of their exectutives for ten years didn't cloud his judgment or ability to manage.
November 6, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
freedomtolive (anonymous) says...
why is it always about the color of his skin... sometimes i wish the world were blind.
November 6, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
I read a comment, that might give some posters something to think about. There is reason to thank president Obama even if you voted for McCain.
"During the next four years, with both a democrat controlled house and senate, President Obama can pretty much push through anything he wants.
So guess what? Your crack heads, your unwed mothers, your welfare cheats, drug dealers, drive by shootings, even the vast number of young black men in prison .... it's all going to be taken care of, because there is a black man in charge and he's the one ya'll need to take it up with.
In short ya'll can't blame Whitey anymore!
We are free at last, the chains of slavery that we have dragged around shackled to us for over 100 years as penitence have finally been removed, there is No color barrier in this country and electing Barrack Obama proves it!"
November 6, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
420 Days?????
I'm no mathmetician, but there are a hell of alot more than 420 days until January 1, 2011. I count closer to 785 days. That was a quick count and may be a day or two off, but 420??????? Is that a new Republican math that's going around???
November 6, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
The senate and house have been controlled by democrats for the oast 2 years. Before that, congress was controlled by GOP from 1994-2006.
November 6, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
786, you were pretty close..... Not too shabby.
November 6, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Mongolian, I certainly hope you don't live in SC. If so, shame on you.
All the petty comments are as ridiculous as usual.
November 6, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Riptide,
please don't change for the sake of this historic presidential election? There's always room for a bitter, crusty, old fart in this great country of ours? Besides everytime you make a post the majority of us get a laugh so please don't stop I need chuckle everyday from ya?
BTW try and have a blessed and successful next 4 years cause "change it's a cummin' master!
November 6, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dgb (anonymous) says...
Mongolian, I hope you do live in S.C. Sounds like some people don't want to here the truth.
November 6, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cwmcpa (anonymous) says...
Come on folks, we have a new president and he deserves the same amount of respect that Hollings, Clyburn, Pelosi, Daschle, Kennedy and Spratt showed Bush when he was elected.
November 6, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
cwmcpa, I love the comment. Priceless!
November 6, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GeecheeBoi84 (anonymous) says...
CedarPosts, "no color barriers"???? Just cuz Obama made it, doesn't mean racism and color barriers don't exist. Listen to the fools in these P&C forums, racism is alive and well. But racism is never an actual problem, unless the racist party is in power and their views can control/effect the ability of others. Obama will be president, but that won't do anything for the racist employers, police, county and state judges, etc. that still control things in "their world"... Unless of course, every one of those cases makes it to the Supreme Court.
November 6, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
If the relationship between Barney and the exec had not been OPENLY GAY, would that have made a difference? What if it was SECRETLY GAY? or OPENLY STRAIGHT? or SECRETLY STRAIGHT?
November 6, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lisa_ham (anonymous) says...
Once again South Carolinians have shown to the nation exactly how divided we are as a state by the hateful messages and comments I've seen in the paper. The nation has spoken and has elected Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States of America. It doesn't matter if you agree with the decision or not the reality is the decision has been made. He will be the reigning president for the next 4 years. For those who chose to hatefully not acknowledge this man as your president he will rule this country with or without your support. How can you consider yourselves Americans if you don't support your President. Now that's unpatriotic!!!!
For those of you who feel the need to attack individuals through an online forum, it's really unfortunate that you have that much hate in your heart for a group of people that you know nothing about. (especially individually) I will continue to pray for ALL of you. God Bless your souls!!!
November 6, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Halfsheli - In November 2006, before the elections, the average price of gas in the US was $2.20. This continued to rise hitting an all time time high of approximately $4.11 in July of this year.
November 6, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Liberaltime:
You said..."the electorate overwhelmingly endorsed and voted for a black man in favor of white man." I think you meant in favor of a black man but I am not commenting on writing skills today :)
I would like to think people voted for the man because they thought he was actually qualified to do the job not because he was born black.
It has become way too obvious based on what I hear and read that most based their vote on skin color. That is sad.
I think it is GREAT that the USA has put a black man into such a high office - the highest in the world - I just don't know if THIS was the right black man for the job.
Time will have to tell on this one.
November 6, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
I reckon if Obama doesn't live up to the expectations of his worshipers it will be because he was not black enough.
Jessie, prepare a new batch of one liners and get ready for 2012!
November 6, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
thank you, lisa_ham.
dgb, the truth is that closed-minded people like you & Mongolian are not seeing the whole truth. sure, there are freeloaders in this state... there are in EVERY state. but this liberal woman is where she is because of the path she chose - college and now running a business working 60 hours a week. not all liberals are on welfare, nor do all of us want or ever expect to be on it.
November 6, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wjhamilton3 (anonymous) says...
South Carolina should take advantage of the high regard our next President has for the people here. Following the Republicans down the right wing rabbit hole won't bring jobs or investment to our area. I've returned from Pensacola, FL where I joined 6000 out of state attorney's for the election as well as an even larger group of Florida attorneys. If people don't believe Obama believes in work, you've never worked for an organization he leads. Results, discipline, communication, initiative, the Obama army of 200 thousand people in Florida never let up.
I also got a close up view of what happens to conservative coastal communities that place their whole bet on retirement, tourism and real estate development. We don't want to end up like the Florida coast. Tax base is declining, many of the good jobs are gone, a large aging population is running out of money while it's needs increase, talent flees, services get cut, libraries, parks and community centers are closed and the cops get violent. Kids leave and don't come back. Even the Republicans told me they were in a lot of trouble.
It's a clear warning. We're ten years behind them. We had better make some adjustments.
November 6, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Geechee - just tossing the darkside a bone.
Shoelaces - two things yes some ppl voted for Obama because he was black, but it took the other 2/3 of voters who pushed the Obama/Binden button to get him elected.
And another thing, I'm all for yelling USA! but knock it off with the hubris "high office - the highest in the world" mini me complex. Part of the reason I don't travel overseas is ppl hate American's and that sort of thinking is part of the reason.
November 6, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MongolianReversal (anonymous) says...
Facts are facts. Whe the state is annually dead last or near the bottom in metrics such as high school graduation rates, teenage pregnancies, crime per capita, welfare birth rates per capita, etc., what kind of folks do you think are conintually being pumped into the population pool? Overachieving, hard working, go getters?
November 6, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
guided and others...
Well I don't have a problem wire tapping an enemy agent and since I haven't seen any lawsuits or violations of wire tapping on the any American citizens then I just see that as a liberal anti-Bush talking point.. Don't get me wrong, I don't any problems of people being anti-Bush. I'm against Bush on a lot of things but I'm more anti-liberal than anything else.
Barack's first priority is to put extreme limits on information. No doubt he and the liberal congress will initiate legislation to minimize the influence on talk radio. The Fairness Doctrine or possibly some other similar form of legislation. Fox news is troublesome and they may past legislation to regulate the cable channels to put Fox News on the most expensive premium channel possible. Then the internet will be next. There are a lot of creative ways to put limits on freedom without abolishing freedom completely.
The redistribution of wealth is the next priority. The 401k retirement plans is now on the radar screen. This is a huge amount of wealth that can be placed into the failing social security system. I'm not sure if they can do this but after watching at the illegal alien issue, I got a feeling they can do anything. Raising our taxes and increasing government spending will be next.
The list can go on and on and on. I'm sure most liberals will put a happy face on this index of misery and at times they will agree to disagree. My main point is that the government has no right to take my money or place limits on my freedom and liberties.
I will keep excersizing my rights until it comes to an end. You have a nice day.
November 6, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Jane; your posts are excellent and factual but excellence and facts are of little importance to the mindless disciples of disaster.
November 6, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
yes bulldog, but exactly what marvelous, wonderous things did the GOP congress accomplish?
my point is that it's not a partisan thing. it's a politician thing. yet, most of you (i voted anti-incumbent!) voted for incumbents when they have all shown that they are inept at running this country.
anyway, the gas prices in this country are only appalling beacuse we've had it so easy for so long. now we are just like every other counrty that pays more for gas.
November 6, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Shoestring,
I agree that it's wrong for anyone to vote for a person by the color of their skin only and not by their qualifications BUT the 43 presidents prior have been white, so are you saying that because a different color person who was in postiton for the highest job would be an automatic vote for?
It would appear that the majority of folks who voted for President Obama saw his color, understood his educational background (#1 in his class at Havard Law School), his skills, and qualifications and his unwavering ability to control the negativity from the "Right". I demand that my President shall be smarter than me and my wife. President Obama is! Does he represent a far more diverse group of Americans, Yes! Will he do everything correct, No? Is he the best hope of moving this country in a more positive direction than Bush, YES, YES, YES1
75 days and counting down
November 6, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
There ya go MongolianReversal talking sense...Good post
From the poster who stated " The president shall be smarter than me..." So what? Smarter than you so you can
hang on his every word and not think? Not much better than the McC/Palin folks by a long shot. What a stupid comment BTW.
November 6, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
laine61 (anonymous) says...
Thank you lisa_ham and hightide!!!
November 6, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
I voted for the best choice, in my opinion, for each position. Exactly what I think that everyone should always do. I would love to see names removed from the ballot and give on the candidate's platform. Vote on the platform so that at least you can say that you voted your beliefs.
So from what I read in your post, you vote for someone new in every position... Did you take time to research them and find out if they were qualified or capable of doing the job? I am seriously asking.... I hope you did.
November 6, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sheeple (anonymous) says...
People paid $1000 to eat dinner with Obama, who accepted their money? Shouldn't they all have been "spreading that wealth around" by giving their money to the people they want to give my money to?
Vile hypocrites, all of 'em.
November 6, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
msplacedinsc - Most presidents are Political Science, History, or Law School students. It is my prayer that they are not smarter than me. However, if you are happy with them being smarter than you so that you don't actually have to make any decisions for yourself, then I would say that you will always find that to true, no matter who the president is.
And remember, the student who graduates first in Law School (although I've never seen any proof that Obama graduated first) is not necessarily the smartest, but rather the one that was best at regurgitating the opinions that were feed to them by the professors. Usually the people with their own ideas don't do very well in school.
November 6, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missing_Home (anonymous) says...
"Burglar, takes no chances and wears 2 masks"
What am I reading? "the Onion".
November 6, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReasonSpeaks (anonymous) says...
Riptide: "Well I don't have a problem wire tapping an enemy agent"
This seems to contradict your otherwise Republican viewpoints. You and I actually agree on a lot of things (believe it or not) and one of them is that the government should be small and stay out of our private lives. While I agree that the U.S. should protect its citizens as best as possible, things get blurry when you ask the question, "How do we know if this person we are wire-tapping is a true threat?" It's a slippery slope and allows the gov't to justify wire tapping (or other invasion of privacy) for any citizen. This is not a criticism, so please don't get defensive, I'm just curious how you reconcile that with you're other tenets.
Jane: I have not heard that Obama was #1 at Harvard Law, but it is public record that he was Magna Cum Laude, which is quite exceptional given the competition. I have not heard about him getting Cs at Occidental, though I doubt it given that he was able to transfer to Columbia. (New York, that is... not SC.)
November 6, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
efig and minority south, i want to change my ways!. from now on i'm not goint to follow up these racist scum bags that constantly write hate on these blogs. instead i will stay the course...........i mean i will ignore them and write nice things. i won't lump all white people in the same boat anymore. i now realize that these people are a cancer to sc as well as the country/world. I want to thank all the white people that voted for truth and justice and for the better man. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE BAD! NOW I UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE A LOT OF WHITE PEOLE THAT WILL HELP YOU AND THEY ARE NOTHING LIKE SOME OF THESE IDIOTS. I can indure the nasty blogs about my people from these racist poor whites, because i now know that they are just pathectic and life has not been to good for them. I want to apologize to all the good white folks for my past post which may have seem mean and ugly. I was never that kind of person. I just have a sensitive side that i have always had trouble controling. i get mad very easy. but now i know that together we can make this a better country. the people that are still full of hate will one day be a memory. thank you all for making my life and the life of my kids better. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. AND MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!
November 6, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
wj, great observation on the decline of the Florida coastal regions. This place will not be too far behind for sure.
November 6, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Joejackal (anonymous) says...
Other mportant time was also invested locally in South Carolina by Obama. Let us not forget that he and the former Democratic nominee of 2004 Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts quite purposefully selected Charleston as the place that Kerry endorsed Barack Obama's candidacy prior to the Democratic primary earlier this year. This event occurred at the Cistern on the College of Charleston campus. Given Charleston's role regards this nation's race challenge, what an expected turn of events magnified by its irony. To which was added as another irony of juxtaposition, the modern Internet website of YouTube utilized as a forum from which to gather submitted questions from bloggers to primary candidates at a Democratic debate held at the Citadel, again here in one of the oldest of American cities. Obama subsequently won that primary in the first of Southern contests. This is the silver lining of our part in this historic opportunity to reject rigged elections realized and move toward the meritocracy to which the Founding Fathers aspired.
November 6, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
yes. i did research. i read, listened, and then voted according to what i believe will benefit me and my family as well as the other citizens. to be fair. there were two or three incumbents in local races such as coronor (i think wooten has done an acceptable job, and don't feel that there is any reason for her replacement) that i did vote for.
it is a complete mystery to me how so many people just vote the straight party ticket.
November 6, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bythebookbaby (anonymous) says...
Next time around I really hope we have two black candidates running so America can vote on the issues and NOT skin color!!
November 6, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Well bulldog, so you believe your smarter than President Barack Obama? Give me a minute............................
Ok, I'm back I couldn't reach the key's from the floor with the laughter from your post. Tell us "doggie" where did you go to school? Please tell us truth (something "W" couldn't do in his 8 years at the post?) Since your sooo smmarrtt, turn off the cartoon channel and search on the internet for President Barack Obama's Bio and see he was Magna Cum Laude from Havard University in Cambridge, Mass. BTW his wife First Lady Michelle Obama also received her diploma from Harvard Law School?
Now my wife and I are both college educated, she's a physcian (a real doctor in a real hospital) and I am in the Developement business with a degree in Construction Management and a degree in Architecture. We both believe we are fairly intelligent but I'm sure there are others out there (like yourself who are smarter than we are and President Obama?)
So's we'z think, we'z make good decizions for'z r selves, but it'z tuff u,no? We'z maid a thoght 2 daz a go whenz we'z pussh a buton fer Prezident Barack Obama, causz hez' knot brite, u,r?
November 6, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
For those Conservatives who need a little Pick me up before the big fight starts for 2010.
Liberals, well you just should read the words of Obama the merciful, and lavish in what they mean to You.
#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7-e6Yhu5SU&feature=related
November 6, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
Who cares. NOTHING can ever change the truth that Obama is a radical racist anti american whackco. Nothing at all.
He is not even a a real "black" man. He is half white. He would not even release his birth certificate, and the Governor of Hawaii put a seal on the same.
The USA is finished. Get used to it. ACORN and the rest of the corruption has turn the USA into trash.
Russia and China Rule now. They laugh at your messiah. The USA is finished. Washed up. Corruption won again. The laws are nothing to these pukes.
November 6, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
No one's forcing anyone to stay in this country...
November 6, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MR_PRETTY (anonymous) says...
TIDES, I LOVE YOU AND GOD LOVES YOU TOO! GROUP HUG. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
November 6, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Tides, it seems you've gotten confused by all the lies that you've been told. Obama isn't a radical and he certainly isn't anti-American.
His birth certificate has been released, and it's clearly genuine.
Look, it's all well and good to pull for one candidate over another, but when your choice loses the election you just have to grow up and accept it. Not getting your way isn't an excuse to slip into a fairytale land of delusions where massive conspiracies and evil, shadowy figures cause all of your woes.
If you really think that the country is in so much trouble right now then maybe you should think about starting your own political career. That would be a great deal more productive than spending your days whining and telling lies.
November 6, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Newt - amen... especially to the last line!
November 6, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Michellebonneau (anonymous) says...
exorcist pencocky4u , why do you waste so much time breathing with the hate you have in your heart, but I want you to realize that your kind use welfare also. If you should die today I pray your soul don't end up in hell, but you do have time to change (YES YOU CAN)
November 6, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MongolianReversal (anonymous) says...
Obama got elected running down the center but his far left radical views will soon take over. First up, selecting Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff. Emanuel is known in Washington for being as far left as one can get, backed with an arrogance and ego matched by none. And who can forgot him memorbale quote; "All republicans can go f__k themselves."
Who's your next pick Barack? Bill Ayers for Secty of Denfense? I undertand he has some weaponry knowledge.
And how about Rev. Wright for Secty of State? Oh I forgot, despite attneding his church an admitted four to five hundred times over the past 20 years, you never heard this loons anti-USA antics. You must have entered through the back door as well, as the lobby of this church sells this nut case's cd's and videos blasting this garbage.
November 6, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Well, congratulations on your degree msplacedinsc. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Mr. Obama is smarter than you and your wife. Well, actually it's not always the fool who babbles, but the one who believes the babble that is the true fool. Anyway, to answer your question, YES, after listening to Mr. Obama during his campaign, I CERTAINLY think I am smarter than him. WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!! I don't care if he graduated Magna Cum Lordy... I will support him now because he is my president, but I will hope and pray every day that he is not able to accomplish all of the things that he promised during his campaign. I am not a huge fan of Bush. I liked some of his decisions early on, but to tell you the truth, I think there are a LOT of people out there smarter than him. Grades are not always proof of someone's intelligence. And since you asked, I recieved my undergrad from the Citadel, where I graduated with a 3.9 GPA in Civil and Environmental Engineering. I recieved my ME (Master's in Engineering)from MIT, as well as my Doctoral Degree.
November 6, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
msplacedindc: If BulldogTLC is telling the truth about his education, we certainly can't lump him in with the rest of the right-wing, religious-freak, ignorant bunch. Engineering from MIT? Quite impressive. Unlike Jane, I don't need to know his grades to know it takes brains to graduate from that program. Based on the quality of his writing, though, I have my suspicions. Then again, enginerds are not known for their writing skills...
So while we can argue about who is more intelligent, a Harvard Law grad or an MIT Engineering grad, what is not up for debate, is that Palin is barely functional. I just read this (and please note the source):
"Fox News reports that Palin didn't know Africa was a continent and did not know the member nations of the North American Free Trade Agreement -- the United States, Mexico and Canada -- when she was picked for vice president."
Even Dan Quayle is reading that going, "REALLY?!?!" Not surprising that she is an enthusiastic creationist and "abstinence only" advocate.
It's been said before: The problem is that the dumb don't know what it means to be smart because they've never been.
November 6, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPFROM843 (anonymous) says...
yall are such racist and rednecks dont forget the man is half white and raised by his single white mother
November 6, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Trust me, I do not think I am smarter than him because of my education, I think I am smarter than him based on his ideas to "save" the country. And I am telling the truth. My writing skills may not be up to your standards, but I'd be willing to be bet I can "outmath" ya! ;-)
November 6, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
msplacedinsc; wrote, search on the internet for President Barack Obama's Bio and see he was Magna Cum Laude from Havard University in Cambridge, Mass. BTW his wife First Lady Michelle Obama also received her diploma from Harvard Law School?
I didn't know Obama and Michelle were president and first lady already.
Enthusiasm overshadows accuracy once again.
I wonder were the notion that only those with a piece of paper attesting that they completed whatever program, at whatever school, somehow had the market cornered on brain power?
With all the education that you and your physician wife have acquired, it would seem that you'd be slightly suspicious of a web site that so willingly provides information (assumed to be gospel truth)about a man's academic achievements while so much about the man is kept from the prying eyes of the public.
Bill Ayers, who walks around with a red star on his shirt is more than just a casual acquaintance of Obama but this gives you no pause for concern?
His association with his racist preacher and convicted felons is of no consequence to you either?
Amazing!
I was taught that the company one keeps is generally a good bench mark by which to judge a person character.
Lacking the proper papers It's possible I was taught incorrectly.
Please enlighten me.
November 6, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
BulldogTLC: No doubt you could out math me!
However, I take exception to your conclusion that you are smarter than Obama because of his political philosophy and ideas. (There's a whole different discussion on the definition of "smarter" for another time.)
In the most basic sense, there are two major political philosophies in this country: 1) small government, laissez-faire capitalism (Republicans - at least what we used to be) and, 2) bigger government with intervention to support those who need help and to keep business from taking advantage of the little guy (Dems). Of course, there are variations of every kind in between.
You can believe (in italics) that one philosophy is better than the other. But the reality is that history has proven that neither side has shown itself a clear winner. If history has shown us anything, it's that both philosophies have their place under certain conditions, i.e. the Dems' way after the Great Depression, and the Repubs' way in the 50s and 80s. Both can be successful under the right conditions.
So you can say that you think Obama's plans won't work, but you can't say you know because plans like his have lead to prosperity in the past. It has nothing to do with whether Obama and his ideas are intelligent and everything to do with political economic philosophy.
In this election we, unfortunately, didn't have the choice between the two major philosophies; we had a choice between big government redistributing money into the hands of the middle class and BIGGER government reditributing the money to the wealthy. I chose the former.
November 6, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kontact (anonymous) says...
Jane- Calm down , I even got your back on this one. Farrakhan 'is' a racist. But you are too.
On a serious note--I feel very very uncomfortable at work today, yesterday was so much worse too. The election is over and my coworkers treating me like Im the one stole the money out the cookie jar. WOW. This black president thing has a lot of people a lil shoke up right now. I hope this passes soon cause I cant deal with the silent treatment.
November 6, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
WhatMeWorry; Wow, your so brilliant, as exemplified by your nomdeguerre.
Do you have papers?
November 6, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Nonsense (anonymous) says...
A lot of the racists that I know are not white.
November 6, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
Is Youtube a reliable source??hahahaha. Jane makes me smile. Everyday a new, psychotic episode to witness...makes my day. My teenagers look at stuff on Youtube.. I don't consider that a reliable source..jeez, do you really think that youtube has the inside scoop..and the rest of the world missed it?? hahahaha. Hilarious!
November 6, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jane, Jane
Go away
Your stupid posts
Will never sway!
November 6, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
Jane,
Perhaps you should re-read several posts of the evil liberals. I have seen many of the "racist" or "redneck" defenses that you write of, but there are also MANY that provide thoughtful and provcative arguments. You simply choose to discount them because they contrast your own ideas and beliefs. That doesn't take away the relevance and validity of the arguments.
November 6, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
Jane says, "WWII got us out of the Depression"
Jane, you're showing your age (and your lack of intellect). Were you and a young John McCain watching the first Betty Boop talky cartoon together back then?
November 6, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
kontact- I'm so sorry to hear that you are being treated that way. It's ridiculous. Our new president will be O'Bama. As Americans we need to pull together and celebrate how far we've come as a nation.Whether we voted to O'Bama or not- this is very exciting. I did tell someone yesterday that I wished I like O'Bama or agreed with his views. Because I don't like him, I can't really celebrate as much as I'd like to. (If that makes sense) Damn! Why couldnt a conservative black won the presidency?! I'd be in heaven! LOL
November 6, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
videos can be edited... and youtube is no "source" of valid information.
November 6, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
Reason:
I seriously doubt the government would want or have the resources to listen to any of my boring conversations or that matter listen to anyone on this forum. There are sleeper cells in this country as we all found out on 911. The government has the responsibility for the security of this country and they obligation to gather intelligence on these people. I would imagine there are American citizens that hate this country too and are acting in concert with these people. There were Nazi spies and Japanese spies in this country before WWII and during the war. Again, I haven't heard of anyone getting their civil rights violated.
I ask you, how would you gather intelligence on these people? If you have the answer then pass this on to the CIA and FBI.
What scares me more than anything else is not the government but a private citizen having access to my financial records, accounts, and investments. I can deal with the bonehead that might want to break into my house, but this identity theft or having my all my accounts on some computer chip and then one day it all disappears bothers me.
November 6, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
Jane, have you ever tried www.factcheck.org? It is a wealth of information..
GetSerious...your comment cracked me up!! You can always tell who watched Faux News, and listened to Hannity and Rush. It's painfully obvious...and pretty sad at the same time.
November 6, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jane's writing a thesis? Are Limbaugh, Hannity, and Levin teaching a class on neoconservatism and the lies they spread somewhere?
November 6, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
I also see MUCH rage from conservative posters -- namely you. Way more so than liberal ones. You assume I am a liberal and Leftist poster because I dare to question your unsupported claims. I am an independent thinker who sees great faults and great truths in politics by exploring all sides and all answers, not just the ones of a particular group of people.
November 6, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jane, if you use youtube as a source of information, nothing you say here will ever make any difference.
November 6, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WhatMeWorry (anonymous) says...
Oh, sh**, Jane, PLEASE tell me you misspelled potato on purpose, because the irony has me rolling with laughter!
A thesis?!?!? Then misspelling potato?!?! I can't take it. I'm starting to think that "Jane" is someone posing as a caricature for a stupid right-wing female. She's like a Saturday Night Live character. It's just too much...
November 6, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Newt, actually, they will have another chance in four years. Just so you know....
November 6, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...
November 6, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
KOntact- I had a "friend" that sent me text messages yesterday after Obama won and she did not know she sent them to me. I really don't want to repeat them because I might pick up my phone to call and cuss her out again.
We really need to get over this. If 90% of blacks vote democratic wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy before Obama, it had nothing to do with the color of his skin. The past 8 years have been tough on a lot of people & more people may have gotten involved with politics because they want a change. I know white & black folks that registered to vote for the 1st time, that's enough to make me happy that EVERYONE wants a better life and wants to make a difference no matter whom they voted for.
November 6, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cassique (anonymous) says...
BulldogTLC (and all others who refuse to admit that the Civil War had anything to do with slavery):
You are wrong, but don't take my word for it. Go right to the source. Read and TRY to understand SC's Official Declaration of Succession.
"increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery"
"they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery"
"they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property (slaves) of the citizens of other States"
"they have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection"
November 6, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Jane, that allegation about Snopes has been disproven by numerous outlets. FactCheck has also been independently confirmed as a reliable source of information. It seems that in every instance that a media, news or research out let disagrees with conservative or Republican mudslinging, their only response is to call that source biased. Try a new trick, that one is getting played out and losing its believability.
November 6, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
The story was dumb and these posts have gone way off track. With all the normal left vs right bashing.
But look at the demographics, by the way... North Carolina just went to Obama.
So who has moved to the Carolinas in the last 20 years? You betcha, Yankees from nice liberal hot beds like Massachusetts, Maine, New York, Maryland and Pennsylvania. So duh, that's part of the reason Obama won in Charleston and carried NC.
I have got to admit FOX is trash, goggle Obama+FOX images and then do the same with CBS+Obama.... somebody is messing with the skin tone over at FOX. That's sick!
I met Barrack Obama and he's pretty light skinned, but on FOX he looks like the sinister OJ photo on the Newsweek cover years ago.
November 6, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
riddiksgirl (anonymous) says...
Mrs. Obamas butt looks fat in this pic.
November 6, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
I have never noticed that CedarPosts. I have always seen a caramel skinned man on all channels. How do you know this? What makes you assume Fox darkened his skin vs CBS lightening it? I'm just curious because I havent heard any accusations before. I had heard people speculate someone lightened Beyonce's skin in an ad. Different lighting can effect the color of ones skin too.
November 6, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by GetSerious on November 6, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
if the artist formerly known as yird (he was booted) is back under a new and improved screen name (i wouldn't know anything about that...)- thanks for the book suggestion.
=========================================================
Just working in my lowly blue collar shop.
I've not been "booted". Why should I be,unless telling the truth is too much for someone to handle? I'm still me.
Your welcome!
I sincerely hope you have picked up the book, or if not, you soon will. You will not be disappointed.
November 6, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
Jane, you'd be better off over at http://community.mccainspace.com. They'll believe everything you post - you'll be in heaven!
November 6, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
I don't consider myself "The Right". I do tend to have more conservative views, but rest assured they are my views and not some that I have been fed. I really wish that Obama was someone that I believed in, but at this point, I do not. I do offer my hopes and prayers and honestly hope that he proves me wrong. Nothing would make me happier.
November 6, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Cedar- it could be the light....I'm fair skinned as well and in a lot of my pictures I look red, white, caramel brown, yellow gold looking.
November 6, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
Jane, I believe that when Obama said that he'd been to 57 States...it was because he was exhausted. Can you please explain the reasoning behind McCain addressing his rally folks as "my fellow prisoners"? And what is your stupid point about the 57 states anyways? I know that you don't want us all to start in on Palin...do you?
November 6, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landy3261 (anonymous) says...
Well said Girleygirl. Unfortunatley, there will always be others who say they didn't vote for him simply because of the color of his skin. The reality is we live in a world where racism will never,ever die. It is surely alive and well on this board. President elect Obama has a very difficult job ahead of him, and it will no doubt take longer than 4 years to clean it up. He is the new leader of the free world. We need to get over it. If it was the other way around, the Obama supporters would be told the same thing. Everything that's wrong in this world will not become right overnight. He is facing the same diffcult issues as John McCain would have had he been voted into office. The election is over. The people have spoken. He has won. He reached over racial lines and pulled people together. Now let's focus on getting this country better.
November 6, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hightide (anonymous) says...
LOL at Jane. The ridiculous posts will never end!
November 6, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landy3261 (anonymous) says...
So what was Bush's excuse for his "blunders?" He had 8 years to make up for bumbling the job. Truth of the matter is they've all blundered. I'll take exhausted over stupidity any time.
November 6, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
Cool it just came up during a conversation last night, ok it was at a bar, but they were running footage from the acceptance speech. We all noticed Obama was darker on FOX.
I'm thinking FOX made him darker,
Girly, it could be the light maybe the camera. But I've been three inches from the man's face, as the crowd was loud and I'll tell ya FOX had him looking coal black.
Jane, no I was just looking at random screen shots and errrrr youtube. lol
November 6, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
Cassique, I have read the Official Declaration of Succession many times. History is one of hobbies. You are correct, slavery is mentioned in the Declaration, however the sucession was because the states rights were being infrindged upon.
"The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union"
The federal Government was making it impossible for the state to exist as sovereign as States. This is how the United States was established - as 13 individual States. Congress was formed and certain powers were delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Amendments were added stating that any power not granted to the United States and not prohibited by it, would remain within the power of the State. The "Big Government" was taking away a power that had been constitutionally granted to the State. The power that is most often mentioned is that of slavery, but slavery was not the issue. State's power was the issue.
November 6, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Bulldog,
Glad to hear you're an educated person, sorry to hear that you support a non progress party that shares the idealism of prejudice, bigotry and are hypocritcal towards individuals rights. My condolenses to you for not being elected to the highest office in this country.
Much success to you in the future?
November 6, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
BulldogTLC;From what I remember from studying the war years ago, one of the major issues was economic.
France and England were more than willing to purchase cotton at higher prices than the mills in New England were willing to pay.
Slavery itself was doomed to extinction with the advent of mechanization but the issue of slavery made an excellent catalyst to galvanize support for the war.
Hitler used the Jews for the same purpose.
November 6, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Jane- did you get nervous on 9/11? Bush had to be told to get up and leave because we were under attack.
There were things that I did not like about Bush, but hey He is Mr. President and I do respect that.
Girl put up all that cut and paste up and away and let's try to work together instead of proving a pointless point. He is going to be the president...it's time to work together. I would have said the same if Mccain got elected too....
November 6, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
As I too am sorry to hear that you support a party who feels that those who do not work should be afforded the same standard of living as those who do. Best wishes to you as well.
November 6, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landy3261 (anonymous) says...
Hey Jane, then it would be fair to say we're all human, and not perfect by any means, even the President of the USA. Exhausted or not, stammers,comments and all,they hold or have held the highest office in the land. Expect that he will make blunders, but whom among us hasn't?
November 6, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Jane,
Anyone you support can not be all that great. Seriously I was on the fence who to vote for senate and even thought about just leaving the choice for Senate blank, but you pushed me over the fence. You Jane are definitely one of the top five idiots that post on this site on a regular basis!
November 6, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scconservative (anonymous) says...
Just what we need, further consolidation of power in the big idiot Federal Government. Forget about increasing States' rights and don't get me started on the effect of DA Federal Government on individual rights. The all powerful centralized Federal Government will become even more agressive in consuming the vitality of our country. Neither the Marxist Obama or the Socialist-lite McCain would have had any effect on the thieves that now control the levers of power in this country. Welcome your new masters, same as the old ones. Seize the day, we will have a 2nd Civil War within the next 5 years.
November 6, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
Bulldog,
One of the many differences we have between you and me is that I don't give a rats-butt if the government wants to tax us more. My wife and I aren't GREEDY like you and your party advocate? We make a very comfortable living, travel two or three times a year all over the country and the world with my 6 children. We are happy each and everyday because I don't let people like you to bother my way of living? We can have whatever we want, we have very little debt cause we pay our bills off every month. So if President Obama needs me to pitch in for alittle more $, so be it, I don't care!! I am going to enjoy my life and then I going to die as well as you and all the others on this site and you won't take it with you?
So if I could pass on alittle advise to you and your party members, focus and mind your own business and stop worrying about how others live, love and work in this country and you'll be alot better off, I promise you?
It's time to go home and see how my open minded, educated childrens day went and enjoy the rest of my evening with my family even more because Obama was elected President of our great country!!
November 6, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msplacedinsc (anonymous) says...
It makes me so happy to read all the stupid posts from all of you "right wingers"? You folks are having a tough time swallowing that a educated mixed race black man is the President of this country. He beat a white man who is "silver spooner" not just badly but very badly! Now you know how folks who didn't vote for "W" felt the last 8 years. Paybacks are tough baby??
Iceland population is made up of 99% white folks, how about moving there for the next four years? I promise you we won't miss ya?
November 6, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landy3261 (anonymous) says...
Jane, the man is in. Whether or not he is a good orator, he is in. What Palin had to say obviously fell on deaf ears anyway, so not having a teleprompter didn't appear to work in her favor. The people have spoken. Period. Let's give President elect Obama the same chances to clean things up the way we did the others who came before him. They have all made promises for change. Could it possibly get any worse than it already is? Yes, it could. Does it do any good to attack the man because he lost his train of thought for a split second one night? No, it doesn't. Let him prove himself where it counts...working hard to help all of us.
November 6, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...
I promise you there is a point when you will not welcome more taxes. Every family has a breaking point. I am not greedy either, in fact, I donate to what I believe to be some worth while causes to the tune of tens of thousands every year. What I have a problem with is giving that move to the government to distribute to those who refuse to work. You and I will continue to disagree on this subject and I promise I am not trying to change your opinion. You are entiltled to it and I am happy for you. I hope you have a good time with your family. Congratulations to you on your party's victory. I honestly hope that he proves me wrong. He has my support and prayers.
November 6, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
bulldog, I agree about the giving to those who refuse to work thing. the question that i have though is exactly what did the GOP white house and (before 2006) the GOP congress do about it? conservative's are sooooo worried about welfare. why didn't the republican saviors correct this problem when they had the chance? and exactly (be specific, now) is obama's administration going to do to make it worse. don't speculate -- that's useless. give me facts.
November 6, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
msplacedinsc; Did you really go to college?
November 6, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
These racists on these boards truly make me laugh with their fear and ignorant comments.
Here's the deal and here's how a lot of these racists think: Y'all hurry up and lynch that boy, so we can get some sleep for church in the morning. Hypocrites.
This state and the South, in general, will not change. These racists will have to die out. THANK GOD that most white Americans are not racists.
I am so thankful, and THANKFUL TO GOD, that a lot of younger whites are not as hateful as most of these people. So, there is hope for this state.
This is what the IGNORANT poster "cedarpost" wrote.
So guess what? Your crack heads, your unwed mothers, your welfare cheats, drug dealers, drive by shootings, even the vast number of young black men in prison .... it's all going to be taken care of, because there is a black man in charge and he's the one ya'll need to take it up with. In short ya'll can't blame Whitey anymore!"
As always blacks are the only ones on welfare and committing crimes. They are quick to overlook the fact that even Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter is not married. And of course, they are no white drug dealers.
Many minorities (BLACK, ASIAN, MEXICAN, INDIAN, LATINO, ETC.) work hard just like whites. Many work hard and earn what they get, so, they don't get, want or need handouts.
Some ignorant rants just have to responded to, but I know I cannot dispel ignorance like that. It would be a lifetime filled with futility.
November 6, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
ltgrunt,
You are clearly a liar. Prove Obama's birth certificate was released. You can't. You can't because it wasn't. Only a document saying he was born was posted on some stupid website, demon.
I tell ya. You Zombies have some really low IQ levels. Obama is a radical racist scum. It's been proven time and time and time again. I laugh at twits like ltgrunt.
The democrats are already reported to engaged in nasty in-house fighting. Obama's Chief of Staff is a proven belligerent A-Butt who nobody really will like with him in charge of staff. Expect this to be a joke of an administration. Amazing all the lies they pump out. But America is finished. You better believe it. It's over with someone like Obama. Give it time, you will see what you did not want to accept. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Obama barely won the popular vote. But get this, Obama campaign staff have been stealing left and right from the campaign cookie jar!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!
November 6, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tides (anonymous) says...
Just as I have proven already. The Post and Courier has been grilled by power freak politicians. Darn Nazis are taking over.
November 6, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SimplyMad (anonymous) says...
A picture of things to come?
I wonder if this is what the USA is in for across the country;
Obama campaign: Unpaid wages resolved
Lines were long and tempers flared Wednesday not to vote but to get paid for canvassing for Barack Obama. Several hundred people are still waiting to get their pay for last-minute campaigning. Police were called to the Obama campaign office on North Meridian Street downtown to control the crowd.
The line was long and the crowd was angry at times.
"I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!" yelled one former campaign worker.
http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?...
November 6, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Obama Wins,America loses.
November 6, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SimplyMad (anonymous) says...
President elect Barack Hussein Obama, is already making friends, this is wonderful.
TEHRAN,Iran -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday congratulated Barack Obama on his election win -- the first time an Iranian leader has offered such wishes to a U.S. president-elect since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
November 6, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Damn, there are more idiots than normal today.
Tides, I would be willing to put my IQ up against yours any day of the week, so if you want to challenge wits, I'm your huckleberry!
BTW, you sound alot like the infamous "RW", are you?
November 6, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SimplyMad (anonymous) says...
this is interesting, although ones IQ is off topic, unless your sitting on a porch with BHO, discussing the 2004 elections...
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_...
November 6, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
guidedbystewart; IQ.= Ignorance quotient! You win.
November 6, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
7green0 (anonymous) says...
I can see some of us are still a little salty about the election.
I hope those who are feel better soon!
November 6, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CharlestonGamecockGirl (anonymous) says...
LMAO!!! This is justly remarkable and appealing to me. Who would have thought a biracial man of COLOR would bring out the good ole RACIST hand from so many people???!!!??? I F-in love it! I praise all of you who are standing up for what you believe in whether right or wrong but COME ON!!!! Are you really ridiculing BARACK because he is ineffectual (like some would say) or because he is partially a NEGRO! LMAO!! This country has more important things to worry about than Barack's skin color. Jane, you are a true B**** at heart! Yes ma'am I said it! (I know some of you may suggest other words or would expect me to take the high road but GESSH she was asking for it). No one really cares who you (Jane) may support but you can tell you're harvesting some ill thoughts none of us can help you with! I pity you because you don't have the heart to say any of this mess away from your computer screen. So type away your identity is safe!! I would love to see all of you sit down and say this to a person's face who opposes your opinions! Technology brings out the beast in people!
BARACK OBAMA 08! Yes I Barack my vote on November 4 in case you were wondering! Too bad for some of you! I f-in Love it! LMAO!
Some of you may call me "unintelligent", "childish" or even "ignorant" for using the forbidden B- word, but I am a firm believer of using the most suitable word (s) at any given moment! LMFAO!!! I love being an AMERICAN!
November 6, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
exorcist_pencocky4u (anonymous) says...
Don't blame me I voted for the old guy and "THE HOT CHICK"!
January 1, 2011...... the clock is ticking.... 420 days and counting till the largest tax increase
in American history!
Spankerbuns - This one is for you and all your liberal time cohorts. Since you people did vote for bubba I will explain that you must remember to remove the ## in front. Then cut and paste.
##http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9299280
November 6, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
Who Am I? (This is a good one.)
I was raised in one country but my father was born in another. I was not his only child. He fathered several children with a number of women.
I became very close to my mother because my father showed little interest in me. Then my mother died at an early age from cancer. Later in life, questions arose over my real name. My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a reliable birth certificate.
I grow up practicing one faith, but converted to Christianity because this was widely accepted in my country. But I practiced non-traditional beliefs and did not follow mainstream Christianity.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growin g up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics when I was in my 30s and then burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office when I was in my 40s. I had a virtually non-existent resume, very little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful speaker who managed to draw incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was critical of my country in the last war. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country's economy. I had a plan on how we could do better. I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess.
Mine was a peoples campaign. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the traditional path of politics and was able to gain widespread popular support. I offered the people the hope that together we could change our country and the world.
I spoke on behalf of the downtrodden including persecuted minorities such as Jews, but my actual views were not widely known until after I became my nations leader. However, anyone could have easily learned what I really believed if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with. But they did not.
Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the world learned the truth.
Who am I? Scroll down for the answer.
Adolf Hitler
November 6, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
An analogy that I have pointed out in the past in other venues but not with such clarity. Accurate but predictably ignored by most as racial bigotry.
November 6, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
Sounds like to P&C is getting REAL PC. I havent seen the below untill Obama became president. How come I didnt see it when Bush became President?
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November 6, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tmi (anonymous) says...
I VOTED OBAMA! FIRST TIME I EVER VOTED AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO VOTE FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW (29). I AM A WHITE WOMAN. I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME.
JANE- WHAT THE HELL DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? I MEAN, AT MY JOB I DON'T HAVE TIME TO SIT AROUND ON A COMPUTER, SO I HAVE TO ASSUME YOUR JOB IS EITHER MEANINGLESS OR YOU DON'T WORK!
YOU HAVE LEFT A WHOPPING 27 COMMENTS ON A STORY THAT WAS REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA MENTIONED OUR GREAT CITY IN HIS SPEECH. 27 COMMENTS. WOW! WHY IS THAT A BAD THING AGAIN? I MEAN, ARE YOU UPSET HE SAID CHARLESTON, OR COULD IT BE THAT YOUR'RE STILL JUST A LITTLE UPSET THAT YOUR GUY DIDN'T WIN.
A WORD OF ADVISE HONEY--YOU NEED TO GET UP AND PUT THE NIKES ON AND GO GET INVOLVED AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE B*T#HI@! ABOUT!!!!
NOTHING IN THIS WORLD ANNOYS ME MORE THAN SOMEONE WHO WILL COMPLAIN AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING AND NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE THE SAME IN WHAT WE BELEIVE, BUT WE CAN ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
LEARN FROM YOUR ROLE MODEL PALIN AND GO JOIN THE FREAKIN' PTA IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.
OR COULD IT BE THAT I HAVE ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION, YOU WORK FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND POST BLOGS ON THEIR BEHALF! THAT'S IT, BECAUSE WHO WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE IF THEY WEREN'T AT LEAST GETTING PAID, COME ON, A REPUBLICAN WOULD NEVER WORK FOR FREE.
November 6, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
Paulleah, Thank you for clearing that up for me in that we the people still have the freedom of the press and of free speech. also the P&C will not and is not a PC based newspaper. That we the people can still voice our opitions without being labeled unPC by today's liberal backed media groups. Again thank you for being on the side of free speech.:)
November 6, 2008 at 11:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
surfer (anonymous) says...
tmi - caps lock... turn it off.
I voted for McCain, but what I think about the election results is summed up in Romans 13. You should read it sometime.
November 6, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ClemsonTi9er (anonymous) says...
I wonder if the folks here would have the guts to say what they say online where nobody knows who they are under public scrutiny.
Black, white, red or yellow, I think some would shy away from the comments they have made. Why? I guess that's for all you you to decide.
November 6, 2008 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blissfactor (anonymous) says...
My head is spinning. If I believe everything I've read over the last several weeks, then I voted for a radical Communist Muslim Socialist who is not even an American with a likeness to Hitler that rivals the famous Lincoln/kennedy parallels. Amazing. The thing about fear is it's an easy weapon. It titillates. It spreads. It's used to dominate. It's the weapon of the weak against the scared and is equivilant to punishing a child with threats of monsters under the bed.
November 7, 2008 at 12:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tmi (anonymous) says...
sufer-NO I WON'T TURN MY CAPS LOCK OFF! I'LL DO WHATEVER I WANT, AND I DON'T READ THE BIBLE. BUT THANKS BEING LIKE JANE AND MOST RIGHTWING, AND TRYING TO SHOVE SOME CRAP DOWN MY THROAT. I DON'T MIX POLITICS AND MY RELIGON.
November 7, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landy3261 (anonymous) says...
TELL EM' TMI!!
November 7, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
walterrhett (anonymous) says...
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