200-plus at Furman opposing Bush visit
President to speak at graduation
By MEG KINNARD
COLUMBIA — More than 200 Furman University students and faculty members are objecting to the school's first visit by a sitting U.S. president, criticizing the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war and environmental issues.
President Bush is scheduled to give Furman's graduation speech on May 31 at this fairly conservative school of 2,625 undergraduate students with Baptist roots in the state's traditionally conservative Upstate region.
'We object'
The list of more than 200 students and faculty members opposed to President Bush's visit
Earlier this month, 222 students and faculty members signed and posted on the school's Web site a statement titled "We Object," which outlines objections to the president's visit. The statement cites the war in Iraq and the administration's "obstructing progress on reducing greenhouse gases while favoring billions in tax breaks and subsidies to oil companies that are earning record profits."
"We are ashamed of the actions of this administration. The war in Iraq has cost the lives of over 4,000 brave and honorable U.S. military personnel," they wrote. "Because we love this country and the ideals it stands for, we accept our civic responsibility to speak out against these actions that violate American values."
The school said the event would mark the first time a sitting president has visited the school in its 182-year history. Some protesters said they will skip the Bush speech entirely, others said they plan to attend the ceremony, perhaps wearing arm bands in protest.
"Under ordinary circumstances, it would be an honor for Furman University to be visited by the President of the United States," the protest statement reads. "However, these are not ordinary circumstances."
Spokesman Blair Jones said Monday the White House supports the protesters' rights to speak their mind. "The cornerstone of our democracy is the right of the American people to peacefully express their views," Jones said. "The purpose of the President's visit is to congratulate and wish the graduates well as they finish one chapter in their lives and begin the next."
Furman president David Shi released a statement saying the university supported its members' rights to speak their minds.
"Such inflamed disputes can be worthwhile for many reasons, not the least of which is that they offer opportunities to reaffirm the university's foundational commitment to the free exchange of ideas," Shi said. "How well a university balances competing ideas is an index to its health."
The campus community is preparing for several related events leading up to the president's visit. A seven-part lecture series, "Assessing the Bush Presidency," is set to begin Thursday, and some of the students who signed the statement are organizing a public reading of the names of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.
One of the professors who helped gather the signatories said she felt a professional compulsion to make her views known. "For me, I'm an ethicist. How could I not be upset about Bush's torture policy?" bioethics professor Carmela Epright said Monday. "I would be reneging on my professional ethical policy not to criticize that."
Comments
JohnS (anonymous) says...
I never figured a Southern Baptist conservative school like Furman would be so closed minded. He is our president like him or not.
May 13, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
I defend the people's right to voice their opinion....BUT when it comes to enviro ISSUES!!! CARMELA!! start in your own back YARD!!! Laurens Co landfill is getting ready to expand by 140 acres! Don't you read your OWN newspaper UP there!!! GEEZ!!
CARMELA!! you want to complain about greenhouse gases....start with the PEE DEE COAL FIRED PLANT that is trying to permitted!! Why dont you protest down at DHEC and Gov Sanford's office instead of the president!!
The War ...ok...BUT ENVIRONMENT? Start looking in the mirror!!!
May 13, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
CARMELA!!!!!! Here is today's lesson 4 YOU!!! Go to www. startech.net and STUDY!!! Then go to Google and type in Joseph Longo; and then when you are finished reading about him, type in "TORNADO IN A CAN".
We here on the front lines..HIGHLY suggest you then get to know who is your MAYOR, City Coucil members, and STATE leaders ARE!!!! Start wearing ARM BANDS for them and go to a LANDFILL and have a LOOK around!!! MAYBE A FIELD TRIP FOR YOUR CLASS!!!!
May 13, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grits1973 (anonymous) says...
Unfortunately, this article fails to mention that students are rising up in protest against the protestors. There are many current students at Furman who feel as I do -- it's an amazing honor to have the President speak at your graduation. It's not about politics or differing political views. It's about the office of the President and the fact that no other sitting President has ever visited Furman. What an incredible event for this year's graduates! I only wish I had been so lucky back in 1995 when I graduated from Furman. And, at the time, that would have been President Clinton, a man I didn't vote for and didn't like, but one who held an office I hold in highest regard. Shame on those protesting, especially the faculty. This is not an occasion for partisan debate!
May 13, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Carmela probably hasn't bathed in a week b/c soap is harmful to the environment.
May 13, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
I haven't agreed with everything Bush has done. I think it was stupid as anything to wait forever to go into Iraq, trying to conivince the UN and the Democrats that it was a good idea first. If we had gone in 6 months earlier, I think we would've been long gone by now. That being said, people forget that in the days after 9/11, Bush warned this would be a long, complicated war. No false promises were made. Remember, we are NOT at war with Iraq, we are at war with terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, and who knows where else? Freedom of speech, yes, but do it respectfully.
May 13, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Newt - The liberal media has about as much journalistic integrity as the National Enquirer. They all want to conveniently forget that in 1999, ABC News ran about a 5 or 10 minute report detailing their evidence of a new alliance between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and their agreement to go after "common enemies". Also, all the major networks reported years ago that Iraq was an Al Queda safehaven for years. But you're right. This is America. Believe what you want. If you want to believe that Saddam had no idea Al Queda was in Iraq, that they snuck in and hid there without him knowing it, that's you're decision.
May 13, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Newt, when I said I didn't agree with everything Bush has done, you just brought up (in a round about way) my number 1 complaint. To say the war is over oil is ridiculous. WE HAVE FAR MORE OIL THAN IRAQ!! Bush promised to drill in Alaska and has failed miserably. Poor leadership. We should ban the importation of middle east oil completely.
May 13, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
The WMD's issue depends on your definition. We found Sarin Gas, we found the canisters used for chemical and biological warfare, we found a warehouse full of chemical suits and related weaponry, we have evidence of Iraq enriching uranium. However, I will concede that we did not find anything "locked, loaded and ready to fire". It was all circumstantial evidence of WMD's, granted, nothing that you would call "courtroom evidence", but you make the call.
May 13, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
In 2000, I said I liked Bush's ideas, but I'm worried because he just seems like too nice of a guy for Washington. He might get run over.
He did.
May 13, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CHRISJIII (anonymous) says...
Just because this idiot is president does not mean that anyone has to show him respect if they feel that it's unwarranted. The students & professors have every right to have their feelings known. He's an idiot and a liar who is responsible for thousands of American deaths as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths. No wmd were found there and Al Queda was not in Iraq until we got there and deposed Saddam. No matter how many times you GOP'ers keep saying otherwise the truth is the war was an oil grab that failed terribly.
May 13, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
Newt, send my regards to Dorothy and the Tin Man next time you see them.
May 13, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hadenough (anonymous) says...
Come on, the kids at Furman are exercising their rights that thousands of Americans have died to preserve, regardless of the popularity of their methods. We have forgotten that the President works for us and is accountable to us.
May 13, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
willbillbedamned (anonymous) says...
I'd be a lot more impressed with the protesters at Furman if they'd done or said something before now. The Furman area hasn't been a hotbed of political protest. It just seems more like it's convenient now, since the President happens to be dropping in. The college kids today have had no dog in this fight because of the absence of a draft. I did my four,'69-73, but I had no problem with the protesters of the time. I also think Bush sucks.
May 13, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bigwhip (anonymous) says...
Furman University needs to have any federal benefits they may be receiving eliminated as the city of Berkeley, CA was threatened with for their stance against the military recruiting offices. A group of amoeba at best.
May 13, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ironhorse (anonymous) says...
Newt, KMA (!)
May 13, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
God Bless America!!
May 13, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Gordon (anonymous) says...
I'm all for people voicing their opinions, but I'm also for showing respect to the Oval Office. I just hope that when President Bush arrives he's not heckled in any way. I would be ashamed to be a South Carolinian if that happens. I also think that many of the students and faculty are being narrow minded in their thinking. How many deaths were averted by The United States taking the war on terror to them rather than conducting war on our soil? How many lives of our US citizens were saved by the so-called torture that never permanently harmed anyone. I think that we as a nation have become very spoiled and take our liberties for granted without understanding how we keep those freedoms and liberties. Is President Bush prefect? Is ANY President we've ever had perfect? Of course not. But as Presidents go, I think President Bush is one of the better in history for what our societies now face on a global scale. Where was Clinton when terrorists bombed our NY Trade Center twice during his administration or when our embassies around the globe were attacked and bombed or when one of naval vessels were bombed killing some of our soldiers? All talk and no action. Now we have a President of action and some don't like it because they feel that it'll just bring more terrorism to our soil. In fact, I would argue that inaction is a sign of weakness to the terror groups and we would be seeing many more attacks. Go ahead and voice your opinions, but be prepared for rebuttal and keep your minds open.
May 13, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Hmm..
"..some of the students who signed the statement are organizing a public reading of the names of U.S. troops killed in Iraq."
I wonder if they will read the NAMES of the people who died on Sept 11th including the fire fighters!!
May 13, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Newt, speaking of Kool Aid, drilling in one tiny remote part of Alaska will do absolutely nothing to harm the environment. Between Alaska, the Coast of Florida and California, and this newest find in the upper Midwest, we have no need of oil from anyone.
Freedom of speech for everyone!
However, we are in agreement about Saudi Arabia. Bush should not be trusting them. It's the same as the WMD's. The evidence is circumstantial, but come on.....
May 13, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
Newt...
Have you ever been to a beach in Saudi Arabia?
Have you ever walked around a MALL in any of those countries.
Have you ever had dinner in a restaurant there?
How many wives does your husband have?
Do you love to drive? Try driving a car there!
Do you walk behind your husband?
Do you enjoy commenting in this forum?
This is about much more than OIL!! Sorry..but my wife walks beside ME!
AND...I WILL defend your right to say what you will! YEP!
May 13, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
summerville_guy (anonymous) says...
JohnS,
Furman used to be a Baptist school, but they dropped the Baptist affiliation around 10 or 15 years ago. The only Baptist colleges left in SC are Anderson, North Greenville, and Charleston Southern.
May 13, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
MATTER OF FACT.. NEWT!
I like your SPUNK!! If Bush gets you this steamed..would you do something for me!!
(EARLY & COLDBEER..your gonna like this!)
Newt... go to www.startech.net! please.... and read!
1) Do you realize the trash your husband takes out is energy?
2) Do you realize we have 18 landfills in this state that need to be closed down? That are reported!
3) Do you realized this energy can be SOLD or used to power our city and school buses?
4) Do you realize that Florida has buses running on hydrogen NOW!
5) Do you realize your trash should be picked up for free ..reducing your taxes?
6) You think Bush is screwing US...just look at our MAYORS, County Council MEMBERS, and STATE REPS! They are allowing waste management companies to funnel money back into their campaigns to keep landfills open and ruining OUR childrens GROUND WATER! Doesn't this make your BLOOD BOIL??
7) At least we know how many troops have sacrificed over there...do YOU know how many we are sacrificing by contaminating our ground water??
8) How much LEAD, ARSENIC, MERCURY is going to be pumped on your grandchildren's food when it is grown and distributed in the FOOD CHAIN??
JOIN ME NEWT!...I NEED YOUR ATTITUDE!
May 13, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
TP.. You Too!!
Heck all of YOU!!! If we don't want to get screwed ..we need to start in our own backyard FIRST!!
May 13, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zoomru (anonymous) says...
What needs to happen is to start bombarding City, County, State, and AGENCY honchos with emails, and links to www.startech.net !! These machines run themselves and will be paid for by investors with the issuance of TAX-FREE MUNICIPLE BONDS!! There doesn't have to be a tax increase what so ever!
May 13, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bigwhip (anonymous) says...
Newt, you are one of the amoeba. Your bitterness and negative remarks hurt you and no one else.
May 13, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hadenough (anonymous) says...
Bigwhip
Amoeba? Been watching the Discovery channel or somethig? You seem pretty angry about a bunch of Americans exercising their rights what gives?
May 13, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jsks (anonymous) says...
Why is Patriotism defined as blind obedience? Is it not possible to respect the office of President while at the same time, questioning its motives. The President is not a monarchy or oligarchy, it is an office. The President is ultimately responsible to the people, not the other way around. If students want to protest the President, it is their right and is the purest form of liberty and the excerise of freedom. Those that think otherwise, should re-read the constitution and the history books.
May 13, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chalstonbred (anonymous) says...
luvyadubya!
May 13, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
I always said I think Bill Clinton was the worst President we ever had. I thought he was a disgrace to the office. BUT, when he was President, I always said, America voted for him, we're stuck with him, fight him on Capitol Hill to minimize the damage. This is America, we have freedom of speech. Protest within reason. Carry signs, hand out literature, boo if you want, but let him speak. He has freedom of speech also. Let's celebrate our freedom respectfully.
BTW, I'm not a "neocon", I'm old-school conservative. I'm on the same page as Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Charles Carroll, John Jay and those other radicals.
May 13, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
I respect the OFFICE of President.
But I do not, in any way, shape or form, support or respect the BOY in that office right now.
May 13, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chalstonbred (anonymous) says...
then you must not be very well read and especially unfamiliar with the PnC if that's the worst of it
May 13, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
This is coming from someone that just posted "luvyadubya?" Someone that can't capitalize or use punctuation? Yes, one can tell that you are a supporter. Poor you.
May 13, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
Who can blame the graduates. I would not want Bush at my graduation either...they are most likely aware that his economy will mean a job at the local hambyurger joint. people cant afford to drive so the Car Wash is out.
May 13, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
God Bless America, and save us within the next 9 months until Bush finally leaves office...if we have a USA when he is done. It might belong to Chna or Saudi Arabia
May 13, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonnative1963 (anonymous) says...
Zoomru---what has 911 got to do with anything...Iraq had nothng to do with it...BUT Bush's friends in SAudia Arabia sure did....ever seen the picture of Bush with the Bin Ladin family...who incidently were allowed to fly out of the US on 911
May 13, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chalstonbred (anonymous) says...
that's what i get for a charleston county public school education, sorry. i didn't realize everything had to be so "proper" on an online blog :) my apologies
May 13, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
asdpe (anonymous) says...
I've been following these comments most of the day, and finally decided I had to respond. As a proud Furman graduate (Class of 93), and a NON-fan of W, I'm glad to see those students and faculty exercising their 1st amendment right to freedom of speech. Anybody remember that, you might have learned about it in school? You know, the Constitution? The right to peaceful, orderly expression of dissent........wasn't that what our Founding Fathers wanted us to be able to do, unlike in some of the countries our ancestors came from?
And yes, jsks, I agree completely. Patriotism does NOT mean blind obedience. This is my current favorite quote, and it comes from Edward R. Murrow: "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
May 13, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Georgeg (anonymous) says...
This looks like the typical professor with a liberal agenda.
I am also proud of the great men and women that have given there all in service to there country. These men and women were volunteers. These men and women chose to risk there lives and no one made them.
I believe you show them disrespect by using them to protest. Someone is pretending to care that 4000 soldiers have been killed but I believe it is just someone's way of taking a poke at an opposing political party.
If you really want to make a difference why not teach your students about highway safety. We have over 40,000 people killed every year on our roadways. approximately 200,000 people have died since the war started. Millions of dollars are spent on roads each year but we see no change in design. Most of these 200,000 people didn't realize the danger they were in while on the road.
When I see the differences between the numbers of volunteer soldiers and the numbers of civilians that just wanted to take a vacation I know someone is playing politics and trying to influence as many students as possible.
Please look at what China and India are doing to the environment before you criticize the US.
May 13, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
Newt, you are right! People (like myself and all the brave men and women in the middle east) protect your right to be an idiot!
P.S..It is ridiculously hypocritical to say you "support the troops" and not support their mission or their Commander-In-Chief. Your self-righteous tirades desecrate what your husband has accomplished in Iraq!
May 14, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hadenough (anonymous) says...
volsfan
Your concept of absolutes shows your ignornace and by the way what was accomplished in Iraq?
May 14, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
While in Iraq (Jan 2006 - May 2007) I made many Iraqi friends. Everyone of them thanked me for ending the reign of a terroristic dictator and his family. Conditions may not be perfect, but at least the people of Iraq have the freedom of electing their own representatives.
Conditions are steadily improving. these people are now learning they can have a voice and oppose tyrrany without fearing the Government. Isn't that the true definition of freedom?
I challenge you to go to Iraq and convince a mother and her children that the United States should have ignored their cries for help (as the Europeans did).
May 14, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
10216340 (anonymous) says...
The article called Furman a "fairly conservative school." Are they kidding? The writer obvioulsy didn't even do a half-hearted effort at homework for this article. Furman is as far away from conservative as a private college can get.
They are so liberal I would never allow my child to attend there. I would be more afraid of what that school's liberal professors would try to stuff down my child's throat than I would be if he attended any other SC college.
May 14, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hadenough (anonymous) says...
Number one fan, you are not the only OIF veteran on this website, having participated in the invasion myself , I personally think American lives are the only ones worth going to war to protect, I dont care if there is now running water, general elections or cable TV in Baghdad these things are not worth one drop of American blood. Sometimes countries need to throw off the yoke of oppression as we did and not rely on the U.S. to do it, if you think your job was to help out the Iraqis you should have joined the peace corps.
May 14, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
asdpe (anonymous) says...
Hey there, 10216340. From where do you get this idea about Furman? It appears to me that you've never visited there, don't know their policies, etc. Can you say "dry campus"? And that's just the tip of the iceberg............
And another thing I'm confused about from some of these posts......if you attend a liberal arts college, isn't part of the goal of that program supposed to be to expose students to many different ways of thinking, open their minds to see more sides of an issue, consider other perspectives, etc? If you want to go to Clemson and study engineering or "ornamental horticulture" as one of my HS teachers did, that's fine. But in a well-rounded, liberal arts education, you are not going to live inside a bubble, you are going to be asked to THINK. And when thinking, you make up your own mind about issues ranging from religion to global warming to war to homosexuality and everything in between.
Maybe a professor presents you with ideas and perspectives that you don't agree with......ok, that's your right not to agree. But in the real world, you cannot stay insulated from other perspectives or from people unlike yourself. The way to grow intellectually is to learn from the ideas and thoughts of others, then make your own value judgments. Period.
May 14, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jsks (anonymous) says...
Its nice to see there are some level headed thinkers posting on this blog. Why is everything liberal, conservative, patriot, unpatriot? Why do some of you people think policy is so black and white? It's reassuring to know that some folks realize that policy decisions and how we react to things are nuanced and not always, clear cut. C'mon, people, give yourselves some leeway to think outside of what you have been taught your whole lives. Why can't someone support the troops and at the same time question how the war is being waged and whether it was an effective strategy to go into Iraq? I just don't understand?
One more thing that gets under my skin. For the majority of us who don't have loved ones fighting oversee's, you should ask yourself, what you are doing to help America? Are you still driving your gas guzzling SUV with a fat American flag sticker on the bumper? Again, I am not saying those that drive SUV's are unpatriotic, but I am saying that we all are responsible for America's choices and sometimes we ALL need to take a good hard look in the mirror before we go out and spew this nonsense about unpatriotic or the liberal media, etc... It's so 1980's.
May 14, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
Well, that's what I get for working during the day. I missed out on all the great comments! LOL at Newt and Early!
Don't forget folks - this country was founded on dissent.
May 14, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
10216340 (anonymous) says...
asdpe wrote...."Hey there, 10216340. From where do you get this idea about Furman? It appears to me that you've never visited there, don't know their policies, etc. Can you say "dry campus"? And that's just the tip of the iceberg............"
Unfortunately, I am unable to give you information about where I've learned about Furman since it might come back to haunt me some day. However, since it is part of my job to know about institutions of higher education I feel qualified to speak about how liberal it really is. Just because a campus is considered "dry" doesn't mean it is conservative. I do know a great deal about furman and have been on the campus many times.
Accept it or not (doesn't matter to me), furman is liberal to the core.
May 14, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
asdpe (anonymous) says...
Suit yourself. I didn't know I was asking for double-secret spy info...........and if your opinion is that Furman is liberal, I won't argue any more because I don't necessarily consider liberal to be a bad word. :)
May 14, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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