Posted by CountryGirl on May 11, 2008 at 1:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's all? Why even report the story if you don't have any more information than that?

Posted by JohnS on May 11, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We need to know if he was wearing a helment so we can properly do a post here.

Posted by ForPnC on May 11, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to the family.

Posted by summerville_guy on May 11, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We sure have seen a lot of motorcycle deaths recently.

Posted by raregar67 on May 11, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey P&C how about some details requiring a comment from the posters???

Posted by JoeL2 on May 11, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He was wearing a helmet, gloves, and jacket.

Posted by realman on May 11, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rest in peace.

Posted by Harpo on May 11, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Was another vehicle involved? If so, was the other vehicle
at fault? A poster has offered information that he was
wearing a helmet; is this true? Was alcohol involved or
suspected?

Are the Post & Courier reporters working too hard?

Posted by KidYendor on May 11, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All the real deaths on our roads on motorcycles each month and the politicians outlaw smoking in the bars and tout they are saving lives. Instead, it is just fashion law. It is in fashion to control and tax smoking. Line up motorcycle deaths to deaths caused by second hand odors and see what you come up with.

Posted by RTC on May 11, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A kid told my son that this young man was run over by a car.
I don't know if this is factual, but that's what I was told.

Posted by jammer on May 11, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KidYendor there is no comparison, there are thousands of deaths across the country daily attributed to smoking... directly and indirectly by second hand smoke

your analogy doesn't hold up to anything but the false point you attempt to make

way more people die in car accidents a day as well, but for some reason people flinch more when they hear it's a motorcyclist... two here yesterday...

on the job deaths outnumber them too, should we stop working? lol

you can go on and on with the lists of deaths by causes that outnumber motorcycle deaths

on a side note, you rarely see an article mention if the rider had a helmet when he/she was actually wearing one... so you know he/she most likely was wearing one if the leave out that info

Posted by RStern on May 11, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...ask the Post and Courier to report the rest of the story.

Posted by joesmuck on May 11, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Get off the helmet kick please. I've riden for 30 years and never met a helmet, pair of gloves, or even the thickest leather jacket that can save you from cell phone using and sometimes makeup applying, paper across the steering wheel, inattentive drive. P&C a little more info would be nice. Just hope neither party was DUI.

Posted by outrage on May 11, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is alot more to this story! Sorry, I can't comment at this time, but most of you know why. It is a horrible story.

Posted by KidYendor on May 11, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Jammer I don't believe you can prove any second hand smoke deaths. First hand yes. I read a lot more about motorcycle accidents than people keeling over from second hand smoke. It is in fashion to regulate the smokers while people lose their lives to careless driving/motorcycle accidents daily.

Posted by Harpo on May 11, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

joesmuck,

I've been riding longer than you and I can tell you I was
saved from serious head injuries when I got hit in a parking
lot in '72 and flew over the woman's hood. My head bounced
off her windshield and then smacked the pavement when I
landed. The back of the helmet was crystallized into
fiberglass dust, but my head was just fine.

I hear that anti-helmet malarky all the time and I know
first hand it's bovine scatology .. helmets save lives.
NASCAR, NASA, the AIR FORCE, and the Highway Patrol know
it, too.

Yes, a helmet won't protect against catastrophic impacts,
but they do help with the garden variety of smackups.
You can die from head injuries just going 15 MPH on a
bike.

We'll just stay on the helmet kick, if it's all the same
to you. I like exposing the statistics on a daily basis
because it brings it home to the reader better than
any other illustration.

Posted by jammer on May 11, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how do you stop this AUTO PAGE RELOAD crap!!

I had several paragraphs wiped out in the middle of typing

Posted by chris23t on May 11, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For all those wondering about this. My name is chris i was riding with Justin when he was killed. Its been a very rough weekend and yes he was wearing a helmet. He was ran over by a drunk driver. He lost control of his bike and was thrown off the front end, as he was rolling on the ground a truck ran him over. She then accelerated into my other friend Josh who is now in the hospital. She ran from the scene but was later caught and she was very drunk and only 20. My friend is struggling in the hospital but he is living. That is everything i can tell you with out making this story any more horrific then it already sounds. Justin was alive until ran over by the drunk driver.

Posted by KidYendor on May 11, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Throw that drunk piece of trash in the slammer for a long, long, long time. Take care chris23t.

Posted by outrage on May 12, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I told you there was more to the story, but I can't reveal things that have not been released yet.

I am sorry for your loss chris, and hope josh is okay!

Posted by Harpo on May 12, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did the truck have anything to do with him going over the
bars? It seems coincidental that he spilled the bike and
then was run over by a drunk driver. In my mind's eye, I
see the two being connected. Was he braking hard to avoid
her and then spilled and ended up under her wheels?

I'm sorry for your loss.

The Post & Courier just wasn't trying with this story,
was it?

I also saw a very bad accident on Rivers Avenue two nights
ago .. they had to use the jaws of life to open a door on
one car .. appears to have involved a cop car, too. It
happened right in front of Parks Auto Parts. A third
vehicle, a red pickup truck, also was involved.

I didn't read a word about that accident in the P&C. So,
what's up with the poor coverage of accidents lately?

Posted by prosperous_hb on May 12, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

chris23t...I'm sorry that you had to go through that. My prayers go out to you and your friends family.

Posted by Zod on May 12, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Harpo, that accident was near 10 pm Friday night. The P&C reporters were out for a night on the town.

I did not see a police car involved. It appeared to me as though the silver car was turning onto Rebecca street and the truck was coming east down Rivers Avenue. The accident happened in front of T&T sports which is about a half mile past Parks Auto. The number of officers involved on the scene made me think that someone involved was dead on the scene.

Posted by Zod on May 12, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jammer, Every now and again this site starts the auto refresh crap. If you find that you have written anything lengthy, it is best to right click and copy what you have written as you go.

Posted by ln1959 on May 12, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

chris23t, I am so sorry you had to go though something like that at such a young age. My prayers go out to the family.

I had to lay my bike back in 84, and since then I only ride sporadicly. The carelessness of others can destroy many families lives.

May your friend have a quick recovery.

Posted by Harpo on May 12, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I had to lay my bike down .." translated, means "I panicked
and locked the rear brake and lost control of the bike".

Zod: Thanks for the info; too bad it wasn't covered by the
paper because I really looked for that article in the last
few days to find out what happened.

Posted by Yankee_Don on May 12, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My thoughts are with the family - and am sorry for your lost. I didn't know the individual however seems he was doing what he enjoyed when he left this world. Thats what I would want if it were me.

The reason why you didn't hear much on the report is because he was wearing alll the protective gear this NHSTA recommends. But the person didn't survive anyway. You will always here if the rider wasn't wearing a helmet -- why do pursade the common folk into thinking we need Helmet laws!

The reason you see more motorcycle accidents lately as someone asked.. have you looked at gas prices. I ride my bike everyday - regardless of the gas price - but I have to assume the rise in cost to get that SUV to and from work is getting out of hand. So people turn to the other mode of transporation. To me Motorcycles are not "recreational" unless its a dirt bike, motorcycles to me is my mode of transportation.

And when people in the cages realize that there are more and more of us out here maybe they will start paying closer attention vs. pulling out in front of us. Learn to Share the road

Posted by ln1959 on May 12, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Harpo, when a car pulls out in front of you..I guess it would be panicked to try to avoid flying over a car. Thanks for the analisis.

Posted by ironhorse on May 12, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

agree...anyone who has some experience riding knows that "laying a bike down" means making a conscious and deliberate choice to minimize injury.

Posted by amysgig on May 12, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A twenty year old intoxicated female hit the biker and dragged his upper body to the entrance of Lowe's. He was alive when she hit him. She has been charged with felony DUI.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 12, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, very sorry to hear about this.

I would love to ride a nice Harley but there is NO WAY I'd ever get on a bike and ride on public streets. Even if you are doing evereything right, there's just not enough protection when someone else messes up.

Posted by RStern on May 12, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by amysgig on May 12, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.

A twenty year old intoxicated female hit the biker and dragged his upper body to the entrance of Lowe's. He was alive when she hit him. She has been charged with felony DUI.

...as well as other charges. Again, ask the newsless courier to report the whole story.

Posted by allwoman on May 12, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One of the charges should be underage drinking.

Posted by Early on May 12, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One dead, one life ruined

Posted by localoyster on May 12, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris, sorry for what happened to your buddies. Take this as a lesson that riding wheelies is not a smart thing to do on public roads.

Posted by localoyster on May 12, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I meant to add "a smart thing to do on public roads with drunk drivers and people not paying attention to others".

There was also another accident in front of town center about 2.5 hours later.

Posted by sbs920 on May 12, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

" wheelies " ?

Was the deceased doing wheelies ?

This story just gets sadder and sadder. . .

Posted by ColdBeer on May 12, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't see wheelies mentioned anywhere in this story.

I've seen a few guys on bikes doing wheelies at 50 MPH down busy roads. One almost hit my wife head on up on 17A close to Moncks Corner. They deserve to be shot, plain and simple.

Posted by localoyster on May 12, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two of the guys were riding wheelies and lost control. The drunk girl then ran over Justin when he landed in her path. She kept on going before she was finally stopped at the next stoplight.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 12, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How is it that all of these facts are out and yet none of them are in the article???

Guys losing control while riding wheelies, if that's actually what happened, changes my whole perspective on this accident. It doesn't excuse a drunk driver in any way, but I can't see drunk driving being any worse than riding wheelies on motorcycles on a public street. Both kill innocent people.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 12, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bad accident on I-26 East bound right now... at the College Park rest area. Looks like a cement truck is involved and I'm already hearing that there is at least one fatality. Camera 10 on the North Charleston section of the SCDOT traffic cams.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 12, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the wheelie thing is true, the female driver should not be charged with anything associated with this guy's death. She should be charged as any person caught DUI (which should be MUCH more than a years house arrest), but his death was his own fault, not hers. Again, that's IF the wheelie part is true.

Posted by Harpo on May 12, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd say that 99% of the time, the act of 'laying down one's
bike' is purely accidental and the result of locking the
rear brake in a panic. That's the way I see it. I hear lots
of leather-clad macho bikers claim they had to 'lay their
bike down' all the time and I just smile to myself because
I know it's pure bullshirt. Been riding way, way too long
to fall for that.

Locking the rear wheel in a panic is nothing to be ashamed
of because your car's brakes are at your feet and you're
more or less conditioned to react that way. Only about 1%
of all riders have the training and reflexes to lay a
motorcycle down on purpose and slide behind it into an
obstacle.

The good rider will be able to release the rear brake
and then reapply front and rear brakes in proportion

Posted by chris23t on May 12, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For one all of you who dont know what happened, stop making postings about what happened if you didnt know. There were no wheelies, this is my friend you guys are talking about, so stop making it sound like it was his fault. He never did a wheelie, yes he laid down his bike and was ran over. But what gives her the right to accelarate and run over my other friend and then flee the scene. Nothing. So for you who think that he deserves what he got, that is bull. We all were driving safe, we were driving home to celebrate my friend moving to Washington. No one knows this accident better then myself and Josh, so for anyone that doesnt know, stop posting the wrong things. This is my friends life we are talking about. This is why the police report is messed up, cuz people say things that they dont know. This is why that dumb girl is going to walk away from murder and attempted murder, however you want to classify it. She deserves life and nothing else. If you saw my friend and if you saw the accident as it happened then you would feel the same way. So i would appreciate it if some of you had some respect and left your nasty comments to yourself. For all of the rest we greatly appreciate your prayers and your comments. Its been a hard road but we are living and thats what we are thankful for. For anyone that is conserned there is a memorial for Justin on Thursday at 2. It is a navy thing so you may have to be family or military, not sure on all that.

Posted by JCM0165 on May 12, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

chris23t, sorry to hear about your friends. This is close to home. I heard about this today from an employee who also rides. We all have to be really careful out there. peace, JCM

Posted by Outragedrider on May 12, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most of you have lost sight of the point. I'm not sure of all the facts, but what I do know is this was a bright, young, sailor headed down a good path that was cut short by a drunk driver. I'm also a rider and constantly find the road to be treacherous with sober people sharing the lanes. How could you possibly justify a drunk driver running down a young man regardless of how poor his decisions may have been on the bike? How many of you do idiotic things while driving to save a few extra minutes? Eating, speeding, talking on the phone, putting on makeup?... Are any of us not guilty of showing the proper respect due to a 2 ton vehicle moving 60 mph? If it was your child killed would you be so cold? This is very personal to me. I teach these young men and women. I feel a bond with everyone of them and this is a tragedy. Just remember that this young man made a personal choice to volunteer to protect those of you that have made this a place to comment on riding techniques, idiotic stunts, who can ride well versus who can't and worst of all, justifying his killer. Makes me almost regret the decade of service I have given for you, but most of you are deserving of this man's sacrifice along with all the others that have gone before. That is what I have to remember everyday. I just beg that you remember what this story is really about. A promising young man's future cut short due to another terrible tragedy caused by someone's immature, irresponsible behavior that should be punished.

Posted by common_sense_is_where on May 13, 2008 at 3:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The auto refresh has to go!!!!!!!!!!
LISTEN P&C, you can adjust this.

Posted by common_sense_is_where on May 13, 2008 at 4:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First, we as a community offer our condolences to you and your friends and your family. There are no words at the moment to even try to console you, just know that we are here in whatever capacity can help. Secondly, you need to check in with Coastal Carolina Chaplains. They have been extremely helpful with survivors of the SSS fire. They have provided light where some ever wondered how they would make through the next hour or day. A very helpful beacon in the dark. This is not a humanly-handled situation. Please find help wherever it is offered. The chaplaincy has helped in many ways and they are ready for you, regardless of your religious affiliation, or if you have none. There are some families in Charleston who are now more readily equipped in managing desperately tragic situations than they were last year. The best way for us to cope is to help the next person who has had to manage losing a loved one to unexpected circumstances. Blame is not the answer right now. We must all deal with humanity and corral around the survivors of any tragic situation. Let's keep perpsective here. Peace to all involved. Prayers are coming to you in a big way.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 13, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see any comments that say the guy on the bike "got what he deserved". Many, including mine do say that "IF" he was doing wheelies, the woman driver is not at fault for his death. Again, they say "IF". The speculation is mostly due to the poor coverage and lack of information in the post and the fact that another person posted and said that they were doing wheelies.

This is a horrific accident. I hope the P&C will get the FACTS and run more on this accident.

Posted by MinoritySouth on May 13, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a very sad story and I am sorry for all involved in the tragedy regardless of the right/wrong factor. Everyone makes mistakes and this is compounded by the fact that accidents are sometimes unavoidable in the best circumstances.

That being said, it seems though, that a "consistent" common denominator with lack of info in the media seems to be closely related to economics. In other words, if the incident happens in a trailer park regardless of right and wrong, you instantly get all the "nitty-gritty" details, like for example effeminate traits of a murder victim without even remotely suggesting that investigators think it was a hate crime or how many 40 oz cans and cigarette butts were strewn across the yard accompanied by pictures from a drunken Cinco De Mayo party or a teenage mug shot from 1992. However if an incident happens near Mt. Pleasant Town Centre, it rarely even makes it to the general public and if so, there are only bare bone general details and no relevant details like blood alcohol content, specifically, how, when, where and if any alcohol testing was given at all which are relevant factors in situations like this or no details of circumstances that indicate less than prudent decision making and behavior on the part of either parties, no laundry list of past law infractions, etc. etc.

Yet again, one set of guidelines for some and another set of guidelines for others.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 13, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think there are any guidelines. I think there is just a LOT of poor reporting.

Posted by melton524 on May 14, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not at fault...really....let me see, under 21 and over the limit, hmmm...sounds to me like if she hadn't been on the road after drinking too much then a young man would still be alive and another would not be hurt.....so yes it is her fault this crap about not my fault society has got to stop it is crap.
If you take it upon yourself to drink and drive then you are where you shouldn't be, (on the road),thus, if you hurt or kill someone even if they jump out in front of you wouldn't have been there if you had going by the law, so, it IS your fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by joesmuck on May 14, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Harpo, Harpo, Harpo. The wife an ER Doc, and she swears EVERY patient with a serious head injury suffers the same trama helmet or not.