No bias revealed in ticket review

Posted by pickledweed on March 21, 2008 at 1:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

its not racial profiling, if the people breaking the law are black. as soon as a black criminal gets caught commiting a crime, the NAACP always protests racial profiling. its not racial profiling. its catching people who break the law. the video clearly shows the criminal running in front of the police car. its not the officers fault that he hit him. the criminal should not run, or simply, STOP BREAKING THE LAW!
if you choose to be a criminal, then what ever happens to you is your own fault. you picked your fate. you choose to be a good person, or a bad person. the police are doing their job. like someone commented last time, if the police dont catch the criminal you people say the police arent doing their job, and when they do their job, and catch the criminal, you complain they are doing it to harshly. shut up already!
become a police officer, and see how tough a job they have. until then, stop complaining!

Posted by Roger1978 on March 21, 2008 at 2 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL STATE TROOPERS - Nice how you don't know what those scumbags were running for they might be kiddie rapers or robbers or killers or something - THE SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY PATROL IS OUTSTANDING - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Posted by pickledweed on March 21, 2008 at 2:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if the criminal in the video was white, not only would the video never be seen, but nobody would care. no one would be complaining, the NAACP would not step in, and the story would never make the news. but as soon as a black CRIMINAL gets treated unfairly, the black community gets upset. you fail to remember, that the black CRIMINAL broke a law, and if he wasnt guilty, why would he run??
it is only racial profiling when a black person is treated unfairly, even when the person is a criminal, and it is the black comunity who starts the racial profiling.
there will never be peace between blacks and other nationalities, as long as the black community keeps pointing their finger at others for not being treated fairly. stop protecting black criminals. they get what they deserve. no one made them commit their crimes. they choose to do it.
again, if the criminal in the video was any other color than black, we would never see the video. it wouldnt even be news.
i am tired of hearing how unfair the world treats the black community. stop crying, and change your life for the better. no one is keeping you for making your life better. you simply like to blame others for your problems.

Posted by pirate42 on March 21, 2008 at 5:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

good.... dont understand Freezzeeee, Maybe now all those that run will think twice. I say some more of this, maybe crime will go down, Criminals should be darn scared of the law.

Posted by mac0cm4 on March 21, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd like to see videos of other demographics being 'mistreated.' Where are those? Hmmmm? Let's be fair here...I'm sure some white guys were treated like crap.

Posted by Missthang on March 21, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pickledweed it's not the fault of black people that the P&C chose to only show black people being mistreated. if you want to see a white person being mistreated, talk to the staff at P&C. harpo, the last line of your comment was so unnecessary and so ignorant.

Posted by jrobinson on March 21, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Harpo
You need to check yourself with that last sentence. I don't think that every black person that is ticketed is playing loud music and has a bad attitude. If that were the case, then there would be many more videos to watch. I agree that in the majority of those cases that the troopers could have used a little better judgement, but overall the citizens were pretty much at fault. Act like a Nword you'll be treated like an Nword. That statement is worst that any of the behavior that I've seen in the videos. I garauntee you that I speak, and dress better than you, but that doesn't even matter. Most officers do their job by the book, but just like in everything else, only the negative side is reported. Most black people are productive, law abiding citizens, but just like everything else, only the negative side is reported. It sells newspapers. That's because people like you, live for stories like this, so that you can make your little cowardly statements from behind your keyboard. I bet if there was a community forum on issues like this, you wouldn't show your face. So what you need to do is take your little tight Wrangler wearing, Hank Williams Jr. listening to, snuff chewing, Coors Light drinking, driving a pick up with a shotgun in the back window, and a rebel flag liscense plate driving azz some where and shut the hell up. Just because people are the same race doesn't mean they have the same values, you idiot azz bigot.

Posted by moonpie on March 21, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

62 percent were written to white motorists, 31 percent to blacks.
CASE CLOSED "TYPICAL WHITE PERSON" GETTING MIS-TREATED BY THE POPO. HOW COME YOU HAVEN'T HAD ONE STORY ON BARACK OBAMAS PREACHER? WHY DON'T YOU INVESTIGATE BLACK CHURCHES IN THE AREA AND SEE IF YOU HEAR MR WRIGHT'S TYPE OF RACIST PREACHING. I GREW UP IN A SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH AND HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING PREACHED THAT DIDN'T COME FROM THE BIBLE. NO POLITICAL GARBAGE OR RACIST VIEW POINT FROM THE PULPIT. NO SOCIAL ISSUES DISCUSSED. MY CHURCH NOW IS VERY MUCH INTEGRATED AND WE LOVE IT. PREACHING IS UPLIFTING AND NEVER SOCIAL, NEVER RACIST. MATTER OF FACT JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TAUGHT, LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH. CHECK THAT OUT P&C! GET WITH THE HEAD LINES!

Posted by dustym59 on March 21, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If u don't like cops,next time u need help call Senator Ford.

Posted by nesseca on March 21, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dot Scott is deeply saddened.

Posted by blah_blah_blah on March 21, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was under the impression that the anger over the video was the irrational and dangerous actions by the police officers (driving through apartments, narrowly missing children, etc.) not about race? But I guess after the comments revealed in the Egyptian case, everything turns to that.

Posted by ssob on March 21, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bottom line DON'T RUN. I haven't been hit by a cop car, I haven't been threatened to be killed by a cop or hand cuffed to a car by a cop in 53 years, do you know why? because when a cop stops me THATS WHAT I DO I STOP AND NOT RUN.What part dont you understand do the cops need to learn EBONICS

Posted by blah_blah_blah on March 21, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ssob,
EBONICS? so, everyone that runs from cops are African Americans?

Posted by ckc on March 21, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Next time don't use the brakes so much,then we would'nt have to listen to all the crying.

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 21, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Are the whites being run over by the hwy patrol in their squad cars? Glad that this is getting national/international exposure.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Moonpie, What Church do you attend? If it was the Cathedral of Praise,You could have heard the political sermon By The Rev. Mike Lewis this past weekend. Touting Mr Boatwright and Bill Hearn as candidate affiliated to the church without mentioning other candidates....This is a direct Violation of 501 3(c) tax statue...Plus The Fact That alot of Members of this congregation are working for the Boatwright Campaign.

Posted by JJSmithereen on March 21, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This whole scene is so pitiful. Another symptom of the sickest race-_(that is -human);those we wanted to trust to "Protect ANd Serve" seem inhuman and without conscience, while instead of looking for a cure for the disease everybody want to cast blame for the separate symptoms. Are all these frightening power-trip behaviors a product of modern culture(or lack thereof!)? Or is that how it's always been, but we have so many forms of communication it's disseminated quickly and broadly now, and we are all aware of it at the same(approximate) time?!
No,the guy shouldn't have run. And the cop certainly shouldn't have struck him with a vehicle, either. And I won't start on what sort of person brags about such behavior.
But shredding each other is a(nother) dead-end. One says," Act like a Nword ,,,,," and then a dissenter responds, "Hank-william -listening to,Wrangler-wearing snuff-chewing..., take your ** somewhere..."
And neither person will sicerely attempt to see it from another perspective, much less have a meeting of the minds to solve this or any other adverse situation.
and Oh yeah! What about that freak-show cop (straight of S. King novel DESPERATION)driving through the apartment complex???!!!!! He( WAs it She- we could divide over the sex issue too). It seemed like an adept maneuver which to which the driver may be accustomed,yes?

Posted by preachlove on March 21, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Raregar67 - Yes, you're right, HARPO should have provided a more adult response, but on this board everyone doesn't behave like adults. Some behave like uninformed, unlearned, unread children. YOU said if a white mans says something HATEFUL, Obama calls it HATE speech. Then, by what you're saying, Obama is correct if the white man says something hateful. Furthermore, however, I do agree with you that if Obama's FORMER pastor made hateful speech, it should be called just that, HATEFUL.

Posted by r2d2 on March 21, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's all shock journalism...that's what sells papers and gets people's attention. The increased public tension is justified in their eyes because it could lead to additional stories and even more sales. The 3 videos I saw on this website were over a span of 3 years. I'm sure thousands upon thousands of videos had to be screened to find these 3.
I saw a young black man jog through a parking lot yesterday and a police cruiser caught up to him. The first thing I thought was going to happen was a bust or something like you see on "Cops" or read/hear about in the news.
The dude opened his car hood and the policeman (a white guy) got out and helped start his car by giving his battery a jump.

Posted by BillMan on March 21, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So the point is 2 times as many tickets to whites versus blacks, what good is this, the problem is the tactics being used on both white and blacks, maybe a bit worse for blacks, the HP needs to be accountable to us the taxpayers, we pay their salery after all, everyone doesnt seem to understand this!

Posted by woodrob12 on March 21, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's good to see that race isn't such an issue in the South anymore.

Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am positive that its both races that are run over by cop cars. What an idiotic statement CHRISJ "Are the whites being run over by the hwy patrol in their squad cars? Glad that this is getting national/international exposure."

That statement shows how much racism is so overused!! Get over what happened over 200 years ago. Statements such as this is why people CANT MOVE ON!

As far as I am concerned, the NAACP and Jesse Jackson are no different than the KKK.

Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, and I dont suppose that it matters if they hurt your child or family member in any way ... does it matter if they are black or white then??? It shouldn't matter the race ... We have no clue of what these criminals do. That is NEVER the concern. Its always a matter of White or Black.

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

If as much energy was put into child abuse, keeping drugs off the streets, etc ...as much as arguing racism .. we would notice a change! Ugggh!!!

Posted by woodrob12 on March 21, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Chas Carolina girl is right! Getting intentionally run over by the cops is equally done so it's not a problem.

Posted by moonpie on March 21, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No Chrispa it isn't. Sorry, non-relevant. Even though I agree with you this local political stuff shouldn't be preached from any pulpit, It's still not the same stuff spewed from the Rev Wright is it? NO IT'S NOT.
Racism runs both ways but it surely has a double standard doesn't it? We're getting off message but P&C has stayed away from it and I couldn't bite my tongue any longer. They truely are a biased news paper.

Posted by ssob on March 21, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

blah blah look @ the % of black that fail to stop for the cops and the % of white the numbers don't lie

Posted by woodrob12 on March 21, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

allwoman-

Guilty as charged, my dear.

Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Awwwwwe...Woodrob...You are so funny. NOT! Smart ass I never ever said that it wasn't a problem.

Im just tired of the white/black controversy and that the actual point IS NOT BEING NOTICED. Such as the reason of this article ... As always, it turns to a race issue.

Posted by woodrob12 on March 21, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, I must have misunderstood your eloquent posts.

Posted by jrobinson on March 21, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

harpo,
My comment was solely intended for you, and you alone. You're the typical racist coward. You open your mouth with a racist statement, and when someone responds, you try to act like the victim. You give my regards to Thomas Robb at your next national meeting. Coward!!

Posted by grannyofsix on March 21, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am as courious as everyone else here HOW come we dont see white people running from the law why is it only blacks???? why is there only one news paper for cCharleston do we have a blace newspaper. in my little town we have two paers come out bi weekly. again why just the blacks that get shon running cant white crimainals run fast.
WHy cant white granny's learn to spell?? sory just a bit of humor there

Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thats a nice dress shirt dude was wearing. I wonder if he was running cause the liquor store was closing and he wanted to get crunk before going on his date??? We'll never know.

Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You must have ... you are forgiven Woodrob.

Posted by jrobinson on March 21, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand how the people of South Carolina hated the Clinton's so much in the 90's, and now they just love Hilary. You can hate on Obama all you want, but when it's all said and done, he won the state of South Carolina in the Democratic Primary, and he'll win it again in November. You can keep throwing stones at him, it doesn't matter. He is going to be the next President of the United States. As a citizen of South Carolina you should be proud to know that your state is going to help put the first black President in office. You can't stop it.

Posted by Pinckney on March 21, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Poor, poor persecuted, disrespected and discriminated against white people. Don't know how we crackers get along in this world with all the privileged minorities taking our jobs, sucking down 'crunk' and antagonizing the police. Call me ignorant, but it sho is hard out here for a white boy.

Posted by outrage on March 21, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jrobinson - What has Sen. Obama done in politics that would cause you to vote for him? You have to give me something more than change.

Do you actually follow politics? This is not a game.

People voting for people because of race, gender, Dem, rep, or just because they are from their state is ludicrous. I am from NY and I am ashamed of NY for voting Hillary into the Senate. She did not even live there long before she was elected.

All I ask is that you get informed before you vote and vote for somebody that will help the masses, not a certain demographic.

Posted by grannyofsix on March 21, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We keep a rep. in office we go into a depression. We vote for dem that we have to choose from, we are screwed God help the USA I am neither a dem or rep but right now what choice do we have. In my years of voting I have seen that a republician gets us in deep doo doo and it is a democrate that gets us out some of the time not always but right now what do we do. Also I thought this post was about Cops chasing down perps how did we get into politics

Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My point MoonPie is this. If these preachers(and Groups affiliated with Hate) Do Not like the Federal government and their policy's, Then End their tax Free status from The Federal government.
By mentioning to Your congregation That they should pick a man of Character and integrity and Then stating that 2 men are members of the Church,and Not Mentioning the other Candidates makes it sound like the opposing candidates have no character or Religion.
Both Ministers should lose their 501 3(c) tax status Immediately and then Campaign. I as a taxpayer and supporter of the opposing Candidate should not have to pay for this.
Mr Boatwright is affiliated to Sons of Confederate Veterans.This group has been labeled a hate group By the southern poverty Law center.He is commander Of the H.L. Huley Camp#143 in charleston. this group was Formed after People with ties to white supremacy Overthrew their National Elections.His affiliations to Ray Nash(Bill Gothard and Christian Exodus)should be a sign of what to expect if he wins.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The articles I Have read in regards to this secession Group Have Detailed a Hatred towards Blacks,Hispanics,Catholics and Northernors..So Just Because it is not said in a sermon,doesn't mean it's notpart of an agenda by a specific group.

Posted by jrobinson on March 21, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outrage
If you can't tell by now, my mission is to respond to those who get on this website, and post statements that are totally racist. This time it was Harpo first, then Raregar67 joined in, and if you read what they posted, you will see that I responded with my posts. I am not up for a political discussion right now, but trust me, I would never vote for anyone just because he is black. I actually think that the best Democratic candidate is not on the race anymore. I never meant to start a political discussion, I was just trying to piss off a couple of racist. I guess my mission is accomplished. And no, I am not calling you a racist because I didn't see that in your statement.

Posted by ForPnC on March 21, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A couple of rogue cops. Maybe someone should run them down and yell "YeeHaw!" while they're doing it.

Most of the law enforcement in these parts do a great job. The few bad apples need to be gotten rid of.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Read This about Terry Boatwright and Ray Nash.http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/27/16812/7136

Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I Think The NAACP and The FBI should Research this..I would also check the Guard armories to make sure all the weapons are there.

Posted by jrobinson on March 21, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Harpo
I'm done with you.

Posted by mnbvcxz on March 21, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ravenel gets 10 months, then parish should get 10 years...

Posted by Creeker01 on March 22, 2008 at 4:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ChrisPia:

Get a life. This story is not about you or pertain to anything related to you. Because a hackpaper quotes you in an axe job doesn't make you the star of the show.

Quoting the "Daily Kos" as a "factbook" casts you in a just as ignorant blowhard role as the "Kos" people are.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Facts are Facts....That article did not mention me.Maybe you should read it better.It states That statesThat Terry Boatwright and ray Nash have connections to neo confedrate White sumpremacist groups and secession groups.
It is The Truth!

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

supremacist.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrepo...
Here's a list of Some Hate group connections.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrepo...
Here a Copy Of The in Fighting In SCV. Takeover By The Supremacist.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.scocr.org/Photos02/07-25Hunle...
Here Are Picture Of Terry Boatwright Opening a new camp of SCV after the Division of Moderates leaving SCV,He Is Pictured in Numerous aspects with a Confedrate Flag Behind Him...Running for Sherriff (the Top Law enforcement of this county)and Supporting this group Might be seen as a problem for Blacks,Hispanics,Yankees and Northerners. Wouldn't You say Creeker?

Posted by buttercup on March 22, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ChrisPia I do not know where you are getting your information from. The Sons of the Confederate Veterans is a wonderful origination. Here is the web site. http://www.scscv.com/SCSCV_Camps.php Here is the Hunley camp web site http://www.hlhunleycamp143.com/default.a...
So show me where it states that Boatwright is the commander please don't post information from 2/2007..I want to make sure that what you are telling the public is correct. Here is the information I found on the Hunley camp from 2/2008

Camp Commander.............…..Mr. Joe Willis

1st Lt. Commander.................. Mr. David Mitchell

2nd Lt. Commander................. Mr. Woody Brown

3rd Lt. Commander................. Mr. Timothy Hilton

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.savethescv.org/Introduction.h...
Does Nash allow you to Read Buttercup? Read this and above posts

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An Introduction to Save the Sons of Confederate Veterans

For 106 years, the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) has been a defender of Confederate heritage and an archive of American history for the period of 1861 to 1865. Now an effort is underway to change the direction and philosophy of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Several national and local SCV leaders, under the influence of individuals such as Kirk Lyons, Commander-in-Chief Ron Wilson, and organizations like the League of the South (www.dixienet.org) and the Council of Conservative Citizens (www.cofcc.org) are leading the Sons of Confederate Veterans into modern-day political extremism: extremism that has no legitimate connection to the defense of Confederate heritage

Some of our SCV leaders, while portraying themselves as defenders of Confederate heritage, are actually frontmen for the LOS and CCC. They are working to promote the radical views of these organizations by usurping the good name and reputation of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. A look at the websites of the LOS and CCC will show that these two organizations and others (see below) are wrapping themselves in the battle flag, promoting their version of "Southern heritage" and appealing to legitimate conservative issues in order to lure SCV members into 21st century political extremism. Sadly, for some of our members this tactic has been successful. This direct involvement in modern political activism is in violation of our SCV Constitution and of the publicly stated goals of our founders. The CCC and LOS care nothing about the image of the Confederate soldier. What they actually want is to assume nation-wide control of the SCV with our 31,000 members, $5 million endowment, organizational infrastructure and 106 years of community service.

In October 2002, representatives from several North Carolina SCV camps, several N.C. Division officers, and a representative from South Carolina, met to discuss the SCV’s future. These representatives agreed that the linkage of the Confederate soldier and his symbols to modern social and political issues and organizations like neo-secessionism and separatism (LOS and Homerule-for-Dixie), immigration (CCC), tax reform (www.PatriotNetwork.info), gun control, abortion, fundamentalist religious views, etc., needlessly generates public hostility toward the SCV. While these are legitimate issues of concern to most Americans, the SCV’s guardianship of the Confederate soldier is not served by making him a recruiting-poster for any contemporary political agenda. Those attending the meeting concluded that the SCV must be withdrawn from any modern political activism that does not support and defend Confederate heritage: in short, that the original mission of the SCV must be restored.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The group met again several weeks later and agreed that:

the national membership must be informed of the situation;

the politicization of the SCV must be stopped, and

SCV leaders who are transforming the SCV into a modern political faction must be identified and voted out of office.

The Save the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SSCV) movement was publicly announced on November 16th with the mailing of over eight hundred letters to SCV camps all over the nation.

To accomplish our goal, Save the SCV is organizing a network of SCV members and camps throughout the nation who will publicly condemn the infiltration of the SCV by those with modern political agendas, and who will work toward their removal. We must condemn both the message and the messengers. If they are secessionists, let them join the League of the South. If they think racism is a virtue, let them join the CCC or the Ku Klux Klan. These individuals cannot defend the record of the Confederate soldier and pursue radical modern political agendas at the same time. If political activism is more important to them than the defense of Confederate heritage, they must leave our organization to pursue their agendas elsewhere.

Save the SCV needs the help and support of every SCV member who understands the nature of the crisis that now confronts our fine organization. Carefully read the information on this website. Give us your ideas. If you have questions, ask for more information. Give this information to anyone who is concerned about the cause of Confederate heritage.

We are organizing our network camp-by-camp, brigade-by-brigade, and division-by-division. We need additional points-of-contact in each state. As SCV camp, brigade and division commanders offer their support they will become responsible for coordinating this effort within their normal geographic areas of responsibility. Give us your address and/or phone number, or contact us by email at SaveTheSCV@Yahoo.com. Provide us with contact information for as many SCV members in as many camps as you can. Please check this website often for current information.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans is the only organization with the history, credibility and resources to successfully protect and defend our nation’s proud Confederate heritage from those enemies at both ends of the political spectrum who would destroy it. If that honorable mission is corrupted, ours will surely be a lost cause. Seldom in life is the choice between right and wrong so clear.

We must be steadfast in our loyalty to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Our Confederate heritage is too precious to abandon. Our forefathers are watching.
+++ I Believe This is ex-Members Of Sons Of Confedrate Veterans Whom Left or were fired when it Became Radical white ties to White supremacist...Mr Boatwright Formed a Group under the radicals while the Moderates were leaving....Hmmmm.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So Buttercup Are You telling me that Mr Boatwright was never a commander in this organization? Take a look at the Picture of Candidate for Sheriff Terry Boatwright Commander taking the charter of H.l. Hunley From Clay Martin in 2007 in above post.(Post 0752 am above)...So You Mean He was either fired or Quit?..Didn't he get the Folly Beach job in 6/07 and He is trying to leave already to become Dorchester County sheriff...How about The planning Commission in St. George is he still committed there?

By The Way buttercup Dean Mandrells article in Summerville Journal was interesting. It made it sound like he had no connections to Nash.(State Guard and Sheriffs office Connections)...

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.insider-magazine.com/MadsenFu...
Read This article Buttercup and Check Out the Guard,SCV and Military connections.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrepo...
Read this on Connection to scv Members stealing C4 and weapons from Guard armories.
Are You starting to see a pattern?..How Bout with Sheriff Nash and his secession Groups and Cult connections and employees?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrepo...
Leadership in the SCV with Ties to White Supremacists?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.main.nc.us/wncceib/lyAPscv129...
Keep reading. Do We Need a Commander in this Group to run for sheriff?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrepo...
Does This group condone racial in breeding?

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Buttercup for the sites you posted for the Hunley Camp. I have looked at the pictures that have been posted previously by another person and did observe the Charter of the Camp being presented to Boatwright. I believe he helped to organize the camp. I find it very sad that anyone would comment that the SCV is connected to hate groups. Both the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the Sons of Union Veterans http://www.suvcw.org/ ) are wonderful organizations. I do not understand what this has to do with the article or why it was brought up.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.savethescv.org/Friends%20Like...

Read this and Then Tell Me that this group hasn't turn radical...

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Your (sic) a Southern Traitor and must be eliminated.

Screw you and your Pro-Northern , Pro-Ethnic bonding bullsh-t attitude. You want the SCV to be non-racist, I prefer to purge the South of Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs.. Your type of philosophy is what caused the South its problems in the first place. Why not move to the north, let your daughter's (sic) sleep with the Nigge-s, Mexicans and forget about the south. We (Proud SCV Members) do not need you, The south does not need you. We need a Pro-White , Pro-South group of leaders instead of traitors within the ranks like yourself and your group of followers. From: Racist White (name not given)

Say what you will about people like David Duke, but I’ll rub elbows with him... From: David W. Berryman, SCV member since 1994.

All the members I have met seem to have a respect for history and love of white southern heritage. ... I had my boss take down my Mississippi state flag from my office because some damn nigg-r thought it was a rebel flag. It was under this screw you for being white attack that I joined the SCV and found like minded people. From: Jeff Honea

We started as an academic society, and we became political. We are building a nation, one person at a time. From: Larry Salley, League of the South/SCV member and law partner of Kirk Lyons.

Get out of the SCV and join the Southern Poverty Law Center with it’s Queers, scalawags, and minority pandering. From: Mike Herring, Camp 1282.

Trying to drive SCV’ers who support the ideology of secession out of SCV is (like?) trying to drive Southerners out of the South...From: Michael Crocker, founding Commander of the Gen. David F. Jamison Camp 1954

While y’all are sitting at CW Roundtable meetings discussing how much you love Adolph Lincoln, the rest of SCV will be out fighting for our heritage.... From: Mark V. Brandon. SCV.

Your gutless, ass kissing of the NAACP and Nation of Islam sour the bile in my stomach! From: "Ben Miles"

What in the hell do you wanna go and join an SCV camp that worships the yankee flag for? From: Patrick Fields, Major Ross Camp, Charlotte, N.C.

+++ Buttercup This is some excerpts from the last article++++Just in case you don't want to read

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)

It was a wonderful organization and had alot of good people as members. It Has become radicalized as you might want to read.
Carilinawren There are some great people that were partof this organization. There still might be some in there.But to say this is a great organization at this time is your opinion. I will respect that..The leadership has radical ties to White Supremacists.Yes?

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good afternoon Chris. What a beautiful spring day it is but the pollen is doing its job on me. Guess I should head North until it passes…What do ya think? *S*

You can find bad apples in some of our churches, and schools but that does not make all churches, schools bad. There were some rotten and I mean rotten apples where I worked but there were twice as many good ones that overwhelmed the bad ones. If we should believe everything we read or told as gospel truth, we would probably be having witch hunts and burning people at the stake. *L* What I am trying to say is, that you can find bad apples in every organization but there are always twice as many good ones if you really look. As a whole the SCV is still a very honorable organization and I do believe it is unfair to them as a whole to condemn them as a hate group.

Posted by buttercup on March 22, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Christpia Please don't get your undies in a wad I still love you *LOL*.All I asked you was to please show me where you got the information that Mr. Boatwright is the commander of the Hunley Camp. I had family members that fought In the War between the states .Some were able to come home and some died as in every war. I will say it again the Sons of the Confederate Veterans are a wonderful organization. Why are you angry with the Sons of the Confederate Veterans? What have they done?

Please show me where it states that Boatwright is the commander please doesn’t post information from 2/2007..I want to make sure that what you are telling the public is correct. Here is the information I found on the Hunley camp from 2/2008
Camp Commander.............…..Mr. Joe Willis
1st Lt. Commander.................. Mr. David Mitchell
2nd Lt. Commander................. Mr. Woody Brown
3rd Lt. Commander................. Mr. Timothy Hilton

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So Buttercup I assume that He is no longer a commander of the Hunley Group.Was He Fired or resign from SCV?. did they get rid of him because He was a radical?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He's like a Klan lawyer," is the way Texas Klan leader William Latham put it in a 1990 interview. "He understands our beliefs. He shares them."

In a 1992 speech to a gathering of the Populist Party, which had run David Duke for president four years earlier, Lyons summed up his views: "This is a global struggle that European people will not perish from the face of the earth, [and] if we are going to succeed in a worldwide movement, for that of white rights and a white future ... we must encourage professionalism."

In 1991, the PDF's name was changed to CAUSE, which stands for Canada, Australia, the United States, South Africa and Europe — the places where Lyons judged the rights of the white majority to be under attack.

Not long after the name change, the entire operation was relocated to Black Mountain, N.C. Lyons would later tell a reporter that the move — in which he was accompanied by Payne and Holloway — was prompted by financial problems and urban crime.

CAUSE didn't mince words. In a 1993 ad in White Aryan Resistance's racist newsletter, CAUSE described itself as "America's only pro-White law firm." A 1995 CAUSE solicitation for donations in Soldier of Fortune magazine read, "Help stop [U.S. Atty. Gen. Janet] Reno and her Gun Grabbing Goons."

Charles and Betty Tate soon left the Aryan Nations' Idaho compound to join their daughter in North Carolina, where Betty Tate took a position as a clerical assistant with CAUSE. And another addition was made to the organization: Sam Dic-son, a right-wing Georgia lawyer who had represented Duke and a number of Klansmen over the years, was added as a board director for CAUSE
Is Mr Kirk Lyons a High ranking Member of The SCV?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Meet Michael Tubbs. The former Green Beret demolitions expert, his hair grown long now, is vice chairman of the league's Northeast Florida chapter, and he's been photographed alongside league president Michael Hill. Tubbs is chaplain to the Florida SCV chapter and heads the SCV's "Flags Across Florida" campaign, which seeks to line the state's roadways with Confederate battle flags.

He also is a man with an unusual past.

In 1987, prosecutors say Sgt. First Class Michael R. Tubbs and another Army Green Beret, toting automatic weapons fitted with silencers and dressed completely in black, robbed two fellow soldiers of their M-16 rifles during a routine exercise at Fort Bragg, N.C. "This is for the KKK," the holdup men shouted as they fled.

The brazen armed robbery went unsolved for three years, during which time Tubbs, who was with the Special Forces for 12 years, became one of the first U.S. soldiers sent to the Middle East after Iraq invaded Kuwait.

While he was abroad, the wife of his partner in the 1987 holdup went to authorities. Ultimately, five caches of weapons were found, including machine guns, 25 pounds of TNT, land mines, an anti-aircraft machine gun, grenades, booby traps, 45 pounds of C-4 plastic explosive and more. (Authorities believe that the arsenal was stolen from Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell, Ky.)

They also found notes written by Tubbs that showed that he and his brother, John Tubbs, were setting up a violently racist group called the Knights of the New Order. Officials said Michael Tubbs had drawn up lists of targets including newspapers, television stations and businesses owned by Jews and blacks.

Is Michael tubbs Still a member of SCV? (Notice The Items were Taken From a Guard Facility)

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those who claim the Bush administration is a Nazi regime are not far from the truth
Posted in the database on Saturday, July 08th, 2006 @ 15:21:04 MST (577 views)
by Wayne Madsen The Wayne Madsen Report

This story is a special investigation of Bush family slush funds, smuggling, and secret money conduits from and to various right-wing causes, including some that are extremely violent. The New York Times is running a story today about the U.S. military recruiting Aryan Nation, neo-Nazi, and other white supremacists into its ranks. The Times' report states that Neo-Nazi graffiti has sprung up in Baghdad, in quoting from a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The involvement of white supremacy and neo-Nazi groups with the Pentagon began in earnest during the administrations of Reagan and Bush I. According to informed sources who have tracked the neo-Nazis since the Reagan era, the surge in extreme right-wing elements in the Federal government was spurred on by the network of Nicaraguan Contra support activities created to facilitate going around the prohibitions enacted by the Congress. A key member of that strategy was Cheney's Chief of Staff David Addington, who was with the CIA, the Iran-Contra Committee in Congress, and then signed on as senior Vice President for the American Trucking Associations (ATA). WMR reported yesterday on the involvement of a foundation set up by McLean Trucking Co., a member of the ATA, with covert Contra support.

The ATA is a hotbed of GOP activity as well past connections with support for covert CIA activities. Its chief lobbyist is Jim ("Whit") Whittinghill, a former aide to Sen. Bob Dole. Whittinghill's wife, Nancy Dorn, served as an assistant to Texas Representative Tom Loeffler and later served as Special Assistant for Legislative Affairs to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. Dorn also served as 1989-93), Nancy Dorn worked for Defense Secretary Di-k Cheney as Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works and Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Inter-American Affairs. While working for Cheney, Dorn became a close associate of Addington. Dorn was also Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs. In 2001, Dorn returned to government after acting as a lobbyist for Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and China. She became special assistant for legislative affairs to Vice President Cheney. In 2002, Dorn became the Deputy Director for the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), where she served until 2003 before becoming Vice President for Government Relations of General Electric, the parent company of NBC and NBC News. (This puts into context the partisan pro-Bush editorial slants of the network's news division, particularly Nora O'Donnell, Campbell Brown, Brian Williams, Tim Russert, and Chris Matthews).

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Posted by buttercup on March 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris you still did not answer my question show me where Mr. Boatwright was ever commander of the Hunley Group.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In the late 1980s and early 90s, Dorn was associated with the network of right-wing neo-confederates who were gaining tremendous influence in the Republican Party. While the Army's chief of civil works, Dorn had control over Arlington National Cemetery and issued guidance on how the Confederate Memorial Committee of the District of Columbia could hold its annual ceremony at the cemetery's Confederate War Memorial and pay for it with funds provided by the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). According to John Edward Hurley, a one-time associate of White House correspondent Sarah McClendon and the head of the non-partisan Confederate Memorial Association (CMA), South Carolina GOP operative and Confederate Memorial Committee chairman Richard T. Hines, now a major lobbyist (RTH Consulting) in Washington, DC (whose clients include Gambia, Saudi Arabia, Cambodia, and Nigeria), arranged with the UDC to have funds transferred for the Confederate monument and ceremony from sources in the South associated with far right-wing elements. Hines, who was close to South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond, saw to it money was transferred from Metrolina Bank in Charlotte, North Carolina (connected to North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms), to First American Bank in Virginia (then owned by the CIA-connected Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)), to the Mid-Atlantic Credit Union in Gaithersburg, Maryland. One of the officials involved in this money movement was the chief accountant for Edison Electric Institute, which was working closely with Enron and, along with Enron, was one of the largest contributors to the Bush and GOP campaign coffers.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The impetus for the Confederate revival at Arlington Cemetery was promoted by the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) Jefferson Davis Camp Number 305. Its members included a number of individuals associated with white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which was the source of the New York Times article on Aryan Nation and neo-Nazi penetration of the U.S. military, the SCV has come under the control of racists and Ku Klux Klansmen. Denne Sweeney, on the urging of SCV Camp 305 member Kirk Lyons, an attorney for the Klan, took over as SCV commander in 2004. According to the CMA's Hurley, Lyons, who ran the Houston-based Southern Legal Resource Center (SLRC) (a right-wing rival of the SPLC), was significantly funded by Hines. Lyons later moved the SLRC to Black Mountain in western North Carolina. According to Hurley and the SPLC, the SCV and SLRC are part of a vast network of far right organizations, including the Council of Conservative Citizens (a successor to the Klan-linked White Citizens Councils), the secessionist Southern Partisan magazine (for which Hines arranged an interview with then Missouri Senator John Ashcroft), the secessionist League of the South, the Aryan Nations, the National Association for the Advancement of White People, and the National Socialist White Americans' Party).

With the recent news about neo-Nazi and Klan penetration of the U.S. military, it is noteworthy that Hines' wife, Patricia Mayes Hines, was the U.S. Army's Deputy Assistant Secretary for Manpower and Reserve Affairs during the George H. W. Bush administration. Mrs. Hines served under Cheney along with Dorn, who was permitting neo-Confederate penetration of Arlington Cemetery, and David Addington, who was continuing to help cover up the elder Bush's role in Iran-Contra as Cheney's General Counsel, and Lewis I. "Scooter" Libby, who was Principal Deputy Under Secretary for Strategy and Resources and Deputy Undersecretary for Policy, and was also involved in senior Bush's covert operations abroad. Hines, who was an associate of the late Lee Atwater, Karl Rove's dirty tricks doppelganger, practiced his dirty tricks trade for George W. Bush in his home state against John McCain in the vicious 2000 GOP primary
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is noteworthy that on the day he was arrested, Murrah Federal building bomber Timothy McVeigh was wearing a Southern Partisan magazine T-shirt bearing the Latin phrase, Sic Semper Tyrannis, along with a portrait of Abraham Lincoln. The phrase was shouted by John Wilkes Booth after he shot to death President Lincoln at Ford's Theater. Another violent connection to the neo-confederates is the FBI's VANPAC (Vance Political Assassination Conspiracy) case that involved white supremacist mail bombings directed against Federal judges. According to the Department of Justice, "four mail bombs [were] sent in December 1989 to different locations in the southeastern United States. One killed federal judge Robert Vance [11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals] in Alabama, a second killed a civil rights attorney [Robert Robinson] in Georgia, and two others [one at the U.S. Courthouse in Atlanta and the other at the NAACP headquarters in Jacksonville, Florida] were discovered before they exploded. A massive investigation ensued involving the FBI and several other law enforcement agencies. The FBI referred to the case as VANPAC because it involved the assassination of Judge Vance [at his home] with a bomb sent in a mail package. In June 1991, a federal jury convicted Walter LeRoy Moody, Jr. [a former Klansman] on charges related to the bombings." Louis Freeh, Jr. was appointed the Special Prosecutor in the VANPAC case. After moving the case from Birmingham, Alabama to St. Paul, Minnesota, and after introducing tainted evidence, Freeh won a successful conviction of Moody, who was sentenced to seven life sentences. An Alabama court sentenced Moody to death. In appreciation for his work, Freeh was nominated as U.S. District Court judge for the southern district of New York. In 1993, President Clinton named Freeh to be FBI Director, where he served during the McVeigh case and the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky investigations of Clinton. Vance was a progressive Democrat in Alabama, having served as Democratic Party chairman for the state for 11 years. At the time of his death, several Alabama political figures cited "drugs" and "Colombian cartels" as the reason for the mail bombings directed at Federal judges. Vance, a Jimmy Carter appointee, had incurred the wrath of the neo-confederates who viewed him as too liberal and called him the "Daniel Ortega of Alabama." Because of the mail bombings directed against the Federal judiciary (Moody threatened to kill 17 judges), there were a number of judicial resignations around the United States, which allowed George H. W. Bush to replace them with his own people.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Southern Partisan" T-shirt worn by right-wing terrorist bomber Timothy McVeigh. George W. Bush has appointed many neo-confederates to top jobs in his administration.

The threat against judges resumed under Bush's son, George W. Bush. In 2005, after being threatened with death by white supremacist and World Church of the Creator (now "Creativity Movement") head Matthew Hale, U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow, discovered the bodies of her 64-year old husband and 89-year old mother at her home. They had been brutally murdered. In a bizarre development, a Chicago man named Bart Ross shot himself in a Milwaukee suburb after being pulled over by police for a traffic violation. Police said they found a suicide note in which Ross claimed responsibility for the murders of Judge Lefkow's husband and mother. However, Ross had no known connections to any white supremacist organizations. Hale had been convicted for threatening Judge Lefkow's life and obstruction of justice. Threatening judges was not confined to people like Hale. Then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay threatened judges when he stated, "the time will come for the men responsible for the death of Terri Schiavo to answer for their behavior." Senator Frank Lautenberg wrote to DeLay, stating he was "stunned to read the threatening comments . . . directed at federal judges and our nation's courts of law in general."

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The involvement of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with U.S. Special Forces, reported by the SPLC and New York Times, also bears on the neo-confederate penetration of the Bush administration. Ashbury International Group, of Sterling, Virginia, a private military contractor (PMC) offering the services of its ex-Special Forces personnel to the government, lost a lawsuit brought against its plans to build a shooting range in Nelson County, Virginia on the plantation of Confederate Congressman William Portcher Mills, the man who designed the Confederate flag. Appearing as a witness for Ashbury was Michael Garcia, a former Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security for Immigration and Customs Enforcement and now the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, along with attorneys for the National Rifle Association. Another Special Forces link to the neo-confederates is retired Army Lt. Col. Jeffrey Addicott, a former counsel for the US Special Forces assigned to the Pentagon and, who, according to the CMA's Hurley, was a close associate of top officials in the neo-confederate movement. Addicott is currently the Director of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's College of Law in San Antonio, Texas and he chaired a panel at the National Defense Industrial Association's 2006 Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict (SO/LIC) conference, an event attended by every major PMC, including those making huge profits in Iraq. Hurley released the following statement on August 31, 2005, that implicates a number of Bush I and II officials in the neo-confederate movement and the Iran-Contra affair, including Chief Justice John Roberts:

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A Washington association executive has called for an investigation into the role of Supreme Court nominee John Roberts when he represented the National Credit Union Administration, a regulatory agency of the federal government. He charged that there was a bizarre intervention by the NCUA to quash a subpoena for a personal account while Roberts was representing the group.

Hurley, president of the Confederate Memorial Association which owned and operated the only Confederate museum in the nation's capital, said that ongoing litigation against his association had been traced to Contra supporters and present and former employees in the general counsels office of the National Credit Union Administration. Moreover, Hurley said that evidence indicated that a $500,000 political slush fund was being covered up.

Hurley said a court order approving a $15,000 fraudulent legal bill, after being issued nearly two years ago, was mysteriously submitted to the bank last week. A two-year lapse in collecting court ordered fees is unheard of, and Hurley contends that this shows that the White House is concerned about illegal NCUA activities being exposed while Roberts represented the group.

A "Freedom Fighter" fundraiser was scheduled after Roberts had made several recommendations on the subject while he was in the White House Counsels' office. Moreover, Carl "Spitz" Channell and Richard Miller, who were raising private funds for the Contras, had met in the White House to ask support for the Contras (as the Walsh Iran/Contra Report noted). After the Roberts memos counseled that Contra fundraising should be held outside the White House, a "Freedom Fighter Night" was scheduled on July 12, 1986 to be held in October of 1986 at Confederate Memorial Hall. Hurley said that he cancelled the October event. However, prior to this, a previous reception at the Hall had been attended by White House personnel. Hurley added that the invitation to the October event was sent from the Capital Yacht Club.

Roberts represented the National Credit Union Administration when he was with Hogan and Hartson. In 1997, Roberts argued the NCUA case before the Supreme Court, which dealt with expanding the banking market for credit unions. In that case, Robert M. Fenner was listed as counsel for the NCUA with Roberts
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hurley said that Fenner had employed David Eno as the head of his fraud hotline operation at NCUA. According to Hurley, Eno was a commander of the Jefferson Davis Camp No. 305 of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an organization that sued the Confederate Memorial Association. Kirk Lyons, an attorney who has represented the KKK and the Aryan Nation, is an officer in the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Eno and Richard Hines, another commander of the Jefferson Davis Camp and the husband of White House Domestic Policy advisor Patricia Hines, were behind the litigation against the Confederate Memorial Association.

Hurley said that the mysterious political funding that was used in the litigation against his organization was also used for the annual Confederate ceremonies at Arlington National Cemetery. He charged that the funds were part of a secret political slush fund that was wired overnight through a bank in Charlotte by Department of Energy attorney Stephen Page Smith. The funds were traced to the Mid-Atlantic Federal Credit Union in Gaithersburg, Maryland which was regulated by Roberts' client, the NCUA. .

A subpoena for this account was quashed by D.C. Superior Court Judge John H. Bayly. The motion to quash was submitted to Judge Bayly by attorney Stephen Bisker, a former employee of NCUA's Robert Fenner and current contractor for the NCUA who works for a major credit union auditing firm. .

Hurley also believes that another $500,000 of illegal political donations from the American Defense Institute may now be in the account, noting that attorney Thomas L. O'Neill was on the ADI board and was another attorney litigating against Mr. Hurley's association.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alan Rothenberg, yet another attorney litigating against the Confederate Memorial Association, is the treasurer of the U.S. Premier Federal Credit Union. The president of the USPFCU was Randolph Earnest, assistant to Ambassador David A. Gross, U.S. Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy at the State Department and the former executive director of Lawyers for Bush-Cheney, a group that worked with Roberts during the 2000 election.

Roberts also represented the National Mining Association. Hurley say that Herbert Harmon, the chief lawyer in the massive litigation against the Confederate Memorial Association, uses his home as a contact address for the Rio Tinto mining operation, the largest in the world.

The high-profile Confederate ceremonies in Arlington National Cemetery are held in June and are attended by such notables as Richard B. Abell, a former Department of Justice Assistant Secretary in charge of the Office of Justice Programs and current magistrate for the U.S. Court of Claims; Nicholas D. Ward, who serves on the Probate and Fiduciary Rules Advisory Committee of the D.C. Superior Court; and Robert Wilkie, who currently serves on the National Security Council staff at the White House.

Another prominent lawyer supporting the legal action against Hurley is Col. Jeffrey Addicott, former senior legal counsel for the Special Forces and current director of the Center for Terrorism Law.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When Judge Bayly jailed Hurley in 1997 for objecting to the quashing of the subpoena for the Mid-Atlantic account which Hurley believes to be at the behest of the NCUA, Hurley sold the century-old D.C. museum. The strange motion to quash "by someone other than the holder of the account shows a massive fraud and an obstruction of justice in his case," Hurley said.

Hurley cited a Maryland trial that continues this week as an example of the perilous consequences of dealing with white supremacists. The trial involves the largest arson in the history of the state. All of the burned homes in Charles County belonged to blacks. The chief witness against the Confederate Memorial Association was Lewis Doherty, who is now listed as an organizer of the neo-Nazi National Alliance that was distributing white supremacist literature in Charles County prior to the arsons.

Hurley is calling for a complete investigation of John Roberts connection with the planned "Freedom Fighter" reception, the National Credit Union Administration, the National Mining Association and the Rio Tinto mining operation. He said that all the facts about Roberts in these matters should be known before there is "a secular canonization of this man for the highest court."

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WMR has learned that under Bush I, the CIA's use of the trucking industry and cocaine shipments, blossomed. This was no where more apparent than in the state of South Carolina. In 1989, state Representative Ron Cobb was snared by the FBI in a cocaine bust. Cobb, a Democrat, was charged with trying to buy a kilo of cocaine for $20,000 from an undercover FBI agent. Cobb said he was entrapped to allow the FBI to obtain a covert operative inside the South Carolina legislature. Cobb was set up as the head of a phony Atlanta-based lobbying company -- Alpha Group -- and directed by his FBI handlers to bribe South Carolina legislators into pushing a bill to legalize horse and dog track betting in South Carolina. Rep. Robert Kohn of Charleston was brought in by Cobb to entrap white legislators while Rep. Luther Taylor was drafted to bring African American legislators. In all, 17 legislators pleaded guilty or were convicted of drug and racketeering charges. Kohn received a lighter sentence for testifying against his colleagues.

According to Hurley, Kohn's activities in trying to bribe a judge in South Carolina in order to get a Florence, South Carolina truck stop owner and major Republican contributor off the hook for a cocaine bust, were never adequately pursued by the FBI, mainly because of links between the South Carolina cocaine smuggling operations, trucking companies, and Ku Klux Klan and southern white supremacist organizations that were assisting in the distribution of cocaine in support of George H. W. Bush's Iran-Contra money-making scheme. According to the CMA's Hurley, Kohn's association with Hines, himself a former member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, was known to the FBI. But Hines, as a top GOP figure, was "off limits" as far as the FBI was concerned. The FBI told Hurley that "political influence" in the judge bribery case made it impossible for them to continue with an investigation, which was said to have involved cocaine.

Hines was certainly no stranger to the trucking business, having held a position under the Reagan administration with the now-defunct Interstate Commerce Commission, which regulated the trucking industry, and the Department of Transportation. Trucking firms associated with the American Trucking Association were part and parcel with the national cocaine distribution network in the United States, according to sources familiar with the covert operation. The Iran-Contra smuggling operation also saw money from illegal drug sales and off-shore bank account caches making their way into the campaign coffers of a number of U.S. political candidates, mostly Republicans but also including a few Democrats.
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Illicit campaign contributions were particularly targeted at Florida officials in the state's important Panhandle, a haven and nexus for drug and weapons smuggling involving the CIA and Latin America during Iran-Contra. According to Florida sources, Jim Appleman, the Florida State Attorney for the 14th Judicial District of Florida who was based in Panama City, Florida, gave protection to Bush Senior's Iran-Contra smuggling operations in northern Florida. Appleman's 2000 campaign treasurer, Gerald R. Stanton, was President of Mutual Development Corporation, a Federal Savings & Loan Insurance Corporation entity that only existed on paper and eventually siphoned off the S&L proceeds confiscated by the U.S. government. Much of that money ended up in Bush family coffers. Two of the Bush sons, Neil (Silverado S&L) and Jeb (Broward Federal S&L) were intimately tied into the S&L collapse. George W. Bush, through his financial stake in Harken Energy, benefited from money provided by the defunct Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), a major avenue for Iran-Contra weapons and drug money laundering activities. Marvin Bush served as Finance Chairman of the Virginia Republican Party until 1991, after the collapse of the S&Ls.

While Marvin's role in the S&L collapse and the Iran-Contra drug and weapons smuggling scheme at first appears sketchy, a detailed analysis of contributions to the GOP while Marvin served as the Virginia Republican Party's finance chair shows definite links between the youngest Bush brother and the CIA-led network. Farhad Azima, an Iranian expatriate who was close to the Shah's family, owned Global International, which was involved in transporting arms for the CIA along with an associated air company, Race Aviation. Azima was a major contributor to the GOP, including Virginia Senate and House candidates, when Marvin was in charge of finances for the Virginia Republicans. The contributions came from Aviation Leasing and LCA Partners, two of Azima's companies. Global's planes were maintained by Southern Air Transport, a CIA proprietary that flew weapons to the Contras and drugs back from Latin America. Azima was also involved with Mario Renda in Indian Springs Bank of Kansas City. Renda, who was convicted of bilking $16 million from the S&Ls and tax fraud, was a Long Island mob figure who brokered drug money laundering for the CIA and the National Security Council. Renda was associated with four collapsed Virginia Savings & Loans: Heritage S&L, Investors S&L, Virginia Beach Federal S&L, and First S&L. Indian Springs collapsed in 1984, a year after its president died in a suspicious car fire.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The never-ending parade of Bush family slush funds.

While the air transport segment of the Bush crime family's weapons and drug smuggling operation involved CIA proprietary firms and mob elements, the ground segment involved trucking firms, some of which were tied to white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations. These are the organizations that are now infiltrating the U.S. military with a wink and a nod from the Bush administration. The money amassed by the Bushes from these operations also found their way into secret bank accounts abroad and blind trusts in the United States.

According to Insider-Magazine.com's John Caylor, the CIA used its proprietary airline companies in Florida to ship in drugs and distribute them nationally. According to Caylor, "former Lt. Col. Thomas Bledsoe, a former owner of Kenworth of Dothan, Alabama and past President of Alabama Truckers Association [and director of CIA proprietary Tepper Aviation, which was associated with Crestview Aerospace Corporation], supplied transportation and possible storage of the goods [cocaine and weapons]. Bledsoe also flew truck parts nationwide to truckers with his fleet of pilots and fixed wing aircraft.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

U.S. Customs Intelligence reports I’ve laid my eyes on say the Tepper planes would land late at night with several armed masked men in black guarding the aircraft with sub-machine guns while supervising the on-loading of tractor trailer rigs and local law enforcement were told to stay the hell away. Bledsoe became irritated after Customs opened the cover-up investigation and moved his yacht from BayPoint, Florida to Fort Lauderdale. Chief Lee Sullivan was reportedly on his payroll. According to those same reports Tepper employed 17 pilots in 1992, was caught with stolen military tanks on board an aircraft and a gun-battle almost ensued between U.S. Customs and Tepper black ops people. Tepper was part of the Iran-Contra network and in its first air crash in Angola, Bub Petty, a Tepper owner from Dothan, was killed." Caylor, who has extensive sources inside the FBI, Customs, and DEA, reported that Tepper/Crestview maintained drug and weapons smuggling operations right alongside the DEA at the San Antonio, Texas airport. The Alabama Trucking Association is a member of the American Trucking Associations, where Cheney's Chief of Staff Addington used to hang his hat. The American Trucking Associations suffered the loss of its Vice President for Public Affairs, Michael Russell on June 15, 2006. The former Department of Transportation official, veteran newsman, press secretary for Michigan Democratic Senator Donald Riegle (whose Senate Banking Committee investigated George H. W. Bush's and Ronald Reagan's supply of weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussein), Michigan Democratic Rep. William Ford, and Vice President Al Gore's National Performance Review, and resident of Sterling, Virginia, died in a rafting accident in Colorado. Russell reportedly fell out of his raft and drowned.

Drugs moved into the United States and throughout distribution channels controlled by the Mafia, the Latin American cartels, and the Chinese. While most people know about Iran-Contra, few have heard about "China-Contra." The Reagan and Bush I administrations received a significant amount of arms for the Contras from the Chinese, who were paid back in cocaine. During the height of the Iran-Contra operation, the FBI conducted a huge cocaine bust in Belize. The arrests led to a route in which the Chinese were distributing their cocaine through drug routes that went by air from Belize to Mena, Arkansas and then to Chinese crime syndicates throughout the United States and Canada.

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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The drug smuggling business was a financial windfall for the Bush family. With slush funds in BCCI and the S&Ls, the Bush family could move large amounts of money to their friends in the Republican Party and fatten the campaign coffers for candidates and office holders who would be permanently beholden to the Bushes. But the mother lode for Bush money remained in off-shore secret bank accounts. Adler B. "Barry" Seal was a former TWA pilot who had flown marijuana and cocaine into the United States since the 1970s. When he was arrested in 1983, Seal had already flown 100 flights into the United States each carrying between 600 and 1200 pounds of cocaine, equating to a street value of between $3 and $5 billion. However, Seal became a witness and informant for the government and proved invaluable for grand juries investigating how drug smuggling worked in the United States. But that testimony came too close to certain top leaders who had been involved in the Iran-Contra and China-Contra scandals. On February 19, 1986, at the height of the Iran-Contra scandal, Seal was murdered gangland style in Baton Rouge, Louisiana at a halfway house where he was assigned. Those who relied on Seal's testimony and cooperation in the drug war, including Louisiana Attorney General William Guste, Jr., were aghast that such an important witness and informant had no protection from the government. The government, of which the number two man was George H. W. Bush, top kingpin in the smuggling. According to those close to the Seal family, after Seal was gunned down, several Swiss bank account numbers were discovered on papers found in the trunk of Seal's car. They were all in the name of George H. W. Bush. The numbers were confiscated by Federal agents.

After the collapse of BCCI and the S&Ls, the Bush family required a new slush fund. It would not be a bank but something with which the Bushes were very familiar -- an energy company specializing in oil and natural gas. Enron, headed up by Bush friend and contributor Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay would fill the vacuum left by BCCI and the S&Ls. Enron, operating with dubious funds from Saudi Arabia, Russia, and other sources, would become the launching pad for George W. Bush's run for the governorship of Texas and the presidency of the United States. Enron's corporate jet was used by Bush in the 2000 campaign. Kenny Boy and George H. W. and W. Bush were close friends. But after Enron served its purpose, it, too, was allowed to collapse. Just as with BCCI and the S&Ls, Enron's employees and shareholders took a bath, while its corporate dons cashed out before the financial doomsday arrived
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

However, another Bush "phoenix" would arise from the ashes of Enron. Northern Trust, a Chicago-based multinational financial firm, would assume control of Enron's pension plans, employee savings accounts, 401Ks, and Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) funds. After Enron's bankruptcy in 2002, Northern Trust and Enron's principals (including Ken Lay, Jeffrey Skilling, Andy Fastow, Lou Pai, and Cliff Baxter (who supposedly committed suicide before his appearance before a grand jury as a star witness for the government) were sued in the Houston U.S. District Court by ex-Enron employees.

Just before Lay and Skilling were convicted in the Enron case for fraud, Northern Trust submitted Form 10Q to the Securities and Exchange Commission stating the outcome of the suit against Northern Trust:

"One subsidiary of the Corporation [Northern Trust] was named as a defendant in several Enron-related class action suits that were consolidated under a single complaint in the Federal District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston). Individual participants in the employee pension benefit plans sponsored by Enron Corp. sued various corporate entities and individuals, including the Bank in its capacity as the former directed trustee of the Enron Corp. Savings Plan and former service-provider for the Enron Corp. Employee Stock Ownership Plan. The lawsuit made claims, inter alia, for breach of fiduciary duty to the plan participants, and sought equitable relief and monetary damages in an unspecified amount against the defendants. On September 30, 2003, the court denied the Bank’s motion to dismiss the complaint as a matter of law. In an Amended Consolidated Complaint filed on January 2, 2004, plaintiffs continued to assert claims against the Bank and other defendants under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974, seeking a finding that defendants are liable to restore to the benefit plans and the plaintiffs hundreds of millions of dollars of losses allegedly caused by defendants’ alleged
breaches of fiduciary duty. In June 2003, after conducting an extensive investigation, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) filed a civil action against numerous parties charging that they violated their obligations to the Enron plan participants. The DOL did not name any Northern Trust entity or employee as a defendant in its suit. On March 31, 2006, the Corporation announced that the Bank had reached an agreement with counsel for the plaintiffs in the Enron lawsuit to seek approval of a settlement of that class action at $37.5 million, all of which will be paid by the Corporation's insurance carriers. Before the
settlement can be finalized, it will have to be approved by the court. On April 20, 2006, the court gave preliminary approval to the settlement. A hearing at which the court may give final approval of the settlement is scheduled for July 24, 2006.
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As part of the proposed settlement, the Corporation has agreed to give up any claim it might have against Enron, presently in bankruptcy, arising out of or relating to the Enron employee benefit plans."

Now, here is where we go full circle back to Bush and Florida. According to IRS Form 8872, filed by the Americans for Free Speech, a GOP Political Action Committee (PAC) located at 2020 Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington, DC, between Aug. 8, 2004 and September 30, 2004 -- right in the middle of the presidential election campaign between George W. Bush and John Kerry, affiliated PACs, including Americans for Jobs, Families for Conservative Values [also located at 2020 Pennsylvania Ave.], and Taxpayers for Conservative Government and Floridians for Conservative Values [both located in Tallahassee, Florida] contributed a little less than $1 million to Americans for Free Speech. The Americans for Free Speech laundered the money to other right-wing political committees [South Florida Community Council in Coral Gables; People for Fairness and Equality and Citizens for Safer Streets in Tallahassee; and Alliance for Protecting Seniors in Washington, DC] which, in turn, made contributions to various candidates, mostly Republicans but also a few Democrats. One of these recipients was Stephen Meadows, a Democrat, but the Bush family's hand picked successor to Florida State Attorney Jim Appleman in the 14th Judicial District of Florida. Meadows would continue to look out for the interests of the Bushes in the Florida Panhandle as Appleman had for the Iran-Contra and S&L frauds. The Americans for Free Speech also listed an interesting recipient of its expenditures: a Northern Trust office in North Palm Beach, Florida received payment for handling the money wires from and to the GOP PACs.
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

On April 18, 2005, The Chicago Tribune ran a story on George W. Bush's 2004 Federal Income Tax Return. Bush listed his address as: Post Office Box 803968, Chicago, Illinois, 60680. The post office box is the downtown post office box of -- Northern Trust -- the financial group that held Enron's pension and other financial assets. It is also the holding company that maintains George W. Bush's blind trust. Bush money, Enron money, GOP right-wing PAC money, and God only knows what covert action funds, all handled by the same company. It does sound all so familiar. Enron is dead and so is Ken Lay. Long live the new Bush slush fund -- Northern Trust. The question remains. What did Ken Lay know about Northern Trust? One can assume plenty. For the Bushes, its better that one dead man is now in a position to keep their secrets.

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The Wayne Madsen Report

Wayne Madsen
July 6. 2006

While many people believe Karl Rove is the most powerful and heartless White House advisers in the Bush-Cheney administration, Di-k Cheney's friend, counsel, and Chief of Staff David Addington is not less influential and ruthless. Addington, an Army brat who lived in Saudi Arabia where his father was stationed, never made it through the Naval Academy having dropped out during his freshman year as a Midshipman. Addington, described as a conservative Catholic, received his undergraduate degree from Georgetown and law degree from Duke. After Ronald Reagan's inauguration, Addington worked in the General Counsel's office at the CIA where he helped cover up Director Bill Casey's secret and illegal role in involving the agency in the Iran-Contra scandal. Addington honed his cover-up skills at the CIA. Working with the Republican minority staff on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and becoming Republican counsel on the Iran-Contra committee, Addington ensured that details of Oliver North's and Elliott Abrams' global panhandling for the Contras remained as secretive as possible. After all, many of the countries involved in secretly funding the Contras were dictatorships close to Vice President George H. W. Bush, including Saudi Arabia
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Addington never liked congressional interference with illegal activities carried out by Republican administrations. He felt that Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan were hamstrung by meddlesome members of Congress, independent prosecutors, and federal judges. In this, Addington had an ideological soul mate in Di-k Cheney, Ford's Chief of Staff. When George H. W. Bush became President and appointed Cheney as Secretary of Defense, Cheney hired Addington as his personal special assistant and later as General Counsel for the Defense Department. If Addington and Cheney were closer than friends and ideological doppelgangers, they would have had to go to Ikea to pick out furniture.

After Clinton became President in 1993, Addington would find that his old connections to Iran-Contra figures would pay off handsomely. Addington became senior vice president and general counsel for the American Trucking Association, a lobby long associated with right-wing causes. According to CIA sources who were involved with the Iran-Contra operations, one of the American Trucking Association's most influential member companies was McLean Trucking Company, one of America's largest trucking firms. The firm was reportedly connected to an entity called the McLean Foundation, which helped funnel money to the Contras. Whatever deals Addington knew about the relationship between McLean, the American Trucking Association, and the CIA, it was clear they were significant enough for the trucking industry to give him a high paying job after the Democrats took over the White House. During his stint for the truckers, Addington formed a political action committee called the Alliance for American Leadership, an exploratory committee for a presidential run by Cheney in 1996. Addington also worked for the Holland & Knight law firm, which is very close to Florida Governor Jeb Bush
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Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

H. L. Hunley SCV Camp #143
Chartering Ceremony
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Commander Terry Boatwright receives charter with Clay Martin representing the SC Division.
See my Post at 0753am.. This is Terry Boatwright Correct?.....He Did receive a Charter after the Radical Takeover of SCv Correct?.....Do You drink The Local Water?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Carolinawren.....These secession Groups and Religious Groups have some serious Radical ties.. Law enforcement should be investigating them and We should not be electing anyone from these groups....Period..
Some of these people are a direct threat to our country..So when I Hear secession,i think it dishonors All of Our Veterans whom fought and died for this Great Country.

Posted by buttercup on March 22, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ChrisPia I am fully aware you know how to do Google searches and how to copy and paste. I am sure that I and perhaps others would rather read posts that you have written and not what you have copied from somewhere on the internet. It is so much more informative when you are able to communicate in a civil, not angry, hostile matter. You are fully ready to attack and belittle
who is not on your same wave length? I do not think I am being unreasonable or attacking you when I ask a question. If it is not too much that I am asking you, and then please explain.

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If Terry Boatwright was not a Member of The SCV Hunley camp as a commander you should take it up with the website. It does show his picture numerous times and has him raising his hand swearing in..Now If He is No Longer a commander I would like to know why....
Your question which wasn't answered in words was because it was above at 0753am...
What has been changed now doesn't matter. It is still taken over by Radicals at a National level. The National Agenda is followed by the camps.Is that a fair Statement?
His affiliations with Ray Nash ,Christian exodus and Bill Gothard are also a concern......
Is mr Boatwright affiliated With Mr bill Gothard In any Way?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can also read and make my own decisions as to what I am Researching.(without permission)

Posted by ChrisPia on March 22, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is the Best way I can describe my Concerns.
Christian exodus-Secession Group from US by Southern States
Way International- Cult record of Stolen explosives from guard facilities.
SCV-Leaders with white Supremacist ties,Numerous records of stolen Military arms and explosive from Guard facilities.
Bill Gothard-Training in Joels army and Alert Camps
Ray Nash Member of Christian exodus,Bill gothard,SC Guardsman
John R. Barnes US Navy- Col.SC state Guard jail chief
ETC ETC ETC.. Do You see where I am going Here? Many pieces of the Puzzle..

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris…. I do agree that there are many folks who do have very serious radical ties and should be investigated but who do we chose from to investigate the investigators? I am very concerned about what is happening in our government and in our everyday surroundings. Have you ever researched the Skull and Bones Society??? Shouldn’t they be of greater concern? http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldo...

I also just did a search on secession groups. http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldo... This one is located in Vermont! I don’t recall Vermont ever being considered a southern state. Another group I read about is in California.

What do you think of these above groups?

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Chris....I posted the same link twice...the other l meant to post is http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont...

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Chris....I think the pollen has really clogged my brain. I posted the same link twice... the second one should have been http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont...

Posted by CarolinaWren on March 22, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

holy blank! The Pollen made me post it again! *LOL*

Posted by ChrisPia on March 23, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I Believe The Vermont Group and The california group went to the 1st and second Annual secession convention. There also was a group from Hawaii...I researched Skull and Bones years ago.It was an interesting 6 plus years.I am concerned as to what is happening Here in Dorchester County as well as around the country. It's Disgusting.
Hope everyone has a great Easter.God bless All!

Posted by ChrisPia on March 23, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://middleburyinstitute.org/secession...
This is the second Secession convention in 2007. It will show Christian exodus leaders and scv leaders etc

Posted by ChrisPia on March 23, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://middleburyinstitute.org/secession...
This is the first in 2006

Posted by Creeker01 on March 24, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK.

From now on if I see the poster is "ChrisPia", I'll automatically ignore. I'll just think "Conspiracy Theory Nutjob is at it again."

Oh, and I seriously hope that in all of that drivel, Terry Boatwright... an upstanding person whom I know ... finds something to file a lawsuit against you with.

I think its funny how much of your day you wasted copying and pasting for one or two people to actually sift through your twisted fetish.

*clicks ignore button*

Posted by ChrisPia on March 24, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does the reading of this alleged conspiracy Bother you that much Creeker? ....
Or is it the facts that bother you?
Creeker01 Didn't you have that same opinion of Ray Nash?

Posted by ChrisPia on March 24, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CarolinaWren, There was also a group from Yale at one of conventions,If I'm Not Mistaken.... and the pollen is killing me also.BUT Azalea Park is worth my annoyances...It's Beautiful this time of year.