Ravenel, supplier ready to pay price
Pair want to begin prison sentences now, despite offer of delay
Former state Treasurer Thomas Ravenel wants to report to prison early, giving up on an extension that would have kept him free for an additional five months.
His co-defendant and former cocaine supplier wants to report early as well, opting to pass on the same delay that would have run until August.
Attorneys for the two men filed the requests with U.S. District Judge Joseph Anderson Jr. on Wednesday.
During his sentencing last week, Anderson gave Ravenel five months to report to the Bureau of Prisons. The delay would have given authorities more time to seal other Charleston cocaine cases with Ravenel's help and give him the opportunity to seek a decrease in his 10-month sentence if officials demonstrated his contribution was significant.
Ravenel is continuing to cooperate with authorities but that he wants to report to prison now to "put his life back together," his attorney, Bart Daniel, said Wednesday. A sentence reduction request is still possible, Daniel added.
Ravenel, 45, was sentenced to 10 months in a federal prison after pleading guilty to one count of conspiracy with intent to distribute cocaine. The Charleston resident shared the drug but did not sell it, authorities have said.
He also was ordered to pay a $221,323.69 fine and $28,676.31 in restitution to the state of South Carolina to cover the cost of the Legislature's special election to pick a successor.
His co-defendant and supplier, Michael L. Miller, 26, of Mount Pleasant, received a similar 10-month term for pleading to two drug charges. Miller's public defender, Langdon Long, filed his letter of request.
During last week's sentencing, government prosecutors, Ravenel's lawyers and other authorities repeatedly praised Ravenel for his cooperation in the probe of Charleston's nightlife cocaine scene, which includes parts of the Upper King Street bar district and other areas south of Broad Street.
One official said the Charleston investigation was in place for at least three years.
Ravenel, a Republican elected in 2006, was indicted by a federal grand jury last June.
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Posted by KidYendor on March 20, 2008 at 1:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hundreds of years from now when this case is long forgotten and we are all departed to Heaven, people will still be using substances they enjoy to socialize and stay alert no matter what the laws are or what tyranny is in place to try to regulate behavior. Hopefully by then tolerance will reign.
Posted by chucktonian on March 20, 2008 at 2:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yup. legalize it all. the drug war is doomed. ironically, government hasn't figured out the money that could be made. look at alcohol. it destroys more lives than all the illegal drugs combined and the politicians get rich off it. nicotine is no different.
Posted by AMAZING on March 20, 2008 at 4:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ravenel is running to Prison?
What is he running from?
Who is he running from?
AMAZING ...he must have been deeper in the drug world than anyone could imagine.
Posted by carolinabeachgirl on March 20, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that he prefers to go to jail now because he knows that there are some very rich folks that are worried that SLED is after them next. Easier to be in jail so you don't have to face them.
Posted by lillady on March 20, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok MAYBE just MAYBE the guy really wants to get this done with so he can pick up the pieces sooner. I know if it were me, I would. Why delay what is going to happen one way or the other?
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 20, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would assume the same...that someone further up the ladder knows that he is now cooperating with the Feds, and has probably let him know that he was making the wrong decision. He's already had plenty of Downward Departure...I'm disgusted that Mr. Ravenel has to pay almost a quarter of mill in fines, yet Mr. Miller gets the same incarceration sentence, with literally nothing out of pocket. He's been peddling dope for years, I'm sure...there should have been NO downward departure on the table for Mr. Miller, but had that been the case, the NAACP would have been here in seconds flat...you watch...in 10 months, they're both released...within a year, literally all of this will have been forgotten, Mr. Ravenel will probably be writing a book about life "on the wrong side of the tracks", and Mr. Miller will still be a pusher, somewhere near a Middle School, in downtown Charleston. I can't believe that the Feds would knuckle under to public scrutiny, but quite frankly, nothing the Feds have done have surprised me lately. I really doubt they needed the testimony from BOTH individuals to track down the others. If there was even such a deal to begin with. After all, now that they want to remand themselves early, the Feds say that there is STILL a chance for sentence reduction??? Why don't they just let Mr. Ravenel cough up the money, serve no time, and give Mr. Miller a ride to the local streetcorner where he will commence peddling dope to the low-lives that kept his life so quiet until he finally started peddling to the "big dogs". And we can quit reading about what happens to wealthy people when they are caught doing what could get the rest of us 15-to-life.
Posted by watchdog on March 20, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rename the Bridge, The name Ravenel is not a honorable name.Throw the bums out. What has the Ravenel family done for this community? Nothing since they landed on this rock.
Posted by Corder2007 on March 20, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
unlock the cell doors and let the games begin! He needs to go to Leiber Prison and not the fluff job in Columbia. My husband says Leiber is the hardest and has the toughest criminals in the state! I concur on the renaming of the bridge. the ravenel names does not deserve the honor of having that magnificant structure named after them! no one runs to prison, he is running from the main man who fills the suppliers pockets to deal! hey ole tommy boy dont drop the soap!!! hahahahahahaha
Posted by Ron_Godzilla on March 20, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No mention of the third suspect in this case lately, Pasquale Pellicoro. It looks to me as if he got a free pass by skipping out of the country.
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It sounds like these guys don't expect anymore reduction in their sentences, or why would'nt they have taken the five months to see what transpires! This is telling us something!
Posted by eaw429 on March 20, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am so sick of reading posts about renaming the bridge!!!!
Arthur Ravenel helped to establish the S.C. Infrastructure Bank and worked with local, state, and federal officials to create partnerships that helped to fund constructing the bridge. Perhaps he would still be driving over the old bridges that ranked 4 out of 100 on safety had he not worked so hard to get funding for a safe bridge for drivers to use. Many politicians and public officials do things (legal and illegal) in their private lives that many of us find distasteful and appalling--Thomas Ravenel just got caught doing it! Don't let his actions invalidate the many years of public service his father has served.
Posted by DenmarkVesey1822 on March 20, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Aren't the white lines on the bridge named after Thomas?
Posted by beenya_toolong on March 20, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said eaw429.
Posted by mosinfan on March 20, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Archdude...agreement again...this is getting scary.
Posted by whatelseisthere on March 20, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree, it will always be the Cooper River Bridge. As for TR, he is nothing new. Downtown Charleston is chock-full of "professionals" who spend a lot of time and money doing drugs. This story gets played out with every generation, just new names and faces. I guess I never understood why people had such high (no pun intended) expectations, he was never anything special.
Posted by AHLeland on March 20, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I find it sad that Arthur is being judged by the behavior of his son. I hope that all the people passing judgement do not have any bad eggs in their family. I certainly do and would hate to be judged because of their behavior. If anything, I sympathize with Mr. Ravenel. Imagine the embarrassment of having to watch your son crash and burn while the public looks on. While Thomas deserves no sympathy, please let's leave his family out of it.
Posted by AHLeland on March 20, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Before I get attacked, "judged" was the wrong word. It would have been better put as having his legacy of good work - and he does have one - being tarnished.
Posted by whatelseisthere on March 20, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
KidYendor....is that you TripTrippin?
Posted by toastchee on March 20, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks Denmark...
Posted by 512c on March 20, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sure you all know that the feds supplied the dealers with the Coke, which should only be used and sold by licensed doctors... But, actually should not be used, as it is refined to the point where Coca is not healthy any more, just like Sugar!
Legalize drugs, and force the DEA out of biz. Yes Business!
Private prisons, for profit too!
Posted by ticket3477 on March 20, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
but crack is cheap!...a ravenel cant buy crack...just like whitney houston couldnt buy crack...too cheap for the rich folk.
haha...
"Crack is Whack!" -Whitney Houston
Posted by CHRISJIII on March 20, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DenmarkVessey:Too funny!!!!!! I too vote to remove that moron's name off of the new bridge!
Posted by jrobinson on March 20, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SomeTruthPlease,
No disrespect intended.
What you wrote sounds good, but it's a lot easier to quit selling dope than it is to quit using. Mr. Miller just happened to pick the perfect person to get indicted with. Mr. Ravenel has the money and power to get a lawyer that could get him the best deal possible, and Mr. Miller benefits from that, because there was no way for the government to justify giving different sentences in such a high profile case. If Mr. Miller was facing the same charges, and his co-defendant's name was " Pookie from Accabee", he would be facing 10 years instead of 10 months. Just like you said Miller was rolling with the Big Dogs, so he got what the Big Dogs get. 10 months of vacation, paid for by the great citizens of South Carolina. Sad but true.
Posted by JDHawg on March 20, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I just could not pass without saying
"but crack is cheap!...a ravenel cant buy crack"
well Ravenel won't be buying butt crack, his is the one thats going to get his crack taking. they don't call the slammer for nothing.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, billman, i'll still be around for yall to kick-around, cuz i'm sure i can take my laptop to the pen with me, lol.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oh, billman, we're just goin in now, so we can be home by time the snow starts falling, lol. Reduction is still possible, I'd just like to wait in jail, and not at home on house arrest. Been awhile since i played pool, and poker, now that i'm going to the pen, i can! YAAAAAYYY!
Posted by Corder2007 on March 20, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
um Mayor I am proud to say I would be left on this post. Dont do drugs PERIOD!!! so how bout rephrase that statement/accusation. thanks
funny JDHawg funny that is similar to what I posted "dont pick up the soap ole tommy boy!"
I always thought it was called the slammer b/c back in the day the bars made that loud slam when they were shut. But now since the doors are all electronically locked no more slammin goin on of sorts!
Posted by Hobcaw on March 20, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Couple of thoughts:
1) Thomas Ravenel IS a convicted crook. Arthur isn't. BIG difference!
2) Leaglize marijuanna (same as pr-1969) as it a non violent drug, but Crack, Meth should remain illegal for obvious reasons.
3) Rename the "Arthur Ravenel Bridge Run" to the "Cooper River Bridge Run" ...
4) We should focus our time on somethig useful, like FairTax .Org!
Posted by Corder2007 on March 20, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hey Hobcaw, I grew up in Hobcaw Point. Is that where the ur screen name came from?
Posted by Ron_Godzilla on March 20, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coming to a trendy upper King Street cocaine den/bar near you
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzz/Flavored_Co...
Posted by abitskeptical on March 20, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
These guys will be going to a federal prison...probably minimum to low security, not a state prison such as Leiber. They might be sent to a prison in SC but it will be a federal prison because this is a federal case.
Why do some of you take perverted delight in imagining the abuse someone might encounter in prison? Hate to disappoint those of you with such lust for vengeance and abuse, that type of thing does not happen in most federal prisons, especially the minimum and low security ones.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I GOT SKILLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZ
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Do they for real let you take laptops to prison now, that is a new one!
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DJ seems like a pretty intelligent guy, everyone deserves to mess up once or twice, dj what kind of job you interested in when you are out?
Posted by Corder2007 on March 20, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DJ what jail are you in? I know for a fact you can not have lap tops in CCDC nor BCDC. You in the pen now? Billman kudos to you! You too are a good guy!!!!
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 20, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SumDJ...why are they still talking about Downward Departure...will you sleep well knowing that many Federal inmates read the news, especially regarding what concerns wealthy, politically-connected drug addicts, and you are obviously a dealer with a big, big mouth. I don't think I'd have to tell you what happens to snitches in the "big house". Good luck on the vacation at the gray-bar hotel.
Posted by KidYendor on March 20, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Would ColdBeer agree that people who drank shine or went to speak easys during Prohibition were criminals just for drinking? What is the difference now? Only the law. The people are the same, they like to drink. The laws make people criminals not the people's actions. We have the choice of associating or not associating with drinkers, pot heads or coke users. We should have the choice of obtaining our socializing/relaxation substances whether it be booze or pot or coke and pay the taxes involved in their obtainment or simply avoid it and, if we choose, the people who indulge. Adults who indulge must be responsible for use repercussions. Just because someone does a so-called illegal drug does not mean they are a loser just as Prohibition violators were not all losers. We should not finance an army of police to impossibly rid the Earth of substances in the name of a War on Drugs when it is nothing more than continuous law enforcement job protection.
Posted by Corder2007 on March 20, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Cute sometruth i like the phrase the grey-bar hotel
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I didn't talk to the agents 100 times. You read anything about me talking almost daily with the agents,or was that the other guy. The guy who set me up got everybody else I know in trouble. Who inside of a fed pen is gonna give a feck about who I ratted on, if it aint them. I'm gonna enjoy my time there, Billman, i was kidding about the laptop thing, but there may be a way, lol. Well, being part of the miller cadillac family i'm sure i'll find something to do at the dealership. I'll be mighty surprised to find somebody i ratted on is already in the federal pen waiting on me, HAHA thats preposterous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Billman, even though this is my first time, if I could take it all back now, I wouldn't, I would've done more stuff than people said that I shouldn't...lol
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DJ,
Where'd they put you when you did the 3 months, had bad was it, do they let you do anything in there?
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey billman, cold beer totally missssed out on the whole WHO IS SUMDJIAM discussion...lol, anyways, i spent 2 months in CCDC, it sucks ass. We told the judge i was there for three months cuz we didnt think it'd make a diff if we added a month, lol. I was in PC, it sucked. 23hr lockdown. I thought that was what county jail was like, but I found out late while i was there that i got assigned to PC upon entering. So i missed out on the joys of gen. population.
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Damn,
That must suck, it could be ALOT worse than 7 months though bet Ravenel will be in for a shock, coldbeer is new that's all!
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'll make another prediction and say I serve 4-5 of that seven. I dont think the reduction will be but 2-3 months off. We get 1 day off for every 2 days served without incident..........welcome to the party coldbeer! your late, lol. thanks for clearing that up billman. Look for my remix of "another one bites the dust" titled "another one likes the dust" in 2011
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well, that says it. I reckon theres a post from me predicting that miller would be wearing all black to court, the day before court. I didn't get that from Miss Cleo....
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coldbeer,
I don't think there is any doubt, there is a 1% chance you could predict what you'd be wearing to court and the next day be correct plus everything else only he could know! Read his post about the fighting incident!
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 20, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know ... who are we to judge? Today, I saw a homeless man pick up a used cup in a McDonalds parking lot to drink whatever someone left in it. You know .... that could be any of us one day.
None of us have a right to judge. If you are soooooo perfect, please leave b/c I, personally, am sick of people who think that they are above everyone else and feels that they can judge everyone else.
AT LEAST he is facing up to it!! Good Lord! If he wasn't facing up to this, what on earth would y'all be complaining about then???? GET A LIFE!
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Man,
Get outta here, there is no use explaining to you anyway! Believe it or not! Does'nt matter to me!
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yeah, billman, its pointless. from now on, its just an inside joke, between us, lol
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 20, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Who inside of a fed pen is gonna give a feck about who I ratted on, if it aint them." That's an excellent question that your new roommates will probably be glad to answer for you, SumDJ...Snitching violates the motto, "honor among thieves." "Criminals hurt the public, but normally they protect one another in their own self-interest. The snitch is the lowest of the low, one who violates the code of the underworld. The snitch is not even a smart criminal, since he got caught."
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well heck, I thought it was "there is no honor amongst theives" but I do invite anyone in a minumim security pen to bother me and add on to their sentence, cuz i'm sure they aint got much else going on but singling me out in honor of strangers who did nothing for them.....MICHAELSADVOCATE, I hate onions, blegh.
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DJ did'nt snitch on Ravenel they already had the goods on him, who are yall talking about the fugitive? No one cares about him he's a foreigner, am I missing something?
Posted by Hutch on March 20, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope the Son will return like the prodigal sonand become a productive member of society. After he serves his jail time.
Posted by mnbvcxz on March 20, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ravenel gets 10 months, then parish should get 10 decades...
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 20, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I stand corrected, SumDJ,or rather, the author of the 2nd half of my post stands corrected...I copied and pasted..I wanted to see if there were instances of snitches in prisons and how they are perceived by the general population. You're the son of the owner of Miller Cadillac? My cousin, Maxine, worked for him before becoming the BIC at Headquarter's Island. You are young, rather naive, and very, very boastful...I pray you check that attitude at the gate when you get where you're going...I know that it's going to be more "camp" than prison, but, my friend, you're riding on the coat-tails of someone very prominent, and that's why your dope-peddling self is not going away a lot longer...you seem to love to toot that horn...you're now connected, your family owns Miller Cadillac...who were you before you started putting the blow up Tommy's nose? Who will you be when you get back? Think you will be sitting at the Ravenel dinner table swapping stories? Think again...back to your corner with your stash...hopefully, Miller Cadillac will have a job for you, and you can stop being a dope dealer, because there's nothing in that to be proud of.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 20, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
not the son of the owner, but close enough...I really have no desire for the Miller side, though if things get any worse, I'll be first to show up for the family reunion, heck, i'll even design and pay for the reunion T shirts, and maybe bring some paper plates, the nice kind, by Chinet. I dont see how i'm a dealer when i all i did was get the drugs. If I have a car, and I sell it, does that make me a car dealer? If I were the dealer, what were the other guys who sold to him and are not in trouble. I hang out with the guy and do drugs, and BAM! they get me, the dude with a clean record. BOOOO! I dont see us trading stories at the Ravenel dinner table, but maybe drinks at Cypress. Hey Tommy, you pickin up the tab, right??
Posted by BillMan on March 21, 2008 at 12:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Damn, I guess we know what kind of ride DJ sports now, good thing they kept Miller Cadillac out of the story!
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 12:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
nah, bill, I HATE CADILLACS, thats one reason i'm not there now, lol. Caddys are for old people, though i gotta say the CTS looks hella good.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 12:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hey billman, u see the story about the fbi bustin the mexicans on rivers last night. See, its so easy to get started, even a mexi-CAN do it.
Posted by BillMan on March 21, 2008 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
True that!
Posted by Sandy37 on March 21, 2008 at 12:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Have been very surprised by all that has happened in Charleston. Used to live in Charleston and knew most of the Ravenel's involved. I don't think Arthur Ravenel, Jr. needs any enemies, he has his family....Was on a plane with a Mt. Pleasant resident during the building of the bridge and she had nothing but good things to say about Ravenel and his efforts to get the bridge. After reading all of your posts here I am glad I raised my sons elsewhere, which I thought was difficult with the drug scene, but I guess they are everywhere, very sad for such a beautiful city.
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I SAY AGAIN!!!!!!!!! WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE?
It is disgusting how everyone is so perfect and how they have never made any mistakes in their lives. Good for all of you who are so perfect that you find it okay in being so judgemental!! Im not jealous whatsoever in your perfection.
People who judge are hiding their own imperfections.
AT LEAST HE IS OWNING UP TO WHAT HE HAS DONE!!! I know of many in the public eye who are obviously guilty and they get to pay their way out of having to serve time.
Posted by forget on March 21, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ChasCarolinaGirl - he's only owning up to what he's done because he got caught. If he hadn't gotten busted, he'd be up in Columbia doing the same stuff.
None of us has ever said we were perfect, but as Coldbeer said, we are not criminals.
To be truthful, we are judged everyday. He was "judged" by a court. Then the people that voted him into office and trusted him have the right to "judge" him. He violated that trust. People are angry, and rightfully so. He's going to jail early so that he doesn't have to help in the investigation. And Miller, also. Would not be surprised if there wasn't a little "bonus" for Miller when he gets out
as a reward for going early too.
Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ray Nash For State Treasurer in 2008? LOL
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer: I have never said that we shouldn't condemn. Some of you do make sense with the arguments that you make, but some are unable to. "Your circle of friends" ? Not sure where that statement comes from at all. You do not know me, and that isn't the point. Then again, here you go judging me and not knowing me. I love debates, so bring it on!
As for your post "Forget", I agree with you. Well said. Just some politicians are guilty of crimes and mysteriously get out of it somehow, someway.
I personally know of this guy and he is pretty nice and down to earth unlike the rest of his conceited family who think they hang the moon.
Oh, and Coldbeer, of course a convicted drug dealer should be condemned. Lay off the beer, you're putting words in my mouth and you don't even know me.
Posted by forget on March 21, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ChasCarolinaGirl - my husband has also known this guy since they were in HS. When he was running, he said he didn't know what they were thinking that he was a buffoon. He recalled parties that Ravenel was at during late teen years and early 20's where he was the supplier of the "party favors" and the user of said "favors". I, at that time, told him that most everyone at those parties had matured and gone on and become productive citizens, and after all, wasn't he himself at the same parties. Imagine my surprise that morning when I had seen the headline about Ravenel getting busted. Had to eat crow on that one....
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Miller's reward for going early will be...getting out early. hehe.
"Let the Lord Judge the criminals..."
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on March 21, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Forget - I do not know him as well as your husband, but I know that he seems more down to earth than the rest of his family. Im just speaking from personal experience. Sometimes you just have to wonder why people get into such situations when you think that they have everything. You know?
That doesn't mean that he should get by with it in any means. Dont want ANYONE to read that wrong.
Posted by willbillbedamned on March 21, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer is a joke. He says he never uses drugs, Well alcohol IS a drug. I've read too many stories about drunks going home and beating up the wife and kids. All I read about pot smokers is they went home and ate a whole chocolate cake.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AAAAAMENNNNN
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FORGET...how is it that you had to eat your words once u read he got busted? Did u mean that he at no time was a productive citizen because if he was he would've never gotten busted???
Posted by forget on March 21, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No, I defended him saying that I thought it was all just teenage parties, etc. You all know, teen stuff that most of us all grow out of and mature past. To me, it looks like he's been more counterproductive than the other.
Some people don't realize that sometimes the bad you do will overshadow any good that you've done.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
haha, thats why i hang out with the wrong crowd now, cuz the good crowd will always remember that bad thing, and literally declassify you.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thats Just "How I roll"...
Posted by Chancellor on March 21, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just wondering if you will change your screen name to "sumBJigive" after your stint in prison??
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If i give it.
Posted by forget on March 21, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The "good crowd" doesn't just remember the bad things, they disassociate themselves from it. That is how the "good crowd" stays out of prison and the "wrong crowd" becomes a guest of the state. Didn't your mother ever tell you that you are judged by the company you keep? I know it's an old cliched saying, but it holds true. It's a saying I tell my child.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well, so far, the company I keep, has served me well. Chancellor, how many BJ's did you have to give in a minimum security FED pen??
Posted by ChrisPia on March 21, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Judge Anderson Has stated in The associated press that information given by Mr Ravenel was not enough. So Why Only 10 Months?
Posted by forget on March 21, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, I've never been under investigation, arrested or otherwise. Can you say the same thing? If you can say yes, than the company you keep has NOT served you well and you would be better off finding associates in other places.
Posted by sumDJiam on March 21, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chrispia, when did the judge make that statement? I still stand by my statement earlier. The company I keep has served me well.
Posted by AMAZING on March 21, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JUDGE Joe Anderson is PUZZLED by PROSECUTORS unwillingness to cite anyone Ravenel disclosed to authorities
Prosecutors argued to further reduce Ravenel’s sentence
"Judge Joe Anderson also said in a sentencing memorandum that he is puzzled by prosecutors unwillingness to cite anyone Ravenel disclosed to authorities who are investigating a Charleston cocaine conspiracy".
"Though prosecutors regularly agree to sentence reductions for defendants who cooperate, court observers say it is unusual for them to join the defense in arguing for greater reductions than judges are inclined to impose".
In the judge’s seven-page Ravenel memo explaining his sentencing decisions, he wrote:
“Ravenel’s attorneys, and, surprisingly, the government attorneys contrary to their usual position, vigorously argued in favor of a greater downward departure based on information Ravenel has provided concerning ongoing drug investigations involving other individuals.”
He wrote “... it is perplexing to the court that the government could not present a single name ... to which Ravenel’s substantial assistance led.”
http://www.thestate.com/breaking/story/3...