New trooper videos draw ire
Lawmaker, NAACP chief want abuse inquiry by SLED
The Highway Patrol car jumps the curb, speeds between two apartment buildings, and spins past a playground as parents pull their kids out of the way.
In this scene a fleeing suspect is shown being rammed by a state trooper.
And then, the video catches sight of the fleeing suspect — just before the cruiser hits him.
In another video, a state trooper's patrol car rams a man running across a narrow side street, his feet flying into the air just before he disappears into a ditch.
Later, the video records the trooper telling other police officers that "I nailed the f--- out of him. ... I was trying to hit him."
These S.C. Highway Patrol videos, obtained by The Post and Courier through the Freedom of Information Act, are more evidence of trouble among the ranks of the state's most elite police force — and have state officials planning a close look at the department.
The officers involved, some of whom had prior disciplinary records, were given two- to three-day suspensions and remain on duty.
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Lance Cpl. S.C. Garren hit a suspect with his car, the man flipped over and then landed in high weeds. Watch »
Coupled with earlier videos showing abuse of black suspects by troopers, the new videos have some state lawmakers calling for a State Law Enforcement Division investigation of the Highway Patrol. Videos made public last month show a Greenwood County trooper yelling at one suspect, "You better run, (n-word), I'm fixin' to kill you."
That led to the resignation of Public Safety Director James K. Schweitzer and Highway Patrol Col. Russell Roark.
The governor's office said late Tuesday that descriptions of the videos, which Gov. Mark Sanford had not yet seen, were incredibly disturbing.
"When we name a new director, one of the things we want he or she to do is to take a look at the disciplinary procedures and the promotions procedures," said Sanford press secretary Joel Sawyer. "Those are the two things we have heard the most complaints about."
Sen. Robert Ford said Tuesday that a legislative subcommittee will have to study the mounting evidence of brutality by some troopers in the Highway Patrol before confirming a new director for the Department of Public Safety.
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Lance Cpl. Alexander Richardson took his cruiser through an apartment complex, hitting a suspect with his car. Watch »
"Some of this is going to have to be dealt with before we appoint another director," Ford, D-Charleston, said. "SLED and the attorney general's office should do everything they can before we start looking for another director."
These videos, and the frequency at which they are surfacing, show a pervasive problem in the Highway Patrol that has been covered up, said Dot Scott, president of the Charleston branch of the state National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. She agrees with Ford that it's time for SLED to investigate.
"It's painful but it doesn't surprise me," Scott said.
The videos, released by the Department of Public Safety on Tuesday, show two incidents of troopers hitting suspects with their cruisers.
The first is a June 2007 incident in Greenwood County. According to disciplinary records, Lance Cpl. S.C. Garren told internal affairs investigators that he was chasing a red sports car caught speeding when it turned off the highway and into a neighborhood.
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Lance Cpl. Alexander Richardson responded to help Cpl. R.D. Grubbs with a traffic stop and ended up taking the suspect to jail. Richardson is heard off-camera but not seen. Watch »
Garren's dashboard video shows a man jumping out of the red car and running down the road. Before he can cross the narrow street, however, the speeding cruiser hits him head-on, flipping the man into high weeds. Disciplinary measures note Garren didn't hit his brakes. Still, the man got away.
Later, Garren was recorded bragging that he tried to hit the guy. According to Sid Gaulden, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, Garren was given a three-day suspension. Garren is appealing that ruling.
In an April 2007 video, Lance Cpl. Alexander Richardson chases a speeding motorist through a Columbia apartment complex. When the man parks his car and takes off running across the complex grounds, Richardson follows in his cruiser, bumping over curbs and behind buildings.
In the disciplinary records, Highway Patrol officials note that Richardson should have followed the suspect on foot, as he endangered two 5-year-old children on a playground as the trooper's car sped past.
"In a split second, I decided to pursue the violator in and around the apartment buildings," Richardson told investigators. "Looking back on it after the fact, I wish I would not have pursued the violator through the apartment buildings. ... I'm very relieved no one got hurt."
In this scene from a video obtained Tuesday by The Post and Courier, a state trooper's patrol car prepares to ram a man running across a narrow side street. After impact, the video shows the man's feet flying into the air just before he disappears into a ditch.
At one point, Richardson hits the suspect with his car, the man hanging onto the cruiser's push bar before finally running away again.
Richardson was given a two-day suspension and ordered to attend stress-management classes. It was the third disciplinary action against him. In 1990, Richardson struck a man, arrested for DUI by another trooper, at the Florence County Detention Center.
And in a third earlier video from 2005, Richardson was involved in another controversial Columbia incident. He showed up at another trooper's traffic stop and offered to transport one of the suspects, Jonathan Davis, accused of disorderly conduct, to a local jail. This video shows Davis' arrest but not his encounter with Richardson, which was described in internal affairs documents.
On the ride, the two men fought — Richardson was reprimanded for not having his dashboard camera turned on.
Davis claims Richardson pulled onto the side of the road and made him suck the trooper's bully club as he said, "Who's the b---- now?"
In Richardson's version of the events, Davis hit him in an attempt to make him crash the car, and taunted him, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and questioning his sexual orientation.
Lawmakers say the growing evidence of problems in the Highway Patrol will dominate confirmation hearings for whoever Sanford chooses to replace Schweitzer.
"We're going to ask the candidate if he's going to tolerate this kind of behavior," Ford said.
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Posted by BPFROM843 on March 19, 2008 at 3:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
what you saw here was attempted manslaughter on two occasions cops are not even supposed to chase suspects when it puts other lives in jepordy and that one officer that zoomed through that appartment complex that had innocent people running for their lives should be fired what if there were children playin in their own back yard and couldnt get out of the way
Posted by lillycollette on March 19, 2008 at 5:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I understand the need for police video recordings.
I’m just waiting for the legislature to understand the need for this type of recording of family court hearings.
Posted by moonpie on March 19, 2008 at 5:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SO WHAT, RUN FROM THE POLICE GET RAN OVER BY THEIR CAR!
Posted by 5thGenerationLocal on March 19, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would run the SOB's over too. And have no remorse. You run, you pay the price. I would however keep my mouth shut about nailing the f*** out of him. Those of you who side with the criminals are ridiculous. When did the criminal start having more rights than us law-abiding citizens anyway?
Posted by highclass on March 19, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thomas1776- go pay your child support.
I agree with 5thGenerationLocal. These cops need to learn how to shut their mouths.
Posted by DCartisan on March 19, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When I go into my backyard I do not expect to see a 2 ton car chasing a fleeing suspect, no matter how "safe" they were trying to drive. What if my 4 year-old was playing catch or something?
Posted by theronce on March 19, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
God knows, I love the cops. We need them, and I respect them and what they do. They do, however, have bad apples just as any other large, dispersed organization. That has been compounded by poor leadership with little character. An investigation by the Feds is in order to right the ship before a new captain comes on board. The stupid acts of criminals do not excuse stupid responses from these professionals. They need to know that it is almost as important to appear professional as it is to act and speak professionally.
Posted by CMLMADDOG on March 19, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's a thought...don't run from the cops, you idiots!!
Geniuses!
Posted by Perspective on March 19, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The cops should let 'em all go. Only write people tickets that are otherwise law abiding and cooperate. That is it - If you cooperate you get a ticket. If you run they let you go. That will solve society's problems.
You anti-law enforcement and anti-government morons should get a life or get used to chaos.
Posted by icbmman on March 19, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DCartisan wrote: "When I go into my backyard I do not expect to see a 2 ton car chasing a fleeing suspect, no matter how "safe" they were trying to drive. What if my 4 year-old was playing catch or something?"
Do you realize the stupidity of this statement? Let's THINK for 1 second here...the reason why a cop would be chasing a fleeing suspect is because there is a FLEEING CRIMINAL SUSPECT!!! You have a criminal in your immediate area...HE is the reason why a cop has to speed in the first place. Good night, you lay the responsibility at the person who is trying to make your neighborhood safe by apprehending the individual he/she is chasing.
The armchair-quarterbacking here is just retarded. Granted, there are a few cops who need to be kept on a leash, but the majority of them are just doing their job in the most expedient way possible.
Posted by grannyofsix on March 19, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Highclass you took the words right out of my mouth I was going to say that, Thomas1776 speaks like a true dead beat dad.
Posted by scout on March 19, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am disheartened by the majority of unenlightened comments made on this site. I no longer wonder how the Nazi movement moved like a virus through Germany. South Caroina is primed for bigotry. Abuse of human rights and dignity seems to be OKAY with these posters as long as the person is _________.
(Fill in the blank with whoever is not like you)
I am reminded of the old saying: "It's all fun and games until somebody gets their eye poked out."
These posters would not be laughing if it happened to them.
Elizabeth
Posted by Weeeee on March 19, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm appalled by the comments defending this type of behavior by law enforcement. I can concede the fact these officers were chasing suspects. I can even concede the fact that the one officer drove "safely" through the apartment complex. I cannot, however, condone blatant assault with a deadly weapon (the car...for you morons who think these videos are o-k). Being the fourth dangerous state in the country does not give law enforcement the right to endanger the lives of criminals (not to mention the innocent CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE PLAYGROUND!). Wake up or just make sure not to forget your dunce cap.
I'm a law-abiding citizen who gives no reason for law enforcement to chase down like in these videos. It doesn't take much restraint to refrain from being a criminal. Oh! The last time I checked, assault with a deadly weapon was...criminal.
Posted by RMPW2000 on March 19, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It reminds me of this...
Some will agree with the statement, some will not.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a dam what you think you're entitled to.
Posted by icbmman on March 19, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RMPW2000, thank you for the quote from an excellent movie. If more people actually knew the s#!t cops have to deal with in fighting crime DAILY, they would at least understand the tension and reason behind using such brutal force.
Common sense isn't on a holiday in this country anymore, common sense is dead. All of the attention, hatred, and vitriol is focused on the cops with many of these posts, but few have even stopped to ponder why the cops were in their cars chasing suspects to begin with: those scumbags were committed crimes and they were trying to get away with it. The cops intervened...part of their training is to end chases as quickly as possible, while minimizing foot chases, hence using their vehicles. Besides, if the bastards weren't resisting arrest (another crime they're committing) the cops wouldn't be chasing them! Some of you people on here need a brain.
Posted by Lenny on March 19, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If a criminal is bailing out of a vehicle in an apartment complex most likely it is b/c he knows he can hide there so those "innocent residents" proabaly protect more criminals than you think, it happens every day spend some time at the johnson st projects or bridgeview apts if you dont believe it. The criminal element love the fact that we as a society charge law enforcement with stopping crime and then expect them to opperate with kid gloves. I bet you that those guys wont run from the state troopers again...
thomas1776 this article has nothing to do with family court go gripe somewhere else, raregar67 reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh?
Posted by Weeeee on March 19, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You should've used quotations on that stolen movie line...which doesn't really even apply here.
Oh but even "criminals" must be "entitled" to the right not to be MURDERED by law enforcement. This is the equivalent to those people who died after being tazed. I guess it's ok since it was law enforcement who administered the tazings. So it MUST be ok because it's law enforcement running the criminals over. :-|
Posted by blah_blah_blah on March 19, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe we should get our other officers on a Running Regimen and Diet Program and get the ones driving through Apartment complexes off the streets.
I feel that anyone of those criminals could have outrun the cops on foot.
Posted by blah_blah_blah on March 19, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
5th Generation Local said,
"Those of you who side with the criminals are ridiculous. When did the criminal start having more rights than us law-abiding citizens anyway?"
I think those that disagree with the officers actions are siding with the innocent civilians and children that are in the path of the overreactive cops.
Posted by eyfigueroa on March 19, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
icbmman & others who share similar sentiments: my only concern would be for the safety of innocent bystanders not the fleeing criminal. The criminal was running and the officer was using a vehicle.
IF a child or other innocent was struck by the vehicle would that be justifiable because the criminal was caught?
IF the officer struck someone wouldn't he/she would have to stop to attend to the victim thereby not be able to catch the criminal anyway?
What about the potential legal/financial liability faced by the municipality or state if an innocent was injured or killed?
These are questions that MUST be and SHOULD be asked by citizens.
As far as the officer was concerned that gleefully mentions ‘nailing’ the suspect, well, his very own comments says VOLUMES about his character. No one is asking that the officer have any sympathy for a fleeing suspect. However, I not only expect but DEMAND a high level of personal conduct, “professionalism”, from law enforcement personnel. And that includes being able to make prudent on-the-spot decisions regarding high speed pursuit of suspects and ALL verbal communications between themselves and/or criminals and/or fellow law enforcement personnel, ESPECIALLY when being recorded.
In my not-so-humble opinion, law enforcement personnel are some of the least appreciated civil servants. As citizens we should be for more grateful for the hard work, dedication and sacrifices of the men and women who put their very lives on the line to serve and protect our communities. By that same token we should also be free to "questions the manner in which 'law enforcement' provide" said protections.
Posted by yeayea on March 19, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
don't run from the cops, and they won't run you down. one quick thing anyone seen the recent barage of cops on Folly Beach?
Posted by greyrider on March 19, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We need rational thinking here, not extremism on either side. If cops step over the line, they need to be disciplined. But you have to remember in the big picture that the cops are the good guys. The majority are heroes, protecting us. Also, just because a cop goes over the line with a criminal, that criminal is STILL a criminal. They BOTH need punished. I think cops who commit crimes are a disgrace. I feel sorry for an innocent person who gets roughed up by the cops, but I don't feel sorry for a drug dealer who gets roughed up by the cops. Throw them both in jail. However, too many people over react when it comes to police "brutality". Punching a suspect who is resisting arrest is not "brutality", purposely running someone over is.
Posted by icbmman on March 19, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
eyfigueroa wrote: "IF a child or other innocent was struck by the vehicle would that be justifiable because the criminal was caught?
IF the officer struck someone wouldn't he/she would have to stop to attend to the victim thereby not be able to catch the criminal anyway?"
Those are good questions, but here is the first question that should be asked: why was the officer there in the first place? Criminals don't care about anybody but themselves, and as a result, many innocent lives are damaged or destroyed because of their actions. A suspect that is being chased doesn't care about the children who may get injured or killed as he runs through their neighborhood...he wants to avoid responsibility for his actions.
To answer your first question, no, it wouldn't be justifiable, but I think a good prosecutor could add some sort of manslaughter charge to the perpetrator...placing the responsibility on the criminal who instigated the chase to begin with. Your second question: yes, you are correct. Again, if the identity of the suspect is known, the officer would have to charge the suspect with the responsibility of the victim's situation.
I'm not saying that officers should be void of responsibility, but when you constantly armchair quarterback how they enforce the law, you castrate their ability to do their job effectively. My point is that the fleeing suspects should be held accountable for their lawless behavior, because they force cops into situations like the ones indicated in this article.
Posted by nochasgirl on March 19, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why would anyone run from a police officer??????
Posted by LutherVanderhorst on March 19, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One, the criminals are responsible for this cause they ran.
Two, unless you put your life on the line daily in high stress jobs, don't criticize.
Posted by Corder2007 on March 19, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
damn since when did NASCAR drivers get on our police force?
Posted by eyfigueroa on March 19, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ichbman: "To answer your first question, no, it wouldn't be justifiable, but I think a good prosecutor could add some sort of manslaughter charge to the perpetrator...placing the responsibility on the criminal who instigated the chase to begin with."
Handing down additional charges to the fleeing criminal in NO WAY absolves a LEP of the responsibility of his/her actions. Punishing the criminal who instigated the pursuit, though appropriate, will offer very little if any solace to the loved ones injured or killed by an officer.
There has to be a fine line, law enforcement must be able to make on-the-spot decisions without the specter of litigation hanging over their heads. However, LE should also be cognizant of their responsibilities to the citizenry and make sure their decisions, actions or even verbal/written communications are a reflection of the highest standards set for our civil servants. In other words use COMMON SENSE; driving over sidewalks and walkways, between buildings w/o knowing if an elderly person or kindergartner would step out in front of them is smacks extremely questionable judgment.
Lenny: regardless of how you may feel about residents of govt. subsidized housing, a person standing on a sidewalk getting mowed over by a LE vehicle is in no way at fault. For you to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Granted there is an element in the ‘projects’ that may at best ignore the situation or at worst assists the criminal, but your assertion that aren’t any ‘innocents’ in the ‘hood’ is scurrilous.
Posted by prosperous_hb on March 19, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If the cops act out of control, then what can we expect the rest of the people to do. I'm not taking up for the guys who ran, but if they didn't inflict any harm upon the offices then they should not have chased them like that. However, if they had been firing a gun or something, then I could possibly see that. However, they are public figures and should act in a proper way, especially with a uniform on.
Posted by grannyofsix on March 19, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have tried several times to write something in here but changed my mind everytime. It useless with some of you people in here.
Get mugged, get robbed, have a family memeber killed. Who you going to call , the same cops you are bad mouthing before yOU ask for their help tell them how you feel about them.
guess what they will still be there to help ypu
Posted by grannyofsix on March 19, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thomas1776 report me please they will also look at what your comments are as well
Posted by CountryGirl on March 19, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I understand that police officers have a difficult job and I have a great amount of respect for the ones who truly understand and BELIEVE in the oath they took in order to have the right to carry that badge. It used to be a priviledge and an honor, but so many of our officers take it as a "free pass" to do whatever they please. I've seen it and I know a lot of you have too. I've almost been run off the road because an officer comes out of nowhere.
Just like anything else in life, good judgement is a key for these officers. If this guy was carrying a bomb I could see the reason for the carelessness, but otherwise use good sense to determine if what this guy did was worth harming innocent people or even yourself. It sounds like this officer just wanted the "rush" of catching this guy and that is not his job. Ride a rollercoaster before you go to work and get it out of your system.
Posted by wjhamilton3 on March 19, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I suppose some of this shocks most people, but I've seen a steady detioration of police behavior since 9-11. There is a lot of untruthfulness now and more coercion. Apparently the entire police community saw the attacks as permission to shift to some sort of war footing where the constitution and reason are just problems to be avoided. Since terrorism doesn't have much to do with petty theft and drug dealing, I don't see the connection, but the law enforcement community now feels enabled to do what it wants.
Everything is about power and force now. It's corrosive to both the police and the public. It changes the relationship between citizens and the law. People feel powerless and they're not thinking a lot about what a civilized society is. They just want somebody, somewhere to do something as long as it isn't to them or there kids.
We fight and beat this stuff in court all the time, where there are rules and trained Judges. Increasingly, however, there are no rules on the street or at the police stations. Only a small percentage of this ever gets reviewed by an objective, third party. Most of these people are afraid and powerless to protect themselves.
What starts at the bottom will work it's way up.
A generation is growing up believing this is normal in America. If police don't follow the law, nobody else will either. Then it's down to who gets away with what. They "why" of the law gets left in the trash.
If you've read the novel or seen the film, Clockwork Orange, you may remember that the toughs in the gangs ended up in the police force. That is what happens when force and self indulgence superseeds the law.
Posted by lexylady on March 19, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Did you notice that the runners that were hit also got up and ran again, so obviously they weren't hurt too bad, if at all. These cops are so frustrated because they can't do their jobs, crimes getting way out of control and These jerkoffs know they can run and get away. It has become a joke. I say equip the cruisers with scud launchers, and just git-er-done!! lolol..
Posted by charleston_grown on March 19, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
haha, the troopers are probably too fat and out of shape to actually get out their cars and chase the suspects. so instead they drive through playgrounds, endangering more lives than the suspect has, and also probably committing more crimes. Ignorant, futile, racist, lazy, negligent, and abusive all fitting words to describe SC troopers
Posted by nochasgirl on March 19, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now if either of these law-abiding citizens who were running from the officers would have killed someone in their path, or caused harm to someone, we would be saying that the officers were not aggressive enough in their pursuit??? It would be nice to know if they were eventually caught, and why they were being chased.
Posted by charleston_grown on March 19, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
doubtful that the people running from the officers would have killed someone in their path. however, it is likely that a trooper driving his car through apt complexes, and playground could have easily hit and injured/killed someone. the people fleeing were probably petty criminals, with some kind of outstanding warrant/on probation/carrying a small amount of illegal drugs, etc... sometimes, you have to pick your battles. putting the general public at risk to catch one of these small time crooks is excessive
Posted by 512c on March 19, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cOPS killed a dear friend of mine driving like asses... And nearly killed another dear friend after running up onto the curb... So, let me say, if I see a cop driving up onto the sidewalk, like this guy, I will chase him down and make sure he takes time to go to jail himself. I am so pissed after seeing this, I can't type.
Posted by lillady on March 19, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I watched the video of the officer chasing the suspect through the apartment complex. I don't think anyone really freaked out over him doing that but his little trip mighted have ended a whole lot sooner if he had gotten out and tackled the guy instead of taking the lazy way out. The trooper who bragged about hitting the other guy... he needs to be brought up on charges. That one made my jaw drop.
Posted by withrockb on March 19, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
God, I wish the Police Officers of this country and state would protest. I can only wait till their is a police shortage. Hopefully, then will you people truly understand how vital law enforcement is and how screwed up the criminal justice system is and the liberal views on law enforcement are lax. I can only hope the day comes when criminals are over running the streets and their are no police officers to protect you. I surely doubt all you big talkers and underachievers on this board would truly be willing to step up and become a police officer if that would to occur.
Posted by lexylady on March 19, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
withrockb, you said it all. AMEN!
Posted by 512c on March 19, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I won't become a cop, because I'm an anarchist.
Posted by CountryGirl on March 19, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with you hamilton. Our police force "overkills" everything in the name of Homeland Security. Recently new neighbors moved into my parents neighborhood. Undoubtedly a warrant was out for someone in the house, but nothing violent. It was an absolute mess. The street was blocked off, FIVE unmarked detective cars parked all over the street, and a forensic team. One person was arrested, but brought back only hours later. The family of this person was treated badly also. The wife asked a simple question and one officer got in her face and yelled for her to keep her mouth shut, right in front of her children. It upset my father so much we had to take him and leave until it was over. I don't understand that type of police work.
Posted by newto843 on March 19, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with charleston_grown here. I sure hope that guy running through the apartments was positively known to be armed and dangerous otherwise it is just reckless and excessive. Get out of your car and run a little fat boy.
Posted by icbmman on March 19, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
eyfigueroa: "Handing down additional charges to the fleeing criminal in NO WAY absolves a LEP of the responsibility of his/her actions. Punishing the criminal who instigated the pursuit, though appropriate, will offer very little if any solace to the loved ones injured or killed by an officer."
OK, let's see, we have to implement procedures and laws that will make a victim's loved ones feel better emotionally, regardless of the circumstances? This appears to be what you're advocating.
Posted by forget on March 19, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just in my opinion if 512C knows that many people that have been chased by cops, he needs to take a good look at the type of people he associates with. I, myself, have never been chased by the cops, nor have any of my friends. I have never been screamed at, nor manhandled by them. And I don't know anyone that has.
I, myself, would not make a good police officer because the first time a lowlife criminal hits me, spits on me, makes me chase him, etc. I would probably come undone on him, too. I guess I just know my limitations.
My guess that these criminals will run through these neighborhoods is because they know that they will probably be hidden by someone. If I was an officer, I wouldn't get out and try to apprehend him on foot either. With the mentality of some people now, his safety is an issue and he would have NO protection himself. He could subject himself to maybe a mob mentality or being shot, etc.
Posted by Weeeee on March 19, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah. It's so difficult being a cop. You're f'ing kidding me; right? Blah blah blah. Cops nowadays are the product of "little Joey being made fun of in high school who vows to get back at those people by being a cop".
In fact, the apartment of a friend of mine was broken into and he was robbed. The LAZY (pretty obvious) cop didn't even take fingerprints! When my home was broken into, again, they didn't even take fingerprints. In fact, they didn't even send an actual cop to my home. They sent that public helper fake cop (you know....the ones who drive around in the Ford F150s) to my home.
Please explain how sitting in a speed trap all day (the only thing cops are good for in SC) does anything to fight crime. It all comes down to the fact that traffic violations are far more profitable for law enforcement than actual police work.
Posted by forget on March 19, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Taking fingerprints in an apartment is aboout the same as taking them in a hotelroom. Almost the same as your home. You would then have to have ANYONE that's been in your home have their prints taken to eliminate. Now multiply that by how many if you live in an apartment. Ok, now get the guys fingerprints that cleaned your carpets, the pizza delivery guy, the guy that puts the flyers for church services on the door knobs, all your children's friends, your wife's friends, your friends, etc. The only way they get someone that breaks into your home is if they pawn the stuff, and thats if you have the serial numbers of your TV, stereo, cameras, etc.
Posted by CHRISJIII on March 19, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is long overdue for the feds to come in and investigate what goes on here in S.C. Thank goodness for the cameras or else all of these infractions would have been disputed by the officers and they would not have been held accountable.
Posted by rebel1 on March 19, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you people really want changes, quit bi@#$ing and vote these clowns out of office
Posted by Weeeee on March 19, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
forget-
I don't allow random people into my home; therefore, I doubt the pizza delivery man has even seen my gun case much less broken into it and tried to steal my weapons.
stand828-
For the lack of a better phrase, that's a jacked up story about Johnnie. Sadly, it's what I've grown to expect from SC law enforcement.
Posted by forget on March 19, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Probably more to this than Johnnie told you. Easier to get rid of it than to listen to an ambulance chaser for the next three years. We had a "Johnnie" working for us at times. Seems he was always getting "harassed" by cops, too. But he was always some place he should not have been, a little too drunk in local dives, driving without a license on a few occassions, etc.
Maybe the abandoned house was being used for illegal purposes? Maybe he has been involved in illegal activities occassionally in the area? Maybe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? And for the record, our "Johnnie" was white. And he's doing a little bit of time right now. And as he has said in the past, "I wasn't doing anything, just mindin' my own business". He was also one of the nicest people you would ever meet, would give you the shirt off his back.
Posted by forget on March 19, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Weeeee- didn't say you allow random people in your home, just anyone that has been in your home. Even relatives, friends of yours, the delivery people that may have delivered your gun case, etc. Didn't think the pizza delivery guy was touching your gun cabinet, just your front door and area. But, more people touch things in our homes than we think about.
Posted by walleyedwoman1215 on March 19, 2008 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bottom line: Two-ton vehicles used as weapons. People, those were HUMAN BEINGS, not whack-a-moles at the fair. Use your Taser. Use your pepper spray. Use your telescoping baton. But to aim your vehicle at someone? On what planet is that cool? WTF?
Posted by outrage on March 19, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Police Officers Prayer
Lord I ask for courage
Courage to face and conquer my own fears...
Courage to take me Where others will not go...
I ask for strength
Strength of body to protect others and strength of spirit to
lead others...
I ask for dedication
Dedication to my job, to do it well. Dedication to my
community,
To keep it safe...
Give me lord, concern for others who trust me
and compassion for those who need me...
And please Lord
Through it all - Be at my side.........
Posted by JohnS on March 19, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No problem with this article. If a suspect will not stop running opening the car door solves that problem. It beats getting out and chasing them. You need to make sure you carry large bandages with you because sometimes they may get some minor cuts. Offer them a soda and some crackers if they don't complain too much.
Posted by tondecc27 on March 19, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This offenders me the actions of these offices, not just the highway prole but all office agency think they are above the law berkeley county office are rude and will disrespect a person of color. Goose creek has some young office on it force that think the law is theirs to do as they please. I have become some what a watch dog of the offices, and I carry a log of the times I'm passed on I 26 by a police or state trooper speeding, I'm late for work the speed limited is 55 they are late what the hell 80 will do. I met a Berkely County office every morning on Hwy 16 speeding to make it to work on time. They call us the n work so freely that I think it's in their training manual, because if you don't use this word freely you would use it at work. This call young black men thugs or boy need to stop. You have to give respect to get respect. I would rather a older office with some years under his belt to stop me, these young officers trying to make a name for themselves have no respect for prople.
Posted by pickledweed on March 19, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
stop picking on the police. what about the punk who was running from the cops? he commited a crime, and the police have to do what they can to stop these idiots! the punk got what he deserved. dont want to get run over by the police? STOP BREAKING THE LAW!!
Posted by pickledweed on March 19, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"walleyedwoman1215
Bottom line: Two-ton vehicles used as weapons. People, those were HUMAN BEINGS, not whack-a-moles at the fair. Use your Taser. Use your pepper spray. Use your telescoping baton. But to aim your vehicle at someone? On what planet is that cool? WTF?"
the white officer is in a black area. as soon as he gets out of his car and taser the punk who comitted the crime, he will be attacked. he did what he had to do to stop the criminal.
tondecc27--- learn how to write englsh, before you post a comment!
"allwoman
stand-
Those cops don't do those things because the people are black, they do those things because they (the cops) are stupid and ignorant. I tell my kids this all of the time. If it appears that someone is treating you unfairly because you are different than they are it is because they lack intelligence and are so narrow-minded that they cannot see past a person's skin color.
I don't like to use the term they did it because I am black, because that makes it seem as if there is something wrong with being black and therefore alludes to something being wrong with me. I like to put credit where credit is due and make it the other person's issue and not mine; because that is the way it is. I can't change the fact that I am black, but prayerfully they can change the fact that they are ignorant.
Also, stand, not saying that it didn't happen, just saying that they did it because of their ignorance."
it isnt a race thing. if you break the law, you will be punished! every time a black person is treated in your eyes unfairly, its a race thing. STOP BREAKING THE LAW, AND NO ONE GETS HURT!!
remember, when it comes to race. there is only one race. the human race. color has nothing to do with race!!! pick up a book, and learn something sometime!!
Posted by Patrick on March 19, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Was it wrong? Maybe. Cultural relativism. Ordinary people become less ordinary. The line between right and wrong becomes easily blurred for these guys, they are surrounded by crime and the consant battle on the streets. I think the video is priceless. Very funny stuff.
Posted by BillMan on March 19, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What always has bothered me about stories like this is that we the citizens grant the police their power and pay their saleries yet we have an epidemic of cops in this state abusing their badge with respect to us citizens! I cannot tell you how many people I know that have told me about inappropriate actions by cops, its sickening, they forget who they work for, they work for us, and people need to raise hell if these guys do not change their ways! This is a huge problem!
Posted by BillMan on March 19, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am quite frankly sickened by some of these cops, remember the days when the criminals were the ones that made you sick, some cops are skirting the lines of being criminals! These guys forget who they work for!
Posted by rollo on March 19, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Richardson had wanted to do serious injury to the scumbag at the apt complex, he would have hit the accelerator at the time he struck the scumbag.
The man Garren hit actually ran in front of Garrets' car! Blue lights, Headlights, sirens!!!! The scumbag still ran in front of the car!
I'll say one thing here, y'all need to remember. The police are restricted to playing by the rules. the scumbags not only don't play by the rules, any one of them may decide to endanger you, or a member of your family, just to "stay in the game".
Those of you who condemn the HP without having access to all the facts are the same ones who will condemn the police if you are a victim and don't believe the police are agressive enough in doing their job.
Weeeeeeeee? Maybe you should do some personal investigation into what goes into a degree in criminal justice, then befriend a detective. IOW, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by rollo on March 19, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW, Weee, Was there evidence of a break-in, a forced entry, in either of the cases you cited, yours or your neighbors'?
Just wondering.
Posted by BillMan on March 19, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rollo,
I think the scumbags in this instance are the cops, this isn't the OK Corral, these guys job is to enforce laws for everyone else, but they are allowed to break them, is that how it works!
Posted by rockandroll on March 19, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is really funny to sit here and read the opinons of those who don't know what it is like to be LE. Check with your local agency about joining their reserve program. Since you have so much time on your hands to sit at your PC and express your ignorance, donate your free time to your community by being a law enforcement officer. Then you get to see it in real life form what it is like. Then lets see how long it takes to change your mind. The law can be in your hands.
OUTRAGE: Thanks for the prayer
Posted by deputy216 on March 19, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is wrong ,and to top it off the officer brags about it on tape.
Posted by BillMan on March 19, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rockandroll,
Seems like you don't know what its like to be a citizen, the cops job is to enforce the laws not to commit crimes against us! A suspect is innocent until proven quilty, or are you that ignorant to not know that! Hitting your car into someone is a crime, if I did it I would be charged! But in your opinion if you have a badge on its perfectly fine! Back to school for you!
Posted by miked1199 on March 19, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Back in the early 1980s I was pulled over by a highway patrol man who was working for the dorchester county sher. dept. He stop me in front of oakbrook bowling ally walked up pulled my door open and pulled me out then slammed the door and put my face thru the window. I was arrested for dui but no sobriety test or breathalizer due to blood. I spent the night in a cell then got out the next am to go trident hospital to get 87 stiches in my face and head. When we went to trial we found out the officer had served a suspencion from the SCHP for 6 months due to the fact he wrote tickets to all white people and warnings to all people of colored during a year period. He was on his second suspension for in court admitting he beat a white male soley because he was white .he then got a job with dorchester county while buying his time.. When you put a badge and a gun on a wacko you have a wacked out person with a gun and badge dont judge all officers as there are many great ones out there but there is also many more who have made it to the top in there proffesion by beating, threatening or killing those they are PAID to protect. If you were born and raised in sc you know not to upset law enforcement as if you are alive the next morning is a great day .And the sad part is the officer who did this to me and i am sure many others is now in a high postion witin the Schp,
Posted by scrisn on March 19, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Miked,
Good to see your up and alive, just goes to show all theses racist people that it flows both ways.
Maybe cattle guards are called for on the front of the cars?
Or a set of spike that inpails them on?
Most of these people running from the officers wear light clothing, and have the fight or flight running thru em. try running with 30 pds of gear, talking on a radio, looking at who else is around, is someone else gonna ambush me? Ohh yeah and then you have to sprint at full speed to catch up to, over take, and then 8-10 times fight a suspect that ran from you in the first place. Ohh yeah and now with youtube, home video, cell phone and evertyhing else you know you will be recorded. Would you be saying the same thing if that was a murder suspect and they killed your kid? You would want that person brought to justice.
Maybe better yet, we go back a century where public executions were everday occurances and crime was alot less then now. Steal a horse die, sell drugs die, 6 in 1 hand a half dozen in the other all the same in my book.
The next time your robbed by a thug, junkie, crackhead, gang banger trying to make bones, don't call these cops that you are disgracing. Call you local drug dealer. !!
Posted by YankeeLiberal on March 19, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's a little newsflash for all those here who somehow justify a cop willfully hitting a suspect with his car: it's just as illegal as shooting the suspect, or beating him/her to death...a car is a deadly weapon!! I don't give a crap what kind of lowly, violent career criminal you are pursuing, you can't just willfully hit the person with a several thousand pound vehicle!!! Why is it that a "no-brainer" seems so mystical to some??? Is it education (or lack thereof), or just "we've always just laughed it off"? And why, you ask, do certain individuals run from the police? Because they are afraid of episodes like this happening!!
Posted by chucktonian on March 19, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
if you run from the cops or resist arrest, you deserve what you get. a beating, tased, run over...it's all fair game. this would all be moot if these animals respected authority
Posted by YankeeLiberal on March 19, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that if you resist arrest physically, officers need to protect themselves with force commensurate with the threat (i.e., if I am a cop, and a criminal is coming at me trying to hurt or kill me, damn right I would respond with equal force!!). But the fact that you would describe another human as an animal, and justify running someone over (is that a cop defending himself with the hood of his car??) speaks volumes.
Your acceptance of this kind of act perpetuates its occurrence.
Posted by YankeeLiberal on March 19, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Exactly, officers are not above the law. And while we are at it, let's pay some collective gratitude to the reporters of this paper who had the guts to expose some of these actions.
I can't imagine that it's easy to do so in an environment that accepts these things as the cost of doing police business.
Posted by newto843 on March 19, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pickledweed I am glad that you see yourself fit to be both judge and jury. You say "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, AND NO ONE GETS HURT" ...an officer chases a "suspect" and nothing more until a judge and or jury of his peers decides otherwise.
Posted by newto843 on March 19, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Many of these current and retired officers commenting seem to show sympathy to these officers situations. I would think an honest officer would be nothing but pissed off at this conduct. It only takes one or two bad apples to make a whole force look bad. You are empowered to protect and serve and once you abuse this power with just a few you loose the respect of many and it is not easy to regain that trust.
Posted by rockandroll on March 19, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I never heard what the guy was being chased for anyway. I am sure the officer heard it . Murder suspect? Armed And Dangerous? Do you think that is possible. And what if the suspect had grabbed one of the kids after he first bailed out of the car and the officer was so far behind (if he too were on foot)?. Wonder if the trooper being so close to the suspect with his car that he prevented the suspect from harming someone else?
Billman: I know what it is like to be a citizen. Thats why I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN JAIL OR I HAVE NEVER HAD A SPEEDING TICKET FOR THAT MATTER. SO I HAVE NO REASON TO RUN . I DO WHAT A OFFICER TELLS ME TO DO. I HAVE RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? BACK TO SCHOOL FOR YOU!!!
Posted by YankeeLiberal on March 19, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Again, this is a no-brainer that seems mystical to some, including RockandRoll, Chucktonian, etc: There is no situation in which it's legal, appropriate, ethical, or anything else, to strike another human being with the front of your car.
Posted by pickledweed on March 19, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by newto843 (anonymous) on March 19, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pickledweed I am glad that you see yourself fit to be both judge and jury. You say "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, AND NO
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if he did nothing wrong, why was he running from the police? he was guilty of something. he broke some law, and ran. some of you people are as dumb as the criminals breaking the laws.
if you dont want cops chasing you, stop breaking the law. its simple, and if you cant see that, your a moron.
Posted by Roger1978 on March 20, 2008 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GREAT JOB GUYS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. SUPPORT THE SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY PATROL, THEY PUT SCUMBAGS IN JAIL JUST LIKE ALL OF THESE SCUMBAGS SHOWN IN ALL THESE VIDEOS.
SUPPORT THE SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY PATROL.
Posted by Creeker01 on March 20, 2008 at 4:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There you have it: Suspect gets away, Cops are lazy.
Suspect gets caught, Cops did it too brutally.
Suspect gets clipped by PO-leece car and still gets away with no injuries, Cops get suspended (without any complaint being filed by a suspect) and persecuted in the media by people too cowardly to convict or do anything but criticise about how fat & lazy the Cop must have been to hit him with his car.
Here's a news flash. When you bump an object traveling in the same direction at similar speeds, very little damage is done, and in the case of a running THUG, only knocks him off balance. A little road rash on a THUG? Boo Fricken Hoo.
When some of you people become Cops and have to depend on your wits to apprehend these THUGS because in many cases backup is 20 miles away, and then go home to your family alive, then you might be a little more circumspect... oops, big word... means "realistic".
Posted by lillycollette on March 20, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I refuse to accept the dangerous cow-boy mentality demonstrated by some police officers.
I have personally seen where it puts both them and the lives of their fellow officers at increased risk. The horrific destruction this can bring to them and their families is not something I would wish for them -- or anyone else.
I do not want them to use themselves badly -- and I bloody well shall never accept “anyone else” using them badly.
I have seen first-hand where LEO’s have been knowingly wrongfully used by scum-sucking bottom feeders to illegally jail an innocent victim. The scum-sucking bottom feeders were on the family court bench.
Of course ‘highclass’ and ‘grannyofsix’ will dishonor themselves by yelling that the person was only a dead-beat dad trying to avoid his duty to pay child support. I have come to realize that they can do no better than to make such fools of themselves. However, the victim in this case was “not married” and has “never had any children”.
I would like to see full respect for law enforcement officers by those officers, the court and the public.
Obviously the concept of “honor” sadly escapes some people. I am under no duty to accept dishonorable behavior from anyone who does not respect themselves. If anything I have a duty to speak out against it.
Posted by Weeeee on March 20, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Of course, rollo. I must've mistook the back door being kicked in for a key being used.
And I love how you assume because I have a problem with police not doing their job that I must not know any of them. I went to school with several. I'm still friends with several. I can attest that they spend more of their time getting in trouble (i.e. random public shootings of their service pistol) than they do actual police work.
Posted by grannyofsix on March 20, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
every cop sould go on strike for a week lets see what happens. There are bad and good in all people including in these post wonder how many posting here haave had a run in with the law by any means.I have had only one speeding ticket in my 45 years of driving thats my run in with the law how about all of you that are complaining
Posted by pickledweed on March 20, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by elisabetta (anonymous) on March 20, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Um pickledweed, It's against the law to run someone over with your car. Cops arn't suppose to kill people unless they feel that their lives, or the lives of others are directly threatened. Cops need to respect the law too.
Nobody said the guys running did nothing wrong.
Nobody said that the police chasing them is wrong either.
It's running over them with your vehicle, or driving through neighborhoods where children are playing that is just plain stupid. If you can't see that, then you are the moron."
the criminal ran in front of the officers car as he was chasing him. the video clearly shows this. you just turning a blind eye.
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So Rockandroll,
You have respect for authority that breaks the law and commits crime, go back to my original post it seems your mentality is if you wear a badge breaking the law does not apply to you because you have a badge on! What did you say about school?
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The reporters of this paper deserve alot of credit for exposing this, this has made it onto CNN, I can not tell you how many people I know who have similar stories about officers abusing their power, remember the day when the criminals were the bad guys?
Posted by BillMan on March 20, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gov. Sanford is right when he says these guys need to be fired, everyone of them, how can you respect authority when they are as bad as the people they are arresting! The Public Safety director has resigned for a reason, Gov. Sanford is getting alot of credit in the national media for this! Remember the days when the police made news for enforcing the laws, not breaking them! This seems like everyday now we hear about this!
Posted by YankeeLiberal on March 20, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Indeed BillMan, the paper's staff deserves credit for exposing
the good ole boy mentality. Public safety personnel are held to a higher standard. Perhaps the national attention and scrutiny will lead to reforms needed.
Posted by devinethinking on March 20, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bottom line this situation is ridiculous and way out of hand. The officer(s) was wrong, you do not go into the back of a residence chasing someone with other tenants around, in a vehice. It went too far and he was in the wrong bottom line. There is a limit as to how far you will go to catch someone. In both cases there is no threat with an offender on foot running from you. There is training and a common sense way of handling the matter. Putting other people in jeopardy doesn't catch the criminal it simply puts other people in jeopardy. People, be it white or black or blue or green will sometimes run its' in their nature; that's why they are criminals. This has nothing to do with working hard as an officer. It is about exercising common sense. Catching a criminal is one thing. Endangering the community you took an oath to protect is another. Regardless of the criminals running, the measures used to catch them is out of hand. The criminals are just as human as the officers who chased and abused them. Every officer is not bad. What you have is a case of two officers making horrible choices in how to catch the criminal. Between catching and chasing-- excitement and stupidity kicked in, and peoples' lives were threatened all around. Punishment for these choices needs to be swift and harsh. Officers are held to a higher standard-- to whom much is given much more will be expected and demanded. It is a criminal's job to threaten, run, and anything else. And with each choice the criminal makes there is a force continuum to coincide on the officer's behalf to handle the situation. This was not utilized. To make the comments of hitting someone with a car on purpose is ignorant and clearly showing that they not only have no respect for the law or their jobs. Criticism against the officers, the residents, and the criminals is just that, criticishm. It is like an elbow and a (a--h---) we all have them. The concern should be how do we a citizens ensure that officers are doing their job correctly? How do we as citizens ensure that we do our part to protect our community? Peace people
Posted by Whats_Right08 on March 20, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It officers like these who give cops a BAD reputation, they are good cops who actually go above and beyond the call of duty to help the community/city and dont need a badge to prove what kind of person they are. It's time for crooked officers to be held accountable for unproper behavior, not saying these officers are not good people but probley w/ there level of experince they should KNOW BETTER. This is the behavior some rookie cop might do just to prove what kind of person the are, if you are man enough to dish it, you sould be man enough to take it.
Posted by jammer007 on March 20, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think he got what he deserved . Too bad he didn't break his leg . That idiot broke the law and ran from police . Now it's another race issue . I'm so tired of hearing the " cause I'm black " BS ! I bet there wouldn't be such a problem if it was a white guy ! Watch " Amazing Videos " on Spike t.v. They show that the hit with car method works well on whites and hispanics too . Thomas1776..........You're an idiot.
Posted by Pluffmuddy on March 20, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jam on, jammer...you've nailed the whole issue in just a few simple sentences. What's more, Thomas1776 has PLENTY of company.
Posted by BillMan on March 21, 2008 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jammer007,
Let me say it one more time, a suspect is innocent until proven quilty in a court of law, ever heard that? Running someone over with your car is a crime/ a felony, I'm sure you've heard that! So what are you saying about this being acceptable? Oh, if you have a badge on then you are above the law, I understand what your saying now! I understand your point very well! Now you do too!
Posted by onemadwoman on March 21, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Since he was the BOSS when all of this happened I guess Governor Sandford can kiss his VP invitation goodbye! hehe
Makes me want to cry. NOT!
Hell, we ought to hire bounty hunters, they can get away with more stuff than the police or troopers. I say start signing them up! Shoot(in the leg) every Dumb A** that wants to run.
Posted by flyingopinion on March 22, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The only thing I see wrong, is that he didn't hit the man hard enough. Don't take the blame away from the man that committed a crime, presumably (he wouldn't run if he didn't have something to hide). God forbid, if someone in the complex was hurt. If so, then charge the fleeing suspect. We pay the police to do a job, let them do it!
Posted by BillMan on March 22, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We don't pay the police to break the law and kill innocent people, thus if they continue doing this they will be fired and we won't have to pay them anymore! Now we're getting somewhere!
Posted by onemadwoman on March 22, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by BillMan (anonymous) on March 22, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"We don't pay the police to break the law and kill innocent people, thus if they continue doing this they will be fired and we won't have to pay them anymore! Now we're getting somewhere."
That way of thinking and there will NOT be ANYONE to PROTECT YOU! If that's what you want.........
Posted by BillMan on March 22, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh,
I'm sure there are plenty of honest, law abiding guys that would love to be in law enforcement to replace the bad apples, with your way of thinking you and me might not be around, if that's what you want.....
Posted by ChrisPia on March 23, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Billman, just a thought, But I did not see any police officer During those 2 videos driving. Can you tell me how you have determined their guilt already..?.Can You tell me who was behind the Wheel? Was it a male or female?
Now before you jump down my throat I am Not Condoning this action..Officers are Human and get caught up in the adrenaline of the incident..I think a suspension or reprimand is in Order.Maybe Drivers training...These Officers were doing what we ask them to do. Catch the criminals. Sometimes Mistakes are made and they need to be corrected by Supervision..... I do not condone hitting a deft. with the car But when they run in front of a moving vehicle during a pursuit the Officer could have hit the gas peddle instead of the break....
Posted by icareschp on April 1, 2008 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think anyone can or should cast stones!!!
John 8
1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."