Some North Charleston schools alter start times
Changes at other institutions under consideration
The Post and Courier
Sunday, June 29, 2008
Coming Monday:
When it comes to computerized learning tools, some schools have them, some don't. Charleston County school officials want less disparity and more technology in the classrooms.
Some North Charleston elementary school students will be going to school in the dark while high school students sleep in an extra hour. Changes to start times at other Charleston County schools, meanwhile, could be on the horizon. County schools Superintendent Nancy McGinley has given the OK to a plan that allows students at Stall and North Charleston high schools to start an hour later this fall while North Charleston elementary school students will start 20 minutes earlier. The changes are designed to benefit high school students. Research shows that adolescents have later sleeping and waking patterns than younger students and that later start times can improve their attendance, academic performance and grades. But some parents and principals are concerned that the changes will hurt elementary school students and their families by resulting in more late arriving students, child care problems because older siblings won't be home when younger ones come home from school and safety issues with children walking to school in the dark. "For those who can make the transition, they will," said Laurence Martin, a parent and PTA president at Goodwin Elementary. "But for those who are struggling, this may make things more difficult." Only one of the parents surveyed at Goodwin Elementary was OK with the earlier start time. Every other family didn't want the schedule change because of safety and child care concerns, Martin said. Changing high schools' start time affects elementary schools because the district has a limited number of school buses, and each bus must run a route for the elementary, middle and high schools, said Katie McClure, director of school transportation in the county. A change in the time in one route affects the others, she said. Associate Superintendent Lynda Davis, who oversees schools in Mount Pleasant, McClellanville and North Charleston, said school officials started talking about this proposal last fall. A group of district officials researched whether it would be beneficial to alter the start times, worked with the district's bus company and solicited feedback from elementary, middle and high school principals, teachers, constituent board members and city officials before presenting the proposal to the superintendent for approval. While no other area of the school district will see changes in its bell schedule this fall, that could change for the 2009-2010 school year. Associate Superintendent Lou Martin, who supervises the county's high schools, said he plans to begin reviewing the start times at West Ashley High, Baptist Hill High and St. John's High, which would affect elementary and middle school students in those areas. The public would have an opportunity to weigh in on the change before he makes a recommendation to the superintendent, he said. Last year, West Ashley elementary school parents' tempers flared when school officials announced they were considering changing start times. Parents flooded the school district office with e-mails and phone calls when The Post and Courier broke the story, and McGinley immediately responded by postponing the changes until more feedback could be solicited. Mount Pleasant switched to a later schedule for Wando High students and an earlier one for elementary school students nearly 10 years ago. Although some parents initially resisted the change, Belle Hall Elementary Principal Terri Nichols said most of her school community likes the schedule now. Parents can spend more time in the afternoons with their children and teachers can stay after school for a faculty meeting and still be on their way by 4 p.m., she said. "Once they start doing it, they're really going to like it," Nichols said. Dan Conner, principal of Stall High, is a major proponent of the later schedule for high school students. A large percentage of his school's students have after-school jobs that don't end until midnight, and when students have to wake up at 4:30 a.m. to get ready to catch the bus, "it was a recipe for nonacademic performance," he said. He said that while Stall has improved its discipline, teacher quality and course offerings, it's biggest problem still is attendance, he said. He said he understands the concerns of elementary school families, but is interested in providing the best setting possible for high school students to be successful. "Is it a miracle cure? No. But in our opinion, it will be a large contributor to helping our kids," Conner said. LaDene Conroy, principal of Hursey Elementary, said 98 percent of the school's parents indicated they wanted an earlier start. She said most of her students come to school awake, and she has a free after-school program. "I'm not concerned with it at all," she said. Mary Reynolds, principal of Goodwin Elementary, said the change will mean more tardy students, and some of her teachers with children who live farther away have said the earlier start will be difficult for their families. "It's going to be a challenge, really," she said. Cindy Smalls, principal of Mary Ford Elementary, said only about 40 of the school's 450 parents responded, and most favored the earlier start time. She was surprised because many students already arrive late, she said. Although she's met with parents and sent a note home about the change, she wondered whether parents were aware of the earlier start. "I'm just willing to wait and see how things work out," she said.
Reach Diette Courrégé at dcourrege@postandcourier.com or 937-5546.
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Posted by zekemire on June 29, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What a crock! These "students" had better learn to adjust to the real world, not be coddled by these nuts! If school or a job or otherwise starts at 8 AM, then they had better learn to be there on time ready to do their work! I do not think that Asian or other students are coddled like this! In fact they attend school from early morning to late evening 6 days per week! No wonder they kick our butts on various tests!
Posted by lexylady on June 29, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
zekemire, I agree with you. This is the biggest bunch of bull I have ever heard. OH, BUT it's for THE CHILDREN!!
Give me a break.
Posted by zoomru on June 29, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Are we going to take this ? This is about ENERGY......Fuel....... and Funds. These little RASCALs are trying to PULL a fast one. This whole report is an outright miss-leading LIE. Wholly ..Bat BUS. !!!! I think ole' Aurthur has finally started kicking the right bucket. He must have watched the BUCKET LIST. Way to go RAVENEL..... Good JOB.!
The Real story is spreading these times out so not everyone is on the ROADS at the SAME TIME ... thereby saving time and you guessed it FUEL. Do you know how much fuel the busses burn sitting in traffic . .. or how much fuel is wasted on I-26 in the morning by all the parents and high schoolers sitting in traffic??
This NEWSPAPER wouldn't call an official out if tey HAD TOO. Does Riley and firehoses come to mind. I guess a year from now we will have a report interviewing some county official about how everyone loves the new schedules and how THEY discovered that it saved FUEL. You don't FOOL me Post and Courier!!!! Not with this article or the shameful TRASH solution you fail to print or discuss.. if you need reminding go to www.startech.net and learn.
Posted by drp7773 on June 29, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
lol What a joke, now the teens can stay up later playing their video games......
Posted by common_sense_plz on June 29, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dan Conner, principal of Stall High, is a major proponent of the later schedule for high school students. A large percentage of his school's students have after-school jobs that don't end until midnight, and when students have to wake up at 4:30 a.m. to get ready to catch the bus, "it was a recipe for nonacademic performance," he said.
Can we say that someone is violating child labor laws having school going students work that late.
Posted by LadyTarHeel on June 29, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I had to be at school at 7:30 in high school. I worked until 10:30 just about every school night and I still made it to school and was able to perform academically! I think this is just giving students an excuse. If you want to change school times for economic reasons, say so. Don't make up excuses!
Posted by Tammie on June 30, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I had to be in school by 7:10 once upon a time when I was in high school. Plus I lived on a farm so no sleep til the animals got fed and I did my share of chores. Extra sleep my aunt fanny.
Posted by ParkCircle4Ever on June 30, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Many students who attend North Charleston and Stall must work to support their families because they live in poverty. Administrators are legitimately trying to level the playing field by having the older kids start later. It is working in Mt. Pleasant, where I would guess much fewer kids work. Why is it so horrible for North Charleston High Schools to want the same? The Academic magnet starts at 8, School of the arts etc...
Posted by keepinitreal on July 1, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The idea makes sense but for the wrong ones...the high schoolers should be the ones to stand in the dark waiting to catch a bus, not the kiddies! My kids went through this when they were in kindergarten and elementary because they shared a couple of buses with the middle and high schoolers, so it worked out good for me, since kindergarten didn't start until 8:15 when all the high schoolers were already in class. Then when I got on the road to go to my job, it was smooth sailing. BUT that was more than 10 years ago and my youngest is already 15.
Common Sense_
they cannot make the excuse of the job only laziness because according to SC Labor Laws any student who works is limited by the times they can work, so there should be no student holding down any job that runs until midnight. Most have to be out by 10pm on any weeknight excluding Friday and are limited to 20 hours. At least that's how I remember it when I managed a grocery store.
Posted by TasharaP on July 1, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I just wanted to voice my opinion to you and to let you know how very upset I am that the Elementary School Bell Schedule was changed to 30 minutes earlier. It was stated that the high schoolers have a hard time getting up that early. Well try going to bed earlier. What will they do in the real world when it's time to get a job? Call in and tell the boss they can't get up that early? It's hard enough on Elementary school kids to get up like mine at 6:00 am to catch the bus by 6:50 and be at school by 7:25, but now they have to get up 30 minutes earlier. So if it's hard on the high schoolers what makes you think it's any easier on a elementary school child? I am very disappointed in this decision!!!!