Posted by Smart_Enough_2_Know_Better on July 24, 2008 at 1:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another case of great parenting. Don't just wish it weren't happening- forbid it and enforce your decision. And who lets their 13 (or is it 14- nice reporting, P&C) year old wander out at midnight?

I guess the fact that he is a runt of a man made him seem less menacing. She's got four inches on him- who knows, maybe she abducted him!

Posted by eatmorecollards on July 24, 2008 at 4:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm afraid theres a lot we wouldn't understand about some of these Mexican Indians from isolated communities way down in the bowels of Mexico. I'm thinking thats the case here.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 24, 2008 at 6:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In my opinion it is not a cultural issue and it is not the family’s fault. It is well known that a young girl who `thinks` she’s in love is the most unreasonable person on earth. I am sure that there are some among us who have at some point in their boyhood [or even manhood] gotten some 'girl,' albeit probably not a statutory situation, to do things that went completely against her upbringing or parents’ wishes. Many times the more the parents express contempt, the more it seems to draw the 'pair' closer...I speak from personal experience.

In this particular case, the family set boundaries, “The two are, against the family's wishes, a couple." There is nothing that the parents could’ve done, short of locking this girl in a room with no windows, to contain those raging hormones. Had they taken more drastic measures, I presume, that too would have been an article in the P and C and criticisms would have been directed at harsh treatment of the 13 year old.

Posted by RW on July 24, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An illegal alien manipulating a young female.No...these people are here just for a better life they arent criminals!

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The two are, against the family's wishes, a couple,"

Really? I would like to know how & when their 13 yr. old daughter had the opportunity to become a "couple" with a 21 yr. old.

If the family knew he was an illegal, why didn't they report him?

Heck, they did not have to report him simply for being an illegal. If he was coming around their daughter against their wishes he should have been reported for that.

Posted by RW on July 24, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where are the bleeding heart libs? What would they do if this illegal manipulated their daughter and ran off with her? I dont expect a straight answer only to be called racist...yada..yawn!

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 24, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

abitskeptical,
Great question! Had they reported his 5'2, 21 year old butt this would not be an issue...not with that particular guy anyway.

Posted by gabba on July 24, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Police think the couple is in the area." They is? Great english.

Posted by gabba on July 24, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nevermind...Seems my enlish isn't so good.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 24, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, it is great english. There is only ONE (singular) couple so the correct grammar is "the couple is". If there was MORE than one couple (plural) the reporter would have used "the couples are".

Posted by RW on July 24, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Her parents should be fuming...a lifetime on the run evading immigration and living off tomato pickers wages....auuuuuuugh!

Posted by JDHawg on July 24, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

castrast him and deport his gravel belly back to Mexico.

I had to edit what I really wanted to say

Posted by RTC on July 24, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How many people here would allow a 21 yr. old man near their 13 yr. old daughter? I didn't think so.
No 13 yr.old daughter of mine would hook up with a grown man against my or her father's wishes.
Somebody would get hurt, and I don't just mean emotionally.
Is it not considered kidnapping to take a minor, even willingly, across state lines?

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 24, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love it when people say what their kids ~won't~ do...

Posted by RTC on July 24, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They think they are in the area? Guess it wouldn't be kidnapping then. I doubt that they will stay in the area if they can manage to get away from here.
Papacita and Mamacita need to be arrested for allowing this guy near their daughter and failing to report him.
You don't become a "couple" after a chance encounter.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC..I believe you are correct about the kidnapping charge.

I am with you on the 13 yr old-21 yr old thing...
As I asked in my earlier post..how & when could they have had the opportunity to "become a couple"?

I do not like jumping all over the parents in a situation like this, but it does seems like they were aware of an ongoing relationship of some sort & did not take proper steps to end it. I am curious as to what action, if any, they employed to put an end to that shenanigans.

Posted by ysillyme on July 24, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC.
Good point but if they don't leave the area, isn't it technically still kidnapping? Should be easy to spot with her carrying him on her back though.

Posted by RTC on July 24, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL@ ysillyme. She must not only prefer older men, but short dudes also. Do you think she made a papoose for him?
I'm not sure if that is a Hispanic thing, so possibly he is being carried around in a basket on her head. That would surely draw attention.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 24, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

um, no, it's kidnapping alright.
if he's having sex with her, it's kidnapping AND rape.

immigrant or not, i don't care. he's a criminal.
if he loves her, he will do what is right and return her to her worried parents. if he loves her, he will wait until she is 18.

i have nothing against the age difference. my parents have 14 years between them. My mom was 22 when she met my dad though, and he married her.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 24, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ha ha ha! i didn't realize HE was the short one.
and wow, she's 5'6 and only 100 pounds?

Posted by RTC on July 24, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

farfallaspeaks, I wouldn't care about the age difference either if she was older. I can't understand why a 21 yr.old man would be interested in a relationship with a girl this young, except for sexual reasons. For that, he should be arrested and prosecuted. She is still basically a child.
Maybe in their culture it is considered an accepted practice, but it is not the norm in our country.

Posted by ysillyme on July 24, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another good sign it's them..Jalapeno pepper vapor shooting out their asses seeking treatment for salmonella poisoning! Money's gotta be a little tight now.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed, it is not the age difference per se, but the timing of the age difference.

A 7 yr. difference in age becomes a relatively smaller & smaller difference the older we get...mathematics & percentages, ya know?

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL RTC -"possibly he is being carried around in a basket on her head."

I know there is nothing funny about this situation, but you made me laugh with that.

Posted by RTC on July 24, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

abitskeptical, you are right. It is a serious situation, but you just have to go with the visual on this one. :)

Posted by eyfigueroa on July 24, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ahhhh, ethnic stereotype (Hispanic) jokes.

ysilly, RTC, abitskeptical: Yup. You got 'us' pegged. That's how 'we' are. That's what 'we' do.

If I posted how I really felt about you "ass"inine people one of you crybabies would probably hit the "suggest removal" tab.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eyfigueroa..good grief, chill out..if you want to tell me that since I am a middle aged honky white women I probably can't jump high or run fast...go ahead..I'll laugh & tell you, you are right.

If you have at your finger tips some stereotypical ideas or charactertures(I cannot seem to get the spelling of this word to save my life) of us euro-Caucasians though them our way..some are probably deserved & funny at that.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

*throw them our way

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I must say, though, eyfig, that almost all of the comments have been ones of concern over this situation, not ones of sterotyping the ethnicity of the parties involved.

I have to wonder where your priorities are, that your comment contained not one note of concern over this situation that all the rest of us see as serious.

Posted by tallblonde on July 24, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eatmorecollards - I think in this case they're talkin' about the bowels of Goose Creek.... ;-)

"Mexican Indians from isolated communities way down in the bowels of Mexico."

Posted by SCPDBLUE on July 24, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anybody checked the legal status of the family? If they are illegal and once the 21 year old TACO is caught, then they can be deported together back to Mexico and let the Mexican police worry about it...Noe Marin Jimenez is described as 5 feet 2 inches tall and 130 pounds. Wow thats like tring to ID a Brovo Mike who just robbed someone on Remount Rd,UHHmmm he was a blk male,Blk hair,Brown eyes,5'8'- 6'2'...... Go to Stall road and see how many 5'2" illegals are hanging out.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 24, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Or trying to ID a Whiskey Mike whose meth lab just blew up!

Posted by tallblonde on July 24, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL w/Lovely_One! or trying identify them out of a Wando High School lineup...... ;-)

Posted by Lovely_One on July 24, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LMAO! tallblonde, that was a low blow...but when you are right you are right!

Posted by eatmorecollards on July 24, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tallblonde, I don't think they are from Goose Creek. It might also surprise you to know that in much of Mexico the age of consent is 12 years old.

Posted by jeff61 on July 24, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimenez is described as 5 feet 2 inches tall and 130 pounds. Amores' description is 5 feet 6 inches tall and 100 pounds.

They must have got this screwed up, She is probably 5'2" and 100 lbs and he is 5'6" 130 lbs. Now we are on the look out two different people. At least they provided a photo. I wonder you took the Pic????

Just remember folks, It is, typically, a kid walking off, no need for concern here

Posted by tallblonde on July 24, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eatmorecollards - actually in Mexico, the age at which there are no restrictions for sexual activity is 18, while the minimum age of consent varies between 12 and 18, according to various Mexican state laws. Mexican Federal Law sets the minimum age at 12, but allows Mexican State Law to legislate above the age of 12.

However, I don't think I'd use that as a defense in the US.

Posted by eatmorecollards on July 24, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tallblonde, No they couldn't use that as a defense here but not being able to speak or read english perhaps they don't know what our laws are. Maybe you would be so kind as to go down to the areas deemed as little Mexico and inform them.

Posted by Larz13 on July 24, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When they catch this guy they will turn him over the ICE.

Posted by tallblonde on July 24, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eatmorecollards - "Ignorantia juris non excusat," Translation - ignorance of law is no excuse.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 24, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"He is not suspected of endangering her," Hoskins said. What an fn moron!!A 21yr old man dating a 13yr old?So molestation doesn't endanger a child?How does a 13yr old "date" anyone against their parents wishes?(it's not like this is a school age boy she could see at school)I have a 13yr old and she isnt allowed to "date" anyone.Not to mention she's not running around at midnight.People are too busy trying to be their kids friend instead of a parent.Wake up people,parenting isnt a popularity contest.

Posted by Girleygirl on July 24, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have you all ever thought that she may be hiding her relationship from her parents especially if they did not agree with it. The parents may not have wanted to call the police because they thought it was an issue they could handle. Maybe the daughter lied about a lot of things as well. I can't blame the parents on a hormonal teenage girl that seem like she was going to do what she was going to do regardless.

I do hope that she is found safe and hopefully her relationship with her parents can be repaired....

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 24, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand the sneaky teenage hormone thing.But I know where my kids are every minute.Oh and MY KID CAN READ!!! :)

Posted by eyfigueroa on July 24, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abitskeptical: Interesting. You comment on my priorities when it is you and your cohorts that made very specific denigrating comments in regards to the race/ethnicity of this couple.

If you must know how I feel about this article; I'm in agreement with my_50 and girleygirl. I see this as a precocious teenager who feels that she is in 'love' and decided to take matters into her own hands by running away with her lover.

The young man SHOULD be arrested on the deliquency charge and possible statutory rape (however without being caught in the act or his "DNA" found on her body they can simply lie about that).

And for the rest of you that automatically assume her family members are 'illegal' please spare me and the rest of the intelligent people out here your bigoted assumptions about hispanic people.

Not all of us Hispanics or people with Hispanic sounding names are here illegally.

Posted by eyfigueroa on July 24, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another thing abitskep: I'm not going to "throw your way" any stereotypes about you or any other race/ethnicity.

Though most stereotypes have some basis in truth, I see no reason to extrapolate that all (insert race/ethnicty here) do/are/have/will (insert stereotype here).

I leave that to individuals such as you and SCPDBLUE.

I, unlike some of you people, comment/debate logically and coherently albeit with too much passion on occasion.

:-)

Posted by RW on July 24, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not all latino's are here illegally...just 95%!They are only here because they have destroyed their own country.And that the cold cash they send home keeps Mexico afloat! Crime increases everywhere illegals show up!Property values decrease and hospitals become overwhelmed by illegals wanting free medical care. This is not debateable! Go to Atlanta and to any hospital waiting room! All illegal aliens and no one has any intention of paying! Hell the hospitals even has to hire interpreters because they can understand someone screaming in pain..in spanish! DEPORT! DEPORT! DEPORT! And you bleeding hearts..go with them to Mexico!

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eyfig: First of all, I personally made NO comments or reference relative to race or status as legal citizens.

The comments in my 1st posts I made w/ no regard for the race or ethnicity of the girl & her "lover", as you have called this predator.

In making a sweeping generalization on the state of my mind in regard to people of Hispanic heritage,you, albeit perhaps unwittingly, have done pretty much what you accused me of doing.

Using your very words, I say "And for...you that automatically assume..." that finding a light hearted comment referring to a benign cultural practice amusing, indicates racial bigotry, "...please spare me and the rest of the intelligent people out here your bigoted assumptions"......... about everyone else who is not Hispanic.

For the record, I personally have had only positive experiences with Hispanic folks.

My daughter's best friend is Puerto Rican.

My brother-in-law employs several men of Hispanic heritage & always notes that they are his hardest & most trusted workers, that he wished all of his employees had their work ethic.

Years ago my husband frequently saw Mexican migrant workers in the ER, for one thing or another, & often commented that they always paid the bill. He noted that even when they were drunk, they were more polite & cooperative than most others who came to the ER drunk.

I learned long ago that knee-jerk assumptions about most anything usually does that "thing" of making ASS of U & ME. Too bad you cannot see yourself in that little ditty.

I did comment on another's post which triggered an image I found amusing. I would have found it amusing regardless of race. If you want to believe that makes me a racist bigot, well, I certainly have no delusion that I can stop your assumption of such.

A word about bigotry: People who truly are bigots will not hear what you say, regardless of your tone. Those who truly do not have bigotry in their hearts will hear you better if you do not attack them.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 24, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eyfig
another thing

I commented on your priorities because frankly it seems you were/are more concerned w/ trolling this particular article looking for an argument than w/ the situation concerning this young girl.

I made the comment about throwing stereotypes my way in an effort to demonstrate to you that I realize none of us are beyond being stereotyped & therefore we all need to keep a sense of humor & learn not to take ourselves too seriously.

I guess that wasn't clear..or maybe you missed my point because you were too busy chastising me.

Posted by RW on July 24, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about the illegals staying and the liberals move to Mexico! At least the illegals would work and we would be able to dismantle the nanny state! In no time the left would introduce great society programs, open a NOW Chapter along with an ACLU. Big business would be demonized and sued out of business. There would be racial preferences, dumbing down of students and probably no pharmaceutical business at all! Cuba would be the model! No relgion except worship of the state. In a few years the squalor that is Mexico would be a thousand x worse!

Posted by Time4action on July 24, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The parents should be held responsible. Even if they disagreed, they must have allowed them to be together. It is a responsiblity of the parent to know where the child is and with whom. I cannot understand how a 21 yr old man could be interested in a 13 yr old child. This is very frightening. The very fact that they were even allowed to socialize makes me wonder about the parents. This sounds like a case of the parents letting the child control them rather than them controlling the child. Sad, sad, sad. When will parents learn?

Posted by jeff61 on July 24, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Son of a Bitch... I was going to slide that My KID CAN READ comment in here at some point

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 24, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JIMINEZ, FERNANDA ES UNA NINA.
TODOS PIENSAN QUE ERES UN DIABLO.
ESPERA 10 ANOS
SUS PADRES ESTAN PREOCUPADOS.
SI LA QUIERES, POR FAVOR....

COMPRENDE?????

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 25, 2008 at 2:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is hilarious! I have never seen so many testimonials in one post. No halo affect [stereotyping], but:

"-For the record, I personally have had only positive experiences with Hispanic folks.
-My daughter's best friend is Puerto Rican.
-My brother-in-law employs several men of Hispanic heritage & always notes that they are his hardest & most trusted workers, that he wished all of his employees had their work ethic.
-Years ago my husband frequently saw Mexican migrant workers in the ER, for one thing or another, & often commented that they always paid the bill. He noted that even when they were drunk, they were more polite & cooperative than most others who came to the ER drunk."
************************************************************
Sounds like:
-For the record, my dog understands Spanish.
-My parrot speaks Spanish...and likes pollo guisado.
-My last housekeeper was of Hispanic Heritage and she always combed her hair, wore shoes and wore clean clothes to work, we always gave her our hand-me-downs.
-Years ago I lost a ring and Hispanic gentlemen returned it to me. I offered to pay him as a reward and he refused payment. Although he appeared to be under the influence, he was very nice and respectful, more so than those other drunken ~ones~ .
************************************************************

I am sure calling attention to this equates to "trolling."

Posted by RW on July 25, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My 50cents,

The fact is that illegal aliens are causing a disproportionate amount of crime and just about bankrupting health care! They seem to know if they cry a bit and point to little Roberto's tummy that they wont have to pay! Dont take my word for it..go to any hospital emergency room and ask if it's a problem!

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 25, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RW,
I understand your position and I am well aware of the illegal immigration situation. I do not feel inclined to visit any venues solely for proof. I do not support illegal immigration and recognize it as a problem, just as many other Americans. The point I always attempt to make is all folks should not be lumped into one category be it positive or negative, which is where we differ. Hispanic/Latino is not synonymous with illegal entry into this country, just as Black/African American is not synonymous with a life of crime and public assistance.

Bottom line is, again: all the testimonials in the world will not prove ALL Hispanics [people of any race] to be good, bad or illegal…or anything else...Even if I make the ER my second home. I do not think it is unreasonable to point out the constant judging of individuals not as individuals, but based solely on their ethnic group/race/color [Hispanic/Latino] or the [typically negative] situation of the day [illegal immigration/bank robbery/unemployment].

Thanks for your point of view.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 25, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My_10_cents: "I am sure calling attention to this..."

To what exactly do you think you are calling attention? That you are holier than thou & carry around a huge boulder on your shoulders?

Insinuating my statements are something they are not reveals about you what I "called attention" to about eyfig: You've the mindset of a bigot & a racist. You have a preconceived notion about a person. Regardless of what is said or offered you cling to YOUR narrow idea of things.

Further, your asinine off the wall attempt at parody re-write, belittling what I had to offer, demonstrates something truly absurd about you.

I offered what I did as eyfig claimed that I think I "know all about what 'they' are like & what 'they' do". I was trying to demonstrate what I do know from my personal experiences & associations with some people who happened to be of the Hispanic heritage to which eyfig was referring, & it isn't exactly what she assumes.

I'm so sorry if it offends anyone that since my daughter's best friend makes reference to her own heritage that I happen to know what it is, & mentioned it here.

I'm so sorry that since my brother-in-law identified that his most trusted workers are Hispanic, that I happened to have this to share, & mentioned it here.

I'm so sorry, that in addition to a bunch of red neck drunks that stumble into the ER to get stitched up, a few Mexican migrant workers also stumbled in & that my husband happened to see a distinct difference in a general attitude between the 2 obviously different ethnic groups of people w/ whom he had REGULAR CONTACT, & that I threw in that info as well.

(BTW, when people come into the ER---there is no guess work..if they APPEAR drunk, there are tests to confirm it..or didn't you know that?)

Oh--in addition to the other "testimonials"..I forgot to mention the fine Brazilian surgeon my husband worked w/ a few years ago...

Oops...I'm sorry. Did I mention the surgeon's background? I could have said "the fine surgeon" w/whom my husband worked, like I would in any other circumstance, but it would be a non-sequeter relative to the discussion.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 25, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Also BTW..

I was not trying to "prove" anything except that my life experience has introduced me to folks, SOME OF WHOM HAPPEN TO BE OF THE HISPANIC HERITAGE to which people were refering, that are very different from many of the characterizations that are seen everywhere today.

If you, .50 could not easily figure out that means I am fully aware that folks, regardless of race, skin color, religion, culture, on & on, are first & foremost human beings & human nature prevails, then you did not want to see what I was trying to say.

Of course people of a same race & culture will demonstrate similar characteristics, but bottom line--they are simply one part of the HUMAN RACE.

I, for one, need no lectures to reveal this to me.

It seems that many people here need to develop a sense of humor & not take themselves so seriously.

Sometimes we humans are so predictable that it IS funny.

If I could not laugh at myself, my life would be so much duller.

Try it, folks. You'll find it liberating.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 25, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Abitskeptical,

I won't waste much time w/ you, it's not necessary. Answer to your question: That you are a high and mighty bigot...

Ma’am with all due respect, get a life and gain some personal experiences; stop living vicariously through your husband. I think you’ve tooted loud enough for all of Charleston to know that HE works in the medical profession. Congrats to HIM.

Save you additional hate mail. Take a time out...5 minutes in the corner.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 25, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I meant, "your hate mail.."

2 pages of nothing...thanks!

Posted by abitskeptical on July 25, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good grief 50cents..well I guess you told me! feel better?

I was mistaken. You aren't lugging around a single boulder. It appears you are trying to maneuver life while carrying around several on both shoulders. Maybe you'll manage to unload a few of them one day & see life & others with less angry judgment.

Posted by RW on July 25, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My50,
You are right to a point.I do not wish to spew hate but..the situation has been out of control for awhile. As long as we do nothing ..we can expect our towns to start looking like Juarez Mexico. These people are third world people who destroy cultures..not unlike liberal democrats who destroy civilizations! I think you are level headed though!

Posted by lillycollette on July 25, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I happen to be in agreement with eyfigueroa and My 50Cents Worth on several points. This young girl has enough problems to face without racial comments under guise of concern for her wellbeing.

Posted by lillycollette on July 25, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Spelling for Dummies:
Charactertures.
See, caricature(s).

Posted by eyfigueroa on July 25, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RW: I agree with most of your last few posts. There is a problem with illegal immigration, and believe it or not most Hispanic CITIZENS dislike it and do what we can with our money and votes to change it.

abitskep: I must say you were very diligent and verbose in your attempt to explain/redeem yourself. Here's a tip: When trying to explain yourself, especially when trying to deflect an accusation of bigotry, WHATEVER YOU DO, don't throw out the

*some of my best friends are...
*my children play with...
*my husband knows...
*he/she was so polite...
*he/she speaks so well...

There is no such thing as a light-hearted 'race' joke. It only serves to perpetuate stereotypes that have no place in modern society.

Just yesterday suec joked about the boy who was killed by a hit/run driver, and I paraphrase, "if he just smiled and blinked rapidly the driver would have seen him". Suec then had the audacity to chastise those who was offended by that by saying it was just a lighthearted 'race' joke.

Yesterday & today you have shown a kinship to that poster. My hope for you is that it's some type of aberration on your part, but I highly doubt it.

The most dangerous of bigots aren't the ones wearing a white sheet, burning crosses, wearing jackboots with "white power" tattooed on their body or even the ones who clutch their purses when one of us gets into an elevator with them. I actually have some respect for them as they are true to their beliefs and make it known. The dangerous ones are they who will swear up and down that they aren’t prejudiced and will even claim familiarity with those of other races but deep in their heart, even unconsciously, feel that people of color adhere to certain stereotypes and therefore are on some level inferior.

Though I don’t fear people like that I do pity them. For they know not what they do.

My_50Cents_Worth: Like me, on occasion the passion comes through on this board. Sometimes it is difficult to get the truth across without risking hurt feelings and unintended offense. I applaud your effort though it may have seemed to have fallen on deaf ears. Good to see you posting again.

Posted by eyfigueroa on July 25, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I apologize. I attributed a quote to suec, but it was actually common_sence who said it. I apologize for any offense that may have been taken.

Posted by RW on July 25, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eyfig,

I agree w/you to a point however people who post here on this forum are damned pissed! They see illegal aliens swarming here as a thundering herd and no one is doing anthing about it! I do not hate anyone.If illegals would simply go through the correct immigration channels..welcome! However what gives them the right to jump in front of the line! Please recognize that frustration is not hate! I will try to be a little bit more composed as long as you understand that there are serious prices to pay if this issue is not settled. Have a great weekend!

Posted by lillycollette on July 25, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eyfigueroa, Amen to that.

Posted by abitskeptical on July 25, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Etfig, you accused me of an ugly pervasive way of thinking I do not have.

I suppose I simply could have said that, but w/ the "passion" you projected I did not imagine a simple statement of such would go very far with you.

So, instead, I committed the grave error of providing specific info about folks w/ whom I've interacted, or those about whom I've been told, who are so different from what is put forth too often on these threads & in the media. It was a way of saying "I'm fully aware generalizations are useless as applied to individuals"

In doing that,I have been further accused of being a racist & a bigot with "deaf ears".

I ask these questions honestly & humbly:

1. Why do you consider it an ethnic slur to make reference(albeit in a joke) to the practice of carrying cargo in a basket on one's head? It is an impressive skill which requires balance & grace. No amount of joking could diminish that. That, truly, is why I considered that particular reference light hearted.

2. Why do you call me a bigot/racist for challenging common stereotypes of a race/ethnic group, & yours of me, by relating my experience & what I know to be true about some members of that race/ethnic group? Was it bigoted of me, in the 1st place, to notice that they are of a race different from my own?

I am unsure of what way would be acceptable to you in which I could impart that I am most aware all Hispanics are not "the same" & so I have no notion that I have them "pegged".

Assuming that all "testimonials" are disingenuously given is as destructive as racism & bigotry.

I do not understand how or why any reasonable person can compare the post I commented on w/ the one made about a child killed by a hit/run driver.. I do not consider common sense's comment harmless or light hearted in any way. It was a tasteless & offensive comment for which there is no justification.

One comment was joking about the race & violent death of an innocent child.

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The comment over which RTC & I have been slammed. This comment joked about a 13 yr old(whom you & others describe as making a strong willed conscious decision to run off with her lover)possibly hiding her 21 yr old 5'"2 companion in a basket on her head.

Imagining that scene caused me to spontaneously chuckle. I sure wish to goodness I had kept that to myself.

Perhaps one day you & 50 cents will be able to see what you have done w/ your assumptions & conclusions.

I do apologize for my verbosity. I never have been accused of bigotry or racism in my entire life.

If I believed that people of "color" are inferior, I would have to believe that about my own children, & clearly I do not. They all are brilliant & beautiful inside and out. Their father has Cherokee blood in his recent ancestry & my children get VERY dark/olive in the summer.

Have a good weekend all.
Yes LC, I wish that for you too...thanks's for the spelling..I did have a brain blip on that

Posted by abitskeptical on July 25, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I wait for the pizza to arrive,

I will address 50 cents' latest comments on my posts:

I have been surrounded, my entire life, by various health professions. It is an environment, way of life, topic of discussion that is familiar to me.

My dad & uncle were physicians, my mom ran a lab, my aunt was a RN. I have a BS in nursing, have practiced nursing & I also have 2 yrs of medical school(before I started having babies).

I have friends who are physicians, nurses, EMTs, respiratory therapists, chiropractors,coroners (one), dentists & dental techs.

I am not impressed by the mere fact that someone is a physician(that in itself doesn't define a person's worth) & I don't expect anyone else to be. I just don't think it is a big deal.

Unless giving medical advice or care, whereupon I consider being a physician a rather important criterion, a person's career or job is not important in the big picture of life .

Except for the circumstances outlined above I don't care whether a person is a physician or a latrine digger.

50 cents, I ask you this: If I'd refered to my husband who teaches, my husband the banker or pharmacist, my husband who digs ditches for a living, the yard service my husband runs or works for, or my husband who is in marketing, would you have chastised me for sharing, or rather "tooting", that information?

Prejudice takes many forms dear. And every one is ugly & destructive.

When my husband comes home after a shift I ask how it went. When he tells me, I listen.

When he asks me about how things went when he was gone, I tell him & he listens.

He shares stories I tell him of things happening here w/ co-workers, just as I have shared things from him in this forum.

I never thought of it as living vicariously through each other. But if you want to call it that, that is your prerogative.

He is what he is. We have been married for 26+ yrs & he has been a physician for 24+yrs.

In my hundreds of comments I doubt I have included that information more than maybe 10 times. If you want to go back & count, to prove me wrong, I'll happily stand corrected.

I'll pass your "Congrats" on to my husband, but I'm sure he'll wonder "for what?"

Posted by willie08 on July 26, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abitskeptical, just because you don't have any personal experiences that relate to a story doesn't mean people like 50 centsworth shouldn't speak of their own experiences.

Why not mention the husband who is this and the child who has a friend who is that? What's so wrong with that?

I agree with 50 cents worth.

Also, I like hispanics, and I thought the basket joke was funny.
It's not a racial joke, and it doesn't make fun of a chld who was just murdered (like the other horrible joke mentioned).

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 28, 2008 at 3:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

“50 cents, I ask you this: If I'd refered to my husband who teaches, my husband the banker or pharmacist, my husband who digs ditches for a living, the yard service my husband runs or works for, or my husband who is in marketing, would you have chastised me for sharing, or rather "tooting", that information?”

Ma’am: You have serious issues and I’m not sure why you vie for my attention, but I will answer your question with a simple, “YES.” It would be tooting especially if/because yours, your husband’s, your family’s and friends’ occupations are absolutely irrelevant to the article….dear. For example, when there are articles about education, fellow poster Early often communicates his experiences being married to teacher, as well as his wife’s experiences as a teacher. He has a tendency to do it when the ARTICLES are relevant to the PROFESSION…and it is perfectly understandable it that context. Had this been an article about ER visits/medical care in the Hispanic community/health care in general, you would have been on point…but you’re not. Also, please look up the word "chastise," I "addressed" you about it ONCE...How many time now have you "addressed" me?

“I am not impressed by the mere fact that someone is a physician(that in itself doesn't define a person's worth) & I don't expect anyone else to be. I just don't think it is a big deal.” Your posts do not reflect those sentiments. You and your personal information are, again, irrelevant to me and do not deflect your initial discriminatory statements.

Finally: I did not ask you to extend my congratulations to your husband; so quite frankly, I do not care what he will say. You view life through his experiences, I do not. Please understand that I have long gotten over your bigotry (which BTW you obviously thought were compliments to Hispanics) and everything you have said in your poor attempt to prove that you are an unbiased and open-minded individual. I thank you for painting a wonderful picture of who you are. It would be fantastic if you can get over yourself and move on from further discussion of this thread. Perhaps in the future there will be something on which we agree.

Respectfully,
My_50Cents_Worth

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on July 28, 2008 at 3:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RW: Our country has been “in bed” with Mexico for the past 7, plus years. Should we expect anything different with the immigration situation? I am certain that you will disagree, but our current president has spent lots of time with Mr. Vicente Fox Quesada over his two terms and if combating the immigration problem was a huge concern; there were/are ample opportunities to ‘git r done.’ What we are seeing now are the results of shady deals made by two leaders. Frustrations are warranted, but should not be misplaced…JMO.

Ey:
Now that I am commenting on occasion, I have pledged to post respectfully, regardless of differences in opinions and regardless the ignorant and immature attempts of others to deflect not being able to make their points by altering names, name calling and the other sophomoric tactics we have been used to seeing. I ask that you please help me to keep my pledge when/if you see me lowering the standards that I have set for my self…even if those who attempt to debate me are a bit weak, a bit self-righteous, a bit biased, or even a bit out of touch.

lillycollette: Your comment made on July 25, 2008 at 3:34 p.m was on point. You were not supposed to be able to see the condescension, only concern. Great to see you posting!

Posted by abitskeptical on August 6, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What does it mean when one is determined to see discrimination,racism,hate in another?

What is seen when one zealously claims prejudice & condescension in others yet says a girl is "the most unreasonable person on earth" when she "`thinks` she’s in love"?

Who believes "raging hormones" in a 13 yr old girl are all but impossible to contain? Sounds like“Well, the girl just can’t help her horny little self.” What an insult to intelligent & disciplined teens ..of either gender.

What is revealed by implying parents are powerless to properly rein in a 13 yr old?(quote: ”There is nothing.. parents could’ve done..”) Sounds like “We’re off the hook." A bad "excuse" for lack of proper parental control.

What does a cavalier view of predatory conduct betray? 50cents said “I am sure..there are some among us who have..in..boyhood or.. manhood gotten some 'girl,'.. to do things..completely against her upbringing or parents’ wishes.” Sounds like ”Boys will be boys” & "I'mma gonna get whatever I can, respect be damned"

Why would one sincerely address an issue by using biting ridicule to enlighten the “blind”? It is interesting that one uses this tactic while accusing another of a "high & mighty" attitude?

Calling ugly allegations & derision passionate expression of “truth” is a dishonest & ‘creative’ characterization. Does “passion” mitigate derogatory labeling of another?

50 cents said “I’m not sure why you vie for my attention”. This is laughably transparent. What an egotistical & pompous notion. Viewing my rebuttal of his contrived malicious claims as vying for his attention shows grand projecting as to who has serious issues & who needs to get over oneself.

50cents also said :”I did not ask you to extend my congratulations to your husband..” after he said “Congrats to HIM.” Go figure.

Perhaps he needs a better dictionary which gives >1 common definition. My use of ‘chastise’ was appropriate according to my grown up dictionary.

I wasn’t aware he was the Grand Oompa of on point posting, nor aware of the strict standards to which he holds ALL posters. He does apply his rules to everyone equally, right?

Perhaps he missed this by RW :”hospitals become overwhelmed by illegals wanting free medical care..Go to..any hospital..All illegal aliens and no one has any intention of paying!”

My post w/ my husband’s experience & where it occurred directly followed the above & was ON POINT to discussion at hand.

Posted by abitskeptical on August 6, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, again I ask, what is wrong w/ my challenging common stereotypes of a race/ethnic group by
relating my experience &/or that of others I know?

50cents' claiming he was ”addressing”, not “chastising”, is as specious & anemic an attempt at disguising
his generous use of derision & cliche assumptions as is claiming use of these tactics is merely a
show of “passion”. What c-rap.

Purposeful distortion of what is said is a common, but dishonest tactic:

I never indicated the reference or joke(basket on head) in question was a “compliment”. I explained why I do not see it as racist or bigoted on my part:

I do not think it a derogatory or demeaning practice. I do not consider this practice indicative of anything but practicality combined with grace & skill. I certainly do not think a person who does this is inferior to me or
anyone else.

Repeatedly accusing me of bigotry will not make it so & it certainly does not bring 50cents or eyfig closer to any truth.

It is convenient, as well as audacious, after repeatedly misjudging another,to tell that person it is time to move from the thread in which erroneous claims have been made. I wonder why those who go on vicious attacks seem to do this so much?

If the above doesn't make folks think about their hypocrisy & quick to judge mentality perhaps the idea of signing off w/ "Respectfully” after using sarcasm,put downs & ugly accusations to “address” another will reveal the utter hypocrisy at play.

I am not holding my breath on that one, but I do hope. I always hope.