Posted by BillytheKid on July 19, 2008 at 2:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The hate that is still shown in South Carolina is so easy to see just by reading post here when an article is written about food stamps or a single mother with 3 children having a hard time. The bigots that post here about someone that they don’t even know, yet they pass judgment need to understand that if there is a God, they are screwed. It is no wonder why we, South Carolina, are so far behind the rest of the USA. We are stupid, we think that the colors of skin make a difference. It might have in 1860 but it is not 1860 anymore and the “leaders” that we have in office will take a few gold coins for their vote and not remember that it was our vote that elected them.
I voted for GWB and I voted for his father. I made a big mistake. He has given us a war that we never should have been in to begin with but I see that South Carolina will elect another ?(someone that will “follow the course”) and I am not ready for any more of that. Who the hell wants more of this bad war? I don’t, they don’t and the world sure does not.
Before you portray me as anything else other than someone that cares about just where we end up look at just what we got into there and how. Oh, by the way, have you checked just how much gas cost along with everything else?
And by the way, I will move when I damn well please.

Posted by 5thGenerationLocal on July 19, 2008 at 4:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

F the NAACP. They are nothing more than domestic terrorists. If you are any kind of local, you would understand that the flag is about heritage. It is not our fault that a group such as the KKK decided to use the same flag as a symbol for their hate. You have to understand that the two do not in any way shape, form or fashion go together.

Posted by ForPnC on July 19, 2008 at 5:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right naacp. It's time for a boycott. I promise not to go into any establishment or hire any business in South Carolina that's run by black people.

Posted by STREETLAW on July 19, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If we might assume that South Carolina is one of the United States of America, then those who died for South Carolina of the Confederacy cannot be properly deemed to have served this State.

I seriously doubt anyone would fly Nazi flags in Germany to honor those who served the National Socialist Party. But it is possible some do privately. In their minds, the Nazi cause still exist, just as the Confederacy seems to exist in the minds of a small group of activist over 140 years after its demise.

The soldier who fought in the Civil War, their children and their grandchildren, for the most part, are dead and gone. There are no "Sons of Confederate Veterans" anymore. And the "Great Great Grandchildren of Confederate Veterans" who would try to dictate the proper place to honor them is to fly a flag on the grounds of a state they did not serve are misguided. Those soldiers served the CSA, and that, as we all know, is gone with the wind.

The Civil War started in South Carolina and this is where it should end. Fly the Confederate Flag on your car antenna if you like. Fly it on your boat, your house, your personal property. Fly it in honor of your ancestors, their sacrifices, their courage. Wear it on you lapel as a symbol of pride, never hate. If there were ever an appropriate place to display it in public it would be in Charleston where the first shots were fired.

Just don't fly it at the Statehouse in Columbia.

Posted by Dodad on July 19, 2008 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem is that the naacp is never satisfied. They wanted it off of the top of the capital and that is what they got. Now they want it off the Memorial, if they get that they will want a law that says you can't fly it anywhere.

Posted by scienceguy on July 19, 2008 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Confederate Memorial is a beautiful and appropriate tribute to South Carolina's fallen soldiers. Conversely, the current placement of the Confederate Flag not only overwhelms and detracts from the beauty of this memorial, but is an in-your-face and petulant act of defiance by a white-contolled Legislature.

Obviously, the NAACP boycott is not working on a large scale. Even members of the NAACP do not honor the boycott. But, because the NCAA honors the boycott, it does have a tremendous economic impact on our State. If you do not believe me, ask yourself why Charleston County is helping fund the renovation of Johnson Hagood rather than spending that money on schools, roads, police protection, and firetrucks.

One last thing, before anyone tells me, "if you don't like the South ...." let me say that my family has been here since the mid 1700's and I like it just fine, thank you. Let me say also that I have lived other places and that I have no qualms embracing ideas that do not originate in the South when those ideas are sound.

Posted by DoaMM on July 19, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I currently work with Blacks, Whites, Asians, Italians and Indians. I once lived in Germany for many years and served my country to my fullest capability right along side most nationalities.

I have come to the conclusion that some of the Black people of this nation are the only ones keeping the "race issue" still alive.

Even in Europe in the mid 90's, Black people from England laughed at the actions of Black Americans, wondering why they were so uptight. I never had a response for them.

You have trash in all nationalities/colors. I feel that Black Americans are fed by the belief that they are owed more and more for the rest of their lives. Truth be told, you have to work for it.

Blacks, you are equal in my eye, just don't show any ignorance by joining in with a group of White hating people (NAACP) to get the job done. Stand up for yourself as I have done my entire life. It's not an issue of a flag, it's an issue of control. If they succeed in getting it removed, they will continue their "march" toward more hatred for anyone who isn't Black.

Posted by lemonhead on July 19, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you are so right DoaMM,I am not from the south but i can see that the blacks here seem to thnk that they are owed something,if they just got off their lazy butts and did something about it instead of whinning,they would accomplish more in their life,as far as NAACP is concerned they keep the fire burning,if they worried more about their own race killing each other off they would get more done,why is it they can have a Negro college fund,but if we had a certain fund its racism??

Posted by eatmorecollards on July 19, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just as the KKK used the Confederate flag to rally southern people to thier cause, the NAACP is using it today to rally people to thier's. A cause which I believe to be self serving. Designed to keep thier coffers filled and live in the past. The NAACP is as antiquated today as the colored bath room. The dream of the great Martin Luther King has been realized when the Sons of Confederate Veterans tell you they are proud to have the Sons of Black Confederate Veterans in thier ranks. The day has come in America when a man is no longer judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his character. The NAACP would better serve mankind today by concentrating more on building character than promoting more hate.

Posted by NativeSon on July 19, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Perhaps this is why certain black people are commiting the majority of crime in this country - they want what they want when they want it! This mentality creates a false belief that they do not need to work for a living, just take what they want. Don't believe me? Just watch the news. at least 90% of people with criminal warrants are black.

Incidently, "I want what I want when I want it" is how a rapist justifies his behavior in his mind. What is the difference between the justification of a rapist, a thief, a drug dealer or a murderer? Not one damn thing! It is all due to self absorbed ideology - the world revolves around "me".

The naacp needs to do some serious introspection and seek therapy for their mental illness.

Posted by Riptide on July 19, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If someone’s interest is served by a paycheck, a grant, a program to be administered, a shake down of a corporation or an issue like this flag, then the NAACP will never go away. If the NAACP directed their energy towards the problems of the black community, they run the risk of becoming irrelevant. For the power and careers of the people in the NAACP to have any kind of future it must have a base of support. Their existence depends on poverty and keeping their people down and out. That’s why they will never deal with the problems in the black community.

Posted by 3olivesmike on July 19, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And this Post and Courier "reporter" keeps fanning the flames. Nice job Wenger. Hope you're really proud.

Posted by teeitup on July 19, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes JohnQ, I hope you have yourself included in your good riddance to the ignorant racist bastards, may they rot in hell.

You are one ignorant racist bastard, and I say that because Your parents were not likely married.

Posted by Paul on July 19, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Get over it and grow up. It is not a National flag nor a State flag. It simply represents a time past for a select few. Put it where it belongs, at a Memorial for a War fought in a time long, long, ago ... off Federal and State property!

Posted by watchdog on July 19, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW<Billy the Kid and Johnq2 make sence. There is hope in this stupid state. Lets move into the 21 st. century, we have more important issues. Like our schools etc. Take that rag down, its killing my state, I want to head forward.

Posted by stephaniem on July 19, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This flag represents treason to the US. The war is over. Some rednecks still use the n word on all blacks....the same ones call jews "christ killers" and homosexuals f*gs. Although I love dating italian/jewish looking guys but one of my relative loves black men. If she was to have a child, I would get it out of SC. I meet a lot of white trailer trash and I know of many blacks who own suits and act professional.

statistics done by census states that more whites are on welfare than blacks. Why is the stereotype of a welfare person still a black woman with several kids? Most black women I know own 2 or 3. I do know of several white and latin women with more than that. I know of more whites who use the n word constantly or won't vote for obama b/c he is black than vs blacks who refuse to vote or call all whites crackers etc. As for Obama's pastor, Pat Robinson stated that the US deserved to be bombed for giving equal rights to gay and keeping abortion legal.

Posted by watchdog on July 19, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where have you been - stephaniem, billthekid,johnq2, I didn't know we had brain power here. Thank You, Keep Posting.

Posted by DoaMM on July 19, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lemonhead,

It's been a while since I've heard about them, and I wonder if they are still around, but there was a White counterpart to the NAACP in Washington (and no, it wasn't the KKK). They were never televised because they were labeled by the liberal media as "racist". The fact is, they had the same credentials and business practices of the NAACP, only for Whites.

Once again, it's not about a flag. We've had that flag for how long? Are Blacks still in chains and working plantations? Are they still forced to sit in the back of the bus? Drink from a separate water fountain? The answer is no...

Most of the Blacks today know NOTHING of slavery. Talk to someone who does, and you'll find a very reserved human being who's simply happy with their freedom. Just because you're poor and live in the ghetto (next to all other races as well, INCLUDING Whites), doesn't mean that you are in, or ever will know, slavery.

Once again, let everyone (all races) and everything (including the flag) be, get over yourself, and make something of your life . The NAACP DOES NOT care about you as an individual. They'd like you to believe that, but they don't. Oh, and neither does any other big Government run/supported organization.

It's up to you, and you alone in this world. Deal with it.

Posted by Capital1 on July 19, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a descendant of Confederate soldiers. Their graves are in our family cemetery. I therefore feel the Confederate battle flag is appropriately placed by the Confederate soldier's monument, although it actually is behind it. The problem is that the monument should be moved. It blocks the view of the State House from the north. The monument should be placed front of the Daughters of the Confederacy monument on the south side of the Capitol.

Posted by shoelaces on July 19, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the most racist people I have every come into contact with were not white.

Done with this. Leave it alone and let's not feed the NAACP trolls.

Posted by seneca264 on July 19, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a shame that so many blacks are racist. You notice how Jesse Jackson can use the "N" word and the socialist government controlled media gives him a free pass. Don't you folks see the outright hypocrisy being levied about by the racist blacks in this country? I think it is time to boycott businesses that are owned by blacks. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. No problem with Hollywood not filming here. Other than caterers and restaurants downtown, does Hollywood put any money in your pocket? I didn't think so. Keep the flag proudly flying right were it is.

Posted by watchdog on July 19, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its a state building, and it represents all the people, move it off the Capital grounds.

Posted by cricket420 on July 19, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NAACP doesn't that stand for National Association of Always Complaining People?

Posted by Follymom06 on July 19, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Leave it to the liberals to use this story as an opportunity to spew their rhetoric about the war, oil prices, and our President (I am specifically referring to Billythekid trying to start a new thread here.)

Perhaps the Confederate flag flying in front of our statehouse is also to blame for global warming?

Posted by drp7773 on July 19, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What Saturday for the P&C is blacks reporting day to hate 2 flag stories then to make us feel more guilty a soldier story of all black folk. Lets see boycott, Less traffic, less thugs (ncaa boycott)and this is bad how???? I say all black business owners who support this should walk the walk and post a sign at the door of their business stating they do not want white people's money because they are boycotting (yeah right like this will happen)no they will spew this boycott crap while they are running to the bank. Folks it's time to find out all businesses that are black owned and lets boycott these places. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. We can start small, the big flea market downtown would be a good start real easy to see which stand is black owned and since they live off tourist dollars well you know they can just thank the naacp.

Posted by Reader on July 19, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stephaniem wrote, "Some rednecks still use the n word on all blacks."

Like Jesse Jackson.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The NAACP is irrelevant in its current form and needs to change or disband. A number of comments by black posters have said the same in the past.
The flag is a non-issue. The black community has some serious problems and needs help, and I am not talking about whining for more gov. help, but for these leaders to roll up their sleeves and get down in the trenches and work on the hard issues.

Posted by drp7773 on July 19, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good point Reader.........lol

Posted by moonpie on July 19, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen Tripsa,
People like liberal "JohnQuless" and "Beingakid" just either are too young to remember or to stupid and afraid to admit it's there own bigotted party of democrats that put the flag on top of the state house after all. The democratic party today is not the party of years past friends!
If desiring that all people work for a living and pay their own way, not having babies that are rasied in public housing to be seen in their teen years on channel 5 going to prison or yet dead, then label me.

Posted by CaptPete on July 19, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish they would boycott. Many folks came to town just because of it last time.

Posted by oldglory on July 19, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by scienceguy on July 19, 2008 at 6:47 a.m.
". . . but is an in-your-face and petulant act of defiance by a white-contolled Legislature."

I think SG is right - it was/is a defiant act on the legislators' part. How dare they?

Education. Education. Education. Education.
Only through education can these ills be cured. Only through education will poor people get out of their ghettos. Only through education will the bigots cease to exist. Only through education will the bigotry be taken out of the legislature.

No, I'm not a teacher, just old and observant.

Posted by ed52 on July 19, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i am in favor of the boycott. next memorial day take your black biker fest to another state. crime fest is the new name for it.

Posted by Dis on July 19, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I find it interesting that many here see the NAACP as "powerless", and refuse to see the writing on the wall.

As Scienceguy stated, "But, because the NCAA honors the boycott, it does have a tremendous economic impact on our State." This is a multi-million dollar loss to SC every time the NCAA considers sites for their athletic events, and immediately omits SC from consideration. I wonder how many small businesses have lost money, or have closed due to this impact. I wonder how much tax revenue have been lost due to this.

Now the NAACP have the movie industry in their sites, and possibly other industries that make products in SC. The "toothless tiger" seems to have had some dental work done. Maybe this organization is more sophisticated than many of you realize.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out-I am not a huge fan of the NAACP, but my money is on them winning this long-term battle (removing the flag from government property). Time will tell.

Posted by ed52 on July 19, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

naacp, i would be more concerned the " we hate white america" sermons that are prevalent in black churches. but then again, that seems too be what you are all about.
the monument's location is part of legislative deal to get the flag off of the dome . its part of history , just like the mlk monument. to remove one you must remove the other . they both show an ugly past, yet give great hope for the future.
please take your racial bigotry somewhere else.

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on JohnQ and Billy The Kid.
You should daily log on to democracynow.org
I use it as my source of good news on a daily basis.

The Nazi flag is a good example. Many people died under it, should their cemeteries have it standing?
My grandparents fought in the Warsaw Uprising against the Nazis. The fought to PROTECT their land against those who invaded it. That is the same thing the Confederates were doing.

So.........

I believe one should only kill in defense. If you are on the offense (as our country clearly is in the Iraq war) that changes things. The confederates may have lost the war, but they were DEFENDING their land, just like my grandparents were.

Just a little food for thought...

Posted by DoniaDutchess on July 19, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

South Carolina has bigger fish to fry other than where a flag flies. When we've successfully solved the problems within this state (starting with failing schools), we can nitpick all day long. This story is old news.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

will
Next to last sentence is a little weak - who fired the first shot.
I would not compare the Nazi flag to the Stars and Bars - ie. 6,000,000 Jews.
My ancestors are also from Poland and I am sure some of my kin died during this terrible war.

Posted by Truth2008 on July 19, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Extra EXtra Read All About it: Wanna know the truth about the flag read gods word in the book of Isaiah in chapter 8:11-15 then think about your comments and then do self inventory and seewhat you come up with.

Posted by localboy on July 19, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Treason you say?

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The men who wrote and supported this were treasonous as well.

How many men who fought against the US between 1861 and 1865 were tried for treason by the US government?
Calling it treason is proof of the ignorance of your American history. Try and pick up a book to read instead of spending your time posting - you'll be amazed what you can learn.

Have you ever heard of Roger Taney?

How about the writ of habeas corpus (ex parte Merryman to be specific)?

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

Posted by UrGatorbait on July 19, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

More NAACP non-sense. Distracting tactic IMO. They don't tackle the hard issues of the black community.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Truth
I looked It up in King J. & New International. King uses the word "confederacy" and New does not. The Bible is not one of my strong suits - tell us your meaning.

Posted by Roger1978 on July 19, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think its just great the NAACP hasn't held their conventions here in the state since this whole boycott thing began. What a relief!

Posted by scienceguy on July 19, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For all those of you want to debate the causes of the Civil War check out http://history.furman.edu/benson/alpha/w....

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Neponset, this war we are in has many different sides.
If we are to blame Iraq for 911, we better have some pretty good evidence to back up before we go invade their country.
Bush himself said that the Iraq war had nothing to do with 911. I can find you that speech where he said that.
He said our reason for going in were to find weapons of mass destruction and because Iraq harbored terrorist groups.
So far, his evidence is lacking.
Yes, Hussein was a very evil man. However, our founding fathers warned us of the damage we can do to our country if we get too involved in other countries' affairs.

There will be an open discussion as to the reasons for going into this war, and whether Bush has deceived our nation. Hopefully, the truth will be revealed.
If there is sufficient support, impeachment may be put "on the table."

My source of news, as I stated earlier is democracynow.org. You may disagree with me all you want, but I believe in justice and our constitution.
Justice, as Conyers stated earlier this week, means listening to all sides and examining evidence.
I trust Conyers to be a just man, and I'm confident he will do what is best for this country. If Bush did in fact take us into war based on lies, he should be punished in the fullest extent of the law, president or no president.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

scien..
Thanks for the link, but I for one don't want to debate, I want the NAACP to step up to the plate and help their people with their own sweat and tears. The Flag is a non-issue.

Posted by drp7773 on July 19, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Democracynow is a far left website, very little truth and a whole lot of spin. I am a independent I vote for issue and the person running , I do not pull the straight ticket just because a website tells lies and spin. You can vote for a republican senator that you feel will do a good job and vote for a democrat congressman that you think will do better then the republican running it's called ballance. This site refuses to beleive that and to live your life so blindly to beleive one party or in this case a onesided website is the way to go then how shallow and blind your life will be.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

will
Lets stay on topic.
I am familar with the advice to stay out of foreign wars, but the world has gotten a lot smaller and at times one needs to be proactive. I will not depend on what the Dems. have to say - tune in Fox once in a while. Sometimes leaders make mistakes - history will answer the questions, but not for a while.

Posted by stonehead on July 19, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa writes –

>> It was republicans that passed the civil rights act of 1964 AGAINST the out cries of the democrats.

This is a lie. Here was how they voted by party and region.

The original House version:
 Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
 Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
 Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
 Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
 Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
 Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
 Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
 Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

Clearly, it was the bipartisan act of the Northerners against the “outcries” of the Southerners. I imagine if you were a politician then, you would be one of the "Southern Republicans"? It's thief stealing nobility trying to claim credits for the Civil Right Act to your likeness.

>> Ernest Frederick "Fritz" Hollings
>> "Governor of South Carolina
>> During his governorship (1959-1963), he signed legislation ordering the Confederate Flag to be raised over the >> state capital to commemorate the 100th anniversary of South Carolina's secession from the union,
>> and to protest the growing civil rights movement."

Thanks for this piece of information. So the flag is not about “our heritage”, but it is to “protest the civil rights movement”. The true meaning of flying the flag on the state ground, is about “power” and “rights”, more specifically the “power” and “rights” of the master race in this state, isn’t it?

I wish the flag supporters can at least be honest to make it clear that you want the flag on the state ground because it symbolizes the GREAT SOUTERN WHITE POWER.

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

neponset?
Fox? Talk about one sided. Perhaps the worse source of information available.

drp7773, I agree we shouldn't stick to just one party.
The democrats are also responsible for this war and our poor economy. It started with the Clinton administration, who I despise almost as much as the Bush Administration. This isn't a Democrat/Republican issue.

Back on topic, I made a point that those who die defending their land should have a right to have their flag on their graves. They died for a cause, they died under that flag.

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stonehead, good point.
However the flag does not represent that.
I am not a southerner, but I believe to many southerners it represents their heritage.
Don't listen to Tripsa, he is a mean and bitter old man who is very close minded. He expects everyone to read all his research, which never even proves what he says, and he doesn't read what others write at all.

Posted by hairy1663 on July 19, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stephaniem, "statistics done by census states that more whites are on welfare than blacks. Why is the stereotype of a welfare person still a black woman with several kids?"

Because those figures are not per capita for the entire US. Those figures are only of welfare recipients.

Percentage of White Americans on Welfare = 38.8%
Percentage of Black Americans on Welfare = 37.2%.

Population of whites in the US 221,331,507
Population of blacks in the US 37,051,483

Now you do the math.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

will
They at least try to be balanced.
I like the panel, which even includes a lady from NPR, that come on about 6:45. I think you are a little bit caught up in this "right wing consp." nonsence.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

About a year or so ago, the NAACP brought in a new CEO or what ever his position is called, and he didn't last very long - he wanted change to make this group current and got no support from the rather large and cumbersome board. Do these board members work for free, a modest sum or big bucks?

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neponset, perhaps I am.
But when someone repeatedly attacks our president, I want to get to the bottom of it. I think everyone should.
Especially if we are at war and people are dying.
The victims of this war (American and non American) deserve that. They deserve investigations.
It's not about being Republican or Democrat, Christian or Muslim. It's about defending our constitution, which is the law of our land, and was written to protect us from Tyrants.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 19, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

willie08 - I have to clue you in here.You said Fox was one sided.That is absolutely stupid.They constantly have both points of view.I have known too many people to list here(very closely) that have fought in Iraq and other surrounding areas.Every single one of them(liberals,plain democrats,republicans and completely uninterested in politics folks)has told me that if you want a real idea of whats really going on over there to watch Fox News.From the very beginning of the war up until right this moment.Far left liberal whackos hate Fox because they'd much rather watch the liberal mainstream media that fuels the fire of their on sided ignorance.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sorry for commenting off topic, lets get back to our debate about the Flag and the NAACP.

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa, you tell people they're stupid all the time.
Do i need to spend 1 hour of my time going through your hundreds of posts to prove that?

I did that on person to challenge cold beer. He fell right into my trap too.

Posted by seneca264 on July 19, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now if we can only get Jesse Jackson to stop using the "N" word. Damn, blacks are nothing but hypocrites that want an excuse to bellyache instead of addressing their real problems. Maybe the NAACP could look into the high violent crime rate, the rampant drug use and dealing, and the disgraceful drop-out rate. Looks to me that the NAACP has someting better to do instead of promoting racist agendas in South Carolina.

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a liberal, and I'm not a racist.
I wish people would stop saying Liberals are this, Blacks are that, Democrats are this. If I am guilty of speaking this way, I apologize. We shouldn't generalize this way, it's ignorant.
One bad apple shouldn't spoil the bunch.

Oh, and if you all need me too, I will be happy to support my statement saying Fox news is bad news.

Posted by localboy on July 19, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I had forgotten about that collection sciguy - http://history.furman.edu/benson/alpha/w... - but many here should take the time to read the documents there and make an attempt to understand the concepts of the time without the mirror being clouded by modern politics.
Start with Calhoun's speech; Read the Postmaster General's word's and then Seward's (read the whole thing and see how wrong he was).

If you need another picture look for a copy of "A Youth's history of the Great Civil War" by R G Horton published in NY in 1867. A great period view of the previous 10 years of these United States.

Look for Hinton Helper's words on slavery and put yourself in the shoes of a Southern Planter and of a Southern Yeoman farmer.

Basically, put thought into your words and not just emotion!

Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa, You're a name caller, and a very angry bitter person too.
Stupid - Idiot, who cares.

This is my last post for you. You have ruined this thread, as you usually do, with insignificant comments

TRIPSA SAYS......................

I have news for you little_willie, many agree with me and many are not so braindead as you.

liberals are the true racists. especially those that hide behind a race baiting NAACP.

they are after all "skulls full of mush"

jane, he doesnt, he is a utopia seeking dead head.

The urine is splashing around in your head. I thought you might be able to debate this with a rational understanding of the truth.

How old are you 20? Ever study history?

Execute all drug dealers in the public square on the last Saturday of each month, seel tickets and beer, use the proceeds to open up Rehabs.
(not name calling, but such a stupid comment, I had to throw it in)

dont feed the troll, please.

Your an idiot.

sometime the name calling starts, I have called a few libs idiots many a time. But, I dont want them to stop participating.

AND THIS IS JUST IN THE PAST 2 DAYS!!!!

WHAT A SAD SAD SAAAADD PERSON YOU ARE TRIPSA!!

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

will
I guess it is not generalizing to say Fox is bad new, but maybe you right - its bad news for folks like who wish to live in a world of carefully controlled/screened news. I was going to use the word that starts coc.. and is the silk container form which butterflies emerge but it was not allowed by the P&C word police.

Posted by stonehead on July 19, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa writes -

>>stonehead, you left out a few important details;

>>without the support of the republicans, the bill would hae never made it.

No doubt, like I said it was truly a bipartisan act. Some members from both parties, as well as President J. Kennedy, L. Johnson all played key roles in the process. I gave enough detail to show that it is simply wrong to give credit all to one party or the other.

>>Democrats were for enslaving blacks then and the have enlsave them now through the welfare state. After all, >>they need their democrat base....the poor black vote.
>>As for the flag, that is exactly right, it was placed there by a racist democrat and I dont care if it stays or goes. My >>point was simple.

I don’t judge people by their labels – “democrat” or “republican”. I judge them by their principles and actions. Politicians can change their affiliation from one party to another in a heartbeat if it helps them to win elections. The fact was that in 1964, Southern politicians – democrats or republicans, were almost all against the Civil Right Act. I don’t think the history of the flag would have been any different, had the SC governor and legislature called themselves “Republicans” back then.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa, have you taken your medication today?
Please take my advice, don't mix it with alcohol.
You must be foaming at the mouth right about now.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stonehead,
very well stated.

Posted by SCPDBLUE on July 19, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beleave it or not I agree with Thomas1776

"The SC State Chapter of the NAACP has become a menace to society and should be deemed a terrorist organization. They have no sympathy even for children who can be affected by their spiteful acts of racism. I bet they watch YouTube videos of Obama's mentor and pastor saying "God Damm America" and clap and cheer while they do!"

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is funny how none of you conservatives ever comment that it is weird or obsessive that tripsa spend about 70 hours a week spewing his political nonsense (really tripsa you need to get a life)?
It's funny that how you conservatives rarely call out blatant racist comments made on this sight on a regular basis?

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also Fox news is about as fair and balanced as RW is a reason based thinker.

Posted by stephaniem on July 19, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hairy1663, your statistics on white population has to be wrong. When I go to the mall, concerts or even downtown....I see lots of different people. Who gets counted as white?
jewish, asian, native americans, italians, latinos who look white

granted, the blacks have different hair texture and their offspring looks black except for nicole ritchie who could pass for white but I am questioning the population statistcs

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Perhaps you lefties would be more comfortable working the boards of the NY Times. You wouldn't get frustrated with the like of us - you know - birds of a feather can flock together.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RW, the truth? the comment about you being a reasonable thinker is one of the biggest lies I heard all day.

Posted by Neponset on July 19, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guide..
"spends about 70 hr. wk."
"get a life"
I see this a lot and perhaps you might direct at me similar comments.
This board has people from all walks of life, left and right. Some retired with lots of time, some who post at work, and some who work but can't post during the day. Who cares how much time someone spends blogging, so long as they are civil and their comments are reasonably intellegent.
What I don't like are ringers and trolls.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa,
I think you need to go seek some professional help.
You are delusional.
Go out and get some fresh air and sober up a little.
Seriously, are you on any kind of medication?
I bet you're slobering all over your keyboard.
Careful not to spill that drink!

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your right (yes, I am not afraid to admit it when I am wrong) and I owe you an apology, I will try to refrain from making generalizing as such. That being said, many comments on this board are racist in nature, and that MOST (but not all) conservative either agree or at least don't comment that they are wrong in making such statements. In fact when a person steps up to the plate and call them out on it, they are the ones that are negatively blasted with vitriols.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa has a database of all the posts posted all day, everyday, on every article for the past year.

THERE IS A LITTLE THING CALLED OCD.
My friend has it, do you want me to tell you about it Tripsa?
It's interesting how he reacts to alcohol. He stays away from it. He is also on a lot of medication. Of course, difference is he has friends. Poor Tripsa, so lonely. Didn't you say you were divorced? Alcohol usually comes in the way of a relationship. I hope you weren't beating you woman. Alcohol usually leads to violence, especially if it's mixed with heavy medication.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as your OCD, I actually think you need help. Yet, you are free to post as much as like.
But, many of us that read your post, you come across as an obsessed ranting loony, just an observation, and all of the time that you spend on this blog doesn't appear to me as mentally healthy.
That alone, would throw a red light for anyone to take your arguments seriously.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You went to see a movie tripsa?
I am proud of you! You actually left the house! I know that they are small steps, but then again they are steps.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How rude of me, how was the movie?

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa, you are a trip.
It's so easy to make your blood boil.

I sing that song all the time actually. John Lennon was a wonderful musician and a strong advocate for peace.

You should watch the documentary, "Who Killed John Lennon"
Just like most notable peace activists, he was murdered.
Of course, only making him a martyr to his cause.

Just to piss you off, I'm going to post the real worlds to his song. They are so beautiful...

"Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one"
-John Lennon

Posted by Riptide on July 19, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a ex-kool-aid drinker and a recovering liberal who has been clean and sober of leftist non sense for over 20 years I can honestly say: Free at last, free at last, thank god almighty I’m free at last!

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 19, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you want to post numbers, you should show the average post you have had in the last ten days?

By the way I am glad you enjoyed the movie, I am looking foward to it myself.

Anyhoo it's my day off, so I am heading to the pool and having some beers.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is that what your database says Tripsa?
I'm sure at least 75% of my comments are intended for you.
You just keep hijacking all the threads with your stupidity.

Posted by hairy1663 on July 19, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stephaniem, Here are updated figures from the 2006 US census report.

White 239,746,254
Hispanic or Latino 44,321,038
Black or African American 38,342,549
American Indian and Alaska Native 2,902,851
Asian 13,159,343
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 528,818
Two or more races 4,718,669

Using those figures there are 4 to 5 times more Black Americans on Welfare than White.

I'm not trying to insinuate or start anything I'm merely keeping it real.

Posted by mrsmomofthree on July 19, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep the flag. It is history not hate. We need to teach that. These posts are another example of why are children are so confused. I teach and try to give them all sides. I want them to make choices for themselves. The Confederate flag does not mean I hate blacks. I love the south and the history behind it. There is good and bad. We have to live with that and learn from it. Move on and fix our schools leave the flag alone.

Posted by carolinamommyof4 on July 19, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, honestly, if the NAACP didn't boycott and bully and protest every time they wanted something, I would be more likely to actually listen to them. Had they gone about this in a different way, then I would really not mind another resolution.

BUT
considering the "you owe me" mentality they have, I am more likely to put myself in defense mode.

Just like when my kids come to me with an attitude and say "give me this", I say "uh, no...you go check your attitude at the door, lets put ourselves on the same playing field, and come back and talk to me later."

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let us not forget all the time tripsa spends googling every issue, or looking through people's profiles for comments to repost...

Don't start something you can't finish Tripsa

Posted by Rocks66 on July 19, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We-uns is shonuff glad you folks "from off" has cum down heer to teach us rubes howin to be po-lit-ekly correk. Don't no how wees cervived all this time without y'all's hep'in us-ens. Onlee, culd y'all do us a faver? Spare us the lectures on moral rectitude, and drop the "racist" epithet. We're not the least interested in your views on the former, and the "r-word" has been invoked so many times in the last sixty years that it has no impact anymore. The people of this area have held the values we have today since Fort Sumter was fired upon in 1861. We are the only region of the country that has retained its identity, precisely because we've refused to cave to the assaults of the media and those who see "racism" under every rock. Do you seriously believe that being vilified by the MSM or admonished by a bunch of tea-sippers and Rust Belt expatriates is going to change us? If you do, then you are either incredibly naive or severely delusional.

By the way, the placement of the flag ceased to be an issue with rank-and-file South Carolians, black and white, a couple of years ago. Resurrecting the controversy is merely a feeble attempt by the NAACP to give the organization some semblance of relevancy at a time when, thanks to the arrival of LULAC and a burgeoning population of Hispanics, its sphere of influence continues to wane.

I'm not sure what you expected to find when you arrived here. And I'm not suggesting that you leave. But if you ever decide to move back to the land of strip malls, brutal winters, closed factories and the "look out for number one" style of civility, I will certainly help you pack.

Posted by madd_dog2020 on July 19, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This state never wants to move out of the past. Remember, SC was the state that kept a Senator in office until he was almost dead; this same Senator who I might add father a BLACK child, but was critical of black cause, was for segregation and ran on that platform for President. Most of the SOC ancestors voted for this man, and the Confederate flag was part of that platform. Every time a black person or group seeks justice, they are label as agitators or hateful individuals who can and will not let the past go. Ok, tell the Jews to not remember their situation, tell the families of the 911 victim not to remember their relatives’ on Sept 11 of every year. All BIGOT's need to be exterminated like the rats and pest they are; they all have secrets.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 19, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Qoute from farfallaspeaks:"...my hard working, well paid, pot smoking-architect husband who may have designed the roof that's hanging over your head.Actually, my weed most like this time came from a North Charleston cop who confiscated it from someone."
Wow.Are you kidding me?On the first part,big fn deal.What a fabulous roof architect.Ha.On the second part...If you and your husband are so well paid why do you get your weed from a crooked cop who steals it?And I'm sure your dirty cop friend would just LOVE to know you narc him out on a PUBLIC forum like this.You're a real fn Einstein.

Posted by I_Love_d_Peninsula on July 19, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This was printed in the Times and Democrat on Wednesday.
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Sons of Confederate Vets fight NAACP with flags
By The Associated PressWednesday, July 16, 2008
15 comment(s) | Default | Large

COLUMBIA, S.C. - The Sons of Confederate Veterans say they’ll raise the Confederate flag across South Carolina in response to the NAACP’s new push to remove the banner from the Statehouse grounds.

Confederate Veterans spokesman Don Gordon says his group is negotiating with a landowner to put a large flag atop a pole along a Midlands interstate highway. He would not give details.

He says the group hopes to add other large flagpoles to interstates across the state so drivers will “know they’re in the South.”

South Carolina NAACP President Lonnie Randolph says he doesn’t mind the effort and encourages the group to put up the flags so everyone will know where its members stand.

The NAACP announced at its convention this week a renewed boycott and effort to bring down the Confederate flag that was moved to a capitol monument after a deal brought it down from the building’s dome in 2000.
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Why is he saying that his group isn't going to respond, when it is apparent they already have?

Posted by trod1 on July 19, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The NAACP will continue to find things to rally against.if they don't they have no reason to exist no jobs equal no pay.they should also fight against affirmative action.isnt that a slap in the face to black people in general its like saying your not really smart enough to do this but well let you do it anyway.it sort of makes the hard working highly skilled and educated black people less credible .theres always going to be that association with affirmative action.plus its reverse discrimination.to be quiet honest i work with a multitude of ethnicities.i could are less what color you are long as you do your job.the naacp is as racist as the kkk till we get rid of all race based organizations we will continue to be split apart by our skin color.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 19, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

coolbeans
I was being very sarcastic when i said that. tripsa takes bits and pieces of peoples comments and posts them so they make absolutely NO SENSE.

To get a better idea of the conversation, you can do what he does, and spend hours going through people's threads and posts. I'm not going to explain myself to you right now.

peace out

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 19, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You don't have to explain yourself to me at all at any time. You and your crooked cop friend may have some explaining to do one day-but not to me.I could care less.I just thought it was a little brazen to out your supplier online,especially a cop.

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought this was interesting, I found the following in full context.
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farfallaspeaks

Posted on July 16 at 8:57 a.m.

"tripsa,
Why do you find it so hard to believe that someone can smoke weed every day, and run their own business from home (legally). While you're probably suffering from a hangover this morning, I'm perfectly fine getting up at the butt crack of dawn and getting back to work, taking care of my child, my household, and fixing breakfast for my hard working, well paid, pot smoking-architect husband who may have designed the roof that's hanging over your head.

You are super ignorant when it comes to the matter of cannabis. I suggest you go do some research and get back to me. Prohibition STARTED organized crime. Again, go read something. I don't buy my weed from organized crime, and I don't grow it myself, that WOULD be stupid.
Actually, my weed most like this time came from a North Charleston cop who confiscated it from someone."

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There is a lot of pro pot posts by this person.
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On Sentencing near for teens in store robbery

Posted on July 13 at 10:06 a.m.

"It's hard to have respect for the laws and those who enforce them, when nobody will let me smoke my herbs in peace.
Nobody has ever committed violence under the influence of marijuana.
So why can't I go out on the streets and smoke a joint while I look at art and drink my wine?
WHY is it illegal again?
I mean, I've been smoking herb all day every day for the past 20 years, and I'm still not addicted, and right now, I'm out, and I'm perfectly fine.
If they want us to respect the law, they should make the laws make sense."

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyway, on the subject at hand, the NAACP needs to go away. I think they are all about trying to keep themselves in the news and raise funds. They could careless about the misery the very people they claim to want to help, are living in. Drug killings, robbery, and all black on black.

its a shame all they care about is a flag, that has no direct effect on blacks what so ever.

Posted by rebel1 on July 19, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If anyone thinks the war between the states was fought over slavery, they are fools. If it was fought over slavery and lincoln was the norths savior why did he wait 2 years to "so call free them". Ever heard of the tariff act of 1860? That was the straw that broke the camels back.

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." Abraham Lincoln Source: August 22, 1862 - Letter to Horace Greeley.

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.classicallibrary.org/lincoln/...

Posted by tcm3412 on July 19, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The SC State Chapter of the KKK has become a menace to society and should be deemed a terrorist organization. They have no sympathy even for children who can be affected by their spiteful acts of racism. I bet they watch YouTube videos of McClain"s mentor and pastor saying "God Damm America" and clap and cheer while they do!

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wasnt that Obama's pastor and mentor? lol, or was that your point?

Posted by UrGatorbait on July 19, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is this the tripsa board? Don't worry willie and stone, tripsa doesn't have an arguement just bullying and name calling are his specialty. A rather boorish individual with tunnel vision.

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like the tripsta guy just gets everyone that cant stand simple truth all worked up. and i even agreed with you gator on some other post.

i have yet to see anyone disprove tripstas arguements or posts.

and i dont even agree with all of his/hers.

gaitorbait is usually just decaying and rotten flesh.

somebody post something that is relevant to this topic. because the way I see it, tripster and those opposed to the NAACP have on this one.

Posted by Brutus1 on July 19, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe some of ya has been smoking dope!!!!!

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

using a tripster trick

didnt you post this gatorbait;
Posted on July 19 at 11:07 a.m.

More NAACP non-sense. Distracting tactic IMO. They don't tackle the hard issues of the black community.

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and i think i agreed with you on this
Posted on July 19 at 10:44 a.m.

It's a non-issue. The NAACP is nothing but a bunch of blowhard has beens. They are trying to move the goal post on this issue because they are just about a non-entity in tackling real issues of the black community.

Posted on July 15 at 10:11 a.m.

The NAACP moving the goal posts again. They should be doing real things to help for the advancement of colored people not harping about an outdated symbol of hate. Some call it heritage but it sure isn't my southern heritage. The south lost get over it and move on.

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how do you differ then the tripster on this issue?

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cool, found this too...
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Posted on July 14 at 12:04 p.m.

UrGatorbait- "LMAO at Stewarts posts"
Posted by UrGatorbait on July 14, 2008 at 11:09 a.m.
"Mouth do you have anything else to add to tripsa's comments besides an LOL? He needs help. When you can't refute the facts or post an LOL works wonders for some."

I guess LMAO works wonders too.
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seems like this guy tripsta has ya'lls number.

Posted by EvilGenius on July 19, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no problem dude, thanks for showing me how you take their own words and use em against em.

btw, still dont agree with you on the bible / christian thing from the gay SC ad article

Posted by dixiegrl98 on July 21, 2008 at 1:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember well when the flag was taken down,an old black man on tv that lives in chas.,he had a flag on his wall that was draped over the casket of his great great grandfathers coffin,it was a confederate flag....black people have conveniently forgotten that there were black people who fought for the south as well & that the war was also because we wanted to have our own separate government.there was also a man at the rally's at the state house who came all the way across the country to support it staying ON the state house,he too was black.It's not about the kkk,it's not just white peoples history,it involved us all.you don't see native americans causing a fuss after the way they were treated,they try to live with more dignity,some people could learn somthing from that.

Posted by DixieCol on July 21, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a retired Army officer, SCV member, and descendant of James B. and William A. Dotterer of Charleston, both of whom gave their lives in 1864 while serving with the Confederate Army in defense of their liberties, as well as their home and family, I am honored that the State Legislature has decided to protect the memory of my ancestors by placing a replica of the battleflag under which they both served and gave their lives on the soldiers' memorial on the Capitol grounds.

This soldiers' memorial was erected over 100 years ago with funds provided by the women of South Carolina, raised through such means as bake sales, to commemorate the sacrifices of the men of South Carolina during the War Between The States. This constant complaining by the NAACP is nothing more than mean-spirited bigotry directed against the ancestors of many of us here in South Carolina. The NAACP has even refused to acknowledge the sacrifices of black South Carolinians who fought alongside their white comrades in defense of their State and homes.

The NAACP claims the Confederate flag is "in a position of sovereignty." That statement is a bald-faced lie! It is in no more a "position of sovereignty" than are the many MIA flags, Gamecock flags, Marine Corps flags, and many other flags that are flown everyday on the same pole beneath the U.S. flag and the State flag. Even having the Confederate flag atop the Capitol beneath the U.S. and State flag as it was originally did not place it "in a position of sovereignty."

The NAACP needs to cease this divisive, bigoted assault on the heritage of many of South Carolina's citizens of all races, and get back to trying to do something positive for black society that will ACTUALLY provide "advancement of Colored People" as their name implies but their present day action belies.

Posted by sc294 on July 22, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Off the direct subject, but has anyone read all of the Lincoln-Douglas debates? May alter your historical understanding of the times.