Gay pride group to pay for S.C. ad campaign
COLUMBIA — A gay pride organization said Thursday it plans to raise $5,000 to pay for an advertising campaign that proclaimed "South Carolina is so gay" after the state refused to pick up the tab.
SC Pride Movement President Ryan Wilson said his group wants to restore the state's good name after the Parks, Recreation and Tourism Department refused to pay. The state was one of a half-dozen highlighted in the London-based ad campaign aimed at gay travelers.
Joel Sawyer, press secretary for Gov. Mark Sanford, said tax dollars should not be used for ads "that promote any group with a particular social or political agenda." An unidentified state tourism employee resigned this week after the outcry.
"The reason they shouldn't get paid is that a PRT employee OK'd it when they shouldn't have," Sawyer said.
Wilson said the organization hopes to pay the bill before September, when thousands of gays and lesbians gather for the annual state pride rally.
"South Carolina has sent a message to the world, that a signed contract from any state agency could be nullified if someone says, 'Oops, we made a mistake in signing this contract,' " said SC Pride board member Bruce Converse.
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Posted by lou9 on July 18, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That's right, the state can nullify a contract if someone who did not have the authority to enter into it did so. South Carolina is not "so gay", your group is, and nobody cares. I remember seeing a billboard on I-26 once that said "I'm gay, and I'm your neighbor". Nobody had a problem with that. Then a couple of miles down the road was another billboard that had a quote from the Bible about a man shall not lay with another man, and the gay community had a problem with that, saying that it was mean and should be taken down. They, along with other liberals think that free speech rights apply only to their free speech.These "gay rights organizations" think that not only should everyone accept their lifestyle but that they should embrace and support it and if you don't then there is something wrong with you. Respect and tolerance is a two way street.
Posted by Neponset on July 18, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have no problem with gay folks, as a matter of fact, I spoke to one this past week, who by the way has AIDs. But keep your lifestyle private/discrete. Don't flaunt it in front of straight folks.
Posted by Tammie on July 18, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think there's anything wrong with a little "tang", that's just my preference. But if the employee did not go about getting the ad approved in the right way, yes, take it down or do away with it.
Posted by ironhorse on July 18, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Will someone please explain to these gay rights groups that you cannot plug a lamp into a lamp!
Posted by watchdog on July 18, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This board is filled with Homophobes.
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RW,
I:"m proud to be a 8th generation SC lesbian and even happier not to be living in South Carolina! Precious, my ancestors founded this state way before your sharecropper family learned to read, let alone wear shoes.
Yes I consider myself special because I have an Ivy League education despite the fact that I was educated in SC schools. And I consider myself special because I have a gorgeous partner of 21 years and have an active sex life, something that usually disappears in heterosexual couples before the children reach kindergarten. (of course that is if they are not divorced by then)
Face it. Straights cannot face the fact that gays and lesbians, are better looking, smarter, and make lots more money than miserable straight couples. Honey. it is talent that separates us from the fat, miserable dull normal straights.
Posted by number1volsfan1 on July 18, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Now if only we can get Gays to boycott the state.
Posted by Neponset on July 18, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MableX
Interesting, but expain how your line got 8 generations? How can lesbians, no matter how attractive, produce one generation?
On this topic, do homosexual women prefer to be called - gay or lesbian - my gay friend says lesbian.
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hello boys,
Some of my best friends are straight men. Does that line sound familiar to you? All you have to do is replace the word gay with black and you will see how bigoted your statements really are.
I guess you guys are really peeved now that modern medicine does not require men to be present during the miracle of conception.
Posted by jk_newhard on July 18, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Guys - homosexuals can reproduce. I'm the daughter of a gay father and a straight mother.
Posted by Neponset on July 18, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MableX
Yes, we are aware of that, but perhaps you are AC/DC.
Posted by ed52 on July 18, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mable x , 8 generations , i suspect some little boys have been sneaking around.
Posted by ironhorse on July 18, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MableX, what kind of Subaru do you drive?
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Call my opinions what you want, but I voice them because the gays and lesbians of SC cannot risk speaking about who they are because they have no rights. They can be evicted, fired, or murdered for speaking their mind, or walk down the street. No, these are not special rights, they are rights that are allegedly protected by the Bill of Rights.
Gosh, it is so hard to be an oppressed elitist.
Posted by Neponset on July 18, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MaableX
I have known several older gay couples and they were very discrete in their life style due to the danger of their time. I suggest you do the same and spare us the sorted details of your life.
Posted by ironhorse on July 18, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Since lesbians are better looking, smarter, and make lots more money, I as a straight man would happily marry MableX, especially if her girlfriend is hot.
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
8 generations. . .that's a damn good cover up! :)
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Ironhorse,
I don't drive a Subaru, I drive a Honda SUV, but I wish I drove a Subaru. bet you drive an El Camino, or maybe a Mustang with big white stripes?
As far as Mr. Cold Beer is concerned, can you even see yours anymore over the beer gut? Don;'t worry I have no intentions of throwing my lifestyle in your face, I will cross the street as fast as possible when I see you coming dressed as a perpetual adolescent in a baseball cap and tennis shoes.
Posted by ironhorse on July 18, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just my luck! MableX DOES have a hot girlfriend but Mable is the Rosie O'Donnell half of the relationship.
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ironhorse- you are killing me with your comments today! LoL
Posted by sc4peace on July 18, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe that being gay is not a choice and even if it was-we have free will to be who we want to be. Having said that- no one is "normal". There is no true definition of normal. I do not agree with the fact that we advertise that we are a gay state. No one would tolerate: "South Carolina is so white!" Or South Carolina is so Religious!" So why is it okay to assume we are all gay? I have no problems with Gays at all- it is their life and it has no effect on me- but don't advertise South Carolina as Gay...because I for one- LOVE men :)
Posted by RTC on July 18, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The term "homophobe" is one of the most misused words in the English language. Phobia means the fear of something. I am not afraid of homos, gays, lesbians, or whatever they are called. However, if you don't keep your hands to yourself you will get slapped, or hit with a golf club, machete, or beer bottle.(see other article)
lou9, excellent post concerning the billboards.
CB, tripsa, and ironhorse, you fellas are going to cause death by laughter before this day is over.
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good one Cold Beer. It was my SC education that made me the grammatical and spelling genius I am today. At the Ivy League School, they felt sorry for me for being from SC. Sorry if this upsets the anal retentive grammatical policeman in your head.
Ironhorse, let me guess? You are one of the hot muscular hunks I see walking the streets of Charleston? Buddy, you can try and attack me personally, but I do not think you want to know that I got fit when I left behind the traditional foods of SC and started to eat things that were not cooked in a vat of grease.
Also, I bet you voted for the current :"bachelor:" US Senator from SC with the perfect hair. Am I right?
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
.....and started to eat things that were not cooked in a vat of grease....
wow. . .so many things could be said to that. . . :)
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
CB- if I didn't go there first I knew you'd have a field day with that one!
Posted by number1volsfan1 on July 18, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
To all the "anti-straight" crowd; I have no problem with homosexuals, I just can't stand flaming liberals.
Posted by RTC on July 18, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dedicated to all the hilarious people on the PnC threads:
Sung to the theme music of M*A*S*H.
In the early morning light I see....
A big old butch coming straight for me.....
I try to turn and walk away,
but she grabs me anywayyyyyy....
"Homo"cide is painless,
But I realize her life is aimless....
So I grab my golf club.....
And simply walk awayyyyyy.
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OMG CB you're bad!
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RTC thank you for the theme song of the day! :)
Posted by ironhorse on July 18, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MableX, good to hear you learned to eat healthier. Something I heard about lesbians, if you could confirm this for me: Does scissoring make your tummy stay flat?
Posted by number1volsfan1 on July 18, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer
So true!
Posted by MableX on July 18, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This has been such fun! Cold Beer if you were a woman, I;'d like to pour grease on you and lick you all over.
Enjoy the weather!
Posted by MissPriss on July 18, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ironhorse- I just got in trouble for laughing too loud! You are too crazy this morning.
My personal opinion....do what you want....I'd prefer it be kept in the closet. I have friends that are homosexual, a few that are bi, and we have an understanding that as long as they dont hit on me they dont get hit in the face!
Posted by Buffy1 on July 18, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MableX "Face it. Straights cannot face the fact that gays and lesbians, are better looking, smarter, and make lots more money than miserable straight couples. Honey. it is talent that separates us from the fat, miserable dull normal straights."
I will not take the time to go down the Forbes Fortune 500 list of wealthiest individuals, but I can sum it up with "Straight. Straight. Straight. Straight..." Also, if we are making comparisons, let look at the fact that in the gay "community" AIDS is RAMPANT! And that remark about us being dull, gosh, I guess we should be like so many gay "men" and go to bath houses and behave like animals in heat(I mean no offense to innocent animals)...oh wait...do you think that has anything to do with the fact that y'all spread AIDS around at the rate that normal/straight people spread butter!
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think homosexuals are just being who they are, and they shouldn't have to hide who they are.
BTW, they are probably being obnoxious about it just to piss closed minded idiots, such as RW off.
Posted by Girleygirl on July 18, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am laughing so hard at you all this moring and I want Ironhorse to STOP!
I have no problems with gay people. They can do whatever they choose to do in or out of the closet.
The advertisement is good for Georgia not South Carolina though. I don't think the billboard or flyer is appropriate for our state.
Posted by jimisle on July 18, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RE:"Call my opinions what you want, but I voice them because the gays and lesbians of SC cannot risk speaking about who they are because they have no rights. They can be evicted, fired, or murdered for speaking their mind, or walk down the street. No, these are not special rights, they are rights that are allegedly protected by the Bill of Rights."
That's right! We don't need no special rights for homosexuals because we already have a constitution that protects everyone. Unless you actually get fired from your job because someone found out the real deal. Then it's, "Sorry, but legally you're not protected."
Posted by belovedbliff on July 18, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, you make an interesting point about your sex life. I have to disagree about its being the norm however. When I was traveling abroad last summer, I met many lesbians from America (I point this out to say many European/African/etc. lesbians are different). They ALL--on the separte occasions---talked about the lesbian deathbed. It was explained to me as there is nothing much to do after the sex is done.
Posted by jimisle on July 18, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: "Males homesexuals have a perverse coupling technique but if they wish to live that way fine!"
TMI! Stop looking at all that Internet porn! ;-)
Posted by jimisle on July 18, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW you need to go out and buy a sense of humor.
Posted by majorjohnson on July 18, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, the knee jerk reaction to the ad was worse than the ad. As usual, SC comes out looking like pretty much what it is, a redneck state where Leviticus (though only the parts the baptists actually approve of) trumps all. No one would have even known about it and it could have been handled quietly and in an adult fashion, but instead our elected leaders had to start jumping up and down turning red in the face with spittle foaming around their lips in order to draw attention to themselves and please their bible thumping electorate. And that works here too, look at comments here. Outside of SC though it just makes people look over here and say what in the heck are they putting in the water over there?
As far as hoping gays boycott the state, it's been shown that gays tend to be more educated and wealthier than the general population as a whole. There are fewer of them, but individually then tend to have more money and spend it more freely than straights. Yeah, we don't want them here. Nice.
Posted by TheSafetyMan on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For what its worth, The Bible calls homosexuality an abomination! That means being gay is bad & wrong in every sense of the word. Stop trying to push your sins on everyone else.
Posted by willie08 on July 18, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Coldbeer, for what it's worth we agree on something!
Posted by Tammie on July 18, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OMG, I am sitting at my desking cracking up!
Posted by DoaMM on July 18, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's just get this crap straight, homosexuals:
The Webster's dictionary defines the word "gay" as:
gay [of Germanic origin] 1. Showing or marked by exuberance or happy excitement : MERRY 2. Bright, esp. in color. 3. Full of or given to social pleasures. 4. Dissolute. 5. Homosexual. -n. A homosexual.
I'm gay 1, 2, & 3 because I'm heterosexual, which leaves 4 & 5 for you other freaks...
Majority wins, dingleberries...
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to agree on ColdBeer on this one.
Posted by sc4peace on July 18, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wow-safetyman- you are exactly what is wong with the world today-a true "Christian" does not judge others- and a man secure in his faith would never push his beliefs and feel the need to condemn others for what they have a right to believe. P.S. You speak as if the bible is the truth for everyone- open your eyes and you will see how big and different the world really is.
Posted by sc4peace on July 18, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW- I actually respect everyones right to believe what they want- I just don't like it when they attach what they believe to what they assume will happen to other people if they don't. I, for one am not an athiest- I am all about freedom of religion- but just because some believe its not right to be gay- doesn't make it so. I agree that Christians have the right to express their beliefs- and I responded back to him with my opinion, because I have that right as well.
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW I think your a little confused...
"Christians are thinkers.Liberalsare emotion based reactionaries who march like lemmings to whatever the democrats spew!"
I thought it was the other way around. Liberals thinks for themselves (lets face it, everyone thinks unless your brain dead), and the conservatives follow religious canon, and righted wing radio talk show blowhards who's pockets are lined by the republican part.
Posted by sc4peace on July 18, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW- please tell me you are not truly this close-minded!!!! Your beliefs are just that -yours- quit generalizing an entire group of people - I don't generalize all Christians as sheltered, close-minded, hippocrites like you- sO WHAT DO YOU AHVE TO SAY ABOUT YOUR MEN IN GOVERNMENT POSITIONS WHO GET CAUGHT WITH CALL GIRLS AND MEN IN BATHROOMS- oh I guess they are "forgiven" for their sins because they are sorry...right? I bet they listen to Limbaugh as well :)
Posted by willie08 on July 18, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW,
There are good and bad people on every side. There are several talk shows, radio shows, etc.. on every issue.
I'm very liberal, and I'm not religious, because it's my choice. If I am to be judged, I say, let me be judged now, not when I die. I'm prepared.
Go to www.democracynow.org. This is very liberal, and very informative.
You should check it out. Give it a chance, unless you are a close minded conservative.
Also, you shouldn't state things as facts. YOu should state them as your opinion, unless you can follow them up with some solid evidence. I can prove you wrong with evidence on every issue, but I don't have time right now.
God bless you. I don't hate religion. Some people need religion to tell them what is right and wrong. More power to them!
Posted by Lovely_One on July 18, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, this has been a very interesting post. I dare not comment on any of the contents therein!
Posted by DoaMM on July 18, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Agreed, RW. Although liberals would say that the Clinton's are a success story...but then you can bring out the whole tax thing, land scandals in Arkansas, immorality in the White House, etc.
This country is not a strict Democracy, it's a Democratic Republic, which is why the Democrats have such a hard time...They keep screaming, "This is a Democracy!" It's not, folks. We just all need to have a coke and a smile.
I see from these postings that we at least still have free speech...to a certain extent, I reckon.
Posted by Buffy1 on July 18, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree 100% with everything you have posted RW- couldn't have said it any better myself! Keep fighting the good fight!
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW
See, I don’t have my head up the backside of any political parties, Obama is not my messiah. Yet, this belief that you can not change your mind, flip flopping, whatever, is BS. I change my mind all the time. I for one would like a leader that can adapt, and not stay glued to a certain idea when you see it’s not working for you. I don’t agree with every position the Dems stand for and there are occasions when I have sided on the Republicans (though it is rare with this administration and this State). AS FOR MY BELIEFS, that is just what they are, MY BELIEFS. I don’t need some self righteous hypocrite, pushing their morality on me (get the picture, this is what is dividing this country), and telling me I am wrong just because some outdated work of fiction states that I am. My morality is based on empathy; doing onto others as they would do unto you, and standing for social justice and the common good. Something an idiot like you wouldn’t understand since it was not explained to you by some talk show blowhard.
Posted by Buffy1 on July 18, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: sc4peace's comment about Rush Limbaugh- I love how libs love to bring up his name as though it is something conservatives should be ashamed of...not quite! He has a listening audience of 20 milion per week and just signed a $400,000,000 contract! Before anyone throws up that he got addicted to pain pills...well guess what, that is just proof of how brilliant he is- he outsold EVERY liberal on NPR by such an obsecene margin- even when he was stoned!
I love when libs try to get the best of Rush, like when Sen. "Dingy" Harry Reid wrote the letter that all the socialist senators signed trying to force Rush to apologize for a comment taken completely out of context re: phony soldiers. Rush turned around and sold that letter on Ebay for $2,100,000 and donated to Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, a charity offering financial assistance to the children of Marines and federal law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty- AND he matched the amount!
When was the last time that filthy fat slob Michael Moore ever contributed anything to our troops...oh wait- never!
I am a proud Reagan Republican that is not at all ashamed about listening to Rush Limbaugh- and I would be willing to bet that I am far more informed on every single thing that is going on in our gov't- do any of y'all realize that without Rush making the HUGE stink about the McCain Amnesty bill that it would have passed b/c McAmnesty was trying his best to rush that bill through!
Posted by MindBath on July 18, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW you make no sense. You say talk radio is conservative because it is market-based, but how does that account for the rest of the media? Are TV, newspapers, magazines, etc - you know, the liberal media - not market-based?
As a moderate, I can easily see that neither party has the monopoly on success or failure. We had great success under Reagan after a terrible economy under Carter. And now we have a terrible economy under Bush after great success under Clinton. I know, you hate Clinton. Just not sure which part you hated: the Peace or the Prosperity.
As for thinking for yourself, how is it that almost all Bible-thumping Christians are right-wing Republicans?
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
as for political track record....
Under Clinton there was the balenced budget, record economic growth..
I would have to say the country was better of eight years ago than it is now, but really, do I have too. It's really obvious. If I didn't have to go I would go into much more detail the proof in the pudding. This country is in a mess because of the Bush Administration and has been long before the Dems took control of congress.
Posted by Buffy1 on July 18, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: As for thinking for yourself, how is it that almost all Bible-thumping Christians are right-wing Republicans?
Well I guess that would be b/c we find it more than a little wrong for 4,500 innocent babies to be butchered in America in America's abortion mills EVERY SINGLE DAY. Alsoo it could be wanting to keep the ansctity of marriage between a man and a woman. I can go on and on, but if you don't really know the answer to your question, it is just disturbing.
We belong to the party that believes in the sanctity of human life and the sanctity of marriage among many other things, versus the Democratic party that happily takes blood money from Planned Parenthood and supports partial birth abortion!
Posted by MindBath on July 18, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buffy, at issue was which side thinks for themselves or just follows the leader. Sorry you couldn't keep up.
Posted by guidedbystewart on July 18, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW
In a moment you are going to be speaking in tongues...BKLHLLASHLHDHFHFSDFGHGFHGFLFGYGWEYE...
Now really, who thinks for themselves...Sorry, got to run.
Posted by Buffy1 on July 18, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ummmm not so bright guy, I was explaining that each of us do in fact thin for ourselves, and that we just happen to think infanticide is wrong, so we come togther with our common goals and do not simly "follow a leader"
Anywho, unlike you- I have to go home now to get ready for the weekend- got a hot date :)
Posted by MindBath on July 18, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So Buffy, you were explaining that Christians DON'T all think alike because they DO think alike, but it's because they are RIGHT so it's okay that they all think alike and it doesn't really MEAN they all just think alike...
And how sweet and Christian of you to make fun of me because you have a HOT DATE and I (presumably) do not. Wearing the WWJD bracelet again, are we?
Posted by sc4peace on July 18, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buffy- I think you and RW need to get together and have like 20 children, turn on some Rush Limbaugh and hate eveyone and everything that is different than you....while you are at it- there is this great church- I believe it is somewhere in Kansas- they protest soldiers funerals because of their ignorant homophobic ideas- that's where both of you belong...and also- how would you feel if your ten year old daughter got pregnant by rape- are you going to make her have that baby? YOU ARE EXACTLY WHY PEOPLE GET A BAD TASTE FOR CONFORMED RELIGION-----
Posted by voyager12 on July 18, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The ad fallout was a ridiculous overreaction. The Gov spokesman clarified and said gays are welcome here..but I guess they just don't want us to know? haha. I grew up on Hilton Head and in Charleston and have never had a problem being out. That being said SC as a whole is never going to be gay friendly. We ain't Massachusetts or California so even though I disagree with the cancellation it was a waste of time to begin with. I ramble!
As a gay man I will just say that being homosexual is not a lifestyle anymore that being heterosexual is a lifestyle. We are in every walk of life and neighborhood. Seems like most people buy into the sitcom version of gay. We advocate in public because of the ignorance displayed by some of the comments here. We don't think employers should have the right to fire us if we are gay based on personal beliefs instead of work quality. We don't think we should be barred from visiting partners in the hospital etc etc. Finally, I don't know why some heteros are so obsessed with our sex lives. If we want to play that game it's also true that straight people have sex in a variety of positions and not always to have children. We are no worse or better than straights. Judging from all the scandals today and us being a minority after all, straights hardly have "morality" cornered. Just my opinion. I am not saying other people don't have the right to theirs. Free Speech, ain't it grand?
Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 18, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Guided By Steward: Mind Bath, SC4Peace, Willie08,
I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!
Both sides have good and bad points
Buffy1, you say:
We belong to the party that believes in the sanctity of human life...
Question: If Republicans are so life loving, why are they so pro-war? Doesn't Christianity teach peace and forgiveness?
There is significant evidence out there that this war is based on lies. Impeachment statements against Bush for this are being open to discussion and have made it into congressional record several times in the past couple of months. Whether you agree or not, we should do as the head of our JConyers suggests, to LISTEN TO ALL SIDES.
What do you think of that? If you protect life and justice, don't you think we should at least examine the evidence that is presented that suggests that hundreds of thousands of people are being murdered for no reason? Don't you think it's important enough to at least look into? If it's all wrong, than you can give the liberals a big slap in the face? Isn't that what you want?
Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 18, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said Voyager.
A very close relative of mine had an abortion after losing her virginity. The condom broke. They were both 17 and virgins.
They cared nothing for one another either, they just wanted to lose their virginity and get it over with.
This person won't talk to me about it. She busts into tears every time. She is happily married now with 1 beautiful child and another on the way.
I wouldn't EVER have one myself, as I am very much FOR LIFE. It is not my place to tell her what she should and should not do. Each situation is different. That is why I am PRO CHOICE , the choice to make the decision. Just like a person has the CHOICE to join the military and kill on command.
Posted by voyager12 on July 18, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the tip RW, as a gay person I think I know more about myself than you. We can argue forever and gay people are never going to dissapear to make you happy or other conservatives. And neither are you. So where does that leave us? Having the ability to respect each others viewpoints and not comparing one's personal life to crime. Gay and straight are no different when it comes to personal failings. Sexuality has nothing to do with it. Have a nice night.
Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 18, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
tripsa is such a boring guy.
i guess that might explain why he doesn't have any friends.
poor little guy.
this website is his only outlet of communication, even on a Friday night, he drinks himself into a vicious mean drunk, and just hopes that someone will start an argument on liberal vs conservative, republican vs democrat.
my advice to him would be to stop mixing his alcohol with his anti depressants. the two don't mix!
Posted by Carolina_Politics on July 18, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have no problem with this alternative. This group has every right to have an ad marketed towards their people. The State was correct however in shooting it down on the grounds that taxpayer dollars should not be used to fund any specific social agenda. Of course, we all know that happens all the time anyway, but nonetheless I think the decision was ethical. There is nothing stopping this group from moving forward with it on their own and that looks like what they're going to do. I doubt they'll have a problem getting the money.
http://www.carolinapoliticsonline.com
Posted by abitskeptical on July 19, 2008 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Been a busy day..just now getting to this article.
I've already said what I had to say on this topic a few days ago....but
Mablix, where do you get the idea that an active sexual relationship disappears for most heterosexual couples before the kids hit kindergarten?
For many people that would be in their mid-late 20's & early 30's....so on this factor alone you are soooooo off base.
Further, even in the couples who waited to have kids (i.e. they are approaching 'old fart' status when the kids hit kindergarten) I have never known your premise to be true.
Thirdly, on a personal note, our oldest child had been out of kindergarten for 8 years when I became pregnant with our last child.
In between those 2 were 5 other pregnancies resulting in 3 other healthy children (I suppose with your Ivy league education you can figure out that is 5 children).
Then in the middle of menopause a couple of years ago, after our last child had been out of kindergarten for 3 years, I got pregnant. I ended up miscarrying that one, which I must admit was a blessing since I was almost 48.
So,
na-na-ni-boo-boo to your 'theory'.
Posted by abitskeptical on July 19, 2008 at 12:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh hello CB.
What a vivid image Mablex painted for us all...
Bet you've never been so glad you're a man. :)
Posted by a_set_love on July 19, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Homosexual sex is the perfect example of - Sadism and Masochism.
When a man and woman engage in Sodomy the fact holds true. When a man and man engage in Sodomy the fact holds true. When a woman and woman engage in Sodomy the fact holds true.
Todays lesson on reality has been brought to you by........ PAIN HURTS!
Posted by willie08 on July 19, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
democracynow.org
democracynow.org
A daily TV/radio news program, hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, airing on over 700 stations, pioneering the largest community media collaboration in the U.S.
Good reporting. Good news. I'm not going to get into the
whole liberal vs conservative argument.
Just go to the website, and listen to Amy Goodman report.
Posted by walleyedwoman1215 on July 19, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer wrote: For what it's worth, EVERY SINGLE famous bible thumper I can think of has been involved in either a homosexual affair, an affair with a prostitute or just an extra marital affair.
Please cite your sources about Billy Graham having premarital or extramarital sex. I know, you'll say "I don't care enough about your god or your bible to extropolate on this superfluous topic any longer."
CB, I think you're intelligent. I also think you're going to get a huge shock when you die and God says, "Give me a hug, big man!"