Call for boycott renewed
Confederate battle flag the issue for rights group
Updated 12:45 p.m., July 15, 2008
Update
SC gov not backing Confederate flag removal push
COLUMBIA - South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford says he won't broker any compromises aimed at removing the Confederate flag from Statehouse grounds.
Sanford's remark Tuesday came a day after the NAACP said it would strengthen its efforts to force the removal of the banner from a monument to Confederate war dead that is next to the capital city's busiest street.
Sanford says he has just over two years left in his second term and is going to try to focus on things that make big difference in people's lives. The NAACP boycott started when the flag was on the Statehouse dome, but has lost steam since it was moved to street level eight years ago.
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Confederate flag at the State House Columbia S.C.
The NAACP is renewing its call to boycott South Carolina for flying the Confederate battle flag outside the Statehouse.
Leaders speaking Monday at the group's national convention in Cincinnati said plans are in the works to strengthen a tourism boycott that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People enacted in January 2000.
At the time, the flag was flying on the Capitol dome. It was moved that summer to the nearby Confederate Soldier's Monument, which is on the Statehouse grounds, after a bitter fight in the state Legislature. NAACP leaders said the flag belonged in a museum, and continued the boycott. It has only been lifted for the presidential candidates visiting the state, but its impact has been minimal.
Dot Scott, president of the NAACP's Charleston chapter, said she has been getting calls asking if the boycott is still in effect, and she passed on the messages to national headquarters. She praised the decision to revive the fight to move the flag.
"Symbols are very important," Scott said. "It denotes a mind-set. To many it represents ugly and mean things. Every now and then we need to be reminded … that bigotry is alive and well. The flag (stands for) the ugliness we're still experiencing. I am in absolute support that the flag needs to go."
Randy Burbage, South Carolina division commander of the Sons of
Confederate Veterans, said he was not surprised by the NAACP's action but does not agree with it.
"The flag is a symbol of pride to me, men that wouldn't give up, fighting for freedom in their own right," Burbage said. "Our state was being invaded. They were trying to save their homes, not preserve slavery. They (NAACP) want me to respect their heritage, and yet they won't respect mine."
Getting lawmakers to agree even to reconsider the flag debate would be next to impossible, said Sen. Robert Ford, D-Charleston, who joined Republican Sen. Glenn McConnell of Charleston to move the flag where it is. A two-thirds majority in both the House and Senate would be needed to bring the issue up, and that's not likely, he said.
"My bill passed, and I'm satisfied with it now," Ford said. "This (NAACP proposal) could cause more harm than good. I don't think you want to polarize the races right about now, when we're trying to elect the first black man to be president."
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama was scheduled to address the convention Monday evening. He did not address the Confederate flag debate when he was in South Carolina earlier this year campaigning in the Democratic primary.
NAACP leaders didn't specify how they would strengthen the boycott, other than reminding people it's still in effect. Dennis Courtland Hayes, interim president and CEO, told the convention that action plans are in the works and to stay tuned for details, according to The Associated Press.
One possibility that black leaders have talked about is putting more pressure on Hollywood to not make films in South Carolina. About 15 films and TV shows, including the popular "Army Wives," have been made in the state since 2005, South Carolina Film Commissioner Jeff Monks said.
It's hard to say how effective the boycott has been, said Marion Edmonds, communications director with the S.C. Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism.
A number of conventions were canceled after the NAACP announced the boycott, representing tens of millions of dollars in lost business, he said. But other conventions stepped in to fill most of the empty slots, he said. After the flag was moved in July 2000, the effect of the boycott appeared to be minimal, he said.
"Once the flag came down in 2000, most convention and meeting planners accepted that as a good-faith effort," Edmonds said.
The last holdout has been the NCAA, which continues to avoid holding college basketball tournaments in South Carolina.
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swhfd28 (anonymous) says...
I think there are more important issues to be dealing with than the Confederate Flag. NAACP needs to get a life and stop trying to mess up the history of the past. Lets worry about todays issues....price of gas, election, etc.
July 15, 2008 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
robeweise (anonymous) says...
ZZZZzzzzzz......
July 15, 2008 at 12:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rocks66 (anonymous) says...
Like Jesse Jackson, the NAACP continues to become more and more irrelevant, and non-issues such as this one are part of the reason. Note to the membership: The Hispanics and LULAC are coming, and they don't really care too much about what's bothering you these days. If I were you, I'd get out of the way, 'cause they've already passed you in terms of population. In another few years, the voice of your organization will seem like a whisper in the wind compared to theirs.
By the way, your ill-conceived boycott hurts most those of your constituencies, the folks who can least afford the (minimal, according to state revenue studies) loss of tourist dollars.
July 15, 2008 at 1:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bobcallaway81 (anonymous) says...
I think that both sides should look back at their HISTORY! People where not enslaved under this flag. They where enslaved under the stars and stripes. The confederates did not adopt this flag until they realized they need a standard that was different from the union. Both sides where shooting their own solders. It needs to be at the Confederate Solders Monument or on the battery where the civil war started. The Sons of the Confederates and the NAACP needs to understand that this is a BATTLE FLAG, that's it. Only people make it personal. This is not the Swastika or a symbol of hate. Millions did not die in concentration camps under this flag. This is part of the US history. I think that both sides need to understand the transition on people of other countries, no matter what color, was a big commodity back then and I'm sure still today. Both sides are making complete fools of something that happened over 200 years ago. You need to focus on today's issues and forget about something that did not involve you. The people that use this Navel Battle Flag as a symbol of hate or the people that believes it represents hate are stupid and have nothing better to do. I am ashamed of this for both sides, white and black. You want to empress me, lower the gas prices and cut taxes and you both will be national heroes. Get a Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 2:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
awwww........ poor wittle naacp....
Do you have anything REAL to do? I've got an idea - read a history book.
July 15, 2008 at 3:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
"The flag is a symbol of pride to me, men that wouldn't give up, fighting for freedom in their own right," Burbage said. "Our state was being invaded. They were trying to save their homes, not preserve slavery.
Burbage, could not be more wrong. You where not invaded, our state broke the law.
Now this guy needs to read a book. How can you say that they were fighting for freedom, when they were denying an entire people of their freedom. The issue is that the flag is on state property, a building that is suppose to represent all its people, not a part of her people. For the people,buy the people.
July 15, 2008 at 4:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NativeSon (anonymous) says...
This is a great example of a few MENTALLY ILL people running a small organization for a minority group!
While some of their people are responsible for a considerable amount of crime against each other and society as well as being dirt poor and somewhat illiterate, this silly bunch finds nothing better to do?
If they do not like the history of this great state, there are 49 other states where they can demonstrate their ignorance and mental short comings!
July 15, 2008 at 4:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
WOW !! Native Son, your a real winner.
July 15, 2008 at 5:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CedarPosts (anonymous) says...
I've always been a fan of the battle flag.
But the time has come to accept that while the flag stands for heritage to educated people and has never stood for hate, some hate groups have hijacked the flag for their own use.
Much like the rainbow has been hijacked by gay and lesbian groups, the battle flag has fallen into the wrong hands.
Son's of Confederate Veterans need to accept this fact, and change direction. I suggest they lobby congress to give the 1st stainless aka the "stars and bars" protection as the official flag of the South and give the SCV the right to trademark the flag and thereby the right to legally pursue anyone in the courts, who uses the trademark in an unfit manner.
More about the battle flag at: http://cedarposts.blogspot.com/2008/0...
July 15, 2008 at 5:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Drubaby (anonymous) says...
naacp,enuff said. keep the flag flying find something better to waste your time on like finding a real job...
July 15, 2008 at 5:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
The last time the flag was taken down, all I saw was a bunch of rednecks with the flag on their cars, homes, boats wherever they could fly it.
I feel the NAACP can find something more important to boycott the state for. It didn't hurt the state before and it wont hurt it now.Gas prices are doing that very well
July 15, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
The NAACP should stop trying to bury the Confederate Battle Flag. That flag today is more of a symbol used by southeners to honor ancestors who were fighting to preserve a way of life. A way of life that just happened to include the institution of slavery. Slavery at the time was a necessary evil for various reasons in the south. Mainly it had to do with the southern economy. A economy based on agriculture. The institution of slavery passed down through the generations since before biblical times but becoming less popular through the ages. Even free blacks at the time owned slaves in the south.
Today the NAACP should concentrate on burying the things that still have thier people enslaved, ignorance and poverty.
July 15, 2008 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
"Symbols are very important," Scott said. "It denotes a mind-set."
EXACTLY RIGHT DOT! LIKE RAP, 1 IN 10 BLACK MEN ARE IN PRISON, 7 - 10 BLACK WOMEN HAVE BABIES OUT OF WEDLOCK AND THEN THERE'S THE WELFARE LIFE AND THE ENTITLEMENT ATTITUDE.... YOU HAVE YOUR PLATE FULL. WHY DON'T YOU CLEAN AROUND YOUR OWN HOUSE FOR A CHANGE.
I for one could care less if the flag stays or goes and I'm born and bred here BUT the NAACP has plenty other issues to tackle. By the way who participated in the prior boycott?
July 15, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
btelfare (anonymous) says...
When children think a looped rope is something to bring fear to African American children, I think of the flag.
The flag may bring memories of summer's of mint juleps to some but pain to the children of the people who made them. The flag brings a visual picture of a strange fruit of lynched bodies not mint juleps to many African Americans. Is it a remember of a world lost for the mint julep crowd? The state of South Carolina will pay a price for this flag. It may be a price that can not be avoided.
July 15, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
btelfare (anonymous) says...
When looped ropes are showed to African American children to bring fear, I think of the Flag.
The Flag may bring memories of summer mint julep to some but pain to the children of the people who made them.
The Flag brings visual memories of lynched bodies to African Americans. We can not forgive the past and move on. This flag will cost South Carolina dearly.
July 15, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Nonsense (anonymous) says...
Has anybody ever been to Austin, Texas and seen the huge confederate monument on the grounds of their capitol building? It makes the one in Columbia look tiny. Why isn't any other state chastised like South Carolina? Why are we always the scapegoat? I see more confederate flags for sale in the state of Tennessee than anywhere in South Carolina.....like one other comment says - the NAACP has a lot bigger fish to fry than a battle flag. And for sure, they have a lot of bigger problems in the African American community. The Piggie Park restaurant in Cayce flies this flag every day and night - and I see many, many African Americans eating there - the flag doesn't stop people from eating good barbecue!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 6:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seneca264 (anonymous) says...
I wish the blacks would stop being so racist. Can't we just get along. How about a big group hug.....would that help?
July 15, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Marylandguineapigguy (anonymous) says...
I'm not a native Southerner but I have visited Charleston every April for a week of vacation for the past 13 years and I have grown to love the city and the Low Country as a whole. Anyone who spends any amount of time there will come to learn the Confederate flag is not at all a symbol of hate but rather a piece of history and a source of much pride to those whose forebears fought and died for it, right or wrong. It represents history the way the "Don't Tread On Me" flag or the "Join or Die" flags represented something in Colonial America. Likewise, songs such as "Dixie," "Suwannee River" and "Maryland, My Maryland" also represent a piece of history too and should be viewed with honor and respect.
Those who don't like the Confederate flag are, in my opinion, reading way too much into it. The truth is it has indeed often been used for malicious puproses by certain misguided people but the bottom line is, it represents a proud piece of your history and who you are as a people. The rest of America should take such pride in its past and in its heritage, wherever we may come from.
By the way, if you want to talk about things that are "offensive," there's nothing more offensive to me than the likes of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright or his cohort Michael Pfleger and some of the filth and vulgarity we have heard come out of their so-called "church" in Chicago these past few months - a "church" which Senator Obama belonged to for better than 20 years and only now all of a sudden out of the clear blue has come to find offensive himself. Could it be that running for president has opened his eyes to the reality of what that "church" was really all about or could it just be because it's a smart political move on his part to quit that "church"?
The people I have met in Charleston over the years have been kind, gracious and friendly, no matter what their race or background. Some of my happiest times away from home over the years have been spent in your lovely city and I can honestly say it is one of the most wonderful places I have ever visited anywhere over the years.
I would never dream of boycotting South Carolina or Charleston. In fact, I may just stay an extra few days next time I come for a visit, just to spite those who are too closed-minded to understand the truth of what that flag symbolizes.
July 15, 2008 at 6:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
USC_Alumni (anonymous) says...
I always hear the arguement that the flag represents heritage not hate; well the heritage of that flag is slavery, burtality, and the oppression of an entire race of people.
And if it's a heritage not hate situation why did SC start to fly the flag over the capitol when the Civil Rights Act was passed.
Up until then it wasn't flown over the capitol, but as soon as the federal government say you have to give black people equal access to show defiance to federal law the flag is hoisted.
July 15, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
errickjbrown (anonymous) says...
I did not want to address the comment made about African Americans on welfare but I have to set the record straight. White America receives a greater percent of public aid than african americans and latinos. And Black America actually leaves public assistance at a greater rate. But that is not the issue at hand. I really get frustrated at the ignorance. If you don't have the facts then save yourself the embarrassment and keep quite.
As far as the flag; I totally agree with the majority of the comments on this page. I do not think the flag issue is the most important topic facing the NAACP. Helping inner-city youth obtain collegiate dreams would be a great avenue for this organization, especially at a local level. As an African American man, the flag is a symbol of southern history. It really is. But, unfortunatley a small "terriorist group" that bares the name of "The Ku Klux Klan" took this flag as a symbol that was utilized during the Post-Slavery and Civil Rights Era. The flag being on the state ground, does not bother me. Many of the states in america already see us as "backwards in many of our dealings" and for the NAACP to engage in such conversations does not help their reputation.
July 15, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CMLMADDOG (anonymous) says...
WAAAAAAAHHHH!
July 15, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Seneca, I will tell you like I tell anyone else, the NAACP does NOT represent this black woman. Their views and my views are completely different. To me, the flag is a freakin cloth. There are a whole lot of other things that they should be focusing on. Job losses, education, etc. Focus on that instead this non-issue. And for those of you with you wonderful "beam of light" comments this morning (if you get offended, I'm probably talking about you), here's a quarter, buy a damn clue.
July 15, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
"After Obama is elected the Red Crescent Flag of Islam will be mandated to fly over all State Federal buildings anyway."
gadsden --
I almost always disagree with your viewpoint. But, I actually agree (or at least concede some validity) in many of your arguments today. That is until you ended your post with the above statement. I get the exaggeration, but it really weakens your credibility with many people who are "gray area folk".
By the way -- this is not an attack (I know you are ready to jump on anyone who attacks your ideas); this is an observation.
July 15, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Palmnut (anonymous) says...
It's great to see how funny this issue is to some of you it simply shows just how ignorant you really are but as it was mentioned, that flag will only hurt South Carolina in the long run.
July 15, 2008 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
errickjbrown--Your facts are misleading. The "per capita" ratio of welfare recipients in this country is almost 2-to-1 in favor of blacks!
July 15, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
I did NOT bring Obama up. Gadsden did.
July 15, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
But if you need an excuse to begin your propaganda campaign against anything non-ultraconservative...
July 15, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
By all means. Go to it.
July 15, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
USC_Alumni (anonymous) says...
Gadsden:
What does any of what you said have to do with the TRUE heritage that flag represents? Hate, oppression, slavery, brutality, lynchings, segregation, and no protection under the law for a certain race of people.
2 wrongs don't make it right. Just because someone else does something morally wrong it doesn't mean you get to do the same. We are talking about South Carolina not LBJ, Lincoln, or Sherman.
Everyone knows that South Carolina is a racist place. I was born and grew up in Charleston. I love my state but I experienced more racism and hate there than I did when I lived in the mountains of Tennesee or the clay hills of Georgia.
And I don't need to learn in school was is blatantly obvious. Besides, last time I look at school rankings South Carolina was ranked at the bottom so they aren't teaching much anyway.
July 15, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephaniem (anonymous) says...
Although I am not black, I despise this flag and feel uncomfortable around it if I see it on someone's truck or t-shirt. Most people who know history know that in 1776 Thomas Jefferson tried to illegalize slavery by allowing them the same rights as men and John Rutledge told Jefferson that he would refuse to sign the declaration of independence if he didn't get to keep slaves. All colonies had to sign the declaration or they stay with England so slavery stayed legal.
The northern states pressured the South to stop slavery and tried to coerce them by raising taxes etc and South Carolina committed treason. South Carolina is still the one state that never surrendered or admitted to being wrong in the matter. Virginia, where I grew up, acts completely different. They act like they never was part of the south on this matter
July 15, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coastiegirl (anonymous) says...
Blacks have it better in the USA than anywhere else on God's green earth, especially their ANCESTORS native land of Africa. I have two children in the military over there now trying to keep them from murdering each other, so STOP with the nonsense about the battle flag flying over the statehouse! Worry about the complete demolition of the African nations by their own! Better yet, join the army and go do it yourselves, NAACP!!
July 15, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
Gadsden, You are an idiot. Obama is not a Muslim. Another moron from the great state of screw ups....
July 15, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
Stephaniem--You must be from the Norfolk (I.E. southern DC suberb) area of Virginia. The people in the middle areas of the state (I.E. Lynchburg) are extremely proud of their southern heritage (and don't mind saying so!).
July 15, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
The main symbol of hate and opression for the KKK was a burning cross. I don't see the NAACP trying to ban crosses. That makes the confederate flag issue as a hate symbol mute.
July 15, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
Good Morning All. Tammie you are so right on with your post.
People need to get a clue. There is so much more important things the NAACP can put there efforts to.
Like education, how to apply for a job, how to act at an interview what to wear that's not important to some but, being in the business it is important to get a job.
And I know there isn't much out there. But, what is there with education they can be filled. The NAACP needs to focus on this and getting people off welfare and food stamps. This is whets important .Not focusing on a stupid piece of cloth Like Tammie said.
July 15, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Missthang (anonymous) says...
coastiegirl is also a moron
July 15, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephaniem (anonymous) says...
btw... the flag was flown on the capital to protest federal school intergration....it wasn't up there all those years...at least from what I am told by people who hate the flag
why it took years to take it off is bizarre to me
July 15, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
remmiesmom (anonymous) says...
"Hail-yeah-Bubba"
Let the NAACP get ALL the "true Southners" (not just in SC) in a tiff over this flag issue again..
to quote Napoleon Bonaparte:
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
July 15, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcncamscott (anonymous) says...
People that have JOBS don't have the time to boycott. They are busy working and focusing on more important things than WHINING about what wasn't given to them - FO' FREE!
July 15, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
Does that mean the "boycot" will include Black Bike Week at Myrtle Beach?
July 15, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CaptPete (anonymous) says...
The boycott was a big boost before. Please boycott again the state could use the extra tourist.
July 15, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Boycott? Is that thing still going on?? LOL
Dot Scott said, "Every now and then we need to be reminded : that bigotry is alive and well." REALLY??? I thought we wanted to end bigotry. Dot is one of the biggest racists in SC and she continues to stir the pot.
As for the Emancipation Proclamation...I was taught that it freed ALL slaves. It did not. Abraham Lincoln's Eman. Proc. only freed those slaves in states who had seceeded from the Union and were fighting against the Union. A way of punishing those states. The others were still enslaved until the passing of the 13th amendment. Lincoln viewed slavery as a "necessary evil" or sorts.
As a teacher I am very careful how I tread on this subject. I do include REAL facts that are not necessarily in the book or in the curriculum.
I also think it is interesting that while the northern states disapproved of slavery in the south they continued to buy the products these slaves helped plant, cultivate, and harvest....hmmmm....double standard????
As for the Confederate flag....I would think the blacks would try to embrace this part of their heritage as well. After all didn't slaves build the south? Shouldn't we honor their contributions in helping build this country?
The NAACP should focus on more important issues like pushing for black families to educate and raise their children up to a higher standard. Maybe they should take an extended trip to some of the African countries and see what kinds of slavery exists there today.
July 15, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeannie (anonymous) says...
I think it is pretty sad that with eveything going on in the state, country, and world, the NAACP still has to make everything a race issue. This is CRAZY!!!!! My feelings on the Confederate flag are this, the NAACP raised hell until it came off of the state capitol and now that it is in a proper place (being a confederate flag and being on a confederate memorial) they still have issues. I will purpose that if you don't like it and that is the only thing you have to worry about get the he** out of the state and stop being an freakin cry baby about everything!!
July 15, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
berthelot (anonymous) says...
Do we really care if the people that allow the NAACP to tell them where to go and what to do visit our state or not? I won't miss them.
July 15, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
AndyT (anonymous) says...
Boycotting South Carolina again! I seem to remember back when the flag was still above the capital. The NAACP wanted it down but said that it could be placed at a memorial on the grounds. Now, that is not good enough. There is a flag on the capital grounds. Who cares? What about real issues facing blacks. (Notice I didn't use the African Americans, because then I would have to say Scotch/English American) There are numerous medical issues facing young blacks, crime rates. That list could go on and on. But instead they want to use the reverse discrimination and blame everyone else. The issues that are brought up time and time again are brought up by useless organizations like the NAACP and the Rainbow Push. I feel that Dr. Martin Luther King would be very disappointed that the energy and the focus of these organizations is so misdirected and wasted on issues like a stupid flag.
July 15, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
belovedbliff (anonymous) says...
The NAACP should definitely come out against the Jul 21, 2008 cover of the New Yorker. Anybody see it yet? Everybody should be offended!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07...
July 15, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Someone wrote: "but as it was mentioned, that flag will only hurt South Carolina in the long run."
Yeah? So tell me... how long do we have to prepare for it? It's been 8 years, and their boycott has had such an insignificant impact that they feel they have to remind people they are still boycotting our state.
Their 8 year boycott has amounted to squat, and clearly reveals how irrelevant the NAACP has become.
July 15, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
number1volsfan1, you are so right. I have never seen so many people into reenactments and collection of Civil War paraphanalia as those in VA. As a matter of fact, Gettysburg, PA has shops that sell more Confederate stuff than Charleston does. It is not just a Southern thing.
As far as the NAACP goes, all of their arguments are so old that they came out of Methuselah's behind using a cane.
Why do they insist on beating a dead horse? That flag is just hanging there and is not jumping out and attacking anyone.
July 15, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drp7773 (anonymous) says...
Now according to the article the Ncaa still avoids SC because of the flag issue. Lets see a bunch of thugs with quite a few having criminal records not coming to the state wow that is a bummer. Maybe we will be safe awhile longer huh. Like one already said in here with gas prices , my guess quite a few wont be traveling here anyway and as bad as traffic is here now according to previous P&C articles who needs more cars. Miss Dot and her loser cronies need to get a life and let the past go like one important Muslim has said we (which includes people) need (to) change.
July 15, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
stephaniem--
You probably are from Northern VA where I lived for 10+ years before coming here and as you should know it a much different place than say, Fredricksburg which is a good 30 miles from the Beltway. I have heard northern VA called "New York without the accent". Much of the rest of the state is just like the rest of the south in its ways. I would disagree with your arguement that it is "completely different". Perhaps your parents never let out out of the car when you drove south or west.
July 15, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nikkiP (anonymous) says...
Mmm that's alot of replies by 8:30 in the morning.
I remember vacationing in Asheville once when I was in high school, prob 8 or so years ago. It was around memorial day, and my family and I had stopped in some grassy area to watch the festivities. There were some elementary school choirs there, veterans giving speeches, etc. But something happened that really stuck in my mind.
Around the corner, I see a man dressed in a grey, wool uniform like those worn by the confederate soldiers. He was holding the confederate flag, and had a sign on his chest that said "heritage, not hate." It was touching, and something I'll never forget. Now before you go off screaming racist (because I'm sure some of you are angrily typing away a reply already) I say it was so moving, because it was a black man. An older gentleman, who looked like he was the kind of man that had never asked for a handout in his life, no matter how much he needed it.
You'll probably throw around slurs like "uncle tom." but seriously, think about it. No one is saying slavery was a good thing, at all. It was a necessary evil, yes. The southern economy was completely dependent on it, as shameful as it was. But once again, the flag or the war wasn't about slavery. It was about the southern states wanting to maintain more power for their governments, really very similar to the revolutionary war.
Besides, there's all this 'reparations' talk but most people still saying make it right are well aware that there is nothing that will ever make them put it in the past. But frankly, i don't think we need to. No one here was a slave, and no one owned slaves.
July 15, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
"The New Yorker" being criticized by the left-wing socialist publication "Huffington Post"! I love it when liberals attack each other.
Grab the popcorn, sit back and watch the show!
July 15, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
Did you know that some northern were taking pictures of the few people boycotting. And, they were joking about it. Coming back from Va. last year we stopped at the rest area. While in the ladies room. These two ladies were laughing about how they wouldn't waste their time on such stupidity their words not mime, and yes they were African American women they had a lot more they laughed about with the men that were there too. They had New York Plates.
July 15, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsPiggy (anonymous) says...
You know I just find it really ironic that:
If white people (which in all reality, we really aren't "WHITE". What is white anyway? My skin looks pretty tan to me! Everybody in America is a transplant, we all have ansestors from other countries. OH and by the way, I don't want to be called WHITE I deserve to be called a EUROPEAN AMERICAN!) had a college where no black people were allowed to attend to there would be an UPROAR. And if we had scholarships that black people weren't allowed to have access to HOLY CRAP!! That is a lawsuit waiting to happen!!!
So why in the hell do we have black biker week? Why can't we just have ONE biker week that everybody can attend?? If the NAACP is screaming equality and unity, then why are many things seperate?
As far as the flag goes, what's next? The NAACP boycotting Middleton Place because slaves worked the land there long ago? Or maybe boycotting the Market, telling people to no longer shop there because that is once where slaves were sold? If you don't like the way our state is run, and you don't like the history of our state,(which by the way, WE CAN'T CHANGE) then there is only one option:
Take the underground railroad and head UP NORTH.
July 15, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
I am so sorry that some people are so misinformed about this flag. Sad..
For those of you who cringe at the sight of the battle flag, I hear that it is almost nonexistant up north.
Perhaps you would feel more appreciated and equal up there.
I will admit that some white land owners were horrible "slave owners". However, my ancestors kept a journal as to the people they "employed". Their employees loved them. The children were educated alongside their own children. They were like family.
The blacks that were employed decided to fight in the civil war. Why? Not to keep slavery legal...but to change it. They wanted all blacks to be employed and allowed to receive education.
They were freed and the government segregated them. Most white farmers would no longer employ them for fear of retaliation by the governement. Therefore we started a generation of uneducated blacks. They were turned loose and forgotten. There should have never been slave owners, there should have been employees.
Now, while this whole civil war thing was happening...do you think the president and high powered white northerners weren't getting their fields plowed and tea brought to them by blacks?
The only time the word racism ever comes to mind is when it comes from the NAACP. I also believe that the only reason "Bubba" feels the need to have this flag planted on his truck bumper is because he feels a need to fight back againt the suppression of his race. Sound familiar?
July 15, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zekemire (anonymous) says...
How ridiculous! These radical idiots agreed to the "comprimise" to bring the flag down from the top of the capitol! Screw them! Let them boycott! The state should sue them in state and federal court for an illegal action! Take all their funds, bankrupt them, get a list of donars and in turn sue and bankrupt them! If our state or federal government gives them money, sue them in state and federal court to stop the illegal use of taxpayer money! If they are tax exempt, take away that foolish item and tax them into oblivion! Same for the aclu, the sierra club, world wildlife fund, southern poverty law center, souther environmental law center, jesse's group, greenpeace,and, all other agenda driven groups that are only radical anarchist anti American nuts!! And, if preachers, pastors, fathers or reverends give any kind of political speech from the pulpit, strip the churches of their tax exempt status! That would close a large majority of majority black churches, which would be a fitting thing to happen because of this illegal naacp action!
July 15, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nikkiP (anonymous) says...
Um, actually you're more than welcome to attend one of the HBCUs. In fact, a white student was recently honored as the valedictorian of such a school.
Black people have jobs, not quite sure why they're all pegged as being unemployed. Personally, I'd find that more offensive. White people do that too, you know.
Tammie, I think you're my hero for the day.
stephasomethingwhocares- Um, please check facts. What the southern states did is no more illegal than what the colonies did. Jefferson was the ONLY one who wanted to abolish slavery. Even northern generals owned slaves. meanwhile, the majority of confederate soldiers were too poor to even own land. Read a few other fact-based replies here, there's alot of learn.
But ever notice how any minority group only cares about themselves? Well, the minority within the minority that is a little too loud. Ever hear gay people try and stand up for equal rights for the black community? Or a member of that community decry what happened to the native americans? Native americans try and help hispanics? Or heaven forbid, feminists try and stand up for anyone? No, as much as anyone claims to want equality, it's all for themselves.
July 15, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lakegirl (anonymous) says...
If they really wanted to boycott SC, why not boycott Myrtle Beach BikeFest?
July 15, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lois_Lane (anonymous) says...
Do we NEED a White College? NO. Do we NEED a White History Month? NO. If we did NEED those things we'd be called racists! The NAACP just needs to get a life. Like Chris Rock says, "the most racist man you'll ever meet is an old black man!" Find something else to bi**h about. Leave our flag alone. If you don't like our flag, move.
July 15, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
USC_Alumni (anonymous) says...
I think those who use the heritage not hate arguement and my family was so good to there slaves are misguided.
A slave is a slave, what can be or is good about being in bondage and not having any control over your very own life. Having your family members sold, or being forced to have sexual relations with your owner.
As for the heritage not hate idea personally you lose that argument when you allow hate groups such as the Klan and Neo-Nazis to use your symbol of heritage as their symbol of hate. If you loved your heritage so much and wanted to preserve the beacon of good hope it is; you would have stood up and say to these groups that's not what we stand for.
Your heritage have been hijacked, you allowed it, and to people around the world the symbol of your heritage is a symbol of hate.
July 15, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
Why does the feel it need to put this story in. it breed racism for their post? Is this what they want all this controversy? Racism breeds so much hate. I know I have been there. Because of my grandson in-law I have seen there is only one difference the color of our skin not what is in our hearts or what we want for ourselves we ALL want the same. Some black and white are to f***ing lazy to do it for themselves. They want handouts give it for free. It's not that piece of cloth flying its people.
Yes, people I once hung the flag in my front yard. But once my grandson in-law came into my life and his family I don't use it I hang the American Flag and the Marine flag. We are American after all OF US ARE I do hope.
July 15, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OverHere (anonymous) says...
The worst part is that the boycott adversly affects all South Carolinians - which include blacks.
I'm sure more jobs and more money in the state are more of a benefit to the black community than quibbling over a hard fought compromise on the flag issue.
Not to mention that they are not nearly as concerned about Georgia or Mississippi incorporating the confederate flag into their state flag.
Must be an election year. Wonder how much they'll push Obama to show that he's on "their side" and how much Barack will try and distance himself from the NAACP with America on the verge of electing the first black president.
July 15, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
Ms. Piggy, name me one historically black college ANYWHERE where whites/tans/vanillas/ pinks/mauves/European Americans are not allowed to attend. If you want to be factual in your mentioning of separate colleges, then perhaps you should mention that the state's founding fathers, perhaps some of your ancestors, created those schools.
The SC NAACP has long served its purpose. The issues that the SC NAACP supports make it a polarizing and ineffective organization; on a national scale it does not appear that the organization takes up frivolous causes:in fact they are mute.
The flag issue goes back to what I teach my son:don't put thorns in your own side. It is a flag for Heaven's sake:Every black family should be sure to buy and fly one; you're southern too. Black soldiers fought and died in the Confederate Army. Get some decals for your car, bike or whatever mode of transportation you use these days, buy a t-shirt or two, a ball cap and call it a life. That flag never harmed anyone:and it does not stir up a mentality; the mentality exists long before-and with or without the flag.
July 15, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
Not surprised. The NAACP looks like a bunch of asses once again! Do any of you remember when they complained that it was made of cotton? This was after it came down from the top of the state house. ha ha ha Always something!
They call it racism ... We call it GET OVER IT!
July 15, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lois_Lane (anonymous) says...
Oh, and by the way, It's my flag and I'll fly it right under the American Flag. If you have a problem with it, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm proud of my heritage, of the fact I have relatives who fought in the battles, one lost his life to typhoid fever, the other was wounded but not bad enough to bring home. Some even fought in the Revolutionary War. But I don't rub the flag in nobody's face. I'm Southern by the Grace of God, Confederate by history. I know that when my great great grandmother's mom died after my gggrandmother was born, my ggggrandfather remarried a woman who, unfortunately, was evil and hated the baby so much she wouldn't feed her. But thank God a slave with a heart of gold stepped up to the plate and fed my gggrandmother and kept her alive. For that I am forever grateful. If you treat someone with respect, you get respect. But for God's sake, the NAACP needs to let this one go. There's more battles out there to fight for than complaining about a flag flying at a monument. Go fight to get the young men to step up and raise the children they are producing at an alarming rate who grow up not knowing who their father is. Go fight to get the out-of-wedlock births down some. Go fight for the education everyone needs. Go fight a good fight, for a change.
July 15, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
MsPiggy.....Take the underground railroad and head UP NORTH.
LOL!!!!!!
Beware to any politician who tries to do away with the Confederate flag. Remember that Beasley guy???? No? Didn't think so.
If the NAACP wants MORE flag waving they should keep up this argument. As for me, I fly my flag twice a year. Robert E. Lee's birthday and Confederate Memorial Day.
The white race is under attack every which way you turn. Why is it that a group of people with slave ancestry hasn't been able to pull themselves up after 200 years??? Even with all the help the government has given them?
I am really sick of the black/white thing. If you don't like what's happening to you then shut up, get an education, don't get pregnant by 15 and make a good life for yourself and be an example to your race.
I will get my hardhat on for the onslaught :)
July 15, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
remmiesmom (anonymous) says...
I love it when they don't even know what NAACP stands for. So why do they not change it to NAABP?....oh, a little so on some things---sorry
July 15, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
Randy Burbage says, "They (NAACP) want me to respect their heritage, and yet they won't respect mine."
With all due respect, this statement is false. How can you ask the NAACP to respect your heritage when you don't respect it yourself! You let our state legislators use the Confederate flag to divide South Carolinians against each other! You should demand that they give the Confederate flag back to you because they don't deserve to fly it. You should advocate for H-3588, as I am doing with my takedowntheflag blog.
The NAACP is saying that we shouldn't fly the Confederate flag from Statehouse grounds because 1) South Carolina already flies a beautiful state flag -- the Palmetto Flag -- and 2) state politicians are using the Confederate flag to disturb South Carolinians and tourists. These are facts, and the NAACP is exactly right on these facts.
I strongly suggest that we pass H-3588. This is a bill that respects the Confederate flag and completes the compromise from 2000. This bill takes the Confederate flag away from our pandering politicians and gives it back to the people who love it, so that they can teach us about the honor of their heritage on Confederate Memorial Day.
Randy Burbage, sir, the bill H-3588 is the NAACP's offer to respect your heritage. It's a great offer, and, if you are really serious about respect, you should accept this offer. Do you want people to respect your heritage or do you want your beloved emblem to be a tool of pandering politicians? Seriously, please decide.
Finally, the 2/3 requirement is simply a legislative hurdle. A majority vote can remove the 2/3 requirement. Then a majority vote is all that's needed to change the law.
July 15, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
common_sense (anonymous) says...
Will the battle flag also keep people from Ohio, New Jersey & Mexico out of our state? If so, keep it flyin!
I'm just sayin...
July 15, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gococks1985 (anonymous) says...
The NAACP needs to get over the darn flag issue. focus their efforts to more important things like umm education.
July 15, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WinthropEagleFan (anonymous) says...
Lois_Lane, you said, "Leave our flag alone. If you don't like our flag, move."
Who are you talking about when you say 'our'? I thought 'our' flags were the flag of the United States of America and the state flag of South Carolina.
That being said, I think the NAACP's actions regarding the continuation of the boycott after a compromise was made is ridiculous, and it seems like this state gets singled out (for no good reason) when there are other similar symbols/displays in other states.
July 15, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
USC_Alumni ~ I do agree with your arguement about the KKK and other groups using what should be a symbol of heritage for their own hate. A very good point.
However, I am not misguided in my knowledge of my own family. I cannot validate the work ethics (or lack thereof) of other families, but I can my own. I do know that my family's employees had names, had birthdays, and were like family. They were not given a number. When they were sick, they were cared for. Their children were taught in a small house of the property alongside the farm owners children.
They had control over their own life and they chose to stay where they were fed, employed, educated and cared for.
Like I said, I cannot speak for all...but speaking for mine does not make me misguided.
July 15, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
The NAACP is not educated enough to go after more serious issues. As for most of their race being the ones in jail, or using medicaid/WIC, being unemployed B/C they do not want to work, and having more than 5 children to be able to draw money from the government. Nooooooo, they would rather focus in issues that really don't do any good whatsoever. Just makes people dislike them even more!
July 15, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southerngrace (anonymous) says...
it is so nice to know there are no other Black issues in this country that require the NAACP attention....get real!!! how about black on black crime, babies with no daddy support ( I think I am doing that :-) ), drug use, etc. what a stupid organization, someone needs to give them a lecture on setting priorities.
July 15, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cassique (anonymous) says...
Time to hoist the last flag of the Confederacy - the one Lee flew at Appomottox. It is a solid field of white with no markings.
July 15, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
"they would rather focus in issues that really don't do any good whatsoever"
Yes, education can be a wonderful thing!
July 15, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
The NAACP does need to go about this in a different way. It seems once the dust settles and we all begin to lick our wounds, they stir it up again.
But a very good move in a business sense. They keep race alive and keep their organization dollars booming.
By boycotting, they are drawing attention to it. This draws more tourists,journalists and boycotters (if that is a word). These peope come here and they end up spending money for food, gas, rooms, and more.
If you have a legitimate arguement, you do not need to bully people.
We as neighbors should ask them to take THEIR hate somewhere else and let us decide our own fate. We can vote.
The leaders of this are shirt-tailing the true black heroes. They are trying to poke at a sore subject that is trying to heal, that way they get a group of followers. They aren't doing this for others...they are using others for their own personal gain.
July 15, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
The choice of which flags to fly from our Statehouse (dome and grounds) is a defining issue for our state. Our state politicians apparently want us to be known as "South Carolina, the state that flies the Confederate flag in an attempt to make the state inhospitable." What could be of higher priority than defining our state's identity?
The NAACP is a civil rights organization that helps all people of color, including white people, brown people, yellow people, black people, etc. Whether they do a good job or not is interesting to discuss (they often do, and sometimes they don't). However, calling them stupid or whatever is uncalled for.
July 15, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
USC Alumni (nice Grammar BTW)
USC Alumni, You said....."As for the heritage not hate idea personally you lose that argument when you allow hate groups such as the Klan and Neo-Nazis to use your symbol of heritage as their symbol of hate."
You lose any argument you have when you back the ideas of Dot and her cronies. And I don't allow anyone to do anything. I believe that's called free will and freedom of expression. Or does that only apply to certain people?
If the NAACP dissolved just think how many people would be unemployed!!!! OMG...more government assistance needed.
SC has a rich heritage and history. I would hate to see revisionists wipe out all that blacks and whites have done to create such a beautiful state and country.
July 15, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
Hmmm, I wonder if we can reach 500 comments today. Already 100 by 10am? WOW. These people certainly know how to get people stirred up for the wrong reasons.
July 15, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sassee (anonymous) says...
The NAACP had a boycott on SC????? who knew????
If they TRULY want to Boycott SC, they should pack-up and LEAVE THE STATE!
July 15, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
What the hell, all of the fuss over a piece of cloth. Personally, I have never been one for symbols. The Confederate Flag means many different things to many different people, to many southerners it might mean heritage (and rightfully so). But To the NAACP it might mean hate (and for them rightfully so). I think that each side has the right and justification to there own interpretation. The problem is that either side fails or could care less why the other believes the way they do. If anything it makes our State look bad to the rest of the nation, but really personally I could care less. I feel that we have much more pressing issue than some symbolic piece of cloth. Yet, I don't see issue resolving anytime soon, so while bicker about its meaning and why it should come down, I will be watching on the sideline LMAO.
July 15, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
Shoelaces, basically, H-3588 is a bill that gets our state to do what you do -- fly the Confederate flag on Confederate Memorial Day. And Dot is explaining how our state legislators make her feel by flying the Confederate flag year-round. When our state flies the Confederate flag only on Confederate Memorial Day, she will feel much differently.
July 15, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Also, I do feel that many of the comments I have are racist in nature, and does nothing but introduce more conflict. This is just an observation.
July 15, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
cassique LOL - and I am a supporter of the Confederate flag!!
sassee...love your ideas too.
Are there any statistics on just how much this flag has "hurt" SC? any statistics on the damages to the economy the boycott (still can't believe it exists) has had??? Anyone? Anyone??
July 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...
tripsa--Good one!(and sooo true).
July 15, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
Gadsden: It should be noted that people can identify themselves as whatever they wish. I personally, identify myself as Black due to my mixed heritage. Many Caucasians have never been to Europe, Northern Africa (Say it ain't so: Africa), Western Asia and parts of Central Asia or South Asia, however, they are still Caucasian/White/Anglo. If a person of color wishes to be identified as African-American so what! I think by now, most people know that Africa/African is not synonymous with black. That issue is just as dead as the flag and is exemplary of the fact that everyone at some point has a frivolous gripe.
Granny: I think it was noble of you to do that for your grandson. But, have you ever asked him if the flag is an issue for him? Also you should note that the `majority` of the "pro flag" posters here are not interested in your story. These are the folk who love God, love their country, and respects anyone who agrees with them, but innately prejudges anyone who is not white/'tan'/'European- American':and southern.
July 15, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Okay first off maybe its just a typo up top but the 1st Stainless? No clue what that one is! The first National Flag of the Confederacy is called the stars and bars and looks an awful lot like the Georgia flag of today. The 2nd National Flag was called the stainless Banner and consisted of the Battle Flag (called the Starry Cross) in the corner on a field of white.
Please folks read up and don't use Jefferson as an example because while a great American he owned slaves until he took his dying breath - a real enigma that man.
USC Alumni - did you take any history classes while in Columbia? USC in spite of everything else has some excellent Southern history professors that you obviously missed - too bad for you. The flag was placed on the dome to commemorate the Centennial of the War - now there may have been a back story but at least understand and be clear before you sling stuff you obviously know little about.
Many of you need to read a little more history both the Lost Cause group and the Evil Southern Slavers group - you might eventually understand the issue is not nearly as simple as you'd like it to be. And don't read the historian's analysis of the time and the war, read the people who lived and fought and struggled during that times accounts if you want real history. Most modern historian are still pandering to a specific group to sell their books.
July 15, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
The NAACP moving the goal posts again. They should be doing real things to help for the advancement of colored people not harping about an outdated symbol of hate. Some call it heritage but it sure isn't my southern heritage. The south lost get over it and move on.
When Gadsen has nothing, normal, he calls people names, mocks their education, calls arguments he doesn't agree with strawmen to try and bully his way through and any number of ways to avoid someone else's idea as valid. Then he appears to validate the continued flying of the flag though it was originally ordered to be flown by segregationists. "Hey the segregationists did it, not me, so that makes it okay so don't blame me for the flag flying. I just support what it means so don't call it a symbol of hate." Oh the irony.
Coastie your argument made no sense.
Shoelaces says the white race is under attack but is sick of the whole white/black thing. So which is it?
tripsa Obama is dual citizen BFD man what does that have to do with the battle rag flying anyway?
My 50 Cents worth...your last line is a gem. Well said.
July 15, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
The NAACP, to most smart people, should not make people of other races look at all blacks like all we do is whine, cry racism on everything, etc. Only an individual can make you do that. Same thing with all the other stigmas placed on our race. I'll put it on repeat, they don't speak for me, only I can do that. Although a lot of these comments are drenched in ignorance and racism, why debate the issue? The snott has been beaten out of this horse, move the **expletive** on.
July 15, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
MichaelRodgers - do you really think Dot and the gang will EVER be happy?? Really??
They got what they wanted, it off the top of the capitol and in a different place. Now they want more. And they always will.
Dot and the gang....go take care of some REAL issues in the black community.
July 15, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
iceman1978 (anonymous) says...
The NAACP can boycott South Carolina indefinately and it won't change the situation one bit. I'm actually writing a book where I discuss the environment, energy policy and the war on terror and how the history of the Cold War ties into it. In one section I discuss the futility of embargoes and boycotts and why they generally are unsuccessful.
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Why Embargoes Don't Work: Ultimately the Arab oil embargo was unsuccessful. As petroleum prices continued to rise, the temptation for OPEC member nations to break the agreement became too strong. As petroleum started to clandestinely be exported, the Arab nations broke and brought the embargo to a close, and the United States continued to assist Israel as it had done in the past. The conclusion was that of the Arab nations not achieving their stated goals. The reasons for this are more economic than they are any other. This is not to say that embargos are ineffective, only that they are often not sustainable over the long-run. In order for an embargo to be successful, or a boycott for that matter; certain conditions are necessary:
ï § The embargo/boycott must not be instigated against a geographical region.
ï § It must not target an economic good with an inelastic demand for which there are no substitutes.
ï § It must be against a specific organization or company whose product has an elastic demand and is sold in a competitive market.
As some of you who live in the southeast may be aware of, the state of South Carolina has continued to be on a boycott list from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The boycott has been in place every year now for over five years and has been unsuccessful each year, regardless of whether or not they believe their intentions are in the correct place. The simple truth is that even if the boycott were successful it would create an economic overage in the tourist industry. Hotel rates would begin to drop, as would the cost of rental properties, the prices offered at area restaurants and at other businesses associated with the tourist industry. In addition to this, those who participate in the boycott would now take their money elsewhere, which in turn would raise prices in neighboring states. With prices falling in South Carolina it would simply be a matter of time before tourists would come back to what would now be a bargain state.
July 15, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
iceman1978 (anonymous) says...
Part Two: (It cut me off since I was over 3,000)
In economics there is a concept known as 'price elasticity of demand.' What this basically does is to measure the correlation between the changes in demand for a good relative to an increase in price. When a good is considered to be inelastic, it means that demand will remain largely unchanged even when prices increase. Such goods include gasoline, medicine, medical care, electricity, and goods for which there is no substitute such as water and food. Illegal drugs, alcohol and cigarettes also fall into this category. Companies which produce such goods, like the electric companies, tend to be subsidized and regulated by the State for this reason. Elastic goods would be considered clothing, soft drinks, and goods for which there are many substitutes. A boycott against companies which produce inelastic goods will be unsuccessful for obvious reasons.
The only circumstances in which a boycott or embargo might work is when the market is competitive and when the target is a specific organization. An example of this would be when various religious groups have boycotted clothing or retail service companies over what they believe to be vulgar or politically offensive forms of advertisement. Because the clothing and service market is highly competitive; the success rate of such boycotts tends to have more of an effect. It is examples such as these when boycotts or embargoes will have a better chance of success.
July 15, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
The NAACP did not move the goalposts. See http://www.scnaacp.org/html/original_....
The NAACP asked that the flag not fly because a flying flag represents sovereignty. The NAACP further noted that when our state flies the Confederate flag, our state "makes a statement about public policy that is an affront to the sensibilities and dignity of a majority of African Americans in the state of South Carolina."
So, the NAACP has been asking, consistently, for our state legislators to stop making the following statements:
1) South Carolinians owe allegiance to the Confederacy.
2) Our state government supports efforts to affront the dignity of African Americans.
The solution is H-3588. This bill respects the Confederate flag and resolves completely the two issues of the NAACP. It's win-win-win.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2...
July 15, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
In the past there has been the leak of at least on person identity for fairly vindictive reasons I would guess. Any school district in ANY state in which Shoelaces is a teacher has the right to know the mentality of the individual they have hired to educate children. I would pay money to have that identity revealed.
"The white race is under attack every which way you turn. Why is it that a group of people with slave ancestry hasn't been able to pull themselves up after 200 years??? Even with all the help the government has given them?
I am really sick of the black/white thing. If you don't like what's happening to you then shut up, get an education, don't get pregnant by 15 and make a good life for yourself and be an example to your race.
Shoelaces, you are a disgrace to all educators...especially white educators to whom color is not an issue.
July 15, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GOD (anonymous) says...
Learn to Love your brothers and sisters. You breathe the same unfiltered air, but you can't bring yourselves to see that all people are the same. Can we create a world where the LOVE for everyone ensures equality for all people. Look around, everyone is suffering. The man-made economy is failing. Who will save the world? Love is the answer. Come together now and make changes in the way you think about your brothers and sisters. You are your brothers' keeper.
July 15, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Gatorbait...what I am sick of is being made to feel like I am responsible for the ills of the black race and that I owe somebody something. The only people I owe anything to are my parents who worked their tails off to make sure I didn't grow up to be a whiny brat who expects everyone to bow down to what I want and complain about it when I don't get it. And I owe my children a PROPER upbringing away from those who don't take care of themselves and contribute to society in a positive way.
It's a flag....make it what you want. It has a place in our nation's history and in the present.
There are MANY things I don't like but I don't go whining to a group to fix things that aren't broken and aren't important.
As for Obama becoming our next president, I hope to God that does NOT happen.
July 15, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
It was written: "When our state flies the Confederate flag only on Confederate Memorial Day, she will feel much differently."
Yeah, you're right, she will feel different.
She, and others like her, will then feel the need to b*tch, moan and complain that South Carolina dares to raise a Confederate flag once per year, and how that doing so once per year insults her and hurts her feelings.
July 15, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekboy (anonymous) says...
Oh, and I saw at least one response that said to let them all go back to Africa. Well, they've already tried that once, and it resulted in the disaster known as Liberia.
July 15, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Does Michael Rodgers have a real job or is the obsession with the flag too time consuming. He had a website dedicated to Tipper Goar so maybe there is another obsession. Almost stalker scary in my opinion.
As to the goal posts "Now Be It Therefore Resolved, that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People at its 1999 Annual Convention reaffirms its condemnation of the Confederate Battle Flag being flown over the South Carolina State Capitol and displayed within the South Carolina House and Senate Chambers, and renews its call for the removal and relocation of the Confederate Battle Flag to a place of historical rather than sovereign context; "
Hmmm - historical rather than sovereign context - you mean like at a monument to CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS?
And don't throw up the next line of the resolution about the US DoJ because then you will get a South Carolina sovereignty lesson.
July 15, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Landbuyer (anonymous) says...
NAACP, first your name is a bit outdated. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Man, if I said "colored" today I'd be a bigot.
I'd really like to know why ou don't address issues such as crime, drug use, absentee fathers, unwed mothers, unemployment, poor parenting, the idea that people are entitled to a living while doing nothing, lack of education and other serious issues affecting the African American community. I mean really does this flag issue get Johnny into a job or college? Or, does it just put money in your bank?
Do something real to help your community. At least something we can see. Get over this.
July 15, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TarNFeatherEm (anonymous) says...
The confederate flag was the flag when SC left the union and the civil war started. Slavery was not an issue until a couple of years into the war. SO, the flag does not stand for slavery. If anything it stands for states rights. If any state should fly that flag is should be SC since we were the first and this was where the war started. It is a big part of SC history and always will be.
The NAACP is a racist group and they would all be out of business if they stopped stirring the racist pot.
July 15, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
The NAACP suggested that the Confederate flag be placed in a glass case at the Confederate Soldier Monument. Sen. Glenn McConnell rejected that suggestion.
The NAACP suggested that if the Confederate flag should fly to represent whites' heritage, then the Black Liberation flag should fly to represent blacks' heritage. Sen. Glenn McConnell rejected letting the voters decide in a referrendum.
The NAACP has presented many, many reasonable solutions to this defining issue for our state. They are not asking that anyone "sentence their ancestors to a reputation of shame," nor are they trying to "commit cultural genocide" on people who love the Confederate flag (both quotes from Sen. Glenn McConnell).
H-3588 is the bill that respects the Confederate flag and unites our state behind our current state flag -- the Palmetto flag -- year-round and honors the extremely important Confederate part of our state's history on Confederate Memorial Day. H-3588 completes the compromise of 2000.
And yes, I write a blog advocating for the passage of H-3588. http://takedowntheflag.wordpress.com
And it's dedicated to Tipper Gore because she was the voice of reason who was criticized from the right and the left when she helped the music industry and parents by getting "parental advisory" stickers.
July 15, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BigSargeofSC (anonymous) says...
"The flag (stands for) the ugliness we're still experiencing. I am in absolute support that the flag needs to go." - Dot Scott
Well, here we go again with the National Association for the Aggrivation of Caucasian People (NAACP) picking up the issue of the Confederate Flag. Lets see, now. If I follow Scott's logic, what logic she has, anything that represents "ugliness" should not be publicly displayed. Fine, but why stop with the Confederate Flag? Lets ban rap music from public air waves as it promotes openly gang violence. Lets remove all of the crosses from churchs and jewelery because the cross is, as the old hyme says, as "symbol of suffering and shame".
Want to boycott South Carolina? Good. Stay out and stay gone.
July 15, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
50Cents - You really don't know me so you can't begin to know about me as an educator. For over 15 years I have taught ONLY in schools where the majority of the students are black and are from poverty.
As for my comment about shutting up, getting an education, not getting pregnant, and becoming an example to your race...what is wrong with that? You can apply that to any race.
I teach my students personal responsibility. I know that isn't PC but it's what I believe to be right. I teach them to work hard and make their own success and not to depend on others for anything. I also teach them not to blame others when they are unsuccessful. Isn't that what we should all teach our children???
A disgrace to teaching??? What does being white or black have to do with my job? I don't see white, black, hispanic students in my room...I see children.
Enough for personal attacks....it's a flag. Again, the NAACP needs to check the list of priorities within its race and get them straightened out.
July 15, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KidYendor (anonymous) says...
As I have said before Scott has to get in the paper at least once a month. She was about due. See you in August Scott. We need white and black protesters to walk in front of their downtown office and get on the news calling the NAACP hurtful and racist to South Carolina, that would be cool!
July 15, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
Yes, the name NAACP is strange -- it was always thought to be so, from day one.
Yes, Dot Scott and the NAACP will happily embrace the Confederate part of our state's history. Here's an example, from Jesse Jackson, Jr.:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/p...
Please, if you think H-3588 is a good bill, and it is, and many, many people think so, write your state senator and representative to support the bill. Thank you.
July 15, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
[Posted by btelfare on July 15, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When looped ropes are showed to African American children to bring fear, I think of the Flag.
The Flag may bring memories of summer mint julep to some but pain to the children of the people who made them.
The Flag brings visual memories of lynched bodies to African Americans. We can not forgive the past and move on. This flag will cost South Carolina dearly.]
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My suggestion for you is "try not to think - But read up on your history"... There were blacks fighting for that flag as well as whites that gave there blood. The NAACP is slowly fading out thank God ... If there is any organization that is truly racist - IT'S THE NAACP..... Along with the rev. jesse jackson and the N.H al sharpton.....
July 15, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Hey Mikey,
Did you miss the part of my post where I cut an pasted from the NAACP resolution? I don't need the back story on who asked whom what or when, the resolution is clear and concise and sets down a specific target - did you miss it?
Just in case:
"renews its call for the removal and relocation of the Confederate Battle Flag to a place of historical rather than sovereign context"
Are you now saying the Confederate Soldiers Memorial IS NOT historical in context? If so we might need to pull down the Palmetto Monument on the State House grounds as well - you see it should be offensive to those of Mexican descent as that war really had no purpose other than maybe a little manifest destiny.
And do you have a real job or is the obsession enough? Folks you can really ignore Rodgers and if you need proof Google him - he's tried every tactic in the book to get want he wants. Now its Mr. Nice Guy who really only wants to give more respect to the Battle Flag by displaying it on special days. Wouldn't that work for the Us Flag too? Geeesh - try something believeable.
July 15, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...
Marylandguineapigguy -I absolutely agree.I am disgusted by Rev Jeramiah Wright and the likes.Obama sat in that church for 20yrs,touted this racist as a mentor,had him marry he and his wife and so on.And the Obama kool aid drinkers are following like brainwashed idiots.We have black history month,BET,black bike week,black miss America and I could go on and on.All of these things are VERY divisive!These events and groups were not started by the KKK to segregate.They were created by blacks.Imagine if whites created a white miss America?(it would clearly be racist!)Or my personal favorite example-White Entertainment Television (which of course would be called WET)I'm thinking that would have to be on cable.LOL
July 15, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
"It appears that Obama has no problem with it, due to his support of the leadership of Kenya."
By this, tripsa, do you mean the religion of Islam? What is wrong with supporting ANY religion? I do understand why you support Christianity; you are a Christian. I am agnostic, so I try to understand and support (try is the key word here; I sometimes get lost in the nonsense) any religion. I guess my question to you is: Do you oppose Obama partly because he may support his Muslim relative? And, if that is the case, is this because of your own religious views? Or your political views?
I know I get worked up about some topics, but this is not an attack. I am hoping for a solid, non-insulting answer here.
July 15, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
If it's a flag that's flying from a flagpole on Statehouse grounds, then it's in a place of sovereign not historical context, regardless of how close it is to the Confederate Soldier Monument. If you disagree, go look up flag in a dictionary.
The Palmetto flag is our state's official flag. It represents all of us. The USA flag is our nation's official flag. It represents all of us. We in South Carolina pledge allegiance to both. You can ridicule me all you want -- hey, have fun -- but I am advocating only for H-3588, a simple and respectful bill.
July 15, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Just another article that allows these people to spew their stereotypical views. Nothing to see here folks, keep moving along.
Does the KKK represent all whites? Why does it seem that people still feel that the NAACP is synonymous to blacks and all blacks' views are represented therein? Also, is crime, welfare, OOW births, deadbeat parents, bad parenting, et al only found among blacks? Well, it seems that many of the posters here think so. A very sad day!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
shoelaces,
Your comment implied that you were speaking to blacks because you asked the following question:
"Why is it that a group of people with slave ancestry hasn't been able to pull themselves up after 200 years??? Even with all the help the government has given them?"
And then you followed it up with this:
"I am really sick of the black/white thing. If you don't like what's happening to you then shut up, get an education, don't get pregnant by 15 and make a good life for yourself and be an example to your race."
If you are "really sick of the black/white thing" as you stated, maybe the person that should "shut up, get an education, don't get pregnant by 15 and make a good life for him/herself" should do so and be an example to ALL people, not just their race!
July 15, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
"As much as I love the N.A.A.C.P., I love South Carolina even more," said State Senator Darrell Jackson, a black Democrat from Columbia who has led the anti-flag forces. "I'm doing what's best for the state of South Carolina. Because 25 years from now, my sons will be rearing their families in this great state. And maybe they will look back and say, 'Thank God for the men and women who had courage to do the right thing, although it wasn't a popular thing."
July 15, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
puggles (anonymous) says...
OK-let's say we comply and take the flag down. Do you really think they (NAACP) will be satisfied? What will be next? Maybe reparations...hmmm
July 15, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
Shoelaces,
Let's not argue semantics. You specifically meant the black race with your statement and you are certainly entitled to your very obvious opinion. You were on a roll, why back down now? You put your profession out there. I did not paint a picture of you. YOU painted a picture of you.
You ~are~ a disgrace to the great men and women in the field of education who are white and truly see no color...genuinely love all children.
After what you have written, you make the statement "I don't see color:" such a cliche. Your statements are littered with racist overtones and divisiveness:all of your statement. So, by virtue of what you wrote, you have provided a great deal about yourself as a person and as an "teacher."
Agreed: The NAACP does need to pick and chose its battles.
July 15, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CNN_10 (anonymous) says...
I am so damn tired of this flag issue. We have other worries to deal with such as the decline of the dollar, gas prices, home disclosure, Iraq War, and who is going to be the next president of the United States. As a black man i personally do not careless about the confederate flag. To me it is a piece of cloth that has no bearing on my life. As for the NAACP what they should be talking about is
-Why are black men in prison at a alarming rate?
-Why the graduation rate in high school are so low in South Carolina.
-Why are Black men are not accepting fatherhood and are not taking care of their children.
-HIV/AIDS rate among black South Carolinians
Glenn McConnell and the Republicans in the legislature will not take that flag down. The flag is fine in it's proper place in front of the statehouse. Finally this boycott is a waste of time because people are still going to come to South Carolina and spend dollars.
July 15, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
Thanks, Lovely_One...Obviously you are the faster typist!
July 15, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Okay Mikey,
I took your challenge: Merriam Webster
Main Entry: flag
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Date: 1530
1: a usually rectangular piece of fabric of distinctive design that is used as a symbol (as of a nation), as a signaling device, or as a decoration
2 a: the tail of some dogs (as a setter or hound); also : the long hair fringing a dog's tail b: the tail of a deer
3 a: something used like a flag to signal or attract attention b: one of the cross strokes of a musical note less than a quarter note in value
4: something represented by a flag: as a: flagship b: an admiral functioning in his office of command c: nationality; especially : the nationality of registration of a ship or aircraft
I still don't see sovereignty in the definition. I looked at a few others and that word was missing in them too.
So now we should move the Soldiers Monument too as it is on the State House grounds and may have the connotation of sovereignty. You are really delusional aren't you?
Are you aware that the Palmetto Flag, exactly as it looks today, was adopted in 1861 as a SOVEREIGN flag for the newly independent South Carolina? Or do facts confuse the issue?
July 15, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geekguy2008 (anonymous) says...
Obama is the Antichrist.
At some point, The Antichrist will appear to be "killed", lay "dead" in the street for 3 days and on the third day, he will get up and walk away.
July 15, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sc_hokie (anonymous) says...
I agree with many posters that there are a lot of other issues that the NAACP should be worried about before the flag issue. To me the flag represents the heritage of individuals fighting for states' rights, which is still an issue today. It is true that one of the issues at the time of the Civil War was slavery, but as someone else already pointed out only 3% of the population even owned salves. If that was the only issue of the war, then the other 97% would not have been willing to fight.
However, I also know that many individuals in the past used the flag to promote hatred and violence. These actions have lead others to look at the flag and remember the violent acts towards their race. Given that a large portion of the population of SC feels the flag represents hate, I do not have a problem with taking the flag down. Bottom line is that I believe that everyone should respect each other's feelings and try to understand why each other has different attitudes towards the flag.
July 15, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Read carefully folks, this is exactly what many said 8 years ago when the compromise to remove the flag from the dome and place it at a HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE location was agreed too. I admit I supported that compromise myself, in spite of all the "this is a slippery slope" arguments I got back then. It's easy to admit now that, especially using Michael Rodgers as an example, those folks were dead right! We're standing on that slippery slope and some folks want to push us down it.
Write your Senator and Representative and urge them to stand up for the principles that approved the original agreement and kill H3588 once and for all. It isn't likely to be passed in our lifetimes but write them anyway to let them know we're watching. Don't let the bleeding hearts tell you what to think.
The flag may be offensive to some and for that I'm sorry. We should spend our time and money educating our population and allowing them to make decisions based on facts and not emotions.
July 15, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
My_50, you are quite welcome. I just cut and pasted a lot of it though, Lol!
July 15, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
OK? Lets get real..... Just how much damage can these NAACP protesters do to any one state in the Union? Or others period?
Maybe cause the "Watermelon Growers of America to go bankrupt"...
YES!!! I'm racist, white and proud to be a true southerner. I support the flag even though our governor sold most of us out. There is however one other state in the Union that still shows the true southern flag and as I recall - there has been no economic failures because of any NAACP protest or boycott.
There are people that have listen to most all there lives as to "race" problems and those to whom think that they deserve everything be given to them freely because of there color and what happen years ago.
I also recall that a certain celebrity "Cosby" made a statement that " Blacks need to quit blaming the Whites for there problems"... To me "A very smart, intelligent Black Man" and probably not very many left in this country...
July 15, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Archdude said: "I just heard PAPA SMURF was going to start a mass protest and boycott of any state that produces Blue Berries as they are reflective of a time when Smurfs were not free...it was years of Smurfs resisting oppression and urinating on the berries that has led to the modern blue color. After all, Smurfs were the first slaves and they even had to live in fungus.
They are perfectly fine with any state that produces strawberries or red rasberries."
Nut...lol
July 15, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
"There are people that have listen to most all there lives as to "race" problems and those to whom think that they deserve everything be given to them freely because of there color and what happen years ago."
Yes, and those same people (speaking of race, not necessarily the people them selves) have had things taken from and denied them for the exact same reason.
July 15, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
A flag is piece of fabric of distinctive design that is used as a symbol (as of a nation). When you're signaling a national status from your Statehouse grounds, you're making a declaration of sovereignty. It's not hard to understand.
Why do you want to move the Confederate Soldier Monument off Statehouse grounds? That's ridiculous. There is no slippery slope. It's time to complete what was attempted in 2000. The way to do that is to pass H-3588. It's that simple.
This is not a black/white issue or a SCV/NAACP issue. This is an issue for South Carolinians. How do we want our state to be defined? The question is not why should we take it down. The question is why we should fly it. All the reasons to fly the flag are satisfied by H-3588.
July 15, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
OldGaDawg is the reason why there is no need for a response, ignorance speaks for him/her. Sad.
July 15, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Isn't it amazing that as Civics got taught less and less, the Confederate Flag became a bigger and bigger issue. How about a little History/Civics 101. In the 1850's, we had the Fugitive Slave Law. Northern citizens were LEGALLY bound to report runaway slaves and could be prosecuted for hiding them. When the South seceded, it voided the Fugitive Slave Law, thus enabling the Underground Railroad to become legal, and ACTUALLY WORK. The South seceding severely HURT slavery in the South. Most Southerners in the 1850's (especially in Charleston) opposed slavery. In fact, the most powerful group that lobbied for years behind the scenes to keep slavery legal was the BOSTON ASSOCIATES (yes, THAT Boston). Secession had to do with the corruption within the House Appropriations Committee and how NORTHERN politicians were using slavery to fund their political careers not the legal status of slavery.
July 15, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
I don't back down.
I was talking about the black race with my remark about a group of people who are still struggling after over 200 years of "freedom." I know from history the evils of slavery and the struggles that followed emancipation. Granted, my family had nothing to do with the ill treatment of those who were enslaved. My family comes from Ireland...want to talk about that?? And I know it has only been in the last 40-50 years since we have had "civil rights" and equal rights. But when is enough enough???
I have only lived in SC so I can't speak to other states and the progress there. I only know what I see and have seen for over 40 years.
I "put my profession out there" because I think it is important to know that I do teach history to my students and I try to give them ALL sides of the coin when I teach. And my test scores speak clearly to my ability to do such. I don't defend my abilities...I don't have to.
And LOVELY, I should have said all races, since ignorance knows no color.
The situation here (in SC) does not seem to be moving forward with racism and people like the NAACP need to keep the flames burning in order to justify their jobs.
As for the whole race issue, this is exactly what this kind of story in the paper does. It pits people against eachother who normally would get along just fine.
July 15, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Come on Mikey,
People are smarter than that: "1: a usually rectangular piece of fabric of distinctive design that is used as a symbol (as of a nation), as a signaling device, or as a decoration"
Don't cut and paste use the entire definition as posted. Why lave out signaling device or DECORATION - as in decorating the monument of the men who died under its folds.
It is clear however that you are clueless to US and SC history (maybe some of those history professors in Columbia will feel sorry for you and give you free lessons). The flag placed on the Soldiers Monument is a copy of but one of the flags carried by Confederate Infantry units to identify themselves on the field of battle - it, as it flies, has no sovereignty or national connotations and someone arguing about it should know that.
Now if you do as some suggest, put up the First, Second or Third national flags - actual flags used by the government of the old Confederacy, you have an argument about sovereignty and nationality. I'd have a problem with flying those flags at the monument too.
It seems you missed that fact that what was started in 2000 was FINISHED then as well when the flag was removed from the dome EXACTLY like the request made in 1999 from the NAACP.
Did you read Daryll Jackson's quote?
Did I say it was black/white SCV/NAACP issue? I agree it is an issue for South Carolinians to decide. If you really believed what you're saying you would suggest a State wide referendum to settle the issue. Why don't you support that, where each and every South Carolinian could speak their voice?
And where is the answer to my question about South Carolina's Palmetto Flag? The facts are there it was and is most certainly a sovereign flag, specifically adopted in January 1861 for that purpose. If you're going to claim noble purposes about sovereignty and such they should be broad enough to be real.
July 15, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yeayea (anonymous) says...
Boycott that biker rally that always turns into shootings up there in Myrtle Beach, that'd be a start. Oh yea, the NAACP needs to take a gander at Mississippi's state flag before they come running for a flag that's just on the grounds of the state house. 3 words NAACP, LET IT GO!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PalmettoHawk (anonymous) says...
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
July 15, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Something to think about. At the time of the Civil War, and the subsequent establishment of the Confederate Battle Flag, approximately 16% of the white south owned slaves.
Groups like the KKK point to black criminals and say they represent black America, even though those criminals make up a very small percentage of black Americans.
Trying to connect the Confederate Battle Flag and slavery has always been wrong and quite frankly, very offensive. It needs to stop.
July 15, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chanticleer (anonymous) says...
My favorite show is Benson and I love Aunt Jamiama's syrup!
July 15, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halfsheli (anonymous) says...
tripsa -- are you saying you are not a Christian? If not, then why do you not come to the rescue of other religions as vehemently as you do Christians? There are many "rightist" Christians who are very critical, insullting, and dismissive of other religions and you never come to the rescue.
The point of my post was not to bring about a knee-jerk reaction or to make you think I was questioning your character in some way. I was truly trying to engage in intelligent and non-heated discussion about why you are so anti-liberal.
I know that you believe me (at least according to some of your posts) to be a leftist, elitist, radical liberal. This is not the case. Yes, I have many liberal social views. I also have some fairly conservative economic opinions.
Your opinions merely boggle my mind sometimes, and I was merely curious as to why.
July 15, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WestAshleyMomma (anonymous) says...
Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his own words!
From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should
the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
July 15, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
tripsa, your post is indicative of what I've said all along. The American Civil War was the most complicated war in world history. Trying to pin it down to the legalization of slavery is complete nonsense.
Imagine this. If a murder occured in the Lowcountry, and your best friend was convicted, sentenced to die, and was seen by most people as a villain, and while they were on death row, you came across evidence to clear them, what would you do?
July 15, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
MOTS said: "How is the NAACP any different than the Klan in reality??? (no different, just accepted by the majority of blacks)"
So, you actually think that "the majority of blacks" accept the NAACP? Man, this is worse than I thought.
July 15, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KidYendor (anonymous) says...
This story was not even on WCSC's Live 5 News at noon. I like Channel 5 OK but I hate the trumpet music they like to play going in and out of commercials. A live caller got on the air there last week and said they were "leftist." That was great. The staff is good and girls are pretty and yes the stories sometimes are leftist but without this story on at noon maybe they are tired of Scott too. We will see if it is on the evening news. I hope not though for all of our sanity and hope for our nation. Please Live 5, don't let yourself be used by Scott.
July 15, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
I meant to point out earlier how I love the way Obama is brought up on a lot of these boards and these stories or topics have nothing to do with him. I never see the same for McCain.
July 15, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yourmom (anonymous) says...
we are happy with the boycott because SC doesn't believe in castration
July 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
tripsa,
Just ignore that poster. Please!
July 15, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
There must have been a lot of us that clicked suggest removal. That was, in the words of Junie B. Jones, speed quick.
July 15, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Dang, what did James say?
Oh nevermind, I aint going to burn my eyesight reading b.s. Lovely, you shouldn't either my dear. :-)That horse has been dead and buried, and tripsa drank all the boxed wine at the repast that wasn't tied down.
July 15, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
tripsa, I agree, which is why I merely clicked "suggest removal" as opposed to giving that person the satisfaction of commenting on his stupidity.
On the other hand, I rarely respond to those types of things because, as the saying goes, it's not what they call you that makes you who you are, it;s what you answer to. I know I am none of those disgusting names it just spewed out, so I didn't answer the call, Lol!
July 15, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Tammie,
You are absolutely correct my dear, but it is rather funny that he did it behind the comfort of his PC. I wonder if he would meet with us for our RSA meeting and say the same. The place will not be disclosed here at this time.
July 15, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WestAshleyMomma (anonymous) says...
Nope, not trying to spread fear. Just pointing out that Obama, in his own words, is a bigot. And he will " stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction", which of course will happen based on many of his campaign promises.
July 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
I hate to sound like a genius but there are good and bad people of all races, in all states, and in all periods of history. There was never a time in American history where a majority of Americans were in favor of slavery. Unfortunately, apathy ran wild. People figured if its wrong and they don't take part personally, oh well. That shouldn't be hard to imagine in a country where so many men and women have given their lives for our freedoms and our voter turnout every election is so pathetic.
July 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Good thing I didn't read it then. Not that I would have gotten pissed, I could care less what anyone thinks of me personally 100% of the time, ya know? Like Lovely said, it's not what I am called, it's what I answer to!
July 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
I would like to thank the P&C staff for removing that disgusting crap as well. We really appreciate it.
July 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Posted by greyrider on July 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.
"I hate to sound like a genius but there are good and bad people of all races, in all states, and in all periods of history."
That's just common sense grey. Sounds good to me. ;-)
July 15, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
I am white. I have researched and taken a civics class. I understand the TRUE meaning of the flag. I am a public educator and I do not see color.
From where I stand, my initial thought is to do whatever with the flag. But then, I get backed into a corner and told I HAVE to take it down.
So, instead of going with the flow and not seeing racism, I suddenly see color. Why? It was thrown directly in my face.
Someone needs to start with a boycott of the NAACP and put us all on fair playing fields. Then, as neighbors, we can sit down and work this out. Each individual is just that...an individual. None of us should be represented by a particular racial association.
When I was in school, if you didnt get your way...you didnt go running to your big brother to handle your business. You stood up for yourself or admitted that you were wrong.
There have been so many highjacks of objects for racial purposes. The Confederate flag, the letter X, the African flag...
I know there are many here who may remember segregation, but dont breed a new generation of haters. Share your stories and learn from them..pass them on, but don't breed hate. I did not own slaves. None of you were slaves. Neither one of us owe the other a thing.
So if you are "pissed" that your ancestors were slaves. Good. Be pissed and then realize how far WE ALL have come. You never know, just because you are black doesnt even mean you have ancestors that were slaves. Also being white doesnt mean their ancestors were slave owners. We all came from different places.
July 15, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Very, very well said CMO4.
July 15, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drdcrimj (anonymous) says...
Does this mean fewer NAACP folks visiting South Carolina? Wonderful. That's a good start.
July 15, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on July 15, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"The NAACP is not educated enough to go after more serious issues. As for most of their race being the ones in jail, or using medicaid/WIC, being unemployed B/C they do not want to work, and having more than 5 children to be able to draw money from the government. Nooooooo, they would rather focus in issues that really don't do any good whatsoever. Just makes people dislike them even more!"
Wow, how the hell did I miss this most enlightened comment? This crap is DEEEEP! I didn't know that most of their [black] race being the ones in jail, or using medicaid/WIC, being unemployed B/C they do not want to work, and having more than 5 children to be able to draw money from the government." Man, you have opened my eyes, ChasCarolinaGirl. I guess I had better get on the ball if I want to keep up with the rest of my race. I mean, I already have the "more than 5 kids", the only thing I am lacking now is the "draw money from the government" part as I am on no kind of assistance at this time. Also, I had better start my kids and husband on the road to crime because they are not in jail and since most of "us" are there I think it's high time they get their butts there too. Oh, how could I forget, I need to quit my job too. I wouldn't want to be working when I don't have to. And I guess, I would need to quit school as well. There is nothing I like less than being the only educated black around. {end sarcasm.......NOW!}
July 15, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Oh, I need to tell my parents, sibs, and other family and friend to do the same also. I wouldn't want them to feel left out.
July 15, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
Yes, a flag is also a signaling device. That's why the NAACP has those two objections. The Confederate flag signals the two things I wrote earlier:
1) South Carolinians owe allegiance to the Confederacy.
2) Our state government supports efforts to affront the dignity of African Americans.
You claim that the current flag "has no sovereignty or national connotations and someone arguing about it should know that." This is ludicrous. The soldiers carried it to represent their struggle for the victory of the Confederacy.
If you can't decide which flag to fly, then we shouldn't fly any of them. Or we should just pass H-3588 and let the SCV choose whichever flag it wants.
The compromise was passed in 2000, but the boycott remained alive, and the NCAA instituted a ban. The issue was not settled. Sen. Jackson made a nice statement. I am proud of the accomplishment in 2000. Sen. Jackson doesn't speak for me. I would love to have a referendum for the people to decide.
Palmetto flag:
It's South Carolina's official state flag. That it was adopted during the Confederacy is interesting. I really don't know what else to say. It's our state flag. I'm suggesting that we fly only the Stars and Stripes and the Palmetto flag becuase those are our two official flags. The end. We needn't fly a third or fourth or fifth, etc.
Best Regards,
Michael Rodgers
Columbia, SC
July 15, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
cmo4,
Your comment was "DA BOMB!" sorry I couldn't resist. Seriously, it was on point and I agree with every word of it.
July 15, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
Are my girls being bad and picking on the dumb asses that comein one and leave? Shame shame. LOL
sorry got super busy here. going to have to read all the post.
July 15, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
I am ashamed to admit this, but here goes...
I swear I have never raised my children to see color! My oldest is in middle school and came home last year with a very off color comment. I went digging to the source (which ended up being a kid at school) and he said...
"why do they all act like we owe them something?"
OOOOh myyyy gawd! We had a long talk. I dont want him to let one bad apple spoil the bunch.
Okay..let the bashing on me begin...:(
July 15, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chucktonian (anonymous) says...
the NAALCP needs to go home.
July 15, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
WinthropEagleFan (anonymous) says...
WestAshleyMomma -
go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/... . You'll see that most of those quotes you listed are either not in the books at all or are reworded...
I'm not endorsing Obama with this post, but I feel that if you are going to say that somebody said something, you should make sure it is correct...
July 15, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
"The NAACP is not educated enough to go after more serious issues. As for most of their race being the ones in jail"... I'm free because I didn't do anything to land me in the clink...+
"...or using medicaid/WIC.." I have BCBS State, thank you very much.
"...being unemployed B/C they do not want to work..." I work full-time, go to school full time and still manage to pull off a 4.0.
"...and having more than 5 children to be able to draw money from the government." Hell, I need to get on the ball too, I'm 4 short! And I do draw money from the gov't, the state gov't, it's called a PAYCHECK.
"Nooooooo, they would rather focus in issues that really don't do any good whatsoever. Just makes people dislike them even more!"
Kinda like your post just did, huh genius?
Why did I even bother to reply? *sigh*
July 15, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Standing Ovation ColdBeer!
Tripsa
I agree with being a right wing wacko, but you are really tame compared to many of the super wackos that are posting today. I reading these post you start to lose faith in humanity. These comments could turn a saint into a misanthrope!
The reality is that the corporations, the real people in power, love these hot button issue like these. It distracts you guys from the real issues and while they continue to fleece America.
July 15, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Why did I even bother to reply? *sigh*
Tammie,
Don't feel bad, I kicked myself after I submitted my comment. But it was fun doing so!!!
July 15, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ccfirefighterchick (anonymous) says...
I have waited long enough to see if anyone would bring up the great point of the flags that are used by other groups. The battle flag is a square flag. It is NOT rectangular. The KKK and neo-nazis use a flag that is NOT a battle flag. Look it up!
July 15, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
guidedbystewart: "The reality is that the corporations, the real people in power, love these hot button issue like these. It distracts you guys from the real issues and while they continue to fleece America."
Amen and amen!
July 15, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ccfirefighterchick (anonymous) says...
Though often referred to as "The" battle flag of the Confederacy it was only one of more than 180 separate Confederate military battle flags.
The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag was usually square, of various sizes for the different branches of the service: 48 inches square for the infantry, 36 inches for the artillery, and 30 inches for the cavalry. It was used in battle beginning in December 1861 until the fall of the Confederacy. The blue color on the saltire in the battle flag was navy blue, as opposed to the much lighter blue of the Naval Jack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of...
July 15, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Those of you who look at people and see race...there is only one race. It's called human. WTF are you, a Pickapool?
July 15, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rebel_Yell (anonymous) says...
History is no place for state property? Come again. If the laws are not made under it (and they are not), it should make no difference. It took sweat, tears and years to get it off the dome so the issue is over. What's next? the old slave market, the hunley, the battery, fort sumter--just what symbol will be allowed to remain on state property to mark SC's history? The NAACP is simply asking SC to do what it cannot--erase history. They also refuse to take on other states with wealthy black urban populations like Texas and Georgia because of the negative impact it would have on those fine men and women who rolled up their sleeves and made a good living through hard work in the face of history. All the energy and time that is wasted on this silly issue.
July 15, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Mikey,
You should just hang out with Warthen more you two can pander to each other all you want.
As I have stated you're clueless - my guess is that everything you know about 19th Century military would fill a thimble. If you believe the flags carried by Confederate units political statements you're sadly misinformed. For that matter the flags carried by the troops up until the Great War weren't political statements of any kind as you suggest. You really need to study a bit if you plan on having an intelligent debate on the subject. Have you ever seen an actual flag carried by a Southern Soldier? If so did it make you wonder why the flag typically is painted with Battle honors and unit designation? If not, may you should. Have you read the solders accounts of their feelings for the flags they carried? That feeling followed Hardee pattern flags and Polk flags and any others that the units happen to generally carry. of course you likely have no idea what those other flags are as your obsession is single and poorly supported by hard, fast facts. Emotion is a wonderful thing for you but it can cause you tears as well especially if your arguments are based entirely on emotion or specualtion and not hard facts.
If your claims are the least sincere you should be offended by the Sovereign flag of South Carolina - the Palmetto and Crescent. it was that state that inspired the love and devotion that caused these men to fight and die - that and the flag that represented to them the blood of their comrades spilled in defense of their state. It sound almost too poetic but read their words, read their feelings - don't attribute meanings to items that just aren't there. Not surprised that you don't know what else to say, as it would require thought above your small petty self interest.
Our state Government does nothing that you suggest - again you're tilting at windmills. What it signals to our small view is obvious not the same thing it signals to others. Some signals are wrong and would be better served by education than the fluff you're slinging.
I don't have to decide what flag to fly the duly seat state legislature did that. they chose to fly the soldiers flag at a historically appropriate place on the grounds of "the people's house".
Where were you born in South Carolina, by the way?
July 15, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
Good point Gadsden
July 15, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
Ok,why is it wrong to take an extra 5 gallon gas can out on the boat? I missed that...
July 15, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I missed it what did he post????
July 15, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
LMAO @ CB. That is the kind of post we were talking about yesterday. The kind where a simple "scnative4ever is a stupid jerk who gets ignored" would suffice. But you take it that extra step and make sure he and everyone else knows why he is "a stupid jerk who gets ignored". Thanks, Coldbeer. As always your post is a wonderful read!
July 15, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Also, I just thought about another about NAACP boycott. SC is either 2nd or 3rd in black population (Louisiana was third but that might have changed since Katrina) behind Mississippi. If you are boycotting SC, are you not hurting the people you're trying to help? This seems like a classic cutting your nose off despite its face scenario.
July 15, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinamommyof4 (anonymous) says...
I always carry an extra gas can when boating! I figured you were supposed to. Seems better than paddling in my opinion.
July 15, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
localboy, or whoever you are since you don't use your real name and I do, I've been extremely polite, while you keep calling me Mikey, which is not my name, and keep telling me I don't know my history when I do.
Here's the story of the Palmetto flag, which dates back to 1775.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/studentpa...
I have absolutely no idea why you expect me to be offended by it. I respect all our soldiers from South Carolina from the Revolutionary period 'til today. The Confederate Soldier Monument is beautiful, and the words are inspiring.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/studentpa...
H-3588 will put the Palmetto flag where the Confederate flag is now, so it makes me happy to associate the Palmetto flag with all of South Carolina's history, including the extremely important Confederate part of our history.
The South Carolina state flag should fly because it's our state flag. We must fly only 2 flags from the Statehouse (dome and grounds) -- the USA flag and our SC flag. We must not fly any other flag because no other flag has any claim of sovereignty over any part of our Statehouse (dome and grounds).
If you want to fly the Confederate flag (whichever one you choose), or any other flag for that matter, from Statehouse grounds, then you must pass a bill that replaces our current state flag with the flag you have chosen. Good luck with that.
July 15, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UrGatorbait (anonymous) says...
Coldbeer sez: "In my experience, the only people that give a crap about this issue are the whackos on both sides of the debate. I'm a born southerner and could care less about this flag one way or another. The vast majority of people that claim to support the flag because of heritage have zero knowledge about the history of that time frame. The vast majority of people that claim to be offended by the flag also have no concept fo the real history of the time. It's an ignorant man's debate. The flag IS part of our history and as part of our history it belongs in museums."
Post of the Day
July 15, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roxydav (anonymous) says...
I have a solution; If you don't like the Confederate flag, stay out of the south. Southerns have as much right to their history as anyone else. People have the right to be proud of the flag and the country their families fought for. I live in Delaware and I am pround the my relatives left to join the Confederate army in VA. Yes I have Confederate flags and I am pround of them. Why should we have to repect the history and rights of everyone else and not the south. People really need to learn the true history and not just the lies we were tought in school before they can object.
July 15, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Gadsden,
Now do you see why they don't represent ME? That and the fact that they keep jumping on board with a bunch of non-issues to gain more media spotlight. I do not understand why the NAACP is not more active (or openly) active in the plight of ALL communities, i.e. crime, poverty, et al! Notice I said ALL and not just the "black community" because I care about the well being of everyone not just a particular race.
July 15, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CNN_10 (anonymous) says...
Okay i wonder to myself why black South Carolinians did not talk about the Confederate Flag since it went up in the 1960s??? And why this was not talk about since 1970s 1980s or early 1990s??? The NAACP always take a controversy and spin it around for their benefit. The people who run the NAACP will never have their black kids around poor black folks and will have dinner with the white man just for them to plan the next hustle or to keep having controversial issues as their focus of the day. As for the Confederate Flag issue this has been solved since 2000 by the flag coming down from the state dome and the flag is in its right place in front of the state house. The NAACP can stop with this protest because in the long run they are hurting themselves with this tired out rhetoric from the 1960s.
July 15, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
You obviously don't since you're simply cutting and pasting links. My 7 year can do that.
You make statements about the meanings and intent of battles flags that are just not factual. You keep claiming the "sovereignty" issue as the key point of your fight to remove the battle flag (no sovereignty implied or intended) from a soldiers monument and yet when you see (you did read your links) proof positive of a flag that was intended specifically to represent "sovereignty" over the US flag you don't see an issue.
And you really don't spin my words too well as nothing I said even remotely suggested that I wanted my beloved SC flag gone/moved/replaced. I'd be willing to spill blood to protect that if called to do so. This my native state and has been so for my family for nearly 300 years. I value her people - black and white and her history and her truth - not liberal spin.
July 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Damn it Gadsden, you had to take it there. I spit out piece of my Mr. Goodbar because of that last sentence! You are on timeout! LOL!
July 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
It is completely OK for you to be proud of the Confederate flag.
Please understand that the reason that many people today have negative associations with the Confederate flag has NOTHING TO DO WITH the honorable service of the Confederate soldiers, who did their duty, and paid the ultimate sacrifice.
People are upset today because our state legislators have hijacked the Confederate flag for their own political purposes in our current day.
I would love to pass H-3588 so that we take the Confederate flag out of today's political arena and restore its meaning as the flag carried by the Confederate soldiers.
July 15, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
WinthropEagleFan,
Thanks for posting that link. Unfortunately those that are putting those quotes out there will not read the contents therein and continue to spread their lies and half truths. I have not decided who I will vote for in this coming election as of yet; therefore I am not an Obama supporter (nor am I against him), I just don't like for people to spread lies and propaganda to turn people against him (or anyone else for that matter).
July 15, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
FOR NEWT & TAMMY....
Bring yourselves back down south --- I'll have the watermelon cut and waiting.
Old Georgia Dawg
July 15, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
This is a ridiculously simple issue: It's a question of whether or not you can count to 2, whether or not you know that SC is a state in the USA, and whether or not you know that a flying flag declares sovereignty.
If you can count to 2, if you know that SC is a state in the USA, and if you understand what flying a flag means, then you know that we must not fly any other flag from our Statehouse and grounds. We must fly only the USA flag and the SC state flag.
If you don't understand the sovereignty issue, well, check out the following videos and think some more about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwAsqR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1Gj0...
July 15, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Coldbeer, the reason this is a big deal to me is that everyone has their pet peeves and mine is that I just can't stand to see innocent people falsely accused of anything. Slavery is evil. You don't just arbitrarily accuse people of putting their lives on the line to defend evil. It's one thing to falsely accuse someone of stealing a candy bar from a convenience store. It's another thing to falsely accuse someone of rape, murder or being a child molester. Think about it. If the Confederate soldiers were really fighting to save slavery, that would make them worse than the slaveowners themselves. The slaveowners could at least use greed as an excuse. It would take an extreme level of evil in someone's heart to give their life to keep slavery legal when they had nothing to gain from it personally. Some people might say, "they're all dead and buried, who cares?" but I look at it as they are not here to defend themselves from these charges. Someone has to defend them.
July 15, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Gadsden,
Funny you say that it doesn't matter who I vote for. My husband just had this conversation last night. I told him I was stuck and he said he is leaning towards voting for McCain. I told him it didn't matter because we have the same two people running. As far as Lindsey Gramnesty, you damn right I'll be voting against his stupid azz!
July 15, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Hey OldGaDawg,
I know you didn't invite me, but can I have a piece of that watermelon, too? That happens to be one of my cravings this week. Sweet, juicy watermelon!
July 15, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
greyrider,
People are correctly accusing our state legislators of not understanding how to count to 2 and of playing politics with the Confederate flag. The best way to defend the Confederate soldiers is to pass H-3588 and commemorate their honorable and respectful service and sacrifice on Confederate Memorial Day.
Regards,
Michael Rodgers
Columbia, SC
July 15, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
Lovely One---
There be pleanty... Just Ya-all come on down.. We might have some fried possum as well. If'n you'll bring the Sweet Tater Pie?
Old Georgia Dawg
: )
July 15, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
MichaelRodgers, I can understand the "put it behind us" mentality, but to me, that would be endorsing the false notion of the Confederate Battle Flag representing slavery and/or racism. I'm old school. I don't buy into this idea that if someone holds up a symbol, all that matters is how each individual person "feels" about it. I think all that matters is that symbol's meaning for those who first used it. That's its true meaning. The war is over and the South lost. But the flag is part of South Carolina governmental history. I do agree it did not belong atop the Capitol, but it SHOULD be flown on state grounds, off to the side, in a place of honor.
July 15, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Gadsden, Lol we are so screwed! Man, I may have to go with the old way of choosing. eeny, meeny, miney, moe or the old close your eyes and point.
GaDawg, I am more of a squirrel and apple pie gal myself.
July 15, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
ColdBeer, my thinking is that there is a world of difference flying it atop the Capitol versus somewhere "off to the side" on statehouse grounds as a monument to the role it played in the history of the South Carolina State Government. To me, that's the issue of putting it on statehouse grounds instead of just in a museum, because of the fact that it played a role in the state government itself.
Truthfully, the flag itself is really a secondary issue for me. I'd like to see all Americans realize the truth about the Civil War.
July 15, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
For ............... Gadsden
I'm sure we can find a place to seat you as well ... May be real close to the swamps down here -- where you and the gators can get real good an acquainted with each other.
July 15, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sadjamesislandgirl (anonymous) says...
think that both sides should look back at their HISTORY! People where not enslaved under this flag. They where enslaved under the stars and stripes. The confederates did not adopt this flag until they realized they need a standard that was different from the union. Both sides where shooting their own solders. It needs to be at the Confederate Solders Monument or on the battery where the civil war started. The Sons of the Confederates and the NAACP needs to understand that this is a BATTLE FLAG, that's it. Only people make it personal. This is not the Swastika or a symbol of hate. Millions did not die in concentration camps under this flag. This is part of the US history. I think that both sides need to understand the transition on people of other countries, no matter what color, was a big commodity back then and I'm sure still today. Both sides are making complete fools of something that happened over 200 years ago. You need to focus on today's issues and forget about something that did not involve you. The people that use this Navel Battle Flag as a symbol of hate or the people that believes it represents hate are stupid and have nothing better to do. I am ashamed of this for both sides, white and black. You want to empress me, lower the gas prices and cut taxes and you both will be national heroes. Get a Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roxydav (anonymous) says...
What is wrong with flying the flag? Especially in South Carolina there are so many historical sites where the flag should be flying. People from all around the world fly their flag in this country. There is no reason not to fly the Confederate flag.
July 15, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
LMAO! Gadsden, I just read your reply to GaDawg!!!
July 15, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
greyrider,
With H-3588, we would be commemorating the honorable service and sacrifice of the Confederate soldiers every year on Confederate Memorial Day by raising and lowering the Confederate flag on the flagpole where it currently flies now -- on Statehouse grounds.
Imagine the opportunity for our state to come together at this amazing yearly event to learn about the true history of the Civil War. Really, H-3588 gives you exactly what you want.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2...
Thank you for your clearly-voiced and well thought-out opinions. Keep up your good work of defending the Confederate soldiers.
Regards,
Michael Rodgers
Columbia, SC
July 15, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Dawg,
Suh, ya think dere be 'nuff room for muh mista an' us chirren too? Dey luz some good suthen cookin'. Mmmm hmmm.
July 15, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
Gadsden
You might ought to bring more than a knife....
I don't believe you can move that fast.
July 15, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Coldbeer,
You are right. I will be right behind you in contacting the ACLU about this debacle! I am now outraged at how sexist the NAACP is being with the naming of their causes.
July 15, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Gadsden,
Ya reckon Dawg be tryna feed ya tuh dem dere gators? Sounds tuh me dat's what he be plannin'. I'm thinkin' you best not join us fer dat fine feast he gots planned. But wid all dem fine fire arms you got, it mide be okay!
July 15, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
Bring It Own.... You might bring some friends as well ---
.... We all can have a "Hell Of A Time"...........
July 15, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
Near my home in Columbia, SC, the restaurant Texas Roadhouse flies the Texas flag. It's cool to think that I'm walking into Texas when I go to Texas Roadhouse. The Texas flag implies sovereignty but only up to a point, because obviously the restaurant is a private business and subject to our SC laws.
Also near my home is the Jewish Community Center, which flies the flag of Israel. It's cool to think that I'm walking into Israel when I go to the JCC. The Israel flag implies sovereignty but only up to a point, because obviously the center is a private business and subject to our SC laws.
Finally, near my home is the SC Statehouse, which flies the Confederate flag from its grounds. It's cool to think that I'm walking into the Confederacy whe.... Um, wait a minute. Why does my state government fly the Confederate flag today? I want to talk to my state government about my issues today, not my issues of 150 years ago.
July 15, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PiedmontGadfly (anonymous) says...
Since the boycott is ignored when it comes to bike week; what can we do to encourage it's recognition next Memorial Day?
July 15, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
LMAO @ "fo sho"!
You sho is breeve, Gastin. Very breeve indeed. But, ifn' Dawg gots sum pigs fo suppa I think I wont be comin' cuz we dont eats poke in my house.
July 15, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
buff_o_rilla (anonymous) says...
They should be thankful for slavery, if it wasnt for slavery they would be living in some dirt poor country in Africa. Instead of feeling like they are entitled they should thank a white person everytime they see one that they are living in this country. Move along people, There is nothing to see here!!!
July 15, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
COLDBEER: "I'm educating him (them) though... it's s slow process.. and my efforts may be futile, but it's the best I can do considering what I am trying to accomplish."
My very reason for posting on this site.
Today though, I just didn't have the heart.
There are idiots on either side of this debate and to take my precious time and energy to try to 'enlighten' them was just too much for me to do today.
July 15, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Rodgers,
Do you think folks are really that naive or are you? Every year on Confederate Memorial Day there is a service at Elmwood Cemetery in Columbia followed by an event at the Soldiers Monument on the State House Grounds. See:
Date: Saturday, 3 May 2008 Place: Elmwood Cemetery & SC State House Times: 10:00 AM, Cemetery Service 11:15, Procession to State House 11:50 AM, Service at State House The 2008 Statewide Memorial Day Observance will be held in Columbia, SC, Saturday, 3 May 2008. We will begin with the Memorial Service at Elmwood, conducted by the ladies of the UDC, at 10:00 AM. This is located Off of Elmwood Ave. at the I-126 off-ramp in downtown Columbia. A procession from Elmwood Cemetery to the State House will begin at 11:15 AM and conclude at 11:45 AM. Upon arrival at the State House there will be a 45 minute service to honor our Confederate Veterans.
So you really think that raising and lowering the Battle Flag that day makes it more honorable. It is like Christmas all of a sudden. I might have been born a night but not last night.
The flag needed to come down from the position on the dome because it could have implied something it was not meant too. But to imply that placing it specifically at the Confederate Soldiers Monument on the State House grounds implies sovereignty is a ludicrous idea.
Folks might want to read Brad Warthens (of the State newspaper) blog and Mike Rodgers comments there before you see the kinder, gentler, liberal you see with all his "honest" intentions. I'm not your typical conspiracy theorist but first off the dome (okay by me), then off the monument, then the monument, of course Ben Tillman's statue will have to go too, Clemson will need to rename Tillman Hall, Hampton Street is offensive, Maxcy Gregg Park needs a new name, and on and on until we've wiped the slate clean of anything "they" think is offensive and hurtful.
July 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Gastin, sum hooch sho wud hit da spot rite naw, but I gosta pass on dat. Ya no I be carrin' a chile an' my midwife sez dat mite hurt the feets. I wud think it wud hurt da hole chile, but I gess the feets is very inpotent too.
July 15, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OldGaDawg (anonymous) says...
Gadsden'
Just for you -- when you arrive. I'll have the ass end of the possum waiting just for you.
Old Geaogia Dawg
July 15, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Snatch? Is that the movie with Brad Pitt? I will have to get it tonight.
July 15, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tammie (anonymous) says...
Damn, I go to the doc and Gadsden and Lovely are eating without me? Boooo...
MY KID CAN READ!
July 15, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
That there ass end is some good eatin' mek sure you save me some!
July 15, 2008 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roxydav (anonymous) says...
For Coldbeer.
Sorry about the spelling, that happens when I get mad about something like this. Southerners in are not stupid, but apparently a few are. LOL. I do know the answers to all those questions. I have studied history for many years. I have been to over 80% of the battlefields. I have an understanding of what actually happened that I guess you don't have. I went the the Confederate White House in Richmond VA, there was no Confederate flag anywhere because of the whinners. That is just one place that should have it flying. I don't think even you can deny that.
July 15, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Tammie,
There is plenty for you. GaDawg actually invited you and Newt first. You are the honored guest.
July 15, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
Okay, I am done. My "feets" is kickin' my insides around like his name is Pele. Good night, all.
July 15, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Thought I'd contribute to a potential record # of comments.
I must take issue with the statement that this is an ignorant man's debate.
There are many debating this issue who are quite educated about all the factors involved.
Admittedly, there are many who are not educated enough about the complete history of all the factors & so they are unable to form an opinion based solidly on facts or devoid of emotion.
So, I suppose I am saying that the "ignorant man's debate" comment was half right.
July 15, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
I am confused..
Are only blacks supposed to stay away...
or does this boycott..um, I mean girlcott, apply to everyone?
Wouldn't we call it a peoplecott?
July 15, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
A question-
How in the heck is the effectiveness of the whatever-cott to be measured? Especially with the overall decrease in travel.
Did the NAACP call for renewing the protest at this time knowing that tourism will be down as people adjust budgets to the soaring gas prices??? Just wondering.
Maybe someone already brought this up...I just couldn't bring myself to read through all of the comments.
July 15, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mrsmomofthree (anonymous) says...
GET A LIFE!!! How about we worry about our schools, the future of our children.....
The flag does not mean I hate black people. It is part of our history and heritage.
Find a real CAUSE!!
July 15, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
localboy,
1) Currently the Confederate Memorial Day event you described, while quite nice, does not have the full support of the community. If the Confederate flag is flying from Statehouse grounds for "one day only," well, wow, what a marketing opportunity!
Our tourism industry and our historical societies and our state government and our Columbia city government and our Richland County government would all work together to help the SCV have an enormous respectful commemoration on Statehouse grounds. I pledge to work hard to make it happen.
2) The State is my local paper, and editor Brad Warthen, Mayor Bob Coble, and Coach Steve Spurrier have all called for the Confederate flag to come down.
I have been consistent with my comments here, with those on my blog, and with those I made at Brad Warthen's blog.
http://blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthen...
3) I have always been kind and gentle. Thanks for noticing.
With kindest regards,
Michael Rodgers
Columbia, SC
July 15, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roxydav (anonymous) says...
To simplify matters: No one should tell anyone they can not fly a flag. If someone doen't like it, they don't have to look at it. I don't like seeing people walk around wearing drapes and towels on their heads, but I don't have the right to make them stop. It is the same thing, everyone has their own belief and things that are important to them and no one has the right to take that away from them. I am not saying that everyone should be waving flags, but if they want to that is their choice.
July 15, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
localboy (anonymous) says...
Boy that's a real group to throw around for credibility! "editor Brad Warthen, Mayor Bob Coble, and Coach Steve Spurrier have all called for the Confederate flag to come down"
There you are delusional again - the folks that come to CMD are the same folks that would come regardless of the pony show you pledge to support!
You left off "liberal"!
July 15, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roxydav (anonymous) says...
The NAACP wants their rights respected. Shouldn't they be willing to respect the rights of others then and not be so focused on what they like and don't like? There should be nothing wrong with government grounds displaying the American flag, Confederate flag for the states belonging and the state flag.
July 15, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodkarmasc (anonymous) says...
I marched with and supported the NAACP in their efforts to get "THEIR flag" off of OUR State House. (Althought I AM a white middle aged born/bred southerner.) It was a good cause and supported by MOST South Carolinians. However, to complain about the flag in a place of reverence and history on the state grounds is ridiculous. As many have said here, that CAN NOT be the most pressing issue facing people of color in South Carolina.
July 15, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wise1 (anonymous) says...
Once again, I am so glad I did not join in this organization. First, they boycotted to have the flag removed from atop the State Dome and onto the lawn, but now the whiners want it removed altogether. I don't care to listen to their complaints. LEAVE THE FLAG ALONE...DAMN!!!
July 15, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eatmorecollards (anonymous) says...
OK, take breath, sit back and listen to Dixie.
www.parlorsongs.com/content/d/dixiesl...
July 15, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPride222 (anonymous) says...
The NAACP won the debate last time when the flag was taken down and placed in the memorial. It's a memorial for those brave men who died fighting for what they believe in and I'm glad to be a proud descendant of Confederate veterans. These men didn't fight for slavery, which in fact would have been abolished in the south because less than 5% of southerners owned slaves. I understand that the NAACP sees it as a symbol of hatred and racism; however the location of the flag now is appropriate where it is and should never be removed.
July 15, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
farfallaspeaks (anonymous) says...
Oh no, not this again!
It's just a stupid flag. Who cares.
Every time they try to do something like this, a bunch of rednecks spread the flag everywhere they can.
I could care less if they burn it, or put it on the white house. I agree there are more important issues.
July 15, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DontSpamMeBro (anonymous) says...
Tell ya what National Association for the Advancement of Certain People (namely the race-baiters making money off the organization) - Take some action to cut the rate of shootings and murders of young black males by other young black males...say, by 60 percent. Once you have achieved that, maybe we can start a dialogue. Unfortunately, a piece of fabric flying atop a Confederate Memorial is more important to you than the lives of a generation of your young men. It's much easier for you to enrich yourselves via the straw-man of a Confederate battle flag than it is to actually "Advance" the cause of saving black lives.
July 15, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPride222 (anonymous) says...
Oh yes this agian farfalla,
its always going to be like this until the NAACP stops their complaining. so every person who has a sticker of the flag is a redneck? I went to private High school, and going to the Citadel in the fall, does that make me a redneck? Because im proud of my heritage, does that make me a redneck?
July 15, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
I seriously can't believe that this article generated a record number of comments.
Don't give the NAACP this much attention. That is what they want.
They aren't happy unless they are stirring up trouble.
Boycott? It's not gonna happen.
July 15, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
watchdog (anonymous) says...
The Flag should not be on State buildings, they represent all the people in the state, not a select few.
July 15, 2008 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Dammit, tripsa, I really liked those Friday movies, ya know.
July 15, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Lovely one I responded..
e-mail me back
July 15, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DontSpamMeBro (anonymous) says...
Watchdog - the flag is no longer on a state building. Read some papers other than the P&C once in a while :)
July 15, 2008 at 9 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sandy37 (anonymous) says...
The only problem with the Civil War was the South did not ship all the slaves back to Africa when it became obvious that they could not win...Think of all the problems this would have solved.
July 15, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
One last thing to the NAACP: blah blah blah blah blah
July 15, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love123 (anonymous) says...
America is a country of the free. The NAACP is free to boycott anything they want, even if some people may find it meaningless. Thats the beauty in freedom. What does concern me is a people that never stand for anything.....yeah the gas is high, but I haven't seen any ethnic group successfully put together a boycott that forced the government to even consider lowering the gas prices. It is SO easy to suggest what the NAACP should be boycotting when you have all this free time on your own hands to complain and do nothing and stand for NOTHING.....At least they are standing for something they strongly believe in. Just think...when was the last time you organized a boycott or even participated in a boycott for something you felt passionately about? It honestly hasn't been that long for me. I personally don't care where the flag is placed because it is exactly that....a flag. If it is used for heritage or hate, either way I personally don't care. BUT, since we are being so critical of the NAACP...if you feel there are things of greater importance in this country we should boycott, how about somebody formulate a group and stop making suggestions to a "relic" organization? Just a thought!!!!!
July 15, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UnoCubanito (anonymous) says...
GIVE ME A BREAK NAACP..ITS TIME TO GIVE UP THIS NO CAUSE FIGHT...WAY MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO WORRY ABOUT THAN A STUPID FLAG THAT WON'T PAY YOUR BILLS OR HELP YOU KEEP YOUR JOB....ITS TIME TO CAUGHT UP WITH AMERICA IN THE 2008 INSTEAD OF 1950'S
July 15, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
7green0 (anonymous) says...
If the NAACP should focus on more important issues, what should the rest of us focus on?
Here are two suggestions:
1) the black community should deal with the murder rate.
2) the white coummunity should deal with the meth labs.
I bet once we start working we will all see that there is much to do
Thats enough to keep us all busy for a while.
July 15, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Roget (anonymous) says...
The NAACP is not unlike any other organization in this country. It has a mission and a need to perpetuate itself in order to remain viable. But unlike other groups, they, by the nature of their agenda, are very polarizing. And while their goals and rhetoric are often controversial, they have the right to push whatever they feel. I just choose to ignore them. History will be the judge of their relevance. Ranting and raving against an organization only serves to support their belief in the need for themselves to exist.
July 16, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Early: Yup! Thank the Creator!
July 16, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Was the Confederacy fighting to preserve slavery?
Robert E Lee - "Slavery is a moral and political evil."
Case closed
July 16, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MichaelRodgers (anonymous) says...
The Charleston City Paper has an article discussing the 100 year and the 150 year commemorations of the Civil War:
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gy...
SC's Civil War Sesquicentennial Advisory Board was established very recently with this bill:
http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2...
Note that the Centennial Commission, led by John May, was the one that placed the Confederate flag atop the Statehouse dome in Columbia, SC.
http://www.scpronet.com/point/9909/p0...
Until 1961, the Confederate flag belonged to the Confederate soldiers. In 1961, our state legislature took it away from them and placed it in the current political climate for their own purposes.
Please, let's pass H-3588, so we can return the Confederate flag to the Confederate soldiers and provide for respectful annual commermorations of their service and sacrifice.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess117_2...
July 16, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
By the time I scrolled down through all the comments to the bottom of the page, I forgot what I was going to say.
Oh yeah, I agree with those who wish to keep the flag flying. Who cares if the South wants to be constantly reminded of the killing of over half a million of their brothers over the control of: ILL GOTTEN MONEY? A war motivated by the shallow greed to perpetuate an inhumane industry.
I think it pretty funny given the South got their "you know" what handed to them by the North and then suffered the effects of reconstruction for the next 100 years and arguably to this very day looking at our public school system.
Should have spent that plantation money on an arms cache before mixing it up with the North, the idiots, instead of big pimpin mansions, trips to France, iced tea and mint julep lubricated garden parties, or even better the rich plantation families should have shared more of the profits with poor whites of that period and maybe they would have created iron works and other industry that would have created the support needed to fight the Industrialized North who easily stopped making crap to sell to the pimps of the South and started making guns to squash the insurrection.
Some heritage but I guess it makes southern mothers proud???
The NAACP should let this blemish on our nation's history fester like an open sore.
July 16, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
See what I mean, "I think it pretty funny.." I was educated in the South obviously... LOL
What is also funny, is when you hear a white person who is not wealthy flaunt Southern Heritage associated with the war... Don't get me wrong, I think much of American culture is defined by the South; music, art, literature and just sheer style. The South has a character about it not found anywhere else however the average white citizen in America did not benefit one iota from the shameful insurrection and to the contrary suffered more than anyone else, excluding the newly freed citizens.
July 16, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lovely_One (anonymous) says...
345!
July 16, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justmyopinion7 (anonymous) says...
PEOPLE'S ANCESTORS S FOUGHT IN THE CIVIL WAR, THINKING THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR A GOOD CAUSE, WHILE OTHERS WERE FORCED TO FIGHT AGAINST THEIR WILL.
I SAY, KEEEP THE FLAG ON THEIR GRAVES, NOT ON OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
THE UNION WON THE WAR. GET OVER IT.
July 17, 2008 at 1:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...
Get over it? What? How do you get over history?
It has nothing to do w/ who won what war you idiot! Take your bigotry somewhere else b/c it is not welcome here!
July 17, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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