ACLU opens Charleston office

BKLYNIRISH (anonymous) says...

ACLU- Anti-Christian Liberal Union

They wouldn't be so bad if they spent more time defending the 2nd Amendment as they did the others.

July 3, 2008 at 4:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Riptide (anonymous) says...

Has the ACLU ever worked with the National Rifle Association to defend your second amendment rights? The answer is no. The ACLU does not believe you have a right to defend your property, your life or your family.

With the Supreme Court decision on the Kilo vs. New London; was the ACLU there for the small home owner in this person's fight for her property's rights against the city of New London. The answer is no again. The ACLU does not believe you have any rights to the property you worked hard for.

Two fundamental rights, the right to property and the right to defend it and where was the ACLU? The ACLU the legal arm of the socialist left in this country doesn't believe you have a right to property or the right to defend it nor do they believe you have a right to defend your life or the lives of your family with a firearm.

What do you expect from an organization that was started by a bunch of Marxists back in the 1920s.

It's not what they say but watch what they do.

July 3, 2008 at 5:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

vtsusa (anonymous) says...

Q: The state Legislature just passed an illegal-immigration reform law being touted as the toughest in the nation. What needs to happen to make sure that the enforcement of that law does not take away the civil rights of any human being?

A: There has been a huge growth in the number of immigrants here and that's created some difficult dynamics.

I don't think that as the ACLU we have been engaged with this issue enough to offer any answers but I can say we will be listening and asking for guidance and input from people around this state. Our goal will be to move towards fair and just situations.

ACLU = American Cival Liberties Union.... right?!?!?

Why would they even have to think about the issue, the key word in their name is 'American'! and fair and just for who, the illegal immigrants?? Big mistake them coming here in the first place, because whatever liberties law-abiding citizens have now are done and over with.

July 3, 2008 at 5:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lillycollette (anonymous) says...

All of the issues that the ACLU claims to be concerned about-ARE ROUTINELY VIOLATED IN THE FAMILY COURT.

It's time to put up or shut up.

Also see, http://www.charleston.net/users/lilly...
Comments by lillycollette
Posted on July 3 at 3:17 a.m.

July 3, 2008 at 5:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nonsense (anonymous) says...

The ACLU has played a big hand in the ruination of this country and its values. I wouldn't spit on any of them if they were on fire.

July 3, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

berthelot (anonymous) says...

Yeah, forget civil liberties, we have guns!

July 3, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

singleroni (anonymous) says...

well the devils lawyers have arrived in charleston.guess they will rep the serial rapist as their first client- wouldn't want his rights violated would we!!

July 3, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

5thGenerationLocal (anonymous) says...

Get them the hell out of here. that's the last thing we need is a group of retarded liberals.

The ACLU is evil to the core.

July 3, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nikkiP (anonymous) says...

Um, dear JohnQ2:

if we're so backward, why are you here? I hope you're not raising kids in a state that you claim is so far behind.

I'm getting tired of people attacking Christians. And that really has nothing to do with this article, so stop bringing personal attacks into it because you simply cannot find anything valid to say.

The ACLU seems to have it a little backward. What rights are they upholding? I don't like the idea of such extreme gun control while promoting NAMBLA. My right to own a firearm is in the constitution, and the reason most law-abiding americans own a firearm is hunting, or just to protect themselves, their family, and their property. There is nothing illegal about that.
Yet the ACLU defends NAMBLA. Who admit that they just want to have sex with small children. Am I dumb or does this make no sense?

I see them opening an office in Charleston as an invasion of these so called "progressives." I'm all for bringing things into the 21st century, but not into a liberal, socialist society. Into a capitalist, free-thinking society where the majority has the rule, not a group of greedy lawyers just looking to make a quick buck.

Seriously? NAMBLA?! How do you not get arrested just for being in that group?

July 3, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

coolfreaknbeans (anonymous) says...

Yeah a NAMBLA troll :)

July 3, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shoelaces (anonymous) says...

Johnq2 - if we are so backwards here in SC then why don't you go back to wherever you came from?

I love it when foreigners come to Charleston for its beauty, charm, history. Then all they want to do is CHANGE it to the places they left!!!! They remind me of LEGAL immigrants who have little to contribute but "ignorant rhetoric" on how bad it is here. Shut up, pack up, and get OUT!!!!

JOhnq - I have to admit to just skimming most of these posts but I don't think I saw anyone on your "side" today. Maybe you should call the ACLU...they wil probably take your case.

I started to apologies for being backwards but I am not sorry for believing in the traditions of the south and the laws of our nation.

I hope to God (that is until they tell me I can't say God anymore) that the presence of the ACLU doesn't affect me in the least. I can't imagine ever needing their services since I don't seem to run with the same crowds they represent.

July 3, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

Anyone that supports NAMBLA needs to be taken out and shot.
There is no possible explanation for the existence of just a group except for totally immoral purposes.
How can a country like ours even allow such a group to exist? Why is it not illegal?
This just blows me away that such perversion can be openly expressed.

July 3, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

All right, let's make this official:

I now call this meeting of the mutual admiration society to order. Johnq2, you are welcome to stay and take notes.

The Old Exchange?? Are you kidding me?? The Yankees and the Red Sox are best friends compared to the ACLU and the Founding Fathers.

Charleston isn't backwards. Charleston doesn't need to "get with the times". The times need to get with Charleston.

July 3, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

jq2, I embrace change also...the constructive kind. I would like to see a return to less government interference in our lives. I want to see a return to teaching sound morality with the weight of the Christian authority in public schools. I want to have a choice in elections between candidates that want to serve their friends and neighbors but cannot do so indefinitely because they must return to their own private business to earn their keep. These are just a few of the changes that I would like to see. The change from these things is what is bedeviling us now. I believe that more of that change similar to what you advocate will put us teetering on either anarchy or tyrrany. Don't get me wrong. I do not fear these changes and tolerate them regrettably well. Tomorrow, we celebrate a day made possible by a wonderful God-called group of patriots who could rightly stand no more tyranny. I remember them.

July 3, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ed52 (anonymous) says...

garbage by any other name is still garbage.

July 3, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

tripsa, you better watch your choice of words. I hear the ACLU wants to outlaw the use of the word "evil". It's too offensive.

July 3, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

The ACLU being discussed on the P&C website? It's going to get ugly. Newt, welcome to the jungle.

I support the rights of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, heck, even the Scientologists to publicly practice their faith.

July 3, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

C'mon - Graham Boyd vs Jay Sekulow - pay per view

July 3, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

palmettotree (anonymous) says...

At least in this state you can tell who they are by their license plates! Lol

I have one of those license plates. I mainly got it because I am sick and tired of the atheist telling what I can and can not have on any public surface. Didn't the ACLU help in this? The ACLU can kiss my southern but! They don't provide any help to the REAL people of AMERICA. They only want to help illegals, atheist and other minorities. Why can't they help out Christians, the poor who are being kicked out of their apartments, the people who are losing their homes due to bad mortgage lending practices. I don't see that.
Coldbeer, mouth and you others God Bless You All!!

July 3, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

marriott99 (anonymous) says...

Graham Boyd would do well not to stray to far off the peninsula.

July 3, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

drp7773 (anonymous) says...

The Mayor, religious leaders, civil right leaders..Opening their arms up to folks that want your kids to be raped either by Nambla or over nights out in the woods with Gay Boy Scout leaders. No prayer in school or before a football game but you can give advise on how to rape children.mmmmm Are these the leaders you want to keep voting in office, or to be your religious leaders ????? Where is the outrage by this paper and the clergy that really do care...

July 3, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lovely_One (anonymous) says...

Damn, tripsa, that is who I was trying to remember. Yes, he looks exactly like RC!!!!

July 3, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

Newt - I'm even OK with an invocation; just keep it non-denominational. Can't there be inclusion?

Newt, I agree. Let's face it. The Founding Fathers (remember, the guys who wrote the Constitution) always opened official government meetings with prayer. Because the very same people who wrote the Constitution opened official meetings with prayer should make it a no-brainer that this practice IS Constitutional. However, this was done at a time when approximatley 95% of government leaders were practicing Christians. Today, most Americans do believe in one God or another, so although prayer should obviously still be considered Constitutional, I agree it should be non-denominational, asking for "God's blessing" but letting the interpretation of who that God is be left open for all present to consider it to be to their God.

July 3, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BlueGrits (anonymous) says...

The only one with a brain for reasoned discourse is JQ2.

JQ2-- You'd do better banging your head against a wall than to argue with the pack mentaility of kristofascist sychophants-..

You can't teach pigs to fly when their only ability is to wallow in slop.

July 3, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

As far as guns go, that's easy. I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't suprise me. I once read that over 50% of violent crimes in America are committed by people with previous felony convictions, who are only walking the streets because they either plea bargained for a lesser charge (and sentence), they are on parole, or they are awaiting trial for another crime. It takes far too long for violent criminals to go to trial, bail is too low, sentences are too short, and if you don't take a swing at the parole board, they set you free.

July 3, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

number1volsfan1 (anonymous) says...

Ultra liberal organizations like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, MoveOn.Org, et al; are the reason criminals are returned into society, killing babies is socially accepted, and protection of these murderers within the justice system is the norm.

GOD help us all!

July 3, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

tripsa, was that clip from the NRA's "Never Again" video about New Orleans?

July 3, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChrisPia (anonymous) says...

There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. There were 48 signers of the Articles of Confederation. All 55 delegates who participated in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are regarded as Founding Fathers, in fact, they are often regarded as the Founding Fathers because it is this group that actually debated, drafted and signed the U.S. Constitution, which is the basis for the country's political and legal system. Only 39 delegates actually signed the document, however, meaning there were 16 non-signing delegates - individuals who were Constitutional Convention delegates but were not signers of the Constitution.

There were 95 Senators and Representatives in the First Federal Congress. If one combines the total number of signatures on the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution with the non-signing Constitutional Convention delegates, and then adds to that sum the number of congressmen in the First Federal Congress, one obtains a total of 238 "slots" or "positions" in these groups which one can classify as "Founding Fathers" of the United States. Because 40 individuals had multiple roles (they signed multiple documents and/or also served in the First Federal Congress), there are 204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following:

- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress

The religious affiliations of these individuals are summarized below. Obviously this is a very restrictive set of names, and does not include everyone who could be considered an "American Founding Father." But most of the major figures that people generally think of in this context are included using these criteria, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and more.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

95% percent ?

July 3, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

ChrisPia, I should have clarified, it was 95-96% if you only included the Declaration signers, although your numbers of ALL those considered Founding Fathers is accurate. It's interesting to note that Ben Franklin was a strong advocate of starting meetings with prayer.

July 3, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

"Very pretty....but can they fight?"

July 3, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

Newt, your rendition of Franklin's EARLY life is very accurate. However, that all changed later in his life. A major influence was Franklin's friendship with Great Awakening evangelist George Whitfield, of who Franklin once said, "he hasn't converted me yet, but who knows"

And then on June 28, 1787, at the Constitutional Convention, Franklin gave the following speech:

In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service.

July 3, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeff61 (anonymous) says...

Self-injury (SI) is defined as any intentional injury to one's own body. This disorder also is called self-harm or self-mutilation. Usually, self-injury leaves marks or causes tissue damage. Self-injury can involve many different behaviors such as bending one's figure back which causes bone-breaking.

Self-injury can occur in any race of people. The behavior is not limited by education, age, socioeconomic status, or religion. However, there are some common factors among people who engage in self-injury. Self-injury occurs more often among who are Interim executive directors of the ACLU.

Self-injury usually occurs when Interim executive directors of the ACLU face what seems like overwhelming or distressing feelings. Self-injury also might be a reflection of a person's self-hatred. Some self-injurers are punishing themselves for having strong feelings that they were usually not allowed.

Therapy can be used to help a person stop engaging in self-injury. Cognitive-behavioral therapy might be used to help an individual learn to recognize and address triggering feelings in healthier ways.

The prognosis (chance of recovery) for Interim executive directors of the ACLU who engage in self-injury varies depending upon a person's emotional or psychological state and length of association with the ACLU.

July 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

redman1959 (anonymous) says...

JohnQ, I take it from your writing that you indeed were at the ACLU festivities. My only question is, were you there on payroll or volunteer?

July 3, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

The_Mouth_of_the_South, I think you may be right.
Doesn't this jerkwad understand that he is outnumbered on these threads for a reason?

July 3, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bigwhip (anonymous) says...

Wow! just finished perusing all the posts. As usual there are some inane comments, some humor, and the normal bashing. Hell, bluegrits & johnq2, the ACLU protects the right of people to voice an opinion. Let's face it; this not a group that would be invited to a family gathering in most cases. JQ2 you started all the bashing by your post. You and bluegrits should run on down there and apply for a job as a toady for Boyd.look at Boyd's travels, you know what a warped sense of values he must.

July 3, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dr_fed (anonymous) says...

I love this. Thank you ACLU for moving to SC. We need you to protect us from all the Jesus Freaking Christians here who want to shove their religion down our throats.

July 3, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Anonym0us (anonymous) says...

Awesome. Thank fukking $DEITY I don't live in this backwards state. You republicun.ts need to wake up and realize A) what the ACLU does, B) NAMBLA no longer exists, C) the ACLU protects the Bill of Rights. Something none of you can recite other than the second.

July 3, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Lovely_One (anonymous) says...

Gadsden: "anonymous must be Qball's retarted sister-wife who he put up to getting an P&C account so he wouldn't feel sooo lonely."

Now that was the funniest shyt I read all day!!!

July 3, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bkeelin (anonymous) says...

tripsa,

That video was another demonstration of what can happen in America if we don't stand up to liberal whacko's.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/arti...

Dear God, send revival for I believe it is the only thing that can save this great nation of ours. Send it quickly.

July 3, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BlueGrits (anonymous) says...

The ACLU is a far better protector of the constitution then any right wing gun lobby or any other right wing action group.

The ACLU looks to protect the whole document, not just the cherry picked parts such as the second amendment..

July 3, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

drp7773 (anonymous) says...

Does this guy look like that nerd in the return of the nerds movie..might just be my eyes.....just needs the pocket pen holder .

July 3, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

GG (anonymous) says...

Tripsa- HA! HA! Great job in revealing the true phony this JQ2 guy is.

I have read several of his comments over the past, and I truly believe he is some high school student who spends too much time on his computer. If he isn't still in high school, he probably was a goth when he was. I just sense that from the way his comments are so negative all the time.

July 3, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

GOP10 (anonymous) says...

Within the past two weeks, two of the biggest scumbag organizations have come to town. Planned Parenthood, with their racist policies and agendas, and now the blatantly left-wing ACLU. This is a big, stinking mess! Just some more trash from up north for Charlestonians to have to deal with.

July 3, 2008 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LarryCarterCenter (anonymous) says...

The American Civil Liberties Union calls people to know their rights and shows remedies when we are harmed.
The ACLU has done such a good job that opponents from all directions, left/right/center & irrational don't like the freedom's work these last 9 decades.
Very few politicians, legislators, jurists or administrators actually read aloud the US Constitution which all are sworn to uphold. Accordingly the ACLU is there to steer them back to lawful governance.
Every citizen can read aloud the US Constitution, it's just a handful of pages long. Better that than praying to the flag & establishing the religion of theocracy itself. When McCarthyism & personal political attacks are exposed as anaethema to our Constitution, civil discourse & freedom can ring. Let freedom ring. Liberty bells, not the hell of theocracy.

July 4, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LarryCarterCenter (anonymous) says...

about the 20th poster above lied about the entirety of an Oregon case.... of course the perpetrator of such propaganda did not mention that an Oregon woman traveled to Kansas to murder a gynecologist. Such involvement of what I call "tampon terrorists" who insanely call fertilized human ovum: "babies" make zealots for zygotes perfectly prosecutable under RICO. It is not freedom of speech to harass and intimidate women at clinics nor murder their nurses & doctors & stalk them & bomb them. Once again, enemies of civility claim some great "good" like "babies" when exaggeration & lies are their tools. Religious extremists & fascists for corporations to control us all hate the ACLU because American Civil Liberties Unite all freedom loving people against the mandatory pregnancy law jack boots who'd have the government own every ovary & every uterus for breeding purposes so that every unwanted embryo can grow up to be a stupid soldier to get killed for oil company profiteering. That's corporation fascism for you, hides behind religion & real terror against free women.

July 4, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Riptide (anonymous) says...

Every organization has a mission statement and the ACLU is no different. This organization was founded by Roger Baldwin a Marxist and has been supported by Marxists every since. Sure you may find a lawyer in the ACLU that is a liberal do-gooder but the lawyers that control that organization are hard core Marxist dedicated to the destruction of our culture. The guiding principles of Marxism is the ultimate destruction of the free enterprise system, the family, and religion.

In 1934 Baldwin authored a piece titled "Freedom in the USA and the USSR." He wrote: "The class struggle is the central conflict of the world; all others are incidental. When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies at home and abroad. I dislike it in principle as dangerous to its own objects. But the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world. : [There] I saw ... fresh, vigorous expressions of free living by workers and peasants all over the land. And further, no champion of a socialist society could fail to see that some suppression was necessary to achieve it. It could not all be done by persuasion. : [I]f American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept 'workers' democracy' as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept - regretfully, of course - the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done."

With the constant attacks on Christianity, the global warming hoax, the illegal alien issue, the erosion of our property rights, our right to defense, a fifth column of Islamic terrorists in this country and giving them rights, is it any wonder our culture and our way of life is going down the tubes from the likes of lawyers from the ACLU.

July 5, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

chas_chat (anonymous) says...

Here is an interesting quote from the founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin: "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately the abolishing of the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." (written in his 1935 Harvard U class book). The ACLU is only interested in protecting and upholding the civil liberties that promote their secular, communist agenda.

July 5, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

drp7773 (anonymous) says...

You can thank the pinko Judges and gutless lawyers for this piece of garbage organization to exists....

July 5, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )