Candidates woo state's many undecided voters

By Robert Behre
The Post and Courier
Thursday, January 17, 2008



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GOP presidential hopeful and former Massachusetts' governor Mitt Romney (left), is joined by U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., former South Carolina Gov. Jim Edwards and Cindy Costa, a Republican National Committeewoman and James Island resident, as he addresses supporters in Charleston Wednesday.

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Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee greets supporters at The Citadel's Alumni Center on a rainy Wednesday evening.

As a new poll shows one in three South Carolina Republicans still undecided just a few days before Saturday's presidential primary, the four leading candidates criss-crossed the state to court that potentially deciding slice of the pie.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney campaigned along the coast, including a mid-afternoon stop in Charleston, while former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee held a rally at The Citadel on Wednesday night to wrap up his day.

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson campaigned at several stops across the state, but his schedule doesn't include a return trip to the coast. Arizona Sen. John McCain also is concentrating on the Midlands and Upstate in the next few days but plans to cap his South Carolina swing with a rally at Patriots Point on Friday afternoon.

Their efforts come after Romney's Michigan win Tuesday rescrambled the GOP race here, a race that already was wide open. A Clemson University poll conducted between Jan. 9 and 15 found that 36 percent of voters who had voted in at least one of the past four Republican primaries said they are following the news but remain undecided.

That type of voter seemed to be embodied by

Sherrie Tallent of Johns Island, who met Huckabee Wednesday and liked his position on defending the U.S. Border Patrol. Asked if she would vote for Huckabee, she hesitated.

"If I could take a piece of all the Republican candidates and put them together, we'd have the perfect candidate," she said.

The same poll confirmed that McCain has the edge here, but with only 29 percent. Huckabee got 22 percent; Romney 13 percent; Thompson 10 percent.

The up-for-grabs nature of the race was underscored by two factors: 17 percent of those responding to the poll said that if the election were held today, they would still be undecided; and nearly half who named a candidate said they could change their mind. The sample included 450 voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percent.

About 200 Romney supporters and onlookers gathered at the Seabreeze Office Building for an hour Wednesday to await his arrival.

"I'm hearing wherever I go that Washington is broken," Romney said, ticking off illegal immigration, Social Security, pork-barrel spending, health-care costs and middle-class taxes as evidence. He vowed to strengthen the economy by keeping taxes down, by investing in new technology and by halting illegal immigration but encouraging legal immigration.

Huckabee spoke for 30 minutes to a crowd of about 200 at The Citadel and drew a big cheer from Fair Tax supporters when he talked about the need to get rid of the IRS.

He also criticized Washington for not being able to track immigrants, noting that about half of the nation's 12 million illegal immigrants arrived legally only to overstay their welcome, but all of the 9/11 hijackers also entered legally. He wondered why the federal government couldn't track them while Amazon.com could track a book he orders from the warehouse to his doorstep.

With Thompson's campaign riding on this state's primary, he continued to hammer away Wednesday at every contender in this early voting state, including Hillary Clinton.

While campaigning in Spartanburg, McCain sharply defended his opposition eight years ago to the flying of the Confederate battle flag over the S.C. Statehouse, brushing aside protests that dogged him at campaign events and suggesting most people in the state don't want the issue reopened.

Meanwhile, some candidates also had their friends at work. Stumping for McCain, his friend and colleague on the armed services committee, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent Democrat from Connecticut, drew about 75 people to Brith Sholom Beth Israel Orthodox Synagogue on Wednesday morning.

Addressing the mostly Jewish gathering, Lieberman said the human dignity and rule of law that have made the United States great are today under threat from "Islamist extremist fundamentalism." He argued that McCain is the best man to become the next president during this time of war.

Adam Parker and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

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shelby (anonymous) says...

Guess what Mike Huckabee has in common with Hillary Clinton?!

THEY BOTH MADE JUDICIAL WATCH'S 2007 LIST OF MOST CORRUPT POLITICIANS !

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial...
list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

Please don't vote for Mike Huckabee!

January 17, 2008 at 5:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

shelby (anonymous) says...

Please don't vote for Mike Huckabee! Learn more about this unethical man at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huc...

"On December 26, 2007 the conservative organization Judicial Watch announced that Mike Huckabee was named to its list of Washington's "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2007. They state that Huckabee, as governor, was the subject of "14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor's office." Judicial Watch further accused Huckabee of attempting to block the state ethics commission's investigations of the allegations."

January 17, 2008 at 5:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

If the BOB JONES CULT is for Mitt Romney then I'm for Huckabee!
I'm not voting for McCain because of his stand on the amnesty bill he and our senator tried to force down the american peoples collective throats. He doesn't deserve to win SC. If he wins the nomination, I would vote for him in a general election but not in SC. We need to send him a message right here right now. We, in SC, didn't appreciate it. Don't let him off the hook SC!

January 17, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Rich_Hamlin (anonymous) says...

A bigger issue with McCain is his support of embryonic stem cell research. How this squares with his anti-abortion stance is beyond me, unless it is entirely reducible to what is politically expedient.

January 17, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

TReid (anonymous) says...

If a person who may be elected to the Presidency would allow his or her personal religous dogmas (whatever they may be) to unduely influence his ability to uphold the Consitituion, every civic minded voter should become aware of it. As any non-mormon who lives in Utah can tell you, Devout mormons, in general, cannot seperate their religious dogmas from the laws their are sworn to uphold. As shown by this recent investigation by the Salt Lake Tribune on a former Utah Governor this occurs even at that high level of state goverment. Those voting for the leader of the free world need to consider the risk that this could occur if Romney is elected president

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7840906

January 17, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

nesseca (anonymous) says...

Way to go Post and Courier for including ALL the Republican candidates on the front page (pssst...you forgot Ron Paul).

January 17, 2008 at 7:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bkeelin (anonymous) says...

Mike Huckabee is the only candidate with the moral character strong enough to withstand the political pressures of the White House. He became Gov because his predessor was indicted on corruption charges related to the former democrat gov. mr. clinton. Huckabee was fighting corruption on every front even in the legislature which was more than 90% democrat and they were going after him with everything they had and nothing stuck. John "Amnesty" McCain is more democrat than republican, he is being seduced by the dark side. He might make a decent Sec of Defense for Huckabee but he has been up there for decades and made no significant reforms and the condition of Wahsington is worse now than it was when he got there so I don't see giving him four more years as an answer to this countries leadership problems. Huckabee can reach out to independent voters without alienating the core republican base. That is what we need in November and that is what we need in the White House. His strong stance on Border Control and "peace through strenth" defense strategy is the right track to bring this country back to the Americans who live here and quit giving it over to foreign governments and illegal immigrants.

January 17, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

gcmadness (anonymous) says...

Before I listened to someone (TReid) bash Mitt Romney simply because he's mormon, I would prefer to hear from a resident of the state of MA. They are the only people who can give us all true insight as to how/if he allowed his mormon faith to influence policies/decisions he made as governor. I feel that most of you out there make your choices based on facts, and not some scare tactic.

January 17, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

2001to5930 (anonymous) says...

JohnQ = Atheist, Democrat, etc...sad.

January 17, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

webwe (anonymous) says...

I sure wouldn't trust the polls after New Hampshire they also showed McCain with an edge in Michigan and he got blown away by Romney.

January 17, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...

JohnQ, please don't respond to Republican hatred, it is interesting that the Christian Republicans are so quick to judge and name call.
I am a born-again Christian, and a Democrat. I feel poverty, taking care of the environment (God's gift to us), and education are my top priorities as a Christian, AND in a presidential candidate. We should see each other as Christians first, then political parties.

On a side note,
I will vote Democrat no matter what, and haven't kept up too much with the Republicans, but I have to ask, Why IS Ron Paul being left out of all media?

January 17, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

2001to5930 (anonymous) says...

JohnQ. Honestly, you may NEED to smoke something!!! Calm down.....GEEEZ.

January 17, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

IOP4ME (anonymous) says...

My favorite campaign commercial this year is the one where the Huckster says that because he has faith, he doesn't have to wake up each day wondering what he believes about different issues. His faith has it all laid out for him. That is exactly what we need in the highest elected office, someone who doesn't think for himself about today's modern issues.
Between the Republicans pandering to the religious right, and our native son John Edwards appealing to the poorest common denominator, some of this years campaigns are real throwbacks.
Who is for today's American, created by the economic expansion of the past 15 years who is not flat broke and uneducated nor an upper middle class hypocrite? Please don't say Ron Paul.
I wish I didn't have to think about stuff.

January 17, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bkeelin (anonymous) says...

How a professed Christian can support a party whose platform promotes the Murder of Inoccent Unborn Children, and the promotion of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle is beyond me. Both are clearly denounced in the scripture and supporting people who support these ideals is tantemount to denying God's Word. How do you reconcile murdering inoccent unborn children and the homosexual agenda with the Bible. Either believe God's word or don't but for goodness sake don't call yourself a Christian when you promote ideas that are absolutely contrary to God's Word. Either your faith matters or it doesn't.

January 17, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bkeelin (anonymous) says...

"just the fact you have fallen for this bible based commandos spiel"

Can you put down the anti-Christian rhetoric and look at the man's record. He fought corruption in Arkansas, he fixed the roads that were in total disrepair, he took the AK school system that was ranked 49, next to SC, and it's now 8th!!! The founder of the Minutemen who are now working to protect our border in conjuction with the Border Patrol has endorsed him because of his passion to secure our borders. He took a 200 million dollar deficit and turned it into an 800 million dollar surplus, cut the fat in the state gov't, battled democrats and won every step of the way. Because of his character and integrity non of the smear campaigns worked that the democrats tried to pull. They fought him every step of the way and he was still able to pull the backwards AK government into the 20th century and set it on a path toward the 21st century. What other candidate has even come close to doing that? Look past your hatred for Christians and look at where he stands on the issues and his experience as chief executive of a govt branch. Fred Thompson was a one term senator and never held chief executive office, neither has John "Amnesty McCain.

January 17, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bkeelin (anonymous) says...

If you want Spanish to be the unofficial but dominant language your for McCain.
If you want things to stay the same then your for any of the candidates that have ever served in the senate.
If you want a candidate that has flip flopped on the issues even though I admit he has now come to the right side then your for Romney.
If you want a conservative candidate that can reach out to independents without alienating the republican base and someone who can beat any democrat that gets the nomination then Gov. Mike Huckabee is your man.
That's my personal opinion

January 17, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

So far, none of the candidates are exciting me. Maybe I just need to give it more time and let them hone down what exactly they stand for.
I think at this point the illegal immigration is one of our top 3 problems. If that gets taken care of alot of our other economic problems will fall into place.

January 17, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

brgokey (anonymous) says...

Mitt Romney is the biggest fraud there is.
I'm writing from MA where he was governor for 4 years. There is no way he would have been re-elected.
Here's a link to an article from the Boston Globe about what happened to the MA economy while he was governor. Why people don't talk about this I'll never know:

www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2...

I find it interesting that NO newspaper, liberal or conservative in Massachusetts or New Hampshire, our neighboring state, endorsed him. It wasn't because they didn't think he was viable as a candidate, but that they didn't trust him. They know him well.

Further, his business practices at Bain helped lose rather then create or grow many businesses and then close otherwise struggling but viable companies while lining his pockets with millions. He made millions at Staples because his company put up some of the startup capital. It's not like he developed Staples. Good investment? Yes, of course. But, with every venture capitalist you're only as smart as the last success. He's dishonest to the core. He'll say whatever the voters want to hear.

Sadly, he's part of the problem not part of the solution.

January 17, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

blah_blah_blah (anonymous) says...

bkeelin,
I understand and respect your opinions. You are entitled to them and allowed to voice them, that is what's great about this forum and this country. I am not, however, entitled to your judgement.
It looks as though, as a Christian, abortion and homosexuality are hot issues to you. Here, I agree with you and Republicans. However, issues are not cut and dry. Becoming pregnant after the high school prom is different than being raped by a drug addict on the street. As for homosexuality, I look at it this way, the same way for all issues. The reason we are here, is because God put us here to make our own decisions. I am in no position to take choices away from someone that God gave to them. Especially choices that don't affect me. But please look at me as a Christian first, before you name call me because I am Democrat. I may be the guy sitting next to you in the pew on Sunday!

January 17, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

datadiva (anonymous) says...

I literally just moved here from Massachusetts and NOT a supporter of Romney at all - please read what brgokey posted, that will definitely shed some light!

Where in MA are you brgokey? Just curious!

January 17, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mosinfan (anonymous) says...

John (surely not I) Q,

It might be best for you if you dont ever take an honest look at history and the founders of this nation. It could cause you some blood pressure issues when you ACTUALLY READ what they had to say about politics and faith. Not all of them, but certainly a very large majority of them would be labeled by you as "theocons". But yet they built the greatest Republic in the history of mankind that has been operating under the same constitution for 220 years (longer than any other nation in history). They did that by integrating their faith and belief in God into their public policy decisions. You can argue that you dont agree with that but that will not change the fact that they did it that way and it worked.

January 17, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

otherside (anonymous) says...

Faith in G-d to policy? Re-read the first amendment and read some Thomas Jefferson....then get back to me....seperation.

January 17, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

citizen123 (anonymous) says...

HUCKABEE LYING ABOUT HIS IMMIGRATION POLICY

We know that Huckabee's plan is to have illegal aliens just go to their closest "Consultant" and fill-out some papers; Consultant's that are inside the United States.
Since by law a "consultant" is legally supposed to be a part of that foreign country which it represents.

That is what Huckabee intends when talks "touch-back".

Illegal aliens won't be asked to actually LEAVE the USA at all! They won't be asked to leave their jobs so that our own American citizens who are out of work can find jobs.

They will continue to under-cut the paychecks of hardworking American citizens.

And all those illegal's will then be able to draw retroactive social security; once their granted any type of "legal status at all". That will leave our own senior citizens out in the cold.

January 17, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

citizen123 (anonymous) says...

McCain is not the right person for the job!

McCain is ANTI-American Citizen; McCain is ANTI- American Industry; McCain is ANTI-American Economy.

Examples of his assaults on Americans:

McCain-Feingold - the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.

McCain-Kennedy - the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

McCain-Lieberman - the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry - through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases - in American history.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards - the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients' bill of rights.

McCain-Reimportantion of Drugs - a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety.

And McCain's stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric - tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.

January 17, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

citizen123 (anonymous) says...

McCain SUCKS! A long history of "not listening to the people"! PANDERING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Supporting mass amnesty. The May 29, 2003, Tucson Citizen quoted Mr. McCain as stating that "Amnesty has to be an important part of" any immigration solution. He was part of the bipartisan coalition that tried to pass amnesty legislation in 2006 and 2007. In 2006 he voted in favor of S. 2611, legislation that would reward between 10 and 11 million illegal's with amnesty if they apply for legal status and pay a $2,000 fine.

Supporting in-state tuition for illegal aliens. Mr. McCain was a cosponsor of S. 774, the Dream Act, providing in-state tuition for illegal aliens. The legislation would have enabled illegal aliens who entered the United States before age 16 to obtain a green card and then use their newly acquired status to obtain green cards for the millions of parents who illegally brought their children with them into the United States. Mr. McCain missed a Senate vote on the issue in October. He said that he would have opposed it on the Senate floor had he been there to vote.

Voted to kill border fence. In 2006, Mr. McCain voted for an amendment to S. 2611 offered by Sen. Arlen Specter to require consultation with the Mexican government concerning the construction of fencing along the U.S.-Mexican border. According to Numbers USA, an organization that lobbies against illegal immigration, this amendment would have effectively guaranteed that the border fence was never built.

Voted against permanently barring gang members and terrorists from the United States. Last year, Mr. McCain voted against an amendment (Senate Amendment 1184) introduced by Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican, that would have permanently barred gang members, terrorists, sex offenders, alien absconders, aliens convicted of domestic violence and aliens convicted of at least three DUIs from the United States. The Cornyn Amendment was rejected on a 51-46 vote.

Voted in favor of Social Security benefits to illegal aliens who commit identity fraud. In 2006. Mr. McCain joined with Mr. Kennedy in working to defeat an amendment by Sen. John Ensign, Nevada Republican, that would have barred Social Security credits for work being done prior to their receiving amnesty - in other words, while working under a false Social Security number. The Ensign Amendment, (Senate Amendment 3985) was defeated on a 50-49 vote.

January 17, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

citizen123 (anonymous) says...

It is only good comman sense to vote for Mitt Romney; the person with the most econominal skills of any candidate.

Being a success in his own businesses he has the knowledge of what we can do to boost our own economy. He would be the BEST "overall" person for President.

We do not need a "war-guy" like McCain who is terrible on domestic issues and is unreliable. He's only suited for perhaps a war advisor type position. Not even his home state of Arizona wants him back! He's been very bad for them!

Huckabee does not represent "all the people". He's soft on immigration; and that equals soft on our economy as well! He would be a disaster to domestic issues!

January 17, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

datadiva (anonymous) says...

um... Massachusetts doesn't want Romney back either; I'm just sayin'

January 17, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

AFWally (anonymous) says...

Huckabee = Globalist agenda has friends Richard Haas and John R. Bolton at the CFR.

Tax and spend Liberal, big Government, free handouts to illegals, beleives in letting murdering rapists free, hates homo's, aids victims, abortionists and minorities. Loves Jesus though....and wants to revamp our Constitution to suit himself or maybe God told him to do it. fred Thompson calls him a liberal Democrat to his face, Ann Coulter says he's the Republican Jimmy Carter, Robert Novak says he's the conservative fraud, Rush calls him a liberal Democrat. Yep vote for Huckabee, he'll hand over US Sovereignty to the Communists and highest bidders.....

January 17, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

theProphet (anonymous) says...

RON PAUL IS AN AMERICAN'S AMERICAN

Out here where the people live, there is a great stirring. The old lies no longer work. The Welfare/Warfare State is tottering toward collapse and the bi-partisan political establishment that built its power on the ashes of the Constitution is afraid. It should be afraid, because Ron Paul is the embodiment of the original American idea: the founding concepts which propelled this nation into greatness. He is perhaps our last great chance to restore that which has been lost.

We must seize the moment for posterity's sake. Adherence to constitutional principles is the only cure to what is becoming a police state in the name of the war on terrorism. We need a man like Ron Paul now more then ever. He is a candidate all Americans can embrace as their role model for common values. His steadfast defense of the Constitution, his refusal to abandon principle for politics, and his down-to earth Christian family values make him an easy choice for President; he is truly an American's American.

January 17, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

AFWally (anonymous) says...

Ron Paul is the man

January 17, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Diamondhead (anonymous) says...

As much as I would like to see Ron Paul in the White House, his campaign is not strong enough to go any where in this election cycle. In addition, you have a liberal media pushing McCain and Huckabee and that alone should signal red flags. Citizen 123 has done his research and now I got 2 days to make a choice between 2 candidates.

January 17, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

brgokey (anonymous) says...

Citizen123 you obviously didn't read my post.
Mitt ia a fraud.

He says for example that he didn't raise taxes and balanced 4 budgets. First of all the MA constitution requires balanced budgets. Funny he doesn't mention that. Secondly he used money set aside from the tobacco settlement for childhood anti-smoking campaigns and other monies to do whatever he could to balance without raising taxes including reducing by enormous amounts the amount of state transfers to cities and towns which required the towns to cut some important budgets or raise taxes. In other words he transfer the problem.

My favorite story is the case of not giving any pardons while governor (though supported Bush in the Libby case.) He didn't even give a pardon to a soldier in Iraq for a firearms convition he got when he was 13 years old. Yes, that's 13. He shot his friend with a BB gun. He didn't break the skin. MA has some of the strictest gun laws so the prosecuter didn't have a choice in the case. Mitt did however. However, it would have wrecked his record. And after all, running for president is more important than integrity. UGH! Here's a link if you want to read it.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/art...

He is a FRAUD

To Mickey Mouse song. R-O-M-N-E-Y F-R-A-U-D

January 17, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sl5 (anonymous) says...

if you are a conservative then you should vote for ron paul, because he is the only true conservative that is running. if you aren't then you really need to rethink your political views. McCain wants to open up the border and give citizenship to illegals, Huckabee is supporting socialized healthcare, which the idea is good but someone is going to have to pay for that and that person is going to be the working class americans. Romney who knows what he stands for one minute he thinks that abortion is alright and next he is totally against it. If he is able to become governor of one of the most liberal states in the country that should be a red flag right there. A true conservative wants to cut federal spending, protect the borders, have strong national defense and uphold the constitution. Not one of these candidates are able to accomplish this besides ron paul.

January 17, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaysin (anonymous) says...

A true conservative wants to cut federal spending, protect the borders, have strong national defense and uphold the constitution? So, Democrats want just the opposite?

This sounds like something George Bush would say. Sounds similiar to, either you are with us or against us. I hate to burst your bubble sI5, but Bill Clinton reduced federal spending, George Bush didn't.

Mike Huckabee is calling for a constitutional "change", none of the Dems have said anything remotely close to that.

January 17, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jaysin (anonymous) says...

Oh and one more thing...why oh why would any candidate question John McCains patriotism? Only in South Carolina, do people protest John McCain's stance on the confederate flag and his stance on stem cell research. Get with the program people, this country needs to address the big issues that affect us, not dwell on the meaningless that divide us. Keep it up South Carolina, you will be the laughing stock of the country if its the last thing you do.

January 17, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

AFWally (anonymous) says...

Uh.....our education system already makes us the laughing stock

January 17, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

gcmadness (anonymous) says...

Hmmm, after reading the comments from brgokey & datadiva, I must say I am a little concerned over my choice for president. As I mentioned in my previous post I wanted to here what people from MA had to say, now that I have it makes me question if I may have been "snowed". I read the article on the Boston.com site, and now feel compelled to do further research. Thanks guys for giving a heads up, and not some lame anti-mormon spiel.

January 17, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mosinfan (anonymous) says...

Otherside,

Everytime someone wants to argue "separation" they run to Jefferson for "cover". Jefferson was not even in the country at the time of the drafting of the 1st Amendment, he was serving as Ambassador to France. Why dont you guys ever read any of the other founders such as Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Hamilton, Madison, Jay, Henry. If your going to be intellectually honest and "open minded" as you secularists like to tout, read the rest of history!

Again, no matter how much you try to force "separation" into the 1st Amendment, you cant do it. The words are not in the document. Learn about the "Establishment Clause" and the "Free Exercise" clause.

Try some of these statements on for size...

It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [Patrick Henry, May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams--October 11, 1798

This ones really going to get under your skin.

John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Quincy Adams:
• "Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" "Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

John Jay:
" Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.

January 17, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mosinfan (anonymous) says...

And here is one from Jefferson for you...

God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

January 17, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sl5 (anonymous) says...

jaysin i said nothing about parties all i said was the idea of a conservative. There can be conservatives in both parties if they have these ideals. You are the one thinking of it as a two party system.

January 17, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Michele (anonymous) says...

I don't know how any real conservative in SC could vote for either Juan McAmnesty or Mike Huckster. Both are not looked on favorably by true conservatives or even anyone looking for real change. Huckabee is the minah bird of politics, mimicking everything the other candidates are saying. He's got no real vision. He tries to come across as nice and personable but then goes negative in a very under the radar, unerhanded way. McCain's record in the senate is awful and his profanity laden temper is legendary. His stance on economic issues and illegal immigration is a travesty. Is this what the good people of SC really want?? Have they really done their research?? Mitt Romney is the only proven leader and GOP candidate that can successfully implement real change in Washington and America. His front runner status is proof of the kind of change people are looking for.

Good article below addressing McCain's temper issues:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/a...

Huckabee's 'ethics':

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/arti...

January 17, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

csor (anonymous) says...

After having my family dinner interrupted every night this week with candidate robocalls, I can safely say McCain, Huckabee, Romney, Thompson, and Ron Paul (aka Mr. Attack Robocall) are in no danger of getting my vote this weekend or in the November election, assuming they actually get the nomination. Rudi hasn't called; then again, he's not bothering with campaigning in South Carolina.

http://www.stoppoliticalcalls.org

January 17, 2008 at 8:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

horatio (anonymous) says...

Only one conservative running,and that's Ron Paul. Eliminate the incentives for illegals (free schooling, welfare, free medical care), cut out the income tax, repeal the Patriot Act, support the Second Amendment, and stop the Fed's devaluing of the dollar. Sounds good to me, he's got my vote.

January 17, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

GWashington1776 (anonymous) says...

REPUBLICANS CHOOSE ROMNEY'S EXPERIENCE AND OPTIMISM OVER MCCAIN'S PESSIMISM.
Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes: :the economy is emerging as the overriding issue and Romney's message on the subject is stronger than McCain's. And Romney is far more comfortable and persuasive in talking about the economy." The Detroit News Attributed Romney's Win In Michigan To His Optimistic Message and Romney's "Hope For A Brighter Future" Is What Distinguishes Him Among The Candidates. National Review: Romney "Connected With Voters" On Economic Issues. National Review's Rich Lowry: Romney's Theme Of "Fighting For The American Economy" Worked. Michigan Republicans Rejected McCain's Economic Defeatism. The Detroit News Said McCain Should Have Offered A Way Forward Rather Than Being Simply Pessimistic. Wall Street Journal 's John Fund: Michigan Republicans Had "Problems" With McCain's Support For Tougher Polices That Could Hurt The Auto Industry. McCain's Opposition To The Bush Tax Cuts "Came Back To Haunt Him." About half of GOP voters in an exit poll said that cutting taxes should trump curbing the deficit, and they voted for Romney by a stunning 44% to 21%." McCain Does Not Have The Record To Lead America's Economy Forward In An Uncertain Time. In 2001, McCain Was One Of Only Two Republicans To Vote Against The $1.35 Trillion Bush Tax Cuts. In 2003, Sen. McCain Was One Of Only Three Republicans To Twice Vote Against The $350 Billion Bush Tax Cuts. In 2002, Sen. McCain Was One Of Only Two Republicans To Twice Vote Against Permanent Repeal Of The Death Tax. McCain Is Pushing For A Massive New Energy Tax. McCain's Legislation Would Dramatically Raise Taxes On All Carbon-Based Fuels. National Review. McCain's Energy Policy Could Devastate The Auto Industry. National Review. McCain's Plan Would Send Gas Taxes Sky High And Would Harm The National Economy. The EPA Estimates McCain's Plan Would Hike Gas Taxes By 68 Cents Per Gallon. The EPA Estimates Sen. McCain's Plan Would Reduce United States GDP By As Much As $5.2 Trillion. (Roy Cordato, National Review, 1/10/08).

January 17, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

darew (anonymous) says...

Have Republicans forgotten John McCain's betrayals?!

McCain is ANTI-American Sovereignty; ANTI- American Industry; and ANTI-American Economy. McCain is not a "Maverick"; he is a socialist Democrap in disguise, a RINO candidate if there ever was one.

Examples of his assaults on Americans:

McCain-Feingold - the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.

McCain-Kennedy - the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

McCain-Lieberman - the most burdensome and intrusive attack on American industry in American history - involved mandated reporting, regulating, and taxing of greenhouse gas emissions.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards - the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the ruse of a patients' bill of rights.

McCain - Re-importation of Drugs - a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety.

And McCain's stated opposition to the Bush 2001 & 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialistic, class-warfare rhetoric against tax cuts. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.

McCain was never a friend to conservative values. What makes anyone think that he has changed?

Don't let him play you with his pandering drivel; wake up and choose wisely.

January 17, 2008 at 11:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

littlehouse (anonymous) says...

Here is a fun link to determine the best candidate:

http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calcul...

or... for those who prefer to Visualize Leadership:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg...

January 18, 2008 at midnight ( | suggest removal )

Dawn (anonymous) says...

Why has Robert Behr not included Ron Paul in this article?

January 26, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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