Family, peers remember slain teenager
By Dave Munday
Mark Holder
Antwon Darrelle Garrette
A Fort Dorchester High School student who wanted to use rap music to promote peace died at the hands of a gunman in his neighborhood.
Mark Holder, 16, was shot to death Wednesday evening at a house in the Greenhurst neighborhood near Summerville.
The shooting took place about 7:30 p.m. at a house on Sally Lane, Dorchester County Sheriff's First Sgt. Mike Miller said. Holder was pronounced dead about an hour later at Summerville Medical Center, Coroner Chris Nisbet said.
The Sheriff's Office issued an arrest warrant on murder charges for 19-year-old Antwon Darrelle Garrette, believed to live in the neighborhood. Garrette surrendered to authorities Thursday afternoon, Miller said.
Further details on the shooting were not available Thursday. Miller said he expected an incident report to be released today.
Family members gathered at the victim's house on Roberta Street on Thursday to comfort each other. They remembered Holder as an optimistic young man, always smiling.
"He didn't do drugs," his mother, Maureen Rapley, said. "He didn't even drink or smoke. We were best friends. He was clean-cut. He was the epitome of what every mother would want her son to be."
They described him as a spiritual young man who wanted to use rap to promote peace. He recorded music CDs under the name Mark Peez.
His mother didn't know why he went to the house where he was shot.
"We used to call him hamster boy, because he never came out of his room," she said. "All he did was sit on that computer and make his music all day long."
He also had a social side. Neighborhood kids were always coming by to see him, according to his sister, Latausha Rapley, 21. He would take them in his room and teach them to make music.
"He wanted to show them that they could do it too," his sister said. "He changed things for people."
Holder's 19-year-old brother, Army Pfc. Shawn Edmonds, is stationed in Iraq. They were always trading music ideas by e-mail, his mother said. She's hoping he can come home for the funeral next week.
Cassandra Shaw, a student at Stall High School, knew Holder since sixth grade.
"No matter what people came up against him, he always had a smile on his face," Shaw said.
His aunt, Davetta DeVaughn, couldn't imagine her nephew having any enemies.
"He was loved by everybody," she said. "If they (the person who shot him) had known Mark, they wouldn't have done it."
Two of Holder's teachers at Fort Dorchester High School sent Principal Jim Atkinson e-mails Thursday expressing their fondness for their former student. Atkinson made them public with permission from the family.
"Mark Holder was a student that you could count on to be in class and know to expect interesting work and ideas," visual art instructor Jeremy Hedges said. "His humor brought smiles to many tired students during my first-period class."
"He understood that success in school was the key to making his dream a reality," English teacher Cheryl Green said. "He said that his family set high expectations for him. Mark was a proud young man who was respected by his teacher and peers."
Reporters Noah Haglund and Mindy Hagen contributed to this story. Reach Dave Munday at 745-5862 or dmunday@postandcourier.com.
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moonpie (anonymous) says...
Just horrific. Seems like a kid that had it together. This has to stop! How can we stop these black young men from killing each other! Do blacks not see this as a problem? And before the race baters start, it is a predominately black thing. Look intelligently at the stats. Look at this weeks Chas city killing.
So argue the point if you must argue.
January 11, 2008 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
Just when you think your children are safe, something like this happens. He seemed like a great kid. How someone can take another person's life is beyond me.
January 11, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jrobinson (anonymous) says...
tripsa
Rev. Al or the NAACP can do anything to stop the violence in Charleston. Charleston as a community has to come together and figure out a way to stop it. I t will never be stopped if african- americans don't take the initiative to better educate their children, and do what it takes to lift themselves out of poverty, and stop blaming the white man for keeping us down. The white man, the brown man, or the pink man can't keep you down if you want to be down. Get up, and make a change. I usually would be pissed about this comment, but I moved back to the area from the midwest about 2 years ago, and I thought my children would be safer here, but there are more murders here than the city I moved from, and this city is one third the size. There has to be a way to stop it.
January 11, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
burton (anonymous) says...
tripsa, I agree with you and there are some of us (African American males) that are out in our communities trying to make a difference. I too am so sick of young black men killing each other. When's the last time you heard of a 18 year old white kid killing a 16 year old white kid on a consistent basis? We just have to continue to teach our kids the difference between right and wrong and also teach them that life is about choices and consequences. The white man has nothing to do with this. We have to wake up as a people! Sad!
January 11, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
this is very upsetting to hear. we all white & black are not safe when it comes to drugs or kids tring to rob people,this world is getting harder to live in. We all need to get closer to god,There is no one here that can protect us or our kids, 'Only THE GOOD LORD ABOVE' i am afraid of what it is going to be like in the next year with how econmy is,It is getting worst every second of the day, all i can say is GOD be with all of us, and as for the kids, young men &others who are doing bad and evil to take or harm others ,we all are suppose to be brothers & sisters may God Stop the killing & robbing,and the hurting to others. stop the hater &pain. My heart goes out to every young person and incent people who have lost their lives over stupid foolishness! May GOD BE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO GET A CHNCE TO READ THIS EMAIL
January 11, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tygers1231 (anonymous) says...
Another senseless killing of a young, smart aspiring young man. Part of the problem is, you have all these schools that will pass students instead of failing them so that they can keep their Gov't funding. I remember being in school when the teachers would actually call the parents when they have a problem with a child or their grades were dropping and the parents would do something about it. Now you have teachers that don't want to take the time or are scared of being accused of targeting a student, and on the other side you have parents that don't want to be bothered and look at school as a Daycare. Until we as a community start getting more involved in the school and our Children's lives then we are going to see this more and more. Let's get back to Prayer in school, Paddling, and making "ALL" (i.e) students, teachers, administrative personnel, and Parents accountable for their actions. Let's stop setting our Children up for failure. My heart goes out to both families involved in the tradegy. A beautiful child is gone and one is going to have to live with his actions forever.
January 11, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
I am not ignorant of today's world, but...
I simply cannot imagine being a child in today's world, always having to look over my shoulder, wondering daily whether I'd be the next to be randomly blown away, or whether I'd never see someone again in my family or among my friends and classmates because they'd been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I am overwhelmed by grief each time a child is taken from this world by some miscreant.
The world weeps.
January 11, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
My Heart and soul go out for this young man and Family.My daughter knew him and cried at dinner time just melting my heart......The Violent crime rate in Dorchester County has got to be addressed by Sheriff Nash.....The Spike in Murders need to be prevented before it happens with Management and Aggressive policing...
In The Summerville Journal Ray Nash States the Violent crime rate as 468 violent crimes per 100,000 BUT On His Re-Elect Ray Nash Site and a July 19 ,2007 article by Post and Courier it states 542.8 per 100,000....Town of Summerville is 380.3(outstanding job)..
2 murders already and a shooting at a night club last night.
January 11, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
i agree with the paddling& prayer in the schools,and i am sure their is more that feel the same way, as long their is a limit to where they are not going to far. this day and time if a child is being a child and miss behavies they want you as a parent to put your child to be evaculated,and the out come is 99% effective they will say your child is adhd. I know it happened to my child.WE all have miss behaved when we were kids. Does not mean they need meds. they just need a little disapline at home and school. the meds only made my child worst,he was enjoying all of the attention he was getting,i started spanking him and the probablem with behavier stop! so yes,how do we as a parents get involed against our laws,when they are tring to stop us from even spanking our children.a good old spanking or prayer never hurt me when i was coming up, it made the person that i am today
January 11, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Murders...2005(3),2006(2),2007(8),2008(2+)
Assaults 2005(334),2006(348),2007(350 estimated)
Rape/Sex assault 2005(24),2006(26),2007(28 estimated)
Larceny 2005(1484),2006(1,685),2007(1,750 estimated)
MVT.. 2005(205),2006(225),2007(245 estimated)
Burglaries..2005(507),2006(618),2007(730 estimated)
Robberies ..2005(36),2006 (54),2007 (60 estimated)
This was taken from the Dorchester County 2008 Budget Report
In a Vast Majority of These categories except MVT. Dorchester County is Higher Than NY & Nj per 100,000 people.
We Need New Leadership!
January 11, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
African-Americans have served this country in every form and fashion allowed up to giving their lives for the ideals of this country, so to all you divisive types, this is not an African-American problem. It is an American problem.
January 11, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
konphidence (anonymous) says...
Okay, I usually don't blog but I am tired of reading statements like " when are black people going to realize .....". While I agree, it is entirely not a people problem but more a society problem. I don't see anything said from the 'white community" concerning the busting of meth labs in rural communities. It is easier to place the blame outward instead of inward. Why in the hell does the majority of white people think Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton are the voices of "black" america. THEY DON'T NOT SPEAK FOR US! I believe in every person receieving the fruits of their labor by the seeds they have toiled whether they're black or white. Since moving back to the low country, I have realize a serious discord. Not only between different races but between the low/middle/upper classes. It is very dissapointing. Just yesterday on my way home, I stopped at a gas station along Montague Ave. A middle aged couple stop me and asked " Excuse me sir, What year is the car? " I told them and continued my business. "Excuse me sir, my I have your card so I may come by to view cars on the car lot where you're working?" Stunned!! It is a German made vehicle, I told them that I own the vehicle. As they rode away, I notice the man speaking, looking at me and shaking his head. Wow! Hell I am 36 yrs old, should I not achieve anything. You all live here, what are doing for your community? Are you only concerned with "it's not my problem" or I am only concerned about what affects me. I am not afraid of any race or make dumb accusations but I try to be aware of my surroundings. I would like to advise everyone don't try to tell the story of someone without reading the pages. Simply the phrase we have all heard as younsters " Don't judge a book by its cover." everyone deserves a chance. I love the low country, my native home but we must demand better from everyone. That include parents, community leaders and bloggers.
January 11, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Patrick (anonymous) says...
There is a culture of violence to contend with here. Look at the smirk on the defendants face.
January 11, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
This is very sad. My nephew was also talking about this kid yesterday and started crying. From this story and many other comments I can tell this child will be deeply missed by his family and friends. I will pray for the family as they try to heal.
January 11, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
I really beleive that there's a whole generation of young people that is ruined. It's ruined by what they perceive as a thug or "gangsta" lifestyle. They see these rap artists and videos and think this is a way of life. They don't realize that most of these "artists" are putting on an act to sell records. Most of them are running their own companies. Our young people have bought into this. They in turn think they way to get it is to be a criminal. They have seen this lifestyle glamorized. It, in their minds, is easier to do the wrong thing than it is to work hard and do it the right way.
I have seen this in black, white, and asian. These young people are unemployable. Their manner of speech, dress, and plain old work ethic is not useful to a business. So therefore, they in turn make money another way.
The answer is FAMILY. Family first, education with that, and everything else falls into place.
It is really sad this young man had to lose his life. Along with his, there's a 19 yr old who has lost his, too. Just in a different way.
Sad.
January 11, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LifetimeLearner (anonymous) says...
As a former teacher in this area, I am completely saddened by this murder. Mark really was a good kid trying to overcome the obstacles that surrounded him and all other students on a daily basis. He will be missed.
In regards to passing kids who are completely failing, this is TRUE, somewhat. We had to give kids at least a 60% in our class each 9 weeks, even if they got a 25%. This is to give them the fighting chance to pass the year, in case they decided to work. Some did, many didn't. I understood this, but it still infuriated me when I had a kid who did ABSOLUTELY nothing, then got a 60. However, a 60 is still failing. Schools also want good marks on the state report cards, which focus on fail rates. At the end of the year, the teachers get together and decide if the student is retained or passed. It usually came down to the kid's age. If he/she was held back once or twice before, we usually passed them along. Which doesn't make a lot of sense. But what 8th grade teacher wants a 17 year old in class? This is where many of our kids are getting through the system. We called the parents of these failing kids more than you can count and sadly and not surprisingly, these are the SAME parents who do not care! Wow, what a shocker! I taught in another state and SC is needing a severe overhaul. A 50% graduation rate is a damn state of emergency!
January 11, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
captivated (anonymous) says...
My deepest condolences to the family and friends of this young man. His chance for a bright, prosperous future has been extinguished by a thug with no future. Something has to be done to strenghten the family units in this area because there seems to be a breakdown in communications between the young and old. On the one hand, he stays in his room a lot; then on the other hand, she did not know why he was at that house. She should have known where and why he was there. Not much communication, there.
January 11, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rggr (anonymous) says...
What a tragic and heartbreaking loss for this family and community! My thoughts and prayers are with the family.
January 11, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tygers1231 (anonymous) says...
MinoritySouth:
It is an AMERICAN problem. So now that we have established that: WE as a community need to get together and start fixing the problem. People always say it is a black on black thing, but look at the different areas around, for example Ashley Phospate area, where our illegal immigrants are taking over, when you hear about someone getting murdered there, it is usually a mexican killing a mexican. So what ever the majority of the race factor is in an area, that will be who kills who. WE AS PEOPLE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF OUR COMMUNITIES. And the Gov't and law enforcement needs to stop playing BIG brother all the time. Stop telling everyone how they can disciple their children and stop putting in our children's minds at school that if you get a simple spanking that it is child abuse. Let parents be parents
January 11, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
The "shooter" isn't smirking during a mug-shot, the picture is from somewhere else. My kids came home yesterday and said that the rumor going around school is that both of these boys were actually fist-fighting over drugs when the shooting occured. Both boys attend Fort...my son said that the boy who lost his life is a known drug dealer. It's all hear-say, but it's interesting to hear the kids talk, and then read how the paper makes things sound. The bottom line is that two young kids have just lost their lives over something stupid.
January 11, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Test2007 (anonymous) says...
Umm, why is it that people like to control the so called race baiters but then the next statement out of their mouth is the utter most idiotic racist statement? Just wondering. It is like saying "I don't mean to be offensive but...". When I hear that I KNOW something offensive is coming right on down.
I have always believe that a lot of these issues are more socioeconomic than racial. Check the stats on that.
Rap - I will say it again and again until someone actually gets it. Music can not make you do anything. There are tons of crazy music (Marilyn Manson, ICP etc) that are violent in nature. Do all those listeners go out and paint their faces or shoot someone up? That is a cop out. That is like saying violent video games (Hitman comes to mind) makes you go run over to someones house and shoot them. Sorry, never liked that argument much.
konphidence - Welcome back to SC. This is one of the most racially divided states in the country. I hate to tell you this but it has been that way since I can remember and I was born there. You stated EXACTLY what I was thinking. I have been on this board a lot and never ceases to amaze me how jesse and al became the leaders of ALL black america. Seriously. I am sorry to sound like a commercial, but I am an individual. I do not think as part of a collective. We aren't the borg.
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January 11, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
devster (anonymous) says...
It is terrible for a kid with a future to die this way.
January 11, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Patrick (anonymous) says...
Wrong. The picture of the defendant was taken by the authorities.
January 11, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
FortDorchesterMom- Did your kids know any of the two children involved?
January 11, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
If that picture was taken by the authorities, then why was it in the paper yesterday before he turned himself in? Weird.
January 11, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
My daughter is a senior, and she came into my room this morning and said that the news had just said that the shooter had turned himself in....and then I said his name, and she was stunned. She said that she just couldn't believe it. She said that her and another girl were talking about him just yesterday, and laughing about childhood stories.Although she wasn't his "friend", she knew him, and some of her close friends have grown up with Antwon. I think that everyone that knows these boys is shocked that this has happened. It's shattering to think that life is over before it begins....
January 11, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
Test - I didn't say that rap makes them do things they do. The music itself isn't putting subliminal messages in their heads. It's the LIFESTYLE that they are attracted to. They are seeing this and want to emulate. It again comes down to family and education. Education would give them the intelligence to see it's all make-believe. The family intact would reinforce the message.
I know from authority (experience) with a teenage male in my home what influence it has on them. He started to get an interest in the rap culture about 14 yrs old. From there I noticed a change in attitude, dress, manner of speaking, interest in extracurricular activities, and he developed a lack of respect for authority. I took the CDs from him, blocked the music channels for a while, and demanded he speak correctly, dress correctly and enrolled him inactivities. After having about 6 months of a battle of the wills he let it go. It took an interest in his family to stop what we were seeing happen before our eyes. He still listened to some of the music, but he wasn't LIVING it. (if I explained it correctly).
January 11, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
it is sounding like some of you that are commenting are angry.because alot of racial talk is being done,there is no since in that because we all breathe & bleed the same, god made us all we all have the same god. and yes some of the mexicans are no good same as all of us to, This is what's making our world a bad place. I pray that we all can love one another through GODS eyes.I am white, and if i ever ran across anyone, i don't care if they were purple if they needed me i would do whatever i could to help. I love all people including the ones who are lost.WE are suppose to pray for the ones who living & do wrong things.as for the ones who shake their heads or talk behind your or others backs,ask our god to change their way of thinking. we are not the jugder and we don't know what a person holds on their table. It's sad by people's action's we lay everone out.
January 11, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justus1017 (anonymous) says...
Stop debating and START PRAYING.
January 11, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
ok, after praying, what then....
January 11, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
outrage (anonymous) says...
Jewelry is removed before a mug shot in Chas. Co., I don't know about Dorch. Co. procedures. Another tragedy.
January 11, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
You know, there have been all sorts of alarming killings from the incident in this article to mass murders in our nation's schools and malls. The single "MATERIAL" common denominator that I find is an apparent lack of value for life. So we need to take a hard look at the psyche of our youth and find out how this value became so askew... How do children cognitively come to the conclusion that walking into school, a mall, a peer's home and shooting anyone will solve anything or lead to anything productive?
This selfishness of our youth is epidemic in seemingly benign as well as malignant manifestations from extreme consumerism to what we are currently discussing. Just watch them and see for your self, generally speaking this applies to all American sub-cultures.
January 11, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
why not let these young men or women stay in a maxium prison for a couple of days. bet they wont come out wanting to shoot anyone again.
people we are losing are youth to violence here I dont care if they are black, white, red, yellow, or green. they our our youth my god something needs to be done. we need to take back our streets . this isnt just happen in charleston, goose creek. it is happening in small rural towns as well. we have the drive bys right here in this small town. prayer is good but we need to help ourselves as well. help our children before we lose a whole generation.
January 11, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
Minority-
You are correct in regarding todays youth. When they want something it is at all costs. How many times have we heard about incidents over someone's shoes, cars, jewelry, electronics etc.
When I was a teenager, we got jobs after school and weekends. Just try to hire teenagers today. In the last year, we have had about ten through my place of employment. They come in late, don't come in nor call, we've been stolen from, and my personal fave - one used the credit card not only what we sent him for, but...
HE TOOK 5 OF HIS FRIENDS OUT TO DINNER ON IT! He was 18.
He really was surprised when he was fired, really, he was.
Young poeple have a sense of entitlement.
January 11, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
Yes, our youth seem to have no awareness of the implications of their actions if there is not a direct correlation tied to some sort of gain in the immediate future which for some the future is the next five minutes and seemingly for some prudent common sense is all but gone replaced by vacuous "it is all about me" reasoning with little if any value seen in altruism when truly altruism is a form of self promotion and preservation.
In short what goes around comes around.
January 11, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Grannyofsix- Bring back Sally Jesse Raphael and the Jenny Jones show so we can get those boot camp drill sargeants to shape these kids up....good idea.
FortDorchester- I feel sorry for your kids because I'm sure yesterday and today was sad for them.
January 11, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Swabby757 (anonymous) says...
My prayers and sympathies go out to the families of Mark Holder. Fort Dorchester High School has seen enough loss the past year. Be well Mark.
January 11, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
all of that is true.but the only way is through prayer, because we cannot change anyones way of thinking on our on.and if you see a kid that is doing something he or she is not suppose to be doing,or if you see kids that should be home with their families instead on the street.and you tell them or i say you ask them shouldn't you be home at this hour at night, they get smart with you and come back and damage your properity,it has happened to me & my family.every week me my husband,my kids get out and clean the sidewalk infront and on the side of our house.we have asked them not do it.they start saying we are racist or tell their parents we are being mean to them.and their parents have came to my house upset not knowing what has really happened .when the truth is we are the ones being mistreated.we have even had cops to tell us to not say anything to kids that "dealing" about throughing their beer bottles and trash on the sidewalks,and in our yard because they will come back on us and do a driveby!So my point is you really can not do any thing except for pray and leave it in the lords hands.the world is what it is and none of us are strong enough to change it.The truth of the matter is some of our so called parents should have ours kids home and not all in the streets.Truthly what can we do?
January 11, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yeahright (anonymous) says...
Anyone remember the scene from the movie "Friday", where Ice Cube's father catches him with a gun and says something like "in my day we used these (holding up his fists). You win some, you lose some, but you live to fight another day."
Kids don't fight anymore, they kill. I for one just don't get it.
January 11, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...
I wonder how close these boys were to the ones who, also in Greenhurst, called in the Pizza delivery orders and shot the delivery man in cold blood? Do you think that the parents of these boys don't know they have these guns? I'd be willing to bet that some of them do.
January 11, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
I agree prayer will help but prayer with a defeatist attitude is words without faith. The value system of immediate gratification should be exchanged for values that look down the road for the individual as well as his fellow man. That is a major deficit exhibited by our youth.
January 11, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jrobinson (anonymous) says...
tripsa,
It doesn't matter if they came or not, they would march, and go back home, and the people in this community would still have to do what it needs to do to make a change. Al Sharpton, and the NAACP have their own agenda. Like I said earlier, only the people of this community can change this community. Why are you so stuck on rather they would have been here if the shooter was white. Okay you made your point, blacks kill each other at a higher rate, now give us some suggestions on what needs to be done to stop it, and please be more creative than put them all under the jail, or send them back to Africa. Give some solutions that will really work
January 11, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortDorchesterMom (anonymous) says...
Where do we start? If kids aren't taught in the home, and the parents weren't taught in their home..how do you break the pattern? A boy is dead, and the other one is probably going to spend the rest of his life in jail. But, this could have been prevented..and it makes me mad to see such a waste. Where did the gun come from? Mom and Dad have to know what their kids are up to...why don't they? I'm starting to think that people just don't care anymore. Don't care where their kids are, don't care who they're with..why not? My kids get irritated at me because I check with the other parents to make sure that they know my kid is spending the night...I want to meet their friends, all of it. When they ask why I do it, I tell them it's my job. Isn't it every parent's job to love their kids...and if so, doesn't that include knowing what they're doing, and who they're doing it with? I just don't understand.
January 11, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
marriott99 (anonymous) says...
Praying is nothing but talking to yourself.
A large percentage of black youth have been lost due to the decadent popular culture that glorifies violence and materialism, welfare entitlements and the notion that the man isn't needed to raise the kids.
Until these conditions end, and they haven't yet, these sad stories will continue to bewilder us.
January 11, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
Yes, Citizen tripsa and all who think like that. I think of, the young man who serial killed in the Omaha mall before taking his own life a few weeks ago or the young man at Virginia Tech or Columbine or etc.. etc... as a national issue and not an issue based on any physical attribute. Welcome to the 21 century y'all. These are cognitive psychological issues that can not be directly attributed to outward appearances. People are killing for no reason or little or no reason which is not much better but none of this has any material involvement/relationship of/to Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson, etc. Why does that always need explaining??
January 11, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kerwin1959 (anonymous) says...
The blog today has been interesting, to say the least. I hope the truth will come out as to why Mark was at Antwan's house? At what time? Were other people there? This was a child with such promise, whose life was cut down by another child whose life is also now over, but in a different way.
There is a nationwide statistic that says the #1 cause of death in black males under 25 is homicide. The large majority of inmates today are black males. This is a social issue which affects blacks, whites,...everyone. The increased cost of housing inmates. The cost to communities.
Would the presence of a father figure help? Possibly. However, many single mothers and the grandmothers who are forced to raise their children's children work hard to instill values. It seems to be ages 15-25 who are lost in society, uneducated and unemployable. Less than 60% of the children in SC complete high school.
What is the answer?
Teen pregnancy among young black women should not be a status symbol, as it is presently. What happened to birth control? What makes some black men think they have no responsibility toward these children? It's not like raising a puppy. It perpetuates the cycle that is causing the deterioration of today's black society.
The schools must stop passing children through the system. If they are failing,they shouldn't go to the next grade.
Gun laws must be changed/enforced to keep young people from obtaining guns illegally. The per capita death rate in the US(from firearms) is the highest in the world.
Lack of education acts as a catalyst for the drug culture. It's quick, easy money and these kids don't comprehend the risks.
More mature black citizens should mentor these kids--white people have offered, but they are often resented by the black community.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not going to help these children. They are not the voice of black citizens, regardless of how much they want to believe they are.
Lastly, the influx of legal/illegal immigrants are taking jobs that used to go to black people. Many business owners are starting to believe immigrants appreciate the right to work, they work harder with less absences than some equally skilled black people. This belief, whether right or wrong, could destroy the economy of the black community.
Easy answers? No. Tough problems? Yes. What candidate can fix these problems? No one. Black society must decide they will no longer tolerate the violence, illegitimate children, illiterate children, & the breakdown of the family unit. The actions of a few are impacting all. Sadly, the black community is self-inducing their own modern day form of slavery. The society itself is the only group who can begin change.
January 11, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
burton (anonymous) says...
See my first post. I hear a lot of talking but will you back it up with action. Will you start a CPAD (Citizen's Patrol Against Drugs) or some other program in your neighborhood or will you just keep getting on this post to complain and not do anything to find a solution?
At the end of every year, the P&C does a story on all the murders in the Tri-County area. They include a picture of the victim and a short story on who they were and how they were killed. For the past 10+ years, it has been nothing but young African American men. We use this when we talk to the kids in the community. It is powerful but yet sad to see all those wasted lives!
The other sad part is almost 100% of the people that murdered them is a young African American male. Those are the facts. It's not the white man's fault and we have to stop making excuses! My people have to wake up because right now we are the walking dead!
January 11, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chancellor (anonymous) says...
Posted by marriott99 (anonymous) on January 11, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Praying is nothing but talking to yourself.
Unfortunately, too many people think that. I can promise you that nobody who prays honestly and faithfully listens to that garbage, and nobody who listens to or creates that filth prays honestly and faithfully. I see a correlation...
January 11, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
alot of this because there haven't been many repercussions for bad behaviior. Look at the teacher in Goose Creek. The student made life threatening remarks to her, she won't go back to the class because they did NOTHING to the student. They wanted to "punish" the teacher and transfer HER!
I have a friend that is a teacher in Dorch County. She can get only a handful of parents to school to deal with any issues. Usually only the parents of kids that do well, and aren't in any trouble. Last school year she sent home 23 letters to one home, made 32 phone calls (same home) then finally at the end of the school year when she sent home the letter to hold back the student did that parent come in. She was very aggressive and very insulting to the teacher. She threatened to file suits against the school district for racial discrimination and so forth unless her child went on to the next grade. The school promoted him. That was so much the wrong message to send to that young man on so many levels. He is facing a life of failure. Then what ... a life of crime, probably. I was wondering about him the other day, and asked my friend how he was doing in the new grade. She had just talked to his teacher the day before . The teacher was wondering about her thought on how to get a parent in to talk to her. Same thing as the year before.
This is just one example of the next generation of kids growing up without any sense of responsibility.
Especially if the use of threats gets you what you want or need.
A shame. What else can be said?
January 11, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
kerwin - it's like we're one person. You pretty much feel exactly the way I do.
January 11, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
"Posted by MinoritySouth (anonymous) on January 11, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
African-Americans have served this country in every form and fashion allowed up to giving their lives for the ideals of this country, so to all you divisive types, this is not an African-American problem. It is an American problem."
so has the white American-Americans and you don't see them out there eliminating themselves at the rate the young black males do... for being 12% of the population that must make the per capita of murders for Black Americans sky high
too many babies being taught to have babies without a family structure, we need to stop rewarding babies having babies... remove their welfare and you'll see much of this dissipate
if no one's teaching these young men how to be real men they will never reach that goal... it's pure ignorance holding them back causing all of this IMHO
January 11, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jrobinson (anonymous) says...
kerwin1959
you answered your question with questions. If you go back and read all of the comments that have been made today, you would know why Charleston is so screwed up. Its a combined level of ignorance among blacks and whites, pointing fingers at each other, and doing nothing to make a change. The best solution is to move the hell outta here.
January 11, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Test2007 (anonymous) says...
Here, here jrobinson! Like I said before, welcome to SC!!
All crimes are committed by black people. There are no white criminals ever. No, nope never happens ever! That is our state motto.
Yeah right. Get a life jammer, and not the one on P&C but a real one.
January 11, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
As long as we continue to act like there is a "White" America and a "Black" America. There will always be one. Free will is an amazingly powerful and an immense responsibility.
January 11, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hondais1 (anonymous) says...
burton, You are the most intelligent and level-headed poster on this subject today and make more sense than any of the other posters! It's a shame others don't have your level of understanding.
January 11, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
forget (anonymous) says...
Now come on.... there wasn't one person that said anything like Test just said. We know what the problem is, we know what's causing it, but the only way to fix it is for each individual person to take some responsibility for their lives and their children's, and to be PARENTS (plural), to be adults, and no parent needs to be their child's "best friend".
The first thing is to stop the "no father in home " situations. Every child needs a father figure. These young men are growing up without knowing how to be men. They aren't seeing a father working hard and providing for his family. They have never been told" just wait until your father gets home", and actually been worried about the consequences of whatever they had done.
If we can solve that problem, I really believe alot more answers would follow.
It doesn't matter if they're black or white.
January 11, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Why are there certain posters that only rear their heads when black on black crime is the topic? Are any of you not interested in other articles?
Why is that, Minority South and Test2007?
You both appear to be educated, so why do you not post on articles where whites are the topics?
I am just curious; I am not trying to start an argument.
I am sure you have posted on a few other articles, but it appears that this type is the main attraction for you two.
January 11, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
walleyedwoman1215 (anonymous) says...
From first-hand experience, I can tell you what will trump poverty, apathy, pop culture, a seedy neighborhood and bad influences: Parents who are willing to kick ass. My mother put the fear of God in all four of us, while working two jobs, sewing our clothes and explaining why Santa couldn't make it to our house. When we broke the rules we got stomped like ants. The result? We stayed out of jail, took after-school jobs, earned scholarships and now have nine degrees betwen us. And we--ranging in age from 47 to 57-- worship our mother like a saint.
But today, of course, DSS would intervene...
January 11, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
Marriott99, Way to go,I've seen this first hand and you are right.Time in and time out it's the aunt or grandmother who was raising the kid,who thought he was a man.They always semm to be up and coming rap stars and the rap that comes out of their mouths is full of MF's,GD's,women are nothing but sex objects,the cops are the bad guys,dope dealers are good guys.packin a gun is cool,direspecting your elders,teachers,authority is the way of life..And how does this end,One young black man gunned down and another going to prison.What a lost to both families and a loss to a race who have so much pride.A week does not go by without some black male shooting another over stupid things.It has to start in the home,we are losing genarations of black males at an alarming rate.The black race is a proud race its time for the communities to standup to these wantabe gangsta's and cleanup the community.See someone slinging dope call the police,loud music,call the police.Landlords need to get involved,someone who rents from you gets caught slinging dope,kick them out,Thats one less dope dealer in the community.It can be done but its up to the community to take a stand.You can standup to crime or you can keep burying your youth,the choice is yours........ For Girleygirl: I have responed to your request to "ENLIGHTEN YOU" did you get a chance to read it?
January 11, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uhyeah (anonymous) says...
i go to school with him
he was in my classes
i can't believe that you are all turning his death into some big racist thing
and WHY would you say things like "he was on drugs"
he's dead
be a little more sympathetic
i missed the first half of my day at school because i was upset about this
January 11, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
uhyeah,I'am sorry that you are feeling bad about this incident but its time for you and others to pickup where Mark leftoff,if he was a noviolent young man then Start dealing with community problems in his name,ie; get with local police,churches,code enforcment and fellow students and comeup with ways to cleanup neighborhoods like Greenhurst and dont stop after a few months becouse scumbags like Antwon will come out of the shadows like roaches and start taking over.You are young take a stand so you will not loose another friend and a mother will not loose a son...
January 11, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zeke (anonymous) says...
i can't believe in the following of his death, all yall people can talk about is "He was fighting over drugs", or "Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton need to come march".
some of yall have no idea who he is, and your passing judgement!!
i will keep mark and his family, and friends in my thoughts and prayers...
i love you man.
January 11, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
just1reader (anonymous) says...
It was my child who posted the recent comment responded to by SCPDBLUE. From what my child tells me, Mark was a kind, funny, engaging young man who made the classes he was in fun. SCPDBLUE and kerwin, you are on point. Children are children. And any parent worth having knows that life learning does not cut off when they get taller than you are. If you are going to have them, love them, take the time and teach them right from wrong. Educate them. Spend time with them. Talk to them. Learn what is going on in their world and help them process it and get through it. It is your obligation if you give birth to them. To Mark and his family and friends, you are in our family's thoughts and prayers as well.
January 11, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FMU_Gurl01 (anonymous) says...
Okay.. id liek to say a lil something to the people... Mark WAS a good kid.. he did everything to make someone smile.. I go to fort dorchester and he was a good friend of mine.. he never discouraged anyone or descriminated against them for anything.. i am a 17 year old mother... is was going thru some hard times with the whole school thing.. mark encouraged me to continue and do wats best for my son.. so now.. partly because of him i will be a student at francis marion in 2009.. and antwon shot him because they were having an arguement.. shot because a stupid arguement over rap music.. and no neither were drug dealers or any crap liek taht. mark didnt do drugs but yah antwon did sometimes.. people these days automatically think because were teen.. if we shoot someone or do something wrong its because of drugs, rap music, or video games.. WRONG.. teens go thru so much stress.. people have no idea how hard it is for us in society today.. we get mad and yes we get stupid little urges to act on them.. most dont but heck.. you see in the news today how you can kill someone, go to jail.. and be out in little to no time.. so hell were thinking, why not, not liek anything really bads going to happen to us.. the solution is the community should get involved more.. and the judiciary system needs to learn to punish people a little better.. if people would just inspire us a lil more and take the time with us and not just give up.. maybe we'll all change.. we cant just do it ourselves.. we need a lil inspiration and support. just a lil something to think about...
R.I.P. Mark "Peez" I love you soo much and i miss you dearly
January 11, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Dis (anonymous) says...
First, condolences to the deceased family...and to the young man's family that took his life.
Now let's be real: If you embrace a violent environment, you will likely face a violent death. Period.
I did not know this kid. But I had an opportunity to listen to his musical lyrics (Google his artist name). As an aspiring hip-hop artist, the lyrics were typical of what you hear today--disrespectful, violent, and lack of respect for self. As a fan of the traditional genre, it is sad how far this artform has fallen.
Saying all of this to say: His artform illustrates that he at the very least embraced some part of the street life that is the driving force behind black-on-black crime. And although his death is senseless, it would be even more senseless for black folks to continue to place their head in the sand and pretend that what influences our children does not have a significant impact on their lives (or whether they have a life).
Nope, hip-hop didn't kill him. But the mentality that is associated with it (particulary the hip-hop that gets played today) probably put him in the line of fire--as well as gave the shooter the irrational reason to kill.
Want your aspiring teenage rapper to live? Sign their behind up for music classes, and make them learn how to play an instrument and read music...(the more productive, the less time they will have to be in harm's way....). Demand that they do better in their traditional classes before puchasing that computer for them to make beats. Challenge them to unlock the artform in the natural sciences, or the quantitative sciences.
Let's turn some of these young aspiring black "rappers" into chemists, economists, financial planners, teachers, etc. At the very least, it will increase their life expectancy. Peace.
January 11, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCPDBLUE (anonymous) says...
THANK YOU Dis, You said it....
January 11, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
i am not even going to go into the racist comments and all the BS going on amongst kids and skin color. i am going to bypass all of that. i am the mother of a murdered 19 year old that was murdered in dorchester county. Right now this family needs condolences. they just lost a loved one. my heart breaks for his mom.....i lost my son in 2006. please try to keep your faith and know that he is wrapped in an angels wings and being carried. no one can ever understand the loss a mother feels unless they experience it. it hurts beyond anything you could imagine. to his mom, cry, yell, scream, and pray.....you will be ok. don't let anger overcome your heart....it will kill you. my sons killer is being tried next week. whatever the outcome i have faith that our awsome God will take care of things for me and no matter what the outcome his killer will meet his maker someday and that is when true justice will be served. all of you who make comments to this site... have a heart and respect their loss. in the same, the family of the accussed is going through a very difficult time now too. they in their own way have lost a loved one....no ones lives will ever be the same. the whole thing is just sad. many blessings to you.
January 11, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Concerned1 (anonymous) says...
I think it all goes back to us as parents. We all are quick to lay the blame on everyone else; BUT if we all ( no matter was race we are ) took an active and concerned role in the raising of our children, then crime, school expulsions, lousy grades, etc... would cease to exist or at least wouldn't be as high as it is now. Sure there are broken homes, both parents working and other excuses ... it's just too bad what has happened to both of these families. May God heal your pain and hopefully something good comes from this tragic incident.
January 11, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uhyeah (anonymous) says...
Why would you want to take someones creativity away just to make them a economist or chemist?
I'd rather die young and have fun with what I like doing
than to "increase my life expectancy" and be stuck doing something I hate.
Stop judging him if you didn't know him.
AND why would you sit here and blame his mom for what happened?
She's dealing with her son dying and you are all telling her that she did it to him.
That's probably the worst thing you could say.
January 11, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
preachlove (anonymous) says...
Enough talking. To all black males out there: We need to set the example and send a message that we do not condone this senseless killing in our communities. The so-called black leaders in our communities aren't doing a thing! Where is the NAACP, where is Robert Ford, Seth Whipper, Council Wendell Gailliard, influential people in our community? ANY BLACK MALES OUT THERE WANT TO JOIN ME IN TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THE STREETS THAT WE TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS BEHAVIOR? If you would like to help me, please email me at preachlove@yahoo.com. If I don't get anyone to join me, I'll hit the streets by myself. If I can change the mind of 1 kid and deter him from committing a senseless killing or engaging in a life of crime, all I can say, is at least I tried to make a difference.
January 11, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
imy_markholder (anonymous) says...
MY NAME IS HEATHER RILEY AND I AM A FRIEND OF MARK HOLDER. WE WENT TO FORT DORCHESTER TOGETHER AND I KNEW HIM PERSONALLY. I SAT NEXT TO HIM IN CLASS ALMOST EVERY 8TH PERIOD. THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL MARK HAD A GREAT ATTITUDE. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW MY NAME AND HE HELD A CONVERSATION WITH ME IN CLASS. HE WOULD PICK JOKES AND MAKE ME LAUGH CONSTANTLY TO THE POINT WHERE OUR 8TH PERIOD TEACHER WOULD HAVE TO MOVE MY SEAT BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE ME LAUGHING ALL PERIOD!!! IF YOU KNEW MARK YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HE WAS NOT A DRUG DEALER AND I NEVER WOULD BELEIVE THAT EVEN IF SOMEONE TOLD ME. HE WAS ALWAYS IN A RIGHT FRAME OF MIND. HE ALWAYS DID HIS WORK IN CLASS. I REMEMBER TIMES WHERE I WOULD BE DAYDREAMING IN CLASS AND I WOULD LOOK OVER AT HIM AND HE WOULD LIP TO ME "DO YOUR WORK." HE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE A SMILE ON HIS FACE. IT WAS SAD BUT AT THE SAME TIME AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE CRIED THEIR EYES OUT WHEN HE PASSED. I WALKED INTO THE GYM THAT MORNING AND MY LITTLE SISTER TOLD ME HE HAS PASSED. I PRACTICALLY CALLED HER A LIAR BECAUSE I DID NOT BELEIVE HER. I WENT INTO THE CAFETERIA BECAUSE I JUST KNEW HE WOULD BE STANDING AGAINST THAT WALL LIKE EVERY OTHER MORNING, BUT HE WASNT THERE. I BROKE DOWN AND CRIED. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT MARK WAS A HUGE INSPIRATION ON MY LIFE AND TO HIS MOTHER, YOU RAISED A HANDSOME SMART AND INTELLIGENT YOUNG MAN. YOU DONT NEED ME TO TELL YOU THAT IM SURE. HE INSPIRED ME TO WRITE POETRY AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT I HAD FELL OFF FROM. MARK IF YOUR LISTENIN..I LOVE YOU. I MISS YOU. AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MY BOY "MARK PEEZ!" OH YEA AND ME AND DAVID WILL KEEP UP THE "QUARTER BACK JOKE" LOL.
January 12, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Dis (anonymous) says...
{{Posted by uhyeah (anonymous) on January 11, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why would you want to take someones creativity away just to make them a economist or chemist?
I'd rather die young and have fun with what I like doing
than to "increase my life expectancy" and be stuck doing something I hate.}}
And therin lies the problem. There is so much that could be said about your statements above, the best thing is just to say...nothing.
Young brother, I hope your mindset is the exeception, and not the rule, of your generation. Because if it is the rule, I'm not sure anything can save you.
January 12, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uhyeah (anonymous) says...
First off I'm a white girl. I don't understand how being happy doing something you want to do is going to end my generation. Also I would really like to know what "Dis" does for a living, it might explain things better.
January 12, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FMU_Gurl01 (anonymous) says...
Again i say.. who cares wat yall want us to be.. either way you should just inspire us... encourage us on reaching our dreams... im not necessarily saying its the parents fault or anything.. but just quit being soo quick to give up on us... forreal... were liek playdough.. we need a lil pushing, and molding to become a masterpeice... please just listen to us.. im formally making a statement for all us teen... WE MAY NOT SAY IT OR ACT LIEK IT.. BUT INSIDE WERE SCREAMING OUT FOR YOUR LOVE AND SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 12, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
camigreen (anonymous) says...
Just to end the debate, the photo of the shooter is a DMV photo.
January 14, 2008 at 11:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
boller (anonymous) says...
I personally knew Mark for about 3 years. I dated his older brother who was in Iraq at the time of the shooting. I loved Mark like he was my own brother. He was a good kid with big dreams. Yes, he listened to rap and rapped himself. I've listened to his rap and it's about motivation and feel good songs. I feel upset because some of these comments are questioning Mark's character. And I KNOW FOR A FACT MARK WAS A GOOD YOUNG MAN. He isn't here to defend himself but i know my little brother and everytime I came to visit my boyfriend's family Mark was always in his room making music. To the FortDorchesterMom Mark wasn't into drugs. He was smart, funny, loved to cook and it's sad that you guys really won't know just how sweet of a man he was because he got his life taken away at such a young age. i'm happy i know him...i'm blessed that i got to know him...RiP mark bernard holder ..i'll always love you
December 14, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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