3 Bishop England football players arrested
Principal's son one of those accused by rival student
Three Bishop England High School football players, including the principal's son, were arrested Tuesday and accused of beating a Porter-Gaud High School student after a basketball game between the rivals in December.
The three seniors have been suspended, and all sports games between the two schools have been canceled for the remainder of the school year.
"The friendly rivalry has eroded," said Maria Aselage, spokeswoman for the Catholic Schools Office, of which Bishop England is a member.
The beating occurred Dec. 7 on Daniel Island after a basketball game between the schools at Bishop England, according to a police report. A 15-year-old Porter-Gaud student, who was not identified because he is a juvenile, told police his vehicle hit a curb in the parking lot in front of the school as he left.
Artigues
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When he stopped on Seven Farms Drive to check for damage to the vehicle, three young men approached him and assaulted him with closed fists, according to the report.
A witness took the victim to East Cooper Hospital. The witness also identified the assailants as three boys with whom he had attended elementary school.
The victim had bruises and an injury to his nose. He was treated in the emergency room and released that night, the report said. He later had surgery at Medical University Hospital, an affidavit said.
The suspects, all age 17, surrendered at the Charleston Police Department on Tuesday morning at the request of Sgt. Sterling Dutton, the sergeant said. He said they made no statement admitting involvement in the assault.
John Artigues of Sullivan's Island and Michael Hazel and James Alexander
Held, both of Charleston, are charged with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. They were released on their personal recognizance Tuesday night in bond court in Moncks Corner.
Held, son of Bishop England Principal David Held, was a linebacker. Hazel was a running back and Artigues played wide receiver and defensive back.
"We're working together to remedy the situation. The administrations are working in concert. We're looking for good, healthy ways to have a rivalry in the future," said Ed Steers, athletic director for Porter-Gaud.
Bishop England Athletic Director Paul Runey would not comment.
On Tuesday, parents of Bishop England and Porter-Gaud students received letters from school officials stating the games between Bishop England and Porter-Gaud have been canceled for the rest of the 2007-08 academic year.
That includes Saturday's basketball game at Porter-Gaud. Spring sports also will be canceled. They include soccer, tennis, golf and track and field.
Officials from both schools will review the situation at the end of the academic year and decide if the games will resume in time for the 2008-09 school year.
It's not the first time the schools have suspended competition. Both schools were vandalized by students in the days leading up to a football game in September 1997. The rivalry always included pranks such as toilet paper and signs. But in 1997, pranks included spray painting buses, walls and fences at the two schools. At Porter-Gaud, a monument was damaged and a figure was hung in effigy.
The two schools didn't play again until Porter-Gaud traveled to Bishop England for a basketball game on Dec. 10, 1999.
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castleton1 (anonymous) says...
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The principal of Bishop England High School, David Held, should resign.
As he has - obviously - been remiss in raising his own child, how can we expect him to continue to oversee the behavior of our children.
He should resign, forthwith.
Class of 1968
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January 9, 2008 at 1:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tulane75 (anonymous) says...
The above comment (castleton1) is simply a rush to judgment. You don't know all the facts, but you are willing to jump to the conclusion that Held should lose his job.
You base your judgment that Mr. Held has "been remiss in raising his own child" on a newspaper article? Is your logic that -If a child gets in trouble, then the parent has been remiss? One is not proof of the other.
Is there a hidden agenda in the castleton1 post?
January 9, 2008 at 4:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bluecap (anonymous) says...
The comment by castleton1 is right. The facts that these boys committed a cowardly and criminal act are all that are needed to show that all should be expelled from Bishop England and Mr. Held should resign.
This and earlier incidents show that the change at BE from a Roman Catholic school to a somewhat religiously connected prep school has not been a good thing. The priest rectors of Bishop England - Fr. O'Brien, Fr. Manning, Fr. Croghan and Fr. Kelly would never have tolerated an atmosphere where students would even consider such a cowardly assault.
No, Tulane75, I do not have an agenda, just a sadness over what has come to pass. I was class of 1964 at BE (played football too.) Over many years members of my family and my friends have attended Bishop England, Porter, Gaud, and Porter-Gaud.
As a father and grandfather I hope that I would do the right thing and resign if my son, or even my grandson, had done what Mr. Held's son did.
January 9, 2008 at 4:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
This has been going on for years! Resign, Please it was a bar room brawl at best. Get your elite noses out of the air. This crap went on when all of you were there too. Just this time they maid the papers. They got carried away and definetly should be punished, even expelled.
January 9, 2008 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mggoose2000 (anonymous) says...
My dad wasn't perfect when he was his dad's son and I certainly wasn't nor my son either.
How can I or someone else be held accountable for what their son/daughter does?
These calls for the principal to resign are ridiculous. If the young man is 17, that's old enough to know better and also answer for his crime.
Let's beat the right drum, here, folks.
January 9, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Kind of a silly comment, JohnQ. The parents of these kids don't have clauses in their mortgages regarding the personal conduct of their family members. Trying to stir the pot?
January 9, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
This has nothing to do with this article, I just have a question: What ever happened to Sametta Heyward? The "mother" of the two children that died after they were left in a hot vehicle??? I searched the site and the last article was in October...Does anyone know anything new??
January 9, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mlm (anonymous) says...
The above comment laments "the change at BE from a Roman Catholic school to a somewhat religiously connected prep school." Porter (now known as Porter-Gaud) also went from an Episcopal parochial school "to a somewhat religiously connected prep school."
I agree this should be sorted out first. I'm not excusing what was clearly cowardly, criminal and inexcusable behavior by the B-E students, but this is really an age old problem and tragically not limited to the "new" B-E. All around, we see the results of people who have failed to understand or take responsibility for their actions. They don't think about the consequences they bring upon themselves and others. Not to ignore the many young people who do get it right, it does make it harder for those with integrity to succeed. This is world that responds favorably to perceptions of power(an addiction of bullies) instead of individual merit (a true measure of the civilized).
Rivalries can be healthy provided they are based on true merit and not perceptions of power. We should ask what messages we as adults are sending to young people when we think they aren't listening. These may be messages that in many ways are rooted in our own prejudices, insecurities, ignorance and even envy.
BE, P-G, CHS, Burke & St.A (among many other local schools, public & private) benefited from healthy rivalries. As shown, sometimes these went too far. Excesses brought disgrace on all, not just the perpetrators. Today's emphasis on instant gratification makes anticipating these excesses more difficult. Too often the results are tragic, even deadly. This is not a video game. It doesn't help that too many of our schools and those who identify with them are no longer seen as part of a larger community with roots connected to supporting neighborhoods.
All around we see examples of the lessons we are teaching our young people. It's not just at B-E. (You can add Buist to this sad list). In very ordinary ways all of our schools are teaching our children intolerance and denial of responsibility. P-G certainly hasn't escaped the sting of this charge not long ago. Students from suburban Wando and wanna-be young gangstas from the inner city's Gadsden Green housing project have made equally shocking headlines recently. Each criminal acts of violence reflected an all too similar disregard for common sense, if not a total lack of moral responsibility.
Before we make a scapegoat out of the principal at B-E (let justice take its course), I would suggest that we also reconsider the messages about "us vs. them" or "right vs. wrong" that we are sending from EVERY "principal's" office and trustee's board room on a daily basis...from Daniel Island, Albemarle Point, 75 Calhoun St and even 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. This is what's shaping the attitudes of our young people and it's threatening the safety of all of us.
For the record, members of my immediate family attended or taught at B-E, P-G, CHS and Burke...but not St. A.
January 9, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MCgurl (anonymous) says...
Isn't it a law that 3 or more against 1 is considered lynching in this state?
If yes, did someone get preferential treatment?!?
January 9, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarkCCU (anonymous) says...
Wonderdog, These parent's don't have a clause stating that personal conduct of thier children could be grounds for eviction. Stop trying to compare apples to oranges. Anyway, this is classess. I remember going to school in September 1997 and seeing the vandalism done by PG and I remember the banned games. Three kids are not indicative of an entire population. Also, calling for Held to resign is premature. You can be the best parent in the world and your kids can still turn out to be trouble-makers.
Class of 2001.
January 9, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Beerkrugul (anonymous) says...
David Held should resign? Does that mean that the other two boys' fathers should lose thier jobs because they did not raise thier children properly?
January 9, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarkCCU (anonymous) says...
Castleton, my dad was Class of 68 and my mother was class of 69.
Recognize the name Kerr?
January 9, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DCartisan (anonymous) says...
What is with a 15 year old driving at night? I thought you had to be 16 years old to get your learner's permit and have an adult riding with you to drive, especially at night? I could be wrong but it is bad enough to have 16 year olds driving like idiots and when you add 15 year olds to the mix I smell trouble. No wonder my auto insurance is so expensive.
January 9, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
Its not like they killed someone. Its just high school kids being high school kids. I am sure something had to be said at 1 point. Not taking any sides, but this stuff happens.
January 9, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kma71 (anonymous) says...
I know the name Kerr very well. I went to Middleton with a few Kerrs. And also to St. Joseph's Church.
January 9, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarkCCU (anonymous) says...
I don't know any of us that went to Middleton. We were Blessed Sacrament and Bishop England people. My grandparents met at Bishop England.
January 9, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
upcountry (anonymous) says...
GANG activity....... Ugly Head.... East of the Cooper
1) Documented gang arrest.
2) Information, released ONE month past the attack. (wonder why)
3) Victim treated at East Cooper hosp. released.... later surgery at MUSC as a results of gang beating.
A GANG is a GANG, regardless to its locale.
January 9, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
obrbob (anonymous) says...
Wow...talk about snap to judgement. after just reading the first three posts, I'm stunned. First, the three have been charged with a crime, not found guilty of one. Two...to be held accountable for the actions of your child in a isolated incident is just flat stoooopid. If the kids were allowed to run wild have a history, then yes. But we don't know that from one article. Heck, we don't even know if it's true. Who's to say the 15 year old didn't throw the first punch? One question...what was a 15 year old driving at night alone? I thought you had to be 16 to drive....
Oh, and here's your sign...
January 9, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
I remember when Bishop England and Moultrie High School were the big enemies.I was too young to attend Moultrie, but I remember the fights back then during every football season. I hate to see this kind of poor sportsmanship between any schools. Regardless of whether this boy had done anything to provoke the BE students he didn't deserve to be beat up by 3 older boys. What big men they are. I would be so ashamed if they were mine. It's good that they got their names in the paper for all to see. I hope they are all embarrassed.
January 9, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
knowsfood (anonymous) says...
Canceling all the Spring sports b/t BE and PG is absurd. So 3 meat heads from BE are going to ruin the meetings b/t the 2 schools for the rest of the year...?? We are way to protective of a society these days. As the old saying goes, %&*# Happens, so lets move on. Also, the BE principal should not resign, give me a break, his kid got in a fight, so the kid should be expelled not the principal.
-PG Graduate
January 9, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Sorry, that's beaten up.
January 9, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nochasgirl (anonymous) says...
Driver's permit=15. Restricted license=15 1/2.
Three on one is nothing to be proud of, but teenagers having a fist fight is nothing new. Probably some words were exchanged, which may have led to the fight. When I was in high school, a fist fight in the hallway or after school was no big deal.
January 9, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
How many fights do you think happen on the other side of the Cooper that we don't hear about. You can't yell and scream special treatment about where it happened, because it is getting exposure and press because of who it is. On the other side (take away the fact that 1 is the son of the principal) there would not be all this press. Kids got into a fight, let the facts come out. It is hypocritical to say special treatment because of who they are, they are only in the paper of who they are and where they live.
January 9, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
Look on the bright side. No one pulled a gun.
January 9, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
upcountry (anonymous) says...
HIDE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND.. IF YOU DARE !!
GANG activity might comeback to haunt you should it not be acknowledged.
January 9, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MyView (anonymous) says...
Come on people........."he accidently hit a curb as he left and stopped to check the damage" If you buy that crap, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona up for sale. This was standard high school boy fights, probably after a long list of name calling and shouting. Nice to hear not every high school fight has guns. Get over yourself, don't prosecute these kids or parents for the schools or their neighborhoods. How many things did you get away with when you were 15-17?
January 9, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
3 words: Run, Forrest, Run!!!
January 9, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
After reading the first three post, maybe all of us that have raised children and are still, When the do something wrong we should all resign from our jobs and, live in poverty because we cant raise our kids to perfection like Castleton1. sounds like my sister in-law posting here. only she can raise perfect kid (yeah right)
January 9, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
You know what's ironic.....JohnQ does not back down for nothing and I can't blame him. The same posters on here that are saying that the parents should not be responsible for these kids actions (BTW I agree) are the same posters that are hollering that the Gadsden mothers should be responsible for their kids action.....
I guess I just don't understand how some of yall are flip floppy with your reasoning.
I guess these 3 students went home told the parents "Mom, we are going to go and do something stupid."
Just like the kids at Gadsden said "Mom I'm going to go and do something stupid ."
Since ALL of these kids are the tender ripe age of 16 and above whatever punishment they get they deserve it....but we can't blame mom and dad.
January 9, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whatelseisthere (anonymous) says...
I'm betting this isn't the very first scrap these 3 thugs have been in, nor the 15 year old.
The seniors should be suspended for a few weeks, pay the medical bills, apologize to both schools IN PERSON, and it be made part of their permanent school records. They should also be dismissed from all sports teams.
Fights happen, now it's time for the administrators and parents to act like adults and show some DECISIVE LEADERSHIP.
January 9, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cba (anonymous) says...
Mlm, you could not have said it better. You addressed every angle and issue perfectly. JohnQ, maybe you should check your paper again. They are not all white and they don't all live on Daniel Island.
January 9, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
waterbug (anonymous) says...
#1. 3 17 year olds on 1 15 year old ( woooo, football p layers also, they were real bad a sses. Is a 15 year old allowed to drive legally by himself? Also was this in daytime or night? I think the legal age is 16. ( not positive.
January 9, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MCgurl (anonymous) says...
Girleygirl ~ "The same posters on here that are saying that the parents should not be responsible for these kids actions (BTW I agree) are the same posters that are hollering that the Gadsden mothers should be responsible for their kids action.....
I guess I just don't understand how some of yall are flip floppy with your reasoning."
These 2 events are drastically different - the only reason the Gadsden mothers are held responsible is because IT WAS IN THEIR LEASE - there is no comparison of the 2.
January 9, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
It that rap music I tell 'ya!!!!
Dcartisan: thank you for pointing out such a glaring issue that many on this board overlooked. what was a 15 year old doing driving at night? was he alone w/o over 21 supervision? if he wasn't, why didn't someone help him? if so HIS parents were lax in their parental responsibility and should be charged for allowing someone so young to be driving on public roads w/o supervison.
January 9, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ssullivan1 (anonymous) says...
First to John Q. I am sure neither of these kids live in PUBLIC housing with a stipulation that they will be evicted if their kids are involved in a crime. Second lets not have a rush to judgement based on a news article. I don't believe that it contains all of the facts and if you think that it does, I have some of the same property to sell that MyView has. I know all 3 of these young men personally as my son has played football and attended school with them for many years and I don't believe this was a random act. What they did was wrong and they should be punished by being expelled and maybe charged with a misdemenor assault not a felony. There have been numerous bad acts between these 2 schools for years. I had my car vandalized by PG students at a game because I had a BE magnet on my car. My son was taunted and harrassed by a PG student at a basketball game and the police had to remove the student. Lets put all things in context, if the PG students parent was not a lawyer and the kids did not attend BE, would this be in the paper and a BREAKING NEWS STORY on channel 2. I know a young lady who attends West Ashley who was attacked by 3 girls and had her nose broken, required surgery and there was never a mention of it in the paper and the girls were not charged with a crime. So where is the special treatment...more like UNJUST treatment!!! Lets just pray that these young men learn a lesson and will be able to rebound from this to develop the great potential I know they all have!!
January 9, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JVJ (anonymous) says...
I'm amazed at the ignorance, arrogance and egomaniacal hypocricy that precipitates such statements as in the above that calls for the resignation of Mr. Held based (as presented) purely on the presumed actions of his son, particularly at this juncture in the investigative and judicial process. Should such statements be taken as indicative of democracy or akin to the process that insights a lynch mob/lynching? Could one go as far to presume that such kneejerk reactions and the emotions indicative therein are similar to those that insighted the incident itself, ergo in fact validating it? Do we still wonder where our culture is running amuck in it's decline in core values!? Even if you feel yourself somehow worthy to be deemed to function under an assumption that Young Mr. Held is in fact guilty as charged (based on a newspaper article), to what extent was his participation in same? To what extent is Mr. Held senior to be directly responsible for this presumed action of his "17" year old son given what is known to date? How does this correlate to his professional position anymore then anyone else? How many of you can state that your family is free of anyone who has historically transgressed legally, ethically and/or even violently? To what extent was his/her repective parent responsible and thereby convicted legally and/or professionally? I don't know any of the people involved herein but, I do know injustice when I whitness it. Mr. Held senior is in an influencial role in a school environment. Shouldn't he be judged purely upon his track record therein and thereon? If you can site an academic institution, no matter what level of prestige, where such incidents have never occurred then please enlighten me so that I can send my granchildren to same.
January 9, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MyView (anonymous) says...
EARLY-you are beyond words. Your comment is absurd. What kind of human being are you. I am certainly going to request that you be removed or "OUTED" from this forum. You are disgusting!!!!!!!!!!
January 9, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GG (anonymous) says...
mlm writes "In very ordinary ways all of our schools are teaching our children intolerance and denial of responsibility."
This is an absurd statement.
Schools aren't supposed to be a child's moral basis. Families are.
In my 35 years as an educator I never worked in or knew of any school that offered curriculum in intolerance and denial of responsibility. Quite the contrary, educators work everyday to teach acceptance and responsibility. Needless to say, it has become a daily struggle for our educators due to lack of family support.
To put any blame on the schools for these types of bully actions is ridiculous. No educator encourages this type of behavior.
This is why I wonder why there is always such a strong focus by the media on referring to these criminal acts as being committed by ??? High School students. Where they go to school is insignificant other than to sensationalize and inflame the issue. Typical old time yellow journalism.
January 9, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
whatelseisthere (anonymous) says...
Early---that's priceless, I like your style.
January 9, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
McGurl-
So parents are only responsible for their kids action because they signed a lease? For both cases I'm sure the parents involved would not allow the kids to do something as retarded as they did.
January 9, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hoppy (anonymous) says...
Wait. The act was cowardly on the part of the three regardless of the provocation of the one. Ergo, immediate suspension required, no wait for 'presumed innocent' legal determination. Because this determination duration probably lengthy, BE provision for academic support outside of the campus should have been provided until ultimate determination [kind of like suspension-with-pay]. BE headmaster also should have immediately taken the initiative to personally meet with the PG headmaster and apologize BECAUSE THE ACT WAS COWARDLY. The acknowledgement of the apology and the reason for it should then have been communicated to both student bodies and it be made clear that the apology did not characterize any measure of legal accountability. The lack of such 'defusing' has resulted in the cancellation of athletic competition between the schools for the season. It is the lack of these two actions on the part of the BE headmaster [suspension of cowards and defusing] that augurs for his removal. It has nothing to do with his son being involved; although that may have clouded his judgement. What would Nick Theos have done?
January 9, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
RICH KIDS TRYING TO ACT LIKE THUGS, BET THEY WOULD'NT PULL THAT CRAP WITH A STUDENT FROM NORTH CHARLESTON. ALSO HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THIS INCIDENT WITH THOSE GADSDEN KIDS ROBBING SOMEONE AT GUN POINT! ANYONE WHO THINKS IT IS SIMILAR SHOULD WALK DOWN STALL RD IN N. CHARLESTON ABOUT 12:00 AT NIGHT AND GET ROBBED THEN COME BACK AND SEE IF YOU THINK THEY STILL COMPARE!
January 9, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grannyofsix (anonymous) says...
Were these kids still on school property when all this happen? Just wondering here. I mean if this happen away from school why were they suspened? Does this mean if I go to to work at ABC inc. and I have an argument with the guy next store, who works for XYZ co. and the arugment is a mile or so from our jobs, then we can be fired right?
Not saying that what these kids did was right, by no means. But if it didnt happen on school property then why expell them or suspend them? Besides they take it as vacation anyway. Just asking is all dont bite my head off.
January 9, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
I have a question. Why do some people automatically shift blame to the parents when young adults commit crimes? Yes the parents are responsible for the proper upbringing of their children, but a parent can't be at their sides, 24/7 ensuring they hang out with the right group of kids and make the right decisions. Parents believe they raise their children with the right morals and respect, but sometimes who the kids choose as friends can tamper with everything you've taught them. This day and age, there's a need to be "cool". You wouldn't believe what some kids do to gain acceptance from their peers. These kids were 17. Old enough to know better, but still acted the way they did. This isn't their parents fault. They shouldn't be the fall guy this time.
January 9, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Grannyofsix- because they are athletes and this happen after an after school event. I think if this did not happen after a school event these kids would be in jail for lynching, driving under age, aggravated assult.
January 9, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rggr (anonymous) says...
From what I have heard, the car hitting the curb was actually spinning wheels and doing donuts on the BE campus. However, this is no excuse for three kids to beat up a younger kid.
January 9, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
Girleygirl-
The reason that the 2 families were being evicted was the special stipulation that is put on public housing, as well as section 8 housing. THAT is the difference.
" The Charleston Housing Authority has strict regulations that say an entire family may be evicted if any individual resident is involved in serious criminal activity.
Tenants sign a lease that includes a zero-tolerance policy for such offenses."
It is a difficult situation, but it was known up front. These children got their families thrown out, not anyone else. There is a huge difference between these two cases. If any of the 3 young men in this case live in public housing, then their families may face the same consequences.
January 9, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
Rggr: Is it ok for them to beat up an older or same aged kid?
January 9, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
mcGurl-
SECTION 16-3-220. Lynching in the second degree.
Any act of violence inflicted by a mob upon the body of another person and from which death does not result shall constitute the crime of lynching in the second degree and shall be a felony. Any person found guilty of lynching in the second degree shall be confined at hard labor in the State Penitentiary for a term not exceeding twenty years nor less than three years, at the discretion of the presiding judge.
Police most likeley determined that the crime did not "fit" this punishment.
January 9, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
LOL, Early...
January 9, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Posted by jscampb on January 9, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Girleygirl-
The reason that the 2 families were being evicted was the special stipulation that is put on public housing, as well as section 8 housing. THAT is the difference.
Trust me I understand that part but I can't believe some posters response to both cases. THAT"S MY POINT!! I would think that everyone would post something similar to each case.
You see some posters saying where was mom with Gadsden case and then the same poster that says mom and dad can't be everywhere in other cases. I just can't understand why some posters believe mom has to be everywhere and then say mom can't be everywhere. That's my only thing. I know mom and dad can't be everywhere and I only brought this up because the first post that says the principal should resign for his kid actions. WTF?? Mom and dad can't be accountable for everything and each week when something happens with a child you see the same post where was mom and then next week the same poster will say don't blame Mom.....that's the part I don't understand.
January 9, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reality (anonymous) says...
The 15 year old PG kid ( driving illegally I imagine since it was after dark w/o an adult) was witnessed doing doughnuts and driving over and damaging a sign on BE property IE : pulling over to check damage to his car. It was witnessed by the 3 arrested - they gave chase and did something incredibly stupid. I wonder if charges were pressed for doing damage to school property??
Anyway the moron that said the principal should resign - is just that - a moron. If all of us parents lost our job because something stupid our kids did...then the majority of us would be unemployed Maybe the 15 yr olds father should be fired as an attorney because he let his kid drive at night and do doughnuts on private property.
January 9, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southerner (anonymous) says...
This man is in a public office, he is an educator,he is suppose to set an example for others to follow. If he can not teach his own son to respect others,to know right from wrong, then why should we let him teach our children? He should resign his position, not be fired, but resign.
January 9, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
disco (anonymous) says...
I say their punishment should be.... to attend Stall High School for the rest of the year!
January 9, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MyView (anonymous) says...
Lets rush to judgement on the parents.......goodness knows all of us parents out there can watch our children 24/7 and expect them to be perfect...we were...right??? OH, wait a minute this is the real world.....and that's only in someone's tiny little view of the dream world they live in. If everyone...including Southerner and caslteon1 were judge solely by a regretable incident from their teenage years I'm sure our prisons would be much more populated than our work force.
By the way......re-read the story it mentions the date of the incident, not the time. How do you know the 15 year old was driving at night??????
Early-obviously you are beyond help of mere mortals. Good luck with that.
January 9, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CHRISJIII (anonymous) says...
What a bunch of hypocrites!!!! When a crime was committed by a group of poor, minority kids you all called for their heads as well as those of their families'. Now that we have a group of students who are from wealthier backgrounds and the majority of them are white you want to treat it like it was a prank. Whether you're being held up by someone with a pellet gun or being brutalized by a gang it's still a crime and they should be held accountable. If the stick up guys families have to pay for their actions then the same should be expected of the families of the gangsters.
January 9, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Wondering (anonymous) says...
Is it possible that the school rivalry excuse is just that,
and that one or more of these three bullies has, can, or will engage in this kind of behavior because he has never had to face consequences for bullying before? Seems to me that if you don't take care of this when they're little, everyone ends up with a problem when they're big. Does anyone know whether they've always been well-behaved, polite darlings and suddenly snapped on one occasion, or is there some kind of history of bullying behavior?
January 9, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
algorelost (anonymous) says...
Maybe as punishment each family of these three kids should host one fo the families getting kicked out of Gadsen Green.
January 9, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
Early, I have to say after a few early months of bitter hostility, you are slowly becoming one of my favorite people on the board. (emphasis on slowly)
Once again there is hypocrisy, which is it board? Either parents need to be responsible for all of their kids actions or its impossible for them to be there 24/7? Different strokes for different folks I suppose. But the hypocrisy on this issue is outstanding.
January 9, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Test2007 (anonymous) says...
lol Early. Was just reading the post and had to comment on that.
hilarious!
January 9, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
MyView - It is easy to deduce that it was at night. The game was on Friday, December 7. The game was scheduled for 8:00 pm. The sun set that day at 5:14 p.m. IT WAS AFTER DARK!!!
CHRISJIII - One child is a "minority", and unless you have the financial statements of all involved, then you are not sure of their economic situation ("wealthier backrounds"). Both Bishop England and Porter Gaud offer financial aid programs.
January 9, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
CHRISJIII, THESE BOYS ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR WHAT THEY DID. BUT COMPARING THE SITUATION WITH THE GADSDEN KIDS IS COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. AND IS THERE A GANG ON DANIELS ISLAND!??? IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE THE GADSDEN INCIDENT TO SOMETHING TRY THE WANDO HIGH KIDS THAT ROBBED SEVERAL PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES. THEY ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR WHAT THEY DID AS WELL. STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING A RACE ISSUE
January 9, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
Thats how things should be done these days. If he was doing doughnuts and driving over and damaging a sign on BE property that he deserves an a$$ beating. Things take care of themselves. If someone owes you money, and won't pay, why take then to court. They use to just go and take their property for repayment. Too much legal and government involved. People need to take care of things themselves. If you act like a jack a$$ then you give up all rights and should get taken care of. I bet he will never act like that again.
January 9, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
SINCE WHEN DOES THE WORD MINORITY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE? MINORITY REFERS TO THE PERCENTAGE OF A ETHNICITY IN A CERTAIN POPULATION.
January 9, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Gouper (anonymous) says...
All,
A lot of discussion about what actions "should" be taken.
It's all pretty straight forward:
As for the 3 BE students: The Student Handbook is very clear as to the reasons for expulsion.
As for Mr. Held: The Diocese of Charleston will decide.
As for the parents of the BE students: The civil courts will decide ($$$$).
Given that, we now can concentrate on something a little more meaningful.
January 9, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CofC_Will (anonymous) says...
Local school rivalry has gone on long before you and I attended high school. Because I have grown up in this area, I understand what these kids were thinking which resulted in their actions. First of all, NO, it is not right what the BE students did. However, I must clarify that I heard that this student from Porter-Gaud is not a saint in this event either; he created the confrontation by driving over Bishop England's front lawn in order to leave tire marks on the sodded grounds. And yes, two wrongs do not make a right, but, let's not jump to conclusions or sides either and make this a witch trial in regards to the parents and/or principal. The bottom line is that the BE students should be punished for their actions by suspension or expulsion and they should face whatever fate the courts decide to hand them at the time of their trial(s).
January 9, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kudzu (anonymous) says...
At the very least, these boys should be expelled immediately! A few years ago, David Held expelled my brother for punching another student. He was expelled immediately without discussion. Why are these boys just suspended?????
January 9, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
No the Wando kids did a heist....2 people in the store robbing folks and 4 lookouts outside...that was a heist. THOUGHT OUT AND CALCULATED. They split the "score" equally! No one blamed the parents for that incident and again the parents should not be blamed.
Everything that happened at Goose Creek High School before Christmas break. Kids bringing guns to school fighting and going crazy. Again the parents were not blamed and they should not be blamed.
The mother whose two children died within a year. Her second child age 19 sitting on the porch with his friends. He was shot and killed, everyone was worried about the mother's shirt and blamed her for her son's death.
The poor little 14 year old girl that died right before Christmas when she took her father's car out. No one blamed the parents and the parents should not be blamed.
The little kid in Berkeley county (age 5 I think) he took a gun to school and no one blamed the parents and the parents SHOULD be blamed.
3 different kids from 3 different families rob someone with a fake or a real gun and the parents face evictions and the mothers are blamed because they have more children than the norm and live in public housing. These parents should not be blamed for the stupid actions done by the kids as well.
Now we have this incident where school rivalry and a prank is the blame. Kids are going to be kids (that is what some of you all are saying) and there is about 2 or 3 posters that are blaming one parent for his son's actions and I don't care if he was a Mayor. He should not be blamed.
Please tell me why I can't compare cases because a lot of yall are hypocrites. One day Mom is blamed for everything and the next day we should not blame mom.....
You never stop being a parent, but when do you stop blaming the parent for everything stupid a child has done. Think about it in 3 years or less these "children" would be of age.
January 9, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCVOTER (anonymous) says...
Early...I agree with SCdeacinNYC. I like the idea of making them all go to Stall for the next semester.
January 9, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCdeacinNYC (anonymous) says...
THANK YOU Girleygirl...you hit the nail on the head.
January 9, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mdtpace (anonymous) says...
ChrisJIII is liberal douche who probably went to PG, driving his mommy's BMW with a Free Tibet sticker on it. The kid from PG was doing donuts on the football field, being a little punk and deserves to be arrested for destruction of private property. If his parents had done their job, he wouldn't have been tearing up the BE campus with his car. He deserved a beating, just not one as severe as he got. As for the 3 BE students, expel them, prosecute them, and then let them try and get into college and get jobs with a felony conviction. All 4 of these kids involved deserve whatever they get. Prosecute them all, maybe the jail can have a Wando/PG/BE wing built with endowment money from the parents of all of these shi$$y kids. I weep for the future.
January 9, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reality (anonymous) says...
how do we know it was a night was the question...because 12/7 the basketball game was at 730pm, the incident was after the game..I am assumming that is night
January 9, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tmtoyh (anonymous) says...
Here are the facts as I know them.
1) This incident followed the game where BE students chose to where nooses around their necks. This following a recent suicide of a PG student.
2) BE refused to punish the students involved in the noose incident as it did not come down from the Catholic Schools Office that the children should be punished in any manor.
What does matter is, how can school rivalries go so far? Recently in the media the Citadel Cadets were under fire for their slanderous display at a basketball game. These Cadets aplogized. Why should the BE students not be held accountable to an apology? Especially with this assault incident directly following the noose incident. Strong words were likely shared between the schools--which increased tension.
These 3 students were likely caught up in a moment. Why people resort to violence is beyond me, but it does happen. Should these boys be held accountable, absolutely! Do their parents hold responsibilty in this, of course--they are minors. However, for the principal to lose his job over this incident should be for the Catholic Schools Office to decide. Was the entire incident handled properly? I don't think it should reflect soley on his responsibilty as a parent.
January 9, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
By the way - Bishop England won the game......55-54 in O.T.
January 9, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scdog (anonymous) says...
how many BE students does it take to beat a 15 year old prep? 3???!!! at least when college doesnt work out for them they have a future in UFC fighting.
January 9, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
Girleygirl YOU ARE STILL MISSING THE KEY FACT. THE PARENTS OF THE GADSDEN KIDS SIGNED A LEGAL CONTRACT SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE EVICTED IF ANYONE IN THE RESD COMMITED A CRIME! THEY AREN'T BEING PICKED ON. THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT AND EVERYONE IN THE RESIDENCE KNEW ABOUT IT OR AT LEAST SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT.
January 9, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
YOU THINK THE GADSDEN KIDS DID'NT PLAN THOSE TWO ROBBERIES! THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE WITH A GUN. THEN WHEN THE 1ST ATTEMPT WASNT SUCCESSFUL THEY ROBBED SOMEONE ELSE. SOUNDS PLANNED TO ME
January 9, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SOMWILLIS (anonymous) says...
My understandng of this story is one of these boys threw the punches, one of these boys is being falsely accused and the other was at the location but not involved.
I'm dissapointed that there are so many errors being reported in this story. Five very fine young men are paying the price of the bad decision of one of these boys.
January 9, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mackeralsnapper (anonymous) says...
Yes...these three should be expelled, not suspended...as to whether or not Held should resign, I'm conflicted...on the one hand, his position is unique...his sons actions have seriously undermined his moral authority (a distinction from the other parents, whose jobs aren't directly tied to the event)...on the other, Thank God my parents weren't held accountable for every stupid thing I did...
January 9, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Macoa- I am not missing ANYTHING.
I'm, not talking about the lease. I'm talking about the hyprocrites on this board. When do we blame mom and when do we stop blaming mom. I read your post the 1st time and I know they signed a lease. I'm talking about the HYPROCRITES.
WHEN DO YOU STOP BLAMING MOM FOR EVERYTHING!!!
January 9, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
considerthefacts (anonymous) says...
why is this news such a big deal? 3 teenagers beat up another teenager and they are arrested and charged...happens everyday. Who cares what color they are, or who their parents are, where they go to school, or how wealthy they might be. They broke the law and are arrested. If the victim was driving illegally or trashing private property, he should be arrested also
January 9, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
southbel (anonymous) says...
Quote from SOMWILLIS:
"My understandng of this story is one of these boys threw the punches, one of these boys is being falsely accused and the other was at the location but not involved.
I'm dissapointed that there are so many errors being reported in this story. Five very fine young men are paying the price of the bad decision of one of these boys."
Yes, SOMWILLIS, that is the understanding that I have of this incident as well and in addition, this PG student was indeed vandalizing the BE campus prior to this fight. I find the fact that any of this had to come to any violence at all completely unfortunate and should not have happened. Now, these three boys are looking at up to 10 years in prison if convicted of this crime.
P&C, for once, please do some investigative journalism and please get the facts of the story correct. I do understand that it is so easy to just report what the news release says rather than to actually find out what the real story is behind an incident, as we have seen this happen time and again with many incidents in Charleston. I would like a media outlet that actually wants to report what is truly going on versus what is just being fed to us through a news release.
January 9, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mackeralsnapper (anonymous) says...
and, furthermore...rather than whining about a broken nose...the "victim" shoulda just dusted himself off, rounded up some buddies, hunted these three down....and beat the crap outta them...even the score...grab a beer...and move on....
January 9, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
Does anyone know where the article is about the evictions of the families who reside at Gadsden Green. I was reading on it earlier, but I don't see it anymore...
January 9, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jscampb (anonymous) says...
Pratt07-here is the link - copy and paste:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/d...
January 9, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO THE PARENTS TO SET PROPER EXAMPLES FOR THEIR CHILDREN. DISCIPLINE STARTS AT HOME. IM NOT QUITE SURE HOW PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT EXAMPLES ARE THESE KIDS BEING TAUGHT, THAT ITS OK TO DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT. THE PARENT ARE TEACHING THEIR KIDS THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW RULES. ITS THE PARENTS FAULT FOR NOT RAISING THEIR KIDS PROPERLY. THEY ARE JUVENILE AND ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENT, AND IF YOU AREN'T PREPARED FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY THEN YOU SHOULD'NT HAVE ONE OR FIVE FOR THAT MATTER.
January 9, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rooster07 (anonymous) says...
When I was in high school (which was only 13years ago) kids beat each other up all the time and it was never in the news. I'm not sure they always were arrested either.
Flinsc is right. Just high school boys being high school boys. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished ( a night in lockdown never hurt anyone), but the media and some people are blowing this way out of proportion.
January 9, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nochasgirl (anonymous) says...
Nobody plans on their children doing something wrong. I'm sure these boys didn't plan the fight. The fight was a reaction to the victim's behavior. However, if I knew that I could be evicted from my home, I would probably constantly warn my children and keep a close eye on them, if I thought they could possibly get into trouble. I'm glad I grew up when I did, when men were men. They could duke it out, and then walk away.
January 9, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
MY LAST COMMENT GOES FOR EVERY CHILD FROM EAST OF THE COOPER TO CALIFORNIA REGARDLESS OF RACE OF FINACIAL BACKGROUND. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT JUVENILE MISCHIEF IM TALKING ABOUT DRUGS, GUNS, AND VIOLENT CRIMES
January 9, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Mocoa- I am not defending none of these kids so please stop reading my post like I am. I am simply saying why is mom being blamed in certain cases and not others. If you can answer that for me then please do so.
SCdeac & Allwoman I get frustrated when I see things like this I truly want to call people out but I'm not here to down someone just to make myself look better. My beliefs are the same and will always be the same no matter the situation and I wish other posters on this board would keep it real to themselves.
January 9, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
Thanks, guys. Allwoman, I actually was reading up on another article and I found the link under right where you said it was, which I have always known to look there but I guess someone needs new glasses, huh...
:)
January 9, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
"Kids will be kids" I have no problem with that. "kids will be felons" I have a problem with.
January 9, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ThisIsInteresting (anonymous) says...
Mr. Held did almost everything wrong in this situation. The kids that did the beating were in school for 2 weeks after it happend. EVERYONE knew about it even all the facutly and Mr. Held, but no punishment??.. That week i got written up for chewing gum and in my head i was thinking these three kids beat up some kid to the point where he needed to get surgery and they arent getting in any trouble because the principles son was involved.. completly not fair. Then when Mr. Held realized parents were getting involved and wondering why these kids werent geting in trouble, and parents even e-mailed him.. then he decides to suspend them 3 weeks after the actually fight. and this article is making it out to be that the kids beat him for absolutly no reason, in no way do i agree that they should have beat him up but after the game he was doing donuts in the parking lot and probably said somethings, and from my experience at BE Gilly, Alex, and Hazel are the people you really dont want to mess with. Also, Mr. Held has strict rules and when a party with alcohol is foudn out by the faculty the kids found there are suppose to be in detention (its in the school handbook) About 3 parties have gotten busted, but becuase Alex Held was there the school did nothing to get them in trouble.
January 9, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
God saids we are not suppose to judge. we do not know what happened none of us were there. i feel that the 3 boys are more of a victm than the 15 year old boy is. they had to go to jail,plus got kicked out of school,plus they are put on front page news like they have murdered someone.Comeon people there is 2 sides to a story, and to be honest why would any one in there right mind hit a boy because he hit a curb.And that was all it was 1 hit by one of the 3 boys.all 3 boys got in trouble and 2 of them didn't do anything ,so how can they be called bullies or that are a gang.How would you feel as parent if the same situation were to happen to you everyday we all are changelled it could haved just as easily been one of our on. So stop passing judgement.I know for a fact that one of the boys came from a very nice family and they have very high standards.
January 9, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
I'm sorry, but I've read all the comments and everyone that has said something negative about this whole tragedy, "you don't even know the true story." I'm best friends with one of the boy's sister. I have known the Held family for 6 years. They have to be the most faith filled family I know. Mr. Held is my principal and he is excellent with what he has to work with everyday for the past 10 years. I have been going through the pain with my best friend for the past month and for people to just say "what horrible people", that is just so sad. We are all human. We all make mistakes... Kind of like this news paper that can't get its facts strait. But please, dont get me wrong, I feel for the poor boy who got beat up, I really do. I just do know for a fact that the boys who did the crime are going through so much mental pain right now. They might be getting expelled from school...I just cant comprehend the idea of how taking an education away is the best answer. It only results in more anger. Please, to anyone who reads this (I know Im writing a novel and I'm sorry) put yourself in the familys' shoes. They are all good people. I know each one personally. Think about the outcome...who really wins in a tragedy like this?
January 9, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
henry (anonymous) says...
In regard to damage being done by the victim to BE property is false. Several people who heard about the incident right after it happened (not a month later) went to the school to see if it was true and they found no damage to the school any where. Also, Reality, the "moron" who said that David Held should lose his job hit the nail on the head. These kids were not held accountable at all in the beginning. One was even allowed to continue on the wrestling team. Because of the miss handling by the current administration(Mr. Held) the disiplinary actions to be made have been placed in hands of the Diocese. Rest assured had it been any other students the punishments would have come swift and been hard. Wondering was correct in wondering if any of these kids have been in trouble before. Anyone who has been a part of BE for the last few year knows that these boys have gotten away with far too much for far too long.
January 9, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
alright KIDS! i've got a tid-bit for almost all of you...
upcountry....wow--gang...thats a little umm..Radical!!!sure there were a few of them associated with a crime (which is GANG by def.)but gang also implies repetitive actions as such
DCatrisan... another little something for you to chew on...not in police report...driving intoxicated
Obrbob...he was NOT alone as the first punch was thrown the 3 OTHER BOYS WITH HIM booked it!
RTC...OBVIOUSLY they are embarassed...their SENIOR YEAR... leaving the school they have attended since freshman year... starting over... all that sh!t...
JohnQ...it's God not god...and God love everyone...you would know that if you had payed 5 seconds of attention in your theology class at either school!
MACOA... it's DANIEL ISLAND... singular non-possessive... you also have so much ignorant crap... i just wont go there!
scdog... jokes made about the matter is ridiculous...ALL of the students involved were bright young men... however... all of them made bad choices....
for all the rest who are interested... I AM A SENIOR AT BISHOP ENGLAND!!! AND KNOW ALL OF THE BOYS INVOLVED...Michael Hazel was not involved in the actual fight...Gilly (John) Artigues was the only one who PHYSICALLY touched the PG student... whom I also know personally... and as for the nooses... i heard nothing about that and would have... the death of Peter Marenakos was a tragic one... i sailed with him @ CCS for the past 3 years... i attended the funeral earlier that morning....
there is NO excuse for what happened... but at least get all the facts... IN ORDER AND CORRECT!!!!
as we all know... the media may twist the truth for a better story... and add opinion... which is EDITORIALIZING!!!
the PG student was doing doughnuts in the field.... he also hit a sign and flipped the bird to the BE students.... this was not an accident ... the PG student knew EXACTLY what he was doing....
it is a tragic loss of 5 of my dearest classmates that WITHDREW from BE... we miss them.. and DAVID HELD is a WONDERFUL man and princiPAL!
It is a sure struggle for everyone involved...except for our lovely PG student... who oops... BUMPED THE CURB... no way
sorry about my bias...but i cant help it! and knowing a little bit more than what the article reveals helps a little...
PROUD TO BE A BISHOP BACKER...
CLASS OF 2008!
January 9, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
walleyedwoman1215 (anonymous) says...
Early and JohnQ, you slay me. I need to go boil pigs' feet for dinner but I can't stop snickering!!!
January 9, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kudzu (anonymous) says...
hero1648-
Since you know the Held family personally, why don't you ask David Held himself how many times he has "taken away an education" from BE students for fighting? My brother was one of them and I can name 4 or 5 other students that had the same thing happen to them. No one is saying the Held family is bad but Mr. Held is being paid to do a job he is not doing.
January 9, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Well love kids- you have to remember the hand of one is the hand of all. If you and I were best friends and I robbed someone and we both run and hide. You too will be charged.
Just because you came from a nice family with high standards only mean that you did not follow by your parents example. I mean heck the 15 year old did have to go to the hospital and the other 2 boys did nothing to stop this kid from getting beat up so yes they are just as responsible. If this fight happened at dark in the street what if one of these 4 kids fell down hit their head onto the ground and died. All of those kids would be charged with, at the least, involuntary manslaughter.
Allwoman- I'm going to let it go because no one is going to answer my question as well and next week when something happens with another child involved. I will wait to see what folks will post and try not to get heated. :>)
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January 9, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
kudzu:
Mr. Held hasnt been able to do anything in this whole situation. The administration has been working behind his back and making decisions without his permission. I know he's Alex's son, but he's still the principal.
Blync: Thank you... I totally agree. Hazel is innocent!!!
January 9, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
to let you know this is the first time that i personaly know for a fact that one of the boys has ever gotten into trouble. I don't see how you can say what you are saying.This one i am talking about his dad is very well none bussines man in s.c. His family has done alot for B.E. i feel thier punshiment was to much. and then to be put on the front page news is just flat out crazy. i feel for the boy that got hit, but as adults we all know including you Henry sometimes things happen's to cause us to do stupid things. such as fighting. doesn't make us bad people.we just lose ourselves.That is apart of being human.
January 9, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kudzu (anonymous) says...
How different this entire situation would be if Nick Theos were still alive! God rest his soul!
January 9, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
allwoman... im a young lady.... but thank you...
hero1648... the administration was not working behind his back.... all the decisions were left up to the DIocese BECAUSE Mr. Held had a bias.. b/c Alex is his son...
when I read the article and some of the comments made about it i began to shake with rage... WHAT THE H ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING!
January 9, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
blync- You speak (or type, rather) better than half the adults that comment on the articles, LOL...
I was reading a post by henry, which is listed above your initial post. I was wondering what your take is on this.
January 9, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
Excuse me, let me specify...
Posted by henry on January 9, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In regard to damage being done by the victim to BE property is false.
January 9, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
love_kids.... just because gilly's father has done blah blah blah for BE and he lives here doesn't mean that Gilly shouldn't be held accountable for what he did.... FOR ONCE!... i dont think your takin the right approach with this.. im NOT a mother...so i may not understand but GILLY HAS gone to military school for his behavior before... IN 6TH GRADE!.. HIS BEHAVIOR IS NOTHING NEW... and would you like to know where he gets it from..... HIS DADDY!
January 9, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
blync am i ignorant because you don't agree with me? you think that this situation can be compared to that of the gadsden kids please enlighten me as what exactly i am ignorant about? and please lets not be nit picky about grammer and spelling
January 9, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
How much less chaos there would be if the media would mind its own buisness. How would you like to find out "the wrong information" about your family on the news even before you get to talk to them . Or how about this. you're sitting in the library during school trying to do homework and about 10 students surround a newspaper laughing and commenting "wow, that sucks!" about your brother being on the front page. What happened to respect in this world?
January 9, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
MACOA... im not talkin about the Gadsden kids.... im saying that most people commenting on this article are ignorant to MOST OF WHAT HAPPENED...aka...THE TRUTH...
im sorry about the grammar/spelling.. but ive gone to school there for 4 years now... its a pet-peeve... my apologies that i had to take it out on you...
i also dont appreciate the condescending tone... is it because im younger than you that you feel threatened... WAIT MAYBE WE SHOULD FIGHT ABOUT IT.... sorry... had to add that!
Pratt07... thank you ... that's the fine BISHOP ENGLAND education shining through!
January 9, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
henry (anonymous) says...
love_kids, this was not a fight, it was technically a lynching. Only one of the boys did the beating because the other two were busy holding him down. Everybody does stupid things no doubt about it and if that is what you want to call this well those boys have done more than their share of stupid things. Let justice prevail
January 9, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
Blync: I totally agree in everything you say...i guess I'm just a bias myself. I'm a senior too at Bishop England. We know the true story. Its just unfortunate that "others" comment on just how it looks and without thinking of anyone else except themselves.
January 9, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
henry, what/who is your source?
I'm just hearing conflicting stories, I'd like to hear both sides.
January 9, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
love_kids (anonymous) says...
as far as for the other 2 boys stopping the one boy from througing the hit how are you going to stop something that most likely happened fast. and was only one lick. the 15 year old shouldn't have been egging things on.that's what caused the whole thing. it is a night i am sure they wished had not happened
January 9, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
i'll attest to hearing that the PG student was held down ..... but my quetion is if he was held down why does he not have cracked ribs and fractures anywhere.... and why would he NEED to be held down....GILLY was a wrestler for 3 years... if he wanted to he could have done some serious damage
January 9, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
love_kids.... common i really dont want to spell this out for you..... NO ONE STOPPED THEM! there were 3 PG boys that ran off....HID.... AND CAME BACK! the other boys knew PRECISELY what would happen... they chose to run and do nothing to help their FRIEND!... now it would be less of an issue if they had stayed...
wait was that their plan????
January 9, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
Let justice prevail? ok and what would be you idea of that? Locking these kids down? Expelling them from school? Paying thousands of dollars to the family of the pg kid in terms of legal issues? Humilliating them with the media? In the end, how will any of those help? Please, I would love to know. I do believe in justice. I am a strong supporter for the underdog in any situation. But one thing I don't believe in is revenge. I go to Bishop England and it does say in the bible "an eye for an eye" but I have to dissagree. Two wrongs don't make a right. I believe in rehabilitation, second chances, and working with those to help overcome hatred. You can throw out mean comments because its easy to say. But its not doing anything. And I really do feel for those boys because they really have (whether you choose to believe it or not) gone through so much pain. So please whats your idea of justice?
January 9, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
I'll I can say is WoW! Looks like there are some really angry people out there. Sports used to not be like this.
Steriods, out right cheating, payoffs to refs, oh my...
Back in the day players just were nicer people.
You can read about the Yankee's Tommy John and the Hall of Fame here:
postandcourierblogs.com/life_floating_by/
January 9, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
unisatis75 (anonymous) says...
hero1648 - I feel for what you and the Held family must be going through.
January 9, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
henry (anonymous) says...
love_kids I am quite sure that it is a night that they wished had not happened but you have to realize that regardless of what the victim did, didn't do or said, didn't say does not justify what happened to him.
January 9, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
motoryachtsoco: wow that was pretty random...true...but random.
January 9, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
hero1648... thank you!!! i'll clap for you in the hall tomorrow!...count on it!!!... this is ridiculous... everyone knows what an outstanding reputation Bishop England has... i suppose its just that people are shocked... and as of right now...i'm thinking that more has been done than is neccesary...
MotoryachtSoCo.. you may not care too much about what has happened... but there are MANY of us that DO! so if you dont mind....i am in no way tryin to be rude or offensive but this is a serious issue for the Bishop England and CHARLESTON community...sports is not really the issue here!
January 9, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rggr (anonymous) says...
Hey_U_Guys,
Is this really what you think I was saying in my post? You've got to be kidding me.
"Rggr: Is it ok for them to beat up an older or same aged kid?"
January 9, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pratt07 (anonymous) says...
Hero, I'm not being an @$$ by any means, I've enjoyed reading your posts along with your fellow student.
"I believe in rehabilitation, second chances, and working with those to help overcome hatred."
Very well said, but in realistically, the kid or kids who committed the crime are going to have to bite the bullet and take responsibility. Even if that means humiliation by the media, expulsion and having to pay hefty fines or even do jail time should criminal charges be pressed. Maybe they are good students, and well educated with no priors. That could most certainly have some bearing on their punishment. They are old enough to know the repercussions of such actions. As far as the PG student, if he was vandalizing as some mention, he too should face the consequences as well. If you were the PG student who had their @$$ kicked, would you want them punished to the fullest extent?
January 9, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Reality (anonymous) says...
in addition when is the Post and Courier going to stop having this kind of journalism. 3 Bishop England Football Players Arrested. 1st of all football was over 2 months ago. All are seniors and no longer played football. One wrestled. Same deal as the Wando incident. P&G wondering how it was going to affect the Summerville/Wano football game instead of how it affected the accused lives. One day I'd like to see the Post and Courier have these headlines " 5 members of the Spanish Club arrested for shoplifting" If every school yard fight was put in the paper it would 1oo pages each day. The fact is it was a PG kid and BE students- makes a great news story - at the expense of further affecting the families involved. Same goes for the news stations - lets televise every teenage fight - it goes on every day at every school - sad but true
January 9, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thoughtful (anonymous) says...
Our Society is made up of FAMILIES.
Our Society will be
What the HEADS OF THESE FAMILIES determine it will be.
I do remember also, that even with the BEST LIFE example, your children can still CHOOSE to do wrong when THEY KNOW TO DO RIGHT.
Let's pray these young people learn to make right decisions after this experience that THEY ALONE ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE for dragging their families, school, and communities through the mud.
They humilated their families, they humiliated themselves.
January 9, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
Alright JohnQ....it's on!
There is only one God... He loves all people... the argument about your "god" ...does not hold water...sorry i may only be a high school senior...maybe more religiously educated than you... seeing as how i've attended almost every church of the CHRISTIAN religion both PROTESTANT &CATHOLIC... i've also been educated (by BE) of other countries religions... THERE IS NO SUCH "god"...
as far as the real world is concerned.. i think i might have an idea..seeing what ive seen and hearing what ive heard... i wont go through the details and depress you with them... at the tender age of 17 i've had my slice of the real world pie.. i know im in for more.. but i've had quite enough and some for the road!
January 9, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
Blync:Amen!!!
January 9, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
reality and thoughtful....
thank you.....
i would also like to point out that not all BE students are trouble-makers.... and I'm not sure if this has aired yet or not...but yesterday at 5:15PM
Johnson Bayne, a BE sophomore, was awarded the Berkley Electric Co-op's Civic Award and Student of the Month for his efforts reguarding the money raised for the Leukemia Cup and the Father Kelly Cup, placed in his memory.( God rest him.)
But no one cares about the feel-good stories anymore...thats why the come on last...if there's any time for them at all!
How do I know? I sail with him... I WAS THERE!
January 9, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Beerkrugul (anonymous) says...
God I miss Father Manning!
January 9, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
JohnQ...
Again apologizing for a misunderstanding... i realize im young but i still have been through some things that most adults have never had to go through...which may or may not be hard to believe... so I APOLOGIZE for being a b!tch
and in the long run... thanks
punk?
January 9, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thoughtful (anonymous) says...
BE class of '81!!!
Father Mac, Sister Amelia, Ms. Blackmon, Ms. Donato, Mr. Theos...everyone from Cathedral,Sacred Heart(now The Catholic School)- thanks for helping to mold my character rightly
January 9, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
ms. donato is now ms alma runey... if i'm thinking of the right one
January 9, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
someone1234 (anonymous) says...
It is evident that what happened on Dec. 7th was completely wrong, and these guys should be reprimanded for their wrong actions. However, as a 17 year old it is easy to understand the "heat of the moment" anger which probably triggered this whole thing. The PG student was antagonizing the BE students and should have known better than to start something with these individuals. That is not to say that these three should get away with it. They shouldn't. As a BE student, we are taught good morals and right from wrong. We also are taught that everyone makes mistakes,be quick to forgive, and do not judge. We're only human. I know these guys and am friends with them. I can honestly say they are good people that come from good families. They made a bad choice, but their choice should not reflect who they or their families are as people. I know 2 of the 3 boys families and they are both amazing people. They do their best to raise their boys right, and should not be held accountable for this thoughtless action. Mr. Held is a great principle and BE would not be the elite school it is today without him. He truly cares about each student. I care about these guys and their families, and it hurts me to see people that hardly know them judge their character. I support Gilly, Alex, and their families completely. I know they would do the same for me if i were in this situation. Let the proper consequences be instilled, but please do not drag the innocent families and our principle into this. Everyone makes mistakes.
January 9, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
JohnQ...
thanks... i just wanted everyone...that cared enough to read the article and comment.... to know more than what the paper says because... no matter what you never get the full story unless you were there!... or heard about it from someone who was!
January 9, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hazelisinnocent (anonymous) says...
tmtoyh:
Get your facts straight. I was at the BE-PG game and we have an awesome but strict administration who would never allow nooses to into the game, and believe it or not we have amazing students who would never disrespect a death of another student. The BE-PG games are always themed and the administration is always on the look out for unappropriate items.
ThisIsInteresting:
Don't get mad at Mr.Held for having to serve a detention! That's a clear-cut rule in the handbook and dealing with a student chewing gum is completely different from the situation with the boys. Oh and Mr.Held doesn't give you your detentions, your disciplinarian does!
and "Gilly, Alex, and Hazel are the people you really don't want to mess with?" Seriously?...You probably don't even know them! Hazel wouldn't hurt a fly and wasn't even involved in the incident except for the fact that he was there and couldn't just leave b/c he wasn't driving that night. Alex is one of the quietest kids at school and Gilly is someone who you would joke around with...not be scared of.
and btw Mr.Held's 1st priority is to act as a parent first and when his son gets busted at a party he's gonna act as a parent and discipline his son outside of school. would you want your parent to contact the school and tell them that you were busted at a party? and honestly BE is not gonna get involved with something that happened off campus like a party that got busted unless the police get involved.
blync:
He only went to military school b.c of a false accusation that was proven untrue with a lie detector test. His family is an awesome and generous family that after football games not only feed all of the families and BE football players, but also the oppossing team.
January 9, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
someone1234...
i pretty much love you! for saying everything that needed to be said!
January 9, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CarolinaGrl62 (anonymous) says...
Posted by tmtoyh on January 9, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Here are the facts as I know them.
1) This incident followed the game where BE students chose to where nooses around their necks. This following a recent suicide of a PG student."
Please clarify if you attended the game and "know" this fact? I heard this rumor and spoke to many people who attended this game and they said that they saw no BE students with nooses. Now, did one or two of these troublemakers have them? Perhaps they did, but you make it sound as if tons of kids were in the stands with nooses. Unless you saw this with your own eyes, it it irresponsible to relay this information as "fact"! My child was at the game and I asked if this happened. He told me no, and that administrators always attend the games to make sure that the students are not inappropriate. In fact, he said, "Mr. Held would not let that happen, Mom."
Every school has trouble makers, from Stall to BE to Porter Gaud. Don't paint everyone with the same brush. And by the way, not all kids who attend BE are from "rich families". Many BE families work very hard and sacrifice to send their kids to catholic schools. They all don't live on Daniel Island, and most have ties to the school that go back generations.
Blync, you sound like a very responsible teen. Don't let the negative posters draw you into the craziness. Tell your friend that we are praying for her family.
January 9, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thoughtful (anonymous) says...
blync...
Hold on,kid, hold on, and never, ever give in/give up on YOU!-
January 9, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
blync don't flatter yourself. I'm not threatened by you, actually quite impressed. I just wanted to know what i said that was ignorant.
January 9, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
someone1234 (anonymous) says...
you are welcome its only necessary. They are good people and dont deserve this at all.
January 9, 2008 at 6:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
CarolinaGrl62...
thanks... to me it doesn't matter what people think of my opinion its mine not theirs ...ill share it if they want it or not... i know that may not always be the best idea... but if i don't who will... there must be more Sir Patrick Henrys out there
January 9, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kudzu (anonymous) says...
hero1648... believe it or not, I'm a third generation BE grad and I really do feel for the Held family but there must be CONSEQUENCES! These boys are old enough to go to prison for their actions and so they must accept the consequences. Yes, it is sad that the boys and their families must go through this but justice means making people take responsibility for their own actions.
As far as the administration making decisions for Mr. Held because his son was involved...that's a load of crap. He shouldn't be principal if the Diocese can't trust him to treat his own son just like every other student!
January 9, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston_grown (anonymous) says...
hahahaha, the kid got what he deserved. if you go to an opposing school and drive donuts across their campus field, what do you expect?? what a little baby for going to the police, glad he got shown a lesson. hopefully the charges will be dropped, or atleast the kid who got "beat up" will be charged with vandilism and malitious destruction of property. rich little prick thinks he can get away with whatever, welcome to the real world
January 9, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston_grown (anonymous) says...
btw, if he had done that at South Carolina and was a Clemson fan or vice-versa, the consequences would have probably been much worse. and he probably would have been man enough to take them as well, we raise too many prima donna babies around here, if you talk s**t, prepare to back it up.
January 9, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
Someone1234: I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm a student at BE and that truly is the scenario.
January 9, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
i had no intention of flattery... i was being facetious... what you said that was ignorant... is these boys are not ebing reaised by parents who dont care [Gilly was sent to military school to straighten out...it didnt really work as we can see...but they care enough to send him] [Alex...his FATHER is the principal...he didnt want to be unfair so he had the DIOCESE handle it...b/c he is his father][Hazel... his parents arent exactly lax on this young man either... grounded 2months for a C...]
and rich kids acting like thugs...
ok all BE students are very privileged... but not all are neccesarily rich...
and i may be wrong but dont thugs kill people?
January 9, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
kudzu...
in response to your response to hero1648.. Mr. Held actually had no choice because PG reported it to the Diocese so really it was over his head anyways....mute point
charleston_grown...
you just made my day! thank you for putting that in there... so we actually have someone who has more balls to stand up for BE...horray!
January 9, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thoughtful (anonymous) says...
The media is guilty of reporting what makes headlines, disregarding facts at times. Get emotions high so you judge irrationally. Thank God we have free expression through these posts-you can see and hear alot more to understand.
January 9, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
If the kid who got beat up was doing donuts on the lawn, he SHOULD be charged with vandalism. The suspects are justifiably charged as well.
Just the facts: the PG kids did go over to BE in 1997 and paint up the school. They came forward, had to go to the BE administration, admit what they did and pay the consequences. None of the BE kids came forward for the vandalism at PG, which included defacing the memorial to Michael Rawl, so there was no punishment/no consequences.
A BE parent told me today that the PG kid had more than a broken nose and some bruises - his child told him he had a fractured cheekbone/eye socket and required surgery.
The BE and PG student handbooks both state that the students represent their schools even when they are not in uniform or on school property and will be held accountable for their actions by their schools.
If only kids from ALL these schools knew.......high school is so irrelevant. They take it much too seriously......
January 9, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
orpheus (anonymous) says...
overpriledged punks who also happen to be bullies.parents should keep closer track of the cowardly scoundrels. i dunno, take away their car or their allowances.
January 9, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChickCharleston (anonymous) says...
they didnt where nooses around their necks they were going to but didnt.
the porter gaud kid is flat out lying.
and the only reason he is getting away with it is because his father is a lawyer.
i attented this game. and was aware of what he did to Bishop England property.
the newspaper had no right to publish this story.
and if they were going to they should of gotten their freaking facts straight first.
and another thing. how is this in anyway shape or form the principals fault?
he didnt tell them to do it.
it was a dumb decision and im sure they regret it now.
January 9, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hero1648 (anonymous) says...
Chick Charleston: Thankyou...I'm glad to see there are more and more people who know the TRUE story.
January 9, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChickCharleston (anonymous) says...
hero1648: no problem. mostly everyone at the game knows the true story and so does porter gaud and they just dont want to admit it. because their all stuck up and dont care about anyone but themselves.
January 9, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CarolinaGrl62 (anonymous) says...
Posted by charleston_grown on January 9, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"hahahaha, the kid got what he deserved."
blync... you just crossed into the craziness.
Standing up for BE is what you were doing - before your comment to "charleston grown". The suggestion that it is ok to beat someone up who destoys property is ridiculous. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
I think we are justified in standing up for BE. I think that the BE kids will have to earn the priviledge of the BE community standing up for them by being honest about what happened and taking responsibility for their actions. My heart goes out to all the families involved.
January 9, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChickCharleston (anonymous) says...
oh and another thing.
i really dont think it is anyone else business but bishop englands and porter gauds.
and the newspaper shouldnt have got the whole county invovled letting them jump to conclusions and giving bishop england a bad name. when it is indeed a GREAT school. with a GREAT principal
January 9, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
that was not my intention to agree with "he got what he deserved"....
chickcharleston and hero... SERIOUSLY... i love the amazing support for BE!
carolinagrl62: i was commenting that what he was saying is actually true esp. about USC/CLemson.... it is really no different except that it is on a high school level!
January 9, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
I had too much to say on the issue and didn't realize there was a character limit when I first wrote this, so I had to split all of my thoughts into two comments. If you are going to take the time to read this please read both this and the following comment because they are meant to go together. Thankyou.
I, myself, am a student at Bishop England, and can say that a lot of the above comments have deeply saddened me due to the ignorance many seem to show. I will try my best to put my feelings delicately, but I am bound to offend a few and that is a chance I am willing to take in order to fully express myself.
Bishop England is a wonderful school with a beautiful campus that has given me opportunities in academics, sports,and the arts but I still have many concerns for the school's future.
I am sorry if I offend anyone when I say this, but I can't sit by and watch people write about how these, my fellow classmates, are undeserving of punishment, that this was simply a "highschool brawl." These young men are 17 years old, they are about to go to college and live on their own. A beating is a beating no matter the age of the abuser or the victim. Three against one is not only cowardly but sickening.
I realize that now police action is being taken and that these students are currently "indefinetly suspended" from Bishop England, but I have a copy of the handbook and it says students who "demonstrate behavior that is judged to be detrimental to the school community will be expelled from Bishop England." If the actions of these boys are not considered detrimental it pains me to think what possibly could be.
Another thing that I would like to address is the fact that these students were not suspended until nearly two weeks after the incident and I, along with my other students, walked the halls with them while administrators were fully aware of the situation.
January 9, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
One more thing I would like people to realize is how ridiculous their words sound when they claim that these boys do not deserve punishment due to this being a one time action and that they had a previously pristine record. I hate to be the one to break it to you folks, but this is simply the first time they have been caught. On the Monday following the incident one of my own teachers said, "Why am I not surprised they are involved?" Shouldn't that be saying something? It is in my personal experience that good kids do not simply take it upon themselves to beat another no matter the circumstances. It doesn't matter whether it is a rivalry or not, or whether they were provoked or not. Though I can not definetly say, I highly doubt this was the first time they ganged up on another. Perhaps it was only the first time when things went too far and now they are facing the JUST consequences.
As far as Mr.Held's resignation, I can not say I would be terribly sad to see him go. I do feel that Mr.Held has done a lot for our school, but I also believe he has allowed for a strong emphasis on sports following Bishop England's write up in Sports Illustrated as having a superb program. Since Mr.Held has been principal we no longer have a full time drama or choral teacher only a full time art teacher and who knows when that will end? As both an athlete and artist I feel the dramatic lack of balance.
At the end of the day, everyone has to be responsible for their actions whether it's failing because you didn't study for a test or going to jail because you made the conscious decision to harm another human being. I am a high school student and it was a long time ago that my parents taught me responsibility. It's past time that these boys face up to the consequences of their actions and learn it too.
January 9, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rutledge (anonymous) says...
I was at the game, there were no nooses. BE administrators are overly sensitive to much less, and frankly that is giving the kids too much credit; some were dressed as pirates some in 1970's garb, I think (what it was supposed to mean I don't know). There were maybe 3-4 administrators (including Held) birddogging every BE move.
PG supposedly has a sportsmanship creed, it must not extend to the parents..... as while the cops could have been keeping people from doing doughnuts and instigating fights outside, they were too busy breaking up the fist fight between the PG coach and one of his player's fathers. If a couple kids getting charges pressed against them is a story, why can't a coach/parent near brawl get at least get a mention.
January 9, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Girleygirl"... The same posters on here that are saying that the parents should not be responsible for these kids actions (BTW I agree) are the same posters that are hollering that the Gadsden mothers should be responsible for their kids action..."
Gg, they're are two things wrong with your statement 1/Parents is in a plural form. Did you ever hear about the Gadsen 5's fathers? No only the mom's...?
2/I'm sure if these families can afford to send their kids to BE or PG they are'nt living in GOV HOUSING paid for by the taxpayers nor do they have a mortgage with a stipulation they be booted for unruly kids.
January 9, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
BLYNC I retract my first statement "rich thugs" from now on they will be refered to "prilileged thugs"
by thug I mean a cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
What those boys did was wrong. They acted like thugs. I never questioned if their parents cared for them or loved them. I questioned the examples they were setting. pawning your child off to a military school because you can't deal with him sounds like a great example.
January 9, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
idunno456 (anonymous) says...
No, BE students did NOT wear nooses to the game. BE students did not PLAN to wear nooses to the game.
Many students at BE knew and were friends with Peter, and our student body would never dream of doing something to disrespect him. As mentioned before, our faculty would never ever allow it...EVER. Last year BEHS went through the loss of a classmate, so we know what PG students were going through...we felt the same way.
Even though BE is being portrayed negatively because of the whole fight situation, it is an unfair, ridiculous, and offensive assumption that we, the whole student body, would plan something so awful.
January 9, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MACOA (anonymous) says...
notice I have'nt differentiated between BE or PG i feel both parties were wrong
January 9, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CarolinaGrl62 (anonymous) says...
Anonymousstudent
Thank you for your honesty. Very well thought out and heart felt posting.
January 9, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
student (anonymous) says...
okay this story makes BE sound like we were all at fault. i was at the BE PG game and i am friens with one of the three involved and know the other 2 and i no their families.
i had heard about the incident and i was driving by BE the next day and our school speed limit sign was ruin as though someone hit it and there was tire marks all in the grass. so he might have "hit the curb" but he also hit the sign and spun into our grass.this article states that he was 15 well as i believe 16 is the age u r able the get ur waiver to drive to school events so that means he cannot legally drive at night. Mr. Held resigning well i think not i would hate to see him go and especially not over his child actions. well i think ppl should hear the whole story umm i no gilly alex and michael they wouldnt just walk up to some kid and beat him up because he goes to pg something must have happened to make them react that way soo make sure u know all the facts before u make any accusations thanks.
January 9, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
currentstudent (anonymous) says...
This quote demonstrates how buyist the City of Charleston Police seems to be:
"A 15-year-old Porter-Gaud student, who was not identified because he is a juvenile, told police his vehicle hit a curb in the parking lot in front of the school as he left. When he stopped on Seven Farms Drive to check for damage to the vehicle..."
Okay, first off, what is a 15 year old doing driving late at night? I mean it is possible if he managed to get his learner's permit on his birthday and got his restricted liscence as well as a waver 6-11 months afterwards, but that is highly unlikely. Shouldn't the police officer atleast questioned why he was driving past his curfew?
Secondly, I can agree with him saying he hit a curb in the parking lot, but he probrably hit this curb before/after he vandalized our school's campus doing donuts on the field.
Now I can understand why these three classmates of mine are being punished, but this underaged Porter Gaud driver who vandalized our school's property should not get out of this without any kind of punishment for what he's done. All this article does is hate on Bishop England, but nothing is said about the wrongs that the PG kid has done. Somethings wrong here
January 9, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fatherfirst (anonymous) says...
Few who know Gilly Artigues or have seen him on a field or in a gym, can deny that they had the thought that his anger, attitude and arrogance would result in something like this happening. He acts no different than his father did at his age.
Before lumping these 4 young men together, I hope the facts can be known. All 4 had a part in this crime, but probably at different levels, and hopefully each will be punished appropriately for their part.
In response to the question 'What would Nick Theos have done?' My guess is that all three would have been immediately expelled. Mr. Theos would work with the police to see that Bishop England provided them whatever evidence they needed. He would have attempted his best to keep this from the media. He would have personally visited the PG young man in the hospital and apologized to him and his family. He would have sent an apolgy to the PG school. When all of that was done, he would have visited with each of the 3 BE families and prayed with them.
January 9, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
blync
This is about sports.
It's about how players handle themselves on and off the field. Back in the day, High School Sports was where you learned how an athlete was supposed to act before, during and after a game, any game. In season or off season, in uniform or out we were gentlemen.
You wore a coat and tie on game day, you played fair, gave 110%, did whatever the coach asked and hoped to God you didn't have to run anymore laps. You represented your school from the first day of practice your freshmen summer until :.. well forever.
A High School athlete was supposed to be above reproach not above the law, and if we messed up even in the slightest way "coach" was there to be sure that punishment was swift and memorable.
We had revelries and we did some pretty crazy things to the other team's, mascot, parking lot and even their football field score board (thanks Jerry you were the greatest geek ever) though we never got caught, had we been "outed" I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have been arrested.
We never beat up anyone or damaged any property, ok so we painted a rock or two with "our colors". But this is nuts!
For these 3 there's plenty of blame to go around, the parents, the school, the coaches, and the teachers but when it comes right down to it you have 3 athletes who didn't understand that their actions regardless how they felt they were justified were wrong.
Maybe they thought they'd be HEROS... but my High School coach would have "kicked our donkey's butts back to the stone age" and then it would be our parents turn.
January 9, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charleston843 (anonymous) says...
First of all, yes the kid who got beat up was driving after his alloted time. Secondly, he did not do donuts anywhere, all he did was bump into the curb and hit a mph street sign that caved in his bumper on his truck. He went down the road and pulled into a parking lot when these boys and others trapped him in, and came and opened the door to his truck and started beating him. This Porter Gaud student did nothing otehr then mess up the street sign that got put up immedialty after and broke some of his truck. And whoever said Gilly and the rest of those boys are harmless, they were trying to pick fights the whole night, how do I know I was there. Anyone who thinks these boys are harmles should go look into their facebooks.
January 9, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BEsenior (anonymous) says...
Blame the media for everything too. All 3 reports(Radio,TV,Newspaper) were incorrect in their reporting. Next time something happens, get the facts right first.
January 9, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
someone1234 (anonymous) says...
Gilly and Alex are good guys...they made a bad choice but its way out of line to consider them bad people.
January 9, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
student (anonymous) says...
charleston843 gilly has kind of been aggresive his whole life and when i heard about this i was like yeah but i didnt think hed take it that far these 3 young men took it too far....far enough to physically injuring and kid and he had to be taken to the hospital but if he just hit the sign y r there tire marks all in the grass he hit the curb and went up all the way over the sidewalk and then into the grass either way he wasnt driving correctly to hit the curb Be's grass is the nicest grass ive ever seen and im sure as hell sure that there were tire marks before the game because i walked right there
January 9, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
Do you see how well "blync" post? I mean really, remember the idiots from public school way back when posting on a Hanahan story I think, and they couldn't even complete a word much less a sentence!
Good job man!
200 post is that like a record? Blown way out of proportion don't you think.
January 9, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
behsgirlll230 (anonymous) says...
o my gosh. ok so first of all HALF of you people do NOT have an idea what you are talking about. i go to BE. most of you dont. and for those of you that do...then YOU know what your talking about. this is just un believable. i dont know gilly, alex, and hazel really well but i have spoken to hazel and gilly once before and seen them with other people. gilly was in one of my classes and he can be a little bit of an ass but i mena deep down hes a good kid. ive spoken to hazel a few times and he is the NICEST person you could ever meet. he is funny and outgoing and just an allaround great guy. ive never really tlaked to alex before but i have heard he too is a good guy. you people do not have any say in weather or not these are good people. you dont know them. you dont talk to them. you dont go to school with them. you cant JUDG them after one thing. ok listen im sure a lot of stuff has happened in other schools that are exaclty like this but do those school get criticized? uhm i acctually have no ides but i geuss this was never expected of us 'holy catholic kids'
well NEWSFLASH we are teenagers
we arent perfect little angels
we arent privledged
we arent 'speicial'
we are whores
we arent crack heads
we're JUST teenagers. and all we ask for is a little slack.
we dont know what we do half the time and when we do it...
we regret it. and you know what. the porter gaud kid did a lot. he flicked us off. he vandalized our school. he knocked down signs...he never hit a curb.he never did any of that. he has lied to this paper to make OUR school lookbad. and well ya know what
he did.
he made us look like a bunch of idiots
and bad people. well honey we arent.
but also he wasnt even supposed to be driving.hes only 15.he shouldnt even have a waiver.he sould have gotten in trouble too.
i think that what gilly and alex and hazel did
was a very bad choice.
they should have stood up
and not done anything and be the bigger people
that they really and truly are.
but they didnt they stooped down to this little
kids level and beat him up.
but in a way the kid deserved it
he lied
he vandalized
he wasnt supposed to be driving
and you know what...its goign to come back to haunt him one day
he is going to pay for all the stuff that he did wether its next month or next year. or 10 years from now
hes goign to realize what he did was wrong.
becuase as far as im concerned
these 3 guys have alredy payed for what they did
and its his turn now.
you shouldnt say principal held should get fired
this is NOT his fault
he never did anything wrong
he has always been a very good principal
January 9, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
behsgirlll230 (anonymous) says...
and i think all of you peopel on here have no idea what your talkign about when you say that he a bad guy.
he isnt.
he should not resign.
beccause if he did it would be really sad
and im sure the whole student body would miss him.
and for this article to be mianly about how david held's son is apart of this makes me sick. who cars if hes the pronciples son
hes just like any other teenager
he just has a dad that works at his school.
and whats this about nooses?
i mean seriously?COME ON! that was NEVER an idea. that is just rude
a lot of people at BE knew peter. adn had respect for peter.
we would never do that.
sincerely
behsgirl230
January 9, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigbuck1 (anonymous) says...
God Bless all of these kids and their families. It certainly sounds as though they could use it.
January 9, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BEsenior (anonymous) says...
behsgirll230. welll said!!!
January 9, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
behsgirlll230 (anonymous) says...
aw thank you. and who are you to say that we need a blessing BIGBUCK1??
you dont know know us
and you dont know these boys.
so just dont even comment.
January 9, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
student (anonymous) says...
behsgirll230
u r right these ppl dont no them and im a freshman and i know michael and kinda gilly
michael is extremely sweet and i love him and i no gillys family very well and they r amazing ppl and i no alexs mom shes the sweetest person ever these boys made a mistake and they should be punished but they say the pg kid is the "victim" but he comitted some wrong too these 3 boys r really nicee ppl
January 9, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
Im sorry behsgirl but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. I'm not going to sit here mudslinging words back at you, but I would just like you to consider some of the things that you are saying.
Yeah, kids deserve a little slack sometimes. Everyone breaks curfew once in a while, everyone gets a bad grade because they didn't study. Everyone does not however consciously decide to gang up on one another.
I am not judging these boys on their character which you claim to know so well. I am only judging their actions, and for those punishment is deserved.
As far as the porter guad student all I can say is, grass and signs are a far cry from beating another human being. I think you do not realize the severity of that, as well as how often beatings of this nature end in paralysis or death. Perhaps when someone is killed, you won't be asking for "some slack."
It is not the paper or the media's fault for making our school look bad, nor is it the responsibilty of the porter student. It was the radical response of these young men which has tarnished our school's name despite the fact that so many of our student's do not at all support their behavior.
January 9, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
behsgirlll230 (anonymous) says...
well we all have our own opinions.
January 9, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CarolinaGrl62 (anonymous) says...
anonymoussstudent
I've decided this will be my last post. You have made more sense on this issue than anyone else who has posted. I have no need to add anything... you are a credit to BE and its faculty and students.
January 9, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
Behsgirlll230 and Student: I agree with Anonymousstudent... and a lot of the people on here go to BEHS. Like me. Sure, the guy was being an idiot. But provoking the three of them definently did not deserve what happened to him. He had pretty major injuries. I, also, am not judging ALex, Gilly, and Michael themselves. But this is a very very very bad decision on their part, and it must be taken seriously. Especially since the PG student's father is a lawyer: he is not going to let this go. Also, Anonymousstudent: THANK YOU!!!
"As far as the porter guad student all I can say is, grass and signs are a far cry from beating another human being. I think you do not realize the severity of that, as well as how often beatings of this nature end in paralysis or death. Perhaps when someone is killed, you won't be asking for "some slack.""
Excellent explanation.
I'm sorry, but they need to understand the severity of their actions. It seems they are finally learning that crossing the line comes with consequences.
January 9, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigbuck1 (anonymous) says...
Ah, the foolishness of youth. I probably know you and I certainly know the boys involved. I can steadfastly assure all of you that God's blessing is surely needed by everyone involved in this tragic incident.
January 9, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fed1490 (anonymous) says...
How can anyone say what behsgirll230 said was well put? Besides the, what I hope to be a typo, "we are whores", the blog was unintelligent and certainly not well written. Obviously this person has not come away from BE with a better understanding of the English language.
Also, the "but in a way the kid deserved it" comment is horrible. People are not allowed to conduct their own forms of justice today, that is what our judiciary system is for. No one ever deserves to be beaten. And how hypocritical of behsgirl1230 to say that because the PG young man was driving when he most likely was not supposed to means he should be severely punished. She says "we're just teenagers". This young man is also a teenager himself. Doesn't he deserve as much sympathy as she is feeling for the BE students? She implies that she herself has made mistakes, but as a teenager should be forgiven.
All people make mistakes and should be forgiven for them, but also punished. Without consequences, the world would be in chaos.
January 9, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
Moral of the story: Dont go to BE and if you already went there like me.....Try and ask for God's forgiveness the rest of your life. Knowing that I went there for four years makes me sick.
January 9, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
Well said, fed1490.
January 9, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
I think my comment was well said too....thanx
January 9, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
begirl (anonymous) says...
First of all, I am a BE student. I am lucky to attend this school, and for all you people who feel that you have a right to insult Mr. Held, maybe you should realize what an amazingly tough job he has and what a wonderful contribution he has made to the institution. Mr. Held truly cares about his students and their wellbeing and has a day to day presense around campus, where he brings humor and enthusiasm.
With regards to the three boys, I don't know all the details, but I know that the article was extremely slanted and did not address the full issues, especially with regards to the instigation at the hands of the PG student. Secondly, I know that these boys have committed a serious wrongdoing to this PG student, and I am sorry for his pain. However, not one of these three boys is not sitting at home tonight feeling extremely uspset about their actions. Knowing them all personally, not one of them is malicious, cruel or violent at heart. I would ask the parents of this PG student to reconsider their actions. The charges have gone to a vindictive state. They are seeking to hurt BE for all of its action toward PG, through this one incident. Let them give a lesson to their children in turning the other cheek, in forgivness and in compassion. Ruining lives does not come from a simple broken nose. Let these boys do community service, let them be expelled, but don't ruin their futures from an elitist attitude.
Above all, I would encourage people to recognize that these boys made a stupid mistake, that is now hurting their families, their education, their school and their friends. But, let us forgive them, I believe that they have learned their lesson.
Please pray for their families.
January 9, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
Bourne! How can you say such a thing? BE has made a definite positive impact on my life. Despite these recent events, I'm not going to hang my head in shame as a BE student, I won't let the actions of a few stain my pride.
Fed I totally agree! Way to point out some logic thanks for your comment.
And lastly Bigbuck1, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw people disgracing your kind efforts in offering prayer for the families of ALL involved. You are a wonderfully kind person, and trust me when I say no matter where we stand on the issue all of BE needs prayers right now and we thank you for yours.
January 9, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
I dont. BE is an excellent school that helps one develop morals. Everyone makes mistakes. They must understand that with each decision there are consequences. Necessary action was taken. If you didnt like BE while you went there, then that's obviously your own loss.
January 9, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
student (anonymous) says...
akjjmjpth yes even though hazel is my best friend i believe they all made the wrong not doubt about that dont get me wrong they should be punished and im not meaning that the pg kids actions were severe but still he did something and that shouldnt have been left out. but yeah they should be punished
January 9, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
His injuries were a bit more than a broken nose, no offense.
January 9, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonlove (anonymous) says...
I do believe the sources used for this article mislead everything.
First off,
The porter-Gaud boy was doing "doughnuts" in the Bishop England School parking lot and on the lawn. He also hit a curb and a sign. He began taunting the B.E. boys, who in return made a big mistake.
Secondly,
According to a statement I received from a close relationed person to the victim, the P-G student was never taken out of his car. If someone would please rewrite the article and feature it in the next newspaper-- it would be greatly appreciated. I will be glad to take the time to do it myself. thanks.
BEHSGIRL and STUDENT-- i agree with some of what y'all had to say. Well put!
As far as everything that happened, the boys honestly, should have just punched the kid once and that was it. and only ONE BEHS student should have-- if any-- punched him then walked away. No one, especially a 15 year old boy who is just about 115 pounds, deserves to be beaten up so profusely and basically left to rot. Although i agree, he was WRONG in what he did, the boys had no reason to hurt him like they did. A broken nose, a screwed up eyesocket, and a broken jaw- that is to the extreme. Way too extreme.
As far as his being fifteen years old and driving, I recieved my waiver at fifteen years old because I had a job. Maybe he had a job, or a sport that he was playing, or some other reason for a waiver. No one really knows what the deal is with the driving underage or anything- so i suggest it gets dropped considering theres nothing anyone can really say about it.
I agree that Gilly cna be an ass but he can also be a nice guy when you need him to. As far as Hazel, he is absolutely the nicest and funniest guy I have met. I love Hazel to death.
Held has a wonderful personality and it absolutely a crack-up.
These boys, no matter how wonderful they are, have made a big terrible mistake that they are and should continue to pay for.
I am not on either side because both were in the wrong.
The P-G student shouldn't have started doing anything and the BEHS students shouldnt have let it bother them.. at least to this extent.
January 9, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
oh, i believe that since the laywer is certainly bringing this to court, the full story will emerge and the PG student will get what is due to him concerning vandalism.
January 9, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonlove (anonymous) says...
....As far as Principal Held-- he should not resign or be fired. THat is a ridiculous suggestion. Although everyone is talking about it, it is a hideous idea considering he has been a wonderful principal to that school and to those kids. My parents raised me and my brothers right- with strict discipline- but all of us have screwed up once in a while.
Just because a child, (or teenager//adult in this case) makes a mistake, it does not mean that the parents did not do their job. THat is a total misconception. I garuntee that all of us ahve been disciplined in some way by our guardians and we have still made grave mistakes and regretted them. THat does not shine on the parents when you are 17 years old and old enough to know right from wrong.
What the boys did was wrong and in the moment. They were pissed off so they decided to vent their anger out and hurt someone that pissed them off. They were lving in the moment and i bet feeling like heros becuase of it until they realized that they were screwed. They messed up big time.
But, what's done is done. For the remainder of the year, the games should be cancelled between the two schools because of the possibility of something like this happening, but worse.
January 9, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
dont forget the shattered cheekbone and broken arm. and he might have lost his eyesight forevermore.
January 9, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
hey anonymousstudent.....i already dont like you. Dont call me out because most people who went there and go there can agree with me that it is a horrible corrupt school. So let me know when you wake up kid.
January 9, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonlove (anonymous) says...
bourne-- what year did u graduate?
January 9, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
ok this is no longer an argument about what what actually happened anymore...
this is MORE BE STUDENTS defending the school they love and students they love...
and just a thought... if it was only Alex, Gilly, and Hazel...then why are Kyle and Dominique gone...riddle me that!
behsgirl...for the most part i agree with you... but you must admit we are very lucky that we go to such a great school... we could be somewhere else... not to mention any names but a certain school downtown in the projects... which you may know as BURKE!
MotoryachtSoCo... hero is the last thing these boys were thinking...I'M SURE OF THAT! and really common! this story is about a rivalry that goes BEYOND SPORTS! obviously... besides the fact that in the TITLE of the article in mentions that they are all football players and the fact that it happened AFTER a bball game... thats all its says about sports.... what i was getting at is sports is not the main focus of the article!
anonymousstudent.... you present every argument flawlessly!
January 9, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
begirl, please elaborate on what actions the parents of the PG kid are taking that should be reconsidered. I'm just not sure what you are referring to. How is pressing charges for putting a kid in the hospital vindictive? I repeat my earlier statement that there should be charges on both sides - the PG kid should be charged with vandalism, and the BE kids should be charged with assault. Fair enough?
January 9, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Wondering (anonymous) says...
I don't believe that any of this was related to school rivalries or teenage pranks gone awry. I imagine that Gilly and the others have their 'friends' who are vocal defenders. However, I know that the vast majority of BE kids are good kids from nice families, who wouldn't dream of beating anyone-ever. I don't think one would have to look too long or too hard to find a pattern of behavior here. Here's hoping the prosecution asks lots of questions
about past behaviors.
January 9, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
I do NOT think the games should be cancelled between PG and BEHS. It was Alex, Gilly, and Hazel's crime. Not the rest of the school. As said, "the crimes of a few need not affect the whole". I agree. Not only are sports events but tournaments and events held at the school are cancelled as well. This is very unfair.
Regarding Mr. Held... He's a good principal. But he is concentrated too much on sports. He barely gives any regard at all to academic extracurriculares. And hes biast, of course. Unjust to some of the students, the way he's been favoring his son.
January 9, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cjcd1123 (anonymous) says...
Unfortunately, it is unrealistic to assume that the media would accurately report the story the way it actually happened. The ramifications resulting from sloppy journalism can make or break individuals. Because of this article the coarse of the 3 BE boys has now taken a new direction. This article has now made it impossible for these boys to be reinstated in school. The facts do not warrant the consequences these boys are facing. The facts are as follows. After a heated basketball game a PG boy is seen tearing up the grounds on BE campus. During this time, he takes out a speed sign with his vehicle. Words and gestures are exchanged by all. This "victim" receives one punch by one boy. It was not a beating as many comments have indicated. Also, there are other PG boys standing around or running away. The injuries were "so bad" that this "victim" attends his track team banquet the next night and is in school the following Monday. His accountability is not even addressed (he is driving at night unlawfully, destroying property, and damaging a street sign). Isn't this criminal? His injuries have been exagerrated just as the 3 boys involvement. This situation has gotten so out of hand that accountability should be falling in the laps of those with in power.
January 9, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonlove (anonymous) says...
i agree with wonderdog and blync.
blync- there are a million be students commenting defneding the boys. i am not defending them becuase i believe what they did was truely WRONG and they shoud be punished for it. Although it sucks to see friends go down like this but, what can you do? You have to learn someway..
Wonderdog- definately. Each person involved should be charged with what they deserve. wandelism, assault and battery, lynching, kidnapping, etc. They deserve what they get becuase they are the ones that made the decisions to do stupid immature bull stuff.
January 9, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
no further questions please....charlestonlove....ok....fine 1908....u got me...
January 9, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Having surgery to repair an eye socket is one h*ll of a way to exaggerate an injury.
January 9, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlestonlove (anonymous) says...
exaggerate and injury? That's not exaggerated from my standpoint. I, unlike many on here, have reliable references AKA the mother of the victim.
January 9, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
at least you have two eyes....
January 9, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkloveee (anonymous) says...
1) Get the facts straight.
2) Stop attacking the parents and students because of their financial situation.
3) The Helds are all AMAZING people. Alex may have made a mistake, but don't criticize his father. Talk to any student at BE and they will tell you he's a good principle and a good man.
4) Seriously parents...you REALLY think you can control your children. Maybe when they're 7...but 17? I dont think so. If you really think your children don't do anything that could be considdered "stupid" then you should be the one wearing the dunce cap. Wait till they've been out of the house a few years, their highschool stories will absolutely shock you.
5) If you don't have a student at BE or PG, or you don't know any of the accused, just mind your own business and save your opinion, it doesnt count.
January 9, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
YES, thank you, wonderdog.
January 9, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
charlestonlove... i completely agree ... what they did was wrong and they should eb punished...thats not my argument...my argument is thatwhen something happens donttiptoe around the truth tell people what happened ....i mean really JOURNALIST! its not that difficult... i do it on a daily basis!
bourne...
BE isnt for everyone just b/c you didnt like it you could have left and obviously you did...or graduated...or whatever...my point is...dont slander the Bishop England name just because the school wasnt right for you ... for some it isnt ...but whether or not you liked BE isnt the pressing issue!
fed1490... i completely agree...no ?s asked
his injuries were... bruises, black eye, shattered cheek bones, and broken nose(which did require surgery)
January 9, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
Really, one punch? I dont think one punch caused eye socket injuries, a broken nose, shattered cheekbone, and broken arm.
January 9, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
mkloveee,
I think it is absolutely preposterous to say parents have no control over their children. I have a wonderful relationship with my parents where there is mutual respect. They do not have to "control" me because they instilled me with the values and ability to make the right choices even in difficult situations.
Also, as far as this not concerning anyone outside the BEHS or Porter Gaud community I think you are mistaken. BE and Porter are fixtures of the community, and it is normal that people have questions and opinions. These people may have connections that go beyond that of simply being a student or parent.
January 9, 2008 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BEsenior (anonymous) says...
hahaha he didnt break his arm. Come on now
January 9, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
mkloveee... 1,3,4&5 are too perfectly said!
bourne...1908...what is that crap.... you know good and well if you wentt o BE that the school was established in 1915...dont be a wise-ass!
January 9, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
akjjmjpth (anonymous) says...
I've heard from multiple people he got his arm broken.
January 9, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Beerkrugul (anonymous) says...
Bourne, if you hated BE so much, why did you stay there? Was that 4 years in the 9th grade?
January 9, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
blync...
1) i really dont care about this at all....im just making fun of this stupid argument between everyone that is not going to end....the posts are in the hundreds!!
2) i really did like BE and most my fellow students including some of the kids involved bc i played football with some of them
3) i probably know you....which makes this even more funny..
4) i forgot this one
5)i like putting numbers down bc it makes it seem as though I am making logical points....but i am not at all.....
6) Hilary Clinton just won in New Hampshire...so the real problems are just about to begin...
January 9, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkloveee (anonymous) says...
anonymousstudent
if you've seriously never messed up even a little then props to you, but i doubt it
January 9, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kd8584 (anonymous) says...
Instigated or not, the Bishop England boys took the incident to an extreme level. Nothing should prompt a high school boy to beat another boy in the face enough to send him to the hospital. Neither does it matter which boy threw a punch and which boy held him down; it is the same crime.
They made a mistake... a huge mistake. One that they should be punished for, because if not now... they will think they are invincible. ANYONE no matter race, background or social status should be punished for the crime they committed. Nothing less.
January 9, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
VV09 (anonymous) says...
First off, some people claiming to be Bishop England students are completely making the school look bad by rambling on.
I'm not addressing the well-spoken "BEHS Senior", but the girl who griped about the gum chewing, and the other user who rambled on with the excessive use of "he".
I'm a student at BE, and I do not personally know these boys.
All of you who call for Mr. Held's head must not have any idea of how BE is ran, or any idea of being a teenager for that matter.
These boys' actions, while serious and disappointing, do not make the PARENTS liable for their actions. Great parents can have a child who misbehaves.
Kids can get caught up in the moment, suspend their judgement, and participate in activites they would not normally do. I do not think these boys made an intricate plan of how they were going to smite the PG kid.
Secondly,
BE has had problems with PG in the past.
This kid did NOT simply hit the curb and get out to survey the damage. He was being HIGHLY disrespectful of BE and BE's property, all while driving ILLEGALLY past curfew.
I'd like to see the "victim" charged with breaking curfew, wreckless driving (he was doing donuts), and vandalization of private property. The kid's dad is a lawyer, he should be able to fend it off.
Thirdly,
the ONLY reason this is "BREAKING NEWS" is because it happened between Charleston's two private schools. These schools are hardly know for major criminal activity, so of course when something of this nature occurs, it is quite alarming. BUT, this article itself is highly understated. An act of pure editorial spin.
There is no preferential treatment.
These boys did voluntarily surrender at the police station, they did acknowledge their actions and they will be punished. Unlike some of these public school thugs, they don't have a drag-out fight til the end. The BE boys know what they did was wrong, and they're taking responsibility for their actions.
Mr. Held is in no way responsible for what happened. He is a good principal and has done many great things for BE. He should not be fired or even resign- imagine that YOUR son or daughter had behaved like this. His or her life has been changed forever. Mr. Held has an especially difficult situation because he is both a parent and a school official.
What these boys need is some good PR. We should get Chris Crocker (famous for his video supporting Mrs. Spears) to do a YouTube stunt for our boys.
Leave BE alone.
Stop your talk of "preferential treatment" and racial comments.
This is a matter between the two schools.
January 9, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
Bourne.....your #6.......now I really AM scared.
January 9, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bourne (anonymous) says...
very good wonderdog...im glad you noticed...this is the real story...she needs to be stopped....
ooo yea and blync your right....i am a wise-ass...so dont expect a serious argument out of me...bc this argument is stupid
January 9, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
anonymousstudent (anonymous) says...
I'm not saying I've never messed up. Everyone makes mistakes. I don't want to come off sounding like some goody two shoes touting their own horn because that is very much not the case. I try very hard to be responsible for my own actions, and all that I was saying was that there are parents and children who have good relationships, its not simply a matter of "control." I also highly doubt that any of my actions even those I may regret would do so much as "shock" my family. It is the actions of very few that are so extreme, its remiss to think that the majority of highschoolers are out acting with such "shocking" behavior.
January 9, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
bourne.. after the 1-6...i gathered that... but thanks for being the mercutio of our little argument... what we all need is some comic relief...
but seruiously people... what gilly alex and others did was wrong the should be punished its noone's fault but their own
the PG student should also be punished for his actions accordingly
what's done is done... Que será, será
January 9, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
student (anonymous) says...
guys its like 10:15 and we all have school tomorrow we all have our opinions and we have spoken them. im sure everyone here agrees on one thing what our 3 seniors did was wrong.
i agree the og kid should be charged with at least something
bu mr. held is being fair he suspended his kid as well as the rest and his child has left so how is he not being fair in the situation and obviously who ever wrote this article did not do any "investigation" and got their story messed up.
my question is y did he hit the curb in the first place and hit the sign and the grass he went up on the curb so he didnt just bump it so obviously it was intentional or that kid sucks ass at driving
January 9, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kudzu (anonymous) says...
behsgirlll230...Have you ever heard of the "A2 Possee" because I'm certain you must be a member.
blync...You speak as if you were there when all of this happened. Were you or is that a "mute" point as well?
As a proud BE alum, I really, really wish that all current BE students would stop posting comments! Sadly, there are more embarrassing posts than intelligent posts and it's making me sick.
January 9, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
steveman9354 (anonymous) says...
As a graduate of the class of 2007, this is normal stuff that happens at BE PG games. Last year after the game my friend punched someone in the face and immediately got restrained by the cops and then about 5 minutes later start a fight on our way out to the car. Probably all 3 of them were drunk as well with the porter gaud kid, cause everyone wanted to get drunk before the games. I've known all three personally, gilly got what he deserved for being the actual person who through punches cause he thought hes a hardass his entire life, alex held has been a trouble kid for a long time, getting caught at parties, smoking pot, all while mr. held neglects his behavior. the only one who i maybe have a positive view about is michael hazel just cause he's always been known as a nice guy compared to the other two. the porter gaud kid is a moron for doing property damage at BE and should be charged with damage to private property if they are to pursue charges on all three of them. i personally have heard about 5 different stories about this and everyone of them always had gilly and alex held invovled, not michael hazel. mr. held should not resign, he is a very smart and nice principal, i was selected to be in the only class he teaches at school and he taught all of us a great amount of knowledge. the rivalry between the two schools is what fueled this incident to happen and the porter gaud kid brought this onto himself by doing damage to BE property.
January 9, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
henry (anonymous) says...
Wow so many comments since earlier in the day.
blync PG may have reported to the Diocese, they were not the only ones BE parents did also.
hero1648 My idea of justice is for these boys to go through the criminal justice system and receive the punishment befitting their crime. Justice at BE should be immediate expulsion as stated in the handbook.
In response to what Nick Theos would do? I can tell you what he would not have done. Let those boys walk the hallways of his school for almost 2 weeks with no punishmnet whatsoever
anonymousstudent Your are an extemely articulate person, wise beyond your years. You "get"it
Bourne You are so correct with your #6.
January 9, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
kudzu... if you read...i know ALL OF THE BOYS INVOLVED INCLUDE THE PG ONES... so i heard pretty much everything... i was not there... i was actually at work.. believe it or not so BE students do have other commitments...
and as far as the embarassing post comment im afraid i must agree... with the exception of a few... now... about the embarassing ones...you know who you are... this is NOT the proper way to represent Bishop England... if you are so hell-bent on defending our school and raising it once again to its rightful place as a HIGHER INSTITUTE OF EDUCATION then at least act like you have at least SOME SELF-RESPECT... if you have none of that you clearly have none for your school or classmates!
January 9, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
If the PG kid vandalized the BE campus, he should be charged accordingly and therefore it would be appropriate to say that he "brought this onto himself." Getting beaten was not appropriate punishment. Those who witnessed any criminal behavior should have called the police and reported it with a vehicle description, license plate number, etc.
If only these kids knew.....high school is so irrelevant. I have known kids at both schools for years, and most of them have close friends at the "rival" school. I've been to many BE/PG games and have observed kids who scream horrible things at each other meet up and go out together after the games. It's a shame that this happened, and I hope that students at both schools will learn from it and think before doing something impulsive, irresponsible and/or harmful to others.
January 9, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
steveman9354 (anonymous) says...
both the porter gaud kid and the driver of the 3 BE kids were probably driving under the influence of alcohol and/or marijauna. this is typical high school stuff that happens. it just happens one of the kids can't take an a$$ whooping and has to go complain to his lawyer daddy. expell the kids and send them to military school.
January 9, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
like i said in a previous post...and sorry i just caught this....
i did mention before that the PG student was intoxicated!... as for the BE kids... well... you can probably guess!
January 9, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LeCt (anonymous) says...
Reading some of these comments infuriates me at what some people will believe after reading one story that does not list many facts what-so-ever. The ignorance that some have on this website is antic, at best. Please do not post things that may not be true. Rumors may start with a kernel of the truth, but that truth is lost after the first gossiper opens his/her mouth. Unless you are one of the parties mentioned in the story or a close friend, please do not post anymore ridiculous and outrageous comments.
-PG student
January 9, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cte (anonymous) says...
alright I'm a senior at BE too, and I was at the game, but I left before all of this happened. as soon as the game ended, I did the usual celebration inside, and then got in my car and went home. I knew that fights usually happened but I'm never in them..so I didn't even hear about this until the next Monday. I don't know everything about it so I'm not gonna say I do.
I don't know Alex well, but he seemed really smart so I don't know what he was thinking here. and Hazel? sorry but I can't see that guy beating up some kid. I don't mean physcially unable, I mean because he's such a nice guy to everyone. I feel bad for them that they have to leave school this close to the end because they made stupid descions and I hope the PG kid's alright.
It sucks they canceled the games though...the two this year have both been great...decided by 3 points or less, both in double OT. I was really looking forward to the game Saturday, not because I wanted to fight or something stupid, but because it was a tiebreaker in an awesome rivalry. plus it was the last BE/PG game I'd go to before I graduated. but I guess I can see why they canceled it...it could get nasty if a few idiots start something.
but they canceled golf too...so...??
and Mr. Held's a great guy and principal. I just had him for goverment and he's an awesome teacher. It's not his fault his kid did this...he was probably still at school, closing it up. and this story is bad...I don't think this is top-of-the-page news on charleston.net. I mean, fights happen all the time. I guess because it's between two "rich" schools. which isn't true either.
I hope this doesn't sound like I'm defending what they did, cause I'm not. I'm just saying what I think about it.
well, that's all.
January 10, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SarahJayne2442 (anonymous) says...
I graduated from the class of 2007 and I think that posts stating and agreeing that Mr. Held should resign are ridiculous. He cares so much about the students in that school and that is obvious after being one of those students for four years. Just because his son got into a fight does not mean he is a bad principal and it definitely doesn't mean he should lose his job. I've witnessed the effect of the combination of school rivalry and substance use and it's not uncommon for a fight to happen. However, no matter what the circumstance, three 17 year olds against a 15 year old is hardly a fair fight. If these boys want to fight like men then they should take their charges like men. Also, it isn't quite fair to cancel the rest of the year's meetings between the two schools because of the stupidity shown by those boys. It ruins it for those who do behave well and for those participating in the sports. But sometimes the only way to discourage this kind of behavior is to take drastic measures. It's unfortunate that society has come to the point where friendly competition has turned into full-on hate in the hearts of some.
And for the record, knowing a bit about the BE boys I am shocked by Michael Hazel's involvement, but not by Gilly Artigues'. Michael was a very kind person, but Gilly always seemed to be in trouble or to be causing it. I just hope that everything works out and that justice is served appropriately.
January 10, 2008 at 1:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charleston_grown (anonymous) says...
the kid got what he deserved, and that is a straight fact. it sucks, that he was beaten up by 3 individuals vs 1, but he was asking for it. as far as i am concerned the issue is settled, everyone should apologize and that should be it. shame on anyone trying to turn this into a big deal, fact of the matter is, a little rich prick, talked s**t on an opposing school's campus and got his a** handed to him. all parties where wrong, and this should be dropped. the kid deserved it, and the people involved deserve to be reprimanded. no charges, grow up, this is real life
January 10, 2008 at 2:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Moonpie- I am not posting on this board for anyone to proofread. I am sure you posted things as well that was not correct. But I know what I post and I never said anything about the Gadsden kids going to BE for an education so your post to me is BLAH!
Answer my question if you can if you can't then okay! :>)
January 10, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
another thing Moonpie-
If you want to proofread something why don't you proofread what you post:
Posted on January 7 at 6:09 a.m.
"The man fired the rifle into the woods." Did he shoot at the officers OR fire into the woods? Now things are getting scetchy either by a play on words here by the P&C or lack of proper wording. I have posted before if the police tell you to drop yourweapon, get out of the car, to stop, you might want to consider doing it. I have no sympathy for morons that don't listen and end up getting shot BUT there are the Officer Lenau's out there. Look him up if you don't remember...
There is always someone on the board that if they don't like what you post they have to come back with telling someone else about spelling and grammar....proof your own crap then get back with me! Stop pointing fingers because one is always pointed right back at cha!
January 10, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sushi (anonymous) says...
It's all a case about the fool leading the foolish. I went to middle school with Gilly and Alex, and I think Gilly is a bad influence, and I think Alex made the egghead move of becoming Gilly's best friend. I don't think Mr. Held should resign because of his son did extremely stupid stuff like that.
January 10, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
First of all I hope everyone is having a great day!! Now, is there anyone that knows "facts" because all I am reading is a bunch of BS! I am not even going to talk about the current situation dealing with these three individuals. However, I am going to tell u guys about something that occured in the fall-winter of 1997. A young man named David Lavelle and two other BE students were attending a party on Johns Island. After attending the party for a short period Mr. Lavelle was approached and beaten by over 10 Porter-Gaud students. One of these individuals beat him with an empty beer keg. David was helped by Heyward Duffy the son of a local judge and fellow classmate!! Heyward was hit several times and eventually got him (David) in the car and left, taking him to the hospital. You could not even recognize David!!!, but Coach Lavelle did not sue. Why not? He could be living in the Calhoun Mansion if he wanted, ha!! Between Judge Duffy and Mr. Theos they definitely had power and influence. He did not sue because Coach, Mr. Theos and David are not cowards and decided just to let it BE. What would Mr. Nick have done, today? The same damn thing as Mr. Held because he hand picked a man of character and conviction. Its because of people like this kids dad that make my insurance so high. Please have a good day and sorry for all the grammitical errors, I was in the A2 posse! By the way we handled the situation ourselves and I never read about that in the paper either!
January 10, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
Bishops1998- I graduated from PG in 1998. I am doubting that story. I know it did not happen from people in my class. I knew everyone in the class above me (there were only 70 of us in each class) and there were not 10 guys who would do that. Most of them were too busy getting high. I think you are greatly exaggerating.
Also, the "student in effigy" from '97 was originally hung at BE. the BE students who vandalized PG took it down and took it over to PG. the statue they broke at PG was of a girl that had died of cancer the year before. The best thing we did was put eggs in the air conditioning unit at BE, I heard that smelled for weeks.
The reason we vandalized BE? They had been doing it to us for years and nothing ever happened. We do it back and the sh!t hits the fan. All the PG guys confessed, neither of the 2 BE guys did. I am good friends with one of them now.
January 10, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
PGPride u were proberly at band or drama practice, maybe chuckie cheese? I promise u it happened. As for the vandalized statue I think it was aweful that BE students did that! Do u think mature adults condone this activity? You obliviously think two wrongs make a right! The fact that I took the time to reply to you was a great waste of my time.
January 10, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
Bishops1998- I emailed a friend asking about the Lavelle situation. You were right in that he was beat up, but it wasn't by 10 people. Two or three. You also failed to mention why they were pissed at him. Maybe because he vandalized the statue of a guy who went to PG that died in a car wreck? Maybe he shouldn't have gotten drunk at that party and started bragging about doing it. Stay classy.
January 10, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
"Do u think mature adults condone this activity?"
I was 17 at the time. I wouldn't have called myself a mature adult back then. Sorry, we didn't have a band.
January 10, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
He graduated the year before the statue was vandalized. I know the dumbasses who vandalized the statue and they are younger than David u were a Junior when this fight occured the statue was vandalized when u were a senior. Well thank u PG Pride u prove my point exactly!! I thought 2-3 was lynching in this state and obviously u are an adult at 17 because these 3 kids got defamed because of an over protective dad and or soccer mom!! There are two sides to a story!!!
January 10, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
By the way his name was Michael Rawls and he was a good guy. You don't even know your own story?
January 10, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
I have not said a word about this story. I have only commented on my experience in '97. I really don't have an opinion because based on the comments above not all the facts are out. Not sure what you are trying to prove with the last 3 sentences.
There were two statues- one for a guy that died in a car crash (that apparently David vandalized) and one for a girl that died of cancer (this was the one vandalized when I was a senior). I think you are mixed up. I am only telling you what a friend said who was at the party and heard David.
January 10, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BE1990 (anonymous) says...
Ok folks, a few of you have said it best as well as a few of you have proved why the power of media can be a great thing as well as irreversible damaging.
I am related (1st Cousin and godfather) to of one of the accused. I happen to be aware that the young man from PG did not paint an entirely accurate picture of the events that transpired that night. There were well more than three men involved in the entire evolution. There were upwards of 7-10 young men present. Now, I'm not certain as to who threw the punch but I promise you that it wasn't a "gang" related endeavor.
I recall in 1988 or 89 when Freddy St. Laurent and Tommy Hartnett Jr. had planned to scuffle after school (both we BE students). There were even fliers passing around. Apparently, Mr. Theos and Coach Lavelle got word and were present at the agreed upon spot so true to form, the guys and their respective entourages decided to meet at an alternate location. This time, there was no stopping them. There was only one punch thrown!!! One punch and Tommy wore sunglasses to school and while "in" class. His eye looked like he had gotten hit with a 95 mph fastball. I don't recall Tommy Hartnett Sr. filing a law suit nor do I recall either young man being expelled however there may have been some suspension involved.
I'm curious to know if some of the young lad from PG's surgical procedures became elective after fixing the immediate issue. I'm not say him being punched was right, just curious about the facts.
Point is folks, wait til the "FACTS" come out. If we all sat in a circle and I started the password game with the phrase "green and white, such delight", by the time it got back to me, it would now be "red and grey, such a sad sad day".
BE Class of 1990, AII Posse-founding member
January 10, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BE1990 (anonymous) says...
Reposted to correct errors:
Ok folks, a few of you have said it best as well as a few of you have proved why the power of media can be a great thing as well as irreversibly damaging.
I am related (1st Cousin and godfather) to of one of the accused. I happen to be aware that the young man from PG did not paint an entirely accurate picture of the events that transpired that night. There were well more than three men involved in the entire evolution. There were upwards of 7-10 young men present. Now, I'm not certain as to who threw the punch but I promise you that it wasn't a "gang" related endeavor.
I recall in 1988 or 89 when Freddy St. Laurent and Tommy Hartnett Jr. had planned to scuffle after school (both we BE students). There were even fliers passing around. Apparently, Mr. Theos and Coach Lavelle got word and were present at the agreed upon spot so true to form, the guys and their respective entourages decided to meet at an alternate location. This time, there was no stopping them. There was only one punch thrown!!! One punch and Tommy wore sunglasses to school and while "in" class. His eye looked like he had gotten hit with a 95 mph fastball. I don't recall Tommy Hartnett Sr. filing a law suit nor do I recall either young man being expelled however there may have been some suspension involved.
I'm curious to know if some of the young lad from PG's surgical procedures became elective after fixing the immediate issue. I'm not saying him being punched was right, just curious about the facts.
Point is folks, wait til the "FACTS" come out. If we all sat in a circle and I started the password game with the phrase "green and white, such delight", by the time it got back to me, it would now be "red and grey, such a sad sad day".
BE Class of 1990, AII Posse-founding member
January 10, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Why can't the paper wait till all the facts come out? You know who should resign Mrs. Parks, for writing such BS!! Even PGPride admits all the facts aren't out or at least I think thats his/her story. PGPride would make a great speech writer for John Kerry!!
January 10, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
I really don't care about this story. I just found it funny my antics from 1997 were mentioned.
January 10, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rutledge (anonymous) says...
I was at the party on Johns Island, I do remember it being at least 4-5 guys and you are right they got him pretty good. Heyward did pull him out and if I remember correctly his car paid a real price with the beer keg they were using as a weapon. I don't remember what it was about but I doubt it was anything related to vandalism. I think it may have been 1996 (long before the vandalism occured). I remember it being right before Thanksgiving and it being cold as hell.
I am sorry for the BE kids and for the PG kid as well, I do not think anyone wanted to put someone in the hospital; however, the charges are very serious and I hope that a better understanding of the events come out in the legal process, rather than just this speculation.
January 10, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Thank you for the clarification, I thought Heyward could have eaten five guys back then, he did eat 13 hot dogs at BE day.
January 10, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PGPride (anonymous) says...
The vandalism occurred many times before 1997- BE had been doing it for years. That is why, as seniors, we were going to retaliate. Childish, yes, but we were kids.
The statue for Michael Rawls (I was leaving names out, but I guess Bishops already put it out there) was put up around 1993. I think he was supposed to graduate in '93 or '94.
January 10, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
PGPride don't avoid the issue at hand, if u don't care about these kids then stop posting on the issue. Why leave names out the Bishop England Students were on the front page and on the news. Do u not think everyone knew about Michael's accident. His car was taken to high schools around Charleston to show kids what could happen if u drink and drive! Go back and read your first post, half of it is wrong.
January 10, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Friday (anonymous) says...
I live by this mantra: WWCCD?
What Would Coach Cantey Do?
After cursing under his breath in his geechie brogue, this saint of a man would have just had to look at all three of them with disappointment, and all three would have felt shame to their bones.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick a fight with my Ashley Hall alumna neighbor.
good day.
January 10, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
samboinsc (anonymous) says...
after reading all of your comments there are couple of things that i need to say, but first i need to mention a couple of names. Girleygirl, JohnQ, SCVOTER, upcountry, disco, and MyView the one thing that all of these people have in common is that they are full of it. there so full of s@%t there eyes are brown there asses are showing and i plan to kick them hard. the worst offender of all is tmtoyh this ill informed person stated that BE students were wearing nuses around there necks to mock the death of the PG student. i am here to say that is totaly false i was at the basketball game and in the student section. i am currently a student at BE a senior and i happen to know all 3 kids that are involved i have played football with all of them and wrestled with one they are all good guys and they made a mistake. and as for the PG kid he is lying i saw him drive onto the grass and proceed to peel out and run over a sign. he will never do anything that stupid again and if he does im willing to bet that he will get his ass beat again. i hope that guily alex and hazel get a fair trial and that kid gets whats comin for him. if you wana talk to me e mail me at samboinsc@yahoo.com go BATTLING BISHOPS!
January 10, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
If the PG kid tore up the lawn at BE, he deserves to be charged with vandalism. If the BE kids beat him up, they deserve to be charged with assault and battery. OK?
By the way, a BE parent told me today that the PG kid was badly beaten, according to his kids at BE who were not involved. He did say that the PG kid messed up the lawn but added that he should have been arrested, and that SHOULD have been the end of it. As for those who think he deserved to get beaten, I hope you don't advocate that in front of your kids.
January 10, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
this_is_nonsense (anonymous) says...
I Am a Senior at BE. I know every single one of these boys personally. I have grown up with two of them and one of them is my best friend. By now you probably know who I am. Now that I've introduced myself:
This is in reply mainly to anonymousstudent:
First, I don't think that you are going to offend anybody with your comments. You're making yourself look ignorant. You go to BE, you know the story, and you know that people are being falsely accused. You know who is being falsely accused and you know who is in the wrong. Everyone at BE knows exactly the two people I'm talking about; and I'm going to assume, you are included in this population.
The reason the kids weren't suspended until two weeks later is that the school was waiting for the police and diocese to take action. I don't know if you recall the kids being called out of class to go speak with the police or anything. Maybe you chose not to recall these facts to make your point seem stronger. And when you were walking through the halls with these students did you really feel threatened or something of that sort? If you know any of these guys you wouldn't feel that way at all. Next, in response to your teacher's comment: I'm going to assume that since it was the following Monday that a certain someone, who seems to have been forgotten by the administration, police, and the victim, was still assumed to be a part of this. I'm going to assume that this was before Michael became a suspect of sorts. Because every teacher I talk to says something along the lines of, "I can't believe that Michael is involved. He wouldn't hurt a fly. He's too sweet to do that." And if you listen closely in the halls, you would hear every student saying the same exact thing. Everyone knows that Michael is being falsely accused. Everyone knows that someone who doesn't deserve to be back at BE is back. Everyone who goes to BE knows exactly who I'm talking about; this includes you, anonymousstudent. Sure I have a bias considering I've grown up with Michael, but honestly, how can you attend BE and even begin to think that he had anything to do with this? Have you been living under a rock in the BE community. Come on.
Now please go on to read the next comment, because I, like yourself, just had too much to say on the subject
January 10, 2008 at 8:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
this_is_nonsense (anonymous) says...
Yes the boys deserve punishment. But they deserve punishment that is in accordance to the actions they took. If they hit the victim, an action that was completely wrong, they deserve what they're getting. Two of the true bystanders, and again, if you attend BE you know who they were, in accordance with the handbook got exactly what they deserved, suspension. Those two returned to school today, welcome back! I, and a majority of the student body, wish that we could welcome Michael back in place of another young man who will remain unnamed.
I hope this opened your eyes anonymousstudent, but I have a feeling your ignorance will override the facts, much like it has with dozens of people who have given input on this forum.
God bless each one of these boys and their families. We are here and praying for you.
January 10, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blync (anonymous) says...
alright this is the last thing im will say about the issue... what happened in the 90s happened in the 90s... that is NOT the argument at hand...
all parties should apologize for their actions and be punished according to their actions
no one (or three) person(s) have the right to judge or hand out punishments...thats what our judiciary system is for!
please! now if ANYONE doesn't mind let's get back to more pressing issues in society other that a little bad press for Bishop England... all schools get bad press from time-to-time.... it just happened to fall on BE this time....
so really people... there are more important things in life that a high school fight!
January 10, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wonderdog (anonymous) says...
There ARE more important things........like Bourne's #6.
January 10, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fed1490 (anonymous) says...
To this_ is_ nonsense:
I believe when you say that your friend Michael Hazel is good person. Your strong conviction shows me that you truly care about him. As you said "Because every teacher I talk to says something along the lines of, "I can't believe that Michael is involved. He wouldn't hurt a fly. He's too sweet to do that." Maybe this is true, but what if...
I'm simply wondering if he is innocent of the crime, merely a witness to it, how could he idly sit by and watch his friends brutely attack another human being? I hope that his conscience did kick in and he did realize that what he was seeing was wrong, but maybe he felt he couldn't break up the fight who knows?
And this forum for debate is great by the way. A perfect example of people expressing their views without knocking one anothers lights out. All people should first turn to diplomatic debates to solve to their quarrels instead of fighting everytime or else the Democrats and Republicans would be throwin' it down in Congress every other day.--ie.Sumner-Brooks affair circa 1850s
Well even if you don't get that reference you know that as I have said before the world would be in chaos without justice and with only violence.
January 10, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarkCCU (anonymous) says...
297 posts! This 15 year old(who apparently can't drive that well at night) probably said something to get beat up. Also, he was probably leaving the game knowing his mouth got him in trouble. People generally don't get beaten up without some reason. The BE boys shouldn't have fought, but it happened. Guess what, boys will continue to fight. The only difference here is it concerns two prestigious schools and the 15 yr olds father is a lawyer.
Case closed. Go worry about more important things.
January 11, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
Posted by samboinsc (anonymous) on January 10, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
after reading all of your comments there are couple of things that i need to say, but first i need to mention a couple of names. Girleygirl, JohnQ, SCVOTER, upcountry, disco, and MyView the one thing that all of these people have in common is that they are full of it. there so full of s@%t there eyes are brown there asses are showing and i plan to kick them hard. the worst offender of all is tmtoyh this ill informed person stated that BE students were wearing nuses around there necks to mock the death of the PG student. i am here to say that is totaly false i was at the basketball game and in the student section. i am currently a student at BE a senior and i happen to know all 3 kids that are involved i have played football with all of them and wrestled with one they are all good guys and they made a mistake. and as for the PG kid he is lying i saw him drive onto the grass and proceed to peel out and run over a sign. he will never do anything that stupid again and if he does im willing to bet that he will get his ass beat again. i hope that guily alex and hazel get a fair trial and that kid gets whats comin for him. if you wana talk to me e mail me at samboinsc@yahoo.com go BATTLING BISHOPS!
Okay Mr. Internet wanna be thug....but then again you are a child and I see why you wrote what you did so calling you immature and childish won't make sense because you are a kid.
Like I said before if they beat this boy like they did then thats why they were arrested. If that boy died all three would be charged for murder or at the least involuntary manslaughter so I'm sorry if its hard for you to understand but when you do grown up things,you get charged as a grown up for doing grown up crimes.
January 11, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BE35274 (anonymous) says...
You all are so ignorant. A fight between boys is all this was. Basically the PG kid is a weenie. Michael is innocent. Gilly and Alex are being judged completely wrong. I know all of the boys very well. Sushi- you are a complete idiot. Fatherfirst- you're dad must have been as big of a weenie as you are. Guy Artigues is a wonderful man and if you were a true man you would have the balls to say that to his face. Gilly is like his father Iagree wiht you there. He is hard working, warm- hearted, and has the balls to do whats right.
January 11, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Has the PG student taken a lie detecter test!! I know that one of the BE students did, and passed!! Now if that kid can pass the (PG student) I'll kiss your a--! I'll even pay for it! Getney H. can bill me. Ouch, it is already burning a whole in my pocket.
January 11, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BE1990 (anonymous) says...
I'm Michael's cousin. A few folks have alluded to his innocence. What facts can you provide that he is indeed innocent? Does anyone know what REALLY happened? Were you there to witness it? If so, have you gone to the school authorities? The Police?
January 11, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sushi (anonymous) says...
Thank you for that statement, BE35274, but FYI, not only have I known Gilly and Alex since 6th grade, but I also go to the same church as them. To add on to my comment, Gilly withdrew from elementary school because he cussed out a teacher. I don't know who you think you are, BE35274, but I knew something like this would happen when they admitted Gilly.
January 11, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sushi (anonymous) says...
BTW, BE35274: do you want Mr. Held to resign because of Alex's decisions?
January 11, 2008 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Sushi recess is over get back to class
January 11, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alittleconfused (anonymous) says...
i go to BE to but am not completely sure what is going on with the whole Kyle and Dominique thing. any BE students who know whats going on with that?
January 11, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charleston843 (anonymous) says...
All of yall are wrong worng wrong they even admitted to hitting the 15 yo kid multiple times. Yes he was driving after dark, but it is legal to drive to and from school advents. So that is out of the question, he did not do donuts like I said earlier. This kid is 120 pounds versus 3 football players how is he a weenie? That is like taking a knife to a gun fight. All those boys tried to fight my buddies earlier that night, and whoever said Gilly Artigues is a good guy haha at you. Look on facebook Gilly Artigues. He has his shirt off in almsot every pic flexing like he is a bada$$. I was somewhere one time and saw him break this kids leg at this persons house, becasue the kid didn't like any people from the South, even though Gilly's record is clean, he is known by the police for differnt sorts of aggravated assualts.
And whoever said run, forest, run I bet that kid can outrun any of these people on this site.
January 11, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Charleston843 the kids mother admits he was doing donuts. Call him, ask him if he went to the dentist yesturday, ask him what his mommy said there. She should not talk if she doesn't want people to hear. Know your facts! It sounds like u are jealous of the kid (Gilly). What are u on facebook doing, eating donuts? Don't write like u know what your talking about, are you a cop? Just checking because you are aware everything they know! He (Your buddy) is obviously not too fast, Huh? If u go to Porter-Gaud they need to get u hooked on phonics. Not only did he not have a knife I think he is missing a pair of something like balls? They could drop one day though.
January 11, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BEsenior (anonymous) says...
that kid couldnt out run me. but it doesnt matter. three of my friends might have to spend 6 months in jail in Columbia for the attack. which isnt event that bad compared to other fights. plus, one of the accused, and everyone at BE knows who he is,wasnt even involved.
January 12, 2008 at 12:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
They won't go to jail I promise u that. Don't worry the truth will come out.
January 12, 2008 at 12:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BE35274 (anonymous) says...
sushi trust me you obviously don't know Gilly or Alex very well and no I don't want Mr. Held to resign. He is a great guy and has raised two great kids. If Alex is guilty, he was only doing what he thought was right at the time, defending BE.I promise you if Alex did hit him it was nothing compared to what damage he could have done. They basically just taught the little weenie a lesson, and it is being blown way out of proportion. And yes the little 15 year old is a weenie. He shouldn't have started what Daddy has to finish.
January 12, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bishops1998 (anonymous) says...
Too bad daddy can't finish what the little s--- started anyway. Amen BE35274!!
January 12, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Blakeley31 (anonymous) says...
charleston843 Gilly would prolly beat the crap out of u and if I was the PG kids parent's I would lay low and not say anything. Its embarrassing enough that he got the crap beat out of him.
January 12, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peitro16 (anonymous) says...
ok what i want to know is why was this kid driving after hours. he is only 15. something is fishy about this. i know it was wrong for what these kids did, but this would of never of happened if it werent for that kid. For the people to that say Mr. Held should resign, and is a bad father you need to stick it up your ass! Alot of people are saying that he is a bad father, if you have kids they are probably doing things that you dont even now about thats just as bad or worse.
January 12, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peitro16 (anonymous) says...
Charleston843.......... Do you know what you are talking about? Where you there?
January 12, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ladychaos88 (anonymous) says...
1) I am not catholic, but attended BSS & BEHS (RECENTLY): Most ppl who attend catholic schools are catholic. In the catholic belief at 12 years old you decide your faith, a big decision. If y'all feel that a decision can be made by a youth at that age, why can't a 17 year old be held accountable of their actions. Don't fault the parents (Held).
2) I went to school with some of your kids. Believe it, you don't know what the hell they are doing. So, don't overestimate your parenting skills. Peer pressure has big influence.
3) Yeah, all parties involved weren't black. But he didn't feel that way. When you go to a school like BEHS, you assimilate sadly. He was half anyway. Contrary to older people's belief, when you talk and dress a certain way, people sometimes forget skin color.
4)Yeah there's several fights that occur in downtown that aren't accounted for. But Y'all are just surprised that disciplinary action was taken towards these student. So was I. It's not everyday that BE boys from Sullivan and Daniel Island are discipline publicly.
January 13, 2008 at 3:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dountoothers115 (anonymous) says...
I'm just wondering why we have heard nothing about the PG kid being arrested for damaging property? If he did all that they are saying he did, why didn't the police take pictures, where is the police report on the damage, etc. Maybe that is coming? Police reports are public record and you would think that someone would have gotten it after a month to show what supposedly started all this?
My gut tells me that this is not about what happened that night but a CULTURE that has gone on for a long time unchecked. Why did it take so long when other students who have done less were gone in a day? To me, it seems that this might be a "sympton" of a "cancer" that has gone untreated (i.e., your last name, whether you are an athlete, how much your parents make, etc.) Fights like this just do not make the paper and the local media like this one has. These schools have been vandalizing each other for years. As a part of the BE community right now as a parent and former student, there is something deeper going on here...and I hold David Held responsible -- as much as I like him personally. He, the Diocese, leadership, etc. need to look beyond this teenage fight. There's more to this one and that is all I will say...
January 13, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cannibalcorpse127 (anonymous) says...
BE is all white trash, period.
January 13, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BEsenior (anonymous) says...
Clever one faggot
January 13, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pumpkinseed (anonymous) says...
Ever heard of a college football team being put on probation for their players accepting gifts from alumni or agents? The school suffers the pain while the rule breakers enjoy their gain. Perhaps it is time to look into the admin of BE as they have lost BOLCHOZ, DARNELL, DAWLEY, RUNEY and DANIELS. Were their hands tied with this group of Seniors and any special treatment given to sons of the confederacy.The ship is sinking and they were on the first lifeboat out.
THANK YOU CLASS OF 2008 - The gift of all new school personel is a great gift to leave behind. Sorry to the 90% of you Seniors who have nothing to do with this whole mess. A lifeboat will be waiting for you for you Senior Trip out of dodge.
What would Jack Cantey do? He is still a asst. coach for football, however the days of being a hard a@@ are gone for punishment. The only fighting allowed is when boys will be boys.
January 14, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ColdBeerIsACop (anonymous) says...
Coach Cantey rules!
January 15, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tooshort94 (anonymous) says...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
February 6, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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