Sheriff defends spending
Questions arise about conflict of interest
By Dave Munday
The Post and Courier
Dorchester County sheriff Ray Nash
ST. GEORGE - Dorchester County Sheriff Ray Nash makes no apologies for giving his administrator's brother-in-law $65,000 over the plast two years to maintain the department's computer system.
He also has no regrets for paying his former campaign manager $1,500 a month as jail chaplain.
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Nash says he is sorry he didn't keep a closer eye on his his former jail chief, who is accused of diverting tens of thousands of dollars from the jail to a personal account.
'None of this has been done in secret,' Nash said Thursday. 'Now that we've found a rat in the system, some people are couching this whole thing in subversive terms. What we've been doing is trying to make the best use of public funds. Sometimes that means hiring people you know and trust.'
At County Council's request, a forensic auditor is investigating the Sheriff's Office spending. The most significant finding so far was that somebody apparently siphoned off jail money. Nash said Captain Arnold Pastor, his former jail chief, diverted checks from a jail fund into a personal account. That account shows expenditures to a motel; $2,241 to Carnival Cruise Lines; a $599.45 cash card withdrawal on the Royal Caribbean International cruise ship Sovereign of the Seas; and more than 50 ATM withdrawals. Pastor has not been charged. Nash said the State Law Enforcement Division is waiting for the audit to be finished to bring the case to a statewide grand jury.
The auditor also is checking other bookkeeping irregularities, including payments to S&R Promotions, which installed a computer system for the Sheriff's Office. The company is owned by Ralph Reahard
of Tampa, Fla. He's married to the sister of Franklin Smith, Nash's administrator.
There's no indication of any wrongdoing, but the accounting of how the money was spent leaves much to be desired, saidaccording to auditor Ron Wise of Rachlin, Cohen & Holtz
of Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Wise will spend the next several weeks looking more closely at the records.
Another forensic auditor watching the investigation questioned why Nash would allow a relative to get the contract in the first place.
'That's a classic conflict-of-interest situation, because he's a related party,' said Jock Stender of Mount Pleasant, a fraud examiner and president of the Coastal Carolina Chapter of Internal Auditors.
Nash defended Smith's decision to bring in his brother-in-law. He said the department's computer system crashed, and none of the county's information specialists could fix it. Smith mentioned that his brother-in-law was a retired computer expert, and Nash said to go for it.
'His (Smith's) sister just happens to be married to a very competent computer consultant who has done a good job getting our system out of the mess it was in,' Nash said. 'On one extreme is to hand out political favors. The other is not to hire any relatives, and that would be wrong.'
The biggest problem is not who installed the system but the fact that it's not compatible with the rest of the county's software, Council Chairman Larry Hargett said.
'I would like to see all funds under the oversight of the auditor and finance director,' Hargett said.
Smith said there are no plans to switch computer systems but that they're working on a way to make the Sheriff's Office system more compatible with the rest of the county.
Stender also questioned why Nash made his former campaign manager his jail chaplain, since that also appears to be a conflict of interest. The Rev. Don Shackelford, a Baptist pastor, managed Nash's election campaign in 1996. He's getting $1,500 a month as jail chaplain, according to the latest records.
Shackelford said he was interested in ministering to inmates during the campaign, and Nash let him start volunteering at the jail, Nash said. As Shackelford's time and commitment at the jail increased, Nash said he thought it was right to start paying him. The money for chaplains comes from inmates' collect phone calls.
'It wasn't like I was going to bring my buddy in as campaign manger and start paying him,' Nash said. 'He was a known entity, and it made sense. I think a worker is worthy of his wages.'
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mac0cm4 (anonymous) says...
Oooh! Oooh! Can anyone tell me which 'Character Quality' that Sheriff Nash is exhibiting? Maybe he should follow his own character training...
January 4, 2008 at 5:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mggoose2000 (anonymous) says...
Get real folks, this is the South and it's been done this way for decades. This isn't something new, here. We've all been aware of the politics of public service entities like the DCSD and we've not said a damn thing until now. Now we want to jump up on the wagon and start our own campaign to discredit a mans' reputation. Let's wait and see what the final outcome is before we start jumping to conclusions. If the audit shows that the Sheriff had any part in doing something illegal or morally wrong; we can deal with it accordingly. Remember, if you were charged with some wrong doing, you'd want the same consideration; innocent until proven guilty!
January 4, 2008 at 7:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rich_Hamlin (anonymous) says...
The question of whether the audit will show that anything legally or morally wrong has already been answered. See the article: "There's no indication of any wrongdoing... according to auditor Ron Wise of Rachlin, Cohen & Holtz."
Apparently in the minds of commenters, "no indication of any wrongdoing" can also mean certain indication of being "just another South Carolina political worm." In election season, it's to be expected that false charges will appear, and the true political worms will go on to make unsubstantiated character defamations (see Harpo and mac0cm4).
January 4, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
A good leader knows that not only should he do things correctly but also APPEAR to do things correctly. On the surface, this looks like a poor or naive decision. A simple bid process for this work would allay most concerns about nepotism and impropriety.
January 4, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ln1959 (anonymous) says...
I am sorry, but to say that there where not IT Specialist in the area that could fix his network is a dam slap in the face to all of those IT's that keep Charleston Police, Mt. Pleasant Police and North Charleston Police department network up. Not to mention all of the colleges, the hospitals and other business that are much bigger then his department. This really piss me off, cause I am an IT and I know I could have gotten his dang network back online.
January 4, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"The auditor also is checking other bookkeeping irregularities, including payments to S&R Promotions, which installed a computer system for the Sheriff's Office. The company is owned by Ralph Reahardof Tampa, Fla. He's married to the sister of Franklin Smith, Nash's administrator." "Nash defended Smith's decision to bring in his brother-in-law. He said the department's computer system crashed, and none of the county's information specialists could fix it. Smith mentioned that his brother-in-law was a retired computer expert, and Nash said to go for it."
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. NO ONE ELSE IN 'DORCHESTER' COUNTY COULD GET THIS FIXED SO SOMEONE FROM FLORIDA HAD TO COME IN TO DO THE JOB? EVEN IF THE GUY WASN'T AN ADMINISTRATOR'S RELATIVE, WHY HIRE SOMEONE OUT OF STATE WHEN THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF IT SPECIALISTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HIRED ON A CONTRACTUAL BASIS?
"'His (Smith's) sister just happens to be married to a very competent computer consultant who has done a good job getting our system out of the mess it was in,' Nash said. 'On one extreme is to hand out political favors. The other is not to hire any relatives, and that would be wrong.'"
MR. NASH, THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS TO NOT HIRE FAMILY MEMBERS ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES. YOU ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND SHOULD STAY AS FAR AS AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM ANYTHING SMACKING OF NEPOTISM, CORRUPTION, ETC.
I had a wait and see attitude towards this debacle from the beginning. i'm a firm proponent of 'innocent until proven guilty' however Mr. Nash is making this very difficult for me to assume that he has no culpability in this mess.
AT WORST he knew of the irregularities and AT BEST he suffers from narcissism and naivete and frankly doesn't know when to shut up and stop putting his foot in his mouth. I pray it's the latter and not the former.
not that it would be any consolation in either case.
January 4, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Remember, he didn't turn to his brother in law, the mechanic, who happened to like computers, nor did he appoint his buddy who happened to be "a nice guy" to be chaplain. These men were in the field of expertise he was looking for. I'm not necessarily saying this to defend Nash but there are a lot of paranoid people out there who don't trust anybody. It's commonplace today to look to family and friends first, even over other people who may or may not be more qualified.
January 4, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Rich_Hamlin (anonymous) says...
theronce said, "A good leader knows that not only should he do things correctly but also APPEAR to do things correctly. On the surface, this looks like a poor or naive decision. A simple bid process for this work would allay most concerns about nepotism and impropriety."
In response I would only say that a bid process is more naive. If the sheriff knows an excellent IT specialist that can be trusted with the public money, why would a bid process necessarily be more wise. Perhaps no one would be accused of nepotism, but if there were problems with their computer system, it could be pointed out that the bid process is not the best in terms of producing a quality product. As it is, there have been no problems with the IT service, and we have his brother-in-law's company to thank for it. The truth is, a good leader should not make decisions for the sake of pleasing those who are campaigning against him, but instead should make the best decisions for the people he serves. There is no indication that he has done anything other than the latter.
January 4, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
He's a member of the "bubba club". He'll be alright.
January 4, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
leblackw (anonymous) says...
Hey NASH...huge difference between the way you conduct private business and government business. You can't just go around hiring whomever you'd like without being prepared to defend your choices to the people you serve a little better than saying he "just happens to be married to a very competent computer consultant". What about the very competent computer consultants that just happen to not be related to folks on your staff? Show me, don't just tell me, that you considered them for the same task.
The excuses Nash is feeding us are INSULTING to the intelligence of Dorchester County.
Mac0cm4...HAHA! Wonder if he's particiapted in any of the courses he promotes?
January 4, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Rich: i highly doubt he personally knew this IT specialist (was not his brother-in-law but one of an employee). he only took the word of an employee (not necessarily a bad thing). he went out of state for something that could have been handled by someone closer in proximity and perhaps for less money. and to infer that there WASN"T ANYONE here locally or within the state to handle that issue is NAIVE.
a bid process could and should have been circumvented if it was an emergency. however he could have easily contacted Sheriff Dewitt or Sheriff Cannon's IT Directors for some direction and would have had someone quickly address the issue.
the appearance of impropriety is important and occasionally a 'red flag' of misconduct. to not look at this particular incident as being indicative of a much larger problem is NAIVE.
January 4, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The Cincinnati Beacon 3-2-2006 Phil Heimlich's Gothard Connection says Citizens are Fools"......In 2000 and 2002,The Character Council of Greater Cincinnati brought Sheriff Ray Nash to town to give an extensive"character training"seminar to the police and fire departments.Public records are sparse on this training,but we did acquire a packet entitled "police Dynamics Institute Conference Workbook."It Consists of some original writing,and then reprinted newspaper articles about the Character First Program..The page Shown Labeled"dynamic of Discretion',and it starts by naming "Five types of Fools".(with an authority Figure at the top)
1-Believes anything,needs instruction
2-Out for a good time,needs discipline
3-Immoral,impure,needs court supervision/intervention
4-Mocks Authority,gets simple fool in trouble,needs public punishment
5-Set on Evil,needs prison
Authority without question
1-
January 4, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
What is really funny is that people are in an uproar over the hiring of realitives but these same people want LC Knight to be the new Sheriff. IF you think nepotism is bad now just wait and see if Knight gets elected. Do you think it is a coincidence that there is a Knight employed in amlost every government/municipality in Summerville.
January 4, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The 2 men were part of the Way international Cult.Some of the Fraud and embezzlement cases of this Cult had the same "For Professional services" invoices when they were discovered andindicted..
January 4, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
What was Franklin Smith's Credentials to be placed in that position?
January 4, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...
I am still waiting to hear from Mr. Nash!
January 4, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
geechie: i believe it is.
i'm not trying to besmirch the reputation or credentials of this company, the onus was and still is on Nash to make sure things are done appropriately.
i'm sure this company is quite capable, but should not have been given the opportunity to work on this project without first exhausting every attempt to find a local vendor.
January 4, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
With incomplete facts to-date, it might be better to refer to Nash's ummm lack of intelligence?
Just having an incompatible county system leaves the entire county vulnerable, or so it would seem. Why would anyone allow an incompatible system to be installed in such an important area?...unless...
Some have abilities, some don't. This is really a bad case scenario :(
January 4, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Search"The Way International Cult" Then Look for "review of John Schoenheits's paper on adultery"By Dr John Juedes or Review of "overview of events" by John Lynn.........Then look at the Military training,stockpiling of weapons,rape,adultery,Sexual harassment etc etc cases
January 4, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Here's an interesting observation about Nash. If you would go back and string together quotes from him or his office, some of them clearly were made "off the cuff" with no thought of public perception. Here's the question; Is that good or bad? Clearly, Nash is not a politician (I actually mean that as a compliment). He's human, he makes mistakes like any of us, and I agree, he's terrible at covering them up. I think that's good. If anybody is in any office for any real length of time and you DON'T hear about any mistakes, that means they got away with it and the situation will obviously never get straightened out. With Nash, at least the truth ends up coming out one way or another. No Sheriff is perfect, but I think the public benefits in the long run from having a Sheriff who is not some slick politician.
January 4, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The Original Way new-member "power for abundant living video course was the main source of teaching and outreach.....The audit reveals money going to this California Based Company...Are We Training Prisoners to be Part Of this Cult?
How Does a Law enforcement Officer surround himself with all of this?
Grey Rider the public would benefit if this money was used to control taxes not Minds?
January 4, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
ChrisPia - I understand, but what I meant was that because Nash is not good at playing the slick politician role, we are able to debate this in the public square and put pressure on him. All those in public office should have their "feet held to the fire". Political involvement for the people does NOT end the day after an election. People may be upset about Nash's comments on this, but at least he's not covering it up. With too many truly corrupt politicians, this story would not even have seen the light of day. Payoffs would've kept it hidden from public knowledge. Disagree with how he spends public money, but be glad that you know enough to present a case against his spending.
January 4, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moephishwater (anonymous) says...
Franklin Smith was a frozen meat salesman before Mr. Nash appointed him his administrator. I believe they had a connection through their church. Those are his "credentials".
January 4, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ccalder (anonymous) says...
Sheriff Nash appears to be a controlling figure who does not like to follow anyone's rules but his own. Anyone knows that it's just plain smart to disburse governmental monies in accordance with State and/or Federal guidelines. I work for a school district and we make a profit by selling ice cream to students. That profit goes into the "Principal's Account" to be spent at the Principal's discretion, thus it is not part of the General School District Budget. However, that does not mean the Principal may make up his own rules for spending these fundraised funds; the disbursements of this money still has to be handled in accordance with State guidelines. When someone in charge thinks that they can spend funds in any way that they choose to benefit the staff and agency, there is a huge chance that there will be inappropriate spending. Guidelines and/or restrictions are in place for a darn good reason. I have no sympathy for Sheriff Nash; he has opened himself up to public ridicule by making poor, poor choices for someone in charge of such a major endeavor.
January 4, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Did Sheriff Nash Do A Background Check on Franklin Smith and Bo Reahard when hired?They Belonged to the Way Cult!
Did Sheriff Nash Mention the Character training money that was spent?
Did Nash Explain that 1.5 percent of the budget overage in overtime is about the same amount it would cost to eliminate his character training? So Is He asking the Taxpayers to fund this Again and Again?
Can he used that money to do Highly NEEDED policework in the Communities?
ONCE AGAIN THIS GOES BEYOND EMBEZZLEMENT.THE FEDS have been Notified of My Findings!
January 4, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Judging from JohnQ's posts, I think Nash should hire JohnQ and put him in charge of a special department that handles drug dealers. Sounds like JohnQ might even take the job for free. He sounds eager.
January 4, 2008 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Read The Summerville Journal....182 jobs since 2002.(keep in mind nash started in 1996)...A Computer expert with "Professional Services" invoices.A Computer system that was not compatible and always broken?
January 4, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Nash said his background is proof that he has had a successful law enforcement career.Iv'e been in Public service for quite a few years now,I encourage people to look at my record...6/23/96 P&C By Collette Baxley
..Trust,he said is built on integrity,which includes both Character and Competency 1/18/97 by Bobbie Young
...He said He Would rather have an employee of good character without training and skills than a highly skilled employee who lacks what he considers essential character qualities 1/18/97 By Bobbie young P&C
January 4, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Carolina_Politics (anonymous) says...
The word for this is patronage. There is certainly nothing wrong with Nash employing these people, but it walks a fine ethical line and sacrifices the confidence and character instilled in him by the constituency that voted him into office.
http://www.carolinapoliticsonline.com
January 4, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
ChrisPia - "Nash said his background is proof that he has had a successful law enforcement career"
Just my opinion, but I don't see a problem with that statement. Dorchester County has a very low violent crime rate when compared with the rest of South Carolina. Would you rather have a higher crime rate but a smaller budget? A Sheriff is hired to keep the crime rate down. You HOPE that he also can do this without wasting taxpayer money, but keeping crime down is (for most people) far more important. Nash has done a good job keeping crime under control in Dorchester County. The people of Dorchester County would be best served if he stayed in office, but became a far better administrator. Just my opinion.
January 4, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
Its like the Dukes of Hazzard. Ole Boss Hog and Roscoe always planning to scam someone, when caught, nothing happens. Just a Good Ole Boys.
January 4, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
flinsc (anonymous) says...
Please don't do that to my Little Fat Buddy or to Flash. Gegege
January 4, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The Crime rate of SC is the Worst in the Country. He is a failure in this also....My Point is he should be concentrating on cleaningup crime not Martial arts,Promisekeepers,ALERT,State Guard,Police Dynamics etc....He was Hired as a Sheriff to Combat Crime.Just because he is 20% better than the State average doesn't mean he is a success.We Need someone that has a plan to reduce crime with experienced people...His Statistics are getting worse not Better.Look at the Dorchester County Budget Figures..
January 4, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Patterns of Lawsuits have Followed Mr Nash From Irmo PD to Summerville PD to Dorchester County Sheriffs Department......Who Pays But The Taxpayers?
It would Be Interesting to Know Why Sheriff Ray Nash is Liquidating his assests?
January 4, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
allwoman: when you're done hand it over.
remember...
tase tase pass!
January 4, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
notafan (anonymous) says...
Every other time there has been a article about Nash in the paper all of LC Knight's supporters post crucify Nash and reference "Knight for Sheriff". They even talk about how much better it would be in Dorchester County if he were Sheriff. But yet there is no mention on today's board. Could it be that this sort of nepotism would be even more wide scale when and if Knight were to become Sheriff? Anyone who has lived in Summerville for any extended period of time knows that the good ol boy system is alive and well. It does not matter what your qualifications are but rather who your parents are.
January 4, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
It appears that ChrisPia is frothting at the mouth, sounds like bitterness has caused him to lose all objectivity and reasoning. My suggestion, take a deep breath and get a grip. Your ranting convolutes most of your comments. How about the rest of you "armchair Sled Agents" waiting on the investigation to be completed before jumping to contusions...er conclusions.
January 4, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
Speaking of the gob network in Summerville, you betcha, Nash is not and will never be accepted by the gob. I see that as a positive, however. Now, if only he would act like he had good sense. Hiring your relatives...give me a break...how stupid can you be. Those in authority that have so much power and influence can be so stupid. It is not a good idea to keep the same people in for too long, I guess. It goes to their head, if not their pocket.
January 4, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
Take a moment and check facts before commenting...The Sheriff did not hire a relative. He hired the relative of another employee. Before you go off the deep end, think about where your logic is taking you...your not saying that a relative of another employee can never be hired by the organization are you? The computer system crashed, the Sheriff hired someone to fix it. Period. Come on folks, think this through...
January 4, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
You guys sure do a heck of a job of keeping the "lynchmob" stereotype going in the South.
January 4, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
He HIRED CULT MEMBERS.....Hey KOOOOOOLAID!
January 4, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
FACTS FACTS FACTS HOLD ON WIPIN MY MOUTH FACTS FACTS FACTS!!LOL
January 4, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
Keep wiping Chris you'll eventually get it off...talk about kool aid...wow! Your rants sound rather cultish to me. Its easy to toss around labels and accusations without any facts behind you except what you have contrived in your mind. Your way of silencing any opposition to your position is to throw around labels. Not sure what your political persuasions are but those tactics are the hallmarks of liberal argument. Cant make logical, coherent argument based on the truth so throw up a lot of "smoke" with inflamatory labels so as to not let any facts get in the way of your agenda.
January 4, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
Hey Geechie. I do web programming for a living. I took a look at that site you pointed out and was wondering where the rest of it was...
"When you launch your site with us you can be assured that it will portray the presence you want for your company and meet your customers and clients needs.""
Their own site is one page, no menu, no real background, no real information, no contact information at all. There is one link to what appears to be a completely different company. It says they have clients from coast to coast...I have clients from England to Australia...I wouldn't contract any of my work to him. If he can't do a better job than that for himself why would I hire him to embarrass me? If this schmuck got paid $65,000 to work for the sheriffs department someone got totally screwed.
January 4, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
Oh wait...whatever was done isn't compatible with the rest of the counties computer systems....sounds like this is probably the guy...wonder how much it's going to cost to fix that mess?
And I know who got screwed....all you Dorchester county folks go look in the mirror...that's part of the people who got screwed...all of you local IT folks who would have done the job right go look in the mirror too...$65,000 worth of work shipped out of state and done badly...I'm sure there are more than a few of us locals who are competent and would have liked that work. I've got over 20 years of programming behind me, database, application programming, networking, web...windows and Linux, oracle, sql server, mysql...too many programming languages to list. They had to go out of state...my foot!
January 4, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Allwoman You are Correct.
Mosinfan, Does Paul Castle Do the Military training for the Gothard cult? Or Better Yet Who is in Charge of The State Guard Training in This Area?Lt. Col Barney Barnes or Capt. ray Nash?...Do You suppose they would be following the Pattern Of The way Cult training at National Guard facilities During the 70,80's and 90's..(ALERT)..
Ask Ray Nash again if he is not a part of the Gothard CULT?
The Romanian Delegation of Police Chiefs arrived Nov 3,2007 at The Institute of Basic Life Principles Headquarters and Shared The gospel with Mr Bill Gothard(do You Need a Photo as Proof?)..The Delegation Flew Back to Romania on Nov 11,2007 From Charlotte NC...Is Bill Gothard a Cult? Is The Way International a Cult?
January 4, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Dragonslayer (anonymous) says...
The so-called computer "crash" referenced by Nash never occurred. This was the time that SLED mandated software for all police and sheriff departments to be compatible with SLED's for reporting purposes. At that time, the Sheriff's department (Nash) was using a commercial program called OmniForm to produce incident reports. While this worked, it was too cumbersome for SLED. He was under pressure to come into compliance. He hired Bo Reahard to 'build' him a program. While I have no documentation to verify this, I am informed that this cost the taxpayers of Dorchester County well over $50,000. Oh, by they way, this program operates off of an Access 97 front end....they don't even make Access 97 anymore.
It's funny. the complete, turn-key operation for a compatible system cost St. George Police Department only $15,000. They virtually have no maintenance on this system, and do not pay someone like Mr. Reahard exorbitant amounts of cash to keep it "fixed"
As to the comment that no one could fix the system....tase the Sheriff. I could fix it blindfolded.
I hope all of this is eventually revealed so everyone can finally understand that we, as citizens of Dorchester County, are not and have not been getting what we paid for.
January 4, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Your Picture Could be obtained at APO 211's Xanga site-weblog-Romanian police delegation...Facts
January 4, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
My Correction it is http://weblog.xanga.com/apo211/628508...
January 4, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mosinfan (anonymous) says...
Allwoman, Chris told us a few days ago that he was fired by the Dorchester County Sheriffs Dept. Are you suggesting that makes him an expert on the Sheriff???
January 4, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
Access? I wouldn't even run a police department on the latest Access, much less 97. Why wouldn't they be using a server based db rather than a file based system? MySql enterprise is only $500/year. For $65,000 I could have built the system and included MS Sql Server with quite a few years license. They could have had Oracle...$65,000 for an Access 97 system?
For those folks who say he isn't part of the gob system...apparently he is...his religous gob system. These people all seem to have religious ties to the sheriff and seem to be largely incompetent. Googling Bo Reahard comes up with numerous religious links and little hands on IT experience. His experience seems to be mostly management and sales.
January 4, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
walleyedwoman1215 (anonymous) says...
John Q! John Q! John Q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am slumped over my chair LMAO. You need to start writing for Letterman or Leno!!!!!!!!
January 4, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
Well, he's from Romania Geechie...give the guy a break on the difference between an alligator and a crocodile. I saw that too, but it's a tad nit-picky to point it out.
Picking out silly things like that detracts from the fact that the sheriffs office is pretty much so wrapped up in the sheriffs religious beliefs that it's led to wasted and misused funds, criminal behaviour and incompetence.
January 4, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Didn't Ray Nash state this trip was not related to Bill Gothard and His police dynamics?...I'll Check
January 4, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
Didn't see that he said that Chris. They were very obviously Gothard disciples though, as is Ray Nash. His IT "expert" is as well. His character training is based on Gothards principles too. Nash is religion first, work second. Of course, a lot of South Carolinians think that's how government should be done.
January 4, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
walleyedwoman1215 (anonymous) says...
Franklin Smith used to be involved in The Way. I was sitting three rows back from the pulpit when he asked the congregation, corporately and individually, to forgive and welcome him back into the fold. His son Yeadon worked the front desk at DCSO one summer in between missions. Nash sold his Givhans property and moved to Wescott Plantation about 18 months ago. His wife is a sweetheart. He likes a cold beer on a hot day. He used to own a daschund but gave it away because it bit one of the kids. Don Shackleford beat hell out of his ex-wife in their front yard 10 years ago. Nash, who was sheriff at the time, went to family court with him. That's all I know and I'm stickin' to it!
Ray-Ray, want to comment?
January 4, 2008 at 7 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tsntaylor (anonymous) says...
HARPO - Perhaps if you were to read the article more clearly you would see the "relative" was not a relative of Ray Nash but related to a trusted employee the Administrator who suggested his relative after others had tried to rectify the situation with the computers! Don't we expect our officials to use people they trust? Your comments are based on ignorance!
SouthernCum4t - perhaps if you were to read the article more clearly you would see that SLED is involved and the case is under investigation and an indictment of Pastor will follow. Nash cannot possibly supervise every moment of every employee and there are bad apples in every barrel, but to imply that Nash is bad simply because of the actions of another is lunacy. Really people can we dialogue at greater than a 9th grade education level here?
Its plain to see this article is politically biased designed to paint Nash in the worst way. The insinuations and wording border on yellow journalism and the reporter should be ashamed!
Major Johnson - as much as you may want you cannot separate a man from his faith. That is who he is at the core. And people who take voting for someone seriously want to vote for someone they believe will represent them the most. Ray is popular because he speaks plainly and I take comfort that he is guided by his faith. The fact that he is a religious man does not negate his exemplary performance as Sheriff and as far as I know Dorchester County's crime rate as low as it is reflect his high standards and strong ability to lead the county law enforcement personnel.
Are all the postings here basically disgruntled former employees or relatives of the other candidate? hmmm...
January 4, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bkc6 (anonymous) says...
Att: Ray Nash - according to a close friend of mine and an employee of yours, you read these comments on your computer. Why have you not responded to any of them? I guess you are to busy doing WHATEVER. Both of us are looking forward to election day.
January 4, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
is anyone really surprised at any of this? this is a long time coming. my guess is that he is more guilty then some of the inmates he houses. i wonder what they will charge him for a processing fee so he has the privledge of a canteen. maybe he'll be able to figure out an escape route though bible study. anything on that inmate that escaped?
January 4, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
just read on further to see that the inmates girlfriend was arrested in helping him escape. was he apprehended?
January 4, 2008 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
buttercup (anonymous) says...
tsntaylor I agree with you when you said, Are all the postings here basically disgruntled former employees or relatives of the other candidate? hmmm... I could not have said it better.
January 4, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
i am neither a disgruntled employee or relative of anyone involved. but you can't argue report after report. he never thought he would get caught because he thinks he is above the law. it was only a matter of time before things would catch up with him. as far as him charging a processing fee....i remember some people saying they deserve it because they are criminals, i recall some saying they were innocent until proven guilty so they should not be charged. nash never took that into consideration, that they still had to stand trial and were not found guilty yet. he just wanted their $. wonder how he feels about that now... how is he going to feel if he is investigated and arrested. Karma...so sweet.
January 4, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Be_Real (anonymous) says...
Have anyone look into the relationship between Lt. Everett who is employed by DCDC, Rev. Shackelford and Sheriff Ray Nash. Lt. Everett Has been ordained as a Pastor under the leadership of Rev. Shakelford at Flower Town Baptist Church in Summerville. Rev. Shakelford operates a half way house program for inmates that are recruited from the jail by Lt. Everett. He often gives them a ride from the jail to the half way house using the county car and helps him self to the drug kits that are for the jail use to randomly test the boarders at the half way house. I wonder what else is he supplying to the half way house at the jail expense after all he is the ordering and purchasing Lt. for the jail. The half way house is ran like a cult the inmates must find a job upon getting their paycheck is given to Pastor Shakelford for room and board. The inmate at no self time and no control of their monies. Monies are allowanced out as Rev. Shackfelford deems necessary. They are to attend every church service if they are having programs Monday thru Sunday they must be there leaving no self time are allowing them to choose their place of worship . I wonder do they make them pay a tenth of their income to the church. The bottom line is officer inmate relationship here we have a Lt Everett/ Pastor that recruits inmates for Rev. Shakelford halfway house and church who just happen to manage Nash's election campaign in 1996. He's getting $1,500 a month as the jail chaplain and I wonder how much money from the inmates' recruited by Lt Everett/Pastor and how much money does Lt Everett/Pastor make from the church. After all Sheriff Ray Nash stated a worker is worthy of his wages.' The audit should include the halfway house being it is so closely tied to the jail. Can Lt Everett/ Pastor be fair and impartial when inmates that were once part of the half way house return to jail this is truly a conflict of interest.
January 4, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
JohnQ
DON'T TASE ME BRO'
All of our local governments are governed by the good ole boy network. I used to think differently but seeing is believing. From the school board to your local sherrifs dept (no matter the county) all live by the golden rule, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. I just said the heck with it and started playing their game too. If you can't beat them join them!
January 4, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
it gets deeper and deeper...better and better!!!! i can't wait to see this blow up in their faces!!!! hope they get every single one of them involved!!!! i wonder if they will improve prison conditions by then or if they will be housed in the holiday inn?
January 4, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RHamilton (anonymous) says...
I am sure that Sheriff Nash was a fine police chief in Summerville and has done some great things for Dorchester County but he admits no wrong doing in this matter he is the leader the Captain of his ship so-to-speak. Oddly, this whole thing does not pass the smell test. It genuinely does not smell right. Maybe he really thinks it is okay to have a relative(s) or close friend(s) handle these things. If that is the case future leadership of Dorchester will be based on this premise business as usual. Many other counties in the United States would probably call for a re-election, resignation or impeachment of his office. The citizens/taxpayers do deserve proper accounting hopefully the Sheriff will take command of his situation before he gets in too deep.
It seems extremely odd that this particular hired-help was all he/they could find to do the job. Perhaps that would seem like a valid statement in Hampton or Allendale Counties, but Dorchester County??
I believe that several of the postings are meritorious but to assume that the Sheriff is not responsible for what his staff is doing/or has done is flawed. Further that the readers and commenter's of the article for this Charleston (and surrounding area) newspaper are only the disgruntled employees of the Sheriff's Department or relatives of people running for office (in Dorchester County) seem grandiose.
Good luck Dorchester County.
R Hamilton
City of Charleston
January 4, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
upcountry (anonymous) says...
Being religious and being a christian is not the same.
January 4, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
k5 (anonymous) says...
The Computer tech was not Nash's brother-in-law, he's Nash's Administrator's brother-in-law. Nash is being crucified for the same thing that most of you all do every day! Read the article thoroughly before judgement!
January 4, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
majorjohnson (anonymous) says...
I have no connection to Dorchester county or the sheriffs department whatsoever. As far as I know, I don't even know anyone who lives in Dorchester county. From what I've seen the county got about as screwed as it's possible to get screwed contracting this fellow traveler of Nash's for computer services. From what I've seen Sheriff Nash is far more concerned with padding his religious good old boys pockets than running the sheriff department. This is the sheriff who wanted to fire any officer who lived out of wedlock...he wanted to fire anyone with a pierced ear for pete's sake...Frankly, I wouldn't give a thimble of warm spit for what religion he is. I do know that if he was Wiccan and doing the same thing the Christians out there who are defending him and his morals right now would be ready to burn him and his buddies at the stake. Hell, if he was Wiccan or Hindu he could do the job well and still be burned at the stake by you religious zealots who really seem to only be concerned with Nash's faith, not his competence. Religious zealots are every bit as scarey as socialists, and every bit as damaging to the county, the state, and the country.
January 4, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...
One of the former employees at the Detention Center had a record of passing bad checks. He was a member of the Congregation at the same church at Nash, and help was given him to expunge the check charges so that he could gain employment at DCDC Annex. Being 6 foot 7 inches tall, he seemed formidable enough, and maybe Nash thought he was doing a good thing in helping him. The same employee was fired for taking his wife to the emergency room and "adjusting" the dosage on a prescription for Lortab 5 mg. to penciling in a 7. to make them 50% stronger. I wonder if that is the only time that Nash hasn't been such a good judge of character?
January 4, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
not to defend or offend anyone but it made sense to me what Nash did
look around, there's a serious shortage of good IT people around this area... that's why several agencies and private org's use out of the country Indians and the likes
if the people in his list of contacts couldn't fix it and some family member that was an expert computer guru could I'd go for it too
I don't care if he's family, I care that he can fix it and fix it soon
same goes for the Chaplain, he was already in place and the people he was helping had already built a trust/relationship with him... go for it
I live in Dorch Co, it's my tax dollars well spent IMHO
kudo's Sheriff for having the testosteronal fortitude to move forward and "git er done" regardless of what critics may say
and about the people that may work for you that end up being not of the best character, too bad so sad for them... there's a crook in every corner in any job where there's more than a few people
it isn't the bosses fault his people turned out on the wrong side, you go with what you have for information until proven otherwise
there's no crystal ball you can rub to let you know ahead of time who's the guy/gal that's always had an excellent reputation but will ultimately end up being a crook down the road due to a really bad decision on their part
we all make mistakes, some just cost more
January 4, 2008 at 11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
obtuseyankee (anonymous) says...
About the bid system: You get what you pay for.
About nepotism: Would you trust your brother or a stranger?
About appearances of impropriety: Want it to look good or work good?
About Sherrif Nash: No one has committed a crime against me. He'll be my sheriff untill someone does. Me thinks that the good ol bubba system that is trying to become the "New Sheriff has people using this stuff to detract from Sheriff Nash's fine performance. He is in a performance business and I don't hear anyone complaining about that. Nash is progressive. The other guy is regressive, just ask the residents of Dorchester County who were around when the department was a family business not too many years ago.
January 5, 2008 at 12:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
In His 182 times he invoiced the DCSO did we pay his travel expenses?
Yes ,and I admit I am a disgruntled employye BUT FACTS ARE FACTS LOL
January 5, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
"There is No Contradiction at all in my roles as police officer and as a christian' He Said.As a Public servant, it is my duty to provide law and order 5/20/96 P&C By Bobbie Young
I Spend a lot of of time in the community.I stay out on the road,cruising the county.There's something I've discovered...very little crime is actually committed in the sheriffs office",he said 3/14/05 by P&C Staff
Didn't the sheriffs office have a TB scare a while back? So Maybe.........More Incompetence LOL
January 5, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Connelley asked Sanfors to appoint Brenda Nix,who has been in the Dorchester County Auditors Office for 30 years..Dorchester County Republican Party Chairman Arthur Bryngelson Protested.10/25/07 by Dave Munday
Dorchester County Council on Monday Night approved giving the Sheriffs Office an additional $120,000 to cover Overtime pay for Deputies and other expenses through the end of June...It was the 3rd year in a row council has covered a shortfall in the sheriffs office budget.The Office Needs $351,950 to pay operating expenses through June 30,the end of the fiscal year.Overtime for Deputies and Detention officers represents $176,500 of theshortfall.The Rest is Fuel,Medical Costs and a victims advocate position....The Money will come from the General Fund Council Approved 4/20/04 By Steeve Reeves P&C
Sounds Like This Audit was Not a Witch Hunt ?
January 5, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The Sheriff's office would get more money for gasoline and 20 new crown victorias to replace aging vehicles.The Detention center would get a new security system.6/28/04 P&C By Dave Munday
Several Dorchester County Elected Officials,saying they should be free to serve the people who elected them as they see fit,said they want the county administrator to stop micromanaging their purchases.A Group of Them,including Coroner and Sheriff Nash,made their case before County Councils Government affairs committe Jan.10...They said they should be able to charge a hotel bill or a flight to a credit card,or order supplies off the internet,without getting approval from administrator Jason Ward..Council Sets budgets,but under the Home Rule Act,has no authority to control spending of elected officials,so officials need to be free to manage their departments as they see fit,they argued..."it's Really a Constitutional Issue,"Nash said. 1/27/05 P&C By Dave Munday
January 5, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
The SC State Guard swore in 10 new Recruits in Dorchester County last week including Sheriff Ray Nash and Chief Deputy John Barnes...That Means Barnes is now Lt Col. in the State Gurad.Nash,his Boss in Civilian life,was sworn in as Captain.He will be the Batallions training Officer.8/4/02 P&C By Terry Joyce
Christian Exodus Cult? The way Internation Cult? The Gothard Cult? Military training?
January 5, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
waterbug (anonymous) says...
Hey GOOSE this is the same way it's done in the north, except they might, oh never mind.
January 5, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
Chris you need to take your meds and get over being fired...
Ray Nash has done an excellent job for the citizens living in Dorchester County IMHO, my neighborhood is virtually crime free and has pretty much been that way for the ten years I've been here... as well as the neighborhood I was in for 5 before this one, in DorchCo
of course you'll have a domestic here and there anywhere but knock on wood there's been no car thefts, no home invasions, women walk/run this area before and after dark with no fear and I can keep going on and on
I could care less if he hired qualified family members, and he didn't in this case, as long as they are qualified to do their jobs and do them professionally
and I could care less about your dribbling whiny complaints that make you look like a bratty pre-teen that someone stole his girlfriend and is trying to get back at him
Military training is a great thing as long as they realize they are a civilian agency and from the civies for the civies to include protecting us from the actual military in case of need... as one of the reasons police forces were originally intended to do
I train as often as I can as well, getting ready to go to a few day Israeli special ops training camp just because I believe in being prepared for anything in this ever changing world
he can go get all his training to teach his employees and to protect us he wants at my expense as well... steaks on me RNash, have at it
on the flip side, if my neighborhood starts resembling N.Chuck I'll be looking for a new sheriff as would anyone
but it really looks to me like he's doing the job he was elected to do... I could care less what any politician thinks of him or his process's as long as they work
January 5, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
chrispia, I had 1st hand experience with DCSD. do you know who i am? my son james ( lieber ) and Gibb?
January 5, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
This is a Sheriff that is affiliating Himself with these cultish People...One Group that wants to secede from the USA During a wartime Effort in Iraq and Afghanistan....Is He Funding this Cult With Taxpayer Monies? Isn't Authority without Question a Little Communistic?
I could Care Less if He put his brother in law,cousin ,Niece ,Aunt etc etc in a Position......Your Comment about Protecting Us from the actual military makes my point!!!!!!!!!!
January 5, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
SOUNDS LIKE TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOMELAND SECURITY NOTIFIED
January 5, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
How many Complaints did Sheriff Nash have against him in Irmo Pd or Summerville PD? And What were they for?
January 5, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
And By the Way I have Never met Mr Knight but Have heard alot of Good Things about Him and His Character from his friends....He Is a Lifelong Member of his Church and Has never had a complaint filed against him in his law enforcement career.If This is true(I have not researched this yet)than why Bash Him? Is that the religion that you are taught?..............And I have been called every name in the Book as a Retired NYC Police Officer.....Make you look good!
January 5, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
retired from NYPD ?? ahh now I understand why you talk so loud and often...
I'll have to research all that cult stuff you're typing before the next election
January 5, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dianed43 (anonymous) says...
OK NYPD or dorchester county....doesn't even compare!!! chrispia, congrats of having the guts to come forward and expose this. more need to be like you!
January 5, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bkc6 (anonymous) says...
To all you Brown nosing Nash lovers - Kissing his a**. I hope L C Knight becomes sheriff and hires ChrisPia. At least he has a backbone and is willing to stand behind what he says. I've been in Dorchester County for 50 years and if you are not born and raised here don't waste your time commenting to me. To ChrisPia - you stay on their ass and don't back down. I'm behind you 110%. I have alot of friends and we all feel the same way about Nash. Like you, I have never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Knight but he will get mine, my wifes', and many other votes.
January 5, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
bkc6 I don't know either one of them, Nash or Knight so there's no brown nosing here... just objectionable because I don't know either
all I hear is some say Knight and nepotism are synonymous and Nash is gone all the time
what I see is DorchCo seems to be pretty safe to me and others around me
as far as how long you've been here in DorchCo, my families been here longer than most by a several hundred yrs... they came in at Dorch state park on DorchRd back when that became a trading station for the Indians by boat/ship and we actually have family grave sites right there
I hear both sides of all kinds of stories like a lot of us have for years, I don't really know what's truth and what isn't... there's your side, mine and the truth as they say
all I can do is go by the results I see in the area and all of my neighbors are pretty happy with the security of the area no?
but that doesn't mean give 'em free rein either so keep pokin around Chris
January 5, 2008 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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