2nd teen charged in death

jrobinson (anonymous) says...

Wow!!!! Early, you may just get your wish. I left the area in 1995, and it was bad then, but in the 2 years that I have been back, I have been totally amazed with the level of violence in the low country. People walking around in the daylight with loaded weapons, and threatning family members of a murder victim. It sounds like we're living on the south side of Chicago. I don't want my kids to catch one of those stray bullets. I am statring to understand why people are so frustrated.

February 13, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

chasyank45 (anonymous) says...

.......and the ignorant behavior continues. the regression of a society back to it's uncivilized beginning. the victim brought a gun and the suspect brought a gun. the relatives show up at the victims house with another loaded gun. One of the relatives has a rap sheet 3 pages long. once again it was another altercation between two good boys, outstanding citizens..under 21 nad carry guns. I guess the kids learned it from the adults in their family.

February 13, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

USC_Alumni (anonymous) says...

That's North Charleston

February 13, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

anon (anonymous) says...

"retaliatory violence" Just call it what it is - gang warfare.

February 13, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Oh, I am sure they were told that they were special. Their disrespectful speech and behavior was tolerated from an early age. The parents did nothing. The neighborhood did nothing. The local churches did nothing. The schools did nothing. This will get worse.

February 13, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

stanish (anonymous) says...

First and foremost I would like to extend my deepest condolences to Trammel Mcfadden family. It is senseless and beyond words these violent, selfish, brutality acts of violence persists. I feel that the parents of thes 14 yrs. old SCUM needs to be CHARGED and held ACCOUNTABLE for this despicable murder. The mother and father both share in this crime. Albeit the Father is probably not involved in their lives at all, that is if they even know who their Father's are. When I was growing up as a teenager, we could have disputes or even fights and would still be BEST friends the next day. Sorry, I CAN NOT accept their ONLY 14. At 14 they KNOW if they tamper with electricity, they will be ELECTROCUTED! They KNOW at 14 if they jump into speeding traffic, they will be hit and KILLED! At 14, they KNEW full well that if you shoot someone, that person would be seriously injured, or worst KILLED! i HOPE THE MOTHER'S ARE REAL PROUD, because the the USELESS FATHER'S ARE NO WAY TO BE FOUND!

February 13, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

burton (anonymous) says...

Life is about choices and consequences. These young men have made their choice and now have to suffer the consequences of their actions. We can't save everyone and I want to concentrate more on the majority of our kids that are doing the right thing.

Since working in the community, I've learned that education is the key. I guarantee you that one or all of these young men dropped out of school at some point. What happens when they drop out of school? This is an example. Folks, why are you surprised that two 14 year olds are being charged with murder? I'm not. Again, lets save the kids that want to be saved.

February 13, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PoisenIvy (anonymous) says...

'when will it stop? when all your young are dead?'
Not as long as they keep breeding like rabbits.
After all another young'un to them is like winning the lottery, more food stamps and another trip to the hair & nail salon for mama.
After all, she has to look good for 'Daddy' number...???

February 13, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

flinsc (anonymous) says...

What is the New Webster's Dictionary definition of confusion? Father's Day in North Charleston.

February 13, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ln1959 (anonymous) says...

scnavtive4ever, you and I usually bump head on these topic's, but today, I have to agree with everything your saying. If you bring a gun to a fight, your may just be the victim. I am sure there pants were below there butt. Never understood how your gonna do a crime and can't run.
PoisenIvy, I see that you have not been staying up with politics's, because if you were, you would know about the law that President Clinton signed, where you had two years to get training and then you had to get a job. It didn't matter if you had anymore children, your food stamp was cut to the point that you had to work. There may be many drug dealer's out there, but not as much people on food stamp as you think.

February 13, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...

This story is bound to become the most interesting so far...they even had to tase the father???? At least he was available! I am amazed at the details of this story...everybody is packin' heat...I'd be willing to be the children that will be born to "replace" these that are lost to street violence will be doing the same things in 15 years. I am disgusted, and that is an area I will NEVER drive through. I'm disgusted..that gold crap in that kids mouth is enough for me. I usually don't think that parents should be charged for their children's actions, except for in extreme circumstances, but I believe that everything that I've read points to those extremes. It's all just too much to comprehend.

February 13, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

I have said for years that fathers should be held criminally liable when their juvenile sons commit violent crimes. I don't care if the father is no longer in contact with the child. That's their fault!! The fathers of the Wando kids should get 30 days in prison (for being the father of an armed robber) and these fathers should spend a year in prison (for being the father of a murderer). Call me crazy, but I'm tired of men who just want sex, and if a baby results, they're out the door, and the mother and the baby are left on her own. I blame the fathers in these instances, not the single mothers.

February 13, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

BTW, absentee fathers and fathers who "live there" and refuse to raise their kids are all the same. And this is the result.

February 13, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

brickcat (anonymous) says...

To echo stanish, first and foremost, my sincerest sympathy to the McFadden family; no words or actions could ever provide them the comfort they need at this time. I also extend my sympathy to the families of the alleged perpetrators as well--they, too, are suffering. When you think of all the lives affected by what occured Sunday evening, it's chilling. And please don't judge too quickly--unless you knew Trammel you don't know what kind of person he was, regardless of his appearance. He was a son, a brother, a grandson, a nephew, a friend to many. To say he looks like a gangster based on a photo in the paper demonstrates so much ignorance. And regardless of his appearance, did he really deserve to die in such a senseless manner? Is he "less than" because he doesn't fit YOUR image of an upstanding citizen? No one deserves that fate--and no family deserves the pain and anguish that is involved. Try some compassion rather than judgement.

February 13, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...

I may have jumped the gun on that one. It doesn't say, that I've read, that the 54-year-old Gethers is the father...I was just assuming... Greyrider, I agree completely...think of one thing, though...some of these "mothers" have, quite frankly, no idea whatsoever who the father is...if there are 6 candidates, who pays the bill for the testing necessary? I envision a bunch of women and men, sitting around with their crack pipes, smoking it up while junior is running around outside with daddy's gun. I want to see the life story for each of THESE kids splashed all over the P & C above how these parents tried everything possible...I'm just dying to know.

February 13, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lasonyasmalls (anonymous) says...

Please come out an support this event, this is a start.

Mt. Zion
African Methodist Episcopal Church

Reverend John Paul Brown, Senior Pastor
5 Glebe Street Charleston, South Carolina 29401

Church Phone: (843) 722 8118 Fax Line: (843) 225 -6404

Pastor's Office: (843) 722 8199

Pastor's Cell (843) 324 1557

To: Our Brothers and Sisters in Christ

From: Mount Zion A.M.E. Church
Date: January 31, 2008

Subject: Step Up and Speak Out: Youth Forum

The recent rash of youth crimes in our communities has thrust youth violence into the national spotlight. While there are no simple solutions to this problem, these facts serve as a clear reminder that we must talk to our children about more than just sex and drugs. We also need to have frank conversations about violence. Youth violence is not only an urban problem, but also an epidemic in small cities and rural areas.

The good news is, no one needs to "reinvent the wheel" when it comes to preventing youth violence. Mount Zion A.M.E. Church is reaching out to youth by hosting a youth forum to talk about the warning signs of violent behavior and what young people can do when they recognize these signs in themselves or in their peers. In order for our efforts to be successful, we need the support of the entire community.

Do your part by taking a few minutes with your child, a young family member or the youth next door to come out, STEP UP AND SPEAK OUT. If even one child learns there are alternatives to violence, you will have made a difference.
ï¶ Date: February 16, 2008
ï¶ Time: 12:00 p.m.

If you would like to assist with this forum in anyway please feel free to contact:

LaSonya Smalls at 764-0055 or Donna Driskell at 553-8700

Sincerely,

Rev. John Paul Brown

February 13, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ktg_2008 (anonymous) says...

i agree that the parents sholud not be responsible for their childrens actions i no the gathers personally and he raised his boys to be respectful young men and he has always been in there lifes from day one as i also no mcfadden personally who has always live with his grandparents never live with his parents..maybe dont even no his dad..these are children who grew up together...in the same neighbor i think it was not suppose to turn out that way to me it sounds like the police department dont have any solid evdeince that the 14-year olds was the trigger man word of mouth doesent mean a thing cause peolple have lots of hate in the world towards one another someone can dislike you and say you killed someone.... and another thing they stated that gathers got pistiol wipped and shoot in the left leg that sholud be an eye opener that there was more shooting than being report why would gathers brother shot him (get it together) if the victim was found with a gun holster ..where is the gun i think the police is not ivestgating the situation like they are suppose to not talking to the right people and getting the test done that should have been done from day one done ...you cant just question the victm family..actually gathers is a victim also if he was pistiol, and shot..this is serious situation somone life is gone another life could have been taking (gathers) when he was pistiol whipped..and they maybe are aBOUT TO CHARGE TO INNCOENT TEENS FOR A CRIME THAT THEY COULD may NOT HAVE DONE....they need to take a good look into why was he wereing a holster , where is the gun could he have been the one to shot for self and was gathers brother trying to save his brother life why he was getting pistil whip...thats all i have to say they need to take it this situation carefully

February 13, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )

SomeTruthPlease (anonymous) says...

Rev. Brown...I applaud you. I learned from an early age that the Methodist Church is without a doubt the most involved in the health and well-being of the family. With the falling away from the church that we are seeing, children not attending church even intermittently with their families, I think that it is one of the biggest contributors to the decay that we are seeing in these younger ages. One parent households are a major contributor, and I believe many times, by the time Sunday comes around, Mom is just too tired from the events of the past week to get the kids dressed to go anywhere, and if that's if the children are even able to be found. After all, Sunday morning follows Saturday night, which is a big night for many of these kids. I agree that it does take a village to raise a child, but in many cases, if you try to help someone else's child, you are at risk of offending a mother that denies that there is anything wrong. I know that I have put in "my two cents" to women that I thought needed the help, only to be told to mind my business. I've raised three boys, and it has NOT been easy. "Easy" is no longer a part of my vocabulary as far as child-rearing is concerned, but I know that I've spent many nights going door-to-door to locate one of my boys, and all too often, I don't see a lot of mothers doing the same. If it takes three pots of coffee, I stay awake until I know my boys are home and in bed. I finally put in a phone that I can log into from my computer that details all incoming/outgoing calls, so I have a point of reference if one of the boys is not home, and has not informed me of where he's going. I am very careful how I let them dress, as I think a wardrobe is a good indicator of the nature of the child. What I see today makes me downright sick, and I blame the parents for that. I'm tired of seeing boys underwear...I can't understand how a child from poverty wears $150.00 pants that don't even come close to fitting. We don't have that kind of money, and I doubt that a lot of other parents do either, or have the desire to pay for it. I hope that if you are able to save one child, you've done a good job...but at this point, the attitudes of the kids, the apathy of many of the parents, I would feel like a hamster on a wheel, going absolutely nowhere in regard to remedying the situation, in any case.

February 13, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

Kudos to Rev Brown for stepping up.

February 13, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Rev. Brown, wonderful. I do not believe in the textual integrity of the ktg_2008 comments.

February 13, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

uniequnough (anonymous) says...

ktg_2008 and In1959, are both probably part of the system and probably are on food stamps themselves. Their grammar is awful.
But in reference to this story. It is sad. I agree, the parents need to be investigated as well.

February 13, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

OBVIOUSLY, ktg you need to take a look at the facts with what the police have already established and realize that the investigation is not over. If you know so much about the incident maybe YOU need to contact police with what you "know".

February 13, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

halfsheli (anonymous) says...

I taught Trammel at NCHS about four years ago. He was a lovely young man, and a delight to teach. I am so sorry for the loss to those who loved him.

February 13, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

Did ktg say the kids lived with a grandparent-never with the parents? Well, there's a large part of the problem. But, you can bet your bottom dollar that there was plenty of more trouble before this came about.
brick- basically if you look like a thug, dress like a thug, hang around with other thugs, involve yourself in "thuggish" behavior, you're going to be perceived as a thug. In other words if it looks like a duck.....
Words of wisdom from my mother, "you're judged by the company you keep".
I can pretty much promise that these two 14 yr olds weren't church going, school going, good students before this incident. There was probably plenty of warnings that they were heading down a wrong path.
If ktg has information about this, they have an OBLIGATION to the community to come forward and tell what they know. If not, we don't really care to hear what "really good boys" they were, that they don't know what happened. We've heard plenty of that already this year.

February 13, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...

Nice "grill"

February 13, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lilpenny0 (anonymous) says...

There does seem to be a lot more to this story than what we've read so far. I think we will see more of this unfold as the week passes. I won't jump to conclusion just yet on this one.

forget- I don't agree that you should be judged by the company you keep. Judging someone without knowing them is the wrong thing to do from the start. Although it IS true that people will do that, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Everyone has friends and enemies. Your friends will view you in one light, while your enemies another. So, he may have been a pleasant to be around some times, but a menace at other times. Since most of us didn't know him, we can't judge him from this article alone.

If he came out there with a gun to do harm to someone else, then he may have just gotten what he deserved. "Live by the gun, Die by the gun". But as I said before, we don't know the whole story yet.

I'd like to see what they've uncovered on this story come tomorrow or Friday.

February 13, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

where's Doug been?

February 13, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

The term of "being judged by the company you keep" is one I used to even hear my grandmother say. And I didn't say you SHOULD be judged by the company you keep. It means that you probably will. If you keep company with criminals, when the gavel hits the bench, there's a good chance you'll go down, too. If you don't want to be looked at in that light, disassociate yourself with those people.
What we are "judging" is the fact that 14 yr. olds had guns. They werent planning on playing baseball that day, if that was the case they would have had a ball and bat. The intended to "play" with the guns. Like it or not, we are judged by people everyday. Fact of life.

February 13, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

forget-

I think he's been out playing with his rifles. Probably trying to catch dinner or something for his Valentine :)

February 13, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

I just noticed there's been alot of subjects that are near and dear to his heart have been discussed this week, and no Doug...

February 13, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ln1959 (anonymous) says...

uniegunough..first of all damn ass..Its LN1959 nor IN...clear you alphabets up before you comment on someone else. Second, I am not in the system, make way to much money for that. Don't think and Software developer could be in the system, put I do have my degree, but thats really none of your damn business.

February 13, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

halfsheli (anonymous) says...

When I knew Trammel, he was a sweet boy of 15 or 16. He was VERY well mannered with a mild temperment. He struggled as a student, but was persistent and good-natured about his failures and his successes. What I want to know is this: What exactly is the draw of the streets, the thug life? How can that life entice a teenage boy who seems to be on the right track? I do not think the lack of parental involvement is an excuse here. His grandmother was loving and involved (at least when I knew him). Trammel was just a kid who came to me to help him find a job. Fast forward four years and he's shot dead in a parking lot and apparently had been armed.

This is so discouraging to those who spend their time and emotion to help these kids.

And by the way -- I think that it's all very well and good for those of you to simply judge the people involved and then retreat into your glass houses.

February 13, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

A few months ago I was in Walmart and there was a about an early 20 something African American man with about a 2 yr old little boy in front of me in line. I said to him " what a handsome young man that is" and he said to me (get this) "yeah, he's gonna be da real gangsta". Really. So, I guess that's what he's going to get with his father in his life. At least he'll have some direction. I didn't know what to say to that. All I could come up with was "oh, really".

February 13, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

forget, are you serious? "da real gangsta"? I can't believe that...

February 13, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

cross my heart....
didn't quite know what my response should be.

February 13, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

I don't understand what would possess a father, let alone any parent, to bring up their child in the "gangsta" lifestyle. Is it appealing? My little brother who is about 19 or 20 (no, I am not positive how old he is), is attracted to the lifestyle; wears the saggy britches, over-size shirts, mispronounces his sentences/words (knowingly), listens to gansta rap, steals, etc, I could go on and on and on...He lives this lifestyle and is going nowhere in life. My biggest fear is that he is going to produce a child.

February 13, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

Producing children is all part of the lifestyle. It is a measure of their manhood. The idea IS to have the children by a few different women. It's a sign of masculinity. I, myself, would think a sign of masculinity would be providing for a FAMILY. But, things have changed over the years.
If you ask a dozen 12 yr old boys what they want to be when they grow up, about 7 would say a rapper. shameful.

February 13, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

Not to mention the fact that the slain's family had to involve police because they felt threatened by the perp's family, including an adult. GHETTO. The family sure isn't helping, we see where he got it from; obviously.

February 13, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

beemz (anonymous) says...

what a disgrace a young man is dead and the living is still playing gangsters in all of this mess.
what is wrong with people of today?
somebody has got to get some brains or the others will be loss as well.
beemz

February 13, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

Did the perp's family really think that the "no snitch" policy would apply there? And a 54 yr old man caused himself to be tased. A roll model for the younger generation there.

February 13, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

burton (anonymous) says...

halfsheli, we won't be able to save them all. I used to run a mentoring group years ago. We had about 15 kids that we would meet with every Fri night. We would do all the things that most mentoring groups today do, e.g., homework, field trips, conflict resolution, etc. Well, one of the kids would later get murdered downtown--believe it was over a drug sale--and his murder is still unsolved as I write this (been at least 4-5 years now).

So you see, he was taught right from wrong and given tools to help him out when it came to peer pressure but he still succumbed. I hate to keep saying this but life is about choices and consequences. We tend to concentrate on the kids that are doing bad so much that we forget about the kids that are doing right.

February 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pratt07 (anonymous) says...

Allwoman-

Hello today :) I understand your point of view in what you are saying. The people who do not look at you as an individual, but as just part of the "black community", as some call it (I'm assuming you are of African American descent?) can be considered as pathetic themselves. I don't know what it is like to be in that position, but I can empathize and honestly tell you that I agree with every word that you say. You should NOT be put under the same blanket, doing so would be discrimination, in my eyes. From reading your posts and seeing your logic on different issues, it seems as though you are a very educated woman, not to mention humorous. Rise above it. The people who refuse to see you for who you are are not worth the stress nor the sick feeling.

February 13, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Test2007 (anonymous) says...

Allwoman - There is NO excuse to lump any group of people together regardless of the actions of a few. NO EXCUSE. I would never condone that kind of idiocy. You are making excuses for ignoramuses everywhere when you make a statement like, "They are the reason people lump all blacks togther". NO only ignorant people do that. Get it right.

February 13, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Test2007 (anonymous) says...

Burton - I totally agree. How many comments do we have on articles celebrating the kids who ARE doing well? Not as much as this and previous articles, I can tell you that.

February 13, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

forget (anonymous) says...

My best friend is a 40 yr old black woman. she has 2 young boys (10 and 12). Her ex-husband is living kinda of a watered down thug life. She encourages a minimal amount of interaction between her boys and their father. The kids noticed a difference in the homelife of the 2 homes at an early age. She demands good grades in school, and they are signed up for whatever sport is in season. She does not put up with slang talk in her home and corrects them accordingly. She is a college graduate, and has worked the same job for about 15 years. She says she is their role model, along with the male family members she has. She praises them when they do well, and she punishes them accordingly when they break rules. She is no nonsence, and they know it. She says that if they decide to go the other way when they are older, nobody can look at her and say she didn't do her job.
And as a single mother, I think she's kinda a role model to me also.
I don't look at all black people the same as the one in these news articles. There's good and bad in every race.

February 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

allowoman I can feal your disgust and I too just don't get it. But I don't think people really lump all blacks in with this group of thugs. There are plenty of black families that don't put up with this mess from their children. I think it's socioeconomics and children having children that are at the root cause.
There was a lot more shooting going on at this party than the law knows about too. They should have rounded everyone up at the scene and took them in for questioning. This is truely a bad deal and I'm ready to move!

February 13, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wheels2u666 (anonymous) says...

you want to solve this kind of violent behavior, then get serious, take each one of these people mentioned out of society, they all have or will have rap sheets pages long , they all are violent , have no respect for anything, then just sentence them each to 30 yrs , in jail, no probation, no parole,
of course then when they get out, they can be 56 and stupid like the old man and get tazzed by the po lice...

February 13, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lionelat (anonymous) says...

If a school is indeed a reflection of its community, God bless the students, teachers, and administrators at North Charleston High School who continue to work so diligently against seemingly insurmountable odds.

February 13, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ForPnC (anonymous) says...

No, this doesn't make the whole race look bad. It makes the neighborhood, the parents, and the law system look bad. That's because they are.

Most people don't look at the color of the skin and damn the whole race because of the stupidity of a few. The ones that do are part of the stupid few of their own race.

February 13, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

stop25 (anonymous) says...

iam so sorry to hear another young is gone to soon.what is it going to take?everyone know what is going on but no one wants to do are say anything.they finally turned on each other what a shame.those same boys are the ones who was always causing fights at the movies,skating ring,teen parties,school and anywhere they went they try to start trouble but the young man that got killed wasn't always with them.iam so sorry it had to take taking one of there friends lives for them to stop.

February 13, 2008 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

fdw843 (anonymous) says...

all of you judging these people involved with this are rediculous. ya'll don't know these people therefore why judge Trammel or anyone involved.
and most of all how judge someone just because of their name.
some of ya'll really need to just slap yourselves.

February 13, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

j_sharde (anonymous) says...

This goes to scnative4ever SHUT UP YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM. Thank you, brickcat for posting a comment and using your common sense. Trammel was a very bright young man i dont care what he had in his mouth or what he was wearing. He did not deserve this AT ALL.It is not right for someone to take a life because they do not like them or they have a problem with the family or brother. Now i am trying to keep my feelings to myself about the people who think they can comment negatively about a young man who lost his life because of some stupid 14 year olds and who ever else. They should get exactly what they deserve. I believe anyone who takes a life should have their life taken whether it be jail or death at ANY AGE.

February 13, 2008 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

maddiebandme, your comment, and I paraphrase: "If your kids look like thugs, and act like thugs, chances are, they ARE thugs and you will probably bury them!!!!" could not be more true. That message should be on every billboard in the Tri-County area.

February 13, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wonderdog (anonymous) says...

I find it interesting that Telvin and Trammel went to the store after receiving a telephone call asking them to come to fight. Do they send out invitations now?

I know Pastor Brown, and I admire his taking action. He's a great man and a great preacher.

February 13, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

beemz (anonymous) says...

fdw843:if you continue typing in here to make your point please learn how to spell.
God knows i am not the best speller in here but it has been nagging me when I read your comments and you insist in spelling RIDICULOUS like this REDICULOUS.
Also if you know so much about those involved may I suggest that you go to LEA and tell it all?
Oh my DAMN I forgot about that SNITCHING code of ETHICS you all seem to have when it comes to telling the TRUTH.
beemz

February 13, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jerseylegal (anonymous) says...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, even though I get blasted for being a racist, which I am not. Why do black youths and even black grownups think it is so cool to kill each other? Mind me, that is exactly how they think, that it is so cool to shoot and kill, just like it is so cool to wear their pants and drawers around their ankles and shirts that are three times too large. The blacks are a whole different culture that many of us will never understand, much like muslims or pakistanis or whatever. This country has always been based upon built up upon the beliefs and values of normal God fearing white conservative individuals and their families and their values. We will never mesh with other cultures and their different ways, it is not meant to be, and it never will be.

February 13, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ricbdragonfly (anonymous) says...

if those men came to my home to do that they would have 3 dead jigs with hollow head holes. you had your chance the victims family should of sent the problems leaking on the street eye for a f*****g eye

February 13, 2008 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TeaTime07 (anonymous) says...

First,scnative4ever, "gangsters" do not look one way. Do members of gangs of hispanic decent as do those from an African American background all have grils?Can you see his pants or are you assuming this because of how he was kill and the obvious fact that he's balck? Right, you live by the gun, die by the gun but your pants don't have to fall off and you don't have to wear a grill.It's terrible for you to say things like that when YOU DON'T KNOW! Just like the parents of what some would call "regualr children," cannot tell their children what to do. Much less what to wear.. My mother has always told me that she can tell me and guide me but in the end, EVERYTHING I do is up to me.Next, if his name was Johnny, would it be more respectful? Would it make you feel at ease? One of the reasons that children in society are so angry because of people that say stupid things like you. Are you that small of a person that you have to put everyone around you down to make yourself feel better? I know many people liberty hil and pepperhill that are great people but because of their location and their "name" you talk down about them. I live on the Wayln. I graduated 4th in my class and I carry myself with great respect for myself and those around me! I am a frshman at a very good college, have no children, never been to jail and never shot anyone or sagged my pants. Plenty of people with names that you may consider fine...RESPECT ME,WANT TO BE LIKE ME,AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY WOULD DIE TO BE ME!

February 13, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MAJMike (anonymous) says...

Reading this BLOG is an indictment of the South Carolina educational system. Can any one spell or at a minimum learn to use spell check?
He is some advice
1. Pull your pants up beyond the crack of your ass
2. Realize that gold teeth are not a investment
3. Rims on a POS car does not add value to the POS car
4. Stop laying down when you drive a car
5. Smoking a cigar does not fool anyone as to what is in the cigar
6. Finally, The phrase "know what I am saying" every other sentence makes it very difficult to "know what your saying"
PS Its really just one less thug on the street that my tax dollars would need to support

February 13, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

Forget - What is a "watered down thug life"? Like, selling drugs out of a Volvo station wagon? Carrying a staple gun? Wearing your pin striped trousers really low? Sorry, it just brought funny images to my mind.

There is a segment of the black population in the US that places high value on the status symbols associated with criminal lifestyles. Not all, but a lot. The role models for this segment of the population are the guys that are tough, have some money, dress the part, get street respect, etc. Other role models are musicians (who often portray the same criminal lifestyle, whether true or not) and athletes.

Any avenue to success other than these three (criminal, musician, athlete) is "selling out". I witnessed this in high school in the lowcountry. Watching peers of blacks who got good grades denigrate them mercilessly. Even then, at age 15 or 16, I knew that was really f*cked up!

This is cultural, deeply ingrained. This isn't going away with a few church meetings. Think how hard it is to change a culture, really think about it. You can't legislate culture. A culture has to want to change itself.

February 13, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MAJMike (anonymous) says...

Cid95 Home Run Brother!!! well said bravo bravo

February 13, 2008 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

"so lets ban guns for everyone, even police."

Yes, then let's ban drugs, and robbery, and rape and murder! Why didn't we think of this before! Everything will be perfect once we make the things we don't like illegal. Eureka!

February 13, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MAJMike (anonymous) says...

First of all we don't have a gun control problem we have a drug problem that facilitates the illegal purchase of a guns from some thugs selling it to kids. Secondly, I think most police officers knock and identify themselves first. I really haven't seen any law abiding citizens having there door kicked in but, I digress. If your holding a gun and the police "kick your door down" you deserve to have your ass shot. A revolution? Tanks? Machine Guns? You my friend are stealing oxygen from the rest of us that need it.
Lastly it is my Constitutional right to own a gun, The second amendment "the right of the people to keep and bear arms

February 13, 2008 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wonderdog (anonymous) says...

I agree that the major cause of the crime rate is the failure of many to instill basic values such as respect for others and self respect in their children.

The statement "it happens all the time" that police break down doors at the wrong address and start shooting is complete and utter BS, however. Read the Charleston County website for criminal arrests and then look up the perps' records, and you may appreciate that the police are able to remove these criminals from the streets, even if it is only until the judicial system spits them back out. Could they or would they do their jobs if they were unarmed? ROFL

February 13, 2008 at 11:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

MAJMike, actually this kind of thing does happen. Anonymous informant, "no knock" warrant, incorrect address, surprised homeowner, dead cops, etc. Here's one:
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/01/suspe...

You're awoken from a sound sleep by the sound of your door being kicked in. You have a firearm and seconds to react. What are you going do?

February 13, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MAJMike (anonymous) says...

I have served high risk warrants in the past and kicked a few doors in Iraq. I realize it does happen but is the exception not the rule. Elisabtta makes it sound like it happens on every warrant.

February 13, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Cid95 (anonymous) says...

It's the Italian form of Elizabeth. Like Giorgio for John.
Not one of those silly made up names like Telvin or Lasonya. Speaking of Italian, is that last one pronounced like Lasagna?

February 14, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

professional_blk_woman (anonymous) says...

Mouth of the South....that question was insulting, and Cid, I cant believe you responded.

February 14, 2008 at 12:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

This is the level of discourse on this article? Is this the best some of you Caucasian people out there can do?

jerseylegal: " The blacks are a whole different culture that many of us will never understand, much like muslims or pakistanis or whatever. This country has always been based upon built up upon the beliefs and values of normal God fearing white conservative individuals and their families and their values. We will never mesh with other cultures and their different ways, it is not meant to be, and it never will be."

Mouth: "Is your name one of those made up pretend names that seem so popular with low class people in our society these days, or were your parents just illiterate and couldn't spell Elizabeth?"

Poisen: "'when will it stop? when all your young are dead?' Not as long as they keep breeding like rabbits. After all another young'un to them is like winning the lottery, more food stamps and another trip to the hair & nail salon for mama. After all, she has to look good for 'Daddy' number...???"

February 14, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Test2007 (anonymous) says...

EY - From your examples I can see that we have a plethora of intelligence on these boards. Only one of those mentioned race specifically but you get the gist of the others. Luckily not everyone is like that. Be careful though, if you refute their assumptions you may just be called a race baiter.

I wouldn't worry about it though. Most people don't pay attention to them anyway.

February 14, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

fdw843 (anonymous) says...

are you serious??
quit worrying about how i spell my words and go get a reality check.
all of you people referring to them as blacks and black culture- that's how all of them are; that is outrageous.
it isn't just blacks shooting and killing each other- and it isn't just blacks sagging and wearing grills.
all of them do it- (INCLUDING WHITES).
most of you on here are racist and misjudging.
well i guess you don't refer to the whites shooting and killings because the most they do is shoot their damn selves.

February 14, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HezzyBound4Lyfe (anonymous) says...

For everyone jumping to conclusions about wat happened shut the hell up. If you weren't there or involved init you basically kno not a damn thing except two innocent 14 year olds and a 17 year old are going to jail for something they didn't do. Your opinions are fueled by lies the newspaper has printed.I happen to kno Trammel Mcfadden,Michael Gathers,the two fourteen year olds,Timothy Drayton,and Lavarieo Gathers.

February 14, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HezzyBound4Lyfe (anonymous) says...

Mouth of the south do you kno any of the people involved iin this? Do you kno wat kind of people they are?Do you kno how the situation went down?If you did you would obviouslly have a very different opinion!

February 15, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

beemz (anonymous) says...

FDW843
are you serious??
quit worrying about how i spell my words and go get a reality check.
all of you people referring to them as blacks and black culture- that's how all of them are; that is outrageous.
it isn't just blacks shooting and killing each other- and it isn't just blacks sagging and wearing grills.
all of them do it- (INCLUDING WHITES).
most of you on here are racist and misjudging.
well i guess you don't refer to the whites shooting and killings because the most they do is shoot their damn selves.
dear dear illiterate one i too am bi-racial (black) so your point of us as you call is moot.
do not use the race card with me because you will lose.
make no mistake about it dear MORON i am and has always been PROUD of who i am.
Btw P/C has a way for you people as you put it to check and read my previous comments since you assume that I am a racist.
LMAO uncontrollably at that one:.
i am hard on all who do wrong(crime) regardless of race so make sure you are well inform before you try to make a retort with me, okay.
and may i propose you read my comment again because i was not grouping 1 race together i was merely making a point of ,how SNITCHING in DA HOOD is a horrible crime according to those that stay in the HOOD if you will.
Beemz

P.S. as for your typing i was very DAMN serious can't you tell?
(ROTFLMAO@Sarcasm at best)
Also for the reality check that you mention i should take, well hun i just did when i looked in my mirror and was ecstatic at whom I am:..
PROUD TO BE ME!!!!!

February 16, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )