S.C. population growth in top 10
In-migration gives state biggest boost
By David Slade
South Carolina was among the 10 fastest-growing states in the nation from 2007 to 2008, with most of the population increase resulting from people moving here from other states, the Census Bureau reported Monday.
From July 1, 2007, through July 1, 2008, five people moved into South Carolina from other states for every two people added to the state's population because of the birth rate.
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While it's no surprise that people have been moving to the Palmetto State, the Census statistics show that South Carolina had the highest rate of population growth from domestic migration of any state in the nation. Domestic migration means people moving within the United States, from one state to another.
For every 1,000 people in South Carolina, more than 11 moved in from another state during the 12 months before July 1, the estimates show.
In raw numbers, the Census Bureau estimates 49,736 people moved to South Carolina from another state during that time. "That's one of the highest figures for any state in the country," said Robert Bernstein of the Census Bureau's public information office.
The only states to attract more new residents from other states were Texas, North Carolina, Arizona and Georgia.
Population estimates
Results from the Population Estimates Program from the U.S. Census Bureau.
Unlike those states, however, South Carolina attracted few new residents from other countries. Only 5,113 people are estimated to have moved to the state from locations outside the United States, a smaller number than moved to 27 other states.
In Georgia during the period of time, more than 27,000 new residents moved in from other nations. In North Carolina, there were more than 22,500.
South Carolina State Demographer Michael MacFarlane said people tend to move to South Carolina for retirement or recreation, while people move within the state more for employment reasons.
Often, he said, the migration from out-of-state creates new jobs, such as working at resorts and retirement communities, that prompts people to move within the state.
"Whether these trends are going to continue is an open bet right now," MacFarlane said.
South Carolina's population was estimated to be 4,479,800 on July 1. The population recorded in the 2000 Census was 4,012,012.
MacFarlane said the Census Bureau's 2008 estimates might not reflect the current state of the economy and the housing market, which he expects will slow the pace of domestic migration. With more people struggling economically and many having difficulty selling their homes, more are likely to stay where they are, he said.
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eyecantspel (anonymous) says...
During one of my yearly trips to North Charleston, it looks like they added 30,000 illegal (non-counted) Mexicans.
For marketing reasons, the City of Charleston should really sue North Charleston and get the use of their name back. They don't call Harlem "North Manhattan" do they? Might I suggest "Cracktown"? It is a double entendre for both the crack (drug) and the crack (hookers). A good example of marketing is CSU, Charleston Southern. Ironically, for a college, it is neither in Charleston or south of Charleston. Charleston... good. Southern... good. However, calling it "Northwest Charleston U.".... bad. North Charleston U.... Bad. Ladson U.... unlikely. Have some pride in your location CSU!!! Forget marketing.
Charleston suffers everytime NC is mentioned as one of the worst places on Earth (Bagadad, Mogadishu, NC) we must suffer from the adverse name recognition .
As for my post yesterday about deer hunting or whatever, I did not say that all deer hunters were creepy, but that deer hunters in general are creepy. I stand by those comments. The deer hunters I see "hunting" do not look like they read the PC online and post their feelings about issues. Most are holding some sort of beer can and a gun. I also said I support their right to hunt to help keep down the deer population, or as I put it "wipe it out". That, much like many of my posts, was ment in jest. I understand that all people who live in NC aren't criminals, but those that aren't may be the minority. I understand that not all deer hunters are creepy, but those that aren't may be in the minority. Its called profiling people. Its real. Its out there. If you choose to live in NC, you have to understand that your are viewed as a byproduct of your neighborhood. If you hunt deer, but see that most of the people you pass on the road are creepy that hunt deer, you have to understand that people will view you as creepy sometimes. For example, people like me, who do not deer hunt but only see the creepy deer hunters, not the ones who read "Hamlet" while waiting on a deer to jump out, and not the ones having a Starbucks coffee while listening to a NPR podcast on their I-pods while waiting on deer. You know, people who read Hamlet while drinking Starbucks while listening to NPR on their I-pods are creepy too....
Yeah, we are being overrun with Yankees, thanks for the update PC, stay classy.
Eye C. Spel
Charleston SC
St Francis Birth Class of 1975
(Not the cool new one in West Ashley, the old school one downtown. For our new residents, St. Francis used to be downtown)
December 23, 2008 at 2:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyecantspel (anonymous) says...
Due to space limitations, this had to go in a different post.
Top 10 Things Our New Yankee Neighbors Do That We Don't Understand
10. Once they get here, they compain about how bad things are here, and how great things are at home, but never leave. They must feel like they are trapped or something.
9. Complain about drivers here, when ironically, most people driving around here are now Yankees or half-backs.
(half-backs = peple who moved to Florida, couldn't take the lifestyle, then moved halfway back home, to South Carolina)
8. They complain about it being cold here. I hear 10 times a week that we have a "wet cold" here and that its warmer in Ohio. Ok, prove it by going home.
7. Pizza is not a pie, apple is a pie.
6. Yes, we have accents, and yes, so do you.
5. We have heard all of the grit jokes, you are not the first one to repeat them in the south.
4. Unions
3. Yes, it is humid here in the summer, it may be because of that ocean over there, the one you saw on the map drving the uhaul down here.
2. Lincoln raised an army, sent it here, occupied the south long before we fired on Fort Sumter. Ironically, Sherman and Lincoln would be thought of as war criminals today (Ex Parte Milligan). They did things that make Gitmo look like summer camp.
1. We don't care about the NBA or Ice Hockey, we never will. Frankly, we don't understand why you do.
December 23, 2008 at 2:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theronce (anonymous) says...
eyecantspel, very good. It must be the season, but thank you for the entertaining...and dead-on...posts. There are more that can be added to your list, but I'm kind of slow, and things often do not come to my mind when I want them to. They'll probably show up while I'm having a beer during a chess game. (I never ever mix alcohol and guns.)
December 23, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
When the story mentions attracting new residents from "other countries" I wonder what ridiculously small percentage of those are NOT from Mexico or Central America?
Of course that assumes they are even counted officially in the first place, which the vast majority are not.
Cid95
Old School Downtwan Roper birth class of '73
(yeah, blatant sig line copying there)
December 23, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
desspec (anonymous) says...
As nice as it is here, they'd be stupid not to want to come here! But do learn the "secret hand-shakes"!
December 23, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
Alaska is looking better and better every day.
St.Francis (downtown) birth class of 1959.
December 23, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
As much as the locals seem to hate or mistrust everyone who isn't from here, I find it amazing that people still believe the old myth of southern hospitality.
Eyecantspel, referencing the precedent set in the Milligan case doesn't really prove anything of your claim about Lincoln and Sherman being war criminals. While it is true that you could take many leaders and generals of past wars and claim that their behavior would be considered war crimes *now,* the fact of the matter is that their behaviors were adequate and appropriate for the situation, and neither man engaged in anything criminal. Lincoln was well within rights to station troops in an area of the nation which was expected to attempt an illegal secession and likely to engage hostilities against the rest of the nation. Sherman engaged in a quick, decisive and ingenious plan for reducing both the capability and the will to fight in the rebelling states. Of course, years after the fact the people here in the South began telling made-up stories of horrors that never really happened during Sherman's march, so a great general remains reviled to this day.
December 23, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
ltgrunt posted "Lincoln was well within rights to station troops in an area of the nation which was expected to attempt an illegal secession and likely to engage hostilities against the rest of the nation."
And thank God that President Bush has acted in the same manner to protect this nation from terrorists (that actually attacked this country). After 9-11, Bush was and is within his rights, and in fact doing his constitutional duty to protect this nation using the Patriot Act and GITMO.
Just as honest Abe, imprisoned tens of thousands of Northern political dissenters, shut down hundreds of opposition newspapers, and imprisoned their editors and owners that opposed federal aggression against the south and FDR ordered the internment of Ja_panese Americans.
December 23, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Chicago_Thug, Bush has been nothing but a criminal in his abuses of our rights and civil liberties. In trying to punish the small group that attacked us he has engaged us on wars on two fronts - one completely unrelated and unnecessary - gotten thousands more of our people killed, destroyed our international relations, and spied on and unconstitutionally imprisoned citizens and non-citizens without trial or even accusation.
Lincoln detained dissenters in response to riots and attempted uprisings, which is a far cry from Bush's administration spying on any given citizen with no reason or evidence to do so. There is also the fact that there has never been conclusive evidence that Lincoln himself ordered anti-war newspapers to be shut down, as a good deal of theory and popular speculation even at the time suggested that the men in power around Lincoln were behind those incidents.
The Civil War aside, there is no justification whatsoever for the internment camps we used during World War II. Much the same, there is no justification for the way we treat Arabic and Muslim people in general for the crime perpetrated by a select few. It is often the case that broad, tyrannical strokes like internment camps and the Patriot Act do more harm than good.
December 23, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
"Now a fella can't ignore some positives of yankees coming to the 2nd worst state in the nation for education and seventh in crime: Inbreeding has decreased substantially; Indoor plumbing is on the rise along w/ paved roads. Joe Riley has been stripped of being mythologized as being a greek god; palmetto bugs have been determined to be roaches after close examination; women don't chew baccer or dip snuff in the community any more; and finally family reunions are no longer viewed as dating opportunities. Any transplants wanna add to my humble list?"
Johhnyholmes: Your best post yet!!!
December 23, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ysillyme (anonymous) says...
Johnny~
The advent of dental floss in S.C. surely should have made the list in this dentally challenged state. As yankees float down and hover over the mud puddle of southern living, it is very apparent the word best described for us after being here several months is BOSS!
December 23, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
ltgrunt, whatever it takes to convince yourself that there is no comparrison. Lincoln did what he did to "protect the Union" and President Bush has done what he has. If Bush is a criminal, than so is Obama, McCain, H. Clinton, Kerry, and every single congress/senate member that voted to fund the war on terror and support the Patriot Act.
"[T]o tar the sacrifices of the Confederate soldier as simple acts of racism, and reduce the battle flag under which he fought to nothing more than the symbol of a racist heritage, is one of the great blasphemies of our modern age."
~ James Webb, former U.S. Navy Secretary
The average Confederate soldier knew that slave-owners in Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky and in other union states were allowed to keep their slaves when the war began. Indeed, when Fort Sumter was fired upon there were more slave states (and more slaves) in the union (eight) than there were out of it (seven).
Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America, by former U.S. Navy Secretary James Webb.
Mr. Greeley was evidently dissatisfied with the explanation of Mr. Lincoln, and the Tribune teemed with complaints and criticisms of his administration, which very much annoyed him; so much so that he requested Mr. Greeley to come to Washington and make known in person his complaints, to the end that they might be obviated if possible. The managing editor of the Tribune came. Mr. Lincoln said:
"You complain of me. What have I done or omitted to do which has provoked the hostility of the Tribune?"
'The reply was: 'You should issue a proclamation abolishing slavery."
Mr. Lincoln answered: 'Suppose I do that. There are now 20,000 of our muskets on the shoulders of Kentuckians, who are bravely fighting our battles. Every one of them will be thrown down or carried over to the rebels."
The reply was: 'Let them do it. The cause of the Union will be stronger if Kentucky should secede with the rest than it is now."
Mr. Lincoln answered: 'Oh, I can't think that!"
http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/in...
Lincoln, had to do what he thought was right to maintain the Union, Bush has acted in the same manner, without throwing the editors of the NY Times, LA Times, or the talking heads at MSNBC, and the rest in jail.
Grunt, your little tirade in attacking the south in your original post is weak at best. In your responce, you say "Lincoln detained dissenters in response to riots and attempted uprisings". I respond, Bush has not detained any protesters or dissenters, in fact, he has withstood vile and disgusting verbal attacks.
Leave the South be, they are a good people (and yes there are bad apples) the article was on SC growth. Not how the Union crushed the south. Let us not forget that it was southern democrats that opposed the Civil Rights act of 1964.
Give it a rest.
December 23, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
from the above article;
"Unlike those states, however, South Carolina attracted few new residents from other countries. Only 5,113 people are estimated to have moved to the state from locations outside the United States, a smaller number than moved to 27 other states."
Maybe there is something here in SC, that people like. I for one enjoy the weather, and my retirement check goes a little bit further than the intellectually advanced states of the north.
Yes, despite the crime pockets in certain areas, people are nice and there is southern hospitality.
Which contrasts the many cities of the northern states, like say Philly, the city of brotherly love!
December 23, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mayor_McCheese (anonymous) says...
Looks like a slow news day
December 23, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pck5 (anonymous) says...
i hate that ohio is grouped into yankees. i like being from the northeast - it's a wonderful place in the country. but i hate being grouped with ohio, much like i hate when people think that new jersey and new york are part of new england (gross!). and i would much prefer it if no one from any of those three states would move here. do southerners like people from new hampshire, maine, and vermont? we're the southerners of the north!
i think the same rules should apply to people moving WITHIN the country as TO the country. if you don't want to embrace the different culture and appreciate where you're going to be, don't move. sure, i miss new hampshire a lot sometimes, but i came here fully prepared to embrace southern life.
December 23, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pck5 (anonymous) says...
that wasn't very nice; i was defending the south.
and i'm a girl.
December 23, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
happy2bhere (anonymous) says...
To all those writers who post negatively about SC, you should think about the reasons you moved here to begin with. Try the following:
1. Remember snow, ice, and subzero temperatures. I'll take humidity any day.
2. Take a look at your property tax bill, and remember the one you were paying up north.
3. Try to remember the last time a stranger up north greeted you with a pleasant "How y'all doing?"
4. Look around at all the beautiful beaches, forests, state parks within a short drive.
When you move to a different state, it's ...different. If you try to recreate your old state in your new state, you end up with Florida. Anybody want to live there?
I for one am acclimating myself to SC, not the other way around. For those of you who don't want to, this Yankee wishes you would go back north and stop embarrassing the rest of us.
December 23, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pck5 (anonymous) says...
thanks happy2bhere, that's what i was trying to say too. :)
December 23, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
lol, pck5, you did ok, dont worry about it.
I used to have to travel to LA for my job, what a poop pile that place is.
December 23, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Larz13 (anonymous) says...
Ever notice that Yankees do not settle in places like Ashley Phosphate, Rivers Ave., Westside or Ladson? These places are reserved for the home-grown natives.
Also, don't combine Ohio with the northeast, it is an isult to us Yankees.
-originally from PA.
December 23, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Chicago_Thug;I notice that you and eyecantspel have been allowed the privilege or receiving the benefit of ltgrunt's vast knowledge on just about everything.
I have been a happy recipient of the same and can hardly wait for more.
I came to South Carolina in 1964 and have always believed in the old adage, "when in Rome do as the Romans do."
There is not a soul alive who has heard me criticize my home of choice.
Nothing would make me happier than to see all those malcontents that are so miserable living here, to pack up their crap and go
back to the Utopian places they left, free of knuckle dragging, tobacco chewing, and bigoted uneducated rednecks.
Did I miss anything?
Oh yeah, low taxes, wonderful climate, Southern hospitality!
Those of us remaning will try to keep these things intact without you.
Thanks
This dyed in the wool Redneck will not miss a single one of you.
Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus during the civil? war. Should have been called the cotton war.
It really ticked those New England mill owners off that the southerners would sell their cotton to the French and English for a higher price.
The nerve!
December 23, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Again we see the myth about people in the South being friendlier than those in other regions of the US. Having grown up in New York, my experience has been that people are friendlier, more inviting and more gracious hosts in the North than they are here. From what I've seen in the attitudes and habits of people here, Southern hospitality really only extends to other Southerners.
As for the issue of weather, there's a reason that so many people sing so fondly of a White Christmas. The change in scenery and the snow and ice that come with a real winter make for beautiful landscapes and fun, engaging activities.
Speaking of beautiful scenery, the mountains, forests and lakes of the Northeast are breathtaking, and the same views can be stunningly different in all the different seasons, whether laden with blooming flowers, verdant green fields, bright orange and red leaves or frosted with a layer of snow and ice. The parks in and around the Finger Lakes and the Alleghenies have some astounding scenery to behold.
So sure, you've got lower taxes here - which I suppose helps explain the state of public education - but beautiful scenery, lovely weather and hospitality aren't monopolized by the Southeast.
There was a lot more to the Civil War than just Cotton, Yird. Although it stands to reason that Northerners should have been upset at Southern farmers who didn't want to pay taxes on agricultural exports. Northern industry favored domestic trade in the interest of furthering development of the country, so for Southern farmers to not reciprocate and to sell abroad was a spit in the face to the cooperative spirit of the rest of the country. Add in other questions of states' rights vs. federal powers, trade and slavery and the conflict is clearly more than just a "cotton" war.
At this point, though, feelings - and I say feelings because objective viewpoints can be hard to come by - are set in stone, and no dialogue now will change peoples' views on the Civil War. The South had valid points about states' rights and the North had valid points about the good of the union, but the lingering hatreds don't allow for a balanced perspective.
December 23, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chicago_Thug (anonymous) says...
yes yird, I feel so blessed to be schooled in the finer things of northern living by such a wise sage like ltgrunt.
ltgrunt"There was a lot more to the Civil War than just Cotton, Yird. Although it stands to reason that Northerners should have been upset at Southern farmers who didn't want to pay taxes on agricultural exports"
Isnt the tax and free trade thing a couple of the reasons there was that revolutionary war? Hmmm.
ltgrunt "... but the lingering hatreds don't allow for a balanced perspective."
The only hate I have seen or at least perceived, is from all those that move here than want to bash the people and the state.
Now that is progressive thinkin at its finest!
December 23, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Thug, those lingering hatreds are held very tightly by some of the people of the South. Certainly not everyone here still holds animosity, but there are a number of people here and in other areas of the South who still haven't accepted the outcome of the Civil War.
Believe me when I say that in the North it's a matter for the history books, while down here there are still many people who treat it as an ongoing conflict.
Taxation without representation and complete blockage on trade were two key issues of the Revolutionary War, and those two issues were not in fact present in the buildup to the Civil War. The South was being represented, but the Southern states and the Northern states disagreed on taxation on exported agricultural goods. Exporting cotton and other agricultural goods wasn't outright banned for the Southern states, but tarrifs were being imposed to encourage domestic trade.
Again, the South had valid points about states' rights, and the North had valid points about the greater good of the union, but a person's geographical location dictates what version of Civil War history they are likely to be taught and encouraged to believe, so - again - it's hard to find a balanced perspective.
December 23, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
Posted by ltgrunt,Posted by From what I've seen in the attitudes and habits of people here,
I've found the root of your discontent ltgrunt.
Years ago I attended a Dale Carnegie course on public speaking and so on. One of my classmates ran a business West of Ashley
that wasn't doing to well and I remember him referring to "these people down here" as he explained his displeasure with the fact they would not purchase his service.
People, even dumb rednecks like myself, pick up on a condescending attitude and resent it. "Habits of the people here" like and "these people down here" are thoughts and attitudes that do not facilitate assimilation into the local society.
I get ribbed regularly about my strong New England accent but it is rarely in a malicious manner and I do not take offense.
I understand the resentment toward northerners because of the attitude so many of them display toward heir southern hosts.
I many times feel that same resentment myself.
My advice to you is get southern or get gone.
December 23, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ltgrunt (anonymous) says...
Such a gracious example of Southern hospitality - "get southern or get gone."
Once again, Yird, you deliberately misconstrue my point. I didn't say anything remotely like "these people" or "those people" or any derivative of that. I said "people here," which is about as non-threatening and non-judgmental as it gets. Had I instead said "attitudes and habits of these people," the emphasis would have unquestionably been placed on "these" and yes, that would clearly indicate a derisive attitude toward an identified group. In this case of what I actually said, though, the emphasis falls on "here," indicating my comfort in identifying myself within the social and geographic region which I'm examining.
I don't look down upon Southerners, and certainly not over anything so stupid as broad, sweeping generalizations or firmly entrenched feelings that a small but vocal percentage have on historical matters. I only gave voice to the curious irony of a geographic region where the people are so vocally proud of hospitality which they rarely show to outsiders. I just find it a questionable to berate and discourage Northerners - creating an unwelcoming atmosphere for them to step into - and then propagate the myth of Southern hospitality.
You can always say that Southerners are so nice and welcoming, but broad, sweeping generalizations are almost never accurate. Southern hospitality reaches only so far as each individual is willing to extend it, and for many people that stopping point is the moment they find out their new neighbor or co-worker is "a Yankee." I've been on the receiving end of a completely unprovoked "oh, you're one of *them*" far too many times to believe that Southern aggression to outsiders is only a retaliatory behavior.
Johhny, I'll admit that the city of Charleston has its perks, but I've seen all the historic sites a few times, and the only times I go there now are either work related or other reasons which just leave me frustrated at the parking and roadway situation. I prefer other places in the surrounding area like Main Street in Summerville and Old Fort Dorchester, and then other places in the state like Sesquicentennial State Park in Northeast Columbia and Table Rock State Park near Greenville.
December 23, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
moonpie (anonymous) says...
If SC is last in most everything then why are we in the top 10 fastest growing states?
December 23, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yird (anonymous) says...
ltgrunt; Ho hum!
December 23, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
happy2bhere (anonymous) says...
Itgrunt, I am from central New York, and I have experienced all of those beautiful winters and white Christmases you were rhapsodizing about. If you're not into winter sports, forget it! I have seen it snow from October to mid-May (5" one Mothers' Day). Even you would be sick of it by then.
And before you idealize education in NY, I'd like to inform you that high spending per pupil does not guarantee Rhodes Scholars. In the city I left, the graduation rate was a heart-stopping 50%. That's what you get even when you spend $20,000 per student. My property taxes were over $5000 for a house worth half of what my house here is worth, and my tax bill is under $2000. Oh, leave us not forget the roughly 100 new taxes and fees that the NY governor has proposed to close the state budget gap. Cutting spending is out of the question.
Relative to hospitality and peoples' attitudes: you'd better check the vibes you're giving off.
December 23, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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