Prostitution persists despite police efforts
The Post and Courier
Some call them ladies of the evening, but they often can be found strolling the upper stretches of King Street well past dawn. And they're not all ladies.
As children trudged to three nearby schools one morning last week, a woman who admitted to working the streets chatted with a Charleston County schools crossing guard. A city councilman who lives nearby said he's had to chase male and female prostitutes off his porch.
"They used to be right in front of my door," said Charleston Councilman Robert Mitchell, who lives on King near Huger Street. "You see cars picking them up at night. Nice cars — you'd be surprised."
The odd mix of streetwalkers and school children has become part of the morning landscape on Upper King.
There are three schools in the area: James Simons Elementary, the Charleston Catholic School and the new Charleston Charter School for Math & Science.
City Councilman James Lewis said he received complaints around the end of last school year about teachers being solicited as they arrived for work.
Lewis lives nearby and said King Street between Race and Grove streets has been a trouble spot for some time.
"It's full of prostitution," he said. "Women and men."
As obvious as the prostitution is now, residents, civic leaders and school officials say things have gotten better.
Lewis and others, including North Central Neighborhood Association President Rev. Alma Dungee, credited a police crackdown with helping improve the situation since early summer.
"It really has been getting better," Dungee said. "The police officers are really working."
Yet Charleston police have tallied relatively few prostitution arrests during the past few years.
In 2007, they made 24 such arrests — an average of two per month— compared with 301 in North Charleston — almost one a day.
"I don't know why the numbers are so different," said Cpl. Tonatte Mitchell, a member of Charleston's vice squad, not related to Councilman Mitchell. "If we get a complaint, we do something about it."
Complaints spurred the arrest of two men on prostitution charges near King and Race streets in early August, as well as two others near Meeting and Huger streets in April. Tonatte Mitchell said the city made the arrests using a female decoy.
Street-level drug dealing seems to be a much greater concern for city residents, according to the vice officer.
"Prostitution is not high on the list," she said. "I don't think it compares to any of the drug complaints that we get."
Lewis said the two problems go hand in hand. "Anywhere you have drugs, you're going to have prostitution," he said.
Fred McKay, principal at Charleston Catholic, said that things were much worse a few years ago. He said police patrols have helped, though he doesn't consider it just a law-enforcement problem.
He's also worried about nearby boarded-up buildings that seem to attract a range of criminal activity.
"They've been very good about responding," he said. "I think it needs more attention, not only from the police perspective, but from a city perspective as a whole."
Lynn Owings, the new principal at Simons Elementary, said she wasn't aware of any problems but didn't work at the school last year.
Peter Smyth, principal at the School for Math & Science, did not return calls for comment.
Robert Mitchell, the city councilman, isn't sure where the prostitutes come from; he doesn't see them in the daytime.
"We've got to keep pushing to try and clean it up," he said. "They arrest them, maybe they pay a fine and they come back out and do it again."
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Posted by letstakeawalk on August 31, 2008 at 2:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ah, this brings back fond memories...
I lived on Carolina Street a few years back, and had wonderful neighbors. They invited me to join them at the neighborhood association meeting, and I felt accepted. I was very surprised to hear the local beat cop's report on the neighborhood scene, as he gave the address and description of houses in the area that were known for either prostitution or drugs. I remember asking if they knew what was going on why they didn't do something, but got some answer about lack of money or manpower. He just suggested we not go near those houses, and left it at that. When I told my roomates that evening, they were shocked! At least we knew where the "market" was!
Posted by paulc84 on August 31, 2008 at 2:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Man prostitutes? Women pay for that?
Posted by JW29410 on August 31, 2008 at 4:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Of course Chief Greggie is targeting the issues centering around our French Quarter. There's more Fat Cats with deep pockets down there.
At least your basic hooker is honest about what they do for a living.
Posted by NativeSon on August 31, 2008 at 4:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What puzzles me is why anyone would spend good, hard-earned money for a prostitute when they can find a FREE, left-wing, liberal democrat in almost every bar!
Posted by Neponset on August 31, 2008 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think your overlooking the DC connection for male pros.
Posted by feb251939 on August 31, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Could we take an honest look at this situation? If they REALLY want these women off the streets, they would impose more severe punishment after they are arrested.
Currently these women can be back on the streets plying their trade within hours after paying fines which goes into city coffers. This is not unique to Charleston, it is nationwide.
Where is the initiative to keep them off the streets when the these women are making money for the cities, their pimps and themselves?
Posted by UrGatorbait on August 31, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Legalize it and pot, more tax revenue. then we can send uber patriot 1776 a one way ticket outta here.
Posted by a_set_love on August 31, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm glad to see the police in the City of North Charleston working so hard to try to control prostitution.
They could take the easy way out, like the City of Charleston, and pretend its not going on there.
Mr. Riley, are you ever going to clean up around the College of Charleston? ..... NOBAMA-08
Posted by belovedbliff on August 31, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think the men like to regard themselves as prostitutes. I call them hustlers. They'll perform a service--with a man or woman--for a fee. This is rampant in North Charleston.
Posted by STREETLAW on August 31, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gay prostitutes? Next thing you will tell me gays rape little children and commit vicious serial killings.
If this state can legalize and regulate the consumption of the hallucinogenic alcohol, they can do the same for sex.
And the prostitutes, well at least the female ones, need to get together and march for this change in the law, because as long as women are split the way they are, men will always be on top.
Posted by RTC on August 31, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Tonatte Mitchell said the city made the arrests using a female decoy." So, was she a sitting duck?
Posted by Riverside on August 31, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Women pay for that? Are you kidding me? It's men who pay for men! It's called the "down-low" and it's so prevalent that even Oprah did a show about it years ago.
Posted by oldglory on August 31, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL@stand and Native
If you put all the pros (male & female) in jail and clean up the place, where the heck will all the congressmen and religious leaders go when they feel ummm tense??
Way to go P&C--perfect Sunday morning reading in the bible belt!!
Posted by abitskeptical on August 31, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It amazes me that where abortion is concerned the mantra is:
A woman should have the "right" to decide what to do with "her" body..when, in fact, the entity she is making a decision about is not her body but an entirely separate genetic human living being(yes, it is human, for it is not another species & it is alive).
Yet, this same woman cannot decide to use her body sexually to earn a living.
Ours laws. Gotta love 'em. So consistent. So logical.
Posted by mkris on August 31, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Male prostuitutes? In Charleston... oh my, grab the pearls.
If there were fifteen heterosexual men below Broad Street, there'd be 15 less repressed bleached blond church ladies below Broad Street. Its always been an open secret about Charleston. Anything goes below Broad, as long as it can be sweept quietly under the carpet.
Posted by Cid95 on August 31, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MPPD, get on the ball! No arrests?! Haven't you seen what's happening on the sleazy street corners around the Pitt St Pharmacy? Or are you police just too afraid to go into the REAL ghetto, instead just feeling brave when you patrol the rough side of Snee Farm?!
Bring it down to the OV
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on August 31, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gay prostitutes... hmm Sometimes it is so nice to stay naive to things like this.
Posted by RTC on August 31, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL@ Cid. Yeah, Pitt Street Pharmacy is a hooker haven.
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on August 31, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mt P doesnt want to hurt their reputation of being "the perfect cookie cut city/town" Some of the most conceited people live there and they have no reason to be that way.
Posted by JLWDALFAN on August 31, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I BELIEVE THEY NEED TO MAKE THE FINES HIGHER. ALSO ARRESTING THE PEOPLE TRYING TO PICKUP THE PROSTITUTES AND HAVING THEM PAY A SUBSTANTIAL FINE. THE FINES COULD OFFSET THE EXTRA OFFICERS NEEDED TO COMBAT THE PROBLEM. THE RESIDENTS OF THESE AREAS HAVE GOT TO COME TOGETHER AND TAKE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BACK. I BELIEVE THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH DRUG PROBLEMS.
Posted by a_set_love on August 31, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Johnq2 on August 31, 2008 at 8:23 a.m.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"At least the "liberal Dems" are having relations with members of the opposite sex and not anonymous gay sex in public restrooms that the repubs are so fond of!"
That man was later outed as being a closet "Liberal Democrat" ...NoBAMA-08
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Looks like we will be dealing with our own hurricane next weekend....Maybe it will wash the whores off the streets.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
New Orleans biggest criminal element during Katrina was it's own Police Department. Let's hope Nagan will do a better job this time. At least the buses are moving and not sitting in a parking lot getting flooded.
Posted by KidYendor on August 31, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would like to be a for women only male prostitute. Like the attorney commercials, I can hear my commercial now: "Your husband don't like you no more? Boyfriend breakup and now your antsy? I am at your service, call me KidYendor 555-5555!" Anybody know where they sell tofu cheap? All kidding aside, to solve this legal brothels need to be set up where us single guys can find relief and get the street girls off the streets and into a safer brothel.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So KID,, sounds as if you might be a whore chaser??
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on August 31, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL ... No Glove No Love! Yuck ... infestation of everything in the book is all I could think of when I hear of a prostitute. YIKES
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Then you and your daddy can get drunk
and go whore-chasing together!
Posted by BIGDEE on August 31, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Park only targets one group of people. How many hard rock fans come to Myrtle Beach? Is Myrtle beach a hot spot for Rock concerts? If not, then why would you build a Hard Rock park there!!
Posted by mkris on August 31, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why so much hang-ups with prostitution? Just get Joe to designate one red light area. Add some regular testing and then tax the profits.
Anyways all these guys have gotta do is buy a BMW Z3 - The car to buy when looks and money aren't enough to get you laid.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
New Orleans is bussing all thier whores out of the city. Looks like Nagan is ready to lock up anyone staying behind to loot.
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What was the name of that republican rep who was being serviced by one of the DC madam???
What? Not relevant? But he's a typical righty who is still serving.
We could go tit for tat ALL day.
The article, however has NOTHING to do with anti-liberal sentiments. It's about prostitution, which seems to be quite the money maker for the city (in the form of fines, which are probably paid by the same hookers over and again).
Come on, anti-liberal folks. There are plenty politically charged articles in which you can spout your anti-liberal stance (but, so you know, we get it already). Stay on topic here. Focus dear sufferers of ADD!!!!!!
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder if Joe will provide busses for his whores with a hurricane comming here next weekend?
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My focus is on these whores. I wonder what the whore in that pic looks like? It only shows her legs. Wonder if she is local?
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not nearly as disgusted by these hookers as I am by the men and women who enjoy their services.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Average Salary of Whores in Charleston is 30,000 according to http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=whore&am...
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What was the name of that republican rep who was being serviced by one of the DC madam???
The DC Madam scandal led to the resignation of Ambassador Randall L. Tobias from his State Department position and as the Administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. Also named as a regular client was columnist and military strategist Harlan Ullman, creator of the concept of "shock and awe", of the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the Washington Times.
No mention of party affilation for any of these people,,,
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was actually writing of David Vitter of Louisiana. I was just modeling my post off of RW's.
Posted by ChasCarolinaGirl on August 31, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jeff, go ahead and say it ... Im waiting!
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by RW on August 31, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jeff61,
You probably wouldnt want see much higher then her calloused laden knees!! You'd better have nose plugs and a can of raid!! :{
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That is probaby true RW
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not nearly as disgusted by these hookers as I am by the men and women who enjoy their services.
Why are you digusted with any it????
Posted by voyager12 on August 31, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well this goes to show that straights are just as immoral as us gays. But that's the double standard for you. Heterosexuality is still so superior. Barf.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Soliciting these whores would be like passing an accident on the highway - I don't WANT to look, but sometimes I look, and then I feel nauseous and hate myself for exposing myself to that.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder how long it will New Orleans Mayor Nagan to get his whores bussed back in after the hurricane??? I wonder if a whore shelther has been setup to those whores that did not leave a place to go?
Posted by mkris on August 31, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jeff, ya can get arrested for that exposing...... :-)
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jeff, You need nose plugs and raid and use words like nauseous and then ask why I am disgusted?
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mayor Ray Nagin issued stern warning Sunday to anyone thinking of looting, saying "looting will not be tolerated."
"Anyone who is caught looting in the city .... will go directly to Angola," Nagin said referring to the state penitentiary during a press conference at City Hall. "You will not have a temporary stay in the city; you will go directly to the big house."
"God bless you," Nagin said.
He did emphazie however that whoring will continue along with many other services that can supported during the hurricane.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
voyager12 really feels that homosexuals are like passing an accident on the highway - He doesn't WANT to look, but sometimes he looks, and then feels nauseous and hate myself for exposing himself to that.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Mount Pleasant police have made no prostitution arrests during the past three years"
So many possible comments,, so little time.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
David Vitter of Louisiana has bigger concerns then whores right now... that state is about to get hit by a CAT 5 Whoreicane. I hope many of those people have the common sense to leave this time
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Holy Hell JohnQ how did you run across that??? LOL
Posted by RTC on August 31, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't worry jeff, if New orleans get slammed again it will still be Bush's fault.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Democratic Party created this hurricane and focus on whores to disrupt the Repbulican convenction since thier own was such a failure and sad attempts to overshadow McCains outstanding choice of a running mate....these attempts will fail and McCain will Pelan display the nation leaders that they are while Obama and Biden will scratching each ohter ass trying to figure out how to take advantage of this diaster for thier own benifit.
Posted by RTC on August 31, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A friend told me that when they want a good laugh they go to www.craigslist.com, and click on exotics.
I think stephaniem advertises on there.
Posted by crankyyankee on August 31, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You can't legistate morality and you never will! The Dems have it wrong on the fiscal side and the GOP has it all wrong on the social side. What to do?
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
But can we legistate whores? Can a Whore tax be calculated? Would a whores pimp be responsible for paying taxes and workmans comp and so on for his whores?
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore says timing of Gustav is 'proof that there is a God in heaven'
I only wish that sick bastard was left behind in New Orleans to be washed away to Cuba with the rest of the garbage. Only an extreme lying liberal like him would make such statement. To wish a CAT 5 Hurricane on anyone shows this prick sick mind. ROT in hell Moore you piece of sh!t
Posted by TILTINKILT on August 31, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you are sincere about discouraging prostitution, why don't you stop accepting ads from "Gentlemen's Clubs" ? Why take their money and pretend you don't know what goes on in those places ?
Why be so hypocritical about running articles and writing pious editorials decying prostitution in our Holy City, when you help promote it yourself with print ads for prostitutes and escorts in your Sports and Classified section ?
Posted by CNN_10 on August 31, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The prostitutes on Upper King Street who are male are transexuals who dress up like women and they mostly hangout on Cleveland Street. Also they hang around the brownstones on King Street as well. that should clear that question that people are confuse on.
Posted by scswampfish on August 31, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I suppose the Republicans are "taking a wide stance..."
Family values, OMG!
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW -- you are really quite crude. Maybe you've just been drinking and posting all day, and now you're at your limit. But you have officially crossed the line from merely obnoxious to quite offensive.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That post by RW just may have been obnoxious to quite offensive but compared to some post made by others in the past but i don't think officially the line has been crossed yet. Getting there,,, but not quit yet.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The gov't does NOT have the right to outlaw sex for money. If a man or woman wants to'sell' there body for sex then they havce the right to. Any cop who busts a prostitue is violating human rights and freedom of expression, well, unless they are having sex in public then they could be given a ticket for lewd conduct or indecent exposure. But other than that as long as all parties are Adults of legal age then what right does our corrupt gov't have making a law against it???
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You assume I'm a liberal because I call you out on your foul posts. You are wrong.
I am not by any means a paragon of virtue. I simply am not crude and hateful, which must be exhausting, by the way.
In all of the posts that are filled with hate and insults, the ones from right-wingers tend to be over the top and ignorant all at the same time.
Go ahead and consider me hypocritcal; I'll not consider you at all.
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If I follow your logic correctly, tmh32, then how can the government make laws about indecent exposure. After all, don't we have the rights to express ourselves by showing our bodies in their most natural state?
Just playing devil's advocate here.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Halfshel,
So how do you feel about Michael Moore's sick comment thanking god for the hurricane
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The gov't does NOT have the right to outlaw sex for money.
If this is a fact then why are there laws on the books to outlaw it? Looks to me they made it thier right. Where was the pro whore groups when these laws were being made.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I do not thump a bible and not and expert about whores. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Eddie Murphy can have the transsexuals, he seems to like them.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jeff61 They were made by the remains of the puritan controling freaks and then are still carried out today by our ever so corrupt gov't at both the federal and state level. having worked at the Senate I have seen this first hand. Used to go to the Camalot club in NW DC and would see Congress men and Senators taken to the 'private room' Only thing is there was no private room and the place is run by the Greek mob. heck or entire Federal gov't is the biggest Criminal org in our country. It's a fact that a revolution and full purge of our system needs to be done in order to fix anything. All laws that are truely needed could be printed in a book of less than 600 pages and the rest is just common sence. Lawyers would no longer be needed just advocates and Judges should and could dispence justice in a fair and equitable manner. Heck, it's supposed to be the judges job to throw out stupid cases (take the case of the trailer trash whore who sued McDonalds for the hot coffee, that judge should be SHOT and taken out of the gene pool) I could go on and on but will shut up before I get pissed.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No,, I am not RW. I know you were not talking about me.
Posted by mkris on August 31, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: "If you are sincere about discouraging prostitution, why don't you stop accepting ads from "Gentlemen's Clubs" ? Why take their money and pretend you don't know what goes on in those places ?
Why be so hypocritical about running articles and writing pious editorials decying prostitution in our Holy City, when you help promote it yourself with print ads for prostitutes and escorts in your Sports and Classified section ?"
The Newless Courier will do anything for an advertisement dollar. You didn't know that? Kinda like the prostuitutes they're writing about. The editorial page is like a republican bumper sticker and the Big Buisness corruption the republicans like so much.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Halfsheli: You have a valid point. Why can't person just walk around nude? if you don't want to see it then don't look. Although I personaly would not do that. Well....maybe if I was in the same shape I was when I was 20 and benching 300lbs (just outta bootcamp) then again, you could say it would be a safety issue. I have seen some ladies down here (love southern women!) that would cause accidents if they walked down the street nude.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, I'm not so sure that I'm a libertarien, not left or right wing either. I kind of consider myself a Free Thinking AMERICAN. Tell the truth, even when I was working on the 'Hill I got confused by all the political expressions.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, I wasn't trying imply that anyone should be 'pimped' but that it is a free choice by a consenting adult. If anyone is forced then that implied consent does not exsist and the offender needs to have his/ her a*$ handed to them ricky tiki.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW ROFLMAO!!! :)
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin is kinda good on the eyes. Wonder if that was why McCain picked her as he is now labeled the " Old White haired dude" LOL :)
No one running is worthy, but Obama is the lesser of 2 evils. It does worry me that he showed up at a speach carring a Koran and a Bible. The only Repub I would even consider voting for is Ron Paul. He was trouble maker and outsider in the party even when I worked in DC. he truely wants to chang our gov't to 'of the people, by the people and FOR THE PEOPLE' unlike the rest of the Pimps in power.
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, again, you seem obsessive about your attacking of liberals, obviously a major psychosis on your part. Why bother if you think that y’all are obviously going to win, maybe there is something lacking in you? Maybe you are making up from your own inadequacies, or some sort of latent perversion . You do seem to know allot about the current subject matter!
Posted by abitskeptical on August 31, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The founding fathers of this country had a Libertarian vision for this country.
It has been hijacked by both parties. It is hard to place the blame on only one party.
There was a time when I thought that the modern day Democrats caused the most diversion from the initial vision. However, I believe that the Republicans have absolutely done their fair share of damage.
I have conservative leanings but I believe the biggest disgrace of the modern day Republicans is how intertwined they have allowed(or encouraged) corporations to become in policy making & law.
The melding of government & corporations=Corporatism=Fascism.
In case people have short memories or did not pay attention in history class: This is not good, folks.
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tell me RW, what is the matter? That is the cause of all of this anger? Did a liberal once break your heart? What is the matter, was you not “man” enough (wink, wink) for him or her?
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AAAAAwwwwwwwww! Poor LITTLE RW!
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, brother, I have to disagree. McCain is not the lesser of 2 evils but you are right to say that Obama is dangerous and that his supporters are a bit low in the IQ dept. (mine was last rated at 155) But i think some of that is because of the 'bandwagon effect' with his nomination. I'm not real sure we are ready as a nation for a black president BUT.... He may be what is needed to galvanize some changes and being a bit younger he may actually be more in touch with the current generatiuons needs and wants. Unfortunately all this will be for naught because if he does actually,.. does become super popular and starts to make changes that the rest of the power pimps don't like then...does anyone remember prez' Kennedy? Sucks to think like that but that is just how dirty our own gov't is. Pure cut throat.
dude, I would to sut at the bar a drink a beer while swapping stories. where do you hang out? I can be found at Blues house of wings on 41 and sometimes at Richards or Halligans.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW one more thing AM NOT liberal. Free thinking american lol :)
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
take the case of the trailer trash whore who sued McDonalds for the hot coffee,
I don't think you can get aids but burning down your hosue but I see your point,,,however she was not a trailer trash whore, it was a 75 something old lady,,, now she very well may have been a whore at one time, but I don't know what she did for a living, but at that age I am sure she would be retired.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jeff61
LMAO!!!!! i was just venting a bit and useing what i can pass for profanity here to get my point across. I used that example because it is readily recognized by most people. There are many, MANY more examples I'm sure that could be used. But that judge is definetly a candidate for a Darwin award, or at the very least should be.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I feel sorry for people who are now stuck trying to support and defend the Obama illusion of “Change and Hope”. Obama has proven he does not represent that which he was trying sell with his pick of Biden as VP. Obama has yet put out a creditable argument as how Biden represents change and hope,,, "Obama also missed an opportunity to do so earlier in the convention by trotting out all the Washington establishment folks (Clintons, Kennedy, Biden, ) as opposed to introducing and showcasing some of the newer, bright, young, up-and-coming "stars" of the democratic party." I could not agree with that more, except to say,, what up and coming “stars” in the Democratic Party?????
Obama has proven to me and millions of others,, that he is nothing more than a snake oil salesman trying to sell an empty bottle of B.S. I feel for those people who bought cases of Obama’s snake oil that now sits in the garage taking up space. Do yourselves a favor Obama supporters and pour Obama’s snake oil down the drain. Unfortunately Obama did not even have the foresight to package his snake oil in recyclable bottles. So now your stuck with the only choice but to take those empty bottles to an already overflowing land fill…..
Those sick twisted comments by Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore and Don Fowler says timing of Gustav is 'proof that there is a God in heaven' further support what that bunch is all about.
I only wish that sick bastard was left behind in New Orleans to be washed away with the rest of the garbage. Only an extreme lying liberals like them would make such statement. To wish a Hurricane on anyone shows this prick sick mind. ROT in hell pieces of sh!t
I would have to say the future of Obama's candidacy can be summed up with these great words,
It's like passing an accident on the highway - I don't WANT to look, but sometimes I look, and then I feel nauseous and hate myself for exposing myself to that.
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
tmh32,
These guys don't have a clue what free thinking is, they have been constantly spoon fed by their heroes, the Rush Limbaugh’s, Sean Hannity’s and Bill OReilly’s, so really you are just speaking Greek to them!
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW. well.... ok then. I still don't think i fit in that group but like I said, even when i was exposed to that political poisen all those terms really got me confused. I just really have a problem with people who use big words and half sayings to beat around the bush instead of just coming out and saying what they mean. politicaly correct??!! NOT. I will say what i want, when i want, about and to whome I want. The consitution, taken almost literaly, is the single greatest document we have. well might have to put it second to the Bible but that has been through so many revisions and translations it's hard to find the real truth. Although I believe i can sum it up with this most profound and wise saying.
" Be excellent to each other."
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW tmh32, if you challege my IQ, I'm your huckleberry!
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I do know a bullsh!t artist when I see one. Put you mind of a used car sales men trying to sell something that CARFAX won't touch..
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, So what category do I fall in? I'm curious?
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
GBS now now be nice. You realy don't want to do that. trust me on this. I really do have to agree that alot of the Obama supporters seem to be a bit slow. OR are just on the bandwagon as I stated before. Me, I honestly don't believe even 20% of what ANY politician says. About the only honest well, as honest as one can be in that profession was Strom Thumond. he used to tell me the raunchiest jokes and made his aides walk at least 8 feet behind him. Old guy spoke his mind and stuck to his guns. Him I respected.
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
tmh32
Generalizations are usually a sign of lack of intelligence, and you did make a sweeping generalization… but then again so is arrogance. I’m just saying.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is it ok to make a sweeping generalizations about whores??
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, You are just spewing more of your moronic name calling, and little else. Along, with your signature LOL, nothing new here folks.
Posted by abitskeptical on August 31, 2008 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now GBS, you are generalizing about generalizing. Be careful.
Posted by tmh32 on August 31, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ok this is getting Way off topic. Although extremely amusing. And with that. A good night to all. and God save us all no matter who gets elected.
Posted by abitskeptical on August 31, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ditto to tmh32...
God help us all.
God save us all.
There is some good in the worst of us & some bad in the best of us & it would do some people here some good to keep this in mind...
Going to go watch a movie.
Posted by jeff61 on August 31, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am wondering if Whores can fall into categories?
That whore Michael Moore would fall into the lowest form of such unimaginable sh!t to don't even want to think of.
Does anyone want to defend what the filthy pig sh!t whore said? The fat whore is what gives liberals a bad name,, among other things. He should be run out of the country. He has no support for this country other then making a dishonest buck with his pack of lies so called Documentaries.
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What would some of you say is the best or most significant accomplishment of this conservative administration. I mean they did follow an evil, liberal administration. So, exactly what has this adnistration of nearly 8 years (and its conservative congress of nearly 6 years before this current useless congress) done to right the sinister deeds of their predecessors?
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nope I didn't abitskptical, I did use the term usually, which means there are the ones that use generalizations to cover up their inadequacies , insecurities, and any thing else to make themselves seem superior to the ones they are arguing with. So, RW, what are you inadequacies? Would you like to share?
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 31, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So where did you go to school RW? Hillbilly Tech? So, you were a wressler? Why? Were you trying out for the WWF or was it just because you liked playing grab ass?
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
come on guided -- don't stoop to his level. name calling is obviously for the "right"eous. be strong and secure in your beliefs, which you have every right to, and let RW remind you of why you have those beliefs, and not those of the "other" side with every crass insult he hurls.
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW, you poor lost soul,
I can't believe that you think that your generic insults have any effect on anyone outside of you; they've simply lost their steam. You just come across as bitter and dissatisfied with your own life.
I just can't help but love the irony in a single post where you call GBS gay (because that's so obviously an insult) and then admit to rolling around on the floor in a tight, sweaty embrace with another man while wearing spandex...
Bless your little ol' heart...
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Johnq -- will you please stop calling johndoe45 gay? it hurts his feelings, and it's just not nice. surely we can all continue to discourse without the pettiness...
JD45 -- How was that?
Seriously. How is being called gay an insult? If you are insulted by that, does it make you a homophobe? a bigot?
Posted by halfsheli on August 31, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oh, yeah. you sure got one up on JQ.
I keep trying to tell you people that I am not a liberal. It must be my tolerence and open-mindedness that throws you off. Don't have anyone mistaking me for a conservative!!!
I am very much a middle-of-the-road independent. Fiscally conservative, yet socially liberal. My, what a paradox. Someone who thinks for herself...
Posted by tmh32 on September 2, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Allah (the devil) and every Muslim in the world can collectivly kiss my White Butt.