S.C. voices offer praise, criticism
By Robert Behre
Palmetto State Republicans who make up John McCain's base here like the idea of a Vice President Sarah Palin.
Other observers say the choice carries some risk.
S.C. House Speaker Bobby Harrell, one of McCain's South Carolina co-chairs, called the Alaska governor an outstanding pick as running mate.
"She's a conservative lady who has executive experience, and I could not be happier with his choice," he said Friday. "He picked a conservative reformer, somebody very similar to himself in terms of philosophy. I'm looking forward to meeting her next week."
Lowcountry Republicans would have been less enthusiastic about two other possibilities, former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge and U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, both of whom support abortion rights. The choice of Palin, an abortion opponent, seems certain to create more unity in Minnesota during next week's Republican National Convention.
South Carolina GOP Chairman Katon Dawson previously said he is firmly in the anti-abortion camp, "and I would have some concerns in a nominee that was not, but that being said, it's John McCain's pick." He called Palin "a tremendous pick."
McCain supporter Mark Hartley acknowledged that Ridge or Lieberman, while great guys, could have caused strain in the base. "I think that absent a very controversial pick that the entire party is going to be behind whoever we choose," Hartley said.
Former state Rep. John Graham Altman said after he watched Palin speak, he called his wife, Charm, as she was driving to the convention in Minnesota. "I told her to turn around and come back. We've got this election won," he said.
The pick of Palin drew flak from House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., who told South Carolina ETV radio that the choice of Palin "would be something similar to Dan Quayle," President George H.W. Bush's vice president widely considered to be an unhelpful choice.
Clyburn also noted that Democratic contender Walter Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his vice presidential pick in 1984, and "she proved to be a disaster as a running mate. And as a campaigner, she was absolutely awful. And so I just think that it is very risky for McCain to do this, but it may be all he has left."
U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint praised Palin for her work cutting wasteful spending, opposing earmarks and tackling corruption in her own party. He also said she "knows we must aggressively pursue American energy sources like offshore drilling to reduce our dependence on foreign oil."
College of Charleston political communication professor Mike Lee described Palin as a high-risk, high-reward pick.
Lee said the choice bolsters McCain's reputation as an independent thinker and not someone bound to President Bush, as Democrats are trying to portray him. Also, her social conservatism solidifies the base.
On the other hand, she's unlikely to have much influence in a large swing state and will face a stern test debating the more-experienced Democratic vice presidential candidate, Sen. Joe Biden. Also, the Alaska Legislature has launched a $100,000 investigation to see if she dismissed Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire a state trooper who had gone through a messy divorce from Palin's sister. Palin has said she welcomes the investigation: "Hold me accountable."
"I see a lot of upside and a lot of downside, and a lot of this remains to be seen," Lee said. "I don't doubt that a lot of people were surprised, and a lot of Americans are still shaking their heads and wondering why she was chosen."
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tc1 (anonymous) says...
So you are saying an IF situation which would install someone with 2 years experience as a state govenor is not as good as immeadiately installing someone "with virtually no experience in government" ?
August 30, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
"Sarah Palin - pro-life, NRA member, female, self reliant, hunts, fishes, what the heck else could a real man ask for?"
A hot and intelligent wife who owns a large beer distributorship? But wait, he has that too!!
Seriously, it takes a lot of courage for a man to be willing to take on dealing with two women of that high caliber! Now I will not be holding my nose while voting McCain. Suddenly I feel positive for the future.
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August 30, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Stand,
LOL at your post. If Obama is elected president, as you so eloquently stated: 'then we'll have a leader with virtually no experience in government.'
By your own logic, then, Obama is a poor choice for president.
August 30, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Hey Obama......You see that flash of light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear.
August 30, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
JohnDoe,
Ponder the quandary democrats now face in in terms of how they choose to attack Palin. Every criticism of youth and inexperience they try to pin on Palin, the vice presidential candidate, exists for their presidential candidate.
This was a very deft choice on McCain's part, and the timing impeccable! If nothing else, because she is little known, a lot of undecided voters and disaffected Hillary-ites will be giving his candidacy a second look.
It's shaping up to be an exciting race!
August 30, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
"Please, oh Please democrats don't persue this problem" says Ber Rabbit with a twinkle in his eyes!
August 30, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
LOL Jeff61.bGood morning!
August 30, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
I'm waiting for the Obama bin Biden bumper sticker. The liberals will go ballistic.
It's going to be a tough campaign for the liberals this year. No matter how you slice the boloney, trying to sell high taxes, income redistribution, high gasoline prices, socialize medical care and appeasement to our enemies and have the American people like it, is a tough sell.
August 30, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Crap, I didn't think about it till I already posted Ber Rabbit's comment. Now they'll turn down the racist street. POOP!
August 30, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
What was it that he posted John_Doe....
August 30, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
David Broder has a great column today about the overall ineffectiveness of Obama's acceptance speech. Check it out.
Among other things, he points out how Obama really missed an opportunity to underscore his message as the candidate of hope and change by sounding many of the tried and true liberal nanny state promises. Obama also missed an oportunity to do so earlier in the convention by trotting out all the Washington establishment folks (Clintons , Kennedy, Biden...)as opposed to introducng and showcasing some of the newer, bright, young, up-and-coming "stars" of the democratic party.
August 30, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MableX (anonymous) says...
McCain's picked a lady for his Veep-a psycho-lady Religious Right mouth-breathing fuss-nut who thinks evolution is crazy talk, that dinosaur bones are the 6,000-year-old remains of dragons, and that there's no good reason a woman should control her own body even if she's been raped by her uncle.
Yipee! I see why she is such a hit in SC!
August 30, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
John...
After they get out of group therapy, they'll be back.
August 30, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
Just saw some information on Fox. Sarah Palin has more executive leadership than Obama. And for the last two years of Obama's term what has he been doing??? Campaigning for president while Palin has been reforming things in Alaska.
She has been in politics since 88 (I think that was the year) and has worked her way up through the ranks, defeating popular incumbants.
This IS going to be good.....Now I REALLY want to know where I can pick up a bumper sticker!!! Anyone?????
August 30, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
The beauty about Palin is that her career was base on going after corrupt republicans. Can you imagine a liberal going after a corrupt liberal? That's a contradiction in terms. Liberalism is base on corruption.
August 30, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
Excellent Choice All Around. ethical,down to earth,Family Values,Erin Brokovich allure,Pro-Life,Conservative ,Commander of the National Guard,Pro NRA,Mayor and Gov. experience etc..A Fresh Face.
This was not a gamble by John McCain........Following George Bush Policies Might be.
McCain -Palin has My Vote.
Could You imagine If We Could find a Couple Of Politicians In SC That would act as a CEO of their stat and work for the best interest of the people of SC like she has done for Alaska?......A Politician with ethics ..
Lets use the Offshore Oil to pay for our infrastructure....
And Weed out corruption.
August 30, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
amylrod (anonymous) says...
Some people are saying McCain only met her twice and how do you get to know someone after two meetings? When I saw Palin and heard her speak, saw her accomplishments, I saw in her the real deal, genuine, approachable - I like her.
I think she has great potential and could do the job of commander in chief if the inevitable happened to McCain as she would have plenty of advisers surrounding her, just like Obama would.
However, I will say this, If McCain-Palin ticket wins, we still have gridlock as the Democrats will have control of Congress. Either McCain has to compromise or see his vetoes overridden by the Democrats.
If Obama wins, Americans will finally get a dose of how socialistic he and his party are and after two years, will vote many out of office, just like they did during Clinton's era.
And if enough Americans really want change, knowing, too, that Republicans have already proven they can drop the ball when they have control, then maybe the independent or third party candidates will have more attraction for I believe we need a third party.
No matter what, this will be historic for America.
August 30, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
jq,
you left out "It doesn't matter" this time?? :)
August 30, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Exactly, Coldbeer. The Obama supporters can't credibly use the inexperience argument of McCain's vp to their advantage without reinforcing their presidential candidate's inexperience as well. The only argument they have in this regard is touting the 'if then' factor; i.e., that if McCain dies in office, then we'd have an inexperienced president, versus the certainty of an inexperienced president should their candidate win.
As I said in an earlier post, this pick puts the democrats in quite a quandary.
This is a master stroke on McCain's part, sounding many of Obama's own themes against him.
August 30, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
"Sarah Palin - pro-life, NRA member, female, self reliant, hunts, fishes, what the heck else could a real man ask for?"
Yes, that is going to turn off allot moderates and social liberals (like myself) and places like California are now more likely to go Democrat. For the South it may be a good thing, but that's not where McCain should worry about. Though this might work well in the Midwest. Good strategic move? Maybe...but now I know whom I am not voting for!
August 30, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Johndoe, I think you're right about the democrats not capturing both houses. The democrat controlled congress has an even lower public approval rating than does our republican president.
Food for thought, no?
August 30, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
amylrod (anonymous) says...
I think the dems will hold both houses of Congress since a handful of Republicans are not running, and people like Henry Brown will not get my vote, (nor will I vote for Ketner) nor will I vote for Graham ( a no vote) and I expect he will still win since again, people refuse to look at the man but the party.
I am sick of both of them and so are many others. When Dems drop the ball, their supporters still vote for them because they, too, look at the party, not the man. Dems only want to be in power so they can see their constituents kowtow before them, keeping them enslaved to their party.
Dems are the masters, the people are the slaves. IT won't change until everyone experiences loss of freedom, rights, and see their income taxed beyond anything anyone could ever have imagined. It won't be pretty.
August 30, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
"Thats a good thing. we dont need that in the republican party, thats what has had conservative voters so worried about McCain. But now with Palin, the voters that were going to go 3rd party are pulled back in to the Repubs...just what was needed."
Yep, that what we need John Doe, more divisiveness in this country, hell with the rest of the country as long as the extremist are happy!
August 30, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mkris (anonymous) says...
This is a bad thing. Now the Country will go republican - 4 more years and then there wil be no country left. Not everyone is socially conservative. There are moderates and liberals, McSame will polarize this country into two camps, more than now. Race relations will suffer and the consequence of the Republican rule may very well be home-grown terrorism and a go-it-alone foreign policy. This bodes well for facisists.
August 30, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Now, now mkris, rest assured that no matter who is elected, the republic will survice per its brilliant design by our forefather.
Practice some deep breathing and rest easy.
August 30, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
forefathers.
August 30, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
johnq, you have twisted things around. That extremely short YOUTUBE clip does not have Palin saying anything deragatory about Green. It does not even say that Green is a cancer survivor. The radio host is making the negative comments not Palin. Why would a lady who has a child with Down Syndrome make fun of anyone with any physical problems?
August 30, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
I would not call JohnQ insane,, he has shown a rational side at times,,
I do how ever disagree with his politics and I kind of feel sorry that he and others are now stuck trying to support and defend the Obama illusion of "Change and Hope". Obama has now proven he does not represent that which he was trying sell with his pick of Biden as VP. Obama has yet put out a creditable argument as how Biden represents change and hope,,, "Obama also missed an opportunity to do so earlier in the convention by trotting out all the Washington establishment folks (Clintons, Kennedy, Biden, ) as opposed to introducing and showcasing some of the newer, bright, young, up-and-coming "stars" of the democratic party." I could not agree with that more, except to say,, what up and coming "stars" in the Democratic Party?????
Obama has proven to me and millions of others,, that he is nothing more than a snake oil salesman trying to sell an empty bottle of B.S. I feel for those people who bought cases of Obama's snake oil that now sits in the garage taking up space. Do yourselves a favor Obama supporters and pour Obama's snake oil down the drain. Unfortunately Obama did not even have the foresight to package his snake oil in recyclable bottles. So now your stuck with the only choice but to take those empty bottles to an already overflowing land fill:..
I would have to say the Obama bunch blew it....they blew it..They had their chance and they blew it. No actually I do not think he even had a chance but,,,, the future of Obama's candidacy can be summed up with these great words,
It's like passing an accident on the highway - I don't WANT to look, but sometimes I look, and then I feel nauseous and hate myself for exposing myself to that.
August 30, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
john_doe45, Oh, we all know that. I just don't see how he can get so much information out of such a short clip. He honestly must be listening to the voices in his head.
August 30, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
As I've said before to more than one politically liberal poster - those whose posts never fail to deteriorate into name calling, half truths, flawed logic and emotional diatribes:
You never cease to amuse and entertain. Thank you!
August 30, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
guidedbystewart (anonymous) says...
Posted by guidedbystewart on August 30, 2008 at 8:59 a.m.: Yes, that is going to turn off allot moderates and social liberals (like myself) and places like California are now more likely to go Democrat.
"Social liberals always blindly vote democratic. The selection of Palin as a VP running mate has no bearing on that vote."
That's not true ColdBeer, much of California (bay area not included)
is socially liberal and fiscally conservative, same thing can be said about Colorado and Arizona, and you see many of the Republicans and Democrats in these states mirror just that (Swartznegger (whom I actually like) for example socially liberal and fiscally conservative). Give me a Republican like that and I might vote for them.
August 30, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
drp7773 (anonymous) says...
Lets see, she was a concil lady, then a mayor then a gov mmm and exactly what again has Hussein done, As an independent I really hate the choices here but I guess McCain will get my vote.
August 30, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
A direct quote from the author of the link provided by John Q above regarding naked images of Sara Palin:
"'I want to stress these images have NOT been confirmed, and this is just a rumor sent in from a reader. The picture to the right is (mostly) confirmed taken in 1984, of Sarah Palin. I am not sure about the two pictures after the jump at all. Do not take my word for this until you have received more confirmation.'"
Now that's some credible source there, JohnQ.
You never cease to amuse and entertain, JohnQ. Thank you!
August 30, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
It that is really her JohnQ then I think she's hot... sure in the hell would not want to see any naked pics of Hillary... All to do about nothing......I figured you liberals would embrace that free sprit stuff
August 30, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeff61 (anonymous) says...
Sorrry JohnQ,, even people on that site is calling B.S.
"You have got to be kidding me that you think this is real. This pic came from the following website: http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/gos... They are trying to gather real and/or photo shopped pics of her. As you can see by the "naked" eye this pic was definately photo shopped."
August 30, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ConcernedDorchesterCitizen (anonymous) says...
Oh great - we have a vindictive woman who was so upset that her former brother-n-law fired from his job; lied about it; attempted to cover it up
REMIND ANYONE OF BUSH????
Perfect choice for VP
August 30, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
OK y'all......it's a beautiful Labor Day weekend....
PUT THE MOUSE DOWN and go out and enjoy the first nice weekend we have had in two weeks...
And I just ordered my McCain - Palin bumper stickers.
...oh, and another thing...ROLL TIDE, ROLL!!!
August 30, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
This thing with her bil somehow does't fit. It was/is a well known story yet McCain chose her anyway. I am sure the dems will follow that road and find out. But, be careful, there might be an unmarked cliff at the end of that road for you to drive off :)
August 30, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
She says that her former brother-in-law threatened to kill her father, (he said her dad would "eat a f---- bullet") threatened to bring her down, tasored his 11-year-old step-son, illegally killed a moose, drank while on duty, etc. etc. And that when she met with the Commissioner of Public Safety, she said she thought her former brother-in-law was a ticking time bomb. The tasoring and moose poaching were officially investigated and confirmed.
Come on, if you had a brother-in-law like that, who was also a state trooper, wouldn't you want someone in authority to know about his bizarre, violent and illegal behavior?
I'm sure she hated the guy, but I don't think you can play this off as simple petty revenge. The guy does sound scary. As governor, was she just supposed to keep her mouth shut and hope he didn't eventually kill someone?
**********This was Taken From a Blog response in Daily KOS.....If There is any truth to this I would say she wasn't abusing her authority..She was Protecting her family and Citizens of Alaska.
August 30, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Interesting. That was the only valid scenario that I could think of. That in the divorce facts came out that made it obvious that he did not have the proper temperament to be a law enforcement officer. She was also PO the good old boys, including republicans. I didn't want to speculate and appear to be making excuses. Good, bad or ugly the truth will come out.
August 30, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CouncilMan (anonymous) says...
It's amusing to hear all of the rhetoric regarding Palin. No doubt she'll fit right in with the Republican corruption machine with the likes of Libby, Abramoff, Delay & Ney, Gonzales, Brown, Frist, Larry Craig, Bob Allen, Mark Foley, David Hager, Nixon's Watergate, Reagans' Iran/Contra, Neil Bush's S&L Scandal, GHW Bush "No New Taxes", GW Bush, the list is too long from Corporate corruption of Enron and the Security & Exchage Cronies to Katrina and Blackwater to the Iraq fiasco and Abu Ghraib, lack of planning with no exit strategy, not enough troops on the ground, not bringing Bin Laden to justice and a trillion dollar debt that will be passed on to our grandchildren. Yet the Republican "clean machine" won't let anyone forget how the Clinton/Lewinsky affair threatened National Security.
When Phil Gramm talks of a "Mental Recession and a Nation of Whiners", he is merely stating the obvious reflection of the Republican Party. That's what happens when you're desperate, just ask the McPalin hopefuls. The only votes that the McPalin ticket receives will be from privileged and wealthy men who have married the actual Stepford wives.
Otherwise, no free thinking middle class American in their right mind would be foolish enough to ask/vote for another "McBush" Term.
It's time for a significant and refreshing change. One who believes as Thomas Jefferson, "When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
August 30, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
A "free thinking middle class American in their right mind" can recognize the arrogant, condesending, smarter then you, righteous, sanctimonious, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you, only that other group are sinful thieves I am as pure as the driven snow, I must take Your money to give to those that I feel are in need of it because it lessons my unexplainable guilt (oops, strike that last!) ... grandios rhetoric.
Thats how we Try to hold on to the hard earned money We made producing the products that keep the economy going.
August 30, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Sarah Palin has experience without being part of the Washington crowd.
She is refreshing. Is she perfect? Probably not. Show me a perfect candidate for anything.
It is hard to believe that she had her eyes on this job. I believe her motives in accepting this offer are ones of duty & service to her country.
I believe being asked to join McCain's campaign as the VP candidate was about as much of a surprise to her as it was to the rest of us. For some reason, it makes her seem more trustworthy.
August 30, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
That was such a clever & original characterization stand828, did you come up with that all by yourself?
I have a yellow dog democrat friend, who does not like Obama-at all, & can't stand his wife, but she is going to vote for him anyway...just because he is a democrat. Period.
Now this friend of mine is otherwise one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. She held office in local politics in another state & was, at one point, licensed to practice law in at least 3 states.
So, it looks like there are plenty of sheep to expand all sorts of flocks.
BTW, I happened to be registered as an Independent. Just wanted to make that clear.
August 30, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
abitskeptical, stand828 is a black, male lawyer, not that his race, sex, or profession matter, but I find it almost humorous that he would put all people who are anti-Obama under the same generalization. His description of Republicans is the same as if you or I said that all black people are uneducated and on welfare. We know this is not true, but his description bears the same comparison.
Does he not realize that all Republicans are not white? Hence, the Rush Limbaugh and Nascar comments are baseless remarks. Like you, I consider myself an Independent, as I vote for the person not the party.
I look forward to learning more about Gov. Palin, as I agree that she is not only a surprise pick but most definitely a breath of fresh air.
August 30, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
postman01 (anonymous) says...
Moomoo's got it going on!!! Listen to Moomoo!!!
August 30, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
What a laughable post from Stand828. Half truths, insults and an emotional diatribe to boot! I guess that's all you've got if you can't discuss the issues with even a shred of intelligence.
Funny stuff!
August 30, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Stand828:
Your first post today was priceless, as is your weak attempt to make a credible argument about Palin's lack of experience. If Obama is elected president, as you so eloquently stated: 'then we'll have a leader with virtually no experience in government.'
By your own logic, then, Obama is a poor choice for president.
August 30, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
LMAO!!!! stand, I do apologize. I seriously don't know where I got that you were black, not that it would matter to me. I thought that you had posted that fact at one time.
At least you and I do agree on one thing....animals. The four-legged variety that is.
As the kids say, "My bad!"
August 30, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Goodnight RTC, JohnQ, Stand, John Doe, Postman, ChrisPia, RW, TC1, Abitspeptical, Shoelaces, etc.
Sorry if I left anyone out -it's been fun - back at it tomorrow!
August 30, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
roll tide....out of context, but who cares
August 30, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ChrisPia (anonymous) says...
John Q I don't Know all the details. I am pleased Though that she fought corruption in her own party. I am sure things got nasty but I believe she was trying to protect her family during the sisters divorce.It's human Nature and I am not going to fault her for that. She is a Breath of Fresh air. The Infrastructure of Alaska is Financed by alot of her decisions and the people are getting Money back from the oil companies...
As She states "She is the CEO of the People of Alaska and will do things to benefit them".. Could you imagine if SC had someone like her......I know she is not perfect But I just don't think she is Corrupt.I just hope she stays that way and fights for us.
August 30, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
Morning conservatives. I feel good. I feel hopeful, but will restrain excitement as it is still to early to tell.
But it appears that McCains NEW SURGE is working too. :) :)
August 31, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoelaces (anonymous) says...
What a day!!! Sarah Palin is going to give a burst of energy to this fine democratic process. Still going strong..don't have to work tomorrow, AND football was GREAT last night!!!
August 31, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Well, Shoelaces, congrats to your team. I must say as a Clemson fan I was not happy, but I guess I'll have to be a good sport about it. Just hope we'll do better!
John Doe: your prediction about some libs using Gustav was spot on, and unfortunately not that surprising coning from bottom feeders. They are a mean spirited bunch, and Moore is an embarassment to them. But I will also say that I know some liberals who are not as extreme; both sides have their good and bad players.
August 31, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
I know...I was referring to the rank and file liberals - not the power structure or people like Moore. I agree they're everything you've said.
August 31, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
Yes, the extremists are using Hurricane Gustav.
Just saw Sen. Chris Dodd on CNN being so outrageous in his political propaganda concerning Gustav, Katrina & the Repub. convention, that even the generally liberal CNN talking heads took exception to what he said & distanced themselves from his petty & agenda driven point of view.
August 31, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
Well...wouldn't this be some good fodder for McCain ads, i.e., see how low the democrats will stoop?
Character does matter.
August 31, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
MooMoo,
I see democrats angry and righteous all the time, but never embarassed or ashamed. Might have happened I just never saw it.
BTW another plus for Palin. On one Sunday morning news show John Kerry was astounded, "she doesn't even believe human beings cause global warming!!!". That is an accurate quote. Now I'm not sure about global warming one way or the other. But until mankind can at least stop hurricanes, volcanoes, earthquakes, etc., we sure as he!! don't control global warming. China shows how you can really mess up specific areas, but the arrogance of humans controling global warming? Just another fear tactic to gain votes from the weak and fearfull.
August 31, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MooMoo (anonymous) says...
TC1,
I see what you mean about the righteousnes and anger, and I see it too. At the core of the liberal belief system is a basic lack of faith in people's ability to tke care of themselves and solve their own problems. Also, they want to perpetuate government dependence because it's what keeps them in power. They are also typically are very emotional in their thinking; that's why you see so many stoop to name calling, insults, and emotional diatribes when asked the tough questions or when their illogic is pointed out to them.
That being said, I applaud those who keep their cool and can debate rationally. One poster here who usually fits that criteria is GuidedbyStewart. Another in the public arena is Juan Williams of NPR, believe it or not! He is at least resonable. I suspect most of these folks have some leftist tendencies but are more to the center politically.
August 31, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Riptide (anonymous) says...
What happened to all the libs on this board? Are they in group therapy or shock therapy? It's going to be interesting to watch how they're going to carry the water for the Obama bin Biden ticket.
August 31, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
abitskeptical (anonymous) says...
As an independent(albeit w/ conservative leanings), I can say that I have seen the disrespect & immature name calling na-nanny-boo-boo stuff coming from loyals in both camps.
The following comments pertain to forums other than this one, because on here the score of bad behavior coming from both sides seems to be about even.
It does seem, as I watch & listen in other forums, that there is more of an arrogance coming from many liberals about the "stupidity" &/or intelligence of those who do not follow their political ideal & agenda.
This has always struck me as interesting since the democrats like to see themselves as the party of tolerance, respect for others etc.
The arrogance spills over into the attitude that most everyone is too stupid or inept to understand what is best for themselves & the country.
Despite dressing this idea up as care & concern, it often reveals itself for what it is when discussions about differing politics emerge.
This is not true all of the time of course. I have friends who are yellow dog democrats & they try to put their "money where their mouth is" & walk the walk, so when they express their disdain for a conservative view point, I smile & tell them I love them anyway.....
August 31, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc1 (anonymous) says...
abitskeptical,
Your observations express perfectly my observations. But, I was unable to say it so well and calmly. Beyond the obvious their attitude is so infuriatingly insulting to anyone that doesn't agree. Yes, tolerance & diversity is their big strong point, sure, yea, I'll respect you in the morning :)
September 1, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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