NAACP rips 'uncaring attitude'

jojo12 (anonymous) says...

THE TRUTH HURTS!

April 9, 2008 at 2:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

thatguy (anonymous) says...

"...The NAACP became involved in this issue because it's one of equity, said the Rev. Joe Darby, vice president of the Charleston branch. People sometimes erroneously think that the NAACP is involved in matters tied only to black people, he said.;;"

I just can't help but wonder if an African-American person made the same comment as Nancy Cook, would the NAACP be so quick to come to his/her aid to help promote "equity."

April 9, 2008 at 2:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pithy (anonymous) says...

School board Vice Chairwoman Nancy Cook's comment on WTMA-AM last week:

"We're not standing up as people and saying we've had enough of that. We're not paying for another baby, maybe one baby, but after that, we're taking the baby. And maybe you get sterilized. I know that sounds kind of extreme and radical, but we're in times to where - think about America. When is it OK for America not to be No. 1? When did we get out of that?"

Nancy Cook you've got my vote! As long as we continue to tip-toe around these issues and paying for other people's bad choices - we will continue down the path we're on. I admire Ms. Cook for saying what she believes and not sugar coating it.

April 9, 2008 at 2:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pithy (anonymous) says...

And by the way...Well said thatguy. How very true!

April 9, 2008 at 2:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Paul (anonymous) says...

What she said made sense and if the truth hurts, then so be it!

April 9, 2008 at 4:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

proud2bme (anonymous) says...

AMEN!!!!

Way to go Nancy! You will definitely have my vote.

April 9, 2008 at 5:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mogley (anonymous) says...

Careful NAACP the Charleston Cops might put the little hoodies on and come bust ya

April 9, 2008 at 6 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

Darby, Scott and Ford should worry about how to resolve the issue of teen pregnancy and "stop wasting their time going on television to grab headlines...PRETTY MUCH SUMS THEM UP. NO CREDIBILITY AT ALL. WHERE WAS THE OUTCRY WHEN THE REV WRIGHTS COMMENTS WERE MADE? TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T IT NAACP. THESE WERE NOT CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS BY THE WAY AND MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS TOO. EVERY TIME WE SEE A GADSEN GREEN SITUATION OR WATCH THE EVENING NEWS WE CRINGE AT WHAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED, ENDORSED AND FORCED ON THE REST OF US. AN ENTIRE GENERATION IS AT RISK THANKS TO YOU. THE RACIST DOUBLE STANDARD YOU IMPOSE IS SICKENING TO ME.

April 9, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...

No one would be upset if there wasn't some truth to it. The NAACP wouldn't be upset if they didn't feel that it was somehow more pertinent to colored people.

April 9, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

amen t_m_o_t_s!

Her "oh no you didn't" look pretty much sums it up. Preach it in your church Dot because the rest of us ain't buying it! I can't stand Nancy Cook and couldn't believe she is a republican but what she said wasn't racist, insensitive or uncaring. Someone should make the teenage mothers squirm and let them know it isn't accepted in society, just theirs! How many of them every make it off welfare?

April 9, 2008 at 6:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JoanneH (anonymous) says...

While I may not agree with her statement as a public figure, what she is talking about is certainly a problem. I have had students with not one baby but three. A student who has these responsibilities very rarely can be a stellar student. Marginal at best. Attendance becomes a large issue.

It isn't fair to the schools and teachers because of the pressure we are under to educate everyone and meet high standards. How can we if a segment is out on maternity leave or with sick babies?

Should she take it back or apologize? Depends on whether or not she wants to stay where she is. NAACP won't give up. And it doesn't matter that the real focus should be in the black families.

April 9, 2008 at 7:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

disco (anonymous) says...

Dot Scott needs to address what the real problems are with the African American community and stop blaming "white people". It's people like her that makes the NAACP have no credibility whatsoever.

April 9, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reality_woman (anonymous) says...

The NAACP is a bunch of idiots, and they just bring things down on the to African-American population. If the shoe fits then wear it. Seems to me that the person who feels so hard to defend themselves without being accused is guilty. It is time that people take responsibility for their actions and stop thinking that the government should take care of them. Or in the other case, you and me the working hard tax payer.

April 9, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

willx45x (anonymous) says...

There isn't a more racist, backwards, reactionary organization in America than the NAACP. They aren't much better than the KKK when you get right down to it and have probably done more than the KKK has to harm black people. Sad.

April 9, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mansejolly (anonymous) says...

Careful folks--if we don't get at least one post on here soon demanding that Ms. Cook be burned at the stake, the NAACP will start calling the P & C racist!

/Seriously, I wish they'd go away.

April 9, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BulldogTLC (anonymous) says...

Dot said ""Her words are especially offensive in the American South, where poor women were once involuntarily sterilized and often, with prejudice, labeled as unfit mothers because of their color...."

"The NAACP became involved in this issue because it's one of equity, said the Rev. Joe Darby, vice president of the Charleston branch. People sometimes erroneously think that the NAACP is involved in matters tied only to black people, he said. "

So which one is it? Are you involved because of equity or because it is especially offensive to mothers of color? Where are when the black leaders make statements against white america? Oh wait that's the NAACP making those statements.

April 9, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Nonsense (anonymous) says...

I just don't understand how we came to be in such a state - when I was in high school, they didn't allow single parent teen agers to be in school with other students - you had to go finish school at a night school - allowing children to be in school with two and three babies is just rewarding negative behavior. I agree with Ms. Cook, one welfare baby is enough - be responsible for yourself and don't get knocked up. It's too easy to go to the clinic and get free birth control - if you want to be a slut and sleep around.

April 9, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...

I think that mothers on welfare should have to get the depo shot every three months. REGARDLESS OF RACE. If you don't show up on that third month for your birth control, you don't get your check. Generations upon generations are born into the welfare bracket. It's getting out of hand. I also agree about the unfit mothers being sterilized.

Why does the NAACP always have to get involved. Holy Crap, how many people have them on speed dial?! All it takes is for one minority to get offended at what she said, and low and behold, the NAACP rides into town. Who do the whites call when they get offended? Oh wait, we don't call in the re-enforcements.

The truth is the truth. You can't argue with the facts, even though a lot of people try! Sorry if the black community was offended by what Nancy Cook said, but you can't always call in the calvary. No, it seems you can.

April 9, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

suec (anonymous) says...

That picture of Dot Scott hass "bad attitude" written all over it

April 9, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ccfirefighterchick (anonymous) says...

I couldn't agree with Ms. Cook any more than I do right now. I am tired of working my butt of to support my family and the families of those unwilling to support themselves. I stand behind her wholeheartedly in what she said. Nothing was aimed at any particular race. The NAACP needs to pick it's battles a little more carefully. Many people already see them as a group of troublemakers and instigators. This isn't helping their image!

April 9, 2008 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hutch (anonymous) says...

Nancy Cook spoke the truth for that she was condemned.
Sometimes the truth hurts especially when the light
shines on it. "Let the light shine!"

April 9, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

theronce (anonymous) says...

Involuntary sterilization is wrong. It may be time that we, the people and government, stop assuaging our conscience by simply keeping these government subsidized children alive physically while condemning these young, innocent children to lives of poverty and hardship by leaving them with a caregiver that demonstrates a lack of ability and understanding to rear a child by have another that requires our treasure. Everyone can make a serious mistake and most often recover with a little assistance. However, if a mother with one child, both supported by us, has another child requiring further support, then that deliberate act, not accident, should require that we take these children and give them to fellow citizens who do want children and will support them. At that point, we can put the mother off the dole. I have not figured out yet how to deal with the father that has no honor.

April 9, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

realityhurts4real (anonymous) says...

Mouth of the South:

1) I do agree with your thinking that NAACP should NOT be involved.
2) Have you heard Reverend Wright's sermon/speech in its entirety? Or have you heard sound bites?
3) Do you really understand the definition of Racism?

April 9, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

realityhurts4real (anonymous) says...

Mouth of the South:
Couple of things.
1) I do agree with your thinking that NAACP should NOT be involved.
2) Have you heard Reverend Wright's sermon/speech in its entirety? Or have you heard sound bites?
3) Do you really understand the definition of Racism?

April 9, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

granny2 (anonymous) says...

Way to go Nancy, I agree that after 1 child something should be done. I also think that Dot Scott should be the one to step down and go hide under a rock. She always seem to put her nose into everything.

April 9, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

greyrider (anonymous) says...

Too many politicians speak in vague soundbites, are paranoid about political correctness, and as a result, nothing gets solved. Finally, a politician with guts. This was in no way racist, because there are whites that her comments apply to as well.

April 9, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

griff895 (anonymous) says...

Way to go Ms. Cook!! It's about time someone (besides me) spoke up on this outrageous drain on our resources. I'm tired of supporting other people's children generation after generation, as I have been doing for over 40 years. As a hard working, middle class, TAX PAYER, I am forced to pay for the "mistakes" of others. I am proud of Ms. Cook for publicly voicing the truth. If Dot Scott, Joe Darby, etal, were truly concerned, they would adopt some of these children and put THEIR money, not MINE, where her mouth is. I can't vote for Ms. Cook, but I would if I could!

April 9, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

The NAACP reminds me of the KKK, except they use what happened over 200 years ago to justify why it should be legal.

You go Nancy Cook! As soon as I read what you said,I wholeheartedly agreed with you.

I agree ... If a black person said the same thing, NOTHING would have been said.

NAACP is completely racist!!

April 9, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

prosperous_hb (anonymous) says...

Does anyone know if Mrs. Coook specifically called out a race of people or did she just make her comment? If she didn't call out a race, I don't see what the problem is here.

April 9, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

I for one am tired of paying for these people to ( a nicer way to say it) sleep with each other . Be they black browm yellow red or even purple for that matter. I knew three was enough for our family and i got my husband neuted LOL. When he passed away a 11 years ago I knew i was still able to get that way and circumstace may arise i got spayed LOl Why cant others know that if you can afford 2 or more children dont have them use BIRTH CONTROL of some sort my taxes are paying for your indicreations.

April 9, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ssob (anonymous) says...

What is the old saying " If you can't feed them don't breed them" I agree, Why is the NAACP getting involved, they pick and chose what fight they want to get into or which is the most controversial and then put their 2 cents worth. I for one don't care what the NAACP says anymore, every time they are involved it is the same song and dance all I hear is blah, blah, blah same old same old why is everone always picking on me................

April 9, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tmh32 (anonymous) says...

The NAACP is a RACIST org' that needs to be disbanded. Period. Mrs. Cook was right on with her comments. Personally, if a woman has more than 1 child while on welfare then she needs to be 'fixed'. There are such things as birth controle and if they refuse to use any of the many choices available why should tax payers have to foot their bill? While this may not be the norm, I have actually met a woman who had 2 kids and wanted to get pregnant again so her assistance check would be that much more. It really sickened me to hear that. Lets also think about the types of values that the children from these situations learn. The cycle needs to be broken. NOW

April 9, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oceandestination (anonymous) says...

Ms. Cook spoke her mind, about time someone did. We really need to look at the children in these situations, IT ISN'T FAIR TO THEM, they are the ones that suffer in these situations. This isn't a racial remark, it applies to all, even men, they are as guilty as women. Having babies left and right and not taking care of a single one. Just because they aren't the ones that got pregnant, doesn't mean they shouldn't be held responsible as well. Here is to responsible mothers and fathers who take care of their kids and no how to say when they have populated this world enough!!!!

April 9, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dmwallac (anonymous) says...

I think Dot Scott should either apologize or resign. Her stereotypical racist views against black people, as seen by her assumption that Cook's comments were aimed at black people, render her incapable of furthering the cause of the NAACP.

April 9, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Interesting. Some of you on this very board reproach NAACP for their seemingly racists stances and yet turn around and refer to black folk as 'COLORED'. For those of you who seem so inclined to speak of an entire race in such derogatory terms, you are no different than those you oppose.

For the record, I certainly empathize with Ms. Cook's sentiments. It is frustrating to see the continued rise in out-of-wedlock births and the manner in which our current govt. seems to encourage the vicious cycle monetarily and with benefits that the rest of us work hard to pay for. I'm sure that Ms. Cook's remarks were born out of the same frustration. Upon further consideration I find her remarks to be rather foolish and not viable. Especially in light of her current council seat campaign. Furthermore the federal Supreme Court has ruled involuntary sterilization to be unconstitutional and I'm sure forced contraceptives would be seen in the same light, at least legally. The same goes with just arbitrarily 'taking' the children away. Most of you out there complain about your rising taxes, just where do you think the money is going to come from when all of these children end up in foster care, group homes and orphanages? In this country there are already tens of thousands of black babies and children in 'the system' with no hope of adoption. There aren't enough foster homes for these kids so many of them stay institutionalized until the age of 18 where they are given for the most part a suitcase, a few hundred dollars and phone numbers of counselors who will try to help them to adjust to the world that they were turned out to. Black families as a whole cannot or will not absorb through adoption that many kids and white people would rather go to Russia, China or South/Central America to adopt babies/children than adopt the Black ones that are already here. I'm just waiting for some of you out there to start mandating abortion like China. That country forces sterilization, abortions & contraception at gunpoint.

April 9, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

katrenavantassle (anonymous) says...

WHAT ROCK DID MS.COOK CLIMB OUT FROM UNDER? "TAKE" SOOMEONES SECOND BABY? IS SHE FROM CHINA? I DONT THINK IT WAS A RACIAL REMARK, BUT A STUPID ONE IN GENERAL.SHE NEEDS TO GET A GRIP AND KEEP HER THOUGHTS TO HERSELF. SHE MAY HAVE JUST LOST HER ELECTION WITH THOSE COMMENTS. NOT EVERYONE IS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE THE PERFECT MARRIAGE AND LIFE. FIRST OF ALL, EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES AND LEARNS FROM THEM. I AM A MAJOR TAX PAYER. SINGLE PARENTS ON THE SYSTEM HAVE TO WORK OR GO TO SCHOOL AND BE INVOLVED IN MANY PROGRAMS TO GET ASSISTANCE. THEY DON'T JUST SIT AROUND, HAVE KIDS AND COLLECT A CHECK...AS SO SUGGESTED. THEY ONLY GET STATE PROVIDED DAY CARE SERVICES FOR TWO YEARS PER CHILD. PERIOD! WORKING AND GOING TO SCHOOL WHILE TAKING CARE OF CHILDREN IS HARD. NOT TO MENTION THE MENTAL STRESS THESE YOUNG WOMEN ARE LIVING WITH DAILY IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ANYONE CRAZY. IT STARTS WITH THE FACT THAT IN SC IT TAKES BOTH PARENTS TO WORK THESE DAYS TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING AND THAT LEAVES THESE TEENAGERS UNSUPERVISED WITH THE TIME ALONE TO MAKE BABIES. OUR STATE MINIMUM WAGE IS A JOKE.
JUST SHOWING CHILDREN THE "PATH" DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK...SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM BY THE HAND AND WALK WITH THEM ON THAT PATH, BUT YOU CANT DO THAT IF YOU HAVE TO WORK TO LIVE. THIS IS THE PENALTY FOR SOUTH CAROLINA'S LOW PAY SCALES AND TERRIBLE SCHOOL SYSTEM. BUT DON'T BLAME THESE SINGLE PARENTS FOR AN ALREADY FAULTED SYSTEM IN SC!!!
VOTE THIS YEAR AND GET THESE UNWANTED PEOPLE OUT!!

April 9, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

CONTINUATION:

Instead of lashing out, a logical & comprehensive revamping of the system as it stands should be implemented. PREVENTION is the key. It will take time, but if you cut off the money after the first child then the incentive to NOT have additional children will develop on its own. Cut off food stamps. Only allow for health care for the child itself not the parent. Give enforceable time limits on monetary benefits to include public housing. Before getting any assistance name the father of the child and submit to paternity testing. Enforce child support enforcement laws already on the books.

Furthermore stop letting extreme far right conservatives, the uber Christians highjack every attempt at teaching these children the truth about sex, STDs and pregnancy. Emphasize abstinence as the only 100% prevention but also be real about consequences and prevention in regards to the behaviors they are already exhibiting. We also need to rip into the far left liberals who want to coddle these people and offer excuses for this behavior. For far too long liberals have not owned up to their responsibility in this crisis and they've also held the level of expectations lower and lower for minority children and adults. And as a result our society is reaping what was sown.

I reiterate, Nancy Cook's remarks were born out of frustration. I get that. I even share in it. But this rally call to rip out 'colored' peoples reproductive organs is one, not going to happen and two is truly an act of futility.

April 9, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

katrenavantassle (anonymous) says...

GO ARCHDUDE!!!
STERILIZE HER MOUTH!! LOL!!!

GOOD ONE!

April 9, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buttercup (anonymous) says...

I agree with all most everyone on this thread. The ones who think that Ms.Cook is wrong then let them take care of these children or keep their mouths shut. I for one am tired of taking care of children that are not mine. Gas prices and food prices are so out of hand I don't understand how the working class can take care of their families let alone someone else's. Where is it going to stop!!!! Children having children.

April 9, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rubin882 (anonymous) says...

As a retired military soldier of twenty-four years (Army) a leader should know how to express there concerns without use improper language. How would you feel if your children took on the same attitude when expressing there views with others using the same language they got from Mom or Dad? If we continue to reward bad behavior what type of examples we as adults and parents would be setting for our children. Let's get real! The more we support issues like this the more our children will continue to behavior in the manners that they do because they are so use to hearing adults disrespect each other. The following are core ethical values that we sometime forgot:

Trustworthiness
Be honest • Don't deceive, cheat or steal • Be reliable - do what you say you'll do • Have the courage to do the right thing • Build a good reputation • Be loyal - stand by your family, friends and country

Respect
Treat others with respect; follow the Golden Rule • Be tolerant of differences • Use good manners, not bad language • Be considerate of the feelings of others • Don't threaten, hit or hurt anyone • Deal peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements

Responsibility
Do what you are supposed to do • Persevere: keep on trying! • Always do your best • Use self-control • Be self-disciplined • Think before you act - consider the consequences • Be accountable for your choices

Fairness
Play by the rules • Take turns and share • Be open-minded; listen to others • Don't take advantage of others • Don't blame others carelessly

Caring
Be kind • Be compassionate and show you care • Express gratitude • Forgive others • Help people in need

Citizenship
Do your share to make your school and community better • Cooperate • Get involved in community affairs • Stay informed; vote • Be a good neighbor • Obey laws and rules • Respect authority • Protect the environment
________________________________________

April 9, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

thomaskn (anonymous) says...

Cook's comments were racist. The NAACP is on their job. But what is really troubling is that not only is Cook's comments racist but the majority if not all of these comments are racist. Just as troubling is that I work with you racists, shop at WalMart with you, and ride the bus with you. It is no wonder the difficulty crossing over and befriending you. Your attitudes are as attitudes of slavery times. It is time to put all this bull behind us. There are bigger fish to fry, global warming, the economy, China's increasing power, and of course education in America. These problems are not going away, nor will white America be able to solve them alone. We are all going to have to pull in the same direction if we as a nation, can expect to endure. Say this with me, "Yes it is me oh Lord, standing in the need of prayer." and let's get to work.

April 9, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mypointofview (anonymous) says...

Cleary it's the NAACP making the racist presumptions here. Nowhere in Ms. Cook's statement does she direct her comment to a particular race. Who say's she's not talking about white single mothers? I think she is talking about ALL single mothers who take advantage of the "system."

I'm a big believer in helping those who are in real need; I'm not in favor of the government (taxpayer) supporting what has become and "accepted" lifestyle. If you're going to have children, you must be able to support them --- why on earth is that a novel concept?

April 9, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toastchee (anonymous) says...

Well said ColdBeer & katrenavantassle.

The seriousness of the problem does not warrant such a drastic solution. To advocate such a stance is to be incredibly callous to the value of the human rights of the individual.

That said, being a parent imposes a huge responsibility. I certainly don't want to contribute to a system that rewards the wrong behavior. Welfare needs reform, and simple rules can be applied to decide who gets what. Why this is such a mess is beyond me.

April 9, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

thomaskn: Why dont your read this again: "We're not standing up as people and saying we've had enough of that. We're not paying for another baby, maybe one baby, but after that, we're taking the baby. And maybe you get sterilized. I know that sounds kind of extreme and radical, but we're in times to where - think about America. When is it OK for America not to be No. 1? When did we get out of that?"

NO WHERE in there is a racist comment. I only see that she is saying that people are having babies that can't afford it. Your comment is completely ignorant.

As for slavery times, I am POSITIVE that you are too young to remember back 200 years ago for what they really went through. So STOP USING the "S" word. It is so overused. No one cares for what happened back then, but GET OVER IT!!!

NAACP is just like the KKK. Ignorant!! They need to use their energy on bigger issues.

April 9, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CHRISJIII (anonymous) says...

After reading many of these remarks it's a shame that forced sterilization did'nt take place a lot sooner!!! How stupid can this Cook woman be to make such an asinine statement and then turn around and seek public office? All of these posts that are targeting unwed Black women who are having babies need to realize that there are a lot more white women out there having babies out of wedlock than any other group.

April 9, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jkjb3 (anonymous) says...

I applaud Ms. Cook and am sorry that her realistic attitude - not uncaring attitude - has caused her professional life, and I imagine her personal life, such grief. My opinion, as apparently it is many other of the responders, is that we - as a MAJORITY - are sick and tired of seeing the words "freedom", "rights", and "liberty" being streched to the "nth" degree JUST to make something seem "ok" or "justified". I am certain that our founding forefathers are just rolling in their graves screaming "NO.... WE DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY"..... And the fact of the matter is, we have had enough of "justifications" to be irresponsible! What scares me is that people just don't get that!!! The irony is that the freedoms and rights that made our county so GREAT are going to be the same freedoms and rights that make us "not so GREAT".. Don't get me wrong - I still love being an American and I am proud of our military and proud of our country. But, I don't like "just getting by" - I like to be the BEST at whatever I do! And her comments parallel my thoughts - when did we become a joke?

April 9, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCforpeace (anonymous) says...

I am all for helping someone in need as long as they are willing to help themselves as well. The point of welfare is to use it to help you get to a point where you don't need it anymore. GET AN EDUCATION, GET A JOB, and GET A CONDOM...it's not rocket science, just common courtesy to all hard working tax-payers. The system is abused and we continue to hand these people free grocery money so they can hop in their Lexus and drive to the Grocery store. I'm tired of it. It's a vicious cycle that will never end unless people stop defending their right to breed however many children they want and instead discipline them for their irresponsible actions. This is not a small problem, it's huge..the money spent on people who abuse the system could be spent on people who actually need it, use it and get off. The worst part of all of it, is that the children we are referring to, are learning how to do the same...and so it continues...

April 9, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...

White America? Black America? What the hell ever happened to just plain, old AMERICA?
Why don't the blacks and whites work (here we go...say it with me...) TOGETHER to solve problems? Why is everything a racial issue?
If you were offended by her comments, go cry about it! I sure as hell get offended with the majority of the comments made about "white americans" and how we control the country and blah blah blah. If you are concerned about white america controlling the country, get off your asses and VOTE. The majority of Charleston is black. Yet, when voting time comes along, where is the majority of the population?
Teenage pregnancy is not only a black problem. Teenage pregnancy has no race.
And yes, unfit parents should not be able to make babies all they want and expect us to pay for them. I scrape by trying to feed my ONE child. How is it fair that I have to work doubly hard to pay for all the other babies out there?! GET A JOB, or even two like the rest of us!

April 9, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bigwhip (anonymous) says...

After reading all of these comments, all I can say is WOW! How about the P & C running a poll of some kind on this issue. It appears that the local NAACP leadership has been handed their butts on a 40 foot serving table.

April 9, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

toastchee (anonymous) says...

Just remember, this serves as another distraction while the scum in Washington send our boys to die for a lie. Work up that frenzy!

April 9, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Weeeee (anonymous) says...

Cook's comments have far more to do with population and welfare control than racism. MAYBE I could understand if she specifically said "black people on welfare having children" or something similar, but she didn't.

Thomaskn, your comments are ignorant and ooze with hatred. You actually try to camouflage it with some nonsense about other issues which makes me laugh.

For the record, I'm not racist. I do, however, have a problem with the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc being allowed to spread their message of hate.

April 9, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Archdude ... It is not like she is getting a NAZI organization together and preparing to sterilize right away.

It basically is a comment saying "STOP HAVING BABIES IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT." I work in the medical field. For example, I will have patients come in that drive a Lexus or a BMW with all sort of jewelry and their hair colored and styled that I could never afford. Then they hand the front office a Medicaid card!! So we are paying for their children while they get to live the UNEMPLOYED lifestyle. This was daily several times a day that I saw this.

What am I doing wrong? WORKING?? Not right whatsoever. Her comments may have been unethical, but not racial. At least she is woman enough to say how she feels publicly.

What do we do? Comment back and forth on here. Why don't we get a support group together in person and see what we can do?? Doubt many will agree to that.

April 9, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Archdude, I must say that I do agree with your comment about the P&C. I do agree wholeheartedly.

April 9, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

I agree w/ you, but the sad part ... the way she said it is what got attention and that is what is needed. The bottom line is that something needs to be done about it.

You know what will happen? The NAACP will mask this over with their allegations and it will be dropped to the way side.

That is what always happens. :-(

April 9, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

gengstrom (anonymous) says...

Does anyone notice a pattern here? With few exceptions, comments such as those made by Ms. Cook will invariably motivate an advocacy group to demand that the unenlightened commenter issue an apology, tender their resignation, be required to sensitivity training, etc. for expressing their "offensive" comments. This popular tactic, at once, has the effect of branding the commenter as offensive, while the media assists in turning the matter into a referendum on the person making the comments rather than one on the behavior the commenter was calling into question. According to the article, Ms. Cook has the requisite background and experience to know something about the subject on which she was commenting. Ms. Cook's obvious frustration with the behavior she was criticizing (a sentiment likely shared by a considerable portion of her constituency) could have been issued with more tact. The fact remains however, that the important issues Ms. Cook raised will continue to be ignored while special interests and their accomplices in the media further establish the right of the nameless individuals she was critical of to not be offended. Free speech has become only free for some. For the politically incorrect, the cost of speaking is an almost certain attack on their character. Thank God for those who are willing to pay such a price!

April 9, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blondjes (anonymous) says...

How dare they try to label Cook a racist, nothing she said was racist, she was speaking her mind and not falling into all of this politically correct nonsense, teen pregnancy SHOULD NOT be accepted in our society, if you can't take care of a baby you shouldn't be having them! Nancy Cook has my vote! Way to go Nancy! NAACP is an extremely racist organization, nothing they have done in our schools has helped

April 9, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

gococks1985 (anonymous) says...

Well my co-worker just passed gas, it smells horrible and she did not even mutter the first excuse me or oops..I'm sorry. I am wondering if the NAACP will get involved in this for me.

April 9, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCforpeace (anonymous) says...

ChasCarolinaGirl....your comment about women coming in to the office driving a Lexus and with their hair done, but using medicaid is exactly what gets me....how can they drive up in a Lexus to DSS and still walk away with free money from the government? If you can't afford healthcare for your children or food on the table...then drive a beater and wear a wig until you can. As for whether or not it's a racial issue...it's definetely not...the lazy and selfish come in a variety of skin tones.

April 9, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Newt. Im really not angry. Just disappointed in the system as many of us are and it just seems that it is way out of control.

thomaskn is actually the angry one!

;-)

April 9, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

LOL!!!! I agree with you SCforpeace. Isn't is something!! You are right and let me restate this in case the NAACP is reading it. "The lazy and selfish come in ALL skin tones!" So true.

April 9, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Early: your assessment of predominantly Black churches is extremely bigoted, prejudicial and wholly ignorant. You see a man on a video spewing nonsense and you have the GALL to say "every time I pass a black church I cringe because they are preaching like Obama's preacher, and I work with these folks and I go to Wal-Mart and see these folks. I think this is a more true statement than the one you proposed."

Well you can certainly kiss my big toe!

Just because you don't see a plethora of Black pastors pontificating in front of a news camera denouncing Rev. Wright, doesn't mean that they aren't doing so in the pulpit. Instead on giving out 45 second news bites, most Black pastors and their congregations are running soup kitchens, after-school programs, health fairs, fund-raisers for college scholarships, transporting elderly and the infirm to medical appointments, etc.

I'm sure there are some pastors out there spewing hate and ignorance and some of their parishioners lapping up the kool aid. But the majority of churches headed and/or mostly attended by Blacks does not subscribe to that nonsense and do far more within their communities than they seek credit for.

I consider your statement to be asinine and you being ugly for saying it.

April 9, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

yeayea (anonymous) says...

The rapper Old Dirty Bastard took MTV to the New York welfare office in a limo, and got his check. He was a rapper, he made millions. So let's just say it's not impossible to drive a Lexus up to the office with medicaid.

April 9, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Narnie (anonymous) says...

rubin882, Your comments were not lost on me. Amid the cacophony of vapid argumnents, yours stands out as the voice of reason amid the clutter of useless human opinion. Thank you for your post. I for one, will put it on my refridgerator and read it instead of wasting my time on any more of these useless threads that the sensationalist Compost and Courier litters the paper and internet with.

April 9, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

Check out the poll results so far today.
I didn't hear Ms. Cook single out any race.
By the NAACP creating an uproar over this they are only succeeding in making this look like black people are the only guilty ones.
They have raised their hands and drawn the attention to themselves.

April 9, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oceandestination (anonymous) says...

archdude.... I think Cook is Jewish... so saying she is a NAZI isn't probably the case.

April 9, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Newt, I understand what you are saying. At the same time, I believe that something needs to be done instead of talking about it.

Do you know how many women use ABORTION as birth control? Ive heard girls say "Oh if I get pregnant, I will have an abortion". Those types of ignorant people are ALL OVER! If people just kill babies b/c they dont want them, what is wrong with sterilizing them after they have had so many abortions? You may be surprised about how many use it as birth control. Its disgusting, selfish and very sad.

No, there is no way of choosing, but SOMETHING needs to be done somehow someway. It really does.

I would rather much sterilization be more of an option than abortions used for birth control. Even if that were an option, which I doubt fingers would be pointed to see who should be sterilized.

April 9, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CarolinaWren (anonymous) says...

The ability to speak our mind is our right under the Freedom of Speech written in our Constitution. Imagine being too frightened by the possible consequences of speaking out to do so. Ms Cook was not afraid to speak out. Now there are those who want to hang her and others who admire her. I also do not understand what role the NAACP believes they have. In her statements she did not point her finger to any specific race. In my option it is the NAACP who is pointing their finger when they decided to become involved . This should not be made into a racial issue. It is a problem that all of us need to deal with. It will not just go away if we continue to look the other way. We all need to ask what we all can do to better educate our youth so they will not fall into the same scenario and have to depend on handouts and welfare in the future.

April 9, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

LowCountry Moose ... Are you are part of the KKK or the NAACP? Same organization if you ask me.

Grow up!

April 9, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pompusmaximus (anonymous) says...

Yeah the welfare queens who have 5 kids with them will come into the pharmacy with Medicaid deferments. They will also have beautiful nail jobs, very fashionable clothes and drive away in an Expedition with rims. This is what pisses me off.

I actually lean to the left when it comes to most politics but this is where I draw the line. I may not agree with Nancy Cooks political philosophy but I support her AND her sterilization comments.

April 9, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Im w/ you pompusmaximus! :-)

Debates are always fun, but I do not mean any harsh feelings.

April 9, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

OldSalt (anonymous) says...

It is frequently and often said in private, but no one, no one, in public life has the courage, and financial independence, to talk about the aggregate drain on our societal resources by a 70% illegitimacy rate among African-Americans.

I wonder if the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or any of the so-called Black Liberation theologians, has ever addressed THAT and, if they have, found a way to blame this too on Europeans, Hispanics, Asians, Jews or the United States.

April 9, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

would someone point out the racist part of ms Cooks statement please i cant find it

April 9, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oceandestination (anonymous) says...

Thomas1776 what is your point?? And by the way, What is your REAL name so everyone can look you up.... Are you her opponent in the Charleston Co Council Race... Seems like you sure want her business on the street.....

Anyway, I have not always been a fan of hers, but I think that her work with the homeless shelters and her voice on the school board have given her a decent record.

April 9, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Thomas1776 ... Why dont you show Ms Dots address and such? Im sure she doesnt live in poverty.

April 9, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Lets all get together for a happy hour! We have all bonded so well. lol

April 9, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

prioleau (anonymous) says...

Some time ago, I ran into an old girlfriend that I hadn't seen in some time. Her conversation had not changed in years; she literally began talking about the same stuff we discussed since our last meeting years earlier. It was like time stood still in her world.

Charleston is just like that old girlfriend. During my travels, I have lived in or spent time in numerous cities in this country; LA, Chicago, DC, Hawaii, etc. I always keep tabs on whats going on back at home. No other city, large or small, manages to get their britches up in a bunch over stupid comments the way Charleston does. The blacks and whites in Charleston yet refuse to get on the same page. Black folks brand everything as racist even if it isn't, and white folks are just as unlikely to admit discriminatory practices or connotations even when obvious, while assuming that all blacks are far to sensitive.

Hello Charleston, it's 2008. Can we begin giving each other the benefit of the doubt sometime soon? When can we start considering content before we jump to default contextualizations? As for Ms. Cook, she misspoke in the worst way, and may have even betrayed her personal feelings on the matter with her words. Sorry Ms. Cook, but what you said is what you said. At the same time Ms. Scott, can you honestly tell us that you haven't had enough of the social irresponsibility that is rife in our society? And frankly, what has the NAACP done about any of it?

Is there any hope for this city?

April 9, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

Just curious, how much do these baby mill ladies make, per month, per child? Also, since many seem to be pumping out babies as a source of additional income, shouldn't they be required to obtain a business license? After all, this is a "for profit" enterprise, right?

I am sure that many are legitimately living off of this welfare system and truly love and care for their children. At some point, those folks will turn their situations around and return to the mainstream population.

Then, there are those who will remain in the system for their entire lives. Pumping out more and more babies because they just gotta have that new furniture/TV/SUV/satellite dish/etceteras. These are the ones that need the business license.

Sadly, there is an old joke where the mother has ten kids, all named Billy. When asked what she does if she wants only one specific kid to respond to her call, she replied "then I use their last name.............".

April 9, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WAres (anonymous) says...

eyfigueroa wrote...

Black families as a whole cannot or will not absorb through adoption that many kids and white people would rather go to Russia, China or South/Central America to adopt babies/children than adopt the Black ones that are already here. I'm just waiting for some of you out there to start mandating abortion like China. That country forces sterilization, abortions & contraception at gunpoint.

I agree with some of what you say regarding biggoted comments on this thread; however, I completely disagree with your characterization that white people won't adopt these children because they are black.

1-these poor children in the system are not all black
2-color doesn't matter, please note that most internationally adopted kids are of color
3-Domestic adoptions are challenging, ridiculous gov't regulations are often prohibitive. (You can raise your biological child in squallor, but adoptive parents have to pass restrictive fire and health inspections just to mention a few)
4-Too many cases of adoptive parents losing their children because the biological parent changes their mind,or, better yet, "I just heard my old girlfriend had a kid two years ago"
5-Most internationally adopted kids have NO CHANCE in life in their home country. Whereas, in America, even kids in the system have a chance to get out of povery.

April 9, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

excater (anonymous) says...

Everyone who thinks she should apologize should spend 1 week in any school in North Charleston, or the lower part of N. Charleston leading into downtown, and then they would certainly change the tune they sing so loudly...DISCRIMINATION! HA!!!!- You make your own bed, be ready to lay in it. OUR SCHOOLS SUCK!. There's no two ways about it. White people who live near these areas, and have to send their children to these failing schools have just as much trouble as the Blacks who seem to think they are the only target here. If you have stepped foot inside of any of these schools you would see who the minority is. Give me a break, I have to sacrifice every week to pay for private school for my children because the schools I am given to send my children to are HORRIBLE!. AND I totally blame the lame, maladjusted, lazy (black, white, asian, hispanic) parents of these children that help make our schools so terrible. I grew up on James Island and went to school all the way through High School on the Island- and that was only 15 years ago. Nothing is the same once you cross that $ barrier, since it seems that how the school board and its people set up the schools. The more money thrown around, the better education you can receive--what a rip off for our children. I didnt hear Nancy say only sterilize black people, she made a generalized statement-and I think she was SPOT ON!. I pay for every kid who's parent is on welfare anyway and I dont care what color they are. If you cant pay for your actions, then dont ACT!. A lesson that every person needs to be taught-maybe we wouldnt have so many degenerate children in our society today! GO NANCY!! I dont see Dot Scott actively doing ANYTHING to make ANYTHING, ANY AREA, OR ANY PERSON better, so who is she to make demands. She needs sensitivity and diversity training. I have sat at many a meeting that she was attending, and she is all about how ill treated black people are...woo is me, oh wooo is me!!

April 9, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

well in that case early, i'm glad i didn't post how i really felt.

April 9, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCforpeace (anonymous) says...

This is not directed for the few exceptions of good people helping themselves on welfare, this comment is for those who make a living off the rest of us: Call it racist, call it unethical....but why aren't we doing something about welfare fraud?? They are stealing from us as we speak. As they sit at home, watching tv, yelling at six kids and complaining about how poor they are(but refusing to work)we are busting our behinds to go to work and provide a life for our families, only to finally get tired enough to say something and then be called racist for doing so. The race card is over....racism will never go away...NOT EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH WOMEN BREEDING CHILDREN THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD AND LIVING OFF TAXPAYER'S MONEY ARE RACIST!! An individual should be labeled as a racist, not a specific "color."

April 9, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

easyridr (anonymous) says...

Why does this not surprise me?
With the NAACP anything can racial..
I heard the comment several times and I'm not hearing what they are. I know alot of young people black and white that the comment could have been for.

April 9, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mbhagwood (anonymous) says...

The citizens of Berkeley, California recently protested and petitioned to have the United States Marine Corps Recruiting Station removed from their city. I am a former Marine and this makes me sick. I personally believe that we should petition to have the NAACP, a racist organization, which has done more harm than good, removed from the City of Charleston. If anyone agrees, let me know and I will get this started immediately.

my email is: mbh2004@yahoo.com

Thanks

April 9, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

I once went to a church that i dearly loved he preached on God and Love but one sunday he started preaching about the middle east and he made a derogitory statement he called them towel cruaniums cant say the real word i got bleeped) needless to say i left that church and never returned so if black or whit preachers are preaching racist ways this is wrong but like I said where is the remark that is racist cant find it

April 9, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KidYendor (anonymous) says...

Sterilization is a good solution and the legislators should get on the ball with it. Send a quick email to your legislators and Congressman today and print a small sign from your computer printer to tape to your car rear window "STERILIZE WELFARE QUEENS" to let people who are anti-welfare know you are too.

April 9, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

prosperous_hb (anonymous) says...

The NAACP needs to re-group itself b/c they clearly are not what they should be. From what I read, Cook comments was not directed to any specific race. Therefore, what the NAACP should do is address the issue with the churches and other community organizations so that they can attempt to resolve the problem.

April 9, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nochasgirl (anonymous) says...

I don't normally comment to a specific person, so I won't start now. Since an early post referred to a particular term as being racist, I am just curious what you think NAACP stands for?

As for forced sterilization, yeah, I'm not sure about that. But there should be a limit of children for whom you can collect welfare benefits. There are long-term birth control methods that are not permanent, which should be mandatory after 1 or 2 children. I love children, but I am not a manufacturer, nor a baby breeder, I am a mother. I care for my children and I provide for them. That is what a family is about.

April 9, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

wares: I agree with some of what you said about the bureaucracy of the adoption process. It is cumbersome and time consuming not to mention expensive. But as far as your statement "color doesn't matter, please note that most internationally adopted kids are of color" color may not matter but apparently ethnicity and race does. Thousands of babies and children are adopted from Eastern Europe, Asia, Central and South America. You don't see white couples clamoring for the hundreds of thousands of African babies left orphans due to war and disease.

As many who regularly read my posts know, I cannot stand race baiters either black or white. Racism is NOT around every corner. And I'm also a firm proponent for personal responsibility and the idea of the Black community looking within itself for answers to its many problems.

With that said it is naÃive to believe that we should just take these Black babies and children and believe that they will be adopted. The statistics just don't support that. White babies/children are far more likely to be adopted than Black babies. Incidentally White babies are in short supply and entire industries have been created to help White couples adopt outside of the US. Does that mean White couples are inherently racists? Perhaps some of them, but not most. But I do find it interesting that many will go anywhere but Africa or even the inner city to adopt babies and children. In a post the other day I mentioned people having an affinity for people of their same race/ethnicity. I still stand by that. I suppose that explains the dearth of prospective adoptive parents for Black children or how so many couples go to other nations to adopt?

Just arbitrarily taking children away from welfare parents will not solve anything. Children should be taken away from bad parents regardless of socio-economic status. Other means of stemming this real-world problem must be devised.

April 9, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Girleygirl (anonymous) says...

Mrs. Cook was very tacky with her comments I don't care what race she was referring to or speaking about.

April 9, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...

This coming from a woman who made a big stink about black Santas????

April 9, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

if you have accsess to an MLS listing you can find anyones address

April 9, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

nochasgirl: since I have the courage to address you directly, I will tell you this:

I'm no supporter of the NAACP; I find their moniker much less tactics to be outmoded, outdated and frankly irrelevant. They hold on to that name as a historical banner however I feel its time has come and gone.

Calling Black people colored is at best ignorant and at worst very telling of the speaker's true feelings about people of color.

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to address me as such you will find yourself ignored and pitied. Just as I ignore all things of irrelevance and pity those who do not know any better.

April 9, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

No Newt, it is a fact that it is used as birth control. Not always, no but it is really, really sad. There are many girls who will tell you that they have used it as birth control and will continue to do so.

Hint hint * Im in the medical field, so I know first hand. :-(

April 9, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mbhagwood (anonymous) says...

Sterilization is NOT the solution for this growing problem. However, the issue at hand is not her suggested solution, it is the problem, which is the growing number of people on welfare and our continued support of them. I'm tired of struggling to take care of my own family while supporting theirs. That is the issue. The NAACP brought racism into this, NOT Nancy. I don't agree with her solution, but I agree with her statement that it is a problem. We need to do something about the welfare problem NOW! And, we need to do something about the NAACP causing more problems than they fix...NOW!

April 9, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MBass151 (anonymous) says...

Well, here we go again, the NAACP has taken a general comment and twisted it to suit their sickening need to keep people fired up and fuel hatred. I am not from the South but I have lived here a very, very long time and I fully comprehend EXACTLY what the NAACP not only stands for but promotes. To you Dot Scott - just what exactly does the term "American South" mean anyway? I take offense to that, my skin may not be the same color as yours but it sounds to me like you just slapped a label on a certain group of "women" and YOU are getting away with a racial slur because you are the President of the NAACP. Your use of the words "American South" does not promote progress, integration or anything else. It is a term that implies that the rest of the nation should look down on the poor people of the South because "we be too stoopid and unejumacated to better ourselves."

Nancy Cook's comment was her opinion. Whether you like it or not she is entitled to it. Her choice of words were no different than the choice of words Dot Scott used. If you are going to get fired up over one you really should be getting fired up over both.

To you Nancy Cook - nicely done, you stood up and spoke an opinion you are entitled to- some will agree with you some not.

To you Dot Scott - Get your priorities straight and stop using the NAACP to back handedly support and promote racial tension in this country. If you put nearly as much effort into "real" issues you may have a pretty good group but you don't. You are very much like the KKK, racial and dangerous - to everyone.

April 9, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KidYendor (anonymous) says...

Hello Arch,
The members of the welfare state are a segment of the population created for political gain by LBJ's administration. We were a rich country then. Now we are broke and the welfare state he created is a nightmare and it must end. The welfare mothers must be reigned in. Their lifestyle is not normal and it is not right for government to take from the working class to provide all living, eating, and hospitalization for a class of people totally dependent on government. Welfare moms who get pregnant again can refuse sterilization and permanently opt out of welfare. The IRS's taking my money from me to support women I do not have sex with and their children is oppressing me and interfering with me. The welfare state is oppression of the heinous most kind on all working Americans and it must be ended and sterilization is a good start. Read all the posts here Arch and see how mad people are and will support sterilization.

April 9, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Jane: you are incorrect. No one on this board said or implied that they were insulted by the phrase "people of color". Quite the opposite. I prefer that statement if it refers to people who aren't white. I find people calling Black people 'colored' to be offensive.

As early reminded me today, please read the posts carefully before posting responses to them.

April 9, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WAres (anonymous) says...

eyfigueroa

You really don't get it. Most Adopting families do not see race as an issue as you would suggest.."You don't see white couples clamoring for the hundreds of thousands of African babies left orphans due to war and disease." YES I DO!!!

FYI: The US government and the UN open and close countries to the adoption community. African countries have just very recently been opened to US adoption. You make generalized statements that you know nothing about. As a matter of fact, people are flooding to Africa to save these children.

I have read many of your comments and I believe you to be intelligent and articulate. However, you are trying to put a racial spin on the adoption angle that is unfair and untrue. Please stop coloring the adoption community with this racist brush. If the system of domestic adoption were improved, streamlined and the adoptive parents protected, many families adopting internationally would actually prefer the less expensive course of domestic adoption!!!

April 9, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

AHLeland (anonymous) says...

I am not sure if this has been brought up, but has anyone heard that medicaid WILL NOT pay for a mother to have her tubes tied - even if she asks? Even if she has just had her 6th child? They will continue to provide free birth control though. I know two people who were case workers for medicaid. They both left because they couldn't stand the way things worked.
It is ludicrous. The system is beyond repair.

April 9, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Oh My Gosh! Well, you do not like the term "colored". How pathetic is that? Im called white, but Im more tan w/ freckles. Come on!!! That is so pathetic.

I assume that you would prefer African American? A friend of mine is a true African. Did you know that they have to have a high school diploma to work at McDonalds? She said that she felt that it was a disgrace for lazy and stupid black people to call themselves AFRICAN American when they couldn't even survive in Africa.

Come on people. Like Jane said about Morgan Freemans quote..that was awesome. "Quit talking about it."

April 9, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

wares: you are painting me with a racial brush. I shrug off your insinuation of what I was trying to say. There is no 'spin'. I stand by what I say.

Obviously you do not understand what I was saying. You are completely unaware of my breadth of knowledge concerning this particular topic. I know of what I speak. Unlike many of my fellow posters I neither speak anecdotally nor make up stats. I either know what I'm talking about or I take the time to do actual research, analyze the information and make informed observations. Again I stand by my statement

Like the NAACP, if you have a problem with what was said perhaps you or someone you know must feel somehow guilty over it. For that has to be the reason for you to so vehemently insist upon me being wrong.

Again, as my fellow poster Early has to remind me on occasion, read the posts CAREFULLY before responding to them. If you had done so, you would have noticed how much of what you wrote I wholeheartedly agree with.

By the way, for all of us Blacks, Hispanics, Whites and any other ethnicity/race, just because someone says something about a racial issue that happens to be true, it doesn't mean that the person is hell bent on either putting a 'racial spin' on a subject or that they are racist, bigoted or prejudiced.

April 9, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LocalTruth (anonymous) says...

enough already!

April 9, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

It was not directed at you allwoman, but this is. Its just that all of this is really pathetic.

The reason for this article is being overlooked. The reason's for Nancy Cook's comment is being overlooked, whether people agree or disagree with her comment.

Just like the NAACP, the racist remarks are not needed in this blog over and over.

What is needed is a solution to keep people from having babies if they cannot afford them.

It is pathetic to be picky about what people are called b/c no matter what your opinion or anyone else says, you will be called whatever anyone wants to call you. You should use that energy towards solutions.

April 9, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mbhagwood (anonymous) says...

This is what happens every time the NAACP steps in. We were talking about a key issue that has a lot of bearing in our society and now we're bickering about what we like or don't like to be called. It's ridiculous. Don't give into what the NAACP wants...as long as they stir up controversy, they play themselves off as victims and that's how they stay in business. Stick to the issue here, which has NOTHING to do with race or the NAACP.

April 9, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Well, it has been enlightening. This blog has turned into a bitch session and its rather redundant.

I really do hope that a solution is found sooner than later.

April 9, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Well said mghagwood!

April 9, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LocalTruth (anonymous) says...

The reason some folks dislike being called colored is because white people sometimes use the word. When whites started using the word, black people started using "women of color" as if white women are colorless. Last time i checked there were white crayons in the box also. Don't ya just hate the broken ones that never stand up on their own? But at the end of the day, it never mattered what color it was, you just hated messing with the ones that were broken. Will we ever say ENOUGH???? racism from the black community has got to stop and perhaps some diversity and sensitivity training should be in order for the racists at the naacp. They are insensitive to all other races, and it seems they are incapable of being diverse. When will they ever embrace being "AMERICAN"???

April 9, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

My_50Cents_Worth (anonymous) says...

Rubin,
I have not posted here is quite some time, but headlines have certainly not changed. The same people and issues make the news. (???????)

I agree with you 100%. My family lives by the six pillars of character from the Character Counts program. We live overseas where my son attends DoDDS. Some folks from my office and I visit the school once a week to discuss each of the pillars with school-aged children.

Believe it or not I was inspired by the hate and dissention that can often be found on any Post and Courier comment board. Based on the feedback we have received from teachers and administrators, our presence makes and have made a difference.

There is hope yet for respectful discussions about touchy subjects such as race, discussions that actually make a difference. There is a great possibility however, it will not occur here.

April 9, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

crazyinlove (anonymous) says...

I find it Absurd that Ms.Dot Scott wants and aplogy when she owes the parents at Calvary Day School and Apology, she told a group of black parents that they need to wash there children with soap" it aint nothing but rain, get some soap" after the charleston city parade and not wanting to move out the way so that the parents could get there children off the float in the rain but when they tried to put her on blast she screamed LAWSUIT!!!! (Defamation of character)what character she she claims that the children were brain washed to believe that she was cursing and acting a fool when in deed that she did!!!!!!!!!!!! But no what does she do beat around the bush and not be women enough to apolgize to them, she needs to step down!!!!!!!!!! She should apologize to them!!!!

April 9, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buttercup (anonymous) says...

Alabama
Judge

Some of you may be wondering what Judge Roy Moore has been doing since he was removed from the bench for refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom wall. Please read the poem he wrote.

The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama. Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom foyer. He has been stripped of his judgeship and now they are trying to strip his right to practice law in Alabama! The judge's poem sums it up quite well.



America the beautiful,
or so you used to be.
Land of the Pilgrims' pride;
I'm glad they'll never see.

Babies piled in dumpsters,
Abortion on demand,
Oh, sweet land of liberty;
your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly
poisoned by cocaine
choosing to indulge their lusts,
when God has said abstain

From sea to shining sea,
our Nation turns away
From the teaching of God's love
and a need to always pray

We've kept God in our
temples, how callous we have grown.
When earth is but His footstool,
and Heaven is His throne.

We've voted in a government
that's rotting at the core,
Appointing Godless Judges;
who throw reason out the door,

Too soft to place a killer
in a well deserved tomb,
But brave enough to kill a baby
before he leaves the womb.

You think that God's not
angry, that our land's a moral slum?
How much longer will He wait
before His judgment comes?

How are we to face our God,
from Whom we cannot hide?
What then is left for us to do,
but stem this evil tide?

If we who are His children,
will humbly turn and pray;
Seek His holy face
and mend our evil way:

Then God will hear from Heaven;
and forgive us of our sins,
He'll heal our sickly land
and those who live within.

But, America the Beautiful,
If you don't - then you will see,
A sad but Holy God
withdraw His hand from Thee.

~~Judge Roy Moore~~



IN GOD WE TRUST!

April 9, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Marianne0558 (anonymous) says...

There IS a solution to keep people from having babies if they cannot afford them-------ready for it.....?

BIRTH CONTROL!!!!! And better yet, anyone can get it for FREE!!!!!! There IS no excuse.

April 9, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

kaseals (anonymous) says...

The NAACP is just like chicken little: they are always screaming the sky is falling! Unfortunatley, once the sky does fall, no one is going to give a hill beans because they're tired of the nonsense. Cook's comment is dead on target. Enough is enough!! Whether you agree with it or not, sterilization is her opinion and she has a right to have it.

Scott, in my opinion, is an idiot who isn't fit to lead an Easter parade let alone an organization that has outlived it's usefulness.

April 9, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Allwoman -

Of course you have a right to dislike what people call you. That is a given. I am doing the same thing that you are...expressing my opinions in an open forum/blog.

Rather than complain over and over, I was just wondering if anyone had any good suggestions or solutions since some people seem to have better ideas that Nancy Cook's idea. Of course its not going to solve "society's ills" but complaining over and over doesnt get anyone anywhere.

In fact, it only irritates people even more and then we all get carried away with our comments.

April 9, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mbhagwood (anonymous) says...

You want a solution?...It's not the main issue of our welfare program, but as we can see here, it is an issue. Let's remove the NAACP from the city. We don't want them here, they cause problems. If California residents can protest to remove the Marine Corps recruiting office, then we can get rid of a special interest group in our community. A lot of my tax paying dollars go to the NAACP as well and I'm tired of that, too.

April 9, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LocalTruth (anonymous) says...

To suggest what one should write is similar to thought control. Heres some advice- Let people write what they want in the name of freedom of speech and expression. Thats what this forum is for. And it is a given obvious that we agree or disagree with opinions. NEXT!

April 9, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mbhagwood (anonymous) says...

Oh yea...and the ACLU...when I'm done with the NAACP...you're next...I don't want my daughter growing up with this kind of trash in the world.

April 9, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Local Truth

"Enough already" ~ Sound familiar?

April 9, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SpongeMunkie (anonymous) says...

Posted by eyfigueroa (anonymous) on April 9, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting. Some of you on this very board reproach NAACP for their seemingly racists stances and yet turn around and refer to black folk as 'COLORED'. For those of you who seem so inclined to speak of an entire race in such derogatory terms, you are no different than those you oppose.
...........................................

The NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. They call themselves colored!!! Is it only racist if a white person uses that term? Look at your statement. Who should you really be questioning? The NAACP should take a long look in the mirror before they start talking about racism. Cooks statements referred to women, not black women specifically. If someone wants to scream about it, shouldn't it be in the name of sexism? I agree with what she said. There are alot of unwanted kids out there who are suffering because their parents won't take personal responsibility.

April 9, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

It is what it is, right?

Although it would be REALLY boring if we all agreed, now wouldn't it?

April 9, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LocalTruth (anonymous) says...

It is not against the law to be offended or stereotyped. Alot of blacks (more than whites) love frankie beverly featuring maze. Alot of whites (more than blacks) love tammy wynette with special guest, George Jones. SO WHAT? is it a sin to know about each others lifestyles and cultures? Whats the problem??? I like bud light, you like hennesy and who cares? everyone is so afraid of being figured out. They think they have to be mysterious like an American girl with a tattoo on her neck written in language other than english(auto moderator just said that the word apanes with a "J" in front is not allowed)WUT? unbelievable. Anyway, she does this just so i can ask her "hey, whats that mean? I stereotype daily and love it, i get offended daily in some ways and can take it without crying or litigation.

April 9, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

HAs anyone ever noticed when the NAACP doesnt like what a white person said they want that person to resign or be fired hmmmm

April 9, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

crazyinlove (anonymous) says...

grannyof six,

they dont like when other black people try to get them to step down as well

April 9, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MBass151 (anonymous) says...

Grannyofsix - How can you not notice that? There is no single "organized" group in this country that truly promotes integration for anyone, including the ACLU - I believe they should all be disbanded, there wouldn't be any single "organized" front to stir everyone up then.

April 9, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Yes, I like Tool and Korn and I prefer Jack Daniels myself. Or if Local Truth or AllWoman is paying, I prefer Bakers or Bookers whiskey ;-) lol

April 9, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CarolinaWren (anonymous) says...

LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS!
We all talk about our good old days sometimes. When we didn't have all this electronic gadgets and we would take the time to go visit each other, and do the simple things which was a lot to us and made us happy. I can, and you can, go on with the list I am sure.

WHAT IS THE POINT HERE?
Our young generation today which in 50-60 years from now will be at the age we are if they SURVIVE! Will be sitting around a round table and talk about their good old days. This is how it will sound!

Hey man, remember all that good sh--t we used to smoke!
Remember we all gang-banged that shy school girl!
And all the spasm and viruses we used to send out to people!
The baggy pants we wore down to our butt holes!
We used to have cyber sex!
We stole identity.
We used our parent's medication to get high!
We sold drugs to make money!
We carried machine guns in our back pockets!
And if the teacher tried to discipline us we shot him!
And if our parents tried to discipline us we went to the law!
We used to get girls pregnant at the age of 12 or younger!
We never respected our elders!
And all that rap we danced with!
And I can go on and on and on:::::::!

Now, what do we think that the children of these children or should I say our grand children will talk about their teen years!

LORD HAVE MERCY ON US

April 9, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

lol. good luck with that! Sweet babies .. I love them. I have two of my own, but I dont envy the pregnancy part. Congratulations!

April 9, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

I have been in this hospital for three days now and got to go downstairs a few times. I have seen 4 girls leave with thier babies, and none looked over 16. One other left and she did look like she was about 35 no husband or boyfriends in tow of any of them including the oldest who Iam guessing taking her home was her mom and 3 little one looked to be about 3 , 6 and maybe 9 now i am just observing this i hope to leave tomorrow but how many more will leave MUSC with child in arms and only 14 or 15

April 9, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LadyTarHeel (anonymous) says...

As I stated when I read this yesterday, Nancy Cook did not target black people. So I really don't get the whole NAACP being involved. I think that instead of wasting time complaining about what someone said, they need to be worried about what's going on in the black community. More and more young girls are having babies out of wedlock. I went to high school with a girl who had been pregnant 6 times before we were seniors, twice in middle school, so I know it's a big problem not just among blacks, but within our society.

I don't understand why we as black people have to be so racist towards people who aren't black. It's just dumb. Organizations like the NAACP discriminate and choose soap boxes to stand on. This being one of them. I wish they would choose more relavent soap boxes though. Ones that can actually solve the problems in the community like young men killing young men, men not wanting to take care of their children,women who have babies on top of babies as if they don't know where they come from, and the glorification of being a "D-Boy". Slavery is over and so is the civil rights era. Sure there is still racism but do you have to make it up in every situation just to make yourself feel important?

April 9, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Keoki (anonymous) says...

FROM 4/8/08

Posted by blk_avenger (anonymous) on April 8, 2008 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is everyone so obsessed about people on welfare? Anyone on any given day is just one simple twist of fate from being there themselves. Instead of comdemning them,why can't we just be thankful we are not one of them.

McDonalds is always Hiring. Some people just do not want to work because everyday is sunday. Some people drive like it is sunday as well...

April 9, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChrisPia (anonymous) says...

http://www.heartswithsoul.com/eugenic...
ArchDude read This...

April 9, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

Keoki when you offer a person a job who has no education can barely fill out an application they get very insulted if you offer them 7 an hour, your right everyday is a sunday to some.

April 9, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Wow, you are all woman. Im happy with my 2. Yes, We did get off topic and its a good thing. I was getting irritable. lol

April 9, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

yougogirl78 (anonymous) says...

This is what the NAACP has turned into...quote from Booker T Washington - 1911.

"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs - partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do do not want to lose their jobs."

April 9, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Thank you "Yougogirl78"

That is so true!

April 9, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...

I am sooooo sick and tired of seeing the NAACP come running to the "rescue" of the people who cry racism. There is nothing racist about Cook's comment. If the statistics show that more blacks are on welfare and are more unfit than any other race, then obviously what Cook said would apply to those particular people. If it applied to say the white people, we wouldn't be calling in the calvary to make a huge ordeal about it. I doubt the Asians or Mexicans would, either. What Cook said makes perfect sense. I would rather see my tax dollars go towards the sterilization/birth control of the welfare/unfit parent group, then to supporting their lack of wanting to work. Don't get me wrong, the individuals that have physical disabilities are entitled to their welfare/medicaid. But those who choose not to work, should not be able to collect extra money for bringing more individuals into the already welfared household.

April 9, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Thank you, yougogirl for bringing out that quote. It's sentiment is very apropos for the times.

April 9, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MBass151 (anonymous) says...

Allwoman - I saw the same article and I personally loved that cover of Vogue. LeBron James has an amazingly fit body and looked fabulous and Gisele looked equally as fabulous.

April 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCforpeace (anonymous) says...

Medicaid covers 100% of an IUD..it lasts five years...that's enough time to get a good education and/or find a good job and get off of Medicaid. The rules and regulations need to be changed for welfare recipients and then we might make progress

April 9, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nochasgirl (anonymous) says...

Courage is not what I lack. I just don't enjoy attacking people. I enjoy reading comments, and every blue moon I will comment. Quite frankly, I have not heard that term used since I was a very young child. Maybe it's the company I keep. I honestly don't use those type terms. But that is not the real problem here is it?

I have 3 children because I wanted a family, and God blessed me and my husband with 3 beautiful, healthy children. I love them, and I take care of them. We provide for them, because they are OUR responsibility. And I love every minute of it!!!

April 9, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Allwoman: instead of allwoman you probably need to be called alltired!!! you have my respect lady!!!!!

April 9, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

allwoman I for one had a notion that you werent, and still say God bless you and your big family. sometimes having lots of kid are a blessing, and i feel yours wont go lacking, but when you are on wefare and medicade I just dont see it. all children are blessing but for some people they become a burden when you cant provide for them. please people let us not forget the babies that died this past year from neglect we posted about them this past year. this is the problem. And allwoman again GOD bless you dear. btw I too am about to be a grannyofseven next month and a great granny of two

April 9, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CNN_10 (anonymous) says...

As i was looking at everyone comments i say to myself wow look at all the comment 209 of them. However, i personaly feel that Mrs Nancy Cook was not talking about a particularly color at all period. And the NAACP jump the gun for no reason at all other than to make an appearance on television preaching that same old song and dance.

As for the NAACP i am sorry as a black man that organization is a joke to the black community. First of all the NAACP needs to focus on:

-Why African Americans in Charleston County dropout of school and make up half of the dicipline problems in the schools???

-Why HIV and AIDS rate is high in the African American Community???

-Why African American men make up the prison system in South Carolina???

These are the problems they should be looking at and others in the black community instead of whinning about Nancy Cook who was actually telling the truth about the single parent. Also did not even talk about race at all.

April 9, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Girleygirl (anonymous) says...

Allwoman- don't feel bad....my screen name fits my look because I do not look my age. I look like I'm in my late teens and I'm always asked my age.

I get the stares too when I'm with my kids.

April 9, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

The picture of Dot Scott used in this article should be posted at the entrance of every welfare project in the county. If that doesn't scare the heck out of all involved, I don't know what will.

April 9, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mcdanch (anonymous) says...

Anyone who disagrees with Ms Cook's statements should come and work either in Labor and Delivery or in the nursery at the hospital for a month. I am sure that this experience will make them firm believers in what Ms Cook is speaking to. We seem to forget that the ones who are truly affected by this negligence are innocent babies!

April 9, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buff_o_rilla (anonymous) says...

I think we should sterilize the deadbeat dads that make the children while we are at it!!!

April 9, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CNN_10 (anonymous) says...

Yeah and where are the fathers in all of this. Keep your leg close really

April 9, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

grannyofsix (anonymous) says...

new name for allwoman. WONDERWOMAN ! !

April 9, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCforpeace (anonymous) says...

NAAWP- National Association for the Advancement of Working People

April 9, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

whome (anonymous) says...

SCforpeace: they're called labor unions, except SC doesn't believe in them...

April 9, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KMG (anonymous) says...

OKAY WHAT REALLY HAS RUB ME WRONG... THIS IS @ NONSENSE YOU CALLED THIS LITTLE GIRLS' SLUTS AND STATED THEY NEED TO BE ON B.C. PILLS. DO YOU THINK THEY GET PREGNANT BY THEM SELF..OR DOES IT TAKE MALE... A LITTLE BOY TO HELP,,WELL IT DOES!!!! IN THAT CASE BOYS CAN BE LABEL AS SLUTS TOO IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A CONDOM WHEN THEY SLEEP WITH ONE OR MORE. A LOT ARE QIUCK TO BLAME THESE LITTLE GIRLS'BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE BOYS???????????????????

April 9, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ssob (anonymous) says...

NAACP = Negroes Across America Causing Problems

April 9, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CNN_10 (anonymous) says...

what about this

WTAACP= White Trash Across America Causing Problems

April 9, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

512c (anonymous) says...

Eugenics should not ever be joked about, as it is a reality for many people in this area... If you were alive in the 60s & 70s....

April 9, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

KMG, Cap lock and the shift keys are your friend, use them. Yes, it does take two to do the deed. The problem is that once the little boy has had his fun and hits the road, the little girl is left with the bonus prize. If that scenario happens once, it is unfortunate. If it happens many times, one has to wonder if the little girl hasn't turned pro.

April 9, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCgal (anonymous) says...

Everyone should focus on all of the good and positives Ms. Cook has done for the education of the children in CCSD~
and not make such a deal over her voicing true facts~!!!

IMO, I am sick and tired of SC being #50 in the US for education and if you can face reality as to why CCSD is where it is at, address it, and make changes then more power to her!!!

April 9, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CNN_10 (anonymous) says...

Great point Coldbeer cannot dispute that at all.

April 9, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Girleygirl (anonymous) says...

Allwoman- You handled your co worker better than I would have...kudos to you on that part. I hate the stares I hate the looks because the looks are so judgemental and I hate that......

April 9, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCgal (anonymous) says...

BTW, hello people this is the year 2008~~ can't change anything that was a has been so get off that kick and deal with the problems of today's society, get living with those Rose Colored Glasses, face the music of today's world for what it is or isn't and make the changes needed to make it better instead of wasting such time and energy on such issues~

IF the time and energy spent on this issue were used for changing classrooms one at a time then the system would improve~~~

April 9, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

disco (anonymous) says...

I was on here this morning and there were only 20 comments - now, there's over 200!
I did not read all 200, and I especially avoid the ones in all caps.
Anyway, from what I can see, Cook didn't mention anything about race so why is the NAACP involved with this? Can anyone who is a NAACP member please address this issue on here. I'm sure at least one of these posters is in the NAACP.

April 9, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCgal (anonymous) says...

IMO, I would suspect because there has been so little TURMOIL around lately and so jumped on any opp out there for a little FACE time!!!

April 9, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ticket3477 (anonymous) says...

They should stop government funding. Its much to difficult to force sterilzation or make women take birth control pills (or use condoms for that matter) If we took away their funding then they would most likely close their legs.

These women have multiple children because the more they have the more money they get from us. Its absolute crap the way that works.

These people suck at life.

April 9, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MBass151 (anonymous) says...

ROFL Allwoman - 5 kids with 6 different fathers - now that is a priceless comeback. I had my kids at a very young age, but I took care of them - not the state, not my parents, not my relatives, not the taxpayers - me, myself and I. I also finished high school, had a fulltime job and finished college. I know what kind of looks you are getting, I used to get them too.

April 9, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

SCgal (anonymous) says...

IMO, Nothing like kids feeling the need to spread their seeds all over the land~~ and not understanding the full reality and responsibility of such actions~

April 9, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

disco (anonymous) says...

Allwoman, I want to hear from the NAACP too. Maybe they can help clarify why they made this into a race issue. If anything, they made themselves look stupid...
Anyway, where's Jesse Jackson when you need him:)

April 9, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MBass151 (anonymous) says...

Amen allwoman. It is too bad that our "system" purports the continual birth of children who don't ask to be born into a welfare situation and at the same time grow up thinking that the welfare situation is better than an education.

Disco - Jesse Jackson is having lunch with Al Sharpton - stay tuned tonight for their remarks on CNN. LOL

April 9, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

Wow, the day isn't even over yet, and I do believe the number of comments on this article have even topped those on the Sofa Super Store fire.
I had someone comment to me today that these articles are going to do nothing but increase backing for Nancy Cook.
Look at all of the free publicity she is getting.
I don't know anything about this woman except from these articles, so I wouldn't condemn or support her based solely on the subject at hand.

April 9, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

buttercup (anonymous) says...

allwoman glad to hear that you and little Willie are doing well.

April 9, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

Wow tripsa, is that an actual quote? If so, it speaks volumes. Sad that no one seemed to learn from it.

April 9, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Eddie39 (anonymous) says...

Thank God Nancy Cook has a backbone to speak the true. Someone needs to check the skeletons in Dot Scott's closet.

April 9, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

luvmydogs59 (anonymous) says...

As others have said...the truth hurts! My tax dollars are being funneled into the pockets of people who are living on welfare for this and various other reasons...and meanwhile I am fighting my a** off to get social security for my disabilities (which I wish I didn't have, so I could go back to being able to work and not have to use it) even though I've paid into it for years!!

It is way to easy for these women to milk the system, while deserving people like myself (and many others), have to fight for what should be rightfully ours!!

April 9, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

allwoman, I just got back from the grocery store. The woman ahead of me checked out talking on her cellphone with Bluetooth the whole time, swiped her EBT card, and walked out and got in an '08 Escalade. I'm thinking, okay, maybe it's a company vehicle. Fat chance, she had a bunch of kids in the car and too much personal stuff.
Oh, her doo and nails probably cost a week's salary for some people.
This is the type of situation that makes my blood boil.

April 9, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

auger (anonymous) says...

allwoman, I had a rather embarrassing situation a few years ago regarding the EBT card. I was in line at the grocery store and the lady ahead of me used one of these cards to pay for her groceries. I thought that it was some sort of store issued "reward" card and asked the clerk how I could get one. She said "do you have a job?" I said "of course I do." She said "then you can't get one." Then I realized what it was. I guess I should have realized all along when she paid cash for certain items and used the card for the rest.

April 9, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

luvmydogs59 (anonymous) says...

allwoman...I hope that your mother will get her disability soon, I will pray that she does! Will be praying for myself, too, while I'm at it LOL. My doctors had me out of work more than they had me at work. It's finally come down to not being able to work at all anymore. Quite depressing, actually. And now your mother and myself have to have a lawyer to help us and there goes part of our disability...once we get it. It's just not right.

And when I first moved down here 6 years ago, I had a job, which paid very little...but it was a job. I could just about pay my rent. I also didn't have any insurance. When I went to the DSS office, I was able to qualify for food stamps (which I gladly gave up when my financial situation improved, not quite a year later). When I inquired about any kind of insurance help, the lady asked me if I had small children, which I do not. She said the only way I would qualify for any medical insurance help was if I had small children. How do you like them apples?? Now we know why these women are pumping out child after child...it's the only way they can get medical insurance, while others, who really need it, and don't have a bunch of kids, can't.

It just bites.

April 9, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RTC (anonymous) says...

allwoman, I know a man that just got disability after a year. It took him that long even with letters from several doctors and a lawyer's help.
Tell your mom to not give up, but to be very aggressive in pursuing this.

April 9, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glevans (anonymous) says...

Ok people you all need to take some time and breathe for a second or two before you pass out. I don't know if anyone has noticed that it is not just black young women having children while they are not married, it is every race! White, Asian, Mexican, Black and well everyone. And it is not just young women getting pregnant nowadays. Look around you, it is everywhere. Unwed mothers are deserted everyday by the good for nothing men who fathered these children. Maybe we should be chasing after the no good absent fathers!

April 9, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

masterdiver (anonymous) says...

I owe no allegance to either the Democratic or Republican party; I vote as an Independent based upon who I perceive is the best candidate. I listened carefully to the conversation and the comments made by Nancy Cook and I must say I believe she was right on target with the need to get our cultural priorities straight when it comes to education. I also concur with her position that we need to come to a point of stronger cultural, parental, political and educational confrontation with irresponsible teenagers whose selfish and immature actions impact our culture at large and our smaller communities in specific. I concur that Darby, Scott and Ford need to listen to Ms. Cooks words very carefully; from their comments it appears thay have failed to do so at this point in time. I would also suggest that it is SCOTT, DARBY and FORD who need to attend sensitivity and diversity training. As for Ms Cook, I applaud her commitment to the priority of education as well as her steadyfast commitment to serve the whole community. My vote now and in the future would be for her and her proven leadership.

April 9, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cinnabar (anonymous) says...

Nothing in Ms Cook's comments was directed at any race, only unfit mothers...Speaking the truth seems to be an issue that can get you in trouble with some especially sensitive groups. Dot Scott needs to go to reality training.

The NAACP is an ludicrous embarrasment. How can they promote bringing innocent children into poverty, drugs and squalor...

April 9, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jeepsailor (anonymous) says...

Hello all, I am from California and planning to move to your area in the next few months. I have been watching your news and wanted to comment here. Before you call me a racist know this although I am white, I now have a Chinese wife a black son inlaw and a Hispanic daughter inlaw and 6 mixes grandkids I love them all. So with all that I say stop with the feelings and look at facts. If a person is so irresponsible that they can not take care of there kids then the state should take them and find other that will take care of them and love them. As for the irresponsible parent he or she what ever color they are should not put them selves in a place were more kids are made. I have a friend that was like that and after 4 kids the state offered her the option and yes we the tax payer would pay. She took the sterilization and all is better, is it for everyone maybe not but my be it should be a choice. The tax payer wins and there is no more unwanted kids or abortions. As for the naacp that racist group should be out lawed as should the KKK or any group that can't see people as people and not there skin color first. Here in California were I live we take a person by there word and character not there skin color.

April 9, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...

ey: I only used the word "Colored" because it's the NAACP that's making the accusations -- or am I mistaken about what the 'C' stands for?

Ms. Cook didn't make this an issue of race -- the NAACP did. Making every issue about race is the only way they can remain relevant in this century. They can say this is in the matter of 'equity', but let's not kid ourselves. If they weren't inventing some racial angle on this, they wouldn't be getting involved. 'Equity' is a smokescreen, and a thin one at that.

I think Ms. Cook, took it a little far, and I think ey has it pegged in identifying frustration as the root cause. That said, there is an undeniable common sense in her remarks that parallels that of similar remarks that many "frustrated" people have been making for years. Ms. Cook's real error was making such a comment in public where the politically-correct newspeak police could hear her thoughtcrime and fight to make her an unperson.

As I said, it wasn't racial until the NAACP got involved. It wasn't about eugenics until posters here got involved. We're not talking about selective breeding or genetic engineering. It's not a brave new world we're discussing. It's the common sense principle of not having kids you cannot afford. Several generations of "Great Society" welfare babies later, it's increasingly apparent that it is only common sense among people making their own living. The decision to reproduce needs to be taken from those not responsible for the consequences of their actions. It doesn't have to be the ridiculously exaggerated nightmarish notions presented by those who want to undermine common sense and truth. It can be as simple as norplanting women when they get their checks. No one is forcing anything on anyone. No one puts a gun to anyone's head and forces them to get a welfare check. Getting welfare is a CHOICE, just like the behaviors that lead to children.

If that plan doesn't appeal to you, here's a better one: GET RID OF WELFARE ALTOGETHER. Reagan aptly said "The best social program is a JOB". Problem solved.

April 9, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again: "It does a great disservice to those who suffered the horrors of the real Nazi's to have their tragedy carelessly tossed around by whomever wants to use it to suit their own needs."

It also irritates me to so often see the revisionist tendency to associate fascism with the right. Read a little history on the real fascists of our time. You'll see far more parallels with the political platform of the right. Don't forget, the fascists, just like their modern democrat counterparts, were socialists.

April 9, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jandlmoureau (anonymous) says...

Nancy Cook is a fake all the way around, she just makes herself look good with a homeless shelter...what if this happens to one of her daughters? She thinks shes so perfect, serves her right to catch heck over this...she needs to resign. I'm loving this news fyi

April 9, 2008 at 11:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CNN_10 (anonymous) says...

Wow are you seriously almost 300 comments.

April 9, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dlschwerin (anonymous) says...

"The NAACP became involved in this issue because it's one of equity, said the Rev. Joe Darby, vice president of the Charleston branch. People sometimes erroneously think that the NAACP is involved in matters tied only to black people, he said."

So the thing that gets me with this statement is simple what does the name NAACP stand for? I am still waiting for the federal government to allow for the National Association for the Advancement of Caucasian People (which will never happen because that would be racial). If the NAACP really wanted to make a statement, then the first thing would be to change your name to the National Association for Advancement of Minority People. Then I will start believing you are totally for all minorities.

Now the the issue of the comment:
Again like so many comments made on this issue is that most of the constitutes of Charleston County are tired of having to take care of someone else's problem. When through the history of our society that someone can have multiple babies and think that is perfectly okay because they will get an additional welfare check. Well enough is enough. It is time for some the members of our local / state and federal government to stop the abuse of the public assistance service.

April 9, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

soolocky (anonymous) says...

I certainly do not want to defame the NAACP. They have paved the way for many. I believe that Dot Scott's actions towards Ms.Cook's statements are extremely hypocritical especially when she blatantly called a group of African American preschoolers from a downtown church's day school dirty and used a considerable amount of profanity in front of them during the Dec 2007 Christmas Parade. The actions of the local president on that day does not represent the mission statement for this historical organization that stands for "peaceful protests", nonviolence, justice, and harmony. Many of the parents complained about Ms Scott's actions to the NAACP but nothing was ever done. She continues to counterattack others but she is often not called down for her inappropriate behaviors. This is a good time for her to called down especially when Ms Cook did not personally attack children from our community. During Ms Scott's inappropriate behavior during the Christmas parade, she even invited one of the parents to fight with her. Impressively, our parents and teachers along with the children quickly jumped off of the float and proceeded to their vehicles without taking on the local president's invitation to fight her. The parents and faculty, but most importantly the children, of the Day School should be given a formal apology by the president. Ms. Scott may benefit from attending an anger management program. With many of our youth falling prey to violence and rage, we certainly do not want a local role model to continue such behavior and send the message that anger and aggression is always the answer.Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

April 9, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodcatholic (anonymous) says...

Nancy brought this on herself ,she finely showed her true colors,And she is surpose to be a Catholic,shame on her,she deserves to lose her seat on the school council,and her Church.I can`t believe she was able to slide into the school council,we don`t need anyone like her to be near our children . SHAME<SHAME she better say a lot of hail mary`s.

April 10, 2008 at 12:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

moonpie (anonymous) says...

Wow this woke all of you posters up! Great now be active in the politcal process. Cook for Govenor! NOT I can't get pass the "Goodloe does nothing wrong" attitude she had. Glad to see the posters respond. We should go protest in front of the racist organization known as the NAACP! You think 269 posters in front of their ofc would make the news, NO? Only the 5 or 6 NAACP hacks would make the news.

April 10, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Opinionated1 (anonymous) says...

Much of the time, I don't agree with Ms. Cook. But I don't see how child abuse, poverty, health care, education, crime and other high interest public issues can be discussed without suggesting that procreation might not be an inalienable right.

April 10, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

opinionated1: procreation IS an inalienable right. Neither you nor your government has the RIGHT to tell me what to do with my reproductive organs. If I choose to have dozens of children it is MY RIGHT!!! What ISN'T my right is to have the taxpayers support the dozens of children I have. I DON'T have the right to tax $ given by hard working Americans. I DON'T have the right to expect others to absolve me of my responsibilities, have a right to free medical care, food stamps, welfare checks or subsidized housing.

You folk out there advocating forced sterilization or contraception need to think long and hard before allowing the government to have free reign over it's citizens' personal liberties. None of you want to go down that road.

No one is talking about these polygamy compounds spread throughout the US. I'm not just talking about the one that was recently raided in Texas. It is common knowledge that the primary source of funding for health care, food and $ is the welfare system. When these men 'marry' multiple women, they do so 'spiritually' not legally. Then these women go to the local Social Services offices & apply for food stamps, welfare and other public benefits as single women with children. DO THE RESEARCH! It is not just a local or minority issue. People hesitate to talk about because these people are doing it in the name of religion & they do not look like the typical welfare queens. But if one man has anywhere between 2 to 7 wives and they all have multiple children & the women don't work who pays for these people to eat? Granted some of these compounds have some money-making ventures but for the most part they rely on the government to support their lifestyle, all in the name of religion.

How about the prevalence of unwed motherhood and dependence on govt. assistance in the Blue Ridge Mountain/Appalachian areas in TN, NC, GA and KY? Again, not the typical welfare queens you see on our local tv stations but leeches nonetheless.

This presumption of a right to suckle on the teat of the govt has become pandemic in our nation & our society. It has to stop! Instead of concentrating on the perception of what a WELFARE QUEEN looks like, how about we instead concentrate on how as tax-paying, law abiding voters get people in office who aren't concerned with being PC and more concerned for what's best for this nation. We are going broke with all of our domestic social programs and flawed foreign policies. It's time for a change, but not one that sounds good in a 30 second sound bite during an election year. Instead of complaining we really need to stand up and protest the current state of our union. Instead of whining we should support candidates that AREN'T afraid to speak the truth about our societal ills and are willing to step up to the plate and offer REAL solutions not just paying lip service to the Ridiculous Left Wing Liberals or the Ultra Right Wing Bible Thumpers.

April 10, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

EY ~ You are one angry person. I got bored reading your last post before it started giving me a headache.

April 10, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jandlmoureau (anonymous) says...

Nancy is supposedly a catholic, then why would she suggest sterilization when she herself is against it through her belief? how will she teach her own daughters about sterilization or birth control i wonder? goes to show shes 2 faced and will stab you in the back...RESIGN NANCY! you need to be out of here. let he answer that question on the news for broadcast.

April 10, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KMG (anonymous) says...

@ AUGER, WAIT YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME!!! BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANKS COLD BEER FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE LITTLE GIRLS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO BLAME. @ AUGER I DO HAVE LITTLE TIME FOR YOU,IT TAKES TWO OR AN TEST TUBE TO CREATE ANOTHER LIFE IT'S CALLED REALITY ACCPET IT!

April 10, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

chascarolinagirl: you are hilarious. Thanks for the mid-morning pick me up.

I must remember that many who post here (not NECESSARILY referring to you chascarolinagirl) form their world view from information garnered from 2 minute CNN Headline News like forums or the inept writing of some of the Post and Courier reporting staff.

Many, (not NECESSARILY referring to you chascarolinagirl) cannot or will not take the time to read an article if they could just read a headline.

Some, (not NECESSARILY referring to you chascarolinagirl) get bored with anything longer than two sentences and are content with formulating an opinion on the writer without reading further.

Unfortunately for them, (not NECESSARILY referring to you chascarolinagirl), I'm unwilling to dumb myself down or risk being misunderstood in order to appease the drive-through window mentality of those who think they can 'debate' the issues.

Though I'm generally unconcerned with those who think they know me or think they know what I'm feeling (unless of course I've insulted someone then by all means tell me for it is rarely my intent), I appreciate your attempt chascarolinagirl. At what I'm not quite sure, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

April 10, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...

ey - Once again - it wasn't the posters here that brought race into this discussion. It was the NAACP. Last I checked, it wasn't the National Association for the Advancement of ALL People.

No one here disputes that there are people on welfare besides this "Welfare Queen" you speak of. Last I checked, Ms. Cook never made any such comment and never indicated any particular race. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that this should be applied to one color of welfare recipient over another. You seem to be a lot more hung up on what a "welfare queen" looks like than any of the other posters here. Most people who want to stem the tide of welfare generations don't care what the color is of the person stealing money out of their wallet. I sure don't. I just want it to stop.

It's not about taking civil liberties. It's not about taking control of another's reproductive organs. No one is FORCING THEM TO DRAW A CHECK! That's their CHOICE. I think that, since self control is obviously lacking among those that benefit from a system that rewards poor choices, that self control needs to be made a condition of accepting the benefit. It's not forcing, because they can always still go get a JOB instead. I can think of at least two exceptions however. I remember a story recently where a child was born addicted to crack. Anyone willing to do THAT to a child has no right having them, and I'll be d@mned if I accept without protest the fact that my tax dollars probably paid for the crack that poisoned that child. Another case would be the more recent one where a woman (white, mind you, so don't bother with a racial angle) lost a third child under mysterious and likely abusive circumstances. She should have lost the right to reproduce before a third innocent child was buried.

You claim that you want to see someone step up who is not concerned with being PC and wants to address some of the nation's problems. I think that's exactly what Ms. Cook did. You'll be hard pressed to find someone not afraid to speak the truth, however. Look what happened to this one!

April 10, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

implanted: I wasn't so much focusing on race as I was on region. So many think it's just an inner city issue or just a Charleston issue. It is everywhere be it suburban, rural or urban. The faces and names are different but the underlying issues are the same.

And you are absolutely right about who brought race into this issue. If you read my earlier posts, you would see that I certainly empathized with Ms. Cook and completely disagreed with the NAACP, especially Mr. Darby, Mr. Ford and Ms. Scott. They've (as usual) hijacked a very important issue and made a mockery of it by crying 'racism'.

If you also re-read the 1st paragraph of my 10:35 posts, I state that as human beings we have certain inalienable rights regarding our person, but we DO NOT have the right to expect others to take responsibility of the consequences. It is unfair to advocate the revocation of the rights of others and not have those same rights taken from us. (I'm not referring to those who break the law however it is not unlawful to have multiple children)

I understand and share in your frustration of those who are reckless and irresponsible. However as a Libertarian I cannot and will not be hypocritical and take liberties from others just because I deem them unworthy of them because anyone could say the same about me for any number of reasons.

I don't claim anything implantedyankee. I stand by what I write on these posts as being my true beliefs and opinions. If you've taken the time to read my earlier posts you would see that I stand by Ms. Cooks right to her opinion, though I didn't think it was wise to advocate sterilization, especially knowing it will never happen. But it was her opinion and it was born out of a frustration shared by me and countless other law-abiding taxpayers who are tired of supporting those who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.

Just as I am being vilified for what I'm saying (here on this board or in my office), so will others who also stand by their convictions and are strong enough to say what is truly on their minds. Just because I may not agree with someone does not mean that I will not respect them or fight for their right to say it and that includes Ms. Cook. If more people were willing to take the heat for their true convictions like Ms. Cook, perhaps change could happen.

April 10, 2008 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )

mcclurewatson (anonymous) says...

I agree with Ms. Cook, have all the kids that you can afford, but don't expect the taxpayers to support them. We can hardly afford to pay for our own, but we have to work twice as hard because of these people on welfare, that are healthy and could work.

April 10, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

To be clear, I agree with everyone who says that if a young woman or man comes to the government for assistance some parameters must be met. Contraception and/or sterilization should be an option if the parent wants the government to support them and their children. As well as finishing high school/GED, job training and most especially drug testing.

That way it becomes a CHOICE like any other. Just as I have to follow certain guidelines in order to get paid, so should anyone with their hand out for my tax dollars.

What I'm against is forced sterilization/contraception.

April 10, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

No EY ~ It is the redundant conversation that you keep having with yourself. No one is asking you to "dumb yourself". Didn't even know that is correct terminology. Nonetheless ... You have a right to say what you want to. Its just saying the same thing over and over gets boring. ;-)

Glad I could help you out with the mid morning pick me up.

If we all took what we said personally, we would be just like the NAACP. lol

BOYCOTT NAACP IN CHARLESTON!! Who is w/ me? lol

April 10, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

i would join you but apparently i'm too busy conversing with myself. ;-)

April 10, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

You can still join me!! :-)

I know that this is a serious topic, but I kind of like adding humor to it too.

April 10, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Let me ask myself first...

April 10, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Sounds good!

April 10, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

A few more jokes between you and I and we could get the comments up to 300!

April 10, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Narnie (anonymous) says...

What do all of you do for a living? I can't believe how much time you spend commenting and debating online... what can you possibly accomplish?

April 10, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

well narnie:
some people work rotating shifts.
Some people work from home.
Some people are stay at home moms and dads.
Some people are retired.
Some people are on vacation.
Some people have jobs that don't entail a lot of attention or gives them a lot of free time.
Some people are just bored with life.
Some people are actually interested in the world around them.
Some people just like to...

:-)

April 10, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

Well said EY!

I cant believe its almost to 300.

April 10, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

Yipee! Will we be making history?

April 10, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

For real ? Is this a lot of postings? lol

...and I almost missed out on it!!!

April 10, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

I will help you out ... does it count since we are no longer talking about the issue at hand?

April 10, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

I'll ask myself it counts.

April 10, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

I said to myself, heck yeah it still counts! lololol

I'll let one of you ladies be number 300!

To be fair, the subject of this article is an important one. If for no other reason than we need to take a long hard look at ourselves as a society and decide just how much foolishness we're going to take. And also, we shouldn't be afraid to not only speak the truth, but listen to the truth.

At least that's what myself told me today.

Good Nite!

April 10, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...

allwoman: YOU ARE THE 300TH POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 10, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Narnie (anonymous) says...

You didn't answer my other question... what do you hope to accomplish? Besides 300? WooHoo

April 10, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChasCarolinaGirl (anonymous) says...

LOL! Allwomen and EY ... Couldn't have done it w/out y'all!!

Narnie: You are too late in asking that question. Allwoman and I already debated this yesterday. Its not accomplishing anything ... it is the ability to freely voice your opinion.

If you wanted to accomplish anything ... This is not the way to do it. Duh!

Its been fun! lol

April 10, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

AFWally (anonymous) says...

NAACP rips uncaring attitude....hmmmm....and what exactly do they care about? What a bunch of clowns!

April 11, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

PalmettoHawk (anonymous) says...

She's a closet racist IF the comments were directed only at the African-American population base in the Lowcountry.

IF not, the comment was not a wise choice of words.

Nazi Germany sought to sterilize the unfit, mentally challenged, disabled, and others based solely on their ethnicity.

So is she a racist or worse?

June 9, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )