Pit bull kills toddler

Posted by NS_Highlander on December 14, 2007 at 1:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The American Temperament stability test for Dogs rates the Pit Bull at 84%, which is much higher than Lassie that comes in at 79%. The Highest score of any breed is only in the low 90's. http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

This is a very tough and strong dog that is very capable of doing damage. I think the problem is with the owners, who program them wrong.

Not all people who own pit bull dogs are dirt-bags, but all dirt-bags that own dogs have pit bulls.

Posted by ballyhoo on December 14, 2007 at 2:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a truly tragic occurrence. However, the very headline of this article immediately causes bias. It does not say "Dog Kills Toddler". It says "Pit Bull Kills Toddler". It immediately singles out a breed that has become the popular "whipping boy" of the country for quite a few years. It IS, however, important to note several aspects of this article. For example, this dog was a stray. We have no way of knowing what kind of treatment this dog was subjected to before it was taken in by this family. And while this family seems to have been trying to do a good deed for this dog, the article states that even after being taken in and assumably cared for, it was still kept in a yard on about "25 feet of chain". The article also does, to the writer's credit, state that the dog was apparently not hostile when animal control came to retrieve it. The point - ALWAYS the underlying point - is that we need to control and punish those who would corrupt a dog of ANY breed. Any dog can be trained or even treated in such a way that would cause it to become aggressive to other animals or people. Tragic situations like this should be a "wake-up call" to those in law enforcement and prosecutorial positions. It should alert them to the fact that poor treatment and hostile training of animals can cause horrible consequences. Until more proactive measures are taken against those that would train animals in such a way, there is slim hope for a better future for these mistreated animals or those that are affected by this mistreatment, either directly or indirectly. The term is almost cliche at this point, but we have to learn to hate the deed, and not the breed. Punish the individuals that make dogs this way. If we make the punishment severe enough we can curtail this problem one bad breeder/owner at a time.

Posted by TheHawg on December 14, 2007 at 2:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You people keep sticking your head in the sand about this breed. How many serious injuries and deaths does it take?

This dog is a killer. They might be sweet most of the time, but all it takes is the dog getting upset one time, and there is a tragedy.

They are all over my neighborhood, and people are afraid to take walks. There are certain streets you simply don't walk on because of the vicious pit bulls on those streets. Yes, they are restrained, but occasionally they get loose. I was charged by one recently. I fought him off with a golf club until the owner was able to restrain him. I was also attacked by a chow this past year. I again fought him off with my golf club. I now am fully armed when I take a walk. I dread the day I have to use my firearm to protect myself from a vicious dog, but I refuse to accept the fact that I can't even walk the streets of my own neighborhood in which I've lived for 26 years. What is the mentality that makes so many people want to intimidate the whole neighborhood by owning such dangerous and undesirable dogs. It's a shame one has to fear taking a walk in a residential neighborhood.

You would be safer leaving loaded guns lying around in your house. You are playing with fire with this dog. You are not allowed to own other dangerous animals in a residential neighborhood, why do we allow people to own these vicious breeds of dogs. I am for banning them.

There, I had my say.
TheHawg

Posted by MHA on December 14, 2007 at 5:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Quaoed from NS_Highlander: Not all people who own pit bull dogs are dirt-bags, but all dirt-bags that own dogs have pit bulls.

I certainly agree with that part of your post NS_Highlander.

I think that the breed needs to be put down though. Too many incidents... over and over again.

Posted by nenna_45 on December 14, 2007 at 6:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ns highlander, are you a cape bretoner?

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How is this not a case of neglect on the grandmother's part? The child was obviously not being monitored!

The pit bull is the new media darling when it comes to dog attacks. In the past, it's been rottweilers, doberman pincshers, and German Shepherd Dogs. It's not the fault of these dogs; it never has been. It's the fault of the owner, that doesn't take the time to train, exercise or socialize their dog properly.

I am the very proud owner of both a rottweiler and a German Shepherd, and they are excellent representatives of their breed. I have future plans for a pit bull, and have no doubt that the dog will also be a well rounded family member... not just some dog that's tied out to on a chain to a tree, which is the case here. In my opinion, the grandmother not only neglected to care for her grandson, she neglected to care for her dog.

For every "vicious pit bull" story that is brought to the media's attention, there should be another story about any of the thousands of pit bulls that are service or therapy dogs. Punish the deed and not the breed. Pit bulls are wonderful dogs that get into the hands of horrible people.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 6:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In addition to my comment, I meant to add this website:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/...

I've worked with animals for nearly 10 years, and even I had a hard time.

Posted by DanniD on December 14, 2007 at 6:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The grandmother was responsible for the care of this child and she failed! What a sad story. I am sure that the dog did not attack the child for no reason. As with most two year olds, he probably did something to aggervate the dog, which caused the attack. Had the grandmother been watching him properly, this whole situation could have been prevented.

My thoughts are with this child's parents. What a difficult thing for them to go through.

Posted by TarNFeatherEm on December 14, 2007 at 6:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Aren't Pit Bulls a man made breed? Most of which are inbred on purpose to make them more aggressive for fighting?

Posted by MHA on December 14, 2007 at 6:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Man made? No.. that would be Dolly the Sheep. :)

Posted by 10216340 on December 14, 2007 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ballyhoo - this dog was not a stray. The stray was the animal that killed the child back in April. However, this dog was chained in the backyard which makes me think that it wasn't an inside dog, accustomed to being around others.

It may seem unfair to some to catagorize a certain breed as dangerous. However, those are the facts. The type of dog I own has been breed for hundreds of years to be a hunter of small animals. I see those traits coming out in him (the way he digs up our backyard, how he sleeps, how he responds to small animals, etc.).

Wake up.....certain dogs have certain traits. If you deny that fact then you don't know much about dogs.

Posted by greyrider on December 14, 2007 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Considering their history, I am totally against people owning pit bulls. These tragedies occur way too often. I'm not a big fan of rottweilers either. This was a big factor when we bought a dog 2 years ago and our youngest son was 3 years old. I did a lot of research and decided on a female German Shepherd because of their reputation for being very protective of the family they live with, and other GS owners raved about how good they are with kids they live with. However, we do always lock her up when neighborhood kids come around just to play it safe. you never know if other people's kids are going to be morons and tease a dog. That being said, I'm very wary of getting the government involved (outlawing Pit Bulls and Rottweilers). But I think people should look at these numerous stories and think long and hard before purchasing one.

Posted by shellkaz on December 14, 2007 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The American Pit Bull has been bred for aggressiveness by people who admire the the toughness and fighting ability of the breed. The breed itself is not to blame for what it does naturally.

Anyone who owns this breed should be aware of what it is capable of. Regretfully I think that by selectively breeding the above traits people are going to force authorities to ban this breed.

I know that many insurance companies will not insure a property if one of those breeds is in the house. Rental properties (apartments, mobile home communities, etc.) routinely screen prospective tenants for aggressive breeds and refuse to rent to people who own these animals. That alone should tell you that Pit Bulls are a known hazard and anyone who owns one should not expect anything other than a dog with the potential to kill or maim.

Posted by pmartin on December 14, 2007 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its a very sad day for Holden. This is no "accident". When are adults and responsible parents going to learn that pit bulls are dangerous and should not ever be considered as a pet. This is a life that should have been preparing for the holidays and learning new and different things everyday of his precious life. What a tragic lost.

Posted by theronce on December 14, 2007 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone was responsible for the dog. Someone was responsible for the child. One or more people were not acting responsibly. Unfortunately, the child has and the dog will pay the highest price.

Posted by sethook on December 14, 2007 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Grandma needs to be receiving her mail at the Big House for about the next 20 years. She obviously shouldn't be left in charge of anything or anyone precious. With Pit Bulls, it's not if, it's when they will attack someone.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This poor child. The family has suffered a tremendous loss.

I've known many people with Pit Bulls. Even when fully grown they were no more harmful than a kitten. I've seen nasty little poodles that were meaner. The ability for any dog to maim or kill is there. It's up to the owner to take the time and responsibility to train them.

For people to say that the whole breed is bad is wrong. That's like saying since women have vaginas then they're all whores.

Posted by RTC on December 14, 2007 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This dog was in a fenced yard, but it still had to be chained?
Could it jump the fence, or was it so agressive that the grandmother kept it chained as an added precaution?
My Golden Retriever becomes somewhat aggressive towards strangers when he is chained. I believe that chaining an animal on it's own property makes alot of dogs protective of their territory.
People assume a liability whenever they own any type of dog.
This is just too horrible, and it should never have happened no matter what the circumstances.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All children should be watched very closely not matter what the dog.. I have a Golden Retriever and around my 8 month old I am never more then inches away. This is neglect on parts of the parents / grandmother. They have suffered enough I am sure, but something must be done to educate or punish those that provide an environment for this to happen.

Posted by onedeep on December 14, 2007 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no reason that a pit bull cannot be a sweet family dog, capable of being around children with no worries. However, in both instances listed in this article, the dog was restricted from movement, from getting the exercise it needs to release all of that energy it has, and that energy turns to frustration in the dog, which leads to aggression. And so the dog lashes out at anything that it can, because that is what it is designed to do.

In terms of the incident in April, they took a stray off the street to make him their pet. Unfortunately, making him their pet meant keeping him locked up in a laundry room for 10 hours a day. You put any dog in that situation, and you would have a problem dog.

To drive the point home: Put a child in a situation where they are locked up all day in a small room, or chained up, and they are going to have behavior problems. But you aren't going to blame the child, you are going to blame the people that locked up the child. In terms of dogs, the blame lies with the same people.

Hold the owners responsible, not the dog.

Posted by JohnS on December 14, 2007 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a sad case I know the family is upset. The talk today seems to be on the Pitbull. I do own dogs but not a Pit Bull. It's sad this area had two cases in the last year involved children under 5 killed.

Approx 250 children under 5 years old drown in backyard pools each year. This is just one example. Most of the pools are the small plastic ones everyone can own. I don't hear anyone talking about banning pools. Dogs in general kill about 15 people a year in the US. A litle over 300 people in the last 28 years have been killed by a dog. Most of the breeds that killed someone was other than a Pitbull. This is not the dogs fault or to be blamed on Pit Bulls in general. The article said the dog was not aggressive to the officers. People that keep small children should make sure they don't get outside. Also the guardian should protect small children from any other potential hazzard. When you are two years old just about everything is a hazzard. I remember being bit in the face by a chihuahua that was sitting on my great grandfathers lap.

Posted by PoisenIvy on December 14, 2007 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When are irresponsible grandparents going to learn that they too, need to Child Proof their homes, if they have young grandchildren?
Childproof locks out of the reach of little ones and proper supervision would have prevented this tragedy.
She knew the dog was vicious, unfortunately it's the child who paid the price...

Posted by jonanick on December 14, 2007 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll have to agree with "TheHawg". Also pit bulls are not the whipping boy for dog breeds, they are the ones that are the most dangerous. The jaw pressure of a pit bull far exceeds that of a collie, rottweiler, doberman pincsher, or German Shepherd. They can break bones when they bite. They are inbread to fight and even if one is docile they can turn on a child or another dog or an adult. It's obvious in this case it turned on a precious child. The article says the dog was not agressive toward officers. I don't think for a minute that a 2 year old even if he did do something to the dog to antagonize it, deserved to be cruelly mauled and killed by a dog. I know dogs are animals and can't think logically like people should be able to. They are animals and rely on instinct and what ever they are trained to do. I would bet money that this dog was not trained to be agressive. If so he would have shown this to the officers mentioned in the article. All I know is the pit bull lovers seem to be more concerned for their breed than for human life. pit bulls are not people, they are animals. Animals deserve respect. Humans are charged with animals' care and protection from themselves and toward humans. Every time you hear of a child or other human being killed by a dog it is 99% of the time a pit bull. I used to own a rottweiler and even though I loved it I gave it away because of its' potential to be able to cause severe harm to people. It wasn't mean, it was docile around kids and adults. It was not worth the risk knowing that someone could get hurt. I wish pit bull owners would consider the harm that their dogs have the potential to do. At sometime in it's life a dog will get away from it's owners custody. It will get out of its house, fence or yard. Another two year old is then at the mercy of this dog (pit bull). He may not bite or he may kill. That's one reason why as a society we have deemed it necessary to not allow the general public to own and care for in our midsts Lions, Tigers and other dangerous animals. Why in the face of these killings by pit bulls do we allow them to be around us? They should be outlawed, banned and exist only in the care of professionals who will be responsible for their actions. Professionals who will not make excuses for them and blame their actions on people. This precious two year old did not know better than to do something that this pit bull didn't like (if he did ). So I don't feel sorry for the pit bull or its breed in general. The only place for a pit bull is in the circus or theme park where they can be locked away from humans. Yes, other dogs can and will kill people but not with the frequency that pit bulls do. What I say about pit bull dogs also apply to any other large breed dangerous dog. We do not need them threatening and killing humans in a civilized society. It is a shame when a person is afraid to walk in his/her own neighborhood for fear of attack by dogs of any breed.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who says that the dog was vicious? Have we come to this determination solely because the dog was a pit bull? Was it decided that the dog was vicious because it was on a chain in the yard? Or because of the Beware of Dog signs in the home?

I have a relative that has his Chesapeake Bay retriever mix on a chain in his yard because the dog will jump the fence if it's not chained. I personally have Beware of Dog and No Trespassing signs along my fence; not because my dogs are the least bit vicious, but because I don't want people in my privacy-fenced yard where there is an in-ground swimming pool (a lawsuit waiting to happen in and of itself).

Nowhere in the article above does it mention that the dog had a past history of aggression/viciousness. However, it does state very clearly, "he was not aggressive toward the officers".

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early - I've always said that when things like this happen. Put the owner in a room with the same amount of dog/s that would equal the weight and size of the dogs that attacked the child and let them defend themselves with nothing but unheard screams. In this case, two or three should suffice.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How many remember this one? These dogs were specifically bread as guard dogs. In this case the dog weighed only four pounds. All dogs can be dangerous.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/po...

Small dog kills 6-week-old girl in California
October 9, 2000
Web posted at: 6:17 AM EDT (1017 GMT)
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities in Los Angeles said.
The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.
The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.
The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.
Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.
"Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed," Solis said.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MonicaBee.. That makes little sense.. The dog just killed a child yet you mention the phrase from the article "he was not aggressive toward the officers"... That’s just it, some dogs snap for whatever reason, nice one-minute killer the next.. Golly... Mr. Geoffrey Dahmer seemed like a very nice guy on his interviews... Would you want to spend the evening with him???? Lets use some common sense here..

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early, your name calling suggests that not only are you childish and immature, but also that YOUR intelligence level is lacking.

Do you know the story behind why this dog attacked the kid? The child was left unsupervised by its adult guardian. For all you or I know, the child was torturing and aggravating the dog. ANY dog, be it a pit bull or a Chihuahua or a Labrador or a pomeranian, would react in a way so as to defend itself under those circumstances.

The bottom line is that this incident falls onto the shoulders of the child's irresponsible grandmother who, because she was inattentive, killed this child.

Posted by nobsl on December 14, 2007 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a horrible and tragic story that should have never happened. This same exact scenario happened a couple of months ago in Charlotte with German Shepherds tied up outside and a 2 year old kid that got loose. Let me ask a basic question that applies to each of these stories:

1.) How did a two year old get out a door into a back yard where a dog is tethered?

I hate to place blame, but people, specifically adults, are to blame for these types of incidences. No kid should ever be left unattended with a dog, especially a dog whose life is on a tether in a yard.

The person who made the statement above about having a loaded gun is safer than these dogs truly proves how misinformed the public really is, which scares me. Dog bite fatalities account for on average 20-25 fatalities in a year, representing all breeds but only pit bulls make national news. Whereas, gun shot fatalities account for on average 20,000 - 25,000 fatalities in a year. The only common link is that there is an adult behind both of these statistics, which is the only place where the blame can lie.

Posted by AFWally on December 14, 2007 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder how many here actually bred, raised and trained pitbulls? I can train any dog to tear your a$$ off or lick you to death.....its all in the training, not in the breed.

Posted by MHA on December 14, 2007 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Picture this:

Capture all of the lions, tigers, cougars and such and place them in cages and feed them Purina Cat Chow twice a day. When they have babies, remove the babies from the mommas at birth and hand raise them. You will, over time, reach a point where big cats are "domesticated". Does that make them safe? Ask Siegfried and Roy. It would take forever to breed the "wild" completely out of the cats. There would always be that part of their brain that has wild instincts. They could not be trusted. Even while they lay at your feet as you watch TV and drink a beer.

Dogs that have been bred for aggression are the same way. There "might" be some point in time when they are safe to have in the house and around children, but obviously, we have not yet reached that point in time. You can't eliminate the breed. That's not the right answer.

I have two dogs. A medium size mutt from the pound and a little Shi-tzu. The mutt wouldn't hurt a flea (I know... I have to get them off of the dog!). The Shi-tzu raises hell anytime someone comes in the house that he doesn't know well. Would he bite? Maybe... would it hurt anyone? No... He’s too small.

Owners need to be aware of the fact that they have a dog that’s ancestry includes aggressive breeding and that they have a dog that is large enough to seriously injure or kill someone. They need to be held accountable for the pet’s actions.

And yes, I agree, there are a lot of pit bull owners now that have the dog simply for the status of owning a killer dog. I'd be willing to bet that almost every "thug" that owns a dog owns a pit bull.

Posted by ballyhoo on December 14, 2007 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've read through all of the posted comments on this article. It appears to me that the primary difference in the posts lies in the individual level of ignorance. I don't mean that to be inflammatory or insulting. And please believe that when I say ignorance, I do not mean stupidity. I mean a genuine, honest, understandable lack of knowledge. I am by no means an expert on this breed. I have, however, been around this breed in one capacity or another for most of my life. For the record, the only dog that has ever bitten me was a dachshund. I find some of the comments made to be very interesting. For example, that of all the dog breeds, "they are the ones that are the most dangerous". I'm sure that the individual who posted that has some sort of empirical evidence to back up such a bold statement. Or possibly some citation to support the statistic that when "a child or other human being is killed by a dog it is 99% of the time a pit bull". I point these out only to illustrate the overall perception and misconception regarding the breed. The fact is, most people have no first-hand knowledge on this subject and rely on the reports of others. I highly suggest everyone do their own research into this subject before he or she forms an opinion.
Also, and probably most important, it is the very pinnacle of ignorance and laziness to make a broad generalization about an entire breed of dog. Every dog is different, just as every person is different. To apply such a generalization to every dog of that breed is preposterous. It is absolutely the same level of ignorance that leads people to make generalizations about race, gender, etc.
I'm a realist, so I know I'm not changing anyone's minds or opinions today, but I needed to get in my two cents. Thanks for taking the time to read it.

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the whole locking jaw thing is a myth before you start opening your mouth research the breed moron! these dogs are no different than any other breed! my friend had a german shepard that attacked her. google dog attacks you will find that alot more breeds than pit bulls attack, do you hear about them?? NOOOOO because who cares that a poodle attacked a kid or who cares if the yorkie attacked a kid? will that get attention NO people will just laugh. its all because the reputation of the pit bull. if you know that the pit bull is aggresive and have grandkids and your going to be babysitting them DONT GET THE DOG!!! common sense you people are setting them up for failure!!!

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

carolinaqirl... The reason I beleive you dont hear about a poodle or a yorkie attacking a baby/child is b.c they are not killed... My brother was attacked by a yorkie, he has a little mark on his cheek, but he is still alive..

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early.

Have you not ever been around children? Do you not think that children of that age said to be in their "terrible twos" for nothing? Go to a mall or any public place and see how toddlers act; there are plenty of them that are screaming, whining, crying or running a muck with little to no supervision. What's a two year old with no supervision? A terror. Refer back to a socialization and training, which in this case would be lacking on the parents behalf (as not socializing/training a dog would show a lack on the owner's behalf).

Just as I do not know how the dog reacted to the child, you do not know how the child acted towards the dog. It's speculation.

And I feel as if I will walk away with my head held high in this matter, since (if nothing else), I have been able to maintain my thoughts and opinions in an adult manner... which is so much more than can be said for you.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Diesel:

Here is a link to an article in which a pomeranian attacked and killed a six week old child...

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Article...

This can, does and will happen with EVERY breed if the dogs are not responsibly cared for.

Posted by devster on December 14, 2007 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All of you animal lovers need to get over yourself. It is a dog, an animal, plain and simple. A child’s life is worth more than any animal. This is not something you can argue with.

I certainly agree that having a pit bull or any dog chained in the backyard is not a good idea. Most of the dogs I see chained up in the backyard have a circle of dirt around the tree that they are attached to and left for 24 hours of the day.

Just like children, an animal is a product of its environment. The person responsible for the well being of the dog and the child is to be ultimately responsible. Since we don’t have doggy jail or rehab (but I am sure that some of you would like to establish such a place), the animal will have to be put down. This, again, is the owner’s fault.

Posted by charlestondiving on December 14, 2007 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What are people thinking having a pit around a 2 year old. This absolutely sickens me.
For those who have kids and these types of dogs as pets... how much of a chance is acceptable when you are talking about your child? Do you buckle up your kid in the car? Put them in a car seat? You wouldn't have a grizzly as a pet because of its potential to hurt people.
People want these dogs because of they are scary/mean/tough dogs. It seems those who get Pits have low self esteem and use the dog to fill a void in them self
2 children have been killed by dogs in Charleston lately, Both Pit Bulls. It is nothing short of neglect to have pit's around kids. Taking chances with your child's well being is inexcusable as a parent.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Monica --- Yes I am sure it happens, but not as often as large breed dogs such as a pit bull...but also a bird could kill a six week old I guess.. I was speaking more of an age where one could walk and get around.. Again, I don’t necessarily blame the dog nor would I blame a lion or a tiger b/c we know in any of those situations anything could or could not happen.. I blame always the guardians..

Posted by reality_woman on December 14, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not all pitbulls are agressive. Agressive is a learned behavior. My brother and his family has had two pitbulls for some 20 years. Neither ever displayed an agressive behavior. They were raised from puppies and taught not to be agressive. Their dog bandit would run and jump on me knock me down and kiss me to death. He was a little baby that loved everyone. The second one was raised around two young children. They are 4 year old twins, they played with him and they were protected from strangers by him. He recently passed away and they will get another to replace him.
Just like kids you raise them up right they will not give you any trouble. Case closed. It's not the breed.
Say what you will, but I have seen dog bites a lot (I am an ER nurse) what kind of dogs do I see inflicting terrible bites on little kids? Jack Russell Terriers, Scotties, Yorkies, Shepards, Labs, and almost every other breed there is. So, the problem with the Pitbulls are their powerful jaws. One bite in a vital area is all it takes, that is the difference in all the other bites I see.
Also lets stop and think why this dog was outside and chained up??
Chaining up a dogs creates aggressive behavior. Child not being monitiored and the two together make for a bad outcome.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think what we could all agree on is that NO small child should be left alone, or out of reach of an audult, with ANY animal.

Posted by AFWally on December 14, 2007 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is a little thing us dog owners use to remove our K-9's from people, they are called kennels. This ensures your safety and well being when visiting. However, mine know that your not a visitor after midnight, your an intruder and will experience plenty of teeth on your seat.

Posted by cubfan on December 14, 2007 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My 13-year-old daughter was bit on the nose this summer by our neighbor's pit bull. No, she did not provoke it. No, these people were not bad dog owners. This dog just snapped and my daughter paid the price. People have tried to blame my daughter, the owners, ANYTHING but the dog. It seems to me people are always more concerned with the pit bull than with the victims. I find that reprehensible.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reality_woman.. I am sure your story is correct, and I have a similar one, which I dont need to go into detail on for the sake of time but the result is much different then yours... So I am sorry but case is not closed.. There are very nice animals out there, fun loving family friendly Labs / Pitts / Rotts that are fine for years and years and one day for whatever reason they snap.. Research it if any doubt.. I would never take a chance with my defenseless child and I hope you would not either.. If you spend enough time searching for articles you will find parents wishing they were not so confident in their fun loving family dog.. I have a Golden Retriever that would I dont think could hurt anyone, but I still don’t 100% trust her.. They are not computers, they act on their own.

Posted by nobsl on December 14, 2007 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Truly, what happened to personal responsibility? If you own something and it harms something else, you as its' owner should be held accountable. This should be true for any belonging: pets, pools, guns, or any other belonging that causes harm to a person.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Diesel, on this, I agree w/you completely. =)

I love and trust my dogs, but I would never, ever leave them alone with children. I don't know how kids will act around dogs, and my dogs don't have much exposure to kids. Seems like a bad combination, so the best scenario would be complete avoidance or very closely monitored interaction.

That's the mentality of a responsible pet owner, though. In the case of most dog attacks, the owners are hugely lacking in the responsibility part.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I should clarify that I agree on the "NO small child should be left alone, or out of reach of an audult, with ANY animal."

Posted by nochasgirl on December 14, 2007 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We have a lab that is so loving and fun. I just don't understand the intentions of people who choose a breed that is dangerous. There are so many good breeds that do well with children. If you live in a neighborhood where the dog could possibly get loose, you are putting a lot of lives at risk.

Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nochasgirl, that lab of yours has the potential to be just as dangerous as a pit bull.

Leave it chained up to a tree, don't play with it, don't socialize it, leave it to its own devices and turn your kid loose in the yard. Same scenario, different breed.

EVERY breed has this potential, people! It's not just pit bulls.

Posted by diesel on December 14, 2007 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NoChasgirl -

"NO small child should be left alone, or out of reach of an audult, with ANY animal."

I am sorry to say but you can research article's of labs doing the same damage.. Fun loving family pets.. not as common maybe as one tied to a tree but it does happen...

Posted by Swift_N_Easy on December 14, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have 2 large breed dogs and treat them as part of my family. And Devster, I do not need to get over myself! I dont think for a second that my dogs lives are worth more than that of a child or any human but I can say with absolute certainty that my dogs are more well behaved than some of the humans that they have come into contact with. I watch them closely when children are present (children that they dont know) because in my experience, children are more likely to cause my dog distress then the other way around because they are often as unpredictable. My dogs get great exercise, love and attention which in turn makes them happy and a joy to have around. So as far as you telling people to get over themselves, maybe you should go out and get a dog and see how much it can bring to your life because, honestly, I care about my dogs more than I care about most of the people walking the streets!

Posted by nochasgirl on December 14, 2007 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, labs do NOT have the reputation that pit bulls have. I am a responsible parent and dog owner. My dog is part of our family. We did not get a dog until our children were older, not babies or toddlers. Why would anyone get a dog to chain it to a tree? My point is that when you get a dog, it should be for the right reasons. What are the intentions of people who get a pit bull??????

Posted by PoisenIvy on December 14, 2007 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This was NOT an accident, it was NEGLECT!!!

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

greyrider...

I agree with you...I have a male german shepherd and my family used to have a female german shep. runt (so she was smaller) and my grandfather used to have a male GSD when I was a baby. Perfect dogs...though...under the wrong owner any dog can be a killer. But smart dogs usually know better.

I used to sit on my grandfathers 100lb GSD's back when I was a little baby and yank on his ears and he did nothing. He was well trained and its really just their temperment. When my parents first got married they lived in the carriage house of a freak with a GSD trained to protect (attack on command) and one day he ordered his GSD to get my parents (trying to be funny), but the dog wouldnt because he knew them. Smart wonderful dogs...I recommend them to anyone. They can be imposing, esp darker ones like mine (he scares the crap out of people bc hes a talker and the mistake that for him being aggressive...hes a puss though)

Now for the pittbull...they are Staffordshire Bull terriers. Pitbull is the americanized (AKC given) name just as the GSD's orginial name was Alsatian...GSD is the americanized name. They are aggressive by nature, doesnt matter who the family is...they just are. Same with Chows and Akitas, aggressive by nature. Not recommended by anyone with half a brain to have any of the dogs around small children. Any idiot knows this. This is common knowledge.

Even pittbull/chow/akita mixes are a danger. They can be sweet as can be around those they know as the boss...but leave them alone with someone they dont respect...huge mistake. I currently take care of a lab/pitt mix and hes a little bitch around me but he is evil to my 95lb GSD. EVIL! As much as you can say that its a stigma against these dogs...they are just not family dogs. NO WAY. NOT SMART. You dont have babies and these dogs as pets. Its absolutely stupid. You might as well have a pet shark that swims in your pool and then let your kid swim with it.

Posted by whatelseisthere on December 14, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go visit the SPCA.....about 70% of the dogs "available" for adoption are pitt/chow mixes. They are there for a reason. Most of the index cards on their cages say that they don't get along with other pets, family members, or only good around older children. Toddler's throats are too close to the ground.......right about snarling teeth level.

Posted by charlestondiving on December 14, 2007 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is FACT that pits and Rotts are responsible for 74% of dog attacks.
Another interesting FACT is that 2/3 cases the attack was the first known dangerous behavior of the animal.

[quote] According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question.[/quote]

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%...

Posted by cindy on December 14, 2007 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I want too say how very very sorry I am too this Little Boy's Parent's and too the Grandmother too. I don't believe that all Pit Bulls are bad and sometimes even if they are treated with only kindness and love that they as well as any breed attack. Alot of them are bred too fight and neglected terribly but their are alot who have wonderful loving homes too. I think just as people can suffer from Mental Illnesses and do harm or kill others so can animals. We had an American Bulldog who was loved very much, had been too obediance classes and was a big couch potato who kept attacking Our other dogs and cat. In June He snapped at Our Grandaughter and than tore one of Our dogs eyes out. I tried too find a Rescue Place that could take Him but no one could so I had too have him euthanized. It broke Our hearts too do but I knew sooner or later He would kill a child or animal. Please remember any dog can attack even if it is well taken care of. Please let's all keep this family in Our Prayers.

Posted by bullygirl on December 14, 2007 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nochasgirl....not everyone is a "lab person". There are many people out there who love and adore all the bully breeds. So don't knock a breed that you don't fully understand and know. Pit Bulls are some of the most intelligent dogs and will do anything for their owners. My husband and I own a bulldog, which is a breed that was known for bull baiting--hence the name. This breed now is one of the most lovable breeds out there and people still stop and ask me if he is dangerous, just because of his looks and the reputation of the bully breeds. People need to see the positive side of Pit Bulls, for example...many are used as Therapy Dogs due to their high intelligence and willing to please their owner.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One clue your dog will attack...sit down with it...stare your dog in the eyes (I am really not even remotely kidding). IF you dog holds the stare and will not break it...you have an aggressive dog. No matter how he/she acts around you and your family...if your dog holds the stare the dog is aggressive because a dog holding your stare is the dog challenging your dominance. Any dog that thinks it is dominate over people...will attack at some point.

Posted by bullygirl on December 14, 2007 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good point ticket3477, I would also add that if you can't take away your dog's food or toys while he/she is eating or playing. When our dog was a puppy my husband made it a point to put his hand in the food bowl while our pup was eating so that he would not be aggressive. He's four now and you can take a cookie right out of his mouth and he wouldn't do a thing. Although I wouldn't really suggest doing that since he's a bully and has lots of slobber!

Posted by nochasgirl on December 14, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, and I have also visited the school in NY where labs and retrievers are trained to be seeing-eye dogs. It was amazing. You can compare breeds all you want. Do you want a pet? Or do you want to make a statement, look cool, etc? Why do people really want a pit bull?

Posted by jca on December 14, 2007 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this was not the dogs fault. it was the grandmothers. that damn door should have been locked and she should have been following him when he left the room. lazy people like her make me sick. she needs to be charged with child neglect and endangerment. who lets a 2 year old get from their sight

Posted by rld1771 on December 14, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Worked with a gentleman in his 50s who had a pit bull....always talked about how it was trained, great pet, wasn't worried about him one bit....one day the guy didn't come to work...he was sleeping in his recliner with the dog sleeping in his lap/chest...dog musta had a bad dream, woke up and tore his face up....... 60+ stitches

Posted by merrillthinks on December 14, 2007 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up with the sweetest dog. She slept with us, pulled us on our bikes, and greeted us with big cheek kisses. She was a PIT BULL. My adult brother still gets misty talking about our beloved dog.

We should all use common sense and respect toward people and animals and drop the stereotypes.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ticket3477 great point.If some of you pit haters did some research you would understand that while these and several other bully breeds were initially bred in the 1800's for bull and boar baiting, they were also bred for their ability to not bite the owner while they were baiting the other animal.This intelligence has marked them as on of the smartest dogs to own.They were also considered high society animals upto the 30's.What's happened is indiscriminate breeding practices and,of course dog fighting, have rendered individuals who sale inbred and aggressive pits for low prices to the community, alongside people who also sale very loving pits to families.So we see "pit atacks person" headlines and not "pit makes excellent therapy dog" headlines.How many pit atacks do you read about in upper middle class neighborhoods?These people tend to pay a little more for their dogs and get better blood lines.Also any dog that goes after small breeds should not be kept around toddler,not just pitbulls.It's a sad day if they ban this dog,and your a sad person if you want it banned.You might as well ban everything from snakes to bengal cats as pets while you at it.

Posted by chucktonian on December 14, 2007 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pit bulls are monsters and every last one of them needs to be euthanized.

in addition, their owners, who only breed "pits' to inflate their macho egos, need to do hard time in prison.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And since the p&c doesn't want to provide any positive info,here's some links for some of you that actually want to come off your soap box and do a little research.Remember,there will ALWAYS be some breed that is exploited for it's gameness by ignorant people.If not a pit then a collie,or an akita,or a great dane.....the list goes on www.bigpawsonly.com/dog-blog/pit-bull-th..., www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbulls-therapy-d..., www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSgEcIOmojo, www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz3tpTZ5oWk, www.austinlostpets.com/kidskorner/2Octob..., www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/28/news... - 102k -

Posted by mariella on December 14, 2007 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am with ballyhoo on this one. I'm so sick of the media and ignorant people ill-educating the public about this breed. All you people know is what you hear & read in the news-well guess what-the media is designed to entertain. I have a pit bull and she is the most wonderful dog. She has NEVER shown any aggression towards me or anyone else, including several children. The dog is strong, very muscular and without a doubt has the physical capability of doing some damage--and good pit bull owners know this. If you neglect a strong animal of COURSE things like this will happen.. I've raised mine since she was a little puppy, socialized the crap out of her at the dog park and everywhere else. Like I said, not one ounce of aggression. So I think it's time that you take your obstinate heads out of your asses, I recommend knowing before speaking.

Posted by mariella on December 14, 2007 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and p.s. that grandmother is totally at fault here.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many of you out there have been screwed by an insurance company because they found a way to not pay you fully for something?So it's no surprise that some won't insure a pitbull.I do agree with having to pay an increased amount if you have children in the home,but I think this should be applied to all dogs.I'm not trying to be funny, but i've seen waaayyy more people get attacked by chihuahas than pitbulls.And I thought it went without saying that no matter what our viewpoint was our hearts are with the child and family.My cousin was just bitten on the face and needed stitches because she was bitten by a family friend's lab.This dog had NEVER EVER displayed aggression and was an old dog.But my 10yr old cousin was playing with it's food and it bit her.It was a shock to everyone.What do y'all think about a competency test for all animal owners across the board?If you can't show on paper that you can spend X amount of time and money on socializing your pet and feeding it, as well as getting it's shots,then you can't own it.And unless you have a breeder's licence then your dog gets spayed/neutered at the time of purchase.

Posted by please_believe_it on December 14, 2007 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that the grandmother bears responsibility but in our anger stop and think how she must feel knowing that she is responsible for the death of her grandchild?? She obviously cared for the child or she wouldn't have agreed (maybe even volunteered) to babysit him. In addition, she has to bear the guilt of what she has done with to his parents and who they and the community will feel about her. Have you ever done something wrong that was clearly your fault or an oversight and it caused damage? There are no winners here at all and I feel bad for all involved.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mppowell - Nice links. Thanks for sharing!

The sad part is the close-minded people see only the few bad dogs instead of the overwhelming number of good dogs.

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all i have to say is i love this breed and own a pitbull and i will continue to own these dogs until one day i get proven wrong which in my case most likely wont happen i wont say never but for now i know i am a responsible APBT owner and know not to set my dog up for failure and as for diesel, doesnt matter how small or large the dog is which i agree much larger dogs are more powerful any dog is capable of killing a 2 year old. i have a 4 year old little sister that i love more than anything and i trust my dog with my life but i know and have enough common sense to not leave them around eachother even though i trust my dog its just that little kids have a way of nagging at the dogs even though they dont realize it because they dont understand some dogs will let you pull on its ears and smack them n bite them but when the dog feels like its in danger of course its going to fight back. i think they need to make it harder for people to own dogs PERIOD people go out and buy dogs and dont spend time with it or give the dog proper care that they need! that is why they turn out the way they do. when are yall going to wake up and put the blame in the owners hands?? DOGS DEPEND ON US HUMANS TO CARE FOR THEM AND GIVE THEM THE LOVE THEY NEED THEY ARE JUST LIKE A CHILD. i have had touble with the insurance company they didnt want to insure the house we OWNED because of my dog. i would be happy to pay owners fees to keep my dog. it shows that i care that much to own a APBT! people need to do research before they say untrue stuff about the breed! you hear something and dont know half the truth behind it!

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

another great point PalmettoBlonde.And for those of you that think the headlines are a reflection of the breed,how many papers would get sold if the headline were "pitbull trained as therapy dog".About half as many.You need to understand that the media is now mostly in the business of sensationalistic headlines and fear-mongering in order nto move units and sale ad space.After all just tune in to any 24hour news channel and they're reporting the "Peterson" story with as much tenacity as the War in Iraq and the Bird flu.So if members of a certain race show a perpencity for gun violence,does that mean the whole race shouldn't own guns?Also at the end of the day any pet is not a surrogate for a family member,it's an animal.I love my dog to death but I don't allow people's kids to play with it.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

c'mon early.An alligator?Which brings me to your insurance point again.An alligator trainer can have insurance if he is trained to handle an alligator.Does that mean that pitbulls are worse than alligators.I bet your alligator ate a pitbull and had to be put down,that's why your so anti-pit!Just joking.I actually love reading your posts and the discussions they kick off.And once agin,we all know what a scam insurance can be at times.I mean when you can have butt cheeks insured for a million dollars or buy insurance against an alien abduction,these are signs that somethings rotten in Denmark

Posted by charlestondiving on December 14, 2007 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mppowell,

I did some research. The facts are that Pit bulls bite more people than all other breeds combined.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%...

FACT Pits and Rotts are responsible for 74% of dog attacks.

FACT 2/3 cases the attack was the first known dangerous behavior of the animal.

Those are cold hard facts and statistics. Your pit has never shown aggression? Great 2/3 of all attacks the dog owners said the same thing.

2209 dog attacks from 8-82 and 11-06

1638 Pitt/rott mixes
571 attacks for all other breeds COMBINED

Why own a dog breed that is responsible for 74% if attacks v/s all other breeds.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I told some neighbors of mine that if their poodle craps in my yard one more then I would shoot it dead. Haven't seen it since that conversation. I haven't had this problem with the Rotts across the street. Responsible ownership.

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vL1trl1FMUw&a...

go check this out before you start bad mouthing APBT!

Posted by justme2 on December 14, 2007 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My Heart-felt Sympathy goes to the family. I can't imagine the pain of a child dying at the mouth of a vicious dog.

Dog should be euthanized, already has a taste of human blood. That baby died miserably. If it was my dog, I would have killed it before they had a chance to take it away. Since when is a dog's life more precious than a human?

Grandma should be held responsible too for neglect, That child was left in her care. There is no excuse. Just like all the other mothers who have "lost children", I'm sure her conscience will be forever plagued. According to reports this dog was a nuisance in the neighborhood. Don't try to make little of it, a child died horribly. Same as you wanted for Sametta Heyward and other "neglectful" parents/grandparents.

Posted by nty05 on December 14, 2007 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with the majority of the postings on here. When I got my dog (at 7 weeks old) I spent a lot of time socializing her, making sure she met new people, introduced her to children and made sure she knew what is appropriate behavior and what is not. She is 3 years old now and is a wonderful dog. My little nephews can play with her and she is never aggressive towards them. I made sure to teach her to not be possessive over her toys or food. Owning a dog is not just about chaining it outside and giving it food and water. It takes work, and you have to be consistent. Obviously, this grandmother had no business owning a dog if all she wanted to do is chain it up outside.

In regards to the breed of Pit Bulls... I have known many Pit Bulls that have been just as gentle as my Lab. However, I think we (mankind) have all but destroyed this breed because the vast majority of them are bred for their aggressiveness and ability to fight (anyone see CSI last night?). Just as my Lab has been bred for her positive character traits, Pit Bulls have been selectively bred for their negative character traits. It's a shame what we have done to this breed.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

charlestonliving the article says "According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the studye says ",of these three breeds it doesn't say how many are pits specifically responsible for.It also goes on to point out that the reason these numbers center around these breeds is because of the power of their bites and their strength.Most people won't even report their family dog if the bite isn't serious and is a one off thing.This is also a reason that it's hard to insure them.Insurance companies know that if a strong dog bites someone,they'll have to pay vs a little dog.And if these dogs are so universally dangerous, why are nursing homes around the country now rescuing and training these animal for therapy work?I would think that a nursing home full of old people would have a much better understanding of liability than me or you,and yet this trend of therapy training continues....As does the trend of Customs and Law enforcement across the country training these animals for work.And yet they choose the german shephard to attck with.

Posted by justme2 on December 14, 2007 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mariella - this is still a vicious breed. Wait until someone or one of your children, gets on its nerve(I wish that never happen), then you will see. Dogs are unpredictable,I don't care how much socializing you give it. Anything can tick it off, even the most innocent. They are not human. You should be posting Sympathies to the family.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you early in that these are strong dogs and it only takes one bite from a strong breed.When you combine this with ignorant owners you have a problem.I think this is reflected in those stats.I also think it is poor judgement to own a breed that chases small animals when you have a small child in the house.Some breeds aren't for everyone.You also did the right thing kicking that guy out.While I may enjoy a pitbull,I also need to respect my landlord's wishes and expose him to liability.

Posted by flinsc on December 14, 2007 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

carolinaqirl i hope the dog bites your face

Posted by BulldogTLC on December 14, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reality Girl, you contradict yourself in your own statement: "Agressive is a learned behavior. My brother and his family has had two pitbulls for some 20 years. Neither ever displayed an agressive behavior. They were raised from puppies and taught not to be agressive." So if the aggression is a learned behavior, why did they have to be taught not to be aggressive. Pitt Bulls are more aggresive than many other breeds by nature, and to own one of these unpredictable animals with a 2-year old around is beyond by comprehension. Different dogs have been breed for very specific duties throughout the years, and thus, breeds have reputations that are usually well deserved as a generalization. Labs are usually laid back, easy going, loving family dogs, so on and so on. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the generalizations, and I'm not saying that you won't find an example of a dog from every breed that turned out to be a great family dog, but lets face it, a pitt bull has a reputation as a killer and there is a reason for that. If you feel comfortable with that around your family members, then more power to you. I just hope and pray that this doesn't happen to another family. I for one, do not have to have it happen to me before I learn.

Posted by charlestondiving on December 14, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wrong Mppowell

Read the study.

Pits and pit mixes alone 1181 out of 2209 attacks.

Pit bull terriers alone without any mix are responsible for 1110 attacks out of 2209

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THE TRUTH IS THIS IS ALWAYS GOING TO GO ON. PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO STUBORN AND SET IN THIER WAYS TO GO OUTSIDE OF THIER LITTLE LIFE TO TAKE THE TIME TO GET TO KNOW THIS BREED. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OWN OPINIONS BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU NEED A LISCENSE TO OWN A PITBULL AND TAKE A TEST ON THE BREED WE WILL SEE WHO OWN THE PITBULLS THEN. I BET HALF OF THEM WOULDNT, THATS THE DIFFERENCE IN OWNERSHIP I OWN A PITBULL BECAUSE I LOVE THE NATURE OF THEM I LOVE THE PERONALITY NOT TO MENTION THEY ARE BEATIFUL DOGS WHO SOMETIMES FORGET THEY ARE DOGS! IF THEY WOULD BE MORE STRICK ON MORONS THAT OWN THE DOGS FOR ALL OF THE WRONG REASONS WE WOULDNT HAVE THIS PROBLEM! IF NEIGHBORS WOULD STEP UP AND CALL THE ANIMAL CONTROL IF YOU SEE YOUR NEIGHBOR TREATING THIER PITBULL WRONG OR LEAVING IT TIED UP, NEGLECTING IT DO THE DOG A FAVOR IT TAKES 5 MINUTES OF YOUR DAY TO CALL THE ANIMAL CONTROL THAT GOES FOR ANY DOG. PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO STOP BEING SO LAZY AND OPEN THEIR EYES WE HAVE TO HELP CLEAN UP THIS DOGS REPUTATION UP BEFORE POOR DOG OWNERS RUIN IT FOR THEM!!!

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry meant NOT expose him to liability lol

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by flinsc on December 14, 2007 at 1:15 p.m.
carolinaqirl i hope the dog bites your face

WOW THAT WASNT NICE ha! like i said everyone is entitled to our own opinions. get over it! have a nice day :) i know i will your comment made my day. people like u make me smile :) :) :) :)

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

good point powell..

I am honestly very confused when I people have dogs that freak over their food and toys. Stunned would be a better word.

Is it just me...or is it not common knowledge to test your puppy? You know, hold them in your arms on their backs and hold them until they stop struggling (sign of a good dog), stick your face, hands, anything in their food bowl, near their toys...really just be in their business non-stop. Play the staring game...if you break the dog when its a puppy...no troubles 99% of the time. Take your dog to the dog park constantly (socialized dogs are happy dogs! sometimes over excited when they see other dogs...but wouldnt you rather have a friendly dog?).

Now...in some cases your dog wont be friendly to all dogs. My friends Shiba Inu is a little butt when it comes to other dogs(he growls and prances around them but never bites)...some dogs though...seriously...no matter what you do...are jerks.

My dog has been attacked by pitt mixes (not just the dog Im taking care off), a mastiff tried to have his way with Ace...but honestly...Ive only had real trouble with the pitt bulls going bonkers. Not sure if its bc they are modest and dont like dogs raming their noses in their special spot...but my dog has scars everywhere from these damn dogs. Luckily hes got thick long black hair so they arent there...but hes been bitten up all over.

Not all pitts are like that...but its in their nature to be aggressive...thats what they were originally bred for in the first place.

Dogs herding dogs were not bred to attack...they were trained to herd...hence why you dont find many cases of the family German Shepherd, Border Collie, English Sheep Dog, etc attacking babies or people. (Unless they have been trained to do so...if anyone says...well police dogs...youre an idiot.)

Posted by disco on December 14, 2007 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do believe that dogs have their instincts. I have a border collie who has to herd people, children, whatever and will nip to round people up. She has been through obedience classes and has had extensive training, but she still has that instinct. Other breeds are the same - when you decide to own a dog, such as a pitbull, you are ultimately responsible for that dogs' actions. The grandmother will probably never forgive herself and their family will be torn apart because of this. Hopefully, this will be a lesson to others because I would hate to think this child died in vain.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

excuse the double typing...im at work and not paying attn.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was bitten by a Labrador Retriever last year.

Posted by mppowell on December 14, 2007 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

charlestondiving-I apoligize.You are correct there.But I do believe this is mostly because of their strong bites and incorrect breeding.Now I am going to play devil's advocate for a sec.(mostly in honor of you and early who actually have done research on this before typing)and say this: These dogs do have a very real history of dog-fighting and small animal chasing.That is a fact.And for all of you pitbull owners(of which I am one)you need to understand that there continues to be a very large and lucrative black-market for this and there are huge numbers of backyard breeders out there that are creating inbred 100lb monsters that go on to bite people or are sold to an unknowing public that introduces them to their own family or create or their own breeds from this tainted stock.I mean we all know a pitbull is not naturally a 100lb giant with a football head.So until we figure out what to do with the David Tants and the Michael Vicks of the world,we will need to understand that there will always justified pitbull attacks in which a person did nothing wrong.It may not be our dog,but it will be our neighbor's.And in order to meet pitbull detractors halfway,until we get a handle on our dog fighting culture's use of the pitbull,we have to be open to certain restrictions when owning this breed.But we also need to be aware of any bills against owners and make sure we agree with the wording and be active in voicing our opinions.

Posted by forget on December 14, 2007 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why would anyone take a chance with a child around one of these dogs? Is it worth the risk? NO! There are plenty of breeds to choose from. We can have the debate on whether it's the breed or the training, but what's the point. The question you have to ask yourself is "Do I need to take that chance?" The answer should be no. Plain and simple. What was the grandmother doing with this dog anyway? All I'm saying is most grandmothers usually choose a more lapdog like pet. Does the dog belong to another family member that keeps it chained in her backyard?

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

it all boils down to irresponsible owning and breeding.

Also why its not always the smartest thing to go the pound and buy a dog...you could be buying a dog that came from two aggressive dogs.

You really just never know.

Posted by ptmama73 on December 14, 2007 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tell the pitbull/lab mix next door to me that he is supposed to be gentle...He's about 2 years old and has very loving "parents" who are responsible owners and DO TAKE THE TIME TO play, cuddle, train, and socialize the dog. However, as soon as I step on my back porch or my children go out into the back yard, he starts growling and barking. It won't be long before the jumps the fence to attack us, he's made it over before. He already grabbed my youngest child off of his bike - fortunately the owner and I were both there, but, what if the owner isn't there next time?

The man across the street from my sister breeds pits. A stray was on our side of the highway when the pits spotted it. The pits TORE THROUGH HOT WIRES and attacked the dog, drug it back through the hotwires into their yard, and tore it to shreds. We called the police who documented this with a camera (he got to see those precious pits in action). The sound alone was enough to make you puke - never mind the sight.

And the neighbors next to him who have a pit...it crosses a major highway onto our land and stalks us if we are outside, to the point where we carry pepper spray.

3 different experiences with three different dogs. I'm sure it is all in the way the respective owners are training them. Sure, real safe breed. Just google pit bulls and you'll feel relieved that they are such gentle creatures (BIG EYE ROLL).

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

that makes me nauseous

Posted by MHA on December 14, 2007 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ptmama73, you need to report the dog next door. If a pit bull lived next to me and grabbed my kid off of a bike, that dog would no longer exist. Any dog.. not just a pit bull.

Posted by Marianne0558 on December 14, 2007 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's a damned shame that a parent would even trust their child in a home with a "Beware of Dog" sign posted in the window, let alone, two of them.

Obviously the dog was dangerous or it wouldn't have been chained up.

Chaining dogs up doesn't do any good for them, or anyone around them. It makes the dogs aggressive.

How tragic.

I bet the grandmother feels like a total moron, as she should.

Posted by ForPnC on December 14, 2007 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ptmama - I love dogs and have two myself. As MHA said, report that dog.

If it were my yard this dog was getting into then it would become nothing more than target practice. I refuse to be threatened by a dog in my yard or in my neighborhood.

Posted by reality_woman on December 14, 2007 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

diesel,
Yes I totaly agree with you we never allow the kids to be alone with any of our dogs. Your are 100% correct that a family pet can snap at any time. Therefore you have to keeps kids and animals apart. It is a shame this had to happen. But it is something that other may learn from. Agression is a learned behavior but can come out in any animal at any time.

Posted by carolinaqirl on December 14, 2007 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

it all boils down to irresponsible owning and breeding.

Also why its not always the smartest thing to go the pound and buy a dog...you could be buying a dog that came from two aggressive dogs.

You really just never know.

if you know anything about rescues or the spca they do a little something called a temperment test to see if they are aggresive. if they show aggression they are not placed for foster care or adoption.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

actually i know alot about the SPCA because...SHOCKER...i volunteered there. Im not sure...but...can you tell the future? Because I cant...and Im not sure if you can do this as well...can you look at a little puppy and tell who its parents were? If the dad was say a dog used for fighting that got out and knocked up a neighborhood bitch?

Hmmm no I dont think you can. Odd... and if a puppy comes from a violent parent...chances are...theres not going to be much you can do to take the underlying violence out of the puppy.

Interesting.

Good try though

Posted by MHA on December 14, 2007 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've heard Pit Bulls taste like chicken :)

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mmmm...theyve got a more gamey taste.

carolinagirl:
do you really think i would say something if I didnt have any knowledge about it? My first job was at a kennel...and I volunteered for the spca for a year in college. Maybe you should go and learn something...seems youre the one who doesnt know anything about dog temperments.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Temperament:
Temperament is the general attitude a dog has towards other animals and people. Temperament is inherited but can be modified or enhanced by the environment. Thus a puppy with a dominant temperament can become a confident, outgoing adult dog or a domineering, even aggressive animal, depending on the attitude of the owner and his ability to train the dog.

Posted by laine61 on December 14, 2007 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is another family having to deal with the tragedy of losing a child. I like dogs, but I am very weary aroung dogs like pitbulls. A close friend of mine had two large pitbulls and they were "well-trained". He did not keep them chained, but he would put them in their house when people came to visit. Anyway, the male turned on him and almost bite his arm off. This was the man that fed him everyday and took care of him. The dog was put down. It was hard to see him having to lose his dog, but he knew that the dog was dangerous and he did not want anyone else to get hurt. But the point is, dogs do turn on you. Even when they are not provoked. The child probably was used to being around the dog and the grandmother felt that the child was safe. It's a shame that a baby had to die in such a senseless manner. My condolences to the family.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 14, 2007 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and i made a mistake..."pit bulls" are registered as American Staffordshire Terriers because they come from Staffordshire England. Pit Bull is the common name given to them bc of the way they look, its more of a nickname than an actual breed name. My B

Posted by nobsl on December 14, 2007 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did everybody read this story because it reads exactly the same as this story but with German Shepherds, www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/wcn... ? What is interesting is that nobody debated who was at fault because it was not a pit bull. In addition, it only made a couple of local newspapers. However, the circumstances were exactly the same, a 2 year old kid crawled out of the house and got killed by two tethered German Shepherds.

On another note, why is there so much debate around the breed issue when dog fatalities are not a real risk, but are perceived as so, because how the media gravitates towards them, especially pit bull stories. Below are some great statistics around how many people died by each of the occurences below.

Dog bite - 27
Other animal bite - 77
Drowning in a swimming pool - 625
Drowning in natural water - 1333
Electric transmission lines - 94
Contact with hot tap water - 30
Fireworks discharge - 2

If you want more, please visit this web site, http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm... .

Posted by jammer on December 14, 2007 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my condolences to the family

pit bulls need to be completely remove from this earth, they are responsible for more fatalities than all other breeds combined and are bred to be the most aggressive of all dogs, even inside their own breed dogs are either put down or not bred if they aren't aggressive enough

all dogs are man made, you can follow the hundreds of years of evolution through some of the programs PBS has had or any other

they are all bred from wolves, some on their own by certain characteristics being common between a few wolves that continue that progression but most by man intentionally

don't believe they are bred for aggression and strength ask David Tant about it... he's the top breeder on the planet of pits, and happens to be in my extended family unknown to me until after his arrest

google "pit bull kills" and watch the enormous returns, then take the time to read some of them

then google any other breed in the same phrase and see the contrast

all pits need to be euthanized... they are completely useless except to cause harm and feed egos

Posted by jammer on December 14, 2007 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nobsl tell that family that only perceive that child is dead from the bites of a pit bull

with all due respect the story is NOT the same with other breeds, you are the only one that you will convince of that lie

why people come to the defense of a proven killer breed over a human child is totally beyond me

Posted by jammer on December 14, 2007 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nobsl tell that family that "they" only perceive that child is dead from the bites of a pit bull and that they can click their heels three times to wake up from this tragic reality

Posted by moonpie on December 14, 2007 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well at the end of the day my chocolate lab wouldn't EAT a 2 yr old. She might make their arm very soar from her wanting them to throw the ball but she wouldn't have EAT them!
The breed probably was ok at one time but in-breeding has caused this. If you have to CHAIN up any dog you must ask yourself why you have it!

EARLY your the man!

Posted by Mon_Kie on December 14, 2007 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Quote..........
Posted by MonicaBee on December 14, 2007 at 6:33 a.m.

"Pit bulls are wonderful dogs that get into the hands of horrible people."

It's obvious, horrible people are the root cause of so many problems.

This is true of the dogs, and true of the children who raised by horrible people and turned into thugs.

Now, how can we ban horrible people?

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on December 14, 2007 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People, like the ones who lost their child, that live in questionable neighborhoods, think the solution to the problem is to get a dog such as the Pit as a deterrent. They do no more than find a very questionable breeder, pay a $250. fee (which is a pittance for a purebred dog) and place it in the backyard. The only attention that many of these dogs get is at feeding time. These dogs are terriers. They are bred to be working dogs. As such, they are wonderful. As a family pet, being left alone for hours in the back yard with very little contact, they are horrible. The same would be for any other breed with that energy level. The breed is taking the rap for many non-knowledgeable people that have no clue how to socialize one of these dogs. If you live in a bad neighborhood, get bars on your windows. Buy a gun (yes, I said that)...don't get a dog that you have no knowledge of, and no energy to deal with. You're ruining the reputation of an entire breed.

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on December 14, 2007 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And, for the record, I don't have one. Nor do I want one. I don't live in the best neighborhood in Goose Creek, but I fear someone getting in my yard and being bitten and getting sued by the victim FAR more than I fear being accosted in my own home. I've got a Le Creuset skillet that makes a fairly formidable weapon.

Posted by walleyedwoman1215 on December 14, 2007 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ticket, you're obviously very knowledgable about dogs. Enjoyed your posts. And I agree, if you can't take food away from your dog, it has no place in your "pack." There can be only one alpha!

Posted by adams387 on December 15, 2007 at 5:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming other people, animals and inanimate objects for thier own stupidity and lack of responsibility. Grandma needs to be held fully responsible for this tragic occurance even if that means a second degree murder charge. If Grandma would have left the kid unsupervised with a loaded gun, would it be the gun's fault the kid got a hold of it and pulled the trigger. I think not. There are lots of things that are safe for adults but not for kids ie... cars,knives,horses,guns,electricity. Stop blaming the dogs for stupid acts committed by humans. Send grandma to the state pen. Set an example, if people were held more accountable for their actions, there would be a lot less stupid actions.

Posted by nobsl on December 15, 2007 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jammer - I do feel really bad for this family and believe that no animal should kill a person, regardless of any situation. I also believe this accident along with the German Shepherd accident could have easily been avoided if adults do their role. The point I was making is that we cannot get rid of every risk out there, and pit bulls are not that big of a risk. Yes, a child got killed in this scenario and 20 + people die annually because of dog bites, pit bulls and other breeds, please research. But, people are their own worst enemy on almost all accidents. We cannot go around banning pools (because people may drown in them), beds (because people may fall out of them), fast food (because people might eat it), and cars (because people may get in an accident).

On the media search note, please keep this in mind, You will get more hits on a pit bull search because a bite by a pit bull is typically picked up by over 200 media outlets, while a bite by another breed it typically picked by less than 5 media outlets. The German Shepherd fatal mauling that I referenced was picked up by one or two local papers, even though the scenario was exactly the same as this story.

Moonpie - Be careful about your lab statement. We saw our neighbor's chocolate lab snap and bite a kid in the face to the point where the kid needed plastic surgery. Dogs are dogs and can do massive damage, no matter the breed.

Posted by ticket3477 on December 17, 2007 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Karson had wandered into an area where two German Shepherd mixes were chained. The boy became tangled in the chain and was mauled. "

it was a mix...