Online comments no 'delight'
Solicitor says some postings linked to staffer 'highly offensive'
As press secretary for Charleston's top prosecutor, Frank O. Hunt prefers to stick close to his boss' message on cases and decisions. On the Internet, however, it's a whole different story.
After six years with the 9th Circuit Solicitor's Office, Hunt finds himself in a sticky spot after someone traced anonymous comments posted on Charleston.net to an e-mail account that bears his name.
More than 100 comments, under the screen name "afternoondelight," were posted in connection with dozens of articles published by The Post and Courier over several months.
From pending court cases to political races, the poster has weighed in on any number of issues, at times with harsh commentary and racial overtones. In his postings "afternoondelight" makes no secret of his disdain for criminals or his favoritism for his boss, Scarlett Wilson, who faces a June primary fight against former Deputy Solicitor Blair Jennings.
Wilson was unaware of the postings until contacted Monday by The Post and Courier. She later said she had not spoken to Hunt but would handle the matter privately. She said the comments are "one person's views" and do not reflect the opinions of her office.
"This person certainly has the right to his opinion, though some of them are highly offensive," she said.
Hunt declined to comment on the substance of the postings but said he was "stunned" that The Post and Courier would reveal the source of comments posted with the expectation of confidentiality. "I will never post another one, I will tell you that," he said.
Charleston.net allows readers to post comments on stories under anonymous screen names, but the site specifically states that comments concerning stories "will not be considered confidential."
In one posting, "afternoon- delight" questioned the credibility of a girl who reportedly had been sexually victimized by an adult at school. The poster suggested that the girl "made the whole thing up" in hopes of getting the married man all to herself. "Conniving little tramp," he wrote.
In another post that day, "afternoondelight" weighed in on the hunt for suspects in a North Charleston killing. "Let's just hope that when they are confronted by police they pull their weapons and have to be shot dead."
His response to a story about a man charged with fondling a child: "Strip him down to nothing, baste his privates with gravy and put him in a cage with pit bulls."
In a handful of posts, "afternoondelight" weighs in on political contests. His take on Charleston Mayor Joe Riley running strongest in white voting areas in the Nov. 6 election: "Dat's cause wite peeple ain't stoopit."
The poster also makes no bones about his choice for solicitor, extolling Wilson's virtues in various posts as a "tough, no nonsense prosecutor" whose "dedication, performance and experience trumps Mr. Jennings everytime." "You have my vote!"
Jennings, who had read the posts, said he was most troubled by the attack on the credibility of the sexual assault victim.
"I obviously don't think people in the solicitor's office should be attacking victims," he said. "Those things are not appropriate for someone in the solicitor's office to be saying under any scenario, and to sort of hide behind a blogger's name is not appropriate either."
Hunt, a former television reporter, was hired by former Solicitor Ralph Hoisington and continued in the job after Hoisington's death in June. Hunt works part time, often in the morning. Many of the "afternoondelight" posts were made in the morning as well, but Hunt said he did not use county computers to make Internet comments.
Charleston lawyer Timothy Bouch, an expert on ethical issues, said judicial rules of conduct wouldn't preclude Hunt from exercising his First Amendment rights and posting comments, as long as he didn't share confidential information or offer legal advice.
Vincent Benigni, an associate communications professor at the College of Charleston, said he advises those studying public relations that it's best to be transparent and take responsibility for your statements. Someone who holds a position of public trust would be better off writing a signed letter to the editor, he said.
"If you're going to go ahead and make outrageous statements," he said, "be prepared for what happens next."
Reach Glenn Smith at 937-5556 or gsmith@postandcourier.com.
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Neponset (anonymous) says...
I tried to read the terms to find out exactly what privacy is offered by P&C and came away with my question unanswered. However, sometime back, I called Mr. Paul Crawford (P&C internet manager) about this issue of privacy and was assured that it would take a court order or equiv. to release our identity. I think that Mr. Crawford should comment here on this issue and make it clear when the P&C would release an identity.
If Mr. Hunts ID was not obtained from the P&C, I can only assume that he was a little too open with friends and colleagues and word got out from that end.
December 4, 2007 at 1:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beespencer (anonymous) says...
I wondered if he was using the same posted name as his email address account...
December 4, 2007 at 3:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
That is possible - I just checked several user names' info and the P&C does not provide an E-mail address. So it didn't come from the P&C. I hope Mr. Crawford provides some clarification on this strange situation.
December 4, 2007 at 4:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sandy37 (anonymous) says...
Gee Whiz does anyone feel threatened Charleston Style? Maybe someone could do a cartoon????LOL
December 4, 2007 at 4:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beespencer (anonymous) says...
He could have been posting his comments through government computer...
December 4, 2007 at 4:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Bee..
I just reread the article and the following caught my eye:
"after someone traced anonymous comments posted on Charleston.net to an e-mail account that bears his name."
Looks like you are on the right track. Perhaps someone with some internet savvy will weigh in and explain what happened.
December 4, 2007 at 5:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
First, what IDIOT registers with a 'primary' email account and believes they'll have total anonymity? Ever heard of Yahoo Mail? Hotmail? GMail? Mail.com?
Second, what IDIOT in a public position would make those kinds of comments and run the risk of being exposed like that?
Third, does anybody really expect total 'privacy' on the WWW?
A wise man once said 'Stupid is as stupid does.' Well said Mr. Gump...well said.
December 4, 2007 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
pyg..
Thank you for your answer, but how would one connect a Charleston.net user name with E- mail - in the Charleston.net account, E-mail addresses are not provide to the reading public.
December 4, 2007 at 6:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
Someone with a admin privileges at the P&C.
December 4, 2007 at 6:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
pyg
Well, if that is the case, P&C sure looks bad and could have a chilling effect on people posting comments.
December 4, 2007 at 6:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
Remember...we're on their site and post at their mercy. If someone continually posts troll-like incendiary comments...maybe, just maybe somebody at the P&C decided to dig beyond the surface. If you have forum software that logs IP addresses just look up the 'offending' IP address and see where it leads. It's not rocket science...especially when a user signs up with his PRIMARY EMAIL ADDRESS THAT CONTAINS HIS NAME. IP address + REAL name + somebody sniffing around at the P&C = bad news for person in the public eye.
December 4, 2007 at 6:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gococks1985 (anonymous) says...
Pyg..why should I have to hide in order to speak my mind? I have my account with my "real" email address. While I don't agree with afternoon's comments, I don't think that lieing about things is the right way to maintain your privacy. If it's privacy people want, then they should thier opinions to themselves and not post comments online. Just my 2 cents!!
December 4, 2007 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
Also, hiding behind the perceived safety of one's Dell or Compaq is a BIG ego booster. 99 times out of 100 an individual shows their true colors on these sites/msg boards...an environment where they feel safe from retribution.
Believe me, 99 times out of 100 the insensitive flaming comments made by some posters would NEVER be made in person. They don't have the guts to do it, but behind the veil of their HP Desktop...they become 6'9" 280 lbs and bullet proof.
December 4, 2007 at 6:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
gococks1985...you're right. But we live in a time when speaking your mind...no matter the individual whether right, left, demo, repub, Christian, Muslim, racist, vegetarian...there's always someone just itching to take you down a notch.
Rarely nowadays in our 'shock and awe' culture does anyone want to lift somebody up. That's not headline making.
Excercising privacy/anonymity measures on the WWW just makes good sense and prudence.
December 4, 2007 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mggoose2000 (anonymous) says...
Do we have a "Bill of Rights" that guarantees our right to free speech or not?
I don't understand why or how this can happen. We are supposed to be granted anonymity when we post.
If our commments are offensive, then we will be restricted from posting.
This man has a right, whether he is working for the Solicitor or not, to his opinion.
I don't necessarily agree with his opinions, at least most of the time, but I will fight to my death to defend his right to his opinions. If we deny him his rights, then ours are next.
December 4, 2007 at 7:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
"If you don't post over your realio-trulio name then you're just a keyboard-cowboi shouting to your fellow conspirators." Sure, go ahead and post your SS#, your home phone number, Master Card info with 3-digit pin, you & your kids secret "code word", your home alarm system code, bank info, where you hide your spare car key in that magnetic thingy under the fender, the place you keep your gun & ammo, medical info...that's living the truth!
Beam me up.
December 4, 2007 at 7:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beespencer (anonymous) says...
True...I don't agree with some of his comments either, but he has rights. His last post(I guess) was about the Berkeley GOP funds question...
December 4, 2007 at 7:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SCVOTER (anonymous) says...
Maybe now that people know they can be identified they will be a little more thoughtful about what they say. Many people post extreme comments on here because they think they will never be found out.
December 4, 2007 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
20lbtest (anonymous) says...
Wow....
Big Brother's watching........
December 4, 2007 at 7:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I agree that some folks get a little out of line when they know that their ID is secure, but for ones personal well being it is good to have this shield. I have received unpleasant messages via the P&C system and I know of one poster who changed her user name for the same reason. I hope that my comments have stayed in bounds.
I think it is time for the P&C to explain what happened.
December 4, 2007 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
People...do you really believe you have "rights" and "privacy" on the WWW...especially on a website privately OWNED by another individual or company that is NOT YOUR OWN???
Speaking your mind is fine...no argument here whatsoever, but to believe one has 'inalienable rights' and an expectation of privacy is just plain foolish!
December 4, 2007 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
Doug_Huffman...there folks...an idiot hiding behind his PC that wouldn't have the ballz to say that to anyone's face.
Thanks for proving a point.
December 4, 2007 at 7:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bankz (anonymous) says...
HA HA HA exposed.......you better be careful what you say Early and poorboy it could come back to haunt you....lol
December 4, 2007 at 7:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
Here on Airstrip One, where politically correct newspeak is the official language, I bellyfeel that a little anonymity is necessary to speak the truth. Were one's identity to be revealed after making a post in a language other than newspeak, they could be made an unperson quickly, just as will happen to afternoondelight.
December 4, 2007 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skeeter (anonymous) says...
I don't see what the big deal is. It's the internet. Nothing is real here. I could be Jimmy Hoffa for all you know. Actually I'm Elvis and I really need to leave the building so I'll post more later. Thank ya, Thank ya very much.
December 4, 2007 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pygmon (anonymous) says...
Hey Elvis, I could use a fried 'nanner, bacon, mayo and p-nut butter sammich right now!
December 4, 2007 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
richardis (anonymous) says...
How delightful the newspaper can't keep user's integrity in tact. Exploitation is preying on the vunerable and especially people's trust. People are punished for acts such as credit card exploits, preying on children, the elderly, and people who scam individuals for their own benefit! Freedom of the press should be ethical. However, this article has exploited personal information, and seems to be outright slander. You just shot yourself in the the one foot you had, Ilene.
December 4, 2007 at 8:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
I expect to insite someone every time I post. With all the political correctness in our society today it seems someone always has their panties in a wad about something. A lot of times things are said tongue in cheek or are strongly worded to elicit comment from others. I don't think the name calling and threats are needed but I would hate to think that we were being monitored as to the correctness of our posts. Some of these threads do seem to turn into a confrontation between certain regular contributors. I personally enjoy and look forward to reading others posts even though I may not agree. I do however wish those with an agenda or wanting to belittle an individual would refrain from posting! Unfortunately I am one that would be stupid enough to ask the same questions and make the same observations in person. This is America for crying out loud and we should be able to express ourselves without fear of reprisal or threats from those that disagree. We all have different perspectives it just depends on which corner of the room you are looking at the subject from. Peace be with all of you!
December 4, 2007 at 8:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
cranky
Well done.
December 4, 2007 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bankz (anonymous) says...
crankyyankee i agree with you, i know a lot of poster are surprised, but i really do. I am going to take it race for a second here. There are posters here that love to make the black race look like animals. But we are not. All i want on this post is fairness and it is ok to have you opinion but when you opinion infringes on my feeling i feel compelled to respond to protect my race. And as long as Early and Poorboy continue to degrade my race i will continue to respond with a vengance.
December 4, 2007 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
issuetaker (anonymous) says...
I perfectly understand Frank Hunt's position, but simply being in that position shouldn't completely silence him in an individual capacity. I know some positions come with expected liberty constraints others have come to take for granted.
On the other hand the "pen name",or "screen name" in more modern parlance, is not only acceptable, but the best way to exercise a Constitutional right while remaining free of reprisal.
Instead of being castigated, the "outing" itself is sufficient punishment. All he did was to utilize a form of dissent in a fashion true to the finest traditions of America. Where would we have been without those papers who allowed anonymous readership or "pen names" to voice opinion of, or dissent with, King George?
December 4, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
desspec (anonymous) says...
Ah, the wonderful First Amendment ... good for the news media, but no one else.
December 4, 2007 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
diggerman (anonymous) says...
Before anyone breaks out the lynching rope let's remember the right to free speech.
Some may not agree with another's comments but that person still has the right to make them.
I find it refreshing that a person in the Solicitors office doesn't like crime and especially child molesters or those who make up stories of sexual exploitation to harm others.
Should i ever have to go to court...I can only hope that i am on his side of the aisle.
The P&C should be censored for revealing a poster's id,if they did that.
This message was posted from my home computer which shows my IP address.Come ande get me P&C...I have nothing to hide.
Frank O.Hunt for Mayor...please!!!
Diggerman
December 4, 2007 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Bankz, be the better person! I'm no better than Early or Poorboy when it comes to posting incindiary questions or comments, I just don't fuel negative replies with more negative replies. Having been raised in New England the distrust and sometimes hatered of blacks and yankees was new to me when I first came to the South. I remember the first time I went to a laundrymat in Goose Creek. They had a sign on the door that read "For Whtes Only". I went into the establishment and asked the attendent "Why in the world would you have a laundry where you can only wash white clothes?". The lady about lost her lunch and asked me "Where you from sweety?". Times have changed a lot since then and for the better. I do feel there has been a wedge driven between the races and it has been done by certain self proclaimed leaders (black and white) that pander to that divide. We do tend to talk in generalities on subjects and sometimes the individual gets caught in the stereotype. Blacks have been treated cruelly with distain and disrespect in the past and the yankees did invade the South and killed their loved ones and burned their homesteads so we all have reason to be angry but true progess in racial and cultural harmony will never be attained until we work together and admitt we are human and make mistakes. That won't happen in my life but seeing how far we've come in my life there is hope for the future.
December 4, 2007 at 9:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DCartisan (anonymous) says...
Did she make the sexual exploitation story? WOW. I pray that she & other exploited victims don't read some of these posts. Let's hang the accusers and let the guilty go free because there is no way they could commit a crime like that, WOW!
I would hate to be a victim in that courthouse and expect them to show me respect.
For ANYONE who think the internet is anonymous do a google search for your name, phone number, address, age, etc. I could find out where each of you were born, ever lived, live now and marital status for FREE.
December 4, 2007 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MC29461 (anonymous) says...
Only the computer administrator at the P&C has access to the user's e-mail address which tends to confirm many rumors that the P&C is creating the news to change public opinion not just reporting the news.
December 4, 2007 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Just got off phone with Mr. P. Crawford (P&C Internet manager) and he said that questions conerning this story should be refered to a Mr. Bill Hawkins (who heads up the news room - ph. 937-5534) for answers as to whether the leak occured at P&C).
December 4, 2007 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
My take on this situation is --
The subject of this article is a foolish man to risk his career by expressing his opinion so openly. He's pretty well thumbed his nose at his job! Who knows? Perhaps he hates his job, his fellow employees and his boss. Hard to say.
If these are, in truth, this man's postings, his lips are pretty loose, wouldn't you say? Think about it. Wouldn't a personality such as his just HAVE to SHARE it with someone in the office? Otherwise, the postings are no fun at all. Maybe he needs some controversy and excitement in his life? I think he's going to have it now!
Further, I have commented on this reporter several times as to his thorough research and coverage of issues. I suggest that it's not The P&C that cannot be trusted, but rather Mr. Smith's source is being protected.
Source? There are a handful or more of ignorant, driven, and threatening posters who I am sure have the abilities to 'trace' online. I vote for someone right in our midst!
December 4, 2007 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
devster (anonymous) says...
If the P&C wants people to stop leaving comments, then this is one way to do it. I think this is an incredible violation of trust. Not that I ever felt that this is secure in any way, but to release the information without any law enforcement involvement is just beyond reasonable.
December 4, 2007 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
That is unless afternoondelight was dumb enough to make his screenname the same as his email address. If someone who knows him, and knows that his address is afternoondelight@????.com then all they had to do was provide this information to the PnC. Of course the PnC would still have to confirm this, and then go beyond what's reasonable by printing a story about it. Rather than post about it here, however, I encourage everyone to bury the PnC with letters to the editor. If you have a subscription, cancel it (I did). You can always read it here. I often find the comments to be of more worth than the editorials (passed off as articles).
December 4, 2007 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bankz (anonymous) says...
crankyyankee and once again i do agree and thank you for your kind words.
December 4, 2007 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldglory (anonymous) says...
crankyyankee - as usual, good logic in your post!
The only thing I dislike about you is that you took that name before I could!
December 4, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MC29461 (anonymous) says...
The P&C had to systematically search all their User's e-mail addresses to find his address and probably is looking to run stories on other people posting to this site too.
Maybe some good reporter from another town will do an expose' on the P&C.
I bet whistle blowers will quit calling in new tips too for fear of having their identity reveal by the P&C.
What an unethical bunch of reporters.
December 4, 2007 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
combahee (anonymous) says...
When one posts it should be with the expectation that everyone knows who you are. If you can't say it with your name then don't try to hide behind a screen name.
I also get a laugh out of some posters that post quite provocatively yet give clues and even links to their web site that leads directly to their identity, work, address and even phone number. How stupid is that? calling majorjohnson...hahaha
Really maybe this will send a chill through some of the posters and good intelligent discussions will result. You are not protected by a screen name!
December 4, 2007 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
comb
Or maybe you will end up with the dregs.
December 4, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mythoughts (anonymous) says...
I'll take the fifth!!
December 4, 2007 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
juniemoon1957 (anonymous) says...
I am really Cher, and I got your number Babe.
December 4, 2007 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Girleygirl (anonymous) says...
If he posted his comments at work, during business hours, maybe he hould have read his employers policy about internet use. Maybe they were doing an internet sweep and pulled up all of the IP address in the system and notice one particular IP and www.charleston.net and they got in contact with the P&C. When the P&C noticed whom it was and what they wanted they ranned a story....
LMAO
Be careful what you post on the internet while you are on the job.
December 4, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Cid95 (anonymous) says...
"...after someone traced anonymous comments posted on Charleston.net to an e-mail account that bears his name."
Wouldn't a professional journalist normally feel inadequate or incompetent by writing a story whose crux is the action of "someone" without at least making some effort to describe who "someone" is and/or what they did?
Apparently not. Or >gasp< maybe we are dealing with somewhat less than a professional here?
Implanted Yankee - Nice! I am Emmanual Goldstein, behind this silly facade.
December 4, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OverHere (anonymous) says...
The real story is of course who at the Post and Courier leaked his identity or how is identity was compromised.
I think that privacy promotes free dialouge.
December 4, 2007 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I say that we should eather contact Mr. Hawkin and ask for clarification or waite for a clarification here or in tomorrows paper and if we don't get it, stop posting until we do. Someone suggested cancelation of our hard copies of the P&C - not a bad idea.
December 4, 2007 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
I think it's funny that he got busted....
December 4, 2007 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Hey..
I don't
December 4, 2007 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hey_U_Guys (anonymous) says...
I really don't see what the big deal is...
December 4, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RTC (anonymous) says...
No matter whom a person is or what position they hold should their privacy not be honored?
Everyone knows that most people make some comments that are inflammatory at some time or another. Is this not their right to freedom of speech?
The P&C does have a posting policy, so if someone objects to a comment it is their decision whether to remove the comment or not.
I am truly appalled concerning this matter.
Answer up, P&C.
December 4, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MsBehavin (anonymous) says...
RTC - I agree with you 100%. Mr. Hunt is not an elected official and did not release confidential information.
December 4, 2007 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mizzmadison (anonymous) says...
Posted by mizzmadison on December 1, 2007 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just reading some of these comments, tells me that we are living among some of the most racist freaking pigs! Many of you hide behind a computer screen and type some of the most hateful comments one can ever imagine! Hell, some of you only comment on stories that involved black people! Facts: only six comments about the guys who slipped his co-worker the date -rape drug, seven comments regarding the missing funds from Berkely County, and why are you guys not applading the students at Academic Magnet School for their great accomplishments? Instead, some of you bit^& about how many kids these woman have! Yeah, I pay taxes too, but does that give me the right to tell someone how many kids they should have? Hell No! Poorboy: you need to bring your azz on St.Margret where I live, just to see how many young white girls are dropped of by their parents who are to ashamed to even visit their daughter at The Florence Crittion Home for unwed girls. The only difference is the white girls give their child up for adoption, and go back to their perfect world like nothing never happened, whereas the black girls take their child home with them. Does that make them any better???? No, they spread their freaking legs too, and got pregnant! So, please shut the hell up about that garbage!
bankz, your comments are so true, you never know what your child will do behind your back! It is so sad that some of you have so much hate in your heart for people of color. At the end of the day, we all bleed the same damn color (RED)!
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Wow! I just commented on Saturday about a few poster on this site making such rude comments,and what do we have here today? As the saying goes: Be careful how you choose your words, you may have to eat them tomorrow!
Where is poorboy hiding today??????
December 4, 2007 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
juniemoon1957 (anonymous) says...
I am still Cher and the beat goes on. Drums keep pounding rhythms....
December 4, 2007 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crankyyankee (anonymous) says...
Mizmadison, you come accross as very bitter narrow minded person. The date rape article is an isolated incident that is so bizzar as to be news and affects only the parties involved. The unbridled breeding by irresponsible mothers affect all of us on a daily basis. If I have to pay taxes to support a child that was brought into this world by an irresponsible adult it is my business how many kids they have! At the very least the mothers going to the FC Home are not going to be coming to the tax payer for their breeders stipend. Don't try to defend wrong, because it is wrong no matter what color it takes. Bless your heart, even though it's full of rage!
December 4, 2007 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephaniem (anonymous) says...
if anyone wanted to know who you were...just contact them via here and wait until they email you back.
always get yahoo or hotmail w/o your last name
December 4, 2007 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I don't understand what is happening - I thought we were commenting on the Frank O Hunt stuation and internet security?
December 4, 2007 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Edwin435 (anonymous) says...
We are all ADD lol cant stay on topic.....
December 4, 2007 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Local (anonymous) says...
I agree with RTC. This is a very disturbing action that the P&C has taken.
December 4, 2007 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
prosperous_hb (anonymous) says...
mizzmadison, I agree with your post. The truth does hurt!!
December 4, 2007 at 1:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JD_Simms (anonymous) says...
According to the article:
Jennings, who had read the posts, said he was most troubled by the attack on the credibility of the sexual assault victim. "I obviously don't think people in the solicitor's office should be attacking victims," he said.
Mr. Jennings' comments are no different than Mr. Hunt's. Until a court says otherwise, we are talking about an ALLEGED victim. Neither one of these men should be making public assumptions about the guilt or innocence of the parties involved.
Regarding the P&C's article...slow news day? Or is this a conscience decision to compete with the smear rags and tabloids? Given the legacy and history of this newspaper we, your readers, expected a higher standard. Shame on you.
December 4, 2007 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bankz (anonymous) says...
Early so what you are telling me is that if you are not a regular you can't post certain things. I have been on the site as you stated since Dec 1 so today is the 4th and i posted everyday since then, so that would make me a regular would you say
December 4, 2007 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yeahright (anonymous) says...
Frank O. Hunt's right to freedom of speech has not been denied. No one is guaranteed the right to anonymous free speech. While you may not agree with P&C outing him publicly, the argument about free speech doesn't hold water. I think a lot of people are upset because they no longer feel safe typing things they wouldn't say without the safety of anonymity.
December 4, 2007 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bankz (anonymous) says...
I think as long as those views expressed on the post are not affecting his decision on the job, he should be able to post what he wants.
December 4, 2007 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Edwin435 (anonymous) says...
Has anyone notice that back in the old days...a few weeks ago that anonymous appeared next to every posters name now it doesnt.... I may be mistaken but it used to. Perhaps P&C changed this since it was noticed that political and public figures were posting on here?
December 4, 2007 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
WOW! WOW! WOW!
EARLY!!!!! What did you say that got you removed!!!! You and I battle all of the time but I do support you, poorboy or anyone else to express themselves on this site, regardless if I agree with them or not.
Thank God I use the most common name in the world as my screen name or I would be afraid. VERY AFRAID!!!!!
Some people want to post anonymously as to feel free from the political correct constraints of society. Sometimes the TRUTH HURTS however many feel they will be vilified for saying what EVERYONE knows to be true.
Others use anonymity to hide their true nature, disdainful of women, minorities, gays, etc. Knowing full well that they probably have a Black Lesbian as a supervisor and don't want to lose their job. LOLOLOL Without a doubt there are plenty of racists and bigots and sexists that post on this site, Black, White, Hispanic, male and female. And many of them 'hide' behind a screen name.
SO WHAT? I don't see the issue of people wanting to feel secure behind the veil of anonymity. As long as they understand that IF they are ever exposed that one must be man or woman enough to own up to their words and face the consequences of such "free speech".
I don't have that problem. Frankly I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of me as long as I'm sure what I write is truth as I know it.
December 4, 2007 at 1:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Two_Sheds (anonymous) says...
Though I could be mistaken, I'm thoroughly convinced that the leak came from within the Post & Courier, most likely from someone with admin priveleges. In any case, it's scary--and positively dispicable--that someone at P&C is abusing our privacy priveleges just to get a hot story.
Though security may not be spelled out in the forum bylaws, I think it's pretty much IMPLIED that we are secure in our anonymity here, and that nobody from P&C is going to publicly rat us out.
But I could be mistaken--watch the P&C go and publish a "who's who" list in tomorrow's paper!
December 4, 2007 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Two_Sheds (anonymous) says...
Posted by Neponset:
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Neponset, I agree 100% that the powers-that-be at the P&C owe us an explanation as to exactly WHY Mr. Hunt's identity was made public. No news story is worth violating someone's trust in this manner. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on the P&C for this bad judgement call!
December 4, 2007 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
Is any of this a real surprise? How many times have we the public, heard "a source close to (Blank) has comfirmed".... and what about FEMA and the press conference during the CA wildfires, and a host of other dirty tricks when it comes to elections.
The whole thing is pretty funny, if you ask me. Most of my posts I'll put my name. It's not like you can't figure it out if you have some basic computer skills.
Your IP addy is out there for everyone to see.
I write a blog at postandcourierblogs.com/life_floating_by/ and if you comment on a story I post, it shows your IP Address.
Also, cookies are like crumbs you leave them everywhere and they lead right back to you.
So it's not big deal to me, of course I'm not outing people or using profane, racist, or even hateful words to express my views.
And.... right do that at the bottom of this page is the link to the P&C's "privacy policy"....
Chris McIntire
December 4, 2007 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mizzmadison (anonymous) says...
crankyyankee: I personally don't give a damn what you think about me or my post!
I just simply stated how a few posters hide behind a screen name and print such rude comments.
I don't feel as if I have to defend myself to you or anyone else. Furthermore, if anyone is guilty of defending the wrong, it appears to be you!
Early: You are exactly right! We should not be subjected to threatening attacks, based on our personal opinions.
bankz: I know some folks can really get under your skin at times, but please keep in mind, you must choose your words very carefully.........
December 4, 2007 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ccalder (anonymous) says...
I think it's a bit ironic that a person who worked so closely for a number of years with at least two local TV stations as well as with the Solicitor's Office doesn't realize that he can be tracked so easily to such online statements. While he's not an elected official, he still holds a prominent position working with victims of crime and unfortunately, such comments cannot be overlooked. Mr. Hunt is a smart and capable man in many ways and has far too much experience in PR, media coverage, and working with the Solicitor's Office (he previously worked about 5 years for Charlie Condon, too) to be saying such things in a public forum. Unfortunately, he just doesn't have the heart, wisdom, or intelligence that I once thought he had which would have prevented such an incident. I am immensely disappointed.
December 4, 2007 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
locallady (anonymous) says...
In one posting, "afternoon- delight" questioned the credibility of a girl who reportedly had been sexually victimized by an adult at school. The poster suggested that the girl "made the whole thing up" in hopes of getting the married man all to herself. "Conniving little tramp," he wrote.
In a handful of posts, "afternoondelight" weighs in on political contests. His take on Charleston Mayor Joe Riley running strongest in white voting areas in the Nov. 6 election: "Dat's cause wite peeple ain't stoopit."
These are the two comments that really are alarming. Certainly with his connections to the Solicitor's office, they are in really bad taste. I am sorry that he was outed, freedom of speech and all that, but I can remember looking up his posts pertaining to another issue and he was outed at that time as being someone who worked for 4, and was fired. I don't think it was an inside PC thing at all. I am new to this whole posting thing and really enjoy all of the posts on every issue. But really, when I read some of his posts a few days ago, I thought he was a bit off his rocker.
December 4, 2007 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Motor
I am at the bottom of the learning curve about ID/IP. I accept that the P&C can learn my IP - hell they already have my E-mail address etc, but you are saying that when I submit my comment and it goes thru the P&C computers/filters etc. my IP is still visable to tech savvy folks reading my comment on Charleston.net?
December 4, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Lady
Good thoughts, and like you, I enjoy this forum, but can't say that I enjoy reading some posts.
December 4, 2007 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
juniemoon1957 (anonymous) says...
OKAY....I am still Cher....and not a thief, but maybe...a tramp and maybe not so much a gypsy. I have a house. And...I have naturally red hair, not black. Half-breed. Now, my secret is out.
December 4, 2007 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Doug
I give up, who is chapsman?
December 4, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tigerfish (anonymous) says...
Doug- in all sincerity I am curious as to what your posts mean. As a product of South Carolina's public school system, is there a way you can dumb it down a notch for me? I think you've got some great points. I just don't have enough time to keep looking up what your posts mean. You can help make my unending quest for knowledge a lot easier. Thanks!
December 4, 2007 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eyfigueroa (anonymous) says...
Juniemoon: i love you!!!!!!!
December 4, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ForPnC (anonymous) says...
Hey, Cher! - How's this for a user name?
December 4, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
Everytime you log on you create a trail of ... for lack of a better word evidence. Your computer should it be yours will lead back to you. How easy that is depends on many factors.
In most cases all that can be determined is that you used the same computer to post a comment under a couple of aliases, went to ebay and bought cardboard cutouts of Hillary Clinton, and order a pizza from dominos.
Which is why, everytime you pull up yahoo there are little sidebar ads for guns and ammo in Charleston, SC.
Boards and networks like face book and myspace are great places to express yourself. But you have to keep in mind it's just like putting up a billboard up on I-26.
Put a couple of key words in an email and I'm pretty sure it will be screened by the NSA, FBI and Secret Service.
But the point here is you are NOT anonymous.
Hold on..... What? .....Somone is knocking at my door? ....No biggie It's just a couple of guys in suits and dark sunglasses.
UGH!
December 4, 2007 at 4:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sandy37 (anonymous) says...
I just love it. No one in their right minds expect privacy either on the telephone or online. We lost out privacy rights a long time ago..I like the idea that questionable headlines are put out there and to see how far it goes, and just who is involved.
December 4, 2007 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
juniemoon1957 (anonymous) says...
eyfigueroa...thank you...thank you....I love you as well. So nice to have a big fan base....you just got to BELIEVE....and be LIVING PROOF....and All I Want To Do....is baby be friends with you....because IF I Could Turn Back Time.....but you know what eyfigueroa? I have not FOUND SOMEONE....like I said.....could not get a man in the Alabama State Pen with a fist full of pardons.....
December 4, 2007 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MDW (anonymous) says...
LOL Junie!
December 4, 2007 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Back to IP. Did a search (Yahoo) and came up with several sights that gave me my IP and one even had a map which showed the general area where I live. There were a number of forums that seemed to be into lots of discussions about changing/hiding IP and there was an expert to explain what to do. Of course they had something to sell, like service/server to conceal you IP. Another sight explained in laymans terms how to get some ones IP using various softwear. For me they were able to get to my internet provider (like Comcast), but no further. Sounds like thats where a court order would be required.
December 4, 2007 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
robeweise (anonymous) says...
I guess Mr Hunt peeved off the wrong guy at the P&C. Luckily for me I'm just a lowly blue collar guy so I can still say whatever I want, no one is going to care.
December 4, 2007 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
www.youhide.com
December 4, 2007 at 6:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
while I do agree what the PC obviously did was in bad taste and a serious violation of privacy, even though this is their domain, I don't say anything here I don't or wouldn't say face to face believe it or not
the only real difference is the fact that I don't have a clue who I'm discussing things with here
but yeaaa the PC should slap their own hand, it's obvious that it was their staff that did this... unless someone hacked it just for this info, which is a ridiculous idea because that hack wouldn't be followed with PC's own story on their own outting of someone here
unless you have admin privileges you can't see who's here and where they are coming from, but there is a steady log of anyone's IP that comes on here...
and an even more detailed one of those that log on here with username, times, post, ip, etc etc
this isn't brain surgery, with a mere click they can find out who you are
if you can telnet into here you can do a who and find out who's here and where they are from in seconds, so imagine how much easier that is using their own server software
December 4, 2007 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
diggerman (anonymous) says...
I find it refreshing that an employee likes his boss and supports her.
As far as the statement "dats cause wite peeple ain't stopit"...
Almost perfect Geechie with some Gullah mixed...a reflection of the speech of thousands of Charlestonians of Mr.Hunt's era.
My MaMa talked like that...
Diggerman
December 4, 2007 at 7:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Carma (anonymous) says...
Aww Poor Frankie
Frank has always thought he was so "high class" and better than everyone else but i hope this bites him in the butt.
I hope he gets reprimanded to the highest for his comments.
I guess we all know what Carma is LOL
December 4, 2007 at 7:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
diggerman (anonymous) says...
Carma....did he put you in jail? You sound bitter about something.I wonder if it's personal or job related.
Diggerman
December 4, 2007 at 7:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
skeeter (anonymous) says...
What a friggin worthless article. Who cares what anybody posts.
December 4, 2007 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
poorboy (anonymous) says...
I quit! I truly didn't want any posting I made to be viewd as racist. And that truly hurts because if you people only knew. I surely never threatened anyone as bankz does or post profanities as bankz does. I abided by the rules. I just want to post facts that hopefully would change our society. And they are the facts. You can watch the news and see what I would argue most but you'd have to take your blinders off! In the end Frankohunt got screwed. This DOES allow anonimity (sic) and allowed people to voice an opinion they might not always state out loud. Also provided a look from different perspectives. Oh well I'm out! See ya I'm going blogging!
December 4, 2007 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
Posted by the P&C at 4:09
Wis. teacher arrested for blog comment
By RYAN J. FOLEY
Associated Press Writer
MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Bloggers and free speech advocates are calling on prosecutors not to file charges against a teacher arrested for allegedly posting an anonymous comment online praising the Columbine shooters.
Some were disturbed by the post police say James Buss left on a conservative blog, but other observers said it was a sarcastic attempt to discredit critics of education spending.
The suburban Milwaukee high school chemistry teacher was arrested last week for the Nov. 16 comment left on http://www.bootsandsabers.com , a blog on Wisconsin politics. The comment, left under the name "Observer," came during a discussion over teacher salaries after some commenters complained teachers were underworked and overpaid.
Buss, a former president of the teacher's union, allegedly wrote that teacher salaries made him sick because they are lazy and work only five hours a day. He praised the teen gunmen who killed 12 students and a teacher before committing suicide in the April 1999 attack at Columbine High School.
"They knew how to deal with the overpaid teacher union thugs. One shot at a time!" he wrote, adding they should be remembered as heroes.
The comment disturbed at least one teacher, who called police in West Bend, 40 miles north of Milwaukee and home of the blog's administrator. Police traveled to arrest Buss at his home in Cudahy, south of Milwaukee, last week after the blogger gave them the anonymous poster's IP address.
Hummmmm.....
The moral here? Don't say stupid stuff! lol
December 4, 2007 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sandy37 (anonymous) says...
I wish the Post Courier would put all this in their newspaper, say on the Editorial Page...The Internet is so limted by whom they can reach. I bet they would get a real big response.
December 4, 2007 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
"Don't say stupid stuff", "Don't post if you don't want your identity revealed", etc, etc.
I guess some people here have never heard of Thomas Paine, or understand the plight of people in nations where thought control is a matter of national policy, such as China. I suppose that, in a state that struggles teaching basic reading and math, perhaps study of history and current events have suffered.
Just because googling "democracy" can't get you imprisoned in this country doesn't mean we don't have thought control here as well. Political-correctness is thought control all its own, and while a threat to one's career is not danger to life or limb, it is destructive. As such, a certain degree of anonymity is a necessity to preserve honest debate.
Why do we celebrate the likes of Chinese bloggers while vilifying those in this country that want to express a viewpoint that our own thought police will not permit?
The Post and Courier should be ashamed of what they did here, but having read the haughty, condescending responses to user-posed criticisms of this paper by its editors in the past, I know this will not be the case.
PnC: Not only is my subscription canceled, but I used Firefox adblock to block all of your advertisements. You won't make a dime from me.
December 4, 2007 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
"Posted by Sandy37 on December 4, 2007 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wish the Post Courier would put all this in their newspaper, say on the Editorial Page...The Internet is so limted by whom they can reach. I bet they would get a real big response."
___
very untrue Sandy, in todays world most people get their news online... not in the actual physical paper you hold in your hands
I'm sure the PC gets way more readers than they ever could have dreamed of before, which means way more people see responses as well
more households have the internet than have cable TV, and on average households have 2 computers
I don't have cable TV but have 5 working computers in the house, and skim most of my news off of the net before ever being interested enough to buy a paper
it's an online world now more than ever
even the online holiday shopping this year has skyrocketed like never before
December 4, 2007 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I checked the paper and Charleston.net this morning and could not find a follow up by the P&C, if I missed something, please let me know.
I take this silence as an admission of breach of trust with posters of the Charleston.net. While I don't think that I have anything to be ashamed of in my 500+ posts, I don't like what has happened and have decided to stop posting and see how things develope. I suggest right thinking posters do the same.
December 5, 2007 at 5:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MotoryachtSoCo (anonymous) says...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
As you can see the 1st Amendment is pretty wide ranging and subject to broad interpretation, of course the world in 1789 was without internet, but the press was much the deal back in the day.
However, the first five words are what count.
"Congress shall make no law" and that is all there is to it. Nothing in there about what you can do, or what the P&C can or can't do, or the NFL or NBA or Park and Recreation, or your employer can or can't do.
Which is why you can't carry a sign over at the Joe saying: "Mayor Riley is a ding dong". Or have a confederate battle flag on your tool box at work if your employer doesn't like it or hide behind a username if the P&C wants to out you.
On the other hand you can call your teddy bear any name you want to.
December 5, 2007 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ThePhink (anonymous) says...
116 post and no comment from the newsless courier?
December 5, 2007 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
grhodesiii (anonymous) says...
I don't really get it. Why does this matter at all? I consider myself a rather astute political observer, and I don't really understand why it matters to anyone what a part-time beaurocrat who was a reporter with one of our local stations posting have anything to do with anything. Is this some kind of vendetta or jealousy or revenge? Doesn't make sense to me other than the P&C has hurt their confidentiality understanding with their posters. Is that what the deal is? If so, then that make a little more sense.
Sincerely, Unconcerned
December 5, 2007 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mac0cm4 (anonymous) says...
Does anyone really think that anyone at the P&C will be held liable for leaking that? Our own admininistration hasn't been held liable for the Plame leak - and that could have cost lives.
December 5, 2007 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Atma (anonymous) says...
Not to get sidetracked, but I think the most fundemental question is HOW did this information about Hunt get leaked. I would certainly hope that "someone" is not at the PnC, since PnC's Privacy Policy clearly states:
6. Other uses. In addition to the uses set forth elsewhere in this Privacy Statement, Evening Post may use or disclose personal or non-personal information: (i) in cases where we believe in good faith that it is necessary to prevent a crime, an injury or financial loss to ourselves or to third parties; (ii) to protect against misuse or unauthorized use of this Site (including violation of the Terms of Use); (iii) pursuant to a court order, warrant, subpoena, discovery request, or as required by law; (iv) in conjunction with the sale or offering for sale of some or all of Evening Post; (v) in the event of Evening Post's bankruptcy, assignment for the benefit of creditors, or similar financial circumstances; and/or (vi) when you have been made aware of the possibility of use or disclosure of the information at or prior to the time of collection.
Regardless of the comments made, or how you feel about the comments, the bigger question (IMHO) is WHY PnC felt complelled to violate their own policy.
Understood that, "Charleston.net allows readers to post comments on stories under anonymous screen names, but the site specifically states that comments concerning stories 'will not be considered confidential.' " The comments themselves are not confidential, however the disclosure of personal information is another matter entirely.
December 5, 2007 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
Hmmm.. I wonder what crime, injury, or financial loss they were trying to prevent by identifying him? Or was he misusing the site (not as far as I could tell)? Was there a court order (I doubt it since that wasn't in the article)? Or is the paper for sale (doesn't seem to be the case)?
Failing in those, it would seem as though the site administrator, the paper's editors, and the article author decided to play Calvinball with their own rules. I wonder if any of them are also on the town council in Mt. P?
December 5, 2007 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MDW (anonymous) says...
I've been on this board for a few short months and have enjoyed almost all of you. Opinions are great stuff, especially when you get to ramble back and forth on a specific issue.
I'll have to go with a few other posters on this issue. I've canceled my subscription and I'll no longer post.
Thanks for the faith, P&C. It matches your journalism style.
December 5, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sistasue (anonymous) says...
Nice to know his opinion matters to so many. Is P&C so pitiful it has resorted to this? All of you so quick to judge need to get a life.
December 5, 2007 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
I'm done here as well...
it isn't what he did or didn't say, it's the principle of "outing" someone like this that really stinks
bad move PC
December 5, 2007 at 5:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ThePhink (anonymous) says...
ThePhink has left the building. It is bad enough they outed someone but then don't even give a reason or any comfort to those still posting. Bad move.
December 6, 2007 at 8:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ImplantedYankee (anonymous) says...
Sue: Who's been too quick to judge? The PnC violated the trust of their readers for the sake of tabloid journalism.
December 6, 2007 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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