Felony charges
Prosecutor says Egyptian students had pipe bombs in car
By Dave Munday , Glenn Smith
The Post and Courier
Yousef Megahed (center), 21, and Ahmed Mohamed (right), either 24 or 26 according to arrest records, were charged Monday with possession of an explosive device.
Prosecutor says Egyptian students had pipe bombs in car
MONCKS CORNER — Two Florida students accused of having pipe bombs in the trunk of their car when they were pulled over in Goose Creek are "confused and scared," their attorney said Monday.
Yousseff Megahed, 21, and Ahmed Mohamed, 26, both Egyptian citizens, were calm and polite in Berkeley County bond court. They were charged Monday with carrying explosive devices, which is a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
The weekend arrest drew national attention, because the U.S. Naval Consolidated Brig, a military prison where enemy combatants are held, and the Naval Weapons Station are nearby. An FBI spokesman said the two are not suspected of being part of a terrorist plot.
The leader of a Muslim advocacy group who has been talking with Megahed's family said the two were heading to North Carolina to celebrate Mohamed's birthday, which was Sunday.
"Family members are very concerned, shocked about what has developed," said Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
The contents of the trunk might have been part of the celebration, he said.
Mohamed asked for a chance to speak at Monday's bond hearing and said he was carrying fireworks in the trunk. Magistrate Ava Bryant Ayers reminded him that the bond hearing was to determine whether they were flight risks and not to talk about details of the charges.
Ayers set a $300,000 bond for Megahed and $500,000 for Mohamed. Solicitor Scarlett Wilson argued that the two were flight risks. A hearing on the charges is scheduled for Oct. 5.
An affidavit from the Berkeley County Sheriff's Office said officers from the bomb squad determined that pipe bombs were in the trunk. Pipe bombs are homemade explosives, and making or having them is a felony.
Mohamed told the arresting officer he used materials he bought at a Wal-Mart, according to the affidavit.
The two were pulled over about 5:30 p.m. Saturday near U.S. Highway 176 and Myers Road in Goose Creek. Their attorney, Dennis Rhoad of Charleston, said he had not had a chance to ask them why they were in Goose Creek.
Rhoad said the pair understands the seriousness of the charges and that they are "confused and scared. ... They take the charges seriously."
A Berkeley County deputy said he pulled over the 2000 Toyota Camry for going more than 60 mph in a 45 mph zone. Megahed was driving. Mohamed was using a laptop computer in the passenger's seat and closed it when a deputy approached, Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt said.
The deputy asked to search the car, and the two consented, DeWitt said. When the deputy asked if there was anything in the car he should be aware of, the men said there were fireworks in the trunk, DeWitt said.
The laptop, along with everything else seized from the car, was handed over to the FBI for processing, DeWitt said, declining to elaborate on what they seized or the specific materials found in the trunk.
The FBI also wasn't saying anything definite about what they found. "Right now, we're still in the investigative stages," said Denise Taiste, an FBI spokeswoman in Columbia.
Both men are students at the University of South Florida in Tampa.
Megahed told the court he's a full-time student working on a degree in mechanical engineering. He said he is a native of Egypt, has been in the United States for four years, is a legal resident and recently applied for American citizenship. He said his parents and brother and sister live in Tampa. He said he has been working at a mental health clinic while in school since the first of July. Before that, he worked at a Chevy car dealership and a Jiffy Lube, he said.
Mohamed said he also is an Egyptian citizen who has been in the United States since January. He said he is a teaching assistant at the university while working on his doctorate in civil engineering. He has no relatives in the United States, he said.
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postman01 (anonymous) says...
The P & C has screwed up here. Why did they break the discussion thread for what is obviously a multiday story. This needs to be corrected.
August 7, 2007 at 1:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LI58 (anonymous) says...
These "bombs" could not have been of any major signifigance. The FBI would not have turned the case back over to the BCSO.
August 7, 2007 at 4 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mac0cm4 (anonymous) says...
postman01 - maybe they got tired of all the religious garbage in the other one.
August 7, 2007 at 5:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mggoose2000 (anonymous) says...
While innocent until proven guilty, these people are no less subject to our legal system than any US citizen. They will be afforded due process and Mr. Rhoad's reputation is well known. As for the preponderance of the evidence, it would seem that every American would demand that if these people actually had "explosives" in their possession, they should be treated as "terrorists" at the very least. People of middle eastern decent are going to be scrutinized because of the acts of terroism against the US in the last decade. 9/11 was just the "straw the broke the camels back" where the US was concerned, since there had been many other attacks previously. I firmly believe that the "terrorists", what ever their country of origin, are actively planning the time when they will catch us with our pants down and spank us! We must be ever vigilant.
August 7, 2007 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
mggoose: I am an american, and I don't agree with one word that you have said. I think your post is ridiculous.
August 7, 2007 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
If these were white kids, from say Mt. Pleasant, would all this really be going on? All the national attention? Negative. It's due to these men's skin color and ethnicity that they are being treated like this. Boy if only there were an organization like the NAACP for Middle Easterners. I could only imagine.
August 7, 2007 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
swaky2000 (anonymous) says...
What explosives? Didn't the bomb squad destroy whatever was in the trunk? They might be guilty but without evidence what are you going to do? I think somebody skrewed up and now they're trying to make the best of it.
August 7, 2007 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I wonder what type of explosives where used in these "pipe bombs". Was it some kind of home brew such as black powder or some other nitrate based mix, which is easy to make with generally available materials or some modern explosive, like plastic explosives which require detonators, which are not so easy to get. I guess we will never know.
August 7, 2007 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hawneena (anonymous) says...
Did they say anything yesterday about these guys being Egyptian? I personally know an Egyptian family that have been U.S. citizens for 30 yrs. They are of the Egyptian Orthodox religion. They love this country and were just as upset about 9/11 as any of us. I would never group this family in the same class as a bunch of raghead terrorists. So, what's up with these two? Fireworks turn into pipe bombs and a $800,000 bond? They don't sound like peaceful, naive students to me.
August 7, 2007 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
doiseeu2 (anonymous) says...
These two are being scrutinized unfairly because of their ethnicity. Remember the boys on James Island a while back that were in possession of the pipe bombs, they didn't go through anything like this.
Remember that in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty - not the other way around. Unfortunately many in our community have all ready condemned these men. At this point, all these men are are two naive college students - not terrorists.
August 7, 2007 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlene68 (anonymous) says...
bhippy... I think the whites need an organization like the NAACP, are there any ? cause I dont know of any ? Im not trying to be smart i just dont know of any do you ?? When we have racial remarks slurred to us about being crackers !!! I think we need someone to call on, what you think ? and I want to know who it is ? ....
August 7, 2007 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hawneena (anonymous) says...
charlene, I have been told that there is a NAAWP. I have yet to hear or see proof of their existence. Who you gonna call......Ghostbusters! LOL
August 7, 2007 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Well, whatever they are....amateur terrorists or idiots, it sucks to be them. SC is not a good place for a man of Middle Eastern descent to be caught w/ a pipe bomb because they may face swifter justice at the hands of fellow inmates than in the court system. Ironically, these idiots are right down the street so I'm sure the media circus will be slowing down my comute for the next several months, so I guess it sucks to be me too.
One thing I'll say....they're pretty darn brazen to smile for their mugshots, which makes me think there may be something to this small time terrorism theory. That or they trully are idiots. Not a way I'd want to spend my 15 minutes of fame.
August 7, 2007 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RockSolidRepublican (anonymous) says...
Of COURSE we care so much because of the color of their skin. They belong to a Complete CULTURE that HATES Americans, Freedom, and Justice! If you don't believe me, Read a BOOK! I reccomend "Inside the Kingdom" by Carmen Bin Ladin.
We found BOMBS in their CAR. OF COURSE we should treat them as terrorists!! Have you grown so callous to forget 9/11??? Does your "patriotism" fade so quickly??
Innocent until proven guily: YES, the truth will come out!
Ignore the fact that they had bombs just because we don't want to seem guily of "racial profiling": IDIOTIC and SUICIDAL!
completely agree with NavyBlueBlood.
August 7, 2007 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
If all of you are so psychic and you have all the facts, would one of you please list EXACTLY what they found in the trunk?
Didn't think so!
Before you go and convict these guys it is my OPINION that in the end you will find that these so-called "bombs" were made out of PVC pipe (Homemade M80s). Or better yet you will find out they were modifying store bought fireworks to get a bigger bang.
For you people that engage your mouth and think later, First if there was any "terror link" the FBI would not have turned everything back over to the "local yokels".
Second, if the had been ant true pipe bombs found (the type made from galvanized pipe and caps) the FBI would have turned it over to the BATF and they would be prosecuting these guys.
What really happened? I don't know but here's my OPINION. Routine speeding, cop sees some homemade M80s made from 1/2" or 1" PVC then it all goes downhill from there. Here's a chance for the "Bomb Squad" to shut down the road and "play with their robot". They call the FBI and after checking it out the FBI says "Why are you guys calling us? You guys can handle Cherry Bombs." Now no one wants to look like a fool and the media whips up that Charleston is under a terrorist attack.
Sad thing is, you all play into their hands. Wise up, ask your law enforcement what exactly was in the trunk!
One last thing, remember when the "bomb squad" shut down I-526 when a weather instrument landed on top of a container at the port? See what happened in this case and everytime the word "Bomb" is used? Ask yourself how many "Bombs" have gone off in Charleston Area over the past 30 years and how many people have died? Now ask yourself how many murders we had in the tri-county area in 2006? Maybe we should be spending more towards the murder rate and less towards the "robots".
August 7, 2007 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarineMomx2 (anonymous) says...
Ok, What a lot of people are overlooking is this - If you were driving from Tampa (where I use to live) to North Carolina, why would you be driving in Goose Creek on 176? You would drive one of several ways out of Tampa, which would eventually put you on 95. Even if you wanted to go to say Wilmington NC - one of the most southern cities on the NC coast, you would stay on 95 until at least Florence if you were going to go into NC via Myrtle Beach. Once AAA routed a family member from Florida to Camp LeJeune NC to drive up 17 along the coast all through SC and then NC until arriving at Camp LeJeune, even if they decided to do that, 176 is a long way from 17 in Mt Pleasant.
August 7, 2007 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
da9 (anonymous) says...
Did anyone see these pieces last night on the news laughing it up in the court room, then act shocked when the judge didn't let them walk out? People like these two make me "scared and confused". I don't want these two near our Navy base with bomb making material. Also, did anyone see the search of the house that was filled with computers? I believe this was a foiled terror plot.
I don't think these men are being "scrutinized because of their ethnicity", they should know better. Why else would they have bomb making materials in their car? Their organization is Al Quaida, whites have the KKK just like there is the NAACP-all the same thing. These are not normal upstanding American citizens like most of the people around here. Wasn't Padilla a citizen? Navyblueblood, I'm totally with you on this one.
August 7, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
da9 (anonymous) says...
Amen scnative4ever!
August 7, 2007 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
RockSolidRepublican (anonymous) says...
Father of 3, I would ask you to please show a little respect to our local law enforcement, who are just doing their job, and doing it well.
August 7, 2007 at 9:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hawneena (anonymous) says...
Father of 3, do you think anything that looks suspicious, especially concerning our port, should be poo-pooed off? If local law enforcement doesn't take a serious stand and something bad happens, then people like you will be the first ones screaming that they should have done their jobs.
August 7, 2007 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kjbrack (anonymous) says...
Let's think about if the tables were turned and it was two Americans caught in the same situation but over in the Middle East. Would they be scared and confused? I don't think they would have lived to see the sun come up the next day much less see a court room. For the bail to be set this high tells me that there is more to this story than we are being told. All the talk about un-fair treatment because of race is BS. This country is at war with terrorist like these two.
August 7, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
SlumberPartyGirl (anonymous) says...
I think one of the big concerns is that they were going to North Carolina, but they were on Hwy 176? It seems a bit fishy, especially since the base is very close by.
August 7, 2007 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
da9 (anonymous) says...
Father of 3 sure has a lot of trust and respect in these men-and a lot of knowledge about pipe bombs-flyboy-I smell that a certain father of 3 is involved. I support our local law enforcement on this one because our town isn't in bits right now. I'm glad I wouldn't ever put my kids through a terrorist attack because society says it's wrong to be prejudice. Father of three sure acts like he knows all about this and I think he's involved. I don't respect killers (or those who attempt). Bombs haven't went off in the past 30 years because we've done a good job at keeping the terrorists over there and because of good little incidents like this one-busting these two pieces. Father of three, why do you care so much about these two pieces? How about you ask what was in the trunk and show the law your knowledge of bomb making...maybe they could use you since these two pieces are "innocent" in your eyes because you know them so well.
August 7, 2007 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MarineMomx2 (anonymous) says...
My son went to the Univ of South Florida and having lived there - trust me not all of the engineers there are brilliant. We saw one of the Prof's trying to place his sun shade for the car - on the outside - trying to stop the windshield wipers mid way to hold the sun shade on - AND that was a Engineering Prof - of Middle Eastern Descent! And I can't remember his name now, but USF had one of their Engineer Prof's arrested for running a group connected to Hamas - he was also one of the leaders of the local mosque in Tampa. These are not innocent students - they were in Goose Creek for a purpose. I too saw their laughing in the court room - Punks are punks no matter where they are from!
August 7, 2007 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
creeker (anonymous) says...
First off, the only thing these two were confused about, was which way it was to the Navy base, and they only thing they were scared about was the fact they had BOMBS not fireworks in there car! To all of the people that are are saying they were racial profiled, lets look at one small FACT that you seem to leave out. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all of the terrorists are MUSLIM. Just because they are from Egypt doesn't mean they are not Muslim either, there are many Catholics living in England!
August 7, 2007 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
asrock73 (anonymous) says...
These got caught with something they should not have had, they will be given a fair trail and if convicted they will be punished. Now if through investigation sometihng is found that links them to terroist's then they should be treated as such. Right now they are just somebody who screwed up.
As for people of middle eastern decent getting more attention than other people, of course we are at war with them. This PC crap has got to end, but at the same time we can not convict everyone from the Middle East as terrorist, they just need to be checked better than most. It a fact of life when your country is at war. I have nothing against them unless they intend to harm me, or my country, but at the same time I have enough sense to know that becaus eof thier back ground there is a high chance of them wishinng harm and they need to be checked. I am not saying round them up and put them in camps, but do through background checks. If they are clean then they are welcome, if not then they are sabotures during a time of war and should be treated as such.
Terrorist are a cult VERSION of the islamic religion, and they will stop at nothing to achieve thier sick and demented goals. I am not saying the Islam as a whole is sick, just the terrorist vision of it.
August 7, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Father of 3.... I am going to psycically predict that a gang of black, white and mexican inmates are going to put their differences aside long enough to take these boys behind the woodshed for a good old fashioned whoopin' !!! Two blocks down the street from the jail is a small Muslim mosque....which just had to be repaired and the windows covered over with brick and stucco because some locals opened fire on it not long ago. Trust me.....those smiles won't be on their faces for long !!!!
August 7, 2007 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
getorphan3 (anonymous) says...
Check out the 5 dancing Israeli story filming the collapse of WTC towers first reported on Fox News in late 2001. There have been quite a number of events like this over the past several years. Often it turns out to be Mossad agents attempting to create another false flag event like the USS Liberty etc. There is lot to this story that does not hold together. Is it fireworks or a pipe bomb? Why didn't the police have a chance to ask why they were there? Could this be part of the cover story for the upcoming bombing of DC which the rule elite has been planning for years???
August 7, 2007 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Take a look at the user name profiles of these folks who are trying to minimize the significants of this event - most of them registered yesterday or today. Who are they - missguided lefties or Islamic wolves.
August 7, 2007 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisWesaMoves (anonymous) says...
Hmmm...let's see...2 men of Middle Eastern origin, driving with pipe bombs in their vehicle in close proximity to the Navy Brig AND the Naval Weapons Station? And they are students of a university in Florida, one who has been here for awhile, and they're "confused"!? I just don't buy it. Good job Berkeley County "lawdogs"! Keep up the vigilent work to guard our beautiful Low country against potential harm!
August 7, 2007 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
This is such an unfortunate circumstance we as Americans have to somehow resolve. I hope there is a thorough investigation of the laptop and all the other evidence gathered because it would be a shame for any more tragedy at the hands of over zealous Islamic. As a person trying to see the big picture, I must point this out as well. It would also be a tragedy if these boys are innocent but convicted of this serious crime due to their circumstance of being Egyptian. Let's not look at this thing in a vacuum. What many seem to ignore is that you can't look at the last 10 years of world history and say to your self why do some brown people have a problem with this country's and countries like ours foreign policy. What I wish you all would do is take an unbiased look at history from various points of views of the Abrahamic religions starting at its inception; this would require a lesson in not only Middle Eastern history but the history of Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan and neighboring countries. These people are all very closely related ironically and fight like brothers and sisters. This angle has been exploited for hundreds of years. (Seldom mentioned fact, Eurocentric governments supported Muslims in the overthrowing of a Jewish run Ethiopia hundreds of years ago. Now the Muslim descendants are the enemy. This is also known as Karma to some people. This seems to be a common problem or scenario that repeats itself throughout history with Eurocentric countries supporting any regime that supports the agenda at hand which generally seems to be the exploitation of other countries. This makes many rich initially but it also disenfranchises many people) Study colonialism with an unbiased heart and try to follow the dollar as the politicians say and you will realized that the brown people of the world feel that they have received the short end of the stick one too many times. You will also realize that our foreign policy workings since this country has existed are more complicated than a Shakespearean plot, far more complicated than anyone could explain in this commentary, but certainly lead by the all mighty dollar that pimps the world for the benefit of only a few. I just hope we can fix this before it is too late. We must look the truth in the eye and change otherwise who knows what the future will hold. The US will be just another dominate culture among the long list of those that have come and gone before it with the Wealthy Minority living to pimp another day.
August 7, 2007 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
blondjes (anonymous) says...
let's see 2 middle eastern guys, one's name is muhamed plus explosives in their car??? how dare the police arrest them, people like that never do such things!
August 7, 2007 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
native1 (anonymous) says...
Either way, it shows poor judgement, whoever you are (or where you are from), to drive around with "not just run of the mill fireworks" in your trunk. Common sense.
August 7, 2007 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
the pipe bombs can be used as detonators for the other mix of ingredients one can buy at wallyworld... ponder what else was in that trunk my fellow Americans, it will all come out soon I suppose...
the damage wouldn't be caused by the small pipe bombs but rather by the mix of other things that can really do a very large amount of damage anywhere one chooses
I'm guessing the excuse for the closed laptop will be they were wifi mapquesting to wallyworld and got turned around, that's how they ended up at a wallyworld way out of the way
on the other side of the coin, as peacenlove1 would mention, "rednecks" have been making small explosives like this for decades to go out in the woods and see how high they can blow an old log or something just for fun
so was this just some kids going astray or were they really up to something? the big flag that gets raised from me is the CAIR people stepping in to try to "protect" them
CAIR as we all know has been implicated in funding terrorism over seas several times, Hamas etc... that really makes one stop and think
hold them as long as you need to find out what they were really doing for sure... I wouldn't start pulling toe nails yet though, try water first... lol ... just kidding!
August 7, 2007 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
norv (anonymous) says...
"An affidavit from the Berkeley County Sheriff's Office said officers from the bomb squad determined that pipe bombs were in the trunk."
"An FBI spokesman said the two are not suspected of being part of a terrorist plot."
"Mohamed asked for a chance to speak at Monday's bond hearing and said he was carrying fireworks in the trunk."
OK, when Larry, Moe, and Curley are through with their investigation, it would be nice to know the REAL FACTS!
August 7, 2007 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
BOTTOM LINE IS...
EVERYONE should find out if this is a case of a dangerous crime being committed or if it's a few local authorities over reacting.
AND NO ONE has answered my original question of what EXACTLY was in the trunk... because none of you know.
I BELIEVE in Racial Profiling, you don't make the 80 year little white, black, pink or purple old woman take her shoes off at the airport. IF these two guys can be found guilty of wanting to kill American Citizens with their "pipe bombs", I would be the first in line to volunteer to pull the switch on them.
But if you have put your law enforcement officers in a place so high that you don't think they can't overreact... I just point to our infamous Goose Creek PD and how they treated 15, 16 & 17 year old children at one of our local high schools with gun drawn. The end does not always jusify the means.
And yes I do know a little about explosive devices, I have them in my home... better known as shotgun shells, firecrackers, propane and gasoline tanks.
And thanks to the ignorant posters who do not even know who I am and are now say "I" must be involved, your posts make my point of how out of control this knee-jerk reaction has become.
August 7, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
markheim (anonymous) says...
I have to agree with MarineMomx2, what were these two doing way off course in Goose Creek. Not really the way you would drive to get to the destination they had. With the price of gas now, most normal people would take the easiest and quickest route. Especially if you were on vacation. We have seen in the news about the trial runs that are taking place in airports, this could be one of them. We need to understand, that an ounce of prevention is.....
August 7, 2007 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msn2it (anonymous) says...
There are alot of unanswered questions that we don't know. I believe that I read in the paper that they were headed to the beach??? However, Goose Creek is not close to the beaches in Charleston, but the Naval Brig is. If they lived in Florida, why come to Charleston to celebrate at the beach? Florida beaches are far better than SC beaches, one would think. It was stated in the paper that they said they had "fireworks". Fireworks are prohibited at the beach. It was also stated that these boys were naive. For one thing, they are not boys, they are grown men. It doesn't matter what race, creed, religion they are. What they did looks suspicious in this day and time. The whole world seems to be going in the direction of not having to face up to any wrong doings. Some kind of excuse is always the way to get around owning up to your own responsibility as a human being. The bible teaches us otherwise, yet the bible and God are continuously being taken out of society for fear that you will step on someone's toes. Why don't we just get rid of all laws, give these "boys" their "toys" back and go on with life. Is that where we are headed today???? People just don't get the whole picture of what is happening in our world today. You better get on the right path, or you will regret it some day.
August 7, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
Father3 some do know what was in that trunk but aren't allowed to say because the investigation is still on going... so there are some intelligent synopsis being thought out...
August 7, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Lets go over the real facts again, for those who haven't had their coffee yet.
The REAL FACTS ARE:
1. They DID have pipe bombs
2. It's not a terrorist plot, as in they don't appear to have a stretegic plan in place which shows they have premeditated bombing someone or something as a terrorist act. They may have had a personal motive to do something but we may never find out. People don't make pipe bombs and transport them across state lines for no reason. They were up to SOMETHING.
3. Muhamed is a liar, and knows darn well what he had in the trunk but in an effort to create the appearance of innocence he is going to claim they were fireworks.
They WILL be sentenced, folks !! Pipe bombs are illegal, which is why they were charged with felony posession. And for anyone who has a problem with the cops using robots to investigate the trunk, why don't you volunteer to go detonate the bombs next time around.
Use your brains folks and quit digging for more dirt. The facts are clear as day to those who don't have their eyes closed.
August 7, 2007 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
singleroni (anonymous) says...
the rise and fall of the Roman empire. Are we not headed the same way?
Seems like we are following history very close. When too many special interest groups start dictating the will of the mass then there is turmoil. Isnt that what is happening to our country now. We offend some minority group no matter what happens and the politicians are reacting to the screams of the minority groups. Glad the Mexicans are coming, soon we will be the minority and maybe somebody will pay attention to us. The silent majority just doesnt say anything and gets run over all the time.When will the majority make a stand ? Hopefully next election in 2008 we will say something in SC and people like Graham will hear us!
August 7, 2007 at 11:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JonWithnal (anonymous) says...
Middle eastern engineering students from Fla. traveling with explosives? All we need now is to find out they took some flight lessons. Enjoy your time in our county jail. I am glad they were pulled over.
August 7, 2007 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jim38 (anonymous) says...
A few things just don't add up here.
"Their attorney, Dennis Rhoad of Charleston, said he had not had a chance to ask them why they were in Goose Creek."
o Yeah Right!
"The leader of a Muslim advocacy group who has been talking with Megahed's family said the two were heading to North Carolina to celebrate Mohamed's birthday, which was Sunday."
o Sure, Hwy 176 in Goose Creek is right on the way to NC from Florida.
Do these people think we are stupid?????
August 7, 2007 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tc (anonymous) says...
"AND NO ONE has answered my original question of what EXACTLY was in the trunk... because none of you know."
The magistrate that set bail knows exactly what was in that trunk.........
August 7, 2007 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
markheim (anonymous) says...
What does it matter 'exactly' what was in the trunk. Explosives should raise a red flag. Also them being way off course near the Weapons station. Did it matter what 'exactly' was in the planes on 9/11.
August 7, 2007 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
I agree with a lot of you. Ideally terrorism is wrong.. I just wish the the American public would demand the treatment of the symptoms of terrorism as well as our diseased foreign policy that is dictated by the agenda of the wealthy since this country has existed.. Why should all suffer for an agendas that only truely supports the wealthy? How have we benifited from the UNs actions in the 50's? Who can even begin to sort out what land over there belongs to whom, certainly not a country that did not even exists a fraction of the time that there has been land disputes in the Middle East. Think about it.. These decisions have not made very many friends over there but have made a small minority of people rich. Fix our foreign policy from being dictated by lobbyists and those with money and the other issues will resolve themselves over time.
August 7, 2007 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
I think MinoritySouth needs close watching
August 7, 2007 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
I think everyone needs close watching especially those who control our politicians with their money. LOL Watch me while, special interest groups with lots of money suck this country dry. An aside, I served in this nation's infantry under the Big Red One for six years as a mortar operator. What have you done for this country Neposet?
August 7, 2007 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
minoritysouth
You and your cell mates are a special interest group and it is not good for this country. Big Red One?
August 7, 2007 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
Maybe if they were walking like an egyptian this wouldn't have happened. They were driving while brown. That's all it was. Speeding my ass. And I can't tell you how many times friends of mine in high school got busted with pipe bombs and the cops let them off with warnings. But then again, my friends were predominantly white.
August 7, 2007 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
You people scare me more than these two men,
"Yup! Good goin boys... we've done catched us some honust to goodness terrurists! hell with a triul... let's rope em up thare in that thur oak and show those towel heads who's boss!"
I know a hell of a lot more about explosives proven by the tripe and lack of common sense that's been posted here.
First and foremost... The FBI would NOT have turned this case back over to the local sheriff IF they could have gotten ANYTHING from this story. This would have been a national story with non-stop coverage if the FBI or Homeland Security could have shown how they thwarted another terrorist attempt! They would have been all over this like lawyers at a car wreck.
Second... IF this was a true "Pipe Bomb" the BATF would have these two men in custody RIGHT NOW. They would NOT be sitting in Berkeley County.
Third... If I take the guts from a sky rocket, seal it in a PVC pipe from Lowes THATS A PIPE BOMB! BUT... your'e NOT going to blow up the Navel Weapons Station with something like that.
For crying out load, take a breath... being vigilant is investigating what really happened and seeing justice is served. Paranoid is taking limited facts and coming up with all sorts of "They had to be..."
August 7, 2007 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
Neponset, you are beginning to get cryptic. Say what you mean and mean what you say. In other words grow a spine. I am not in a cell. I am in a cubicle and those people around me are other workers. LOL
August 7, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
markheim (anonymous) says...
So why were these 'poor boys' here in Goose Creek. No where near the destination stated. Whether they had small pipe bombs or something larger, they were up to no good. Way of course.
August 7, 2007 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Maybe they planned on sticking them in the mailboxes of people they don't like once they got up to NC. Who the heck knows !?!? Regardless, it's a felony to have them because they CAN be used to do devastating harm to someone. The FBI has bigger fish to fry so they will be dealt with locally since this is where they got busted. Because the FBI isn't involved doesn't mean there is come conspiracy, it means they are not terrorists, just like they said.
Quit beating a dead horse. It's dead for crying out loud !!!
August 7, 2007 at 1:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
greyrider (anonymous) says...
Innocent till proven guilty should apply to everyone, but sometimes the severity of the crime warrants NO BOND, which it should have in this case. And let's not forget the recent polls in which 25% of young Muslims here in America CONDONED the use of violence to "defend" their religion. Racial profiling would be if these men were stopped and arrested with no evidence other than their race. But PIPE BOMBS in the trunk??!! Sorry, no racial profiling here. Thank God for this kind of law enforcement work!
August 7, 2007 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
I imagine that the pipe bombs were only to be used within the confines of the dictates of their religion. Not to worry.
August 7, 2007 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! That's all I have to say about this. Oh, and PFFFFFFFFT.
August 7, 2007 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
captivated (anonymous) says...
I agree, to some extent, with MinoritySouth. Our past capitalistic endeavors in the middle east have only served to make a few select people wealthy and a whole lot of middle easterners irate to a homicidal degree with all of us. The circumstances surrounding this incident are very suspicious, and with 9/11 and the CIVIL war in Iraq, we need to be very cautious and vigilant. The two Egyptians need to be investigated all the way down to where they buy their shorts!
August 7, 2007 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chili (anonymous) says...
father_of_3--gasoline and propane are not explosives. Gasoline is a flammable liquid and propane is a compressed flammable gas. Small arms ammunition is considered a small explosive, howver.
Pipe bombs can be used as an igniter or ignition source for a larger device.
Wal-Mart does not sell traditional explosives (i.e. TNT, .etc) but there are a bunch of other chemicals that can be combined to make a bomb. They could have bought the stuff at Wal-Mart here, enroute to North Carolina for testing. It's possible
August 7, 2007 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
As someone said earlier, a small pipe bomb can be used as a detonator for a large bomb (I don't know if this is possible, but it sounds right) such as a fuel oil fertilizer mix. Hey minoritysouth: sounds like you are using "the best defense is a good offense".
August 7, 2007 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Just a thought for those who are so ignorant to think that pipe bombs aren't a big deal. Remember how a terrorist plot to blow the gas lines running to JFK Airport was recently thwarted? Two idiots capable of following directions found on the internet could accomplish what the others didn't if they so desired. One pipe bomb used wisely could cause a huge catastrophy.
August 7, 2007 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
As an example to the Muslim world demonstrating what this and other countries would be like if they do ever have their way and are able to impose Shiite law here:
Forgo any type of trial or legal due process, videotape the beheadings of both suspects, then sell tickets at the IMAX.
ATTENTION ALL MUSLIMS: STAY OUT OF SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!!
August 7, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
If it walks like an Egyptian and talks like an Egyptian, it
probably is a...
Muslim Terrorist.
August 7, 2007 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
Here is a suggestion for all you sympathizers out there:
Fly to any middle eastern city, rent a car, throw some bottle rockets in the trunk, drive 20 miles faster than everyone else on the road...and see how long you live.
August 7, 2007 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
Oh yeah, just before they slice off your head, burn your body and string it up on a bridge...make sure you tell them you are a student.
August 7, 2007 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pas967 (anonymous) says...
Their attorney says they're "confused and scared". My question is "why"? Anyone of their nationality who would travel with "pipe bombs" in the trunk of their car, speeding through an area that makes no sense to be in as the quickest way to wherever in NC they were going (IF they were going to NC),be caught near the old Navy base, and who just happen to be "students" in Florida, ASKED to be scared!! Wasn't it "students" who got their training in Florida who were responsible for the disaster of 9/11, lest we all forget?? It seems too many are losing sight of what is happening here, folks. It does NOT matter how small or of what materials these "bombs" consists, the fact is they DO exist! Is it legal to have ANY type home-made bomb? Can they do damage? Who NEEDS such bombs (fire crackers as some of you want to dismiss it as) for a birthday celebration? "Why" shouldn't these two be investigated since they got caught at whatever it was they were trying to accomplish? This nation let its guard down and looked the other way far too many times prior to 9/11 and look what happened to us! Whatever the measures we need to do to protect OUR nation, should NOT be minimised in any way or by any means!
August 7, 2007 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kennyt (anonymous) says...
Come on you people don't you make pipe bombs every fourth of July for fireworks and they where taking a short cut through Goose Creek to get to North Carolina, or maybe pipe bombs are a muslim family tradition or they just got lost on there way to the bridge to set off the fireworks. NOT!
August 7, 2007 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msn2it (anonymous) says...
Hey Guys. Remember this guy? Hmmm.... let's say that this is just a coincidence and give the boys back their fireworks and let them go home!
MIAMI - The defense rested its case Tuesday in the trial of Jose Padilla and two other men charged with supporting terrorism, with Padilla's lawyers calling no witnesses or putting on any evidence.
The defense action, coming on day 53 of the trial, clears the way for prosecutors to put on rebuttal witnesses in advance of closing arguments next week from both sides. Jurors could begin deliberations next week as well.
Padilla, 36, is accused along with Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, both 45, of participating in a support network for Islamic extremist groups around the world. They face life in prison if convicted on all charges.
Padilla, a U.S. citizen, was held for 3 1/2 years as an enemy combatant after his 2002 arrest on suspicion of plotting with Al-Qaeda to blow up a radioactive "dirty bomb" in a major U.S. city. Those allegations are not part of the Miami case, to which Padilla was added in late 2005 amid a legal clash over President Bush's authority to continue holding him without charge.
The main piece of evidence against Padilla is a "mujahedeen data form" prosecutors say he filled out in 2000 to attend an Al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. The form, found in late 2001 by the CIA along with dozens of others, bears Padilla's fingerprints, the government says.
However, Padilla's voice is barely heard on the thousands of FBI wiretap intercepts collected during an investigation of Hassoun, Jayyousi and others from 1993 to 2001. Prosecutors say those intercepts show a conspiracy among the men to assist Al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups in places like Chechnya, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Somalia and Lebanon.
The ultimate goal, according to the prosecution, was to use violence to establish governments following a strict interpretation of Islamic law.
The defense countered that the aim was to provide humanitarian assistance to oppressed and persecuted Muslims in these conflict zones, or at most to help legitimate fighters defend against invading military forces. Defense lawyers also say prosecutors have failed to link their clients directly to any specific acts of violence.
Although Padilla is the star defendant, his involvement in the conspiracy prosecutors have described appeared to be minimal. His lawyers say he decided to move to Egypt and travel to Pakistan in the late 1990s to further his studies of Arabic and Islam with the intent of becoming an imam.
U.S. officials say Padilla admitted a much deeper involvement with Al-Qaeda - including exploring the "dirty bomb" plot - during his incarceration in a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. But none of that evidence could be used at trial because he was interrogated without being advised of his legal rights and because he had no access to a lawyer.
August 7, 2007 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Hey msn2it!
You put me to sleep - give us your story in ten words or less - are you pro Padilla or what!
August 7, 2007 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
I will say this. I have nothing against my Muslim brothers, unlike some of these posting. Well, until they start riding around town with illegal explosives. This incident SHOULD be thoroughly investigated.. People don't forget about the big picture while dealing with the issue at hand. On both sides of this "War on Terror" people are being taken advantage. I don't think that America is alone with the financial corruption that has lead us down this path of international resentment. It is a two sided coin. These guys (terrorist) obviously have some serious leadership issues as well and I am willing to bet if you follow the money the picture will become clearer for everyone as to who is really to gain from this "mell of a hess". We are all stuck on this rock together and it is not getting any bigger. Better try to get along. I hate to think of the other alternatives.
August 7, 2007 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
redtop68 (anonymous) says...
M & M's = Muslims and Mexicans - DEPORT THEM ALL!!
Oh, the "poor college students" - that's the only way they get VISAS - I wonder if anyone checked up on them to see if they have actually attended any classes - let's get real - the only way those pigs can come in easily is to pretend to attend one of our schools and our idiot government makes it plenty easy for them to do so! I bet CAIR is all over it~!
Check out debbieschlussel.com, anti-cair.com, and start calling your reps, senators and STOP ALL VISAS FOR MUSLIMS!
August 7, 2007 at 3:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Yes minoritysouth, we are starting to get the "Big Picture".
August 7, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
Hey Chili,
First I said "explosive devices" and if you don't think a tank of propane or a can of gas is an explosive device then you just don't know much about air-fuel bombs and getting the ratio just right.
I actually started laughing when you referred to small arms ammunition as a "small explosive". The definition between small and large is a relative subject.
No one who knows squat about explosives is going to use a pipe bomb to detonate a "larger device". First off you you need detonation for for your "large device" and NOT an "igniter" or "ignition source".
While it's technically possible to build a homemade bomb, when you start messing around with aluminum powder, carbon tetrachloride, tetrachloroethlene and the like, most people end up wishing they had never touched the stuff!
Oh, one final question... when did Wally World stop selling Trinitrotoluene (TNT) and other "traditional" explosives? Man, I am so bummed!
August 7, 2007 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Ok boys and girls, lets do a little profiling on the comments of these folks who minimize the importance of "two boys and a pipe bomb", use a lot of slurs about Jews, talk about racial profiling, put down southern law enforcement, put down southerners etc. One common trait is they are long winded, hard to follow and hard to check their statements. Lets make a rule to not read any comment that goes on and on. Lets impose a 30 word rule.
August 7, 2007 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tektonos (anonymous) says...
Most of you will love the site listed below. Finally a place where conservatives can post videos and pictures and have rational discussions (like this one here)without too much interference from dems.
The first link is to a clip from the News 4 website about the arrest of these two. The others are just great, especially the tribute to 9/11.
Sorry, linking didn't seem to work in the preview, guess you'll just have to copy & paste the URL.
http://qubetv.tv/videos/detail/1757
News 4 report on Goose Creek 'Terrorists'
http://qubetv.tv/videos/detail/1599
A Tribute to 9/11 GREAT!
http://qubetv.tv/videos/detail/1566
Remake of 'Patton' Speech GREAT
http://www.qubetv.tv/
QubeTV.tv Home Page
August 7, 2007 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msn2it (anonymous) says...
The point that I am trying to make is this. We live in a society where there are some twisted people, be it black, white, muslim, pink, blue or whatever. There is not one of us who knows what these guys motive is, or if they even have one. However, when someone's back is to the wall, we will hear excuse after excuse. Because what do you think people do when they get caught with their pants down? Tell the truth or tell a lie? Our society sets us up for making excuses, because no one is liable for any of their actions anymore. Just read the paper!
I think that we would all have been spitting mad if the headlines read that these guys got caught with whatever it is that they had in their trunk and got a speeding ticket and went on their merry way.
Every one has an opinion.... some, just better than others!
August 7, 2007 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
IdolHanz, that is some interesting information. It just scares me to think that we are that judicially incompetent. I see all the inequities just as many do but what can we do about it??
August 7, 2007 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
Yes Neponset, this "War on Terror" has just become too darn wordy.. I think the answer to this issue can be certainly be solved in 30 words or less. Twenty-nine. Duh!!!!!!
August 7, 2007 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
Is Twenty-nine one word or two?
August 7, 2007 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kerry (anonymous) says...
Let's face it, this "incident" or "crises" will soon enough no longer be a headline story in even the local newspaper. No one will be mad or angry, much less able to do anything about terrorists, the war, immigration, government corruption, the way our tax money is being wasted, and so on.
The only thing I believe that will upset enough people in America to truly make a difference or bring about a change is if suddenly one day cell phones, iPods and the Internet all stopped working at the same time.
August 7, 2007 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
You people are just so anti-mooslim, they were only trying to practice their faith. Whatever happened to religious freedom?
August 7, 2007 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Sloggin, why not invite them over for dinner so they can practice their faith on you first? I never knew it was religious freedom to kill Americans.
August 7, 2007 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
These "students" did not appear to be upset, dazed or confussed to me. I wonder when they rented this car? Where were they going to in NC? Did they have reservations? What do they do with their "free-time" while not attending school? Why do you need "pipe bombs" for your birthday celebration?
I truly believe in equal rights for all, however, I also agree with abidding by the laws of our great nation (FOR ALL) Soooo...If you want to be here in America...Live within the laws of our society. I believe all should be able to practice their own choosen religon and beliefs...BUT...(once again)within the laws of our society.
August 7, 2007 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
According to the story, Ahmed Mohamed is claiming that he has no relatives here. OK, I'll bite. Why did his dart hit the map at the University of Florida. Now I'm not saying that he's lying, nor am I implying that a Professor at the same University who just HAPPENS to have the same name and who just HAPPENS to be from Egypt, and who just Happens to have come to the University within the last year also is connected, but I just have to ask. Is this guy affiliated with Ahmed Mohamed, the suspect?
http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/faculty/moham...
Since the Professor seems to have extensive background in mapping, according to his resume, I have to wonder what 'skills' the Civil Engineering 'student' Ahmed may have gleaned from the Professor, that is if they ever had contact at all. Just wonder if Ahmed Mohamed may have been downloading waypoints onto a laptop when he was stopped.
August 7, 2007 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MinoritySouth (anonymous) says...
scnative4ever, that was a funny movie. Ironically, these verses seem to apply. Matthew 19:30 "But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.
Matthew 20:16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last."
Luke 13:30, Etc. you get the picture.
August 7, 2007 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Whoami (anonymous) says...
Celebrating a birthday? Is any one here stupid enough to believe that? If so please.....just.....yeah! Also to you with the comment about if this were white kids from Mt. Pleasant, how many white guy terrorist do you know of? There country screwed that one up for them. Aside from that.....celebrating a birthday. Did any one bother to check if it was near his birthday? Or even close to it?
August 7, 2007 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
JeannieJoy...
It is an integral part of the mooslims religion to kill the kafir (us). Thus, if we are to practice religious freedom within the USA we must allow for our own destruction. In fact, as evidenced by the liberal left we are encouraging it as well as enabling it. I propose that we all just get in line for the chopping block and be done with it. Or the alternative is we convert and open burqka shops on every street corner.
August 7, 2007 at 5:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
As you can see, Islam is a very festive religion when allowed to be...
http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave
August 7, 2007 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
Wow, you people really assume a lot. I especially like JeannieJoy's 3rd "fact": that Muhamad is a liar, etc. That's a fact? Really? Isn't that what a jury does... make findings of fact? Or are you the jury?
Whoever suggested that this story would play out differently if it was 3 white kids from Mt. Pleasant is exactly right. I'm not saying these people are innocent, but there is a pretty alarming rush to judgment here. If this had been 3 kids from Mt. Pleasant, the story would have been spun as some kind of "prank." As in, "boys will be boys."
You all know it, but your knee-jerk reaction to Muslims is just too strong for reason to kick in.
August 7, 2007 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Whoami, Actually, it is my understanding that Ahmed Mohamed gave two different dates as his birthday. He's either 24 or 26. He also played the same game with his middle name. It's either Sherf or Sherif.
August 7, 2007 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
Tektonos: "Finally a place where conservatives can post videos and pictures and have rational discussions (like this one here)without too much interference from dems."
You're right, Tektonos. Nothing like a rational political discussion wherein one point of view is being expressed. You're a genius.
August 7, 2007 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
Islam means peace.
August 7, 2007 at 5:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
Really, IdolHanz? How many times have you been "burned" by Muslims compared to how many by the government? I would suspect the government has the lead there.
August 7, 2007 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
redtop68 (anonymous) says...
Any of you with children need to check out americancongressfortruth.com - see what the 7th graders in California and soon other states will have to learn re: Muslims! It's pretty scary how our government has sold America down the tubes. Check it out and pass it on!
August 7, 2007 at 5:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Ok you rag heads, I have been away from the computer for a while - what sort of mischief/disinfo are you up to now?
August 7, 2007 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
I suspect that they were only going to use the pipe bombs for fishing.
August 7, 2007 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
sloggin: "Islam means peace."
So what? If al-Qaeda had a flag that depicted a bright yellow smiley face, that wouldn't make one bit of a difference.
August 7, 2007 at 5:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Naked Yoga,
Rush to judgement?????? Huh..? Let's review. Two middle eastern men in their 20's (sorry for the profile, after 3000 Americans were slaughtered it's kind of second nature) decide their going to take a 'road trip'. Now these guys are supposedly educated fellows, engineers in fact, at a prestigious University. Some how they figure a trip from Tampa to North Carolina and back will cost them 30-40 dollars in gas. Is math a prerequisite for engineering students? So these fellows embark on their 'cost-concious' journey on their way to North Carolina but somehow find themselves way off the beaten path, a LONG way from 95 but real close to a Navy Installation, and an International Airport, and an Air Force Facility, oh and a Brig that houses enemy combatants.
So these wild and crazy guys are oblivious to their flawed navigation, otherwise they'd have said to the officers, "We're lost", instead of not being able to explain WHY or WHAT they were doing in the area.
Now these same two carefree fellows have some stuff in the trunk, some say a bomb, some say explosives, some say fireworks, some say ingredients for fireworks. I'm not a cop, but I bet I'd tell the difference between a bottle rocket and an IED, or the materials for one. But lets just say, for arguements sake, they were fireworks. We KNOW they weren't your traditional fireworks. We KNOW they were homemade, something ENTIRELY unneccasary in the state of South Carolina since fireworks there are LEGAL. It is also my understanding that they had containers of gas in the trunk, per Mr. Bedier, their prompt apologist from CAIR. Did I mention these fellows were engineering students? Hey, that reminds me, wasn't Mohammed Atta into engineering? Naked Yoga, we live in a world where we HAVE to assume the worst. Frankly, this story, at least for me has feathers, quacks, and waddles. The smart money is that it's a duck.
August 7, 2007 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
I've finally figured out why these postings have bothered me soooo much...
I'm the kind of guy who is the one who is usually defending America, in the early 80's (in my late teens) I was driving around with a "Bomb Iran" sign in my back window. I am the kind of guy that if someone was to assault my Mother, rape my wife or molest my 10 year old daughter... I would literally cut their throat is given the chance.
So stop beating your chest about how "American" you are and saying anyone with a question has their head in the sand. I was born right here in Charleston and while you may love this state and country as much as I do... I guarantee you do not love it more.
No... What really bothers me is all the "know-it-alls" that have it all figured out in their smug little world. I have not said or implied these guys were innocent, I have just questioned how so many people are so damned sure they are quilty.
I have asked questions that no one will answer, being told it "doesn't matter what was in the trunk". The hell it doesn't.
This is so scary because it's just like the witch hunts in the 1600's, if they turn out to be witches, burn them. But don't light the fire before you are sure.
August 7, 2007 at 5:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
Now now NakedYoga, you're not an islamophobe are you?...lol.
Islam is indeed peace, the religion of pieces.
August 7, 2007 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Looks like the rag heads are using the "good cop/bad cop" play
August 7, 2007 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Sloggin, are you drunk or just psychotic?
Idolhanz, I ALMOST made it through the day without insulting anyone. lol ;0
Personally, I prefer to throw these boys into the lake and let the gators take care of em'. Let their Allah save them then.
"What's that you said officer? I was just taking them to the lake to go fishing with the explosives Sloggin gave them. I have no idea how they ended up in the jaws of those gators....honest".
August 7, 2007 at 6:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
NakedYoga (anonymous) says...
Father of 3, thank you. That's exactly the way I feel. The "evidence" (if you can call it that) that we are hearing from the media seems to point that these guys were doing something very out of the ordinary. But then again, this is from minor media outlets, and this story is only a a couple of days old. I agree that it really looks like these guys were up to something. But there is no one among us who knows the full story yet. Let the American justice system operate. These guys are in custody; they're not going anywhere. We shouldn't let the fact that these guys are Muslim wash over their right to due process of law. And yes, I know there are other reasons besides their faith that got them arrested, but the knee-jerk reaction is still there.
I'm not a jihadist apologist, but one of the things that makes the United States great is our constitutional system of justice.
August 7, 2007 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Naked Yoga,
Don't get ME wrong. I think these Johnny Jihadis Should get a fair trial, then be shot.
August 7, 2007 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
JeannieJoy...
Or are you just too dumb to get sarcasm?
Damn, I ALMOST made it through the day without insulting anyone too...lol.
August 7, 2007 at 6:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloggin (anonymous) says...
Anyway, if those f'ers ever take over we're all gonna wish we were drunk or psychotic...lol.
August 7, 2007 at 6:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
sloggin
Every one has a cross to bear, but of course there are no crosses in the Islamic world.
August 7, 2007 at 6:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
Prior to the court appearance that everyone has seen, Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt said "there is a possibility the items were just fireworks" You can read the quote at TV4's website here:
http://www.wcbd.com/midatlantic/cbd/n...
Now the solicitor is calling them "Pipe Bombs". So much for the earlier argument that the officer (and Sheriff) surely knows the difference between fireworks and "something else". Doesn't seem that clear now does it. If it was so damn clear, why didn't they come right out and say they found "Pipe Bombs".
Facts are important, there is a HUGE difference between illegal fireworks and illegal Pipe Bombs.
August 7, 2007 at 6:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Well all I can say is if the police in South Carolina can't differentiate between fireworks and something more nefarious, you guys are in ig, big trouble. Make sure you always have one in the chamber but you have only yourself to depend on.
Personally I think they made the right call. Maybe it's the Feds who were caught with egg on their face who are downplaying it, it's happened that way before.
Mabe these guys were WORKING for the FEDS trying to infiltrate a cell and the local police upset the apple cart.
Either way, these guys weren't on a weekend birthday trip. It simply defies logic.!!!!!!
August 7, 2007 at 6:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishrose (anonymous) says...
i have to say i am very tired of all this crap if a white person did this or that they would get away with it THAT IS BULL if white people had white histroy month,white miss america,white united collage fund,white enternainment television,i could go on but the point is if white people did that it would be discrimination.instead of worrying about the color of these people how about worrying what they were doing so far from the beach with explosive's!!!!
August 7, 2007 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Idol Hanz,
They were engineering students at the UF, not some liberal arts major at a community college. Don'y sell them short with 'amateurish hooligans'. Besides, Ahmed has admitted to buying the MATERIALS at Wal Mart. Do they sell M-80s at Wall Mart?
August 7, 2007 at 6:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Neponset (anonymous) says...
Lets get this straight - rag heads/Arabs are white/caucasians. Don't let the color of their skin fool you - its hot and sunny out there and they have a rather dark tan.
August 7, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Idolhanz, when I went past the courthouse/jail complex about 5:30 pm news trucks were outside so there will most likely be an update tonight.
August 7, 2007 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JeannieJoy (anonymous) says...
Didn't the 911 guys also attend school in Florida? I know they learned how to fly a plane there. The spokesman for them is also located in Florida. Coincidence?
August 7, 2007 at 7:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
Good point JeannieJoy. Also thanks for the local updates.
August 7, 2007 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
norv (anonymous) says...
There was a Monkey in the trunk. It escaped, and now it is on the loose in the Creek! Trained Terrorist Monkey! Be afraid, very afraid.
August 7, 2007 at 7:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
norv (anonymous) says...
IdolHanz,
the next hearing is scheduled for August 10, 2012. In the meantime, watch out for that Monkey.
August 7, 2007 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zeldafitzg (anonymous) says...
Someone above wrote:
Do these people think we are stupid?????
The answer is yes---and many of us are---especially those who would even dream of making a Muslim-raised person the President of this nation.
August 7, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
carolinabeachgirl (anonymous) says...
I really would like to see the actual police reports and lab reports. I think these 2 are total dopes and probably don't have any friends other than each other.
August 7, 2007 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mon_Kie (anonymous) says...
We are very trusting and accepting as a country, and these traits have been used to cause us harm. There is no need to attack each other verbally, we need to be both united and vigilant.
August 7, 2007 at 7:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
carolinabeachgirl,
I agree...they are probably "total dopes" without friends...but...lets check out their affliations. I would do this with any person found with explosives in the trunk of their car.
I say protect us all...Americans,Middle-Eastern folks,US ALL!
August 7, 2007 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
norv (anonymous) says...
Police report:
Contents of trunk - 2 Roman Candles, 2 packs of Bottle Rockets, 1 Trunk Monkey.
Lab Tests:
Gunpowder residue, Monkey hair, banana peel
August 7, 2007 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
Well stated Mon_Kie!
August 7, 2007 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
OK, here are some facts to back up what I have been saying from the start.
If you go to the Tampa Bay (where these guys are from) Online Website( www.tbo.com ) and look up the local TV8 (WFLA) story you can watch the video of their coverage. At the end (2:50 of 3:11 minutes) you can listen to the direct quote I refer to below.
The following is a direct link to the video:
http://tbo.com/video/xml/MGBPAILH15F....
Here is the direct quote from the news video:
"An FBI Spokesman was quoted as saying "That the two students had materials to make what he considered to make some good sized homemade fireworks but not the kind of stuff that makes bombs." but today that same spokesman declined to speak to the Tampa Tribune referring all comments back to the South Carolina's Sheriff's Office."
Now that is a quote I believe to be true. Here you have a spokesman for the FBI who was on the scene or someone from the FBI who was there told him what was in that trunk. There's why the FBI turned things back over the Sheriff Dewitt. Why no comment today...law enforcement doesn't want the left hand making the right hand look stupid, so only they right hand is going to comment
Now "materials to make some good sized homemade fireworks" = illegal fireworks. (also = fine and/or jail) BUT that does NOT = PIPE BOMB!
Here... I offer all of you that were foaming at the mouth this napkin to wipe your froth.
Don't feel humiliated in the end when the truth comes out. Just go back and read some of your postings and realize that you have made the same mistake that the people who tried the Duke students before all the info came out.
August 7, 2007 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
You know what really scares me is the complacency of our society. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to live in a society of people who have so much trust in their neighbors, but really, to dismiss this incident as a couple of wayward kids is simply suicidal based on the events of our day. Many of you are in denial that we are at war.
Typically, we are not good judges of people when it comes to their potential as being criminals. We just weren't brought up that way. Look at just about every serial killer ever arrested and I'll show you a parade of people that give interviews to reporters of "What a quiet neighbor he was" or, "Gee, he always seemed so nice", Even Charles Manson made inroads to Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys.
We are up against an ideology that straps explosives to infants. We are up against an ideology that has no qualms about offering themselves up as cannon fodder for their suicidal missions to defat the infidel and claim their 72 virgins. This is a mindset we can't or refuse to wrap our minds around, Despite the evets of 911 we seem resigned to think somehow that it was just an abberation. I've seen this abberation play itself out since Black September launched their jihad on the Israeli Olympians in the 60, and it has gone alot longer that that, I can only speak for the events I've seen in my lifetime.
I am far more comfortable listening to people say,"I can't believe he's in jail, he seemed like such a nice kid", than the alternative. All of you that seem to think this is an over-reaction or some scare tactic by this administration just aren't comfortable with the reality that there are people out there who are hell bent on your destruction. Sorry for the dose of reality.
August 7, 2007 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
Father of 3,
I just watched the coverage on www.tbo.com. I came away feeling that the young men did not take the charges seriously as they appeared jovial in the courtroom. Either they really believed that they made "fireworks" for a celebration OR that they were going to walk TODAY. If they really are the nice, nieve guys that we have heard about they will be PLEASED that the SC Law Enforcement Teams and FBI are "PROTECTING" them and the community they serve.
August 7, 2007 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Father_of_3
I think the quote you cited is what you WANT to believe is true, as we all do.
I get the feeling there is ALOT more to this than meets the eye. I have a suspicion that Ahmed Mohamed is the key here. He claims no relations here. He is also the one that gave differing dates of birth and two different spellings for what he is SAYING is his middle name. He is the one being the least cooperative. His only moral support showed up in the form of CAIR. I think if you find his connection here, we'll find our answer. There is far too much cryptic information coming out of this for it to be a simple case of a couple of kids with a pack of "black cats".
August 7, 2007 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
poorboy (anonymous) says...
Pipe bomb, 2 Egyptians, going to NC via Goose Creek, = $800,000.00 BOND and a fee pass to jail!
Two bumbling idiots! If they're this stupid may be we just stopped some engineering disaster from happening in Egypt?! What did they think would happen if they got caught with that stuff in their trunk? And YES being from the middle east too, with those names! Morons I have no sympathy what so ever for them.
Quit giving GC police credit for this arrest, It was Berkeley County.
August 7, 2007 at 8:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
Well Said billyobog,
But I think you miss my point entirely. We do need to be vigilent, we do need to keep our eyes open, we need to hang terrorists in the public square (& I mean that literally).
But before we toss our freedoms (that MOST take for granted) out the window in the name of security we need to be darn sure of what we are doing. I cherish the freedom of not being searched without probable cause, I hold dear my freedom of being able to drive anywhere I please without being stopped for a legitimate reason and not just because someone has a badge. And I also hold dear the fact that IF I AM ever charged with anything that I will not have to PROVE I'm innocent but the government will have to prove my guilt. And there are many more examples...
I know more about explosives than 99% of the general population. (Keep in mind that 1% represents 3 million who know more) I can tell you from what I know and what has been reported it does NOT fly that these two men had true "Pipe Bombs".
There is a difference between perceived threats and real threats... Your'e right, the next 9/11 is coming, but they will slip thru the back door and hit us where we don't expect while everyone is wringing their hands over "fireworks".
August 7, 2007 at 8:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
Father of 3 makes this great statement: There is a difference between perceived threats and real threats... Your'e right, the next 9/11 is coming, but they will slip thru the back door and hit us where we don't expect while everyone is wringing their hands over "fireworks".
So, ponder this: These guys are perifferal to get attention and laugh in the face of law enforcement. While the attention is set on them other acts are taking place without too much notice. When were the last communications on the laptop and phone in their possession and to whom?
Could this is be the reason the FBI "backed away" from this situation?
August 7, 2007 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pas967 (anonymous) says...
Incredible!! So many comments and hang-ups on nationality, color of skin, religion, speculative motivation, whatever! Most of what I have read here is naivety to reality. It amazes me to think so much has been forgotten from the recent history of our Nation's dealings with terrorism. As a Nation, we can't afford to be so lax. This is happening on our soil, folks, As I said earlier,... there seems to be alot of coincidental findings being learned from where these so-called "students" came from, where they attend school (Florida), their mission, etc. It does NOT matter how small the "home-made bombs" were that were discovered in the trunk of that car, but that they WERE discovered! I for one, am greatful they were stopped for speeding and are now in the proper facility for investigating because of what was found. No one should be driving around with any type explosives in their car for any reason! I pray the judicial system will be just and that the "due process" will not be corrupted by prejudices of any kind, including liberal politicians. If what I've been reading is what we are as a society, we've lost sight of what America is and what we need to do to protect it. It wouldn't hurt as a Nation to turn back to the founding precepts of PRAYER and ask for guidance from the Almighty who created us all.
August 7, 2007 at 9:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hawneena (anonymous) says...
Grits, that is a very scary thought. I think you might have been the only one to point this out. Good job!
August 7, 2007 at 9:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rl79 (anonymous) says...
First of all, can some of you please learn how to spell? Also, how can you make assumptions if you don't know all the details. Yes, it was dumb move as a Middle Easterner to speed through conservative South Carolina with "pipe-bombs or home made fire-works" in the trunk (after recent terrorist attacks!) and especially if you were just "really" going to celebrate in NC. I'm sure the truth will come out very soon. The laptop is sure to help out one of the sides in this story. Why are the local officials back on the case- if they are terrorists? I see racism and hatred throughout these comments, how are various countries and cultures supposed to get along if Americans can't? One last question, aren't most of us descendents of immigrants as well? GOD BLESS AMERICA!
August 7, 2007 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
I appreciate the information that IdolHanz has provided for us all. He is very well informed.
I, for one, thank him for your attention to deal and for your years of service to our great nation.
August 7, 2007 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
billyoblog (anonymous) says...
Father_of_3
What's your take on this one? Note the reference to "oxygen containers"
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local...
August 7, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
Posted by IdolHanz on August 7, 2007 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There should have never been a 911.
________
ditto IdolHanz
and to think one of the masterminds of the '93 trade center bombing has set up house right here in good ole S.C ... islamville http://www.holyislamvillesc.org/
you want to really raise the hair on your back read up on this guy El-Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani
it's past time to close our gates people, and stop putting up with our own governments incompetence... I just don't what can be done, it seems we're too far over the edge sometimes
August 7, 2007 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
rl
Sorry about the SPELLING ERRORS.
Why is the FBI investigating in Florida if they have no interest in this case?
August 7, 2007 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GRITS (anonymous) says...
IdolHanz gives great attention to DETAIL that is. THANKS AGAIN.
August 7, 2007 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peacenlove1 (anonymous) says...
i think the heart of trrorism is in afganistan ,where all that mess started,they hurted and killed alot of muslim people in many arab countried ,like egypt ,algeria,saudia arabia... these people don't represent ISLAM OR MUSLIMS ,islam means peace they are strict people into politics more than relagion ,and i never me or my family or friends ever heared about alquida exept after 9/11 ,i hope usa and the whole world east and west and middle east succed in finishing them,by the way i have a friend of mine police oficer got killed by terrorists in 1996 was his first year in the service was arab and muslim
August 7, 2007 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
don75 (anonymous) says...
two guys speeding ... with pipe bombs.. fireworks ect in trunk near an airport or naval base.. it does not matter their nationality... they should do time for stupidity...maybe the first comment should have been'' officer which way to 95 north.''...good going cops... rather be safe than dead.
August 7, 2007 at 11:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
billyoblog,
I read that same article while I was searching for news from Tampa Bay. It's like all the interviews with the "neighbors" either they say "He was such a nice or quiet or polite boy, I never thought he could have killed a 100 people" or it's the opposite "yea, he was a weirdo, I saw all sorts of strange things like aliens landing and mushroom clouds coming from the basement".
The neighbor also says the FBI told her that her prior neighbors were terrorists! I don't doubt or find a problem with the FBI telling her that. Think how you would react if the FBI showed up and said that to you. I really think it would be hard to keep your mind from running wild and speculating what the "terrorists" must have been up to.
I don't know about you, but my money is on what the FBI Spokesman said "That the two students had materials to make what he considered to make some good sized homemade fireworks but not the kind of stuff that makes bombs."
It's a lot easier to dismiss a "neighbor's" comments than to discount the comments of a FBI Spokesman.
August 7, 2007 at 11:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
Hey GRITS,
Why would you say...
"Why is the FBI investigating in Florida if they have no interest in this case?"
Yes there is an interest and they interviewed neighbors and got permission from family to search the house on Sunday.
It would have been incompetant for them not to follow up and investigate these men's backgrounds after being called in to aid in the investigation.
I am guessing you are making a reference to the FBI returning "control" back over to the BCSD on the night of the incident. But, hey... that kind of speaks for itself. ;)
Please point out who said the FBI had no interest in the case.
Thanks
August 8, 2007 at 12:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rl79 (anonymous) says...
they investigated here at first too... i dont think these guys would be in moncks corner if they were terrorists! can you say gitmo or a secure location?
August 8, 2007 at 12:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Father_of_3 (anonymous) says...
Here's an idea for all of you, it would be very patriotic AND it would add to the security of the MotherLand... Opps, I mean FatherLand... Darn, I mean "Homeland" Defense. (I thought we were a nation and they called it "National Defense". Homeland makes me want to call you "Comrade"!)
Privately (you can click on Father_of_3 above to send me an email) send me your name, address, telephone, who lives in your house, where you work, what you did today and are planning on doing tommorrow. Do this and I will monitor your daily life from time to time, not all the time, just some of the time.
Wait, you have nothing to hide so what's the problem? I PROMISE I'll never mis-use any information, I promise we will prove your guilt before announcing that you guilty.
Calm down, my ears are BURNING! I can hear you now, "you jerk, my private life is none of your business!"
Be very careful how much power you give to your government without checks & balances. Hitler rose to power with the will of the German People because he promised "his government" was the answer to all the problems of the people. The government will take all the power you give them, but the government rarely has the answers, the answers always lie with the people. Read your history books and no... Abraham Lincoln was not a civil rights leader in the 1960's. (for any of you people who graduated recently)
August 8, 2007 at 12:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
I wanted to comment to a very rude an hateful email I received from a member of the P&C's website. This person said that I was being very negative in this forum. And that maybe if MY family got blown up, I'd have a different opinion. Here are the facts that he had forgotten to gather before his very inappropriate response. I did lose a relative in the 9/11 attacks. Does this mean that I think all middle easterners deserve to be treated like criminals for the actions of SOME? Absolutely not. And since when did our judicial system change so that people are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT? Yes I know they say these guys were speeding, and that they had pipe bombs. They got taken down to the station and put on trial because they had pipe bombs, yes, but this matter is being blown up nationally BECAUSE they are of a middle eastern decent. Who read the article about the boy from Virginia, I think it was, that had a bomb. I think the article said he's getting either 10 or less than 10 years. I bet he goes up for parole in a few years. All I have been saying is that these guys are being treated MORE harshly because of the actions of people in the past. Stereotyping and racial profiling are morally wrong. Unless there has been an incident, then that makes it ok. And please, no one else email me and talk about my family. That's more than wrong. On many levels.
August 8, 2007 at 7:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jammer (anonymous) says...
you people need to get off of the racial profiling crap, this isn't about them being mideastern... it's about the pipe bombs
I clearly remember a few yrs back when a little white boy put a pipe bomb in a mailbox half across the country and it was headline national news for two weeks
this incident with these guys hasn't made headline national news for more than a few hours at a time before it dropped down somewhere where you have to hunt to find it
it isn't "where they're from" or "what color their skin is", it's about riding around with pipe bombs in your trunk speeding through an area everyone from here knows better than to speed in... Goose Creek is where even the cops don't speed because they won't even give each other a break
I think everyone's blowing it up into anything they can for entertainments sake
it's merely about a couple of dummy's cruising too fast through the creek with pipe bombs in the trunk, it wouldn't matter what race or nationality they are from
I've seen the cops in the creek check many a trunk in white boy's cars... they don't deserve to NOT be checked because they look different do they???
time will tell all...
August 8, 2007 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bhippey (anonymous) says...
Why does this post look familiar?
August 8, 2007 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bigpappapump77 (anonymous) says...
I say "hell yeah" to racial profiling...
August 8, 2007 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bigpappapump77 (anonymous) says...
At least these "alleged terrorist" don't have to worry about having their heads sawed off by a masked American shouting "glory to Alah" or whatever...they will get the usual plea deal... who knows how many years in prison suspended for compleation of 6 months probation, 48 hours of community service, or something of the like. It tells would-be terrorists two things about America: (1) our judicial system is spineless, and (2)there is no "real" penalty. We have a zero-tolerance law for underage alcohol drinking but max-tolerance for terrorist suspects. What a sham (no not "shame").
August 8, 2007 at 5:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
charlene68 (anonymous) says...
Also Goose Creek is along way from Florida... I think they were up to something. father _ of _3 said maybe they wanted a bigger bang, well that bigger bang got them in problems, so if they want a bigger bang,, they should have bought a shotgun dont ya think????? it so sucks to be them hahahahahahahahaha......
August 8, 2007 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Iwonder (anonymous) says...
According to the Tampa News The Family Flew in on Monday and retained a attorney for both. Also the family states that the men left Tampa around Midnight on Friday nite and no family members really knew the final destination now earlier didn't a family member say they were going to a beach in NC for a celebration of a birthday?
August 9, 2007 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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